Arrow "Tremors" Review: Shaking Things Up

Arrow S02E12: "Tremors"


Roy's on Team Arrow now! It's exciting! I guess! Probably! After all, it was the natural next step for Arrow's trajectory. There was little doubt about where Roy would end up after getting the Mirakuru in his system, so Roy joining the team—or Oliver revealing his identity to Roy to get Roy to focus and trust him—was going to happen sooner or later. And it's for the best that it happened sooner, because I don't think the "I have rage!" "You need to learn control!" "BUT RAGE!! AND DISTRUST!" stuff could've gone on for more than an episode anyway.

However, it's what this opportunity means to Oliver that really matters, more so than Roy coming to grips with his rage issues through crime-fighting. Roy being injected with Mirakuru gives him a chance to right the wrong he made with Slade, a wrong that he believes resulted in Slade's death. "Tremors" spelled out the Slade connection for us, but it does go deeper than that.

Oliver's been on a redemptive journey all season, from the no-kill policy inspired by Tommy's death to his attempts to get Sara to come to grips with herself and re-join her family to his efforts to help Laurel with her grief and addiction. Each situation is something that Oliver himself has dealt with, in one way or another. He struggled to reconnect with his family after returning from Lian Yu, because he was so wrapped up in what he became and what he believed he had to be to honor Robert's memory—the same way Sara is now. He knows firsthand what alcohol can do, and he sees that behavior in Laurel.


But all of that pales next to the chance to right what Oliver believes is the deadly wrong he had to inflict on Slade. Oliver is better at coping with his demons than he was last season, where coping meant putting lots of arrows into people. So if he can find some sense of peace by saving Roy—short-lived though it may be once Slade formally reintroduces himself and once again throws Oliver's emotional world into turmoil—then I'm all for it.

So while I'm engaged by the character development possibilities for Oliver, overall, I'm not particularly excited about Roy joining the team. There'll be an option for more and different types of action sequences—though I can certainly do without Roy mindlessly punching people in the face again and again. I guess it has to do with bias. I like Roy as a character just fine, but I have more of an attachment to and interest in Diggle.

I feel like Roy joining the team is just another reason to keep Diggle sidelined until there's either a Deadshot–, A.R.G.U.S./Lyla–, or Andy–related plot for him to participate in (remember H.I.V.E.?). I miss the dynamics of Diggle and Oliver's relationship, the one where Diggle is more than just the guy who nudges Oliver to open up and share every now and then so we can transition to a Lian Yu flashback. That's Diggle's role now: flashback trigger. What purpose does he currently serve on Team Arrow, mission-wise? What does he do when he's not in the cave? At least Felicity got to leave the city for a little bit!


The remainder of this episode's plots fall squarely into the "your mileage my vary" category, especially based on your early comments, and that's about par for the course, I think. At least in Laurel's case, anyway.

Yeah. Laurel. After two weeks of setting her up to get knocked down—hard—"Tremors" decided to kick her a couple times for good measure. Between Joanna's job offer psych-out and the impending disciplinary action from the Starling City Bar Association, Laurel's drink-a-thon at Verdant ("Can I get something with olives?") wasn't all that surprising. Her behavior toward everyone from Quentin on down to Thea was consistent with this sort of character arc for other TV addicts, and so it's probably the most competently Laurel's ever been plotted, even if it's also the pretty tired "My pain is special! No one gets it! Who are you to tell me what to do?!" scenario.

Like I said last weekArrow hasn't given us much of a reason to legitimately care about Laurel up to this point, so a drunken spiral of entitled and destructive behavior isn't going to win over viewers who are consumed with the likability of a character. But at least the show is playing this out, and that's more respectful of Laurel than Arrow has been in the past, and I appreciate that. Also, hey, Sara's back in Starling City! So you can't complain too much.

Then there's Moira, who decided to run for mayor against Sebastian after some prodding from Walter, Alex Krycek, and Thea. I am fully and totally on board with this ridiculous train of silliness, but only so long as it results in a debate episode. If there's not a debate episode, I wash my hands of it. The entire idea of the campaign feeds back into the redemption and righting of wrongs themes that I discussed above with regard to Oliver, but it's too soon too tell whether this will lead anywhere other than melodramatic silliness or melodramatic boredom, like Moira's trial. I mean, she's already plotting to take care of her OB. That's just fantastic.



FROM THE QUIVER


– Amanda Waller's forming up the Suicide Squad! The show explained the premise for the group in the episode: Bad guys work off their sentences doing black op missions under Waller's direction. In the comics, they've had a slew of different members over the years, so there are plenty of options for Arrow to choose from. (If Shrapnel, the anti-government fanatic, ends up being part of the team, I'm going to roll my eyes so hard.)

– If there's one thing I often hate about super-strength as a power, it's the sloppiness that frequently accompanies its use. Roy can punch a hole in a cargo bin or throw Oliver half the length of a warehouse, but when he's pounding someone's face in, how come a single punch doesn't result in something that looks like what happened to the guy who had his face repeatedly smashed by a fire extinguisher in the film Irréversible?

– While I wasn't much a fan of "The Odyssey" last season, I do hope the show is building up to an Lian Yu-centric episode soon. Certainly the whole "take the freighter" plot will need more time than what the flashbacks normally get on a weekly basis to be successful, let alone exciting. If one is coming, I suspect it'll happen around the time Slade reveals himself.

– "Which, BTW, is a terrible a nickname because tigers are not bronze."

– "Uh-oh. You got angry face."

– "So... The secret society gets a new member."

– Dear commenter who asked about Joanna last week: Can you magically summon other characters to appear? Or maybe request that Diggle have something to do? Use your powers for good, not evil!

– Okay, so, next week for the Roy and Oliver shirtless salmon laddering, right? 


What did you think of "Tremors"?


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Feb 03, 2014
Ok, so now Roy knows who the arrow is..wonder how that will go...!
Walter is back..that is nice..
Laurel storyline is becoming a bit excited...
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Feb 03, 2014
You know, I'd think that being tried as a mass murderer and being hated by half the city or more who no doubt believe she got away with murder would disqualify a person from running for mayor. I'm sure there would be plenty of people who would see her as a rich as$%@& who bought her way out of a conviction. I guess the episode where she gave a party and no one came because they hated her was forgotten by the writers. Bringing up a poll suggesting sudden love for her and then talking about how so many people liked her cause she stood up for her family was ridiculous. It was very poor poor writing.

Then, toward the end, when she and Walter started talking about trying to take care of someone, to silence him, because he could ruin her campaign--that was a little too much. Walter was kind of a good guy, who couldn't be corrupted. That was built into his character. He even left Moira because his distrust of her. Now, he's back at her side, suddenly becoming the new Malcolm in her life.

The thing with the prototype earthquake machine being behind a locked door and thusly undiscovered by the cops was also poorly done.

