Arrow "Birds of Prey" Review: Predators in the Darkness

Arrow S02E17: "Birds of Prey"

You always hurt the ones you love, even when—or especially when— you try to help them or protect them from themselves. Such was the case in "Birds of Prey," as many of Arrow's characters found themselves helping other people keep their worst impulses in check, for everybody's sake. 

The notion of worst impulses has been a recurring element of Arrow since the start of the series, as people's worst impulses are often brought on by—you guessed it!—some sort of trauma. The characters on this show give in to their impulses as a way of coping. They believe that putting arrows into someone would make you them better, that leveling a city with an earthquake machine will ease their guilt, that consuming pills and alcohol will make the pain go away, that they don't deserve to be anything other than a killer, that making a former friend suffer horribly will make up for their own suffering (and the loss of an eye). 

Oliver's attempt to be a hero to honor Tommy's memory has in turn been the stated core of Season 2. While his no-kill rule has been mostly followed—putting aside the Count, Russian prison guards, and an attempt on Slade's life—the real challenge for Oliver hasn't been to not kill people so much as it's been to help those around him not be shrouded in the guilt, darkness, and rage that affected him so profoundly in Season 1.


Helena's return to Starling City, and her subsequent hostage-taking of Laurel, put this into a great deal of relief. Helena is Oliver's biggest failure since he returned to Starling City—a woman who's hellbent on revenge for revenge's sake, instead of, as Oliver wanted, for justice's sake. Murky differences aside, as Arrow has always struggled to make heads or tails of these motivations, Oliver gave Helena the tools and some of the knowledge necessary to carry out her vendetta, and he is responsible for the lives she took, even if they were a bunch of mobsters.

Oliver's in a similar position now, a position he acknowledged in this episode. While he's steadily improving himself by using the "baby arrows," he's also trying to keep Roy and Sara from being consumed by their own personal darknesses, even if Sara has already devoured her up to her eyeballs. In Roy's case, it's keeping the mirakuru's rage-inducing aspects in check. Of course, it's not easy when something as mundane as someone bumping into you sets it off (I can understand getting all "ROY SMASH!" when someone puts a bullet through your hand though). Roy at least had the presence of mind to realize that he is a threat to Thea like this and figured out a way to end things with her to protect her. I also like that Thea, while broken up about it, is also aware that he's not doing it because he doesn't care about her, but that he's hiding something. Good for her.

While's Roy's problems are more chemical than psychological, Sara's darkness at least a more predictable and easier to manage. It's basically, "If you want to stop thinking of yourself as a killer, and therefore someone you think your family should love, you need to stop killing." Getting that through the skull of a highly-trained and guilt-ridden assassin isn't the easiest thing in the world, but Sara may be on her way.

The Lance sisters engaging in some bonding time may have been more useful for both of them than Oliver's lecturing and AA meetings, even if one of them didn't know she was helping the other one come to grips with inner-demons. It's by no means an uncommon situation in narratives with secret identities—though Sara seemed insistent on giving it all away—and like with Shakespeare's plays, hidden identities allow people to speak more freely to one another as strangers than as people who know one another. 

In Sara's case, Laurel's confession that she thinks Sara is strong and that she wants to show Sara that she's strong—and show herself that she's strong as well—is the kind of affirmation that a woman who thinks her only value is in killing people needs to hear. It's a little strained when Laurel yells at her that she's not a killer as she's about kill Helena, but the phrasing combined with Laurel's earlier words did their job, and stayed Sara's hand. It's a big moment for her, even if the show hasn't always played up Sara's ruthlessness since her return.

The Lian Yu flashbacks again privileged Sara, and it may be for the best the show gives these scenes over to Sara a bit more when appropriate. Like seeing Oliver as a barely-surviving rich boy contrasted with the vigilante in Season 1, we saw the start of the Sara that would go onto join the League of Assassins and question her self-worth as she gave up Hendriks to in an effort to save Oliver from Slade's torture. It's the start of that darkness creeping up her soul, and we getting to see it pushed back down by her time in Starling City.

Of course, the bonding time may not have been for the best thing for Laurel. On the one hand, Laurel's little heart-to-hearts with both Adam Donner and Helena demonstrated degrees of self-awareness that I think Laurel needed to voice for both her development as a character and for us as an audience. That Laurel acknowledged her problems showed that she's getting stuff out of the support group meetings, and that she has turned a corner in accepting her role in her predicaments and her emotions that got her there int he first place.

On the other hand, Laurel found some...let's call it confidence as she blackmailed DA Spencer into getting her job back in what was a pretty damn ridiculous scene right down to the DA admiring her for it doing. Laurel quoting Helena came off as equally silly since blackmailing the DA to keep your job isn't as dark as planning to kill your father and then taking hostages. Hell, it's not even as dark as turning a recovering addict into a bit of window dressing to help sell a sting operation so you can—for some totally unexplained reason—capture a murderer who has been out of the country for at least a year.  I'm glad Arrow is at least giving Laurel some agency, even if it's sort of at very mixed speeds, and through really dim-witted scenes.



FROM THE QUIVER

– "I was a frat boy." "I rest my case."

– "During the attack, unfortunately, I decapitated the engineer."

– "Oh, I think if the Huntress shows up, you should totally kick her ass." was a great enough line on its own, but Diggle's nod of agreement gave the scene that extra spin.

– Very crafty, Oliver, having Moira's picture as Quentin's caller ID photo.

– Fight cinematography and editing were decent if only because it wasn't cut to ribbons, but the shaky camera was distracting. If there was one shot I loved in the entire episode, it was the slow pan to the left side of the frame as Felicity told Oliver that Sara wasn't in the Arrow Cave. I appreciate a good cinematography expectation joke. Makes up for re-using that Sara reaction shot from "The Promise." 

– Also really liked the bit of sound design that bled the shriek of Sara's Canary Cry device into a noise that sounded a lot like a weather siren. At first I thought it was the building's fire alarm that was triggered, but it appeared to be non-diegetic. Neat stuff.

– Your DC Comics connections of the week! The title of this episode take from the comic series of the same name in which (originally) Barbara Gordon, Black Canary, and later Huntress and then a slew of other female heroes from the DC Universe fight crime and all that good stuff (the line-up has changed a bit since the New 52 relaunch). The series's most well-regarded run was written by Gail Simone who, of course, was named dropped in the episode as the location of the machine shop: Gail Street and Simone.

– Oh, and one more connection: Hugo Mannheim. It was a reference to the Superman gangster Bruno "Ugly" Mannheim, though why they just didn't call him Bruno is beyond me. Did Bruno have a son or something and I've just forgotten?


