Arrow "Dodger" Review: Dating Games and New Dynamics

Arrow S01E15: "Dodger"

After last week’s action extravaganza, Arrow settled back into more familiar rhythms with "Dodger," meaning there was a villain-of-the-week, a small variety of non-vigilante subplots, an island flashback, and a little bit on the Undertaking. So, you know, a really busy episode.

None of this felt super rushed or crowded—though I likely could’ve done without the island flashback, if only to give the episode just a little space to breathe—because it’s clear that this hour was about setting up a lot of other stuff for the show’s back stretch and establishing some new dynamics.

First and foremost was Felicity joining Team Arrow. Certainly, her being in-the-know about Olivier’s vigilante activities streamlines the narrative a bit; the procedural aspects of hunting down Dodger felt smoother than they have in the past. Felicity was right there to talk to Oliver and Diggle about the case, no need to head over to Queen Consolidated and make up some lame excuse. If anything, her being involved freed up the episode to include those date scenes.

But since Felicity is only on the team “provisionally” and has a bit more of conscience than Oliver or Diggle do about Oliver’s mission, "Dodger" had to rehash the whole “Why don’t you target people who aren’t on the list, too?” conversation, kind of like what it did when Diggle tried to go after some bank robbers earlier in the season. Both Diggle and Felicity are pushing Oliver to expand his scope and do more good for Starling City, and it seems that Oliver does little cases like this to make sure they both stay on board... lest he have to kill them. Seriously, Oliver needs to readjust his loyalty expectations just a tad, because that’s a little much.

At the same time, these appeals and smaller cases do help nudge Oliver past the vigilante persona and toward that of a hero—but seeing the effects of these cases on Oliver’s behavior is what’s missing from the group dynamic. Even small acknowledgments of it would help further the arc the show obviously sees Oliver as having, but I’m just not seeing it yet. Maybe I’m missing something?

At least Felicity’s presence also allows conversations to shift in new ways, and thank goodness for that. Previously, the process of planning out how to go after the Dodger would’ve been sort of mechanical, so her nudging Diggle about asking out Carly, and who in turn needled Oliver about McKenna, opened up new interactions for each character. It gave Diggle and Oliver something different do and new ways to respond to each other. It also finally gave Diggle a bit of a personal world, which is something I’ve been wanting for that character for a while now.

Of course the dates were disasters, between Diggle bringing up Andy, a major faux pas when you’re on a date with your former sister-in-law, and Oliver shutting down when McKenna questioned him about his time on the island. I’m not crazy about how the show positioned Oliver in that case, as if his reaction to her questions was wrong or a reason to apologize. The guy’s in pain and denying his trauma by going around and shooting arrows in people. He clearly doesn’t want to talk about it. Sure, he was rude-ish, but I think most anyone in his position would be a little prickly about it. But Oliver will deal with it now since McKenna’s been drafted to work on the vigilante case with Quentin, giving him an inside track on how that investigation goes.

What I may’ve liked best about the episode, however, was Thea hunting down Roy Harper (played by Teen Wolf’s Colton Haynes) for pilfering her purse. It wasn’t so much that I cared whether or not Thea got her purse back, because I didn’t, but through the introduction of Roy, we finally got into the Glades a bit. The Glades have been dancing through stories for a while, including Oliver’s club, Laurel’s work at CNRI, and the Count’s drug ring, and Roy finally gives that space a face, albeit one that is white, chiseled, and CW-handsome. But at least we also got to walk through it a bit as well. Starling City as a physical place has never felt particularly solid, but considering the importance of the Glades, that needs to change.

And since the Glades seem central to the Undertaking, that may happen. Moira reached out to fellow member of that cabal (Chin Han from The Dark Knight), one who was previously fairly unsure about the whole endeavor. They mentioned the Undertaking’s connections to the Glades, and that things have gone awry, and while I have no theories about what the Undertaking has planned for the Glades, I have to imagine that the death of Mrs. Merlyn was the catalyst for either its creation or it going off the rails. In any case, after having her current husband kidnapped, blowing up her first husband, and coming face-to-face with an arrow as a result of all of this, Moira has contracted China White and the Triad to kill Malcolm. Which should be exciting.

I’ve talked about how the Green Arrow character became a liberal iconoclast in the 1970s, and the Glades, for me, represent the opportunity for Arrow to really start dealing with class. It’s not only a case of class-crossed lovers for Thea and Roy—there's no doubt as to where that’s heading—but now, with the information that the Undertaking is connected to the Glades, I want the show to dramatize how a city’s elite think they can deal with the poorer sections of the city, whether through improving or demolishing them. And I want very much for Oliver to see this as an opportunity to become the hero of the people who need him the most. He may not be Robin Hood, but you don’t have to be Robin Hood to help those that the system is designed to keep in their place.


NOTES & QUOTES


– Despite my feeling that the island flashback could’ve been saved for a less busy episode, I did like seeing the beginning of distrustful and survivalist Oliver.

– Dodger’s not a character I’m familiar with from the comics, and back issues featuring him weren’t readily available for digital download, so I have no firsthand information for you. According to a DC Comics wiki, he was a British thief in the comics, but he was more focused on stealing technology, not jewels. I enjoyed James Callis in the episode, and the character was tailored to his strengths: calm, ruthless, and a little slimey.

– Roy Harper, however, is a major character in the Green Arrow mythology; he was Green Arrow’s first sidekick dating all the way back to the 1940s. He became a heroin addict in the early 1970s (a major deal then), eventually recovered, and struck out on his own as either Red Arrow or Arsenal, depending on the time period in the character’s life. On Arrow, he actually reminds me a bit of Jason Todd, the second Robin in the Batman comics. Though less sociopathic. Hopefully.

– DC Comics Fun Facts: That street names Felicity mentioned—Adams and O’Neal—were named for Neal Adams and Dennis O’Neil, the team behind the aforementioned 1970s update of Green Arrow. Cass Derenick, the fence that Dodger shot, was named for Tom Derenick, an artist for various DC titles.

– The show missed a prime opportunity to have Oliver and Diggle embark on a hilariously awful double date with Carly and McKenna. I know they already did that joke once with Oliver and Helena and Laurel and Tommy, but this would have been a whole different set of dynamics to mine for hijinks.

– “It was like old times. Except the PG version.”

– “And the Dodger absconds with your family jewels?”

– “You know, you showed some real sack coming down here.”


What'd you think of this week's episode?

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Loved the further nod to the Nolanverse with Chin Han's appearance--anuone else think he's about as trustworthy here as in TDK? (Still see Ledger's Joker pointing at Han on the TV)

Gotta love the idea of a tale where "Speedy" gets a crush on Roy Harper.
Sounds like an Elseworlds issue to me--Denny O'Neill would be proud. :)
(Of course, Bats still rules Elseworlds in my book with "Gotham by Gaslight," which would be an awesome spin for Arrow to do themselves as a live action what-if/dream ep--writers take note.)

