Arrow "Unchained" Review: Of Web-Nukes and Civil Wars

Arrow S04E12: "Unchained"

Last week's Arrow was a frustrating chain of piece-moving with little in the way of immediate momentum. It was so forward-looking that it struggled to have a really interesting narrative in the here and now. "Unchained" didn't have this problem, nor did it really have all that many problems, apart from the sheer repetition of "Oliver, you need to stop taking all this guilt on you." But then Oliver is really bad at listening to people, so maybe he needed to hear it three or four times plus have a meditative vision of Shado telling him the same thing in the flashback.

No, the pleasure in "Unchained," at least in contrast to "A.W.O.L.," was that it wasn't about setting up and then delaying gratification. Instead, it ended up an entertaining first installment of a stealth two-parter, which, by the way, is the best way to do two-parters. It prevents the first part from being boring exposition delivery and deck chair arranging for the fun stuff in the next part.

Many of our more popular TV dramas are heavily serialized, and it's easy to lose the value of an installment of the story if the episode is really an artless set-up to be paid off later. With "Unchained" and—fingers crossed—next week's episode, we'll have enough story for a couple of episodes that can still have some ramifications for the show's universe going forward. So while the war within the League did not interest me (too little too late, really), a possible cure for Thea did (I do not want her to die), and Calculator/Mr. Smoak's (Tom Amandes) arrival in Star City was a good story for Felicity given the current state she's in readjusting to her life. All of these elements worked on an episodic level, and that's really what I cared about this week.

Better still, most of it was pretty solidly executed, too. So instead of Calculator popping up to destroy Star City simply because the show needed a villain this week, he dragged Roy into the mix as his man in the field which provided just enough of a twist on the villain-of-the-week-wants-to-take-down-the-city formula. Likewise, Arrow's usual approach is that there's not a victim involved in the villain's plan beyond Star City, so having someone that needed saving added a little extra weight to the episode and kept things from getting too stale, or, worse, just being a collection of scenes cutting between Emily Bett Rickards and Amandes typing on keyboards and trash talking each other. Even though we still got that, too.

So, yes, despite my fun theory at the end of Season 3 about Damien Darhk being Felicity's dad, I've been a bit relieved the show never really went that way (Andy and Felicity's dad being in H.I.V.E. might've been a bit too much, yeah?). I mean, Felicity still ended up with an evil dad anyway... just not a super-duper world-destroying evil dad. And it's probably better that Felicity's dad was the Calculator, too. Just based on this episode, he's a man whose goals may've resonated with Goth Hacker Felicity, a man looking to shake things up and make a statement. While Felicity's crisis of self last week might've been a better time for Calculator to show up—strong thematic parallels and all that—it's possible that Calculator will end up as another reminder of the life and goals that Felicity gave up after college and shenanigans of Cooper Seldon.

I'm sure Calculator will wage a "Join me, and we can rule the Internet as father and daughter!" sort of campaign, and while I don't think it's one that Felicity will be interested in—again, maybe if it had happened last week—she'll be forced to reconcile how to deal with the man and his sudden interest in her. What strain will that cause between her and Donna? What happens once his identity of the Calculator is discovered? There's some solid Felicity material here, and it's Felicity material that's largely free from her relationship with Oliver, and that'll be a nice change of pace.

Less interesting, and this is mostly on me, was the civil war within the League of Assassins. I get that if there was a seasonal storyline to put on the backburner in favor of setting up Legends of Tomorrow, you choose Damien Darhk over an assassins' guild civil war because Darhk's the Big Bad and Neal McDonough is playing him. Also wisely, the show planned ahead a little bit and took away Thea's bloodlust so it was a non-factor while it did everything else it needed to do before the winter break.

I liked that the effects of the bloodlust (but not the bloodlust itself) came roaring back in a chest-wound-opening-and-closing sort of way, but I didn't need the promise of some magical elixir to make it really interesting, nor did I need Nyssa offering it in exchange for Oliver killing Malcolm for two reasons. The first reason I didn't need it was because, well, Thea's dying and someone from Nanda Parbat was offering Oliver a way to save her, provided he does what they ask. Again. We've done this already, and it wasn't interesting the first time. The second reason, and hopefully this gets explained next week, was that I'm not super-clear on why Nyssa couldn't just kill Malcolm herself. I'm guessing that Nyssa's faction within the League still recognized Oliver as Ra's al Ghul and saw Malcolm's ascension as plotting and dealmaking... which wouldn't be all that different from what Nyssa's basically doing right now.