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Feb 02, 2014
I have a big question for the Green Arrow fandom- please tell me that Dinah Laurel Lance in the comic book is actually a decent character, cause what the writers are doing to Kate Cassidy is just wrong. I no longer won't her in the show!!! She is so bad to watch, ok? There was a time, back in season one, when she was amazing for the role, but now, man, that's bad! I hate the drug and drunk drama soooo much. Yeah, sure, you have a bad life and on, on, on-but that's old and not gold. And this is for the writers- DON'T EVEN THINK OF MAKING HER THE BLACK CANARY, but if you do, do it in the end of the series. Don't force me to hate her even more. Even better, don't make her the other Joel Schumacher of the DC Universe- IF YOU KHOW WHAT I MEAN!!!
I need more Diggle action, miss that. Am I the only one, who actually likes Roy only when he is not all angry and feisty? There is a new movie called "Frozen" that has thought us "Is not fear and anger ,but love", so Ro-Ro, take a note and stop beating the living day light out of other people. Just saying.
Oh, Moira! Oh, Walter!
AND ONCE AGAIN-Hard core OLICITY FAN!!!

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Feb 05, 2014
From my understanding. Sara is the closest to being the quintessential example of BC. She's not 100%, but the closest. Roy is very much a "scrappy doo" character but I liked it before he turned into "Bam-Bam" so I agree with you about him.
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Feb 05, 2014
I don't like Laurel at all, right before I leave for work there is a animation series about the Justice League and just yesterday I saw the BC and.... man, our Laurel, seriously??? And it's an animated, is not like real people and real physical emotions. Something needs to be done before it's too late for all the people who still want her as the BC, cause she lost me a long time ago. I prefer having her in the show as a regular, but the writers must take under consideration the fact that there is something messed up with Kate Cassidy as Dinah Laurel Lance.
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Feb 02, 2014
I do hope the suicide squad has a little bit more of an impact than when they were used in smallville. That was over before it even started
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Feb 05, 2014
I think they will and might be intimately tied to Diggle.
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Mar 10, 2014
I guess you were right 😁
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Feb 02, 2014
Whoah Irreversible reference, that was some face smashing french fest! Could have an episode where Thea is attacked and Oliver and Roy go look for some vigilante justice. Have lower jaws dropping in shock in front of TVs across endless households, then test pattern!
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Feb 02, 2014
Yeah Summer Glau, I remember her, I guess Oliver defused any conflict from that character with some russian style action.

Lecture from Thea Queen, the Vertigo snorting hypocrite! [Bazinga Laural]

Moira Queen for Mayor? I notice Oliver didn't offer his vote, so now Thea, Moira, Walter and Alex Krychek are all smoking Vertigo?

Arrow used to have such audacity, Oliver showing up at start of episode and threatening someone with an arrow who failed the city, chasing frightened machine gun totting kidnappers across rooftops to kill them and keep his identity secret.

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Feb 02, 2014
what happened to Isabel (summer glou) ? dunno y they needed to cast her for useless role nobody cares about .
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Feb 02, 2014
Oliver revealing himself to Roy and then Roy's introduction to the 'team' was fantastic and made the whole episode. I just hope the focus of the show will stay on these 4. Whatever else happens or comes to play, Ollie, Diggle, Felicity (!) and now Roy should be the centre of attention.

Some notes:
- Moira's candidacy is interesting and should open some new doors (already glad Walter's back), but i hope it doesn't overpower current story lines...
- getting a little tired of Slade in the present to be honest, very silly there...
- Laurel needs to to be a) involved in something major or b) get written out
- I love Michael J White, but BT's character is so ridiculous...
- at times i think there's way too much going on with characters going from way too much screen time to nothing the next week...sometimes that works, but sometimes it doesn't and makes everything seem less 'legit'


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Feb 01, 2014
I was really shocked when I saw Laurel's face lately. Like WTF is going on and her acting is terrible maybe because of whatever is going on up there. Its like she got her jaw reset or something. I was watching Monte Carlo for lack of anything better to watch and realised she was in it but sooo pretty and good at acting... so sad. But also, the writers just don't give Laurel anything to work with. She is such an uneccesary accessory
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Feb 02, 2014
I know right! From stunning last season (and her stint on Melrose Place) to down-right akward and scary looking this season? And getting worse each episode? Sad is an understatement!
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Feb 01, 2014
Show needs more Felicity and less Laurel. Miss Smoke is great. Wish they'd lose the super strength stuff, it is too sci-fi and Arrow should be more grounded.
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Feb 01, 2014
I'm not really digging this new politics development. When Walter was all "Rich people don't like how Blood cares about the poors! You'll have so much support." all I could think was LOLOLOL they're Republicans!! I can't root for Moira in the political arena, sorry, even though her only opponent isa power-hungry sociopath controlled by a psychologically disturbed evil dude with superpowers and a Team Rocket boss hairdo. Arrow's always been pretty good at drawing parallels between our real world and what's going on in Starling City, but these political parallels are just too distracting.

The only good Lance is... none of the Lances right now. I can't even with Laurel or her atrociously wooden-faced sister. Why did we have to lose Shado for her??? Even Quentin was pretty obnoxious. Way to project your own 'ssues on your kid, man. But then I guess it turned out he was right about Laurel's raging alcoholism, which annoyed me further. I am Anti-Lance, for now and forever.

I am Pro-Roy, though!! I'm really happy they're bringing him into Team Arrow. It's freshening things up a bit, and it's nifty to see how Roy and Oliver's fightin' specialties complement each other. Though hopefully Roy is done Hulking out all over people's faces, because that is boring and the sound effects are gross.
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Feb 01, 2014
Best line to Felicity:
Roy "team Arrow" -
Oliver "We don´t call ourselves like tha.."
Felicity "I do, occasionally"
And Laurel impressed me, for the first time, laughing, talking loud, smiling, acting good and natural, while being drunk (olives - Oliver:)
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Feb 01, 2014
The Suicide Squad huh! Arrow is gettig better and better. to bad that they have Colton Haynes in the show, hes a worthless actor and hes destroying the quality in the show. Couldnt act in Teen wolf cant act now.
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Feb 02, 2014
Really?I think Colton is perfect as Roy...
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Feb 02, 2014
Nope, sorry, but I hate his acting...
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Feb 01, 2014
WHERE IS SUMMER GLAU????
They brought her in and she has vanished already?? WTF???
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Mar 04, 2014
Stunt-casting. :-(

That said we briefly saw that Moira knows something about her character she didn't tell Oliver, so probably by the end of the season a diabolical plan on her part will probably be revealed.


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Mar 04, 2014
I hope so, otherwise it will be a huge waste..

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Feb 01, 2014
That thought also crossed my mind this ep
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Feb 01, 2014
This episode mentioned the country "Markovia" and that the earthquake machine was intended to be used in that country. Adding these two elements together does that mean that Prince Brion or Geo-Force and his half-sister, Tara or Terra will soon make an appearance? And if they do, is Katana, Metamorpho, and the rest of the Outsiders not far behind?
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Feb 02, 2014
Well, it's unlikely that Metamorpho proper will make an appearance (in the show, it's a company that got leveled during the earthquake) but that doesn't mean Rex Mason couldn't show up.

Katana's certainly a possibility.
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Feb 01, 2014
I loved the part where Oliver revealed his identity to Roy. Also, I don't think Roy sucks; I think his character is progressing nicely.
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Feb 01, 2014
I got interested again when he joined. I miss his kick ass parkour moves though. All this punching... not so fun. Also, his punches break concrete and re-enforces steel.... how does he not blow the head of people in one punch?
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Feb 01, 2014
Why doesn't Roy get a secret identity in the field? His hoody sucks, it didn't hide anything, all it did was be red. The rage training I think was meant to give the audience a feeling of rage at the annoyance of such stupidly-written scenes, but at least the show owned that they were stupid when they came up short because there was no trust.