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Apr 01, 2014
I love it when Sara is around, she's so badass!
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Mar 31, 2014
Good episode! I'm always up for a catfight, and this episode didn't disappoint me. Aside all the philosophical digressions there was what I wanted to see.
I don't know if it was all part of Slade's revenge, but everything points to that. He offering a ride to Thea is a clear indication that he's ready to give Oliver a taste of Deathstroke, he's up to make clear to Oliver that he has nowhere to hide, no one can protect him and he can't protect anyone.
It will be a clash of titans this fight between Arrow and Deathstroke, they're going to level the city leaving to the new mayor (Oliver's dearest mom) the reconstruction. She will see (thanks to her friends of the League) that the biggest problem of Starling City is the vigilantes (speacially the Arrow), she will hunt him down making him look like the bad guy.
Oliver will start next season having to fight the entire city, a city set to destroy itself. As for Slade he will be saved by the League, so we can expect more of Deathstroke.
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Mar 30, 2014
"Hell, it's not even as dark as turning a recovering addict into a bit of window dressing to help sell a sting operation so you can—for some totally unexplained reason—capture a murderer who has been out of the country for at least a year."

I don't think there is no reason for it, I think there were some pretty strong hints that it was all a setup by Slade. He lured Bartenelli back to get Huntress back, and then uses Blood's influence to force the whole police thing and Dannon rehiring Laurel. It's a great recipe for Laurel ending up dead, it seems to me like the whole thing was a setup.
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Mar 30, 2014
I liked this episode but I want more felicity and diggle scenes!!!!! those little moments were awesome! and slade and thea!
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Mar 30, 2014
I like that they are "fixing" Laurel, I do hope that they keep it up.

Please use Diggle!! All he did was stand around! I hate that he is so underutilised!
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Mar 30, 2014
Whose Diggle? The black guy? I only watched the first three episodes of Arrow because he was just standing around looking stupid most of the time. I don't like shows with one dimensional minorities. Dexter certainly didnt suffer any such flaw.
Also Arrow's fight choreography was so labored and mechanical looking, I couldnt take it seriously.

I was gonna give Arrow another chance til I saw your comment and I'm sad to see things havent changed. I still want to like this show, but I'd rather watch ''War of the Damned'' again.
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Apr 05, 2014
Yeah, you LITERALLY just missed an episode where Diggle was the man character. Right before this one. And Diggle is such a popular character that he has been added to the DC comic book that Arrow is based on! That is pretty huge. I'm not a minority, but if I was, I don't think I would base my show watching decisions on things like that. I mean,when I was a kid they had token white characters on "Family Matters" every now and then (who were usually portrayed as idiots) but that didn't stop me from enjoying the show. I guess because I was thinking of the characters as people, not colors.
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Apr 05, 2014
I never watched family matters because it was too corny. Take a show like Banshee, its made by the creators of True Blood supposedly, I watched most of the first season because it was different, but it also had pretty bad fighting. the characters were interesting but their portrayal was unrealistic,. Their was only one episode I liked (the MMA episode) so I stopped watching it, yet people love the show. Game of thrones had almost no minorities in season one and killed off the main character and I'm still watching it because its good. If a show sucks, I wont watch it, if its good I will, even if it does have cardboard minorities. People seem to love Arrow, but I never did. Main character is too stoic, bad fighting, plus Colin Salmon is a damn wallfower too. I thought he'd be kickin ass. What a disappointment. I was gonna give it another shot because now "Crixus" is Deathstroke and I really liked Spartacus, so hopefully things have improved.
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May 11, 2014
You never watched Family Matters!!? You missed out on a great part of life.
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Mar 30, 2014
We just had a Diggle centric episode. Could there be more? Sure I'd like that too, he's a fun character, but there are plenty of characters (Moira, Roy) that we haven't had a main episode about in much longer.

Frankly, it feels to me like they want to set Diggle up for his own spin off. He's got his own villains, his own love interest, and an entire government agency that really only comes up in his plotlines. Have him run a Suicide Squad show with Mocking Bird, that would be so awesome.
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Mar 31, 2014
Felicity does all the tech stuff, Sara is the muscle, and Diggle only get's involved when Roy is "absent". So what is Diggle's role in the group context? The chauffeur?

Bojac6, I agree with you whole-heartedly, but your spin-off theory frightens me! I don't want him to leave! Then again if standing around is the alternative I could be talked around.
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Mar 31, 2014
Are you sure youre talking about the same show? You and Samantha seems to be sparring here.

She seems to see the same things I saw in season one.
I havent watched since then so I don't have much of an opinion but I was hoping to hear good things in coming here, so maybe I'll have another look.
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Mar 29, 2014
Manu Bennett is killing it as Slade Wilson, sure hope he doesn't get killed off at season's end.
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Mar 29, 2014
and now if only barbara gordon would visit starling city and take these 2 psycho chicks with her to the most criminally active city in the dc universe, gotham...
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Mar 29, 2014
Arrow is one of these shows that is technically brilliant and awesome but it is not due to 22 Episode scheduling. This show reduced to 13 Episodes would benefit the the network and the show in the long run.
Since this is not the case we are dealing with Laurel issues while we really don't care about this character.
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Mar 30, 2014
most shows would benefit from a short season, maybe 15-18 , 13 is too short, but I'm in total agreement about Laurel she needs to go!! which is sad because I'm a huge Katie Cassidy fan her talents are being wasted on ARROW!!
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Mar 29, 2014
Helena was great and far less annoying than Laurel or Sara. Felicity is still the top girl though. Sara was a hypocrite though about Oli's Ex though. She dated a lesbian ninja, lol.
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Mar 29, 2014
Noel, no groans about Oliver seeming to call Roy "Speedy" (and later explaining it as having been a reference to Thea), nor yucks about Roy hating the nickname? Thought you'd been waiting for this one since the Pilot. :)
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Mar 29, 2014
Something that just hit me again, when Helena commented on Sara's costume and how Ollie is costuming his women, I wondered if we were going to get any conversation about what she was saying, and the fact that it didn't go anywhere really left this episode short of an interesting avenue.
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Mar 29, 2014
It did reveal that Helena didn't follow Starling City news worth a hoot while she was gone though, as the Arrow had disappeared for six months, during which time the Canary showed up out of nowhere, already in costume.

Then there were those fishnets Laurel mentioned in Season One ....
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Mar 29, 2014
Her Google Alerts are strictly about her dad.
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Mar 28, 2014
I must admit, I admired Laurel for getting her job back through self-defence and blackmail. It's not like Laurel is using something personally embarrassing like addiction or a sex tape to get her way, she's using a misdeed perpetrated upon her to undo her woes.

In fact, I'd say Laurel was the centerpiece of this episode, I found the majority of the rest of the plot unengaging, and had Laurel not tried to insert herself back into the hostage situation once she was extricated, I would have given her all high marks.

Roy's story worked well too, for once, in part because there wasn't too much of it, and as you pointed out, everybody was thinking when engaging with it, especially Thea.