Side note--Roy can keep his penchant for red (even clone Roy in YJI does), but it'd be nice if this one keeps his arm--although something tells me that the writers could play on that in the events of the Undertaking.
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And didn't Moira say, they are going to lay The Glades to waste? Sounds like we could be witnessing as a Ra's Al Ghul style attack as he perpetrated in The Narrows - though hopefully not with fear gas - given they are taking beats from The Dark Knight trilogy.
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"You're going to Harper's home now? It's in the Glades, Thea."
"You enjoy your date, Ollie. Some of us have plot work to do."
(Ok, it was better with Bruce and Rachel, but I was agreeing with your point that the Glades is essentially the Narrows, etc.)
:)

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So, it would seem that everyone who is a part of the Undertaking and/or on The List has lost a loved one, most likely to crime and violence or some sort. Interesting. Especially as this could lead to some serious implications and discussions regarding the cycle of crime and violence down the line, considering that what Oliver perceives as criminals indeed of justice are (or started out as) victims themselves. That in turn adds weight to Diggle and Felicity's argument that he needs to branch out beyond them, to the criminals and misdeeds that steered them onto the path of The Undertaking in the first place.
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I enjoy the dynamics that Felicity brings to the group.
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I pretty much never comment anymore but I had to say something about looking up a person's address online. It's really easy to do. Hell, it was easy to do in 1999 when I still had Dial Up. I had someone prank calling me, but they were too stupid to block the number they were calling from. I did a reverse look up of the number which netted me the name and address for the person that had that number. Turns out it was the Grandmother of my boyfriend's ex-girlfriend. It's been easy to go to the white pages to look people up since then and possibly before.

Just to be safe I checked it again just now since I haven't tried it in years. I used people I work with who have no internet presence. It found the address for all of them. That was just the free site. There are more that you can use that charge and can find out all sorts of things about a person. You don't have to put your information online for people not to know your address. You pretty have to do cash only business with every company you deal with. You can't have a phone number, credit card, or anything like that without your information being available somewhere.

Therefore it is not unreasonable to me that Thea could find the guys address online easily. You don't have to be a hacker to do so.
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The double date possibility wouldn't have worked because there was the fact it has been done and because between Oliver and Diggle there is a boss/ employee divide that would have been difficult to cross without revealing other stuff
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...You hate fun. :-P
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I felt like James Callis was a bit underused. I dunno.
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I was fine with Callis' deployment here. He certainly had more to do, and did more, than David Anders did a few weeks ago. Also consider the nature of the character: It's someone that largely eschews direct confrontation except when forced, and he only has one very good trick (shocking people with a stun baton) when he is.
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One thing that really pissed me off in this episode was how McKenna came down on Oliver for having a very understandable reaction, and how it seemed like the show pushed us to agree with her. Yes, he is such a jerk for being a little snappy (and honestly, he wasn't even that unpleasant to her) and refusing to answer persistent and tactless questions about a recent and deep trauma. What next? "Oh Olliver, how can you refuse to describe in depth and detail the death of your father to me?" I get that McKenna is supposed to be this hot-blooded, straightforward ex-party girl cop, but this made it nearly impossible for me to like the character, which is going to be a problem if she sticks around.
Love Felicity's addition to the team though, and despite how many people think that she's being judgy and out of place, I enjoy the way she challenges Oliver on his methods (albeit in a rather naive and manichean way). It shows him in a different light than "super badass hero", where we can see more of the damaged and stubborn young man who barely knows who he's going after.
And I love Colton Haynes on Teen Wolf, but here he felt like little more than a piece of eye candy wrapped in a bag of clichés on broke bad boys with tender hearts and a bunch of really cheesy lines. I might be one of the only people on the planet who doesn't hate Thea, and I'm afraid of the clash of the classes Romeo and Juliet mess this storyline threatens to turn into (poor rich little girl falls in love with broke bad boy! Bad boy turns out to have tender heart! They have different views on life but they overcome them! Mother disapproves! Love conquers all! etc.).
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You know, I felt the exact same way as you (and a bunch of other people) when I first saw the episode. But now that I think about it, I think what happened was that no one knows that Oliver was tortured on that island. Most of the characters in the show assume that he just survived there and then was rescued. Based on that, McKenna probably thought he was having an extreme reaction to her question of the island, and he didn't want her to know about what really happened there
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Anyone noticed a small bsg reunion there? Rekha Sharma and James Callis. This show brings at a capacity old beloved actors from Scifi shows like John Barrowman, Agam Darshi, Seth Gabel and now Callis and Sharma. Way to go CW.
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I did, I did! Although it was barely noticeable, with Rekha Sharma being in the episode for precisely 5 seconds.
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bsg ftw
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My only criticism is Thea. Annoying as hell, talks like she's constantly gritting her teeth, get rid.
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Agree there...same character she did on The O.C.
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Speaking of Jason Todd, Roy Harper currently stars with Jason Todd in Redhood and the Outlaws.
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I thought it was a good enough episode. I've found some enjoyable elements and a lot less jarring stuff than in the last three showings.

Island flashback was probably my favorite part, for the reasons I've already mentioned below. Oliver was faced with a tough choice, with no simple solutions at hand. That part worked out well.

Gaius Baltar made for a solid villain. I didn't recognize James Callis at first, at least not until I heard his voice. Gotta hand it to Arrow, the show manages to get good actors sign up to play the bad guys (and in this case they haven't totally wasted the talent, so it's a progress).
The chase scene rolled out smoothly. Nice move with explosive arrow to stop the car. Even better was how Oliver disabled Dodger. There was no prolonged cheap drama and emotional blackmail to deal with as a result - Ollie was focused, he had a plan, he knew how to stop the guy from detonating the collar. I approve.

Felicity on the team felt like a good addition. Her research was helpful, her suggestion to plant a bug was sound, and there was no silly hacking magic involved.
I would've liked to see more banter, but I suppose her pushing the boys towards romantic dates might do for now.
For all the good that Felicity brings to the show's dynamics (and regardless of how amazing she did look at that charity event), my two main gripes with the episode have to do with her character.
First, the initial scene in the Arrow Cave had me groaning, given how bad it was. Miss Hacker taking the moral high ground by using the black & white logic I so much despise in the show, and then throwing a fit when Oliver disagreed with her. Horrible. By that logic, you should never touch any bad guys as long as they have kids, no matter how much of a scum they are and how many other people (who also might've had kids!) they hurt in the process. I'm sure they all make wonderful parents, too - what a crime would it be to even try to punish them.
Second, the scene towards the end, at the charity event. Felicity sees Dodger making off with a shiny object, so of course she fails to notify Diggle and Oliver, and then tries to stop him on her own. By appealing to his conscience, I guess. But that wasn't the worst. The biggest mystery of this episode is how Dodger managed to lock an explosive bracelet around Felicity's neck, seeing as they've been surrounded by a crowd of people. It's not like she didn't know his M.O., either (where are the smarts, Feli!). But why wouldn't she struggle, make a ruckus, call out the thief, and all the other things that could save her and force him to make a run for it? Unbelieveable what the writers will do to force a little unnecessary drama upon us.

No real opinion on Roy Harper yet. Alright so far, I guess. Thea and Laurel didn't have much to do, and I didn't mind.
Moira's subplot took an interesting turn. I have no problems believing in the choices she's made.