Anyway, Roy sucks in general still, so his joining sucks. But it's also Ollie having barely found his feet as the Green Arrow, it feels off for him to take on someone else's character development while still working through his own. I hear ya with Diggle, I'm far more interested in that interplay than what Roy and Ollie have in store for this season - can't wait for Roy to be bangin' the junk into his arm (please oh please!).

I feel like Roy joining the show is to bring in the teen girl segment better, that Ollie isn't as young as they want or something like that, and his arc isn't really engaging them, so the suits just pulled the trigger early. Diggle isn't even "Black Alfred" anymore, now he's just there to nag and fade into the background.

I had totally forgotten about HIVE, which only serves to show how mismanaged Brother Blood is and how Deathstroke is overdriven.

Laurel, Laurel, oh Laurel. She got hosed in this one and if it weren't for the fact that the writing for her went through a bunch of story arc for one episode, I could almost buy her coming out of the other end wanting to take up the mantle of a crimefighter. But it's a lot to dump into a B-plot (or even C-plot, I'm not sure) that's also chewing all the scenery it can find. Oh, and what the hell is with her makeup changing episode to episode so drastically?

Ha!!!! Alex Krycek, I just picked up the IDW X-Files Crossover first 2 issues (the setup issue, and the Ghostbusters issue - which I haven't cracked yet) and was thinking about all them characters, funny seeing him on screen again. Moira's plot was also swinging wide for a single episode, that's a lot of character arc for a C-plot in 44 minutes.

Thanks for the short version on what Waller was getting at, I figured it'd be something like that.

Yeah, totally agree on the out of control punching - Roy busting through concrete yet not punching a hole through people with the same type of out of control hits.

Soooo, I kinda didn't hate this episode, I liked it in pieces even though the fighting was nearly as incompetent as ever and some of the cinematography was a wreck, but as a whole it was clumsy and awkward and stilted and obvious. I liked the IDEA of this episode's condensed storytelling in shotgun blasts at most turns enough to give it a pass despite it being fairly sloppy and unwatchable as a standalone episode.
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Feb 01, 2014
I missed what The Wall said to Bronze Tiger in jail, my DVR glipped. She offer him a job, or what?
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Feb 01, 2014
Pretty much, it wasn't exactly a job but a way to work off his sentence
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Feb 01, 2014
Can we kill off Laurel now? If Sara dies so that Horse Face can be Black Canary I will be pissed. I'd much prefer that Laurel dies and that propels Sara to commit to Team Arrow fully. Sara is a epic, badass; Laurel is a whiny, entitled horse.
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Feb 01, 2014
Sara is broken and has to go, her soul is damaged beyond repair by whatever Ivo did to her, I suspect, which opens the door for Laurel to step up. I'd rather see Laurel just think of it on her own, but the show had other ideas. Also, I kinda can't stand Sara on the flashback stuff. And Laurel is not unattractive, it's the makeup hit job.
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Feb 01, 2014
Ugh I find Laurel unbelievably unattractive. Sara is a far more interesting character with an actual backstory, Laurel is an entitled whingebox. Plus I don't see Laurel as being physically capable of taking anyone down, a stiff breeze could knock the girl flat.
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Feb 01, 2014
Sara is not physically more capable than Laurel, she simply is doing it with some more training.
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Feb 02, 2014
Felicity gets away with a lot on this show, she's actually exceptionally annoying on paper with lots of blunders in the field and dumb one-liners, but the producers, directors, and obviously the actor are putting in effort to make her character work on the screen and it pays off. I'd be on the fence about Sara vs Felicity were it not for Sara's flashback scenes and her kinda ties to Nanda Parbat.
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Feb 02, 2014
I think Tigerbob has got us both; Felicity is the best!
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Feb 01, 2014
Both are dull compared to Felicity!!
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Jan 31, 2014
I agree that Diggle has been sidelined this season. But it has been mostly by Felicity. Like on the Shrapnel episode it made total sense to send Diggle to deal with the bomb because, you know, he has military experience; but out of the blue here comes Felicity and "I got this" she's the one who deals with the bomb!!! I have no issue with Felicity but this season it feels like she's shoehorned into everything and doesn't leave space for anyone else which means Diggle is little less than decoration in the Arrow Cave! She's starting to get to my nerves!!! Sorry for the rant!
Anyway, yeah, Roy joining team Arrow probably won't help Diggle...
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Feb 01, 2014
I agree up to a point, but just because Diggle was in the military doesn't mean he has extensive knowledge of bombs. My brother is a major in the Army and has been deployed multiple times in the last 10 years, but he wouldn't know what to do with a bomb. There are specialized units for that kind of thing, and they're very hard to get into. I know because my ex-boyfriend did a year of training before he joined one of those units. All we really know about Diggle is that he had some medic training and he acted as military security for some questionable people. So maybe in Blast Radius Oliver thought Felicity's general knowledge of computers, wires, electronics etc. might be useful. But in reality, no one on the team is a bomb expert.

As for Felicity, you have to remember she wasn't a series regular until this season, so of course we're seeing more of her now. Also, Diggle has had his own episode this season and I heard there's another Diggle-centric episode coming up. Hopefully we'll see more of a balance soon, but this is an ensemble cast. Sometimes the balance may be off as a result.
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Feb 01, 2014
I know that different military units have different expertise, but for the sake of a tv show, Diggle could very well have had that knowledge. That scene could have worked just fine just with Diggle, giving the man something to do, specially since he has been so sidelined this season.
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Feb 01, 2014
That wasn't too much of a problem for me. At least he went on a mission. My issue was seeing Oliver take Bam-Bam on a serious mission with him and leaving Diggle, the serious player here, behind. Even Diggle was shocked Oliver did something so stupid.

The bomb thing annoyed me but not so much. Felicity is known to KNOW wires and I am sure that Diggle doesn't have all the knowledge on wiring bombs. Not even John Reese had extensive knowledge on bomb culture--Finch helped him out.

But there were avenues in this episode where Diggle was sorely misused or not used in order to bring in Bam-Bam, who was totally inconsistent.
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Jan 31, 2014
Diggle doesn't get enough to do as it is so Roy joining Team Arrow may give him even less. This could be an opportunity to have more missions going at the same time though. Digg and Roy could team up whilst Oliver is elsewhere.

I wasn't getting bored with Roy's angry outburst so I'm glad Oliver revealed his identity, I just hope the kid keeps his mouth shut. I absolutely hate Slade and am not looking forward to the face off with Oliver even though it's inevitable.
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Feb 01, 2014
That's not the only problem here. Roy made even Arrow look useless. I was so angry. BT is such a damn strong villain. At times its like a scene between DeathStroke and Arrow to see Oliver get knocked around by BT. What kills me is that Oliver made Bam-Bam look weak, then BT and Oliver have that awesome fight scene where they were evenly matched. But at the end BT gets knocked out by Bam-Bam?! Really? I wanted Bam-Bam to realize how weak he really is and needs to control himself. That was just stupid ending there. That would have been a good time to bring in Diggle as the one that takes out the crate while the other two are doing their dance. Roy taking out BT...REALLY? Then he's ready for Death Stroke...who needs Arrow.
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Feb 03, 2014
Agree. Roy's strength is a problem and it would have been better to bring him to heel by showing him that his anger has real consequences. Putting the guy in the hospital didn't really help. It's too easy to believe that finding out Oliver's identity would make Roy humble.