Regardless of the reasons why Oliver has to do it, the show has given me almost no foundation to really care about any of this apart from how it impacts Thea's life (that I like Nyssa helps, too). And this says more about Thea than it does anything else, though, because I have to imagine that if you're not invested in Thea, then this plotline has to be just dullsville... unless Nanda Parbat is your favorite aspect of the show. The upside is that while it'll like the the crux of next week's episode, maybe Nanda Parbat will just fade away again after it.



FROM THE QUIVER

– Yeah, I basically refused to engage in the emotional core of the episode re: Oliver's guilt complex, but I feel like we've been over this in one way or another before. Thea's bloodlust and Felicity being in a wheelchair are fresh spins on Oliver being/seeing himself as a screw-up, but there were just other, more interesting things to write about this week.

– A little movement on the campaign front: Darhk's wife announced her candidacy for mayor, and that means we're going to have a debate episode! Or at least I hope it does. I'm such a sucker for these stories.

– Happy that we had Curtis back this week. I miss Curtis when he's not around.

– Arrow spent a lot of money on those camo outfits this season and, by god, they're going to use them every chance they get.

– Which, speaking of, Oliver took down like seven or nine dudes by himself. I know Oliver is basically supposed to be Batman, but let's not stretch it. Also: Let's continue to stay away from choppy, nonsensical editing. YOU'VE BEEN DOING SO WELL, SHOW.

– I haven't done one of these in a while! AmerTek and Cadmus are both comic-book references. AmerTek was the company that Steel, a Superman ally, worked for, while Cadmus is typically a super-shady genetics research/off-the-books last-line-of-defense against superheroes going rogue.

– Not a single math or calculator joke. I should just rewrite the whole thing.

– "Man, I cannot believe you shot me." "Really?"

– Going to direct you all to titan4lizife's post about Arrow and its fondness for killing off women in its narrative. Good corrective on something I should've really addressed already. (Poor Tatsu is probably doomed.)

What did you think of "Unchained"?

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Feb 07, 2016
You lot down bugger off keep flagging everybody and we get rid of them for good peace out
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Feb 07, 2016
OK I didn't even look below to check if someone else has made this reference yet, but was this Arrow's version of that one episode of Saved By the Bell where Zack dates the girl in the wheelchair!? I think it might be! Although, I wish we could have had a basketball game to drive the point home!! -Sorry, all you people in wheelchairs out there! I know I am being a dick about this, but I do hate the pandering aspect of it! -Otherwise, I do enjoy the Felicity kicking ass in her wheelchair, like we all knew she could.
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Feb 07, 2016
"That's his superpower. Guilt Arrow."
Roy punching Oliver was pretty funny
"I don't want to hurt you."
"I don't want you hurt me either.
"Well i'm gonna need to take that."
"Oh, I think you might have to hurt me then." that was hilarious
Curtis did pretty well though!
It was good to see hallucination Shado!
Nyssa vs Katana was cool! also good to seeing them
"Why would I want to take down the net? I'm addicted to funny cat videos."
"I am the Demon's Head. I have my resources and I know how to put my ear up against a door."
Roy sliding down that zip line was badass!!
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Feb 06, 2016
"I am the Demon's Head, I have my sources...and I know how to put my ear to a door." -Malcolm Merlin, ladies and gents
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Feb 06, 2016
Just when I was getting a little bit interested in the story, after seeing so many problems in the previous episodes, the writer's have to come with a small doozy.

"He needs a really, really, really, really, really substantial power source."

"What does he need?"

"A new five volt battery."

Damn.
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Feb 05, 2016
Despite the fact that i loved seeing Roy (I am a fan ok) and the twist with the Calculator being Felicity's dad was good - this episode was so-so

It's kinda making it obvious that Thea isn't in the grave either - i just don't want the reveal to be disappointing (like Felicity's mam or something)

I really don't understand why so many people love Nyssa and think Katrina Law is a good actress - the scene with Tatsu was EMBARRASSINGLY bad - really don't get the love for her at all

But atleast this episode was better than the drag racing shit that happened on The Flash
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Feb 08, 2016
The more this season progresses the more I think it's either Diggle or Laurel that are in the grave.
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Feb 08, 2016
I hope so - i'd rather see it being someone we are familiar with than someone who means nothing to us
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Feb 08, 2016
Yeah, I agree I'm okay with Thea, Diggle or Roy - But I don't know about Katie Cassidy.
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Feb 05, 2016
I loved Curtis in this episode! He has some moves :)
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Feb 05, 2016
now the build-up of the season is beginning! I'm so excited for the next episodes!

I love how Felicity is learning to deal with her being in the wheelchair..figuring how to use it and thanks to Curtis' talk, encouraging the to give the presentation *hubby was so proud*!
I don't know why I was so OMG when she saw her dad, because we all knew it but still the moment still had me leap out of my bed.