I felt that Diggle and Carly had a nice chemistry, while Oliver and McKenna didn't have such a nice chemistry.
Detective Lance totally gave Oliver a "I know who you are" smile there at the end.

All in all, I would call it an improvement on the writers' part. Only two really dumb elements, which is considerably less than some of the previous episodes. Maybe next time there will be just one, and then none? One can hope.
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Although I don't much like the ugly crooked face girl from True Blood.
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That's it! I was wondering where i knew here face from! Sam's wolf friend!
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I like Felicity. She's been an awesome character since the first episode or whenever her first appearance came. The last few episodes have all been outstanding!
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The addition of savvy (and funny!) tech girl is the best move this show has made yet.
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Well, one thing is for sure. This episode probably has received the most mixed of reactions from viewers.
No other episodes seems to have created this much of a love/hate divide.

Episodes like this can really affect the future of a young show. I anticipate a few more filler episodes on the horizon before the final major arc and transition into season 2 so it will be interesting to see if ratings are affected over the next few weeks.
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this episode inspired the thought in me of "damn, thea queen and mia bowers (Deception) need to BFF's NOW"
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HA!
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I have only one thing to say about this episode:

FELICITY FELICITY FELICITY!!!
(or Emily Bett Rickards, Emily Bett Rickards, Emily Bett Rickards)
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The episode was just alright for me. Nothing major really happened but it was still entertaining.

James Callis was great as usual with his refined villain role. He actually would have made a good Count Vertigo if they went more classic with the character than they did.

As for Roy, I am always on the fence about bringing in big characters from the mythos too early. They did that a lot on Smallville to varying results. For instance there was great storytelling with Lex but they had to erase his memories at the end so there would be any logical idea that he would not know who Superman was after he finally appeared. Lois had great storylines also but having her so early meant no love triangle with Superman and Clark, they had to push that up with the Blur storyline.

Roy being introduced this early and already in his late teens kind of limits how much he would be a sidekick. He is basically already at his Arsenal/Red Arrow age. Interesting that they made his mother a Vertigo addict, possibly a nod to his addictions in the comics.

As for the Glades, I am starting to think that the undertaking is a scorched earth type of thing. The elite will burn it to the ground and then take or buy the land and rebuild with new buildings and businesses. To the Consortium, the Glades are like a tumor to the city and this is their way of cutting it out.

You can kind of think of it like an infected tree in a forest. The infection spreads and spreads to other trees faster than you can get to them. What choice to you have, burn down that portion of the forrest to save the rest of it and re plant.

And you know what, I think that Malcom does not have any intention of surviving the undertaking. He wants to do this so that the future is better. He is standing in the forest as it burns around him, knowing that what he did is right even if he dies from it.
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Arrow is somewhat different from Smallville in that aspect you mention. Oliver is starting his superhero career already as an adult who can take care of himself, not as a teenager. It's not exactly "The Adventures of Young Green Arrow".
And the mere introduction of a character doesn't have to mean that he will become much more this season.

We also can't really say for sure whether Roy Harper's mother is a Vertigo addict, or if she is even still alive. Remember that he told Thea not to believe every sob story she hears.

Agreed about the general concept of The Undertaking. Expect that I firmly believe that Malcolm has every intention of suriviving (and more plans about where to go from there).
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This was a pretty normal episode. The amount of good looking people in the series is insane... But then again, this is the CW.

Baltar was good. Not anything special, but after the joker and bane I have a hard time liking any villains.

I like that they again pointed out that there are differences between how Felicity, Diggle and Ollie see things. It's good. Healthy. But the way the did it was a bit clumsy, especially the first scenes.

I really want the show to add a bit of darkness, but this is The CW, so I know my hopes are pointless. I am guessing the show want to be more dark, but the network is pushing back. If they would allow at least for the level of Supernatural darkness, that would be nice.
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I don't know what you're talking about. Everyone I work with is extraordinary good looking, just like on TV.

I'm not sure if the CW would push back against darkness in the show considering SPN, and how much Arrow has boosted SPN's ratings. And TVD isn't exactly sunshine and rainbows either. Perhaps Arrow just needs a clearer darkness instead of a murky darkness? I know, semantically, that sentence makes no sense, but I think it gets the point across?
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Yea, you might be right. Clearer darkness is what Arrow needs.
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After this episode, I've got one foot out the door on Arrow. The very first scene with Felicity was a huge "no", it's too soon for her to pull power plays. And then she's immediately gotten herself into trouble while playing "pretty ugly girl" in the final act, it's not that I have a problem with Felicity Smoak as a character or even the way she's portrayed, it's that the writers used her as a blunt instrument to smash everything around all at once. Calling Ollie out? Pushing Ollie and Diggle to get all romantic? Playing Batgirl? C'mon, no, this is all wrong.

The island flashbacks felt out of place, I hadn't remembered that Slade got badly injured, so that whole thing was jarring. Then Ollie uses the term "super-herb" because he doesn't actually understand what the herb is or does, that bothered me to no end because instead of learning some wisdom out there, he just blindly stumbled into a deus ex machina that got to play McGuffin as well. And then he leaves a man severely beaten tied up to die on his own, how could it have hurt Ollie to just cut the guy's hands free and take off? Instead he essentially creates an angry skeleton, assuming the show doesn't actually make the guy into a trap (although beating a guy that severely just to trap Ollie seems like a stretch to me).

Thea and Laurel's scenes felt forced and preachy, adding Roy to the mix only deepened this show's feeling of soap opera rather than building something better.

Was this all bad? No. Baltar is always fun to watch. Moira developed some credibility in her schemes and hired China White to kill Merlyn (although the director or writer really must think we're stupid to take all that time and effort to reveal the big secret of who Moira's meeting with - what other white-haired women are out there taking crime jobs that we could mistake her for???), Diggle and the widow Diggle got to have a few honest-feeling emotional moments, and Chin Han (thanks for posting the actor's name, saved me the trouble) got to feel like a likable character for once.

But overall, this stank of too much CW mess, too little Arrow and too much generic Canadian action soap. At this point, I'm probably not going to bother watching this show on Wednesdays, I'll save it for weekends if there's nothing else going on, but they've tried my patience too much now to keep me loyal.
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It's funny, I appreciated the island flashback for all the reasons you didn't.

Last time we watched how Slade got injured, and what they (he and Oliver) did to remove the bullet. To be honest, it doesn't really matter how severe it had or had not been if a wound ended up being infected. And I think there was a plausible reasoning behind the infection (you don't exactly have many means to keep tools sterile on a "deserted" island, especially when living inside a wreckage of a plane).

Flashbacks seem very much realtime to me, at this point. There is a consistent, straightforward story going on, rather than "have a little peek of week 1, then a glance at week 3, and now we're back to week 2". As with anything, there are advantages and disadvantages to this approach.
With that in mind, I didn't find anything jarring in Ollie referring to the potential medicine as the "super herbs". That's very much a layman's attitude, and a believeable one for a rich kid who had been fairly ignorant when it comes to these matters. He saw Yao Fei use them once (or more?) to good effect, and he figured that they might help Wilson. Quite reasonable.
It doesn't seem to me that Yao Fei had time to educate Oliver or teach him much about surviving - they got separated and captured fairly quickly. And yes, the island Ollie has barely learned a few things up until now. It's been about a month that passed since he landed on the island, maybe?

