Arrow Season 3 Fall Finale Review: Go Tell It On the Mountain

Arrow S03E09: "The Climb"

I know it's impolite to laugh when someone gets sliced near the throat, stabbed with a sword, and then kicked off a mountain, but I'm still chuckling a little bit at the idea of Arrow coming back in January as either Atom or Canary. Or Canary & Atom, with a 1970s-esque theme song, because wouldn't that title be perfect for a retro action show?

Outside of some top-notch trolling from Stephen Amell on Twitter, I think it's probably fairly unlikely that Oliver's going to stay dead, or even that he'll actually die. He's probably just mostly dead, and as we all know, there's a big difference between "mostly dead" and "all dead." Factor in that Ra's hasn't been challenged in combat for 67 years and looks remarkably young, and I imagine that 2015 will will bring with it a renewed Oliver... though who will help him get all better is a bit of a question mark.

But, hey, I've been wrong before, and the fact that Arrow executive producer Marc Guggenheim has said, and I quote, "Literally, the show will not be the same after Episode 9," sort of lends some credence to the idea that Arrow will, in fact, return as Atom or Canary. It still feels like something of a long shot, though. While the series has gotten better about letting some people stay dead, I just don't really believe the show's creative team, the studio, and the network would all agree to kill off Arrow's title character and the actor whose face represents not the series, but to a certain extent, all of DC Entertainment's TV shows. 


So while Arrow may be different in Episode 10—and heck, I wouldn't be surprised if it remains different in Episodes 10 through 13 or 14, even, based on interviews its producers have given—I'm not convinced it'll stay that way. Comic book heroes die, they come back. Oliver Queen himself has died in the comics and come back, albeit a lot worse for wear. It's the nature of that particular beast. And while comics and TV are obviously different mediums, TV isn't immune to the impulse of bringing characters back from the dead/"dead," whether it's Bobby Ewing and the dream season of Dallas or Mulder a couple of times on The X-Files or so many people on so many seasons of Supernatural. You don't even have to venture into soap-opera territory to find plenty of examples.

If Arrow gets to a point where it looks like it's going to really really really stick with Oliver's death, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. So for now, let's move onto the other big aspect of the fall finale: the reveal of Sara's killer!


So I'm going to give out partial credit for all of you who said it was Thea. Sorry, I know, you guessed correctly, but I don't think many of you specified "Thea killed Sara...while under the influence of a mind control drug derived from a plant." Partial credit is more credit than I'm giving myself, however, since I didn't think it was Thea! I also didn't really have a good suspect in mind, either, so I totally just left that question blank!

I have dueling opinions on how all this played out. On the one hand, I really love that the entire thing was orchestrated by Malcolm in an effort to manipulate Oliver into killing Ra's to wipe out the League's vendetta against him. It's such a sneaky scheme, and it was generally pretty well thought out, even if it did all hinge on Team Arrow discovering that Malcolm and Thea had been in Starling the night of Sara's murder after all. He probably should've made that just a touch bit easier, or Team Arrow should've focused more on him, even after the events of "The Magician."

On the other hand, the votura mind control plant drug? A non-starter for me. First, it's not terribly interesting, and it removes a lot of Thea's agency, agency that the show had steadily granted her. While it does shore up the fact that Malcolm is really and truly a bastard, it would've been far more interesting if Malcolm had more steadily manipulated her into it, at least from the Thea development perspective, which, honestly, I'm more invested in than Malcolm being a horrible human being who would use his own daughter to get the League of Assassins off his back. He destroyed half a city to avenge his wife's death; I already knew he was horrible.

Here's the second reason: it's going to result in Laurel and Thea throwing down at some point, and that's not going to be all that interesting, either. It could sort of go through the same thing we went through with Oliver and Slade last season over Shado, just with the mind-altering drugs on the other side of the killing equation. Laurel has to decide if Thea's culpable, or if she'll focus on Malcolm. Given how quick Laurel is to go after anyone who is even a suspect, I don't think Thea has the best chances in the world.

So while I wasn't fully on board with some of the aspects of the outcome, I was generally pretty pleased with what it resulted in. I loved the fact that no one in the League buys realy buys that Oliver killed Sara—Nyssa was doubtful, Maseo called shenanigans, and Ra's was pretty much, "Eh. If you want to die for someone else, all right, that's fine, kiddo, whatever. I get to duel on a mountain without my shirt on regardless."—but Oliver's decision to do this made sense in that Oliver sort of way. He's protecting the last bit of his family—even if that last bit of family may still be getting her brain warped by her biological daddy—and as Diggle and Felicity pointed out, Oliver has a blind spot for his family. He doesn't think rationally about them, and one little seed of doubt planted by Malcolm about Ra's lack of magnanimity regarding the fact that Thea was under the influence, was all it took for Oliver to, well, not fall on that sword, but certainly be stabbed by it.