If he gets outdone by some opponents who don't have the strength but have mad skills like Oliver or even Diggle, then hopefully he will come to realise that strength and rage don't make up for wisdom and skill. Maybe if he's used a few times to break down walls and nothing else, he'll realise he ain't all that. I'm interested to see where they go with his story as for right now he's still a ticking time-bomb but know he's armed with Oliver's secret.
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Jan 31, 2014
I really, really hate the use of 'mirakuru' on this show, and I honestly think it's just a way to appeal to the Japanese audience when it comes out in rental shops a year or so later than in the US. First of all, 'mirakuru' would only be a phonetic equivalent of the English word 'miracle', which not only makes it unlikely it was used during WWII on Japanese troops for testing, but should simply be called 'miracle' in English. Every time I hear people speaking natural English and including 'mirakuru' it makes me cringe.
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Feb 01, 2014
I thought I would like it. But I hate it too.
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Jan 31, 2014
I'm tired (10 hour journey yesterday) so I apologize if I'm not totally coherent. I liked the episode more than last week's but we still haven't hit one like the first 9 of this season. The writing doesn't seem as tight plot-wise. And while I don't have a problem with Roy joining Team Arrow, I do have a problem with how little Diggle is used lately. Totally agree with Noel and others on that. He is a MUCH better character than most on this show. I'm ready for a shift away from the Royd Rage since the effects are inconsistent, but I do appreciate the parallel to Slade. Manu sells it better though. Oh and Laurel - I am so over this character and this arc. That bar scene was the worst - the character is the worst. If she later becomes a part of Team Arrow (and subsequently a bigger part of the show) I'm afraid it will ruin the great team dynamic. It could make it unwatchable and I'd hate that. And they keep saying they want her transition to BC to mean something but WTH? I read the comics too and I don't know why they needed this trite, ridiculous story to get there. Dinah Lance was skilled in martial arts and came from a family of crime fighters - that's why she chose her path. I don't recall her being this angsty in any of the comics I read (the kidnapping/torture arc being one exception I can think of offhand.) And I know they want to put their own spin on it, but why follow the same path with all of them? They ruined The Huntress by spinning her as a jealous ex, and they've ruined Dinah Laurel Lance too. At this point I just want Laurel gone because I don't think I'll ever warm to her. She's childish, petty, cold, and comes off as self-motivated most of the time. Making her a hot mess doesn't change that - we just get more "Me! Me! *sob* Pity me!" So. Over it. Give me more of ANY character instead. Hell, film Barry's coma! Might be more interesting and I'd for sure care more. And finally Moira, lol. You know, when I read the episode summary I actually thought she might run against Blood and then dismissed the idea as silly - oh this show. Now Moira is a complex character. She's straight up shady but I still root for her. That's good acting and storytelling. But what's up with Walter? Is he going to plot with her against the OB? What was that about? Because he always struck me as straight and narrow. Loved the hint at forming the Suicide Squad. And Sara's back! I have a feeling we're headed towards an awesome S2 showdown.
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Feb 01, 2014
You know I hate Thea...she is just Marie Antoinette for me. But Moira is damn awesome. There is something just weird about her. I think she could become one of the most formidable villains on the show. Complex is the right word for her. As for Laurel...ugh...done with her.
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Jan 31, 2014
Ok, I am more or less ok with Roy in the team, I still want Laurel to disappear from Earth (or go to rehab or something). But what bothers me more about this episode was Moira deciding to run for mayor without even thinking in telling something to Olliver. That is so absurd that it made me mad.
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Jan 31, 2014
I agree with Vaberella that Diggle is more of a Person of Interest character whodeserves more screen time, and I agree with Rykos that the prison guard would never have turned his back on a killer. Otherwise, I liked this episode. A lot.

Where I disagree with most everyone is with Laurel and Roy. I've always like Roy's character and I think he's groing into a really good hero. And Laurel is a hot mess. Yeah she's lost weight this season, and she looks good. Really good. I'd keep her around for another season at least.
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Jan 31, 2014
My new name for Roy is Bam-Bam. Because his drama was so much like a baby that wants to hit things.

Laurel is a boozy- mean girl drunk. I have washed my hands of this character and find her irredeemable. She is a waste of space, time, and energy. There is nothing, absolutely nothing about her that is likable. She was mean to Thea, a girl who went through a lot of issues to get where she is now. She's the adult in the room and yet she looked like a petulant child.

Thank God, they didn't decide to dumb down Felicity this episode like they did last episode to make Laurel shine. She was on her A-game and I hope the writers keep that up. Because Laurel was pathetic last episode and making everyone look stupid for her was not a good plan.

Oliver, Oliver, Oliver...this man makes really poor decisions some times. Why would you take a hot-headed whelp like Bam-Bam with you on a mission, when a very capable soldier is in your basement dressed to the nines. I mean Diggle was such a better choice at the Merlyn scene. Not to mention seeing how Roy took out Bronze Tiger just makes Arrow look worthless. Although Roy is pretty worthless right now.

Diggle...he is totally the token Black man. This guy is supposed to be like John Reese in Person of Interest, not the Black servant. Ugh, sickening. I feel they are doing this to Diggle when they have worthless characters like Laurel getting unnecessary air time.

I'm excited by Sara and I love Quentin.

Not a great ep. I think the problem or common demonator for all the bad shows is the centric focus on Laurel. When she's not a primary focus, people are happier.
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Heroes with personal demons is not unheard of. (Goddamnit, this show has me defending the awfulness of Laurel Lance.) Iron Man had booze. Spidey was a selfish dick. Batman is 90% demons and 10% money. Ant Man had one incorrectly-drawn panel and now is forever branded as a wife-beater. Hawkeye sucks. Ollie was a selfish turd. Wolverine started as a villain, bub. So Laurel being a drunk sufferer hitting bottom and wallowing there isn't a problem for her to eventually find her own way to fighting crime and personal demons and dating issues with Ollie. So the show's only sin IMO is that they've made Laurel particularly unlikable as her foundation before they started deconstructing her, and it's hard to give a crap about her arc as she sinks.

Also, I will say that Laurel did a pretty good job of separating her inebriated user personality from her professional life this season, she was fairly competent as a lawyer (within the confines of this rather shallow show, obviously), and it only really affected coming into the office on time occasionally, I believe.