The part with stumbling onto a shipwrecked "student" was actually the best one for me. Finally I got to see cautious Oliver having to make a tough choice. If anything, I only regretted there wasn't more questioning that would allow to run a check on potential holes in the guy's story.
Let's take a closer look at it: this "student" had somehow found his way to Yao Fei's cave which was kind of secret and not super easy to find (otherwise he wouldn't have been able to stay hidden from the mercenaries for that long). From earlier flashbacks we know that the mercenary leader might've learned the location of the cave (having been kept prisoner there). The soldiers were about to shoot the student after beating him up severely, but they suddenly decided to drop everything and run away due to some order they'd received? Because sparing a second or two to shoot a man they'd already sentenced to death is not something they could've afforded, right.
As far as I'm concerned, there was more than enough to set off loud warning bells in Oliver's head. The guy could've easily been a plant, meant to convince Ollie to lead them to his and Wilson's location. That he was beaten and tied up? We already know that the mercenaries on the island are even more ruthless than that. A trap needs to be convincing.
At the same time, despite reasonable doubts and a valuable "can't trust strangers" attitude, there was no foolproof way for Oliver to determine whether the guy was telling the truth (untying him and then turning his back on him was a risk in itself). Suspicions aside, it is not impossible that he had left an innocent man to a likely death. That is what made this scene work, and that is what made this choice a tangible, tough one. That's what I've been wanting to see.
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If you saw someone use willow bark to treat a headache, would you assume you not only knew how to dose it correctly but could also use it to treat fungal infections and diarrhea? I doubt it.

So the flashbacks are SLOWER than realtime? Ollie was returned to civilization well before Christmas, and has since celebrated Christmas and New Year's and has gone since - if we've only seen a month of the flashbacks, and that's how it feels to me as well, then that's a lot of compressed segments of a very decompressed story.

If Ollie had cut the kid loose and told him to fend for himself, that would have felt like an honest tough choice to make, but he didn't, he essentially ensured that if the kid's story is true, he dies unable to help himself. That's asking a lot.
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And I hope you enjoy Cult! ;)
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I can't enjoy Cult, its premise is too unbelievable: it's a show about it being a hit show on The CW?!? C'mon, that's too high-concept for any audience. X-D (I said the same on this site the day before it aired to 0.3 key demo ratings and sub-one-million total. Virtually nobody enjoyed Cult and likely never will.)
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Not only is it a hit show, but it spawned a copycat cult in less than 13 episodes!!! CRAZY!
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Oh you wacky CW and your fantasy shows!
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Probably for the best? You didn't like last week's episode, which was far afield -- narrative focus-wise -- of what Arrow typically does, and this week it's back to action melodrama, which is what it typically does, and it's not been your bag from the start. As I think is clear, I have an incredibly high tolerance (nay, enjoyment) for the melodramatic aspect of the show.

I don't know where he would've learned wisdom from on the island though short of introducing a brand new healer character, and I have to imagine you'd be all, "Well. THAT'S convenient!" Which, admittedly, is the same function as the herbs, but you get my point? Given the state of the island, I'm not sure what that there's anyone to learn from, beyond a survivalist progression in mindset. All that being said, again, I don't know that the flashback was worth the trouble, so why I just defended it is beyond me.. But I'm sure Bennett enjoyed the chance to just act on his back instead of with stuntmen this time.
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I didn't hate last week's episode either, same opinion on the one before that and the episode "Trust but Verify", so out of the previous 4 I only disliked Vertigo. I waited in line at Comic-Con for Smallville panels, but where I might have waited in line for an Arrow panel at this Comic-Con based on the previous episode, based on this one I don't think I would.

I've been feeling like the Flashbacks aren't realtime, that there are other things going on where he learns stuff from Yao Fei and now Slade "Not Really" Wilson and we're just not given the time to see all of that, we're just watching a really drawn-out and seriously-intercut montage. He's had 5 years of experiences on the island learning to become the badass Green Arrow hero guy, are we really saying he's gone through all the stuff we've seen in a matter of a few days or even just weeks, that Yao Fei didn't give him any more explanation on the herbs, or more on how to survive in general, that Ollie spent the rest of his time doing nothing at all? If so, then Island Ollie at the point we find him at in this episode is really not more resourceful or smarter or wiser than the one who washed up on shore.

"But I'm sure Bennett enjoyed the chance to just act on his back..." - that sounded SO wrong. ;-)
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i liked how they showed Roy in a red hood ( Red Arrow). I dont exspect him to be a sidekick this season or maybe not even next season but it will be cool to see jackson with some bow and arrows

I'm going off young justice, but is Artimist really related to oliver? do u think they will introduce her at some point in the series?
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I think you mean Artemis, and no, she's not related to Oliver Queen on Young Justice or, to my knowledge, anywhere in the comics. And they may introduce her -- who's to say? --, but I can see them doing someone more closely related to the Green Arrow comics first.
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On Young Justice and in the comics, Artemis is the daughter of Sportsmaster and Huntress (not the same one from the Batman family) and the sister of Cheshire. She was a villain in the comics but a hero in Young Justice

Another hero that might appear though is Arrowette who was a young olympic archer who wanted to be a hero and sidekick to Green Arrow. Her story is a bit weak so they would really have to alter it a bit.
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so she was really bad? wow i thought she was good since she was on young justice
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I don't know about you but I like Felicity better than Laurel. I think Felicity is a better match for Oliver. She does not back down in front of him; she is like a breath of fresh air. No complications with the Oliver before the island and no silly drama. She knows the Oliver from now and she accepts him even pushing him. This is what he needs a new start with someone who doesn't compare him with who he used to be.

Felicity is a good influence on both Oliver and Dig. She is spicing up their lives. I want more.

I like that we finally got a glimpse of the man Oliver has become in those flashes from the island. The first tough choice and the instinct of survival. No mushy stuff just plain survival.

Less Thea was great. I liked that she had to do something in this episode than just complain.
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The complication with Oliver/Laurel is exactly why they are the main romantic love story and Felicity is brought over as the friend. Seriously if they wanted a romance with no complications, guess what they would have made one. This is the plot the show is going with and the story they want to tell of two lovers moving from the past and reconciling. What you want is a different story for a different show,

Maybe there will be a relationship with no complications once Felicity get her own love interest.

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One, big, giant problem - Laurel is dating Tommy. So I don't see Laurel/Oliver happening any time soon. Personally I enjoy every Felicity/Oliver moment, I think they would make a great couple. XD
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But it is such a yawn-inducing story, done to death over and over again. "They have a past, blah blah, their differences, blah blah, but there is still attraction and old feelings, blah blah, so they are destined to push forward despite all the complications, blah blah".