Does this decision to sacrifice himself for Thea and confess his love for Felicity again—Olicity 'shippers have it rough—resolve the question of Oliver Queen's humanity? It's been the core concern for him throughout this season, and I'm not sure I have an answer, or that I think this apparent answer is all that satisfactory. The decision is obviously one made by Oliver Queen and not the Arrow, and while Oliver certainly seems at peace as he leaves the Arrow Cave to go climb that mountain, it didn't really feel like much of a resolution to that central question, provided it was the resolution, of course. 

Then again, perhaps Oliver's flashing to those he loved as he knelt on that mountaintop, with the sun rising behind him, was exactly the type of closure he needed: the notion that he had, in fact, done everything he could to honor their memories and keep them safe, and at the cost of his own life. It's a form of closure and also a type release from those burdens, the expectations, and that trauma. Really, deep down, it is all Oliver has ever wanted.



FROM THE QUIVER

– "Remove your shirt. This is custom." That is some great justifying, show. I'm not sure anyone was complaining, mind you, but still. Pretty flimsy.

– Now that Matt Nable actually had some stuff to do, I generally liked his Ra's.

– Ray remains a super-creepy stalker billionaire, and the show needs to quit it. I don't care that he's super-sad about losing his fiancée and is building a super suit to save Starling City. Stop stalking Felicity, dude. I am, however, glad that the show isn't totally ignoring the repercussions of Slade's siege on Starling City.

– Anyone else find it super odd that Roy is kind of sort of with Felicity and Diggle on the whole "Thea could totally be responsible for killing Sara" thing? I mean, he's not objecting to the idea at all.

– Thea's fight with the Arrow was all kinds of silly, and I'm chalking up the fact that Oliver didn't at least manage to restrain her was due to the shock of her fighting back.

– "Dad, maybe you can tell me why half your officers are allergic to search warrants?" Or, hey, Quentin, maybe you can tell us why your ex-wife is a better detective than you are?

– "Check your phone. I can wait." John Barrowman: Killing it when it counts.

– "And I want your help." "Why does this keep happening to me?"

– I cannot take credit for the "Ra's al Duel" slug. That's all Guggenheim.

– I hope you all have a nice winter hiatus! We'll meet back here on January 21 to discuss "Left Behind." See you all then!


What did you think of "The Climb" and the season so far?


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Jan 02, 2015
I rewatched the entire series, and here are some observations,Oliver never really trained with swords!! in the beginning of "The Secret Origins of Felicity Smoak" we saw Oliver and Roy train with bataan's type weapon( have to admit I don't know the correct term) this was Oliver training weapon(other than bow )throughout the series!!! also saw Laurel and Ted box, and finally Malcolm and Thea with swords (and NO I;m suggesting the Thea would beat Ra's) so I found odd that the LOA would only have swords as an option!! Second observation Malcolm is definitely up to something!! now as for the confrontation between Oliver and Thea it was one sided ,Oliver was in shock that Thea had some skills so I would not call silly!!! now I'm sure we will see Thea and Laurel go at it but not for the reasons we all think and know!! Now IMO the Lazarus PIt will not come into play we all saw Ra's did not do a kill shot!!
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Jan 21, 2015
I'd categorize pushing Oliver off the mountain as more than a kill shot.

Kinda like a mortal kombat fatality.
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Dec 31, 2014
My biggest problem is that Oliver, who was fighting to defend his family and was so cool in all his former martial arts moves, fought frantically. He was acting like the guy who initiated the fight. Whose stupid rule is that anyway? "You allegedly killed someone I didn't like so you have to sacrifice yourself to me?" I say he should have told Thea the truth, told Captain Lance about the coming assassins, put the city in lockdown, and waited for the minuscule league with a bunch of bazookas lining the borders of the city. Also, I love that he really does love Felicity. Dorky girls need to get the hot guy every once in a while.
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Jan 02, 2015
SPD is no match for LOA so telling Capt Lance is a moot point!! now a better solution would be Oliver going to Amanda Waller!!
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Dec 29, 2014
Oliver went there with a pure heart. Raz killed him with wrong intention. As he said self, first kill he replaced evil with death. This time Oliver had only love and no ego when he received the blade. I think Raz will loose his power as a punishment and Oliver will get his power once to stay alive. Maybe even the League will save him beause of the righteous cause he "died" for and Raz needs to step down since he kills for the wrong reason. Betting Olivers good old friend will become the new Raz.