Hell, I can't even tell you what Ollie or Sara even wanted to achieve in this episode, and the island flashback was only a small taste of interesting things. The fighting looked bad due to really poor lighting and camera work, and the only visual standout scene I can remember is Diggle nodding his head in agreement (which it appears you also took as a standout).

Hmm, is this show going to connect Sara, Helena, and Felicity as its own Birds of Prey at some point?
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Mar 28, 2014
i had mixed feelings about this episode.

BTW how has detective Lance not figured out that Oliver is the arrow:
canary (who he knows is Sarah) became that way after coming back from the island she was on with Oliver.
not to mention the canary is always with the arrow and Sarah is always with Oliver since they are dating (if he hasn't figured out Sarah is the arrow, doesn't he even wonder whether Oliver is in on her secret identity).

then there is the huntress who fought alongside the arrow and everyone is aware dated Oliver!

it blows my mind that all this is out there and he doesn't even wonder who the arrow is or how Oliver is connected to these female 'heroes'...
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Mar 29, 2014
Everybody is aware of these facts, yet nobody figures out the Arrow's identity. It's because it's comic book logic.

For the same reason, Silve Age Lois Lane doesn't figure out Clark is Superman. And there's more, in a story she makes Clark wear a Superman suit, and even then doesn't recognize Clark Kent as Superman! And Superman calls her on the phone as Clark Kent, and Lois Lane has no doubts she's speaking to Clark, not supes. And the cherry on the cake: Bruce Wayne puts on Clarks glasses, wears his suit, and she still thinks it's Clark. So basically, anybody wearing those glasses would be mistaken for Clark. Lois was dumb, blind and retarded.
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Mar 29, 2014
You'll notice that Paul Blackthorne seems well aware of the ludicrousness of his character not knowing, and so does this little self-aware eye-twinkle/smirk at key moments, like the phone call.

My guess is that, like Jim Gordon once said about Batman's identity (in the "No Man's Land" story arc in the comics, and alluded to early in The Dark Knight Rises), it's not that he doesn't know or can't figure it out, but rather that Quentin doesn't want to officially know who the Arrow is, for both their sakes.

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Mar 29, 2014
I totally agree. He figured it out in season 1; hell Felicity is the obvious clue. He just doesn't want to confirm it.
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Mar 29, 2014
maybe they just think oliver queen just dates hot & bad ass women ? i mean h is a billionaire ceo in the day time...
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Mar 28, 2014
What to say about this episode. WOW I loved it it was fantastic. I just adore Sara and poor olillie no one listens. I'm so glad we finally saw the origin of Ollie's dragon tattoo and now I just feel all sad when ever I see it, that was such a master stock of sadness genius from slade. Now Thea didn't your mother ever teach don't go home with strangers, especially one with one eye.
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Mar 28, 2014
Oh and I just have to say this, I LOVE Team Arrow in its current incarnation. Let's hope they all get to live for many seasons to come.
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Mar 28, 2014
I really liked Laurel in the last couple of episodes, accepting her responsibility in her problems and finally trying to deal with them instead of pointing fingers, as well as reconciling with Sara did wonders for the character... however, I really hated that blackmail scene. Come on, Laurel. Is this really how you want to gain your good reputation back?
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Mar 28, 2014
Normally I have a lot to say about Arrow.. lately... ehh I'm just not feeling it. There's too much going on and we're losing screen time with main characters like Diggle and Felicity. Sure Diggle got star treatment in the Suicide Squad, but really the MVP was Deadshot in that episode. Diggle and Felicity are what makes the show work, but they keeping getting pushed back for the Lance sisters and Roy (seriously?).
The show needs to cut the crap and focus on what works.
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Mar 28, 2014
As a huge Birds of Prey fan, I had mixed feelings about this episode but I'll start with the positives. As always I liked seeing Canary and Arrow work together. I'm sensing some foreshadowing with everyone telling Sara to show some restraint. "I am what I need to be" says it all though and it's going to be a problem. But Laurel telling her she wasn't a killer was silly. Laurel doesn't know this woman at all.

I'm glad to see some tension on the new Team Arrow because I have no idea how they work together. That look Felicity and Diggle exchanged when Sara and Oliver were arguing said a lot. Since they haven't shown us how the team works (unlike the original Team Arrow) I'm going to assume they don't work well. There has to be time to build trust and they haven't had that. At this point, I expect it all to fall apart by the end of the season.

I'm glad to see consistency in Roy's rage and control issues (unlike Laurel's addiction.) I liked Thea's reaction to Roy saying they needed to break up. She's grown as a character and I liked that she knew he was somehow BSing her.

Laurel's talk with the Canary was probably the best writing I've seen for her character. She's consistently drawn the short straw this season when it comes to dialogue - cheesy speeches, unrealistic advice, etcetera. KC's overacting doesn't help. Keeping it simple - no tears, no dramatics - can be a lot more emotional.

I have hope they'll redeem Huntress now. I liked her talk with Oliver. I'm kind of sad that her secret identity is blown, though. The story behind Oliver's tattoo was unexpected. That's about the only thing I liked about the island. I feel like I'm trapped there with Oliver at this point. And the special ops guy targeting vigilantes - foreshadowing a S3 problem? They couldn't possibly fit it into this season.

A major dislike? They shouldn't have called this episode Birds of Prey because it wasn't. I hate that they made Huntress (a comic character I love) Oliver's psycho ex girlfriend and actually call her that. I also don't like that Oliver's slept with all of them (Laurel, Sara and Helena.) The show really needs to stop that. I'm tired of the female arcs being tied to Oliver in this way. It's detrimental to characterization because the writers don't handle it well.

There's way too much Lance stuff lately. Sidelining characters for a third of the season means you have too many players on the board. Arrow needs to work on balance. And does Oliver seriously not have a burner phone to use as the Arrow? What if he needs to give his number to Lance? I really need Lance to figure this out pronto.

Canary's costume is ridiculous. They've made her look like a dominatrix busting out of her bustier, and it's weird for a woman who's been vocal in her dislike of misogyny. I know this is the CW but come on.

When Laurel said that was her second AA meeting, I laughed. Seriously? So her profound turnaround and ability to hang out in bars giving relationship advice to Sara and Oliver was based on what? Silly me for assuming she'd been in meetings for at least a few weeks. And then the first thing she did was reach for a bottle when hiding in that office? Was this supposed to be funny? Worst addiction arc ever.

Donner has a buddy on the disciplinary committee so bye-bye investigation? My friend Aaron (a real lawyer) laughed when I told him this. To her credit Laurel looked baffled. I do not understand how returning her to the exact position she was in at the beginning of the season is hitting rock bottom. Basically, she's suffering no consequences. What was the point? But Donner faced consequences because his last name isn't Lance. What a joke.