I fully agree with Badaly. It would be good for Arrow to take a different approach other than the most cliched and obvious one. Not that I expect it to.
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I liked the island flashback in that seeing the change in Oliver was interesting, but it did feel a bit out of place. This was a great episode though! I enjoyed seeing Felicity working with Diggle and Oliver, and I really liked seeing her calling him out on his approach to the list. She's going to be a little voice he can't get rid of as long as he wants her help, and I think he cares more about her being on the team than he lets on. Plus, she brings a whole new dynamic since she's not shy about digging into their personal lives lol. And she cleans up well! I was surprised to see her all dressed up like she was in this episode, and it looked like Oliver and Diggle were too. I could have done without Thea and Laurel, but the introduction of Roy Harper was good. I can't wait to see more about what's going on in the Glades since that has the potential for some great stories. I'm less excited about the opposties attract story I can see coming with Roy and Thea, but maybe it will make Thea more likeable than she's been of late. I have to wonder, though, if the CW has a secret factory where they turn out these actors. Roy is kind of pretty to be a punk with any kind of street cred IMO, but it's the CW. No avoiding that! I'm ready to find out more about this Undertaking, and I want to see more of Malcolm.. I'm leaning toward the Undertaking being something that started before Tommy's mother died and then her death sent it off in a darker direction, but I guess we'll see. Looking forward to seeing China White tangle with Malcolm. I guess we're on the downhill slide of the season now. Can't wait to see where it goes from here!
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I enjoyed all aspects of this episode. I even kind of enjoyed Thea's parts and I have not done that so far.

I think Dodger might be a good character to repeat. He just seemed to fit right in their world. Like he always should have been there.

My favorite part was More Felicity and more Janina, less Thea, even less Laurel. Felicity and McKenna are really two great female characters that should be in the episodes more.
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I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. And Callis worked it wonderfully. I wouldn't mind seeing him come back in a future episode or two. My thoughts:
-Colton Haynes! More of him in the future if at all possible. I know he's probably busy chasing down werewolves, but hey, it'd be nice.
-Diggle and Oliver dating was hilarious, and I wouldn't mind seeing more of that sort of thing in the future.
-Laurel with Thea without Tommy is much better than Laurel with Tommy without Thea. Get rid of Tommy altogether. I think that would help things. You can save it for the season finale, though. Get him killed by China White or something.
-Felicity cleans up nice. Also, she is really short. Why didn't she have heels on for the shindig (or did she, and she's really just that short)? Not that I'm complaining or passing any kind of judgement at all. I just found it to be intriguing.
-And here I thought Vertigo was a one use thing for that episode's villain and Thea's car wreck. I guess not and we'll be hearing about it for a little bit to come.
-I want to see more about Oliver and his rank in the Russian mob whatever it is.
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Colton Haynes shouldn't be chasing down any werewolves since he left that show.
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Noel, hopefully this show is working towards a "What Can One Man Do?" socially revelant story, which was a Green Arrow classic in the early 70's
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I feel like that story is a waaaaaaaaaaaaays off, if they even go there.. This Oliver is nowhere near ready to be a mayoral candidate, but the overall tone of that idea, being socially relevant, would be most welcomed.

Arrow's just been spotty in its social commentary, a major part of the modern interpretation of the character. It's there, but not there *enough.* Which is fine since the New 52 Green Arrow is hardly socially conscious, and everyone gets their own interpretation to these sorts of things.

But both the comic book fanboy and the media & ideology grad student in me wants the show to push those boundaries.
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Meh,didn't really liked or hated episode. It had it's moments and laying ground for future episodes,but that's it. And Felicia looked like some cheap,craving for drugs hooker with all that make-up. She is way hotter without all that make-up.

And Dodger just went and picked up that necklace or whatever it was,that was donated by Queens and no alarm or anything like that protecting it,worth don't know how much,but enough to say Diggle "you don't know just how rich his family is". Really!?!?!?!
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No way? I thought Felicity looked fine as hell in that dress. XD
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I had no problem with dress. I had problem with make-up on her face.
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Also, they brought Buffy alumni Drew Z. Greenburg on as a co-executive producer. He also worked on Caprica... and Smallville. I wonder if that gets confusing keeping track of Oliver Queens.
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Eh, guess I didn't get the point of the flashback. So, the soldiers just tie up their own people, send them wandering around the island, and hope that they find Oliver and/or Slade? Wouldn't they _know_ where their Judas goat are, if they were setting a trap? So Oliver refusing to free the guy didn't make much sense. He should have been wondering why there aren't a bunch of heavily armed soldiers outside waiting for him.

I also imagine Oliver coming back to the cave later and finding a skeleton lying on the ground. ;)

But the actor playing Durand sure has bad luck. Starves to death here, ripped apart by a fake werewolf on Once Upon a Time.
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The point was that he had to make difficult choices on the island, some of which he would later regret making.
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Now if they had framed it as, "Well, this guy has no survival skills: do I take him under my wing like Yao Fei and Slade did, or leave him to die," THAT would have been a difficult choice that he'd regret later.
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That's the point of the plot beat. It's not the point of a coherent plan by the bad guys (or Oliver thinking it out) to get to that plot beat. The bad guys shouldn't be dumb enough to send the guy out with no backup. And Oliver should realize that if Durand was with the soldiers then they would have captured him as soon as he left Durand behind and exited the cave.

So it shouldn't have been a difficult choice to make. "If he's working with the soldiers, they know I'm here and I'm dead. I'm not, so he isn't, so I'll cut him loose." Oliver had nothing to lose by freeing the guy, unless he figures that the soldiers sent Durand to infiltate with absolutely no backup. Which makes no sense.
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Or maybe Oliver is smart enough by now to do a little scouting of the area beforehand? And maybe mercenaries are smart enough to expect Oliver to do just that, and hence would avoid planting a large group of soldiers that would be much easier to spot or hear? Perhaps they don't have men to spare to sit at one spot for days or weeks on end in hopes that their target might make it back there? Giving one man the assignment to keep visiting the cave and doing the survivor act just to buy Oliver's trust wouldn't have cost Fyers much.
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Watching it myself, I believed the guy and maybe Oliver should have too. That was pretty much the whole point of the scene. To give more meaning to how he felt when talking about not being able to trust anyone and having to make hard decisions.
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Well, unless Fyers and his soldiers are idiots, Durand had to be telling the truth. If Oliver is going to deide to leave someone to die (or slowly starve in a pile in their own bodily wastes), there should be a valid reason for him concluding that it's a scheme by Fyers.
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Well at that point Oliver had already encountered 3 badass fighters, what's to say Durand wasn't another one. Oliver wasn't all that good at fighting yet so he could've easily been bested by one person. Also, the dude was tied with a rope... in a cave. It's not like Oliver was leaving him for dead, the guy could've broken the rope against the rock wall or something and at least he was sheltered. It was the smart thing to do, to take the precautions.
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Well, all the soldiers are presumably badass fighters. But if you're the bad guys, why tie one up, send him out into the woods, and hope that he finds who you're looking for and that the people he's looking for don't kill him.

And yeah, it sure seemed like Oliver left him for dead. He lied to Slade about the guy. What's he going to do, secretly go back and feed him, take him to the bathroom, and whatever? :)
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I KNEW IT WAS RELATED TO THE LOST ISLAND.
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What was that you were saying last week about Lost and not shouting???
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That was about the flashbacks. This was about the skeleton lying on the ground. Two totally different things.
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Nope! There was a skeleton in the Lost cave in the present day! Jack's ghost dad led him there.