IF NOT...then Oliver will have new scars to show of, and he will need a new digestsystem.
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Dec 26, 2014
Its Oliver, there is a plan somewhere. Wouldn't be the first time he has teamed up with someone unexpected. If it will be the Lazarus Pit, we know from Bruce's story that it makes people go mad, the death of Ra's wife, I would love to see (insert Chinese name here) the Japanese guy from Honk Kong come to Oliver's rescue as we know deep down he's a good guy, or maybe even the Heir realises it wasn't Olly - and brings him back, tells Ra and then they team up to kill Malcolm Merlin. Meanwhile A.T.O.M comes in the picture and protects Star city while the rest of them grieve only for Oliver to make a miraculous return as the arrow v2
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Dec 24, 2014
Waitaminit—515 comments and nobody said one word about how LAME Oliver fought against Ra's? Okay, maybe Ra's has killed a bajillion men with his eyebrows...but Oliver's no slouch—he's been shown in countless fights throughout the first 3 seasons where he totally kicked a$$ all over bad guys and barely broke a sweat. I mean, Oliver's no slouch!

It looked to me like he LET Ra's win by fighting like a wimp. He could definitely have inflicted some serious pain on Ra's. As it was, the fight choreography made it look like Oliver was just your average stockbroker suddenly pitted against a world-class asassin. LAME.
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Dec 27, 2014
Absolutely! Oliver was over-extending and lunging like a complete novice. A bit of class emerged when at the end when he got him in a wrist lock and almost took his head but other than that...
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Dec 22, 2014
I can't help but think that maybe Ra's super suit has something to do with Oliver coming back to life and I'm not saying that Oliver definitely will come back to life! I just hope he does.
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Dec 22, 2014
... Damn. I still think they are working on a massive story arc with Waller but now I don't see it happening this season. If the changes taking effect after this episode aren't in the wheelhouse of making a little more hopeful I am not sure how long I will keep watching. I have no interest in watching a show that has a higher body count for character's I like than it has seasons.


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Dec 21, 2014
The thing is, when you think about it... Merlin did it so that Oliver would fight Ra's. By the time Nyssa came to town in episode 4, Merlin had already done it. He had nothing else to do, his plan was complete. The only step missing was to blackmail Oliver into doing his part.

Yet he waits until Oliver finds out about it.

That's not a mastermind plotting an evil plan, that's TV writers dragging a story until the sweeps.
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Dec 20, 2014
maybe someone said it before, but I think Olliver has let Ra's win, sacrificed himself to save his sister and his city from the league's revenge
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Jan 06, 2015
That's what i took from it. No one would ever come after the city or anyone he loved if there was no 'debt' to pay. All intentional.
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Dec 18, 2014
This episode is one more example why ARROW is one of the most frustrating shows on television. Oliver's continuing over-emotional way of solving problems instead of the simplest, most common sense method is really grating. There is only one reason why I continue to watch this mess and that can be summed up in three words: Emily Bett Rickards. The fact that Oliver had Malcolm at his mercy; the fact that Ra's Al Ghul really, really wants Merlin dead; the fact that one of Ra's own henchmen, Maseo, or whatever he now calls himself, can testify to the effects of the drug used on Thea (see now-obligatory flashback), the solution is obvious. And would someone please tell me where this mountain was that Oliver spent so much of his time climbing. Is it in a mountain range just outside Starling City? Well, at least Oliver got to go out like his Mother.
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Jan 02, 2015
Merlyn also stated that it would not matter if Ra knew the truth, Thea took the shot!!
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Jan 13, 2015
And Merlin is such a font of knowledge and truth? Thea took the shot, but she was under the control of Merlin via the drug he used on her. Is Ra's that stupid that he would not recognize Merlin's hand in the killing of Sarah if Oliver explained it to him with the support of Maseo?
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Dec 17, 2014
Well that's the second time this year a favorite show of mine has had a duel featuring a mountain and a death I didn't see coming.
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Dec 17, 2014
Waouw! that finale was epic!!! Can't wait to see the rest!
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Dec 17, 2014
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Dec 17, 2014
Lazarus Pit
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Dec 16, 2014
That blade was sharp enough to stick on stone, but Ra's al Ghul could just grab it mid swing? He should have lost some fingers instead. Oh well, when the bad guy does everything he can to not hit any major points (like the throat or heart or stuff like that) and doesn't even bother to check the body, it's just too easy.
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Dec 16, 2014
Well I'm a bit concerned with next episode and how Oliver will survive after beeing sliced twice, stabed in the gut by a big sword, fall from the mountain, being shirtless in the cold... Because of course he will survive, he is the star of the show.
I hope it will be at least coherent...
Well will see next year!
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Dec 16, 2014
I think we will see Oliver back because of his flash back. when he was gone 5 years
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Dec 15, 2014
we will se Slade ilson in episode 14 of this season... wonder if it is from a Flashback or the present
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Dec 15, 2014
Dam!!! RIP Oliver for now....
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Dec 15, 2014
When the sword went inside him. I was eager to google if Amell's contract is up. That is the only way he is out and dead. haha
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Dec 15, 2014
Okay, I've been thinking about a peculiar reaction that Nyissa had when Raj spoke of getting revenge for her slain beloved. She was surprised. That was not the expected reaction of someone getting justice for a lost love one. So my thought is that maybe Raj decided that Sara wasn't worthy of his daughter so he had Malcolm kill her in exchange for releasing him from his blood debt. And of course Merlyn gets Thea to do it so that Oliver won't kill him and goes after Raj to protect her. Malcolm knows that Oli has no chance against Raj, so he gets rid of the one person who could turn Thea against him, and Raj has a scapegoat. My guess is that Nyissa is the person who saves him.