Oliver must be crazy telling Roy to break up with Thea. Wasn't he her protection detail? Then Oliver let Thea leave alone when he should have been focusing on her for a change. Why? So he could spend time with Sara? How did that make any sense? His relationship tunnel vision is kind of infuriating - the one person he's shown serious concern for is Sara, and she's the one person who can handle herself. I kind of hope Slade beats some common sense into Oliver before the end of the season.

Oliver's whole reason for being at the courthouse was to protect Laurel. How did he lose her? Oh yeah - he ran across the room to save Helena's dad - forget Laurel apparently lol. And even if Sara was holding back, that fight between Canary and Huntress should have been one sided since Sara was trained by the LoA.

The end scene with Laurel and the DA was stupid. How did Spencer not know Donner rehired Laurel? She was at her desk at the DA's office and the press had enough time to catch the story. And unless we're going to see a villainish Laurel, her use of Helena's words made her look like a poser. I almost hope we see her go villain because that might be interesting. I don't really care about anything else she's doing.

The show continues to have problems - mainly that their plots are driving the characters at this point. And sure, you have that sometimes in every show, but it's becoming a real problem on Arrow. When producers have to start explaining plot points via Twitter and interviews, it's usually a bad sign. Fix it in the writer's room.
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Mar 29, 2014
I love and await your posts because you are always on point. I thought the story was mediocre at best, until I saw Oliver let Thea go so he could give his girlfriend a pep talk and go into kissy face. When it comes to the Lance women this is what Oliver does. He did this with Laurel and the team in Season 1. When the team needed him, he saw only Laurel. He is now doing it with Sara and everyone else is wallpaper. I feel like they are destroying his character. Sara and Laurel are worthless to me and I am sorry to say that I have not seen any improvement in KC's acting or in Laurel. I kept thinking, those heels are just totally impractical for a fight scene or as a lawyer.
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Mar 29, 2014
I'm hoping we're leading up to Oliver being brought low - his team is not as strong as he thinks it is, he's not doing enough to protect his family, etc. I wondered if this was to make Oliver feel guilty and give Roy a reason to be mad at Oliver. Still, it's bad writing because Oliver is repeating S1 mistakes IMO. And it's OOC - in one episode he realizes Slade will come after his family, but then he leaves Thea unprotected.

To be honest, I like Sara. I like her as Canary. I think we're leading up to her and Oliver having a falling out based on the way they're arguing over how to handle missions. I can even understand them sleeping together again because they're a lot alike and they understand each other. I just don't like the way it happened. In the past, Sara left with Oliver on the yacht after having words with Laurel. Then she slept with Oliver again after Laurel kicked her out and Oliver was upset with his mother. She and Oliver appeared to be repeating damaging past behavior. There was no setup (well, it was all shoved into one episode.) Then they went to the family dinner together, and shame on both of them for that. And in a very unfortunate move, Laurel was the only one who ended up apologizing. Then she gave out relationship advice to them. In a bar. Even though she's an addict who'd only been to one meeting.

All of this is unrealistic to me. Sisters with these kinds of problems wouldn't make up so easily. Sara should have apologized to Laurel at least once. All of this served to make me like Sara a little less on a personal level because these are not the actions of a good sister, which is unfortunate. And I feel sorry for Laurel because the writers have really made her their b**ch this season. I'm hoping there is a point to it all, and the writers didn't let the plots drive the characters like the Indy 500 for no good reason. Or worse - to satisfy comic canon.
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Mar 28, 2014
Unless they're planning to bring Helena back - I half expected Oliver to have handed her something -, her remorseful turn around seemed a tad too quick.
I'll say one thing for the writing of Laurel, they manage to piss me off consistently. Sarah should've at least said to her how exactly was she going to help, beyond getting re-caught?
Felicity's 'go get 'em girl' was funny but should've been seen at least in part as her jealousy for Helena and Oliver. It made me wonder, should Oliver and Sarah ever fall out, will she be so quick to side with another to kick Sarah's ass?
Good to see Paul Blackthorne get the final knockout punch and line with it at, and so not just be the cop who needs help.
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Mar 29, 2014
Felicity IS NOT jealous of Helena. Helena threatened her life, she hates Helena for that. Not for sleeping with Oliver. Pfft.
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Mar 29, 2014
Pfft indeed! My point was more to Sarah or maybe other females later on, possibly. However, when Oliver and Helena where knocking about earlier on, in particular, you're telling me you never saw the looks Felicity had on her face?! I'll raise your Pfft to a Tsk!
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Mar 29, 2014
Your reasoning is illogical unless you think Diggle is also jealous because he agreed that Helena needed to be taken out? Felicity wasn't around when Oliver dated Helena. Laurel and Tommy met her, but Felicity and Helena only met when Helena came after her. Felicity never showed jealousy towards McKenna. I think it's actually pretty demeaning to all the female characters to turn it into a cat fight over Oliver. Sara and Laurel have shown jealousy towards each other (past and present.) Shado showed a bit of jealousy/disappointment when she realized who Sara was. Maybe she feels some jealousy, but Felicity has always been kind to both Laurel and Sara regardless of whatever her own personal feelings might be. The Isabel situation was different - I read that as Felicity being disappointed with Oliver's choice since he knew he couldn't trust Isabel. The 'shipping on this show is starting to get ridiculous. Regardless of who people 'ship, I wish they wouldn't use it as an excuse to tear down the other female characters and search for reasons to throw shade at them. Even Laurel doesn't deserve that because I feel she's been seriously dumped on this season (and I'm not even a fan.) I like Sara too, but she's far from perfect. You don't have to vilify the other female characters to support one you like, you know?
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Mar 29, 2014
Woah there. You're obviously carrying some pent up anger there toward shippers and debasers of women/female characters.
My logic stands as far as noting that Diggle spotted Felicity's feelings for Oliver and let her know it in a friendly kind of sympathy. Full stop! Felicity has shown regret at judging and/or jumping in too fast with decisions before, and all I posited was whether her feelings may cause her to do so in the future. It could be an interesting storyline - sans cat fight! - in which Felicity actually came out more independent and stronger in character for it.
And for the record, I'm not pro 'shippers. whalers or in favour of distracting love matches!
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Mar 29, 2014
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Mar 29, 2014
Why do you assume Felicity is jealous? The last time Helena was in town, she forced Felicity to hack the FBI database and then left her tied up under her desk. She has her own valid reason to dislike Helena, and it has nothing to do with Oliver. If it's the 'psycho ex-girlfriend' description, those were originally Diggle's words which Felicity later repeated. Diggle was also never a Helena fan and told Oliver several times he needed to do something about her. I honestly don't think either Felicity or Sara were jealous here, and I don't think Felicity would turn on any member of the team without a good reason.
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Mar 29, 2014
Where've you been?! Felicity has been looking doe-eyed at Oliver for ages and looked insecure/short at competing with the women he's shown interest in. Even Diggle has noticed it of late and given Felicity 'the look' after eyeing her, well, eyeing Oliver and had subtle and sensitive roundabout talks on about caring for someone from afar who may not be the one. A more explicit example was the drink at Moira's when Barry Allen turned up and she was clearly at pains deciding whether it was Barry or Oliver she was really interested in - which Diggle spotted.
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Mar 29, 2014
I don't think any of that has any bearing on this episode. There was still nothing here that painted Felicity as jealous, and she's never been snide or catty towards Sara.
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Mar 29, 2014
No, Felicity isn't a bad sort but she is clearly jealous/unhappy of other females whoshow an interest in Oliver. There's loads of episodes where she's seen to be throwing 'wanting' looks at Oliver in the office etc. with, that man again, Diggle noticing and giving pointy remarks to him about other women or, to him when he looks interested - i.e. Smmuer Glau ep's, esp, the 'beding' one. My point was merely highlighting this and whether it'll impact on Sarah later on.
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Mar 29, 2014
Everyone knows that Felicity has a mild crush on Oliver, but she has NEVER shown a sense of jealousy towards any of his women. Shado was the only most realistic jealousy. She hardly competes with any of them. Her only insecurity was wondering what she can offer to the team, when Sara seems to do all. I even had to wonder what was Diggle's purpose if Sara has so much ability. She even made Oliver look pointless.
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Mar 29, 2014
Shes never said anything and I may be reading in too much but I sometimes see images that she was jealous
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Mar 29, 2014
Felicity's a wallflower. It was more than just feeling useless or unable to compete. Perhaps she'll turn into the Green Goblin. Joking. Am I?!
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Mar 28, 2014
I had a good laugh when Laurel looked right into Black Canary and didn't recognize HER OWN SISTER, even with THAT VAST BLONDE MANE. And then the Huntress looked at Sarah and recognized her even though Sarah was wearing a mask. But since Helena was wearing a mask, of course she'll recognize other masked characters. Simple law of thermodynamics!