Wait, do you mean the potential skeleton in Oliver's flashback?! FLASHBACKS ARE CONFUSING.
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You mean the skeleton *in* the flashback :D
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The plotting of this episode was so stupid. What, for the first time, the Dodger decides to break his MO and steal the thing personally? Instead of screaming "THIEF", this 5 foot blonde tries to stop a murderous thief by herself? This chick starts asking a guy she barely knows about the most traumatic experience of his life and is offended when he doesn't lay it out for her? Felicity somehow gets it into her head that the vigilante goes around killing his targets, despite the fact that she can up a man's entire internet life with just a name? Like she hasn't reseached the vigilante? A guy snags the chain of his wallet on part of a fence that he never even touched? Nor does he notice the snagging sensation of it breaking off? People who sell wallets keep records of their customer's names? An exchange student just happens to find Yao Fe's cave, despite the fact that an entire army spent months searching, to no avail? Moira decides to kill the only guy who can tell her where her husband is? Snotty rich girl, with no apparent tech-savvyness, manages to find the address of some random guy, who probably doesn't even own a computer, using the internet? And then proceeds to wander around a crime ridden neighbourhood, looking like Abercrombie & Fitch vomited on her? Slade has survived God knows how long in a Chinese Forest with no medicine? What, did her never get sick? And to top it off, Colton Haynes(This is what he gave up Teen Wolf for?) is a douche. Again. Who writes this crap?
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You noticed those too. Well said. But like I said, if you like watching Arrow, for whatever reason, you have to put the usual flaws aside or you won't get through a single episode.
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True but this was the icing on the cake. Never have I watch a TV episode and had so many plotholes screaming out at me. And there wasn't even a half-assed explanation to disregard it
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There is no explanation that can fill the holes. It's just bad writing. Did you also notice during the police raid there were no cops outside? No cordoning off the building or street, no one covering the exits, for the take down of a dangerous international fugitive. Of course the writers left this huge hole so they could have the scene with Arrow and Dodger in the alley, and Dodger needed to escape so he'd be available for the remainder of the episode. Oh well. Disregard.
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Agreed, re: Dodger breaking his MO. That being said, the quick turnaround on the jewel being present meant less time for planning, and given his inability to move the ruby from the opening, he was likely trying to have something to sell.

McKenna ("This chick") knew Oliver from before he disappeared, and they even went out for a while, had some non-PG-rated times, it is implied, so not really a "barely knows" sort of situation. Inconsiderate and rude on her part, yes? But not in the way you're framing it.

Oliver does go around killing people (mostly the henchmen of the targets). They discussed this last week as well. It's re-hashy, yes, but CW shows are all about plot exposition in this clunky way to try and make sure someone brand new to isn't completely lost.

Your questioning of the guy finding the cave is a reason why Oliver likely didn't untie the guy and instead chose to leave him there. Not purposefully bad plotting: It was intended to be opaque.

Thea's online research was more about finding who sold the wallet chain (all of it silly), not Roy's address. The address she probably got from Quentin when Roy was brought in for questioning. And even if not, then addresses aren't hard to come by if you have a last name (which she did) and a sense of where they live (i.e., in the Glades). You don't need someone to own a computer to find their physical address.

And Oliver's survived for 6 months with barely any medicine apart from those super-herbs. Entirely possible that a well-trained survivalist of Slade's nature would be OK, depending on how well prepared he was, how much stuff survived the plane's crash / wasn't raided by the mercs at any point.
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How hard is it to find someone of importance in the Queen family/the cancer charity, stick a bomb around their neck and get them to steal it? Charity events hardly have robust security.

He may know her but she doesn't know him. He's an entirely different person now and it's entirely inappropriate to ask questions like that on a first date. It was like an interrogation.

True but that wasn't the reason Felicity was pissed. She was pissed cos she thought he was gonna kill the target, which she should know he doesn't. I may be incorrect here but I don't think he's killed any of his targets.

But the only way that storyline will have the impact the writers intended is if the audience believes he's a student. If he is actually a henchman of Fire's, then it isn't bad plotting. It's just a pointless storyline that could have been cut out to deal with the plotholes above.

Roy: How did you find me? Thea: A little thing called the internet.

If you can truly use the internet to find someone that obscure, that's really troubling. It's not like he's famous. In order to find someone's address using the internet, they/someone else needs to post their address on the internet. He doesn't exactly strike me as the type to broadcast where he lives to the world.

So a survivalist like Slade didn't have any medication(manufactured or herb based) stored up for a rainy day? Not much a survivalist.
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Roy's address, since this is really something bizarre to get hung up on: The white pages are available online. If you have an area code and a last name, it's not very difficult to track down an address. How up-to-date it is would be another issue, but nonetheless, it's not difficult at all. I found addresses for everyone with my last name in my area code, *including* old addresses doing a quick search.

Narrowing that list down would be another issue, but again, Thea would know to look in the Glades and that would help a lot. Can't be *that* many Harpers in the Glades.

It doesn't matter if the audience believes the beaten up guys' story in my opinion. It matters how Oliver reacts to it, if he believes the story or not. The guy's a plot device to bring about this question in Oliver, nothing more. Enough information is given for it to go either way, and the decision is what matters.

He hasn't killed any of the targets, no, but it's still the idea of killing him provided he didn't return the funds, which is what Felicity was worried about. It's tied up those concerns.
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Noel, I think Bonezrulz05 issues are really about weak writing. Personally at this point I simply overlook the holes and inconsistencies since I don't have much confidence the writing is going to improve in those areas.
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I take it you are not a fan of the show? Or just generally hated the episode?

Many of the things you said actually make sense. Felicity is an IT girl, she has no exprience handling criminals. I don't understand why she confronted him, but then again a lot of the things some characters do/did were kind of stupid. XD Like Oliver apologizing to that lady cop, that was kind of dumb.

What's so strange about Thea tracking this guy down?
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I like the show. It was just a terrible episode.

She knows he's a deranged murderer. IT girl does not equal stupid girl. He's in a crowded room full of cops. All she has to do is yell that he's stolen it and they'll arrest him. I'm also confused about how he managed to strap a bomb to her neck in a crowded room full of people without her yelling out.

This guy doesn't exactly look like someone who posts his address on Facebook. How exactly did she find his address using the internet? Pick someone you know who's address you don't know. Now start trying to use the internet to find out where they live. Unless you're some kind of hacker(which Thea is not), my guess is you wouldn't have much luck
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Perhaps you are overthinking and overanalyzing the episode. Personally I enjoyed every scene but the flashbacks. XD

P.S. Remember, it's fictional. You think a guy shooting arroows/killing people who have guns is rational/plausible to happen in everyday life?
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In properly trained hands a bow is much more lethal than a gun, plus it has the advantage of being silent and no giveaway muzzle flash.
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Fairly plausible. I'd say if I gave a henchman a gun and gave a member of the Secret Service & bow, then henchman would be the one to bite it. We can assume that Slade was the one who trained Oliver. Given his Special Forces training, it's not that irrational.
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DC comics nod of the episode
Felicity: He's going through Ferris plaza.