Well, it's a guess.
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Dec 14, 2014


I have Stephen Amell and Brandon Routh both swooning over me. My life is so rough.
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Dec 14, 2014
What's irritating is that Laurel keeps worrying about Quentin's heart condition. He's the chief of police. That's more than enough stress to kill him right there. If she's really concerned about her father's health, she should be getting him to retire.
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Dec 14, 2014
I loved that they had the balls to go there. I mean, sure, we all know he's the star of the show and he's not really dead (or will be saved/brought back somehow), but that was still a great "holy sh!t" moment. He was getting his tail kicked and I was trying to figure out how he was going to make it out of the situation. Getting run through and falling off the cliff was not what I had envisioned. :)

These past few weeks of Arrow and The Flash have been a real treat!
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Dec 14, 2014
fight was awsome but was i the only one who thought it was to obvious when ra's stunt double was in the shot. it kinda took me out of it lol
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Dec 14, 2014
i don't get it.
1. why would Malcolm stage a whole long con plan to get Oliver to fight Ra? there's a whole planet of people; some of them have to be competent fighters; couldn't he find someone else? he can't possibly think Oliver would win: if Malcolm can kick Oliver's ass (done so in numerous occasions so that's not for debate) and Ra can kick Malcolm's ass (which we have to assume, otherwise why won't he challenge Ra himself and get it over with?)...then in what universe does that equal Oliver winning over Ra? i don't care how much motivation you give people, reality is reality and motivation doesn't magically alter reality. I would love to avoid an hour bus ride to go to work but i have so far failed to develop teleportation abilities.
2. Oliver wants to save Thea. So he will save her from execution (because the league that replaces evil with death are too indifferent? bigots? to distinguish between puppet and puppet master apparently) so he will go kill someone. well....try to. and he warns her Malcolm doesn't love her. and at no point does it occur to him to show her the video and tell her what Malcolm has done to her and why? cuz proof goes a lot of way to persuading someone. and it would also reassure that, after Oliver dies, Thea is not left at Malcolm's not existent mercy. really? he goes to die and doesn't tell the victim that someone erased their bodily autonomy and fucked their head?! he will save her from death but not from that? 'Thea your biological father doesn't love you' is NOT extracting her from an abusive relationship. it's small talk over tea.
why can't the characters' actions make sense *headdesk*
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Dec 13, 2014
That ending made me burst out laughing ... jesus ahahahahhahaha that ending
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Dec 13, 2014
If the Lazarus pit is used I hope it wont heal Olivers scars, they need to be there.
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Dec 13, 2014
2 words: Lazarus Pit.
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Dec 13, 2014
Merlyn's video is BOGUS.

(Or at least bad editing/continuity.)

At the end of "The Calm," Sara clearly stumbles backward and falls straight off the ledge of the side of the building (more or less right-side up for much of it, until she hit the dumpster).

In Merlyn's video in "The Climb," Sara backs into and flips over a wall which was not in the sequence in "The Calm." (Apparently this was the wall along the roof on the front of the building that she had leaned against while talking to Laurel, but again it was not there on the side when she toppled over in "The Calm".) This backflip would have had her falling headfirst over the side, instead of facing up as she did in "The Calm."

Granted, this is more consistent with the severity of the head injury (and the large pool of blood it created) than her midsection hitting the dumpster and her head hitting the ground only after doing so.