Comic book logic just cracks me up.
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Mar 28, 2014
Laurel has cheeks now! Where did the cheeks come from? Last time she was still think as hell. I am so very amazed at how much they Arrow team is trying to improve this character. I almost have no objections anymore. In this episode she looked like she should have from day one. I would have been able to buy her as a sweet social worker.
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Mar 28, 2014
Finally an episode with Helena... best female character along side Felicity.
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Mar 28, 2014
I knew there is a reason I liked Helena the most. With all do respect to Sarah and her Canary, but, Helena is one of the best female characters in the show, of course right after Felicity. She is great as the Huntress and very likable. Sarah is great too, but now quite, well that's my opinion. So further saying i like the episode very much and I will be waiting for her return. It was sad that she will never get closure, but she finally can live with some peace.
So Laurel had some of the darkness inside her, ok, I can work with that as long she is acting normal from now on. Kate Cassidy looks better and healthier, so that's a good thing. Can say that I need or want Laurel in every episode, but with some baby steps it might be worth watching her.
At the beginning of Sarah and Oliver's relationship I was personally Ok with it, but now I have some doubts. These two share to much in common and for now that's a big problem. Last night we saw the blaming game again. I hate those kinds of moments, they bring nothing good to the story. Of course that Oliver had some influence over Helena's path, but the Slade part, especially coming from Sarah was redundant. As far as I remember it was her idea not to tell Slade the truth about Shado's death, so why is being a queen B about it. Slade was already crazy killer it's not Oliver' fault that he chose to be Deathstroke, he already was. For me that's sign that these two are very alike, always right in their heads, very stubborn... basically not the best couple. If we are to have the GA and the BC together for real, please make it stop. If not, hey, HARD CORE OLICITY FAN HERE, CAN'T GO WRONG WITH MISS SMOKE. Her very limited appearance last night was the best, she's the only one who actually always puts Ollie in his place. She and Digg are the best non-romantic couple here, they made my day. We definitely need a Felicity/Diggle centered episode... just saying. Sooo, Felicity lives in a house, maybe with her mum...
Roy and Thea. Don't like Thea at all, can we have Sin instead of her. Roy is getting on my nerves with all "Hulk, smash"-thing, make it stop. Make him Red Arrow or Arsenal, or whatever, just quit it please, please, please, with cherry on the top (that's for Ben Browder from last week ).
Now that Slade have Thea, lets face it, you can keep her, can we bring back Malcolm Merlyn and have some awesome fight between Deathstroke and the Black archer.
HARDCORE OLICITY FAN!!!

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Mar 28, 2014
Laurel was three inches from her sister's face and didn't recognize her? Oyez
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Mar 28, 2014
When I was a teenager, a long time ago, my younger brother, who was six or seven at that time, and I saw a Zorro movie. Next, he asked me to make him a costume as well. He would appear in the living room as Zorro, then go to another room, remove his costume, and reappear as Alex, my brother asking if Zorro had been there. And we all had to pretend (while keeping a straight face) we didn't know his devious scheme. So, really, comic book rules follow the same logic.
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Mar 28, 2014
Wasn't Black Canary evil before she became good?? (just going by The Avengers). If so then I can almost envision Laurel possibly fulfilling that roll based off of this episode. It almost seems like Laurel might go to the dark side; which would be a much better story line for her. She's is a notorious s**t actress, but this was her most decently acted episode for her so far. I can only hope that the writers continue to improve her storyline and character.
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Mar 28, 2014
The Avengers is Black Widow, a former USSR spy, from Marvel Comics. This is DC Comics, and Black Canary was always a heroic crimefighter going back to the 1940s.
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Mar 28, 2014
Neither Laurel nor Sara bears any resemblance to the comic version of Dinah / Black Canary. At all. They're pretty much all original characters on this show.
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Mar 29, 2014
I agree. They have bits of the comic character but overall are inherently different.
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Mar 28, 2014
She was evil before... as a member of the league of assassins that should be pretty clear :D
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Mar 28, 2014
avengers is marvel. arrow is dc. different comics.
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Mar 28, 2014
b!tch fight!!so..i guess helena had to talk 2 her father first instead of planting an arrow through his heart...i hate it when villains do that! why do they always have to talk...???she could have easily taking him out...but she prefered to through an arrow to the right and..spoin dead cop ,and an arrow to the left--spoink dead cop again!!!throw a god damn arrow to the middle...you want to kill your father not the entire force!!!!!
***do you think that sleid and thia are gonna have a..thing??? :P
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Mar 28, 2014
Daemon (Vampire Diaries) complained for the same thing in recent episode.
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Mar 28, 2014
i haven't seen the last ep of VD yet..i'm gonna watch it 2moro! i love Damon!
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Mar 28, 2014
Wait what happened to Brother Blood again?
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Mar 28, 2014
Also remember that everyone thinks the guy in the skull mask is dead, and Blood himself is busy running for mayor in that off-screen campaign. I'M NEVER GOING TO GET MY MAYORAL DEBATE EPISODE AND I'M VERY SAD ABOUT THIS.
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Mar 29, 2014
And whom would they have brought in to write it? I agree that a well-penned debate would be cool (especially one that would dance along the edge of exposing both Moira's and Blood's secrets), but remember that long stretches of dramatic dialogue are not this writing crew's strong suit ("State v. Queen" -- need I say more?).
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Mar 28, 2014
Be careful what you wish for, West Wing's second debate episode : Jimmy Smits fluffling his lines during a live broadcast. Not good
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Mar 28, 2014
Apples, oranges.
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Mar 28, 2014
He will be back in the next episode.
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Mar 28, 2014
he ran away with his tail between his legs (for now). He'll pop up again when Slade (and the plot) requires him.
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Mar 28, 2014
I prayed for a baby step for Laurel and I got it. She got kidnapped (again) but still came out strong after. Letting herself begin to fight back. It's sad that it took that long , but still.