Damn you show for making me defend Laurel!
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Feb 01, 2014
True but her drama is ridiculously soapy and contrived compared to let's say Sara's issues, Oliver's issues, Diggle's issues, or even Roy's issues. Not only do these people have serious problems and things to work out, none of them picked up a vice. They picked themselves up and worked through their problems to get to where they are. It was a baptism by fire for all of the people above. Unfortunately, Laurel's issues are trivial in the scope of all those other people. Further more, I don't really know what bothers her. She ranges from being functional to being pissed off when she has a bad day. Why did she have to steal her father's prescription drugs; she gets called on it and then goes and drinks? It's just not interesting.
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Feb 01, 2014
Sara's issues are literally from a soap opera:
- screwing around with her sister's boyfriend on a yacht,
- yacht is blown up to kill the millionaire aboard,
- she's swept out to sea yet magically survives,
- she gets rescued by pirates,
- pirates working for a charismatic mad scientist,
- she becomes the sex slave of said scientist,
- she manipulates her sister's boyfriend,
- she betrays her sister's boyfriend,
- she betrays mad scientist,
- she escapes with sister's boyfriend,
- she eventually hooks up with the League of Assassins,
- she becomes a vigilante who fights for women's rights...

Sara's story is like straight out of a daytime soap, the only difference is that Sara's character wasn't given too much time and too little writing, they didn't spend a whole season making Sara an unlikable character.

By comparison, Laurel's story is actually far more grounded but impossible to take seriously because the producers have written the character into a corner of unlikability. Her woes are hardly trivial, they've just framed them very badly - if any of us were suffering these pains, they'd be an obvious weight. Hell, TMZ makes a mint out of people like this every day in real life.
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Feb 03, 2014
...I'm under 35... ;)
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Feb 02, 2014
Vaberella, we actually haven't sat through much of Laurel's soapy elements, we've just mostly sat through her CW-esque romances for the most part and flashbacks of a little suffering. And we don't know if Sara's broken down or not, we've not seen that whole 5 years.

Noel, Luke and Laura is a very dated reference, anybody under 35 I'm afraid won't know of America's favorite rape-based couple.
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Feb 02, 2014
Can't lie: I was honestly worried that Arrow was going to re-enact Luke/Laura with Ivo/Sara.

Also: Does a Luke/Laura reference make sense this day in age? I need to know if I need to update my horrible/redepemtive soap couple example.
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Feb 02, 2014
90% of which assume and interpret and given only about 30 second snippets of the live action. Not the play by play we are currently witnessing on screen which hurts the brain and very soap opera. Soap opera is the long duration of nonsense. At least with all you've mentioned for Sara we didn't actually sit through them. Exactly how I feel about Laurel now, is what I would have felt about Sara. Well the only other advantage is that Sara didn't break down to her very over dramatic situations unlike Laurel.
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Feb 01, 2014
I suppose we can call Thea, Pebbles........???
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Feb 01, 2014
Hey...works for me.
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Jan 31, 2014
Hehehe. Bam-Bam. I like it. Roy 'Bam-Bam' Harper. Yep. This is going to be a thing for me.
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Feb 03, 2014
Im sorry to say the beard ages u... I wouldnt hv guessed under 35. Though i love your reviews, thank you!
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Feb 01, 2014
Glad to help. :D
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Jan 31, 2014
I don't think it was a coincidence that Laurel wasn't featured in any of the promotion of Tremors. Unless she was in the stills (I can't remember.) She's not very popular with viewers overall.
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Feb 01, 2014
Do you think they did that because they were worried people might not be interested in watching the show? It's a smart move. All the other characters were far more interesting than her and her episode. I hate Thea, but Thea was great in the ep for the short time she had.
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Feb 01, 2014
I honestly think it's possible. I think the network makes those kinds of decisions. The Laurel-heavy promo for Blind Spot got a lot of negative reaction online. But that Deathstroke tease kind of saved it (and that could have been a epic surprise - I think they spoiled it to balance out Laurel.) Also, I usually look at Amell's FB page once a week to see if he's posted anything show related. He posted some Laurel pics and they got so few likes/comments, it was genuinely embarrassing. I think it's the only thing he's posted that has had so little support. Even the pic he posted of Nyssa Al Ghul was popular, and we don't know her yet. Sometimes silence says more than anything, and when everyone's buzzing about the guest stars while it's crickets for the female lead in her second season? It doesn't say anything good about her marketability, and you can't tell me that the network isn't aware of this.
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Feb 05, 2014
I don't know if you're right poetgirl925. I hope I don't spoil you but I was pretty excited by the Birds of Prey episode that would be coming out. Everyone I was around was like cool, we have BC, Huntress, and Felicity as maybe Oracle. Nada, for some stupid reason Laurel is the focal player in the story and it's around her that the Huntress and BC meet. All of the sudden I have lost a great deal of interest in the story.
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Feb 01, 2014
(She wasn't in any of the stills. I almost re-used one from last week since she wasn't.)
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Jan 31, 2014
OK episode! I don't like the Roy character too much, He and Laurel can leave for awhile and I would not miss them same goes for Oliver's sister Thea....,but that's just me. The show is starting to have too many characters in play mixing in all over the place with all kinds of problems of their own.

Off topic: when does the Summer Glau role come into play in a relevant way? I don't even remember the name of her character. So far she is just a very, very minor character.
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Jan 31, 2014
The character's name is Isabel Rochev, and I have not a clue. It's been setup that she has some skeletons in her closet, but as to what they are, that is unknown as of right now. Isabel's story may be longer than just one season and that's why it's taking a while to build there. The writers aren't shy about making their viewers wait for payoffs. Sometimes it's annoying, other times it's very satisfying. I guess we'll see one way or another soon.
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Jan 31, 2014
By my count they are down to 5 episodes where Isabel could make a substantive appearence, she was supposed to be a big threat to Queen Industries but right now the only threat she could be to Team Arrow is if she becomes Moria's campaign manager and digs up everyone's secrets.

And as a side note, Isabel was one of the names on the list.
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That's assuming that they even deal with Isabel in Season 2. I would not be surprised if Isabel is playing some long game that will not be revealed until Season 3. People forget that the Arrow writers are patient as hell with bringing back things and storylines and people. On some shows, yes, if something is not brought up every single episode or every other episode, it might make sense to start panicking that the writers have dropped a storyline... But the Arrow writers have never given us that particular burn before. Sure, sometimes the subtle approach doesn't always work, such as Laurel's drug problem (and Laurel all together) disappearing for several episodes before it finally was brought back up to the forefront, but for the most part, I really like the way they handle dangling story threads.
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Jan 31, 2014
I disagree w/ Quentin that in the AA meeting people had gone through worse I mean laurel, lost her sister, lost her boyfriend who was cheating on her with her sister, had to take care of her alcoholic father, lost her boyfriend, got abducted multiple times, nearly was filled w/ paraffin to be made into a doll by a serial Killer and to top it all off the 2 most important men in her live didn't trust her.
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Feb 01, 2014
Good points all around. If only they hadn't worked so hard beforehand to make the character unlikable, those things would have felt like true weights instead of leaving the audience with no compassion for the character whatsoever.
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Jan 31, 2014
I'm sorry, but people die. And sometimes people die a lot. That's not unique to Laurel, especially not in a city that just got 503 of their own. So to assume that none of those people in that meeting have it worse than Laurel? That's kinda shortsighted. I think of plenty of stories off the top of my head that are worse than Laurel's, and that's without even moving outside the scope of the show.
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One's personal grief isn't comparable to another's, suffering is suffering. To assume Laurel doesn't have it as bad as those folks is equally shortsighted as it is to assume she does.
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Yeah, but JT_Kirk...the problem is... Laurel assumed HER suffering was greater than the people in there and Quentin reminded her that it was not. She assumed, she went through something greater than anyone. He is having her recognize that she is NOT the only one going through hard times and there are people out there that may have greater issues than she has ever experienced. This is not on the scale of pain, but these are people who are taking an initiative to get help and work their problems. She on the other hand wants to wallow in it and self-pity. Oliver, Sara, and Diggle have been through some serious stuff in their life. Roy probably more considering where he was raised all his life and they found a way to channel their issues and give them reason. Laurel isn't even looking for that.