Still, either Merlyn's video is staged, or there's some sloppy editing in the screening room at Arrow--and that would be pretty sad to have gotten sloppy with the big reveal of what was arguably the key sequence (certainly the most replayed one) of the first half of the season.

Sadly, I'm having to guess the latter is correct.

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Dec 13, 2014
The problem (OK one of the problems) with the video of Thea is that was the "big reveal". Now if they'd set it up so that the audience is in on Malcolm's video editing then the show can reveal the "real killer" sometime later and that could work. But to do the same "big reveal" twice just looks like the writers got themselves into a corner and theor way out is to effective say "Remember that stuff about Thea the killer? No, you don't because it never happened"
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Dec 15, 2014
Exactly. Hence why I'm figuring it was more likely bad editing.
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Dec 13, 2014
I want the say I am so glad Ray Palmer is a good guy
I like the character and I mean the guy who played Superman
should not be a villain
That would really suck
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Dec 17, 2014
He was a villain in Chuck.
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Dec 14, 2014
The jury is still kind of out on Ray. Just because he says that he's a good guy doesn't mean that he is. And we really don't have anything else to go on as far as what he plans to really use the ATOM suit for.
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Dec 17, 2014
agreed but I wonder if they are testing out the character for another spinoff.
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Dec 17, 2014
Yeah, I wondered the same thing. We have a somwhat upper tier actor (who had his own movie, for goodness sake). And, they're spending a lot of time developing him. Seems reasonable they're grooming for a spin off.
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Dec 14, 2014
Unless you're familiar with his character in the comics.
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Dec 15, 2014
I am. But then again, in the comics, Ray Palmer is more a brunette, isn't a corporate head hunter, and doesn't hit on blonde women. And his wife was named Jean, not Anna.

And the Atom costume isn't a battlesuit.

And Ra's al Ghul is this much older guy with a receding hairline and a neat goatee, who almost always has his daughter Talia at his side.

And Captain Boomerang has a decent Australian accent. :)

So just because it's a certain way in the comics doesn't mean that it's that way on the shows. It's likely that Ray is really a good guy. But there's been one or two too many dark glowers when he's alone to totally convince me yet.
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Dec 15, 2014
OUAT is the exception that proves the rule. That entire show is just NUTS! :)
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Dec 15, 2014
Once Upon a Time does those kinds of reversals all the time. Just ask Regina. :)
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Dec 15, 2014
Changing the things you mentioned are understandable and acceptable when adapting for TV. But, changing a hero to a villain would not.
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Dec 14, 2014
He played a villain on Chuck! :)
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Dec 14, 2014
And on Scott pilgrim versus the world!
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Dec 17, 2014
Oh yeah he was the Blonde Jock Boyfriend.
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Dec 13, 2014
Oliver could survive if he injected himself with a dosh of Mirakuru before the fight
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Dec 14, 2014
yeah but if he had done that he could have just thrown a rock at Ras and taken his head off at the start of the fight...
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Dec 13, 2014
It is with great shame that admit that watching the fight my first thought was, how cool is Ra's al Ghul.
- You've taken your last life.
-No. You have lived your last day. We are ready?

I knew in that moment Ollie could never have won this fight, and though it pained me dearly to 've seen it, I really thought it was an honourable death, to die by the hand of Ra's al Ghul.
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Dec 13, 2014
4 starters... WTF???
Ok i didn't expect oliver 2 kill ra's but i also didn't expect oli to die(?) ....
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Dec 12, 2014
Well... THAT happened. And not in a good way.
I hated the whole thing SO much. Where do I even start?

1. Thea killed Sara and Malcom orchestrated everything: Boring and horrifying at the same time. The idea that he could be that much of an a**hole to use his own daughter... It makes me hate him even more. And by now, it's way past the "I really like to hate him" border. I just would really like Diggle to put a bullet between his eyes if Oliver isn't up for it. Like, last week!
That being said: It is kinda smart. He can't loose. Either Oliver kills Ra's or Malcom takes Thea and goes underground again. He did it before, he probably can do it again. It just doesn't make any sense that he would pick Sara as the target. He could've used any other LoA member. It just so happens that it fitted nicely into the writer's plans.
2. The fight itself: It was a slaughter. I always hate those since they make no sense. Oliver has proven time and time again to be a good fighter. Of course he would've lost against Ra's but to make his win appear this effortless diminishes what we've seen so far. Plus: It makes me wonder why Malcom ever thought that Oliver would stand a chance.
3. The fight's outcome: There's no way in hell Oliver would've survived that. Ra's killed "several thousand men" so he would make sure the Arrow f***ing stays dead. The drop alone would guarantee that. That lack of realism always makes me angry.
4. The Palmer revelation: Barf! I recently started watching Chuck on Netflix again. I could never understand what anyone sees in that actor. He's the worst. I never trust any character he's playing. At all. Plus: Palmer appears to be a poor man's Iron Man...
5. Thea vs. Laurel: Soap opera anyone? Gladly could've lived without that setup...
Laurel: "Thea killed my sister. She has to pay."
Arrow: "That wasn't Thea. She was killing under the influence. And hurting/killing Thea doesn't bring Sara back. Plus she wouldn't have want that experience for you."
Laurel: "I don't care. It has to be done!"
Arrow: "I can't let you do that!"
Thea: "Does anyone care what I have to say?"
Laurel+Arrow unisono: "Shut up!"
Laurel: "Ok, I won't kill you. For now. But I'll be mad at Oliver for a while before thanking him for stopping me later..."