Sara has a place, or so I hope as I like her, but it dosen't speak well for the writers that they're having this much trouble getting the second most important character in semi-viable shape in the first place. It wasn't that complicated.

But progress is good. I'll take any I can get.
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Mar 28, 2014
Am I the only one who doesn't care much for Sara? First off, Caity Lotz wasn't even in the 1st season because Sara was played by a different actress, who looked vastly different by the way. In my opinion, she was only hired for her physical ability and not her acting. The most important thing for me, however, is that keeping Sara past Season 2 would hamper the show's progress.

I personally think (hope) she will be killed off in the finale or the episode before. This will allow Laurel to start her journey toward becoming the Black Canary and give the show a chance to develop Roy into a suitable sidekick for Oliver. Plus for those who want Diggle more involved, one less team member is a good way of doing just that.
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Mar 29, 2014
You're pretty much alone. Laurel is a drag. I think Sara is just used overused and it happened so quickly and Caity Lotz's acting so damned dreadful that if they give her any more lines I might have to take a break from the show. Having her fight, fine, but talk...ugh.
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Mar 29, 2014
Agreed.
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Mar 28, 2014
I agree about Laurel it took a while yes but it was necessary it was normal. They just could do all that to her and then wake up the next day and be all sunshine and rainbows.

I think its Oli's fault during Moira's trial Laurel really freaked out when Oli was still nice to her.
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Mar 28, 2014
I really enjoyed this epieode! I liked the Huntress stuff (although there was to much talking at the exchange she should've just shot her dad and been out), I liked the Roy stuff, the island stuff, even the Laurel stuff- its definitely a step up in character from what we've been getting for her.
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Mar 28, 2014
I wish they'd kill off both Lance sisters since they just drag the show down. Yes, guys, we get it. Sarah's your fantasy. Not faithful, not above killing, self-involved, kicks ass, looks hot in leather, and sometimes has sex with girls. But as a person, she's been ruined by putting her back with Oliver. Both girls have been ruined by trying to pair with him. You don't forgive the guy who slept with your sister and take him back. You don't say you're sorry for betraying yours sister and then get back in bed with guy five minutes after you're back in town. The majority of female viewers will never like these two characters or root for them. We cant' respect them. And I really liked Sara until they put her with Oliver when at no time has Oliver indicated he loved her or that being with her was ever a good thing. Just lazy writing all around with this.

Arrow has turned into the Sara/Oliver show and Diggle and Felicity fade more and more. Oliver lying to Thea needlessly. Telling Roy to dump her and then leave her unprotected was so dumb and really weak writing.

I loved, though, seeing Oliver so much in the episode. The Suicide Squad lacked a lot mainly because we got very little of Oliver. Every scene with Oliver was good. He does especially well with the female characters. The Helena/Oliver scene in the jail was great. THis show seems to have great moments in the midst of really lame ones.

BIrds of Prey was much better than last week, but I hope next week is stronger and less Sarah. Please God!
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Mar 28, 2014
It was decent.
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Mar 27, 2014
I learned one thing from this episode. If you want to hide your indentity, wear a domino mask. Even your sister cant recognise you from feet away.
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Mar 28, 2014
I also loved that they pretend they don't put black paint all around their eyes under their mask. When huntress took off her mask to talk to Laurel I was impressed that paint came off too.
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Mar 27, 2014
So next week should we expect to see Malcolm Merlyn return to save Thea from Slade and his minions? Would be a nice (if mildly cliched) twist to have him teaming up with Oliver to rescue her. And I'm intrigued by the thought of Slade vs Merlyn as a spectacle.

Long-term I cannot see how the writers expect us to accept Laurel taking over as the Canary from Sara. It makes zero sense at this point. Caity Lotz is a miles better actress and her character has an established backstory. Don't screw us around by killing her off like they did with Tommy and using it as yet another trauma event.
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Mar 28, 2014
Slade vs Merlyn! That would be a fight to watch! I was connecting this to Roy but now, now I want these two big bads and maybe Roy be there just to watch so he get serious to his water slapping job again and gain control. Oliver cannot afford to create another monstor or mistake.
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Mar 28, 2014
Wasn't Black Canary evil before she became good?? (just going by The Avengers). If so then I can almost envision Laurel possibly fulfilling that roll based off of this episode. It almost seems like Laurel might go to the dark side; which would be a much better story line for her. She's is a notorious s**t actress, but this was her most decently acted episode for her so far. I can only hope that the writers continue to improve her storyline and character.
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Mar 29, 2014
You're confusing Black Widow (Avengers/Marvel Comics) with Black Canary (Arrow/DC Comics)
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Mar 28, 2014
Sara is cool until she says lines without Oliver in the scene. Caity Lotz is a crap actress. But I like the character of Sara and I buy her on screen with Oliver...Caity Lotz can only act when she shares a scene with Stephen Amell...no one else. Actually even that is stretching it because she was hurting me in Suicide Squad. Because CL can fight, doesn't mean she can act.
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Mar 28, 2014
I completely agree with everything you just about Sara. If they kill her off, I'm just going to feel cheated.
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Mar 28, 2014
What else can they do? Something's got to give in order for the story and the characters to progress. I'm looking forward to a S3 without Sara Lance, at least in present time anyway.
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Mar 27, 2014
What u don't understand is how these millionaires(Thea, tommys mom) are walking dow dirty unpopulated parts of town at night all the time.
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Mar 27, 2014
Can we please find something for Laurel to do other than being the hostage of the week? I was hoping she'd explicitly have picked up on the fact that Canary was her sister. (If Quentin's the only one who knows what Sara's up to, what do her mom and Laurel think was happening at those docks/warehouse/whatever in Heir to the Demon?)