It's not an interesting storyline in the scope of everything going on in the show. I'd rather watch Death Stroke in those scenes and his angst.
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She's allowed to feel her pain in her time of suffering, the idea that she believes her pain is the worst comes from being the one experiencing it. The point of going to meetings is hearing others' suffering straight from the source and feeling comfortable enough to share from that when one is ready, but Officer Lance didn't give her that, he ambushed her with manipulative stuff.

Oliver and Sara have been through bad stuff and didn't magically get better over night, up until earlier in this storytelling year, Oliver was murdering people acting as judge, jury, and executioner, it's not like he didn't have to make his own mistakes too. And Sara went in with Ivo. Dig even had his own problems last season.
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Jan 31, 2014
It was good to see Bronze Tiger again was hoping to see more Deathstroke. Surprised Bronze Tiger didn't even have a scratch on him at the end.
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Moira Queen running for office is in the world of Arrow is like Dick Cheney running for office in ours. A completely ridiculous idea and I feel is currently the worst aspect of the show. Hopefully it gets as little screen time as possible.

Yes, Arrow is often silly and unrealistic, but it's one thing to accept that a prison guard would turn his back on a convicted murder after all evidence points to him killing a new cellmate, than it is, for a person who is perceived to have done so much damage to the city, to run for Mayor.
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Yeah i think they have just run out of things for Moira to do so they are giving her this.

I mean it's not uncommon for shows to do this, but it doesn't make it any less annoying. Next thing you know Laurel will be her campaign manager! Oh Laurel...
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Feb 01, 2014
OMG! They just might do that. Her prosecutor her campaign manager; how classic. It would give Laurel a job though.
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Jan 30, 2014
I really hope they build-up to a later season episode where Oliver and his allies (Roy, Huntress, Flash) have to team up to take on the Suicide Squad. That kind of ensemble episode would almost be worth the train wreck that is Laurel's multi-season angst arc.

I have an immense love for Manu and his portrayal of Slade lately. After last week's full-on Deathstroke reveal they need more of him on this show.
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Feb 01, 2014
I dunno, they tried that team up stuff on Smallville in the later seasons and it misfired and came off very cartoony for it, I don't think this team could do better.
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Jan 30, 2014
also, does anybody else feel that Tommy is far from dead? Malcolm already faked his own death, and mentioned that he'd learned very well how to do it. I am convinced that tommy is alive and training under malcolm and ras al ghul in nanda parbat?

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Jan 31, 2014
I've been suspicious they have been planning on bringing Tommy back for a while. I've seen fans seem to want Laurel dead more than they ever would have wanted Tommy to die.
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Jan 30, 2014
i thought this was a fantastic episode. i'd felt they were moving towards roy letting be known olivers identity, and now since he does know i assume it's only a matter of time (read season finale :P) where Thea finds out olivers identity as the arrow, as well.
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Jan 30, 2014
It's not the secret society Amanda Waller is building it's the Suicide Squad
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Jan 30, 2014
I like Roy but this whole incredible hulk I'm always angry shit is getting on my nerves, I'm glad that Sara is back again and I nearly jumped out of my chair when it looked like she might have the "REAL" Canary cry. Next week can't come fast enough; thank you February sweeps. FYI - I'm a fan of Michael Jai White but his Bronze Tiger is such a one dimensiaul character it's hard to watch.

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I know this would be a far stretch in the story line, but do you think it's possible that they could be setting up Felicity to become Artemis?
We know nothing about Felicity's personal life, I mean obviously she's not the Huntress's daughter, but they could spin it.
Thoughts???
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Jan 31, 2014
That's an interesting idea...

Producers mentioned early on that Felicity's personal life would get some screentime this season -- including meeting her parents -- but a recent interview made it sound like that idea may've been shelved for next season, what with everything else going on.
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I'm just really ready for them to start fleshing out her's and Diggle's characters. They've been sort of benched as side characters ever since they did that Laurel centered episode, and now we don't see much of them. Laurel ruins everything!!! I guess I just really want to see more of Team Arrow, less side stories.
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Jan 30, 2014
The is one of the best Arrow episode yet. Season 2 is really turning out to be so good. I am glad the story is always moving.

While season 1 is all about Oliver honoring Robert's memory, this season is not. I know of some shows who will go on with that for years. Arrow is determined not to be one of them which is great for viewers.

I only have 1 complain though. How is it that the house still have the Earthquake machine prototype. Should the authorities not search the house and found it by now?
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Jan 30, 2014
merlin is too smart to leave it anywhere it could have been found. but that does raise the question, how'd they know where to look? makes me think malcolm told them and is somehow involved in who the arms dealer was paid to deliver it to
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Jan 30, 2014
It was in the house. Any police force in the world with some sense would search it thoroughly. I would say Merlyn is smart if it was in some secret location or at least in some dungeon below but it was not. I am not saying Merlyn is not smart, I am saying it is bad writing.
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Jan 30, 2014
you very well may be correct in the poor writing :P
but it was in the garage fairly well hidden.. in toronto the cops don't xray the walls for hidden compartments holding earthquake machines.. not sure about the rest of the world, mind you :P
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Jan 31, 2014
You are right to say that any other cops in the world might not do it but this is the house of the person who is responsible for an earthquake in Starling City just not so long ago.
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Jan 30, 2014
I'm not Roy's biggest fan but I'm very excited for him to know Oliver's secret. Tbh I'm surprised it took so long, if I were Oliver I would have taken off my hood way earlier just to yell at him a little, like after his comment "What do you know about Thea?" (or something like that)

I'm not a fan of Laurel either and sadly the only thing I feel about her right now is embarrassment, not sympathy. Not even after this episode. I don't know if it's in the writing or the acting, but that scene in the bar was painful to watch, and not in the good way.
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Jan 31, 2014
IMO Laurel is to Arrow what Lana Lang was to Smallville.
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Jan 30, 2014
Choppy episode, poor writing. It had too much of everyone. Also featured lots of addictions. Laurel felt like a real character for a change:drinking, losing job, living in dirty apartment, reading weird books, being hungry...only took her a season and a half though. Roy's fist got an addiction - can't stop beating other men's faces while they are lying down. But I'd like to see Moira running against Blood. I like the actress and I think she can deliver. Just not everything in one episode please. Also I never noticed Diggle is just a prop on the set. I got too distracted by everything else.
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Jan 30, 2014
A much better episode than the last couple. However there were some issues. I still don't like Roy. But at least they have given him a new face, isn't of just confused face, now he has angry face. I guess that is an improvement. But they need to not do the thing that they did where Tiger got the drop on Oliver and Oliver did nothing, which then left an opening for Roy to actually be useful. They need to choreograph that better or it is going to become tiresome. Also inventing things for Roy to punch through is going to get grating.