Concerning the Thea/Arrow encounter: I really don't think that Oliver was all that surprised by his little sister not freezing in shock. He must've thought about what Merlin and her did in Corto Maltese so he probably figured she had some kind of training. In my opinion, it wasn't the Arrow going to Thea but Oliver in costume. Even though he wanted answers he wasn't going to hurt her which made him handicapped when it comes to constraining her.
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Dec 15, 2014
Ras Al Ghul has killed over 1000s of Trained killers/warriors and is a better fighter then any other man.. Oliver Queen is an amateur at this point.
Its the BOW that gives him skills not fighting with swords.
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Dec 12, 2014
I don't believe for a second that Ollie's actually dead (or going to stay dead).

But I think it would be pretty interesting if they actually did that. Not because I really want to see ATOM & Canary (I really, really don't) but it would be new and unexpected and unprecedented, as far as I know. I doubt the show would last in that case, but at least a cliffhanger like this would have meaning again.

Death's cheap in TVLand nowadays. Nobody really stays dead (unless they're fan favorite female characters or the father figure when they think the show's ending soon/they need a real tearjerker, both) and certainly not the main character (unless they're having major problems with the actor and want to get rid of him and revamp the show. So not the case here.)

I would have preferred it if they had made a mystery of the how and not the if of Ollie's survival, like on Sherlock (just with a plausible explanation this time, please and thank you). Much more interesting.
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Dec 12, 2014
Why were Olliver and Merlyn 100% sure he would win the duell?
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Dec 17, 2014
It doesn't matter. Merlyn was the one who won.
Oli wins Merlyn's debt is paid
Oli looses Merlyn has Thea all to himself and he gets revenge against Oli.
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Dec 13, 2014
Merlyn probably knew Ras would win but just lied like he do and playing games to get ridd of Oliver/Arrow
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Dec 12, 2014
that was awesome! this episode was amazing except for the part where oliver gets STABBED!! He is totally alive right??
I don't want episodes without oliver because I really don't care about laurel or ray, unless you have superpowers or have a training like sara and oliver you can't be a superhero just because you have some time to kill, amateurs!
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Dec 12, 2014
I have a thought that when Oliver does get rescued and placed in the Pit, he will emerge a different character. Oliver told Felicity he may not be a killer but he knew 2 things about himself. Now, this new character we will get to see will be more sure of himself, knows what he is and needs to be, plus he won't be on any fence about being anti killer. He may not remember how he feels about some people, namely Felicity or Thea. He might be more demonstrative and assertive with his new persona. Hence, the Green Arrow emerges. Felicity and Diggle will have to cultivate a new type of relationship with Oliver. Hence, a turn in how the Arrow acts, thinks, reacts, and responds. He might emerge as a strong leader of Black Canary, Arsenal, Atom and company. We'll have to wait and see. This change in Oliver might be what is needed to create a strong alliance with his new fighting friends. I will remain positive til proved otherwise.
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Dec 12, 2014
No, just no. Either, you bathe in the Pit and get crazy for some time (the lore says nothing about memory loss) or you dip in one special Fountain without any side effects except being healed and getting slightly younger and juiced up for some time. (For instance, the Lazarus Pit had a reverse effect on Joker, who came out healed and mentally sane from his soaking in it.)
Not interested in BC, Atom and the likes. I watch Arrow because of his great team (that being Diggle and Felicity) and their weekly ventures. Arsenal I can tolerate, the rest better go and get their own show. And please, take Thea with you.
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Dec 17, 2014
In the direct to DVD animation Red hood Robin came out of the pit all murderous and crazy.
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Dec 18, 2014
I've never read any of the comics to correlate to any possible LP dipping and crazy after effects. So my theory may be bunk. I too don't give a hoot about Black Canary, Atom, and others. This is what the Green Arrow will lead. I watch it for Oliver/Arrow, and the Arrow team too.
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Dec 12, 2014
so memory lost? please no
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Dec 12, 2014
I never liked Thea so I was and still am hoping that Nyssa will find out the truth and finally rid the world of Thea Queen. Hopefully all that will happen before Laurel gets involved because the only thing more ridiculous than Thea fighting the Arrow would be a Laurel Thea showdown. I mean who in the world would want to see that. Neither one of these two looks capable of even throwing a punch. That is why I hope to see Nyssa dispose of Thea ( and I use that word because there would not be a fight since Nyssa can rip her apart in one move) and than kill Malcom Merlyn because that guy really needs to die and Oliver seems completely incompetent when it comes to dealing with Malcom .