I actually liked the Huntress stuff, even if gung-ho SWAT guy was pretty damn contrived (and shouldn't Quentin be in serious trouble now, regardless of the fact that SWAT guy is sure to get canned too?) I'm okay with the continuing Roy plot too.

My big concern though is that since things are going pretty well with Oliver and Sara, I'm waiting for them to killer her off at the end of the season - it seems to be where the arc is heading. But I really, really hope they don't go through with it. She is one of the best characters on the show right now. As much as I want a meaningful role for Laurel I don't want it to be at the expense of losing Sara from the show.
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Mar 28, 2014
In the next episode it will be Thea as the hostage or kidnap victim. I have no idea what part Laurel will play in this episode if she's in it.
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Mar 27, 2014
I'm a bit conflicted about this episode but in a good way. It was not as bad as i expected. Still a lot of plot holes and character inconsistency but i hope it's baby steps for arrow to return to the first half of season 2. I haven't changed my mind about Laurel though. For me, she is pretty useless, you just know the minute she walks out of her apartment (or even when she is in it) that she is going to get kidnapped and someone is going to try to kill her. She is completely separated from the show and is forcefully involved in the story almost every time. She was on Moira case, she became alcoholic, she tried to arrest Arrow, she suspected in Blood, she was abducted or in mortal danger zillion times and now she is back in DA office. When you look at it, the writers either don't have a clue what to do with her (highly unlikely) or they made several plans and they just jongle around and see what fits, what audience responds to the best or something third. I just hope they gave up on making her Black Canary and having Sara die. First of all Sara is perfect for the role and she has a backstory, now she only has to evolve. Secondly, Laurel is, i believe, 30 years old. That's not young age to start training. Plus a recovering alcoholic and drug abuser. Black canary is a better fighter than Arrow (like Sara already is) so Laurel would be ready somewhere in the 8th season, when she is 35. But at the same time Oliver and others would just get better because time wouldn't stop so that she could learn to fight... I mean, her character is not well written for BC any way you look at it. I would like if they made her 'evil', not evil evil but manipulative, bitchy etc. When she blackmailed that lady at the end of the episode, that was the best of Laurel from the beginning of the show for me. The actress nails that kind of roles, she is great. Hopefully, they take down that road. It would be awesome.
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Mar 28, 2014
Depends on what the writers do. What about Thea and Felicity? They get into the same risky situations too. It's not just Laurel.
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Mar 28, 2014
Age doesn't matter. It's how you feel. Unless Laurel has a heart condition or something like that, there's no reason she can't train.
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Mar 28, 2014
Well, actually it does matter, i am well aware that it's all a show but i am just thinking logically. Don't get me wrong, i have nothing against her age. But BC is supposed to be great kick ass fighter. Laurel from the comics basically grew up with the guys from Justice Society. And this Laurel is almost 30 and we all know that 30 is not as same as 20, especially if you're meant to be one of the best fighters. Simply. her character is not well written for her to become BC. Nothing about it makes any sense. Except for her name.
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Mar 28, 2014
Give me one reason why Laurel has to become Black Canary that isn't "because it happened in the comics".
Because if you use that logic then :
Kate Spencer has to become Manhunter
Felicity Smoak has to have a step-son called Ronnie Raymond
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Mar 27, 2014
I think she was 21 when the boat was crashed putting her aroung 26 or 27, with Oliver around the same age.
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Mar 27, 2014
She was born in 1985 and Sara was born in 1987.
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Mar 27, 2014
I really liked the Felicity quip when Lance called the Arrow when Oliver was standing right next to him.

F: Oliver, where are you, are you okay?
O: I'm with Lance as Oliver and he just called the Arrow.
F: Oh... OH!! (to Diggle) It's getting really hard to keep track of who knows whose secret identity.
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Mar 28, 2014
this was my favorite scene =D
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Mar 27, 2014
'On the other hand, Laurel found some...let's call it confidence'. Why Noel? Wouldn't you like her to have some balls :-)
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Mar 27, 2014
I have an odd feeling that Huntress will turn out to an asset in taking down Slade - an element of surprise
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Mar 27, 2014
At least the fact that she wasn't the one that killed her father makes her less unacceptable as an asset in the future.
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Mar 27, 2014
Her international killing spree may prohibit her from joining Team Arrow full time though
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Mar 27, 2014
But it could mean The Suicide Squad wants her.
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Mar 28, 2014
Its could still work Oli and Amanda Waller has some history in relation to SLade. Truthfully I think she is Oli's ace in the hole. Slade gave no indication of knowledge about her.
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Mar 27, 2014
Yep
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Mar 27, 2014
I thought about that too before writing my comment, but the killings we saw her doing in the earlier episodes and even in Italy were of bad guys. Just like Arrow did in season 1 and somehow that is more acceptable then killing your father in the series.
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Mar 27, 2014
I really liked the scene between Sara and Laurel, very touching and real. It's often hardest to be honest to the people we love and I think that was a great bonding moment for them.
I kind of like Helena, or in the least I feel bad for her, she is such a tortured soul and I think she's a very good represtantation of the dark and desperate side of loss. She isn't a bad person, she was just taken over by the pain of her fathers betrayal. And I have a soft spot for kick-ass women like her and Sara.
Seeing Roy and Tia finally break up was so rough. It was a long time coming, with Roy being an ampted up rage machine and all. But still.. seeing him trying to push her away for her own good. I thought Tia handled it very maturely, especially since she was fully aware he was doing so, but just didn't know why. Hmm.. I really liked them as a couple, hope they work it out.
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Mar 27, 2014
It was a good episode. Slade getting Speedy at the end was perfect.

The only issue I have would be that there is no way Sarah VS Helena would end with Helena tossing her out the window. Sarah holding back or not, she has been too well trained by people that take training way more serious than any trainers over here. It is like the difference between taking a Krav Maga class in the states, vs going to Israel and taking class there. Note to anyone that has a desire to do that. Take a lot of ice packs, because they don't pull punches and they hurt you. I broke two of my ribs training there and separated my jaw. So Sarah being trained by who she has been trained by is something they shouldn't really mess with in saying that someone else has a chance. She is badass.
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Mar 27, 2014
Remind me never to have an argument in the comments with you :-)
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Mar 27, 2014
Ha. It was just a work thing. I worked for a while for a PMC doing close protection type of work, it paid great. Then I went to grad school and now work at a University. I use my words and talk my students to death. Though I am heading back to Israel over the summer to do another course with the same guys.
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Mar 27, 2014
Not making it better........ Sorry Sir I ever addressed you.......
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Mar 27, 2014
@Mate Phew, a narrow escape :-)
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Mar 27, 2014
No worries Rolamb. We agree on way too much on here. I like your input and your take on things.
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Mar 27, 2014
Good Review Noel !

Since beginning of season two, most Arrow episodes had been better than average so my expectations have risen. This was not one of the stronger episodes. I do like the Huntress and happy to see her back.