I am fine with Laurel now. If her breakdown brings Sarah back that by all means be unlikable in every way. Because Sarah is good and I want her in the mix of the episodes. However bringing her back while Laurel was drunk was meh.

This was another huge waste of Michael Jai White. He really should be a more prominent bad guy. Mostly because he is awesome and for crying out loud where is the second season of Black Dynamite?

Moria's plot is more unbelievable that Roy getting super powers.

One of the problems I am having is the lack of Felicity and Diggle. They replaced two of the best characters with two of the worst. Please stop.
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Jan 30, 2014
I agree with this. Roy was alright and I felt had potential until this episode. Diggle needs air time. And Laurel...what a royal mess. I just don't know.
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Jan 30, 2014
Also, my poor Slade. He is really losing it, but I really do want to see his more of his villainous side. It is entertaining to watch.
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Jan 30, 2014
Nice to see that three 5 inch deep dagger wounds in your shoulder can be patched up with a bit of gauze. And yeah, if Slade can punch a hole in a guy's chest how come Roy repeatedly punching guys in the face doesn't even cause a fat lip to Tiger Man. He didn't even lose any swagger when talking to Waller at the end.
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Jan 31, 2014
When Roy was punching faces she is just hitting. Like a normal person hitting another, only stronger. When he tried to break the wall he has to concentrate and really use all his strenght. It's like an olympic athlete. He is not always using all his strenght.
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Feb 02, 2014
That's a nice way of justifying something really stupid...but i'll take it!
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Feb 01, 2014
You mean kind of like in the old superman tv shows, where Superman stood there taking all the bullets, but always ducked when an object was thrown at him?
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Feb 01, 2014
Something like that. Is like by default they are not in full superpower mode. Or something.
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Jan 30, 2014
I would like to vote a Suicide Squad TV show, because it's awesome AND gets more Michael Jai White on TV. Not that I wouldn't mind The Flash, but I see more story potential (and a hell of a way for DC to spin off a lot more media) in show full of villains and grey hats.

I liked most of the Ollie/Roy stuff and I'm glad they didn't drag out his reveal. Though that line about too many people knowing his identity is PROBABLY a bit of a hint we're gonna lose another Team Arrow ("I call it that.") member sometime soon, and I have a feeling it'll be Diggle. I love Diggle and his relationship with Ollie, but he's the most "expendable" now (considering everyone else is actually part of comic lore. Diggle was added, but just recently).

I also see Paul Blackthorne going bye bye in the near future. Yes, poor Katie is saddled the with terrible soap opera drunk storyline, but within that is a guy who's trying to help the one daughter he still (at this point) has in a world he's beginning to realize is getting harder to do the right thing. A lot of his scenes with Laurel almost feel like Peter Parker/Uncle Ben exchanges. Even in the bad parts of Arrow, you can almost see the writers trying to work with the better elements. (They may be trying to fix Laurel, but damn are they punishing her now). Thea is a great example of fixing a character that started off REALLY bad.

The Moira stuff? Eh, we'll see. Good to see Walter back, but I wouldn't trust Krycek. Obviously Barrowman will play a part here. BTW, even for TV, that whole Queen family is crazy attractive.
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Jan 30, 2014
The Squad isn't on DC's radar as a spin off show; there are already 5 or 6 TV shows being planned so DC are kinda busy. Also a Squad show wouldn't work unless there was a high body count on the team, which makes character development a little difficult.
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Jan 30, 2014
Good episode. I have a love-hate relationship with Roy Harper because he can be great one minute then annoying the next. I had a feeling Oliver was going to tell him his secret, which I guess the right time. I mean I would not want someone I do not know training me. I love when Roy said 'Team Arrow' Ha. He might just be a great addition to 'Team Arrow'. I am actually feeling more and more sorry for Laurel. I mean she really annoyed in Season 1 & a little bit of Season 2, but she is starting to grow on me. I like the way they are breaking her down then they are going to build her back up. Hopefully, her story-line improves.
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Jan 30, 2014
I'm usually terrible at noticing ridiculous lines, they just pass me by, but hearing this one was like being stabbed in my ear canal with an arrow:

Thea: Well, you did run a multi-million dollar company.
Moira: Yes, and an undertaking that destroyed the city.
Thea: People will get over that.

Really?! OK, that settles it then.
A filthy rich person destroys a city, kills hundreds of people and gets away with it? Yeah, that'll get the sympathy of all the voters. It's pretty annoying when writers brush off problems by using sweeping statements that basically just say "it'll all be OK" or "no biggie". First there's an issue that'll cause problems in the future, but one sentence later it has become a non-issue.

Positive thing about the episode: Nice to see Naevia and Crixus back on the same show.
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Feb 01, 2014
Honest people don't lie and cheat enough to get elected in this day and age, so Moira's perfect for the job, especially in comic books. That said, Brother Blood has more of those attributes.
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Jan 31, 2014
You also have to remember that the logic isn't just one way. Yes, people are going to be hard pressed to forgive her, but are you telling me that there's not at least half the people who would hear her circumstances and think, "Well, what would I have done?" The logic in this storyline is that at least half the people in the city can understand Moira's position in regards to the Undertaking, and the polling numbers - as they said - stated that number at around 45% (I don't remember the exact figure). Considering that they have weeks of campaigning that can garner more support, it makes sense that political party would believe that they could close that margin before voting time.

It was illogical to assume in the first place that all of Starling City hated Moira completely after the Undertaking. She went on live TV to try to warn the people in the Glades, and as many people who lost lives that night, there were probably hundreds more who she saved. That's something to consider when think about how illogical it is that people could forgive her.

Now, is forgiveness enough to get her elected? No. Which is why Thea brings up the fact that Moira ran Queen Consolidated quite well and is a respected business woman (Undertaking aside) and many other things. Thea's position made perfect sense. She was - in her mind - probably one of the biggest haters of Moira, and she learned to forgive her. If she could do that, couldn't the rest of the people of Starling City? No, not the rest, but maybe enough to get her elected. At the very least, it would get Moira's face out there and bring some pride back to the Queen name. It makes sense.
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Jan 30, 2014
See why I will always hate Thea. She's a Marie Antoinette.
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Jan 30, 2014
If Lex Luthor can run for President...
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Jan 30, 2014
but look how that turned out....
I mean after he won.
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Jan 30, 2014
It turned out a mecha of Composite Superman!!
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Jan 30, 2014
Good episode, I like that Oliver revealed himself to Roy, and that he brought him to meet Felicity and Diggle. I liked the flashback to the island (no particular reason other than I LOVE Manu Bennett, so any way we get him in an episode is fine with me). Laurel's continuous downward spiral doesn't bother me as much as others because I feel like it is leading us somewhere with her character - especially since Sara showed up at the end of the episode. Laurel gets a lot of hate so I am not going to jump on that bandwagon, but I HOPE the writers can somehow turn around her character in the next few episodes - I feel like this is the beginning of her change, she is literally at rock bottom and now a sister who betrayed her in more than one way (sleeping with Oliver and fake death) has popped back into her life. THIS is the time for writers to step it up with her character - lets see if they can do it. Can I say the previews excite me even more - Katrina Law is popping in next week as Nyssa al Ghul - is Arrow just grabbing up everyone from Spartacus (a show I LOVED), cause I say keep it up (three actors from that show have now appeared in Arrow - Crixus (Slade), Naevia (Amanda Waller), and now Mira (Nyssa al Ghul). MORE DIGGLE!!
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Jan 30, 2014
Don't know why they're dinking around with Hourman and The Flash. Give us a Suicide Squad spinoff, stat.