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Dec 12, 2014
Can we join forces and start a petition? :D That's exactly what I said earlier.
It's ridiculous enough, that Thea killed Sara, who just stood still and didn't even try to evade the arrows. Thea wasn't on Mirakuru just mindcontrolled. How on earth would she kill a skilled assassin? This is so dumb. &.&
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Dec 13, 2014
Exactly and that scene when she fought the arrow was beyond funny she looked like a toddler who got angry at her older sibling and started swinging in his direction. The producers need to realize that not every character can be believable in a fist fight. Not every girl on Arrow is Nyssa or Sarah or Shado, these three had years of training, it makes sense that they can beat the crap out of a bad guy. Laurel and Thea are and have always been spoiled brats who never had any combat training and we are supposed to believe that they got on the same level like Nyssa and Sarah in a couple of months. That is just plain ridiculus
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Dec 13, 2014
This is the problem, if a show like Arrow casts female roles without taking into consideration, that they need some combat background. Caity Lotz is fit as a fiddle and can do incredible things with her body, so you buy her being a kickass superhero. Laurel and Thea not so much (or better said not at all). They are just skinny sticks who won't sell the role of a fighter in thousand years. And I don't know, if I want to watch their stunt doubles do all their work with bad wigs on their heads.
These two would only make sense as superheros in a show, where supernatural powers come into play, but not on Arrow.
So, I'd be glad, if Laurel and Thea dueled it out and killed each other along the way. I'd say good riddance to that.
By the way, I like Dinah Lance, she's intense. Make her the new Canary. She has much more conviction than her daughter. :D
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Dec 14, 2014
The actress playing Dinah already has a history playing an amazing character, River Song in Doctor Who. Which, btw, is also where Barrowman played an amazing character, Captain Jack Harkness.
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Dec 12, 2014
maybe thea and laurel kill each other, it's a win-win situation :)
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Dec 13, 2014
If only we were that lucky
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Dec 12, 2014
Oliver Queen is not dead and Arrow is not coming back as someone else. There is no point in teasing and distracting. The show is titled Arrow afterall. This must be the worse cliff hanger ever.
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Dec 12, 2014
Agree.. Arnell even said in a interview that you going to see him in a new suit, and so far you only seen the new suit in a box and not on him..
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Dec 12, 2014
No ollie !!!! seeing you stabbed with a sword then thrown off a cliff was too much!! and does anyone else think that roy is absolutely useless , he even failed to convey any real emotions concerning thea who he supposedly cares about.Also, merlyns plan regarding oliver was rather idiotic seeing as he himself claimed he is stronger than oliver. So he was basically sending oliver to his death.
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Dec 12, 2014
That's the point. I don't think he cared. For him, it was always going to be win-win. Either Ra's dies or Oliver dies and that only benefits Malcolm Merlyn.
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Dec 12, 2014
1-Two words : Lazarus Pit ,the Comics explanation for Ra's Al Ghul longevity is that magical pool that he dips himself in when he's badly hurt or getting too old to regain his younger self over and over again. So, it stands to reason that Oliver will be revived by it .As for whom will be the savior ,it could be Nyssa as a tribute to Sara, or Maseo in honor of their old relation .
2- Unless they go with what at hand i.e. The MiraKuru drug
3- I see another inmate coming to the Island's Max. Security Prison in one Malcolm Merlyn.
4- The LoA are using Arabic names for their members,
Quick Translations : Sara/ Ta-er Al-Sahfer /The Yellow Bird( Canary)
Ra's Al Ghul / Ghul's Head or Daemon's Head
Maseo /Sarab / Mirage
Malcolm Merlyn /Al Sa-Her /The Magician

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Dec 17, 2014
Has anyone considered that Ra's might be in on the 'not killing' of Arrow? I mean, the guy has killed thousands of people, how can he fail to strike a killing blow? He's too experienced for that.
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Dec 17, 2014
I KNOW Ra's Knows that Oli didn't kill Sara. It was something he said in the fight. Maybe Oli would be reborn as another League member.
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Dec 17, 2014
Yeah, perhaps a potential 'collaboration' between Oliver and Ra's. So far we haven't been given any reason to hate Ra's. He isn't yet the typical goons that Oliver hunts down, he lives by a code which for whatever reason, he sees as good.