The corporate headquarters of Ferris Aircraft?
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I feel like they've mentioned Ferris before this episode, but I could be wrong.
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They might've, I just happened to be paying attention.
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Nice episode. Last one was much better, but this one was nice. They wrapped up Slade’s injury in a hurry, but many other important things happened. Moira storyline was most important for future events, I think.
I can’t explain why, but I think McKenna is working for Black Archer.
And Laurel was not interesting at all, like always.
Thea and Roy have chemistry. Could be interesting.
Best scene - Felicity in skirt :) She is my favorite.
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Wait was Laurel supposed to entertain you in this episode?. She showed up in a cameo people, cameo. She was just there as a support to Thea's story. Characters have episodes like that you know.

Yes we get that you love Felicity, got that, loud and clear repeatedly. You are finally getting more of her, fantastic this is what you wanted, enjoy. Cut Laurel some slack, she barely has any screentime in many episodes and you are getting what you want
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Yes, Felicity has become the best thing in the show for me! XD I love her!
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she is back!
SHIVA KAMINI SOMA KANDARKRAM is back
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The episode was great! I'm so glad Felicity is helping Oliver, they would make such a lovely couple. XD I loved her teasing both of them and calling them bad liars. It was awesome. I'm absolutely obssessed with Felicity. I hope nothing bad ever happens to her! Please keep her around! The actress playing her is absolutely gorgeous!!!!!!

Thea storyline was great too! She wasn't being her bratty spoiled rich kid self as usual. I saw kindness in her. (she still went back for her purse though lol)

As for the flashbacks, I said it before, I'll say it again; I freaking hate them!

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I will have to dig in TV/cinema archives to see Mr. Callis playing a good guy, right now he is the epitome of slimey!!! LOL
"I am not Robin Hood!" That was a nice one!
Flashbacks, rather awkward this time...
It didn't ring true to me that Felicity would face the Doger on her own... I thought she wasn't that stupid...
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He kind of did on FlashForward.
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This episode was Meh compare to the last episode .
The Glades ?? what's this character ? ok , am not into comics and not that nerd but that dude with red t-shirt remind me of The Flash !!!
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The Glades is a low-income, likely gentrified, neighborhood in Starling City. It's been mentioned a number of times throughout the season.
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Lol , i got that The Glades is a low-income area , especially when Thea went to Red Hoodie and warned her about his neighborhood . I think i got the idea that maybe The Glades is a character when i read your review and i misunderstood your point "we finally got into the Glades a bit" Anyway thank you and keep up the good work ;)
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The Glades is definately low-income, if it had been gentrified it would be high income as all the original residents would have been priced out of the area. The "Undertaking" is probably a gentrification scheme of some kind but a more radical one, so instead of it being slum clearence they set fire to the Glades and call it hygenic slum clearence.

And if Roy Harper reminds you of Jason Todd would that make him the Red Hoodie?
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And yes, the gentrified use is incorrect. In my head, I was thinking of the Glades as the result of previous gentrification, hence the wrong usage.
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I want you to know that it took all my restraint not to use the phrase "Red Hoodie" in my notes. All of it.
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So...I thought this was kind of an uneven episode. I am still trying to figure the exact point or parallel of the Island story to the present, I know there is sometimes a struggle to put those together. My theory was it was the beginning of Oliver's distrust and beginning of the loss of his innocence and sort of far reaching, in the present his shell vaguely split and to a certain extent Felicity kind of has the same moral compass that early Oliver had toward other people.

I also kind of thought, this was a very CW episode compared with last week, and kind of wonder if that was part of the deal. You know, for every episode like last week, you have to return to form and be a little more...IDK

I actually found myself laughing a lot in the first half hour of this episode, which had to be the most fun think the writer got to discover when putting Oliver, Diggle and Felicity together.
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I generally liked the episode, but can totally understand the uneven vibe. And I like your take on the island story, but it's also something that's been hammered a bit, re: trust and innocence, so it needs a new parallel to hit to not feel redundant. We've had similar concerns with Yao Fei, so to have random beaten up dude show up seem over-kill-y.
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Yeah, I would have appreciated, even though it is a complaint to have scenes that are not from Oliver's point of view on the island, for the audience to have seen that Oliver was right or wrong about the guy. Like as soon as Oliver leaves, one of Frye's henchmen walking out and either releasing the guy or shooting him in the head. Anyway, the part of the island that I actually did appreciate last night and kind of wish they did more of when there isn't the clear parallel or we aren't going to spend a whole episode there, is the flashback sequences Oliver had during his dinner with McKenna. I like when the show remembers that what we would know now that earlier editions of Green Arrow may or may not have dealt with is that Oliver basically has PTSD and random flashes to scenes we have seen before would work (probably better than Rick's on Walking Dead). Heck, I sometimes anticipate another Diggle episode where we get some flashbacks of his time at war (but it did take Covert Affairs awhile to get to Auggie's).

Anyway, yes, I generally liked this episode too. It just felt so jumbled especially when we saw how good the show is when it was streamlined into two stories last week.
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You always see "reunion" spoilers around the web when actors from a great show appear together in another. Nice quiet reunion for Baltar (James Callis) and Tory (Rekha Sharma) from BSG this episode. This show has been a welcome home for the vets from "Battlestar". Lovely Canada! Nice to see Callis getting work.

What struck me about this episode is how cheap the sets, and costumes, looked tonight. This show really must have no money whatsoever. They don't even dress the sets. The tables were all empty except for a few plates strewn about. The scene was supposed to be an auction for the wealthiest people in the City. Was the auction being held at a soup kitchen?

I love Shivakamini Somokondarkram!!!, but they really need to bring back Jessica DeGouw's "Huntress" for Ollie.

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I noticed that about the auction too. And there didn't seem to be a lot of people (extras) at the event.
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I think the sets might have been a budget issue that they might have blown last week.
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Even this episode was probably pretty costly due to the car chase.
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I hadn't heard about it, so I got genuinely excited as each character was introduced.
"Is that--it's Gaius!!" and then a bit later... "Oh my god, it's Tory!"

I spent the rest of the episode waiting for Boomer to show up.

I had mixed feelings about Roy... I thought Haynes did a fine job, but doesn't he play a central character on Teen Wolf? That means that there won't be a lasting Ollie/Roy partnership on Arrow unless something happens to his Teen Wolf character. Oh well... a little sad, but Ollie does have Diggle and Felicity to complicate his life. Adding Roy to the mix might be overkill.
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Yeah I hadn't heard they were going to be in it either so it was fun to see them! I knew Colton Haynes was joining but didn't know it was in this episode so when I saw him, too it was just icing on the guest star cake!
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I'm not allowed to watch Teen Wolf, hence the lack of comment about it.

Explanation: I tend to somehow ruin genre shows that people love if I catch up on them (Veronica Mars, Buffy, TVD), and so I've been told I can't watch Teen Wolf until it is cancelled or starts to suck on its own.

On the upside, I'm finally allowed to watch Fringe now. If only I had the time.
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So *you're* the reason Young Justice was canceled!!!