Now that the her story line has ended. Let's have Slade vs Team Arrow for the rest of the season !
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Mar 27, 2014
"During the attack, unfortunately, I decapitated the engineer." That line by Slade was so offhand and deadpan found it alot funnier than it was intended.
Slade is bringing it as deathstroke.
Suspension of disbelief but, how Laurel cannot see that Sara is the Canary. Quentin is even worse, he has seen first hand how much Sara has changed so how he cannot suspect something similar with Oliver when he initially did is mind boggling.
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Mar 28, 2014
I mysel said to myself a few times and specially in this episode that he, Quentin should know by now that Oliver is the Arrow. Agreed Oli took care of it but now that Sara is back from the same ^trip^ as Oli, and Quentin knows what a fighter she is now, and Oliver and Sara are together and yet they have not show signs of a troubled relation. Quentin being a good detective should figured it out by now since all other said people are linked too.
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Mar 28, 2014
Apparently this all gets addressed in episode 19..But for it to have taken this long. I know it cheapens the thrill when EVERYONE knows but this is 2014 and these shows are meant to be grounded in reality. Keeping that kind of secret especially from perceptive people around you would be impossible.
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Mar 27, 2014
Quentin knows that Sarah is the female vigilante. He once suspected Oliver of being the vigilante because there was considerable circumstantial evidence that suggested that. He let the suspicion go, essentially just because someone else was dressed as the vigilante on one occasion. He knows that Diggle is a badass who for no apparent reason is now working as Oliver's "black driver". He knows that Felicity is Oliver's employee, but spends a lot of time working closely with the vigilante. He knows that Roy is connected to both Oliver and the vigilante. He knows that Sarah is dating Oliver and is working with the vigilante. He knows that both of these relationships started roughly at the same time. He knows that Sarah and Oliver both had traumatic experiences during their absence that neither of them is willing to talk about.

I really hope that Quentin is just pretending to not understand, like Jedekiah in The Tomorrow People. Still, just as in The Tomorrow People, it's still stupid, because it's not just "so obvious that he has to know". It's so obvious that they have to know that he knows.
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Mar 28, 2014
You know one day he'll probably say something like, "Sarah, there's an emergency, crime is happening, call Oliv- I mean, the Arrow! Tell him to suit up and help us out!"
"Wait, Dad, you know?" Sarah would say.
"Yeah, I thought he'd be nicer to me if I pretended I didn't know".
"Dad!"
"Come on, it's kind of obvious. His stubble gives him away".
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Mar 27, 2014
If the show is partly about keeping identities a secret, why is Roy still not wearing some sort of mask? i know he is not really well known around the city, but there must be enough former criminals that can recognize him? I'm actually hoping he will get his anger under control.
The trick with the caller ID was pretty good and Diggle's nod was indeed hilarious
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Mar 27, 2014
I can't believe so many people are upset that Laurel didn't recognize Sarah. The whole premise is based off of the idea that people don't recognize vigilantes once they put masks on. It's how Oliver has his secret, and now Sarah. Why is everyone voicing their displeasure now?
Overall, it was a fun episode. I found Helena more enjoyable in this episode than I had in the first season, the actress seemed more comfortable with an American accent and her role. I'm pretty sure though by the end of this season Sarah is going to die. They showed signs of Laurel going dark, presumably to become the black canary later and be less remorseful of killing at first. Sarah is undergoing a redemption from killing arc, which also leads to major character deaths. As well as the fact that her death would further motivate Oliver to kill Slade by the season finale. The other possibility is Thea, but seeing as she is kidnapped, I don't see them taking this easy way to kill the character. Though it is possible, as Oliver referenced the name Speedy with Roy.
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Mar 28, 2014
I don't think Oliver will kill Slade. He is too popular character to be killed.
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Mar 27, 2014
I think you're only around 20% correct about Sara's death; island Sara is going to appear to die at the season but we've known about that for a while. But when the show producers talk about multi-season arcs for both Slade and the "Birds of Prey" then Slade is going to be alive and kicking season, and it's hard to show a developing team dynamic between Sara and Helena if one of them is dead.
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Mar 29, 2014
Did the writers explicitly say Sara and Helena? Or just Birds of Prey? because the latter could be Laurel replacing her as the black canary??
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Mar 27, 2014
"Once you let the darkness inside it never comes out"

I believe this is a euphemism for "Once you go black, you can't go back."

I kid. I kid. I kid....
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Mar 27, 2014
I really enjoyed this episode for the most part. I don't mind that Laurel didn't recognize Sara because that's how it is in comic books. No one recognizes Oliver either! I'm glad they're not rushing Laurel's recovery, getting off drugs and alcohol isn't easy. Also, I'm glad she stood up for herself and got her job back.

I'm wondering if Oliver will decide to tell Thea what's going on soon.
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Mar 27, 2014
I just loooove it when a villain has a weapon of sorts but decides to fist fight for no reason whatsoever.

After the failed hostage exchange Helena and Sarah had their little fight. They were standing approximately 10 feet from each other. Helena does not shoot Sarah with the compact crossbow (and she didn't lose it, I checked!) but decides to waste time and use her fists. Sure... She thought she could win Sarah but still... Why not just shoot her? If she had won, Helena would have killed Sarah so why not speed things up and kill Sarah immediately? Lifting your hand and squeezing the trigger is faster than melee combat but I guess that Helena wasn't in a hurry. It's not like there was a dude on the roofs with a machine gun and Oliver to worry about... Oh wait! ...But whatever, no biggie!

All in all. It was just fine. Seen better and seen worse. I have to admit that when the group gets bigger and bigger, the action scenes just start to bore me.
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Mar 27, 2014
Sara is trained by the LoA, she would catch the arrow anyway if Huntres would shoot at her :P
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Mar 27, 2014
Could be :D but Helena didn't even try... That's what bothers me. And small handheld crossbow with arrows that are like... 10-15 centimetres long might be harder to catch than Oliver's half a meter long arrows. So that's there to increase the chances of getting hurt. But yeah. That was me nitpicking. Overall I enjoyed the episode, I just can't handle it when the bad guys don't think :)
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Mar 27, 2014
I really don't want Laurel to become the Black Canary. I'd prefer they keep Sarah over Laurel, who in my opinion, drags this series down.
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Mar 28, 2014
I lot of us don't want this... but we will have to admit that Laurel is improving. Still, for the most part of the story she sucked, so the DVDs are ruined whether they improved her now or not :( And so far it all looks like Laure-Black Canary is happening :( I bet Slade will kill Sarah and Laurel will then find out who she is...
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Mar 27, 2014
Episode lost me,when Helena was standing and just looking at her father...she had clear shot,could have easily killed him but no....let's talk and then wtf does it matter,if it's a trap,when she well knew it was a trap???
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