Particularly since Smallville mauled that concept up so badly...

Apologizes to fans of those two heroes, but let's see. We can see the adventures of a guy who clutches at his head and says, "Oh nose! Something's going to happen in an hour and Kyle Chandler isn't around with his newspaper and his cat, so I'm going to have to stop it. (super strength optional?)."

Or a guy with superhuman speed who will inevitably forget to use it and the villains will cold-cock him. Because somebody who can move that fast is pretty much unbeatable against 95% of enemies. This happened in the 90s Flash series every other episode. And a lot of the comic books. Guy who can break the speed of sound and vibrate through objects, versus guy with a flamethrower or guy who throws boomerangs. Bets, anyone?

Instead let's have a hardened group of villains and the occasional "broke" hero. without any real super-powers, taking on Mission:Impossible style assignments, wisecracking back and forth, and forced to work for the government they hate.

Which would you choose?
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Feb 02, 2014
got my vote
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Jan 30, 2014
Flash...
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Jan 30, 2014
But then again, I'm biased... :)
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Jan 30, 2014
Oh, you're trying to get TV fans to read?
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Jan 30, 2014
The credits, at any rate. :)
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Jan 30, 2014
According to Amell, there is an Island-centric episode coming up soon (within the next 3 episodes I believe). My only two (well..three) notes about this episode are as follows...

-I'm totally on board with this Moira Queen storyline. Love the idea. She's their best actor so it's nice to see her have something to do and this offers up so many possibilities from her taking on Blood to all the potential storylines if she does win. I've always felt she needed to be in a position of power and this fall from grace storyline needed to wrap up. Also, when can we get Walter back full-time? Love that guy.
-Arrow has officially ruined 3/3 of Sara's introductions. Her reveal to both Oliver and her dad was done with little fanfare and now Laurel sees her in a drunken stupor? We don't even get a reaction shot? Ugh. This character. This alcoholic storyline has also been handled horribly. While I like the idea that Laurel's grief is being explored and they're treating Tommy's death like it had a real consequence, this has felt so forced and unoriginal from the start. They've basically ripped off every after school special and (while I believe it was hinted at that her father suffered from some similar problem when her mother left) it's never been set up that she has a history of dependency problems so it just feels like they're throwing this at her to give her something to do.
-Finally, I really miss Diggle. He's there but he's not. First his screentime was shot in the face in favour of making everything about Felicity and now Roy will be eating up equally as much time so Diggle is just serving less and less of a purpose. It's a shame because he's such a good actor and such a likable presence on the show.
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Jan 30, 2014
The island episode must be either episode 15 or 16, as #17 is BoP
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Jan 31, 2014
I'm mostly curious as to what Episode 20 is going to be since that was going to be the backdoor pilot for Flash. Maybe Oliver will go on an roadtrip with a pilot across America fighting retired Nazis and anti-union labor bosses...
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Jan 31, 2014
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Jan 31, 2014
Season finale. Episode 21 would be their trip to Matlus
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Jan 30, 2014
I have an Island issue...you know how last week the Island cutaways were so random? I thought maybe pushing the two together matched up with one of either of the episodes (probably this one) and I know it is the March 5 episode where we are Island centric (and the budget for most of the season is spent) but it just feels sort of weirdly paced. I was sort of oddly happy to see the glimmer of the Oliver we know appear at the end of the Island stories.

Have I totally made it clear I have no knowledge of the Green Arrow world? I have no real idea who the Suicide Squad is, but I guess my thoughts were, hey, where is Lyla? Has Diggle ever mentioned to Oliver that ARGUS, or at least Amanda Waller, knows who he is? And they sort of help Oliver at least on the Slade front or the League of Assassins front right? I couldn't help but notice that both Oliver and Ben (I'm not calling him the Bronze Tiger) seemed to, I don't know, be weirdly friendly about fighting with each other? Comic book people is there ever a day they do actually work together?

I have a weird idea....so Nyssa Al' Ghul is holding Dinah hostage to get Sara to agree to come back. But maybe Nyssa is a much more reasonable person and they reach a compromise...Laurel needs help, what if Nyssa could provide her that help and agrees to take Laurel back with her instead of Sara as a hostage to the rest of the world, but really to help her and train her. But Sara has to stay put. Sort of a mutual destruction sort of agreement between Nyssa and Oliver.
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Jan 31, 2014
Diggle's not allowed to talk any more.
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Jan 30, 2014
"I'm not trying to Monday morning quarterback...it's Wednesday..." Felicity, you're awesome

For as much info as was revealed, this really felt like a setup show. Oliver revealed his identity, Sarah revealed she was alive, key details revealed as to how Slade got to where his is and Moyra potentially revealing her inner villain, Waller revealing her secret plans...but, I dunno...it all felt so, "You'll see where this all is going in a few episodes". I like it and these things are necessary, but still.

With Roy now joining team arrow, I expect we'll be seeing more of the clubhouse which hopefully means more Diggle and more Felicity and that can't ever be a bad thing.
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Jan 30, 2014
More Felicity? How much more can they possibly shoe-horn in Felicity? She's practically getting more screentime than Oliver as it is. Do we need her going out on her own adventures now? Or maybe she should just get her own spin-off and it can be all Felicity 24/7. She is without a doubt the most needlessly overused character on television and it's really starting to make her unlikable as her purpose is pretty thin as it is. She presses buttons and deadpans one-liners, that's it.
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Jan 31, 2014
Hyperbole, much? She was not in this episode or the last episode very much at all. She wasn't even in the first episode of season 2b at all either except to argue with Oliver, push a few buttons, and then the apology scene. Three scenes is more than Oliver? Ha.

This is not an attack on you, just your word usage. I totally understand that if you don't like her, then every time she's on screen, it feels like it takes forever. That's how I feel about Laurel. Even when her scenes are minimal, it feels like way too much. But c'mon, more scenes that Oliver? Yeah, no.
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Jan 30, 2014
You are a minority...thank the Gods.
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Jan 30, 2014
Very well said. Season 2 Felicity has been a nightmare.
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Jan 30, 2014
I see you like your hyperbole a whole lot more than Felicity {shrug} to each his own
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Jan 30, 2014
ARROW PLEASE RE-CAST ROLE OF LAUREL!!! OR KILL HER FROM THE SHOW!!! Bitch must die...her scene's are already enough unbareable without that fake "oh my god,I am so wasted" scenes.

Great episode,great point on Diggle...he is just there for...well nothing now really. We can say he is Ollie's moral compas on what to do,but that also Felicity does...and she is tech wiz,so Diggle needs to step it up.
Flashback will be something alone the lines of Ollie,Slade and Sarah making it to ship,there Slade learns,why Shado died,things go horribly wrong,probably League there and Sarah is kidnapped or something,but she is gone from there on. Ollie and Slade battle it out at some point later on I think.

Ughh politics...and perfect schmuks...I can vote now...like anyone you vote will make a difference!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE,IT'S A GLOBAL SCAM!!
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