I actually started watching Teen Wolf after first season ended because of Price. I sort of blew it off because it was on MTV, but then Price's recaps slowly won me over.
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I've been watching that since the start, so I can't take the blame for it. Sorry!
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Just curious- how do you ruin them? You'd have to try pretty hard to ruin Fringe, Veronica Mars & Buffy lol.
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--> bicelis - I didn't really like or dislike the first 3 or 4 episodes I watched back in season 1 when it first started, but obviously didn't make enough of a impression to keep me going back to it.
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You got that right. Noel. if you have an idea that you will not like Fringe, don't watch it please or lie to us :D
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Aha, well I'd disagree about the first three but at least now I know who to blame for TVD ;)
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I ruin them by watching them. I catch up on a show to start watching it and then the show somehow becomes horrible. AND IT'S ALL MY FAULT.
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He left over contract reasons, they just had him move away I guess in case he wants to come back. But I don't think he was totally important to next season's plans because as I understand it, before the final edit of the second season finale, his character might have died or lived and the whole cast shot both scenes.
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Thea just got interesting!...that's after they made the Island so interesting last episode..(Arrow writers..Thank you!)..Colton as Roy Harper jnr (Arrow casting dept...Thank you!)..And who the heck is the hot detective's CI?.Oliver should just ask Det. Hot Hall for the CI info..
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I just saw this episode and some things really stood out for me. Firstly, how could the Dodger steal that broach so easily, it's impossible to have all those expensive stuff just lying around ready to be taken without any type of security.
Second, Felicity's dress was cheap, or at least there was something (the length) cheap about it. That dress ruined her whole transformation thing and her part in the story was weird. I mean, she went strait up to the thief in public, he took her away and put the collar on her without anyone noticing, then he let her go with the request to not tell the police? how would he know she did? what if someone noticed the sparkly "jewel" on her neck and put 2 and 2 together (the cops were there too) or noticed the missing broach and made a scene? the police would still know. To tell the truth I was expecting that collar to have some sort of bug or listening device to keep him informed of what was going on.
And lastly, the face he made when that cop lady leaned in to kiss him... 0.o ... made me want to hit him over the head with a bat till he got too dizzy to form expressions of any kind..lol
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I loved it, plus Colton Haynes, am I right everybody? He is one smokin piece of ass.
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Sadly only thing that I found funny in this episode, was that how Dodger "stole" Quens jewel.
But otherwise episode had little bit from everything. I always enjoy backstory about Ollivers time on island, what made the man he is now. But I don't see how Triads could pose threat to Merlyn, or maybe Moira just don't know how dangerous hes is actually.
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You and protonfrid seem to not understand how that plan was to make sure the Dodger could steal the jewelry as easily as possibly SO THEY COULD CATCH HIM. Of course, given the lax security, anyone could've taken it, but with the handy-dandy Felicity tracker, it'd be real easy to get it back.
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Maybe... But not that easy. And why he went after that diamond himself? Could be that I missed something, but that scene didn't made any sense to me. I just want something more unexpected. I love Arrow, but I find these villains not challenging, except ofcorse Dark Archer.
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Merlyn beats Oliver and Oliver beats the Triad. So....
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Felicity is just fantastic! As is the show...
And Kelly Hu can do no wrong! This episode was pretty dope,,,
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I'm just hoping that Hu has something to do next week, that China White is given something resembling a personality. I'm probably hoping for too much.
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i sincerely hope so too...
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LOL.
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Christ but doesn't Colton Haynes look like he was carved by Michelangelo himself (not sure if I like that or not). Hopefully Roy Harper will be less annoying than Jackson from Teen Wolf.
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I agree, but I am worried. They need to fairly quickly have him act or react in some fashion that isn't sort of condescending because that was still far too Jackson to me (and come to think of it, and this is saying something about Jackson, it was the nice Jackson)
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I've been waiting to see Felicity with her hair down.. Did not Disappoint.

Good call on not letting the "Captive" loose on the island. first off, Oliver is wearing the same outfit as the bad guys so how would that guy know Ollie is "safe"? it smelled like a total set up from start to finish.
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Except why would the bad guys let a fake prisoner walk around the island, hoping to find the enemy, and not keep tabs on him?
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As I saw it, they roughed up one of their own (something they already showed they weren't shy about doing) tied him up for believability, and sent him over to the plane crash to keep tabs on/betray the escaped Ollie and Co. at the most inopportune moment. the guy went from terrified to sly ("You can cut me loose anytime now") at the drop of a hat. it just smelled more fishy than believable to me.especially with him having insta-trust towards a stranger wearing the same uniform he was running from.
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Well, yeah. That would be the plan. Except that they SHOULD BE FOLLOWING HIM!!. :) Otherwise what should happen, does happen: Slade (or Oliver in this case) kills Durand, the soldiers find out nothing.
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Well the fact that he showed up WITHOUT a group of soldiers hot on his trail is another strike, a lost, bound, beaten, bleeding "student" escapes and eludes trained soldiers on an island they're familiar with?
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Carly with her hair down too.
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While watching, I whiffed the stink of setup too. At the same time, I was playing with the notion that the guy was being completely honest...so what I was doing was simply playing right into the writers hands, second guessing myself as Ollie did. As far as I'm concerned, that makes the episode good enough to be memorable
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Personally, since it seems Speedy & Roy are probably gonna have a thing, I'm pretty impressed at the potential Arrow-style non-sidekick twist setup that can be had 'tween 'em in the future.
Thea just got interesting
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Finally, an episode with Thea, Moira, even Laurel, used to great effect. Putting the usual flaws aside, notice how tighter and better paced these last couple of episodes have been with the focus on Arrow, team dynamics, the big plot, and not even a glimpse of Tommy (or rather Tommy and Laurel together). Here’s to an improved Arrow. I hope the improvement continues.

Much to agree with in this review Alex. Including your comment on the island flashbacks. I too thought this particular episode didn’t need them. And your take on Oliver’s vigilante persona being nudged toward that of a hero. He may not have started out that way but even he is beginning to see beyond the names in the book, as he pointed out to Felicity. I think Diggle has accepted that. Felicity is new to the team and hasn’t observed enough of Arrow close up, still considering him to be just a killer. But after Arrow’s “meeting” with Ken Williams proved her presumption incorrect, then saving her life and taking down the Dodger, I expect she’ll come around too. But I agree, we need to see more acknowledgement of the effect this is having on Oliver and the group dynamic. The Starling City press seem to be already there.
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...Who's Alex?
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OH. OH. Was thinking of another show in that moment. Sorry Noel.
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WHATEVER. YOU'RE GETTING YOUR ARROW REVIEWS FROM SOMEONE ELSE, AREN'T YOU?!
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Never!! You're the best. So please don't yell at me. LOL.
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Also, Norris Cemetery is named after the late Paul Norris, another DC artist.
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Also: Could we see Ken Williams as a nod to Kent Williams? I was iffy on that, so I didn't include it.
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Eh, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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They already did the Adams and O'Neil gag in "Year's End". :)
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In fairness reviewer Nick Campbell didn't point it out at the time. It's surprising what you learn when you read the episode pages. :)
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I read them! Sometimes. Mostly for the user reviews to see how people are feeling about the show. Jeeze. Now I feel massive amounts of guilt. I hope you're happy, Gislef: You've become just like my mother.
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Oh, I didn't expect you to read them from before you were reviewer. :)
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