And Nyssa has also helped #TeamArrow occasionally, there is no bad blood between them.
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Dec 12, 2014
Hi guys,
Here is a short video recap for the episode:
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Dec 12, 2014
I kind of expected Merlyn to cheap shot assassinate Ra's right at the end... setting up Oliver for the duel just being the distraction.

It's also going to be hard to explain recovering from being run through the chest with a sword without resorting to magic.
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Dec 12, 2014
I am actually thinking Flash will catch him as he goes over the cliff, rushes him to A & E and he will be saved in the nick of time!
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Dec 17, 2014
My money is on Waller bailing him out.
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Dec 12, 2014
Best and most logical explanation I have seen. I doubt the writers would use it though.
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Dec 12, 2014
Could be nice if we only see Oliver in flashbacks from now on.
But yeah, it's not gonna happen. And it will not be nice if death means nothing in this show from now on...
But I won't complain about what I haven't seen yet. Let's see how they handle it.
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Dec 12, 2014
Not the best episode of the season. Probably the weakest episode. Not even a cliffhanger because of course Oliver is not dead. Ra's al Ghul and his League of Assassins are after all a bunch of cowards that kill innocent people. And of course Oliver never had a chance without his arrows, that was decided from the start.
I know it was supposed to be a "dark episode", but the best moment for me it was this:

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Dec 12, 2014
Worth attempting to make us think Ollie is dead? I don't think so... However, it has worked repetitively with supernatural, albeit in later seasons. Seriously though what function does it serve, will fans really want to watch a show about ATOM and Canary, titled Arrow? Again I don't think so...
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Dec 12, 2014
They know we wouldn't bite that Ollie died. The aim was to keep us on guessing how Ollie will return to the show - and they were successful on that!
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Dec 12, 2014
I'm not sure which I'd be more annoyed with, a Lazarus pit revival, or Ollie clinging to the side of the mountain, or the Arrowfriends rescuing Ollie and immersing him in the essence of island healing herb.

But my problem with this episode wasn't the ludicrous ending, no, it was the ludicrous way it got our character to that place. The amount of "let's not tell anybody something which could fix everything" bullshit would have made Chrissy, Jack, and Janet blush. And Malcolm's plan had a huge hole in it, one about 2 inches across and 1/16th across (and made of dodgy CGI) as it turned out - his plan is that he had Thea kill Sara so that Ollie absolutely must kill Ra's Al Ghul to save Thea, but what happens when Ollie is unable to kill Ra's? Oh, right, back to square one and the only person protecting Malcolm is now dead. GREAT FUCKING PLAN.

I feel like this show wrote itself into a corner with Thea being the killer. I remember a lot of folks chalking Thea up as the killer early on, and it was pretty disappointing that it was so easy and so lazy - they just flew in, and she was under a mind control drug. Then again, this show wrote itself into another corner with Ollie telling Felicity that the other thing he knew was that he loved her - BULLFLOP. Look, you've known her and you've kissed her, but the only reason that line is there is 'shipper payoff for that botched season 3 opener.

Now let's talk about Ra's Al Ghul... "why? He wasn't in this episode, was he? I didn't see anybody who reminded me in any way of The Demon's Head," good point, friend, you've bested me on that one. Some doughy generic guy in an odd costume that doesn't quite stick the Ra's point at all acting like he's acting... off cards. I didn't feel it at all, the lines eventually got there but the performance never came close.

So Oliver Queen's company was creating OMAC? That's an interesting one.

Seems like the loonies during Slade's siege worked awfully hard to kill someone in front of Ray, not exactly random violence.

Roy realizes his mind was controlled, why not hers... yeah, that's giving Roy way too much credit.

Overall, while the production met its demands, the writing left a bad taste in my mouth and at this point I don't really know if I'm going to be with this show when it comes back, it feels like it jerked me around too hard. I'll probably treat it like The Flash, leave it on the DVR to build up for a few weeks until it finishes out the season.
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Dec 13, 2014
Didn't Ra's erase any blood debts with Oliver before throwing him off the cliff?
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Dec 13, 2014
Did he? That'd be a nice little plot contrivance, as well as utter nonsense since Ollie ain't dead, thus there's no reason for Ra's to stick to his word.
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