I really missed Roy, this episode just showed me how much I do miss him. I loved the scenes with Thea and him *TEARS*

The flashbacks weren't that bad imo. I'm curious how Oliver is going back to being super dark because now it seems like his hallucination of Shado made him nothing like S1 Oliver.

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Feb 05, 2016
The scene between Thea and Roy, so many feels. That was the first time I've seen such emotion in them both like that. It was really wonderful.

Such a good episode. Full of action, suspense, and surprises. I can't believe that guy is Felicity's dad. Do you guys think he knows that she's the other hacker he was talking to? Hmmm...
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Feb 05, 2016
I found this episode nonsensical, with people randomly showing up. The only thing that really interested me was the Calculator being Felicity's dad and Curtis being awesome.

My bet is that all the Lotus thing is a plan of Malcolm who is somehow testing Olliver or fighting with a rogue faction. Why I think so? Becaus there is no way that he knew about the Lotus (as Nyssa said) and hadn't go for it himself. He cares for Thea! And he also have contacts so he probably knew KAtana was the current guardian.

Shado? That was too much.
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Feb 05, 2016
When did Roy get a personality? When did they decide to finally write lines for Roy other then, "I'll beat the streets" and "yeah" and "no" and "Theeeeeeaaaaaaa!".

I think this is the first time I've seen Colton ACT in this show. It was kinda fun. I hope they bring him back some more. It's nice to take some of the man meat attraction off of doofy overly whiny Arrow every now and then. (That's right Mr. "I feel so guilty" whiny Arrow. Get off the cross! We need the wood!)

PS Still hate Laurel but I like Mr. Terrific. Need more of him! And just what happened to the thrown "T Sphere"... Didn't quite get that.
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Feb 05, 2016
Instead of taking forever to do a recap (they take me forever cuz I watch so much tv I almost never remember what happened last episode), I’m just gonna jump into the new episode and remember/recap anything important as I go if need be:

Oh that's right, I forgot that Neal McDonough's wife is triflin as f*ck too. She's in on the whole thing with him. I can't really blame her tho cuz he's Neal McDonough and I would do anything for him too. I mean have you seen his eyes?!

Damn. So Nyssa's trying to kill Malcolm. Do you girl. Although, I do kinda like Malcolm. I know I shouldn't but I can't help it.

Some of Malcolm's men have turned on him! I guess it really is hard to find good help these days.

Thea passed out! Does this mean she's gonna die? I kinda hope so. She's not as bad Laurel (but who is? Laurel's the worst) but I've never been a fan.

I love Curtis so much.

Is this dude implying that cuz she's in a wheelchair, that could sink the presentation? NOT COOL DUDE. What a DOUCHEBAG.

So if Thea doesn't take a life, the bloodlust will leech from her life.

Is this thief doing parkour?! IS IT ROY?! The show has already announced that he's coming back and we all know how he loves parkour.

Damn, Stephen Amell is in excellent shape cuz he's beating through the thing.

IT IS ROY! But why is he stealing?

Neal McDonough's wife is running for mayor now? Not good. She looks evil. She looks like she might even be more evil than him.

They are working Oliver over good! Being electrocuted had to be the worst torture (other than flaying. And the blood eagle).

Who saved Oliver?

Is that Shadow?! Or Shadow's sister?

Oliver is actually scheduling a meeting with Neal McDonough. Dude. Why? You think he's gonna answer your questions about why his wife's running for mayor? He's more than likely not. NEAL MCDONOUGH DOESN'T ANWAR ANYBODY'S QUESTIONS!

Someone's trying to blow up the internet? What the hell kinda asshole would do that?! I need my anime and Amazon Kindle books, you bastard.

Is Curtis about to have his accident?! PLEASE SAY YES!!

COME ON CURTIS!!

CURTIS!!!! Is he ok?

Oliver shot Roy! I'm sure he's fine tho.

Roy had a tech contact in his eye. So who sent him?

THE CALCULATOR?! THAT'S WHAT SOMEBODY IS CALLING THEMSELVES?!?! AHAHAHAHA I hope that's not a real DC character name.

So it's not Shadow. This is just a hallucination? Well then I don't care. FAST FORWARDING.

Kinda don't care about this Nyssa storyline.

Who is Nyssa fighting? Is that the wife of whats-his-face that took Oliver to the Pit? What was her name again?

Thea's wound from Ra's is opening up. She's really close to dying. Is she gonna end up accidentally killing Roy? Some have posited that he's the one in the grave.

So The Calculator wants to kill everyone in Star City? But why tho? Everyone is ALWAYS trying to kill everyone in Star City.

Good pep talk Curtis. I love you.

Does Oliver really think Neal McDonough is gonna give a flying f*ck about saving his sister?

Malcolm has a point. It is Thea's life and it is her decision.

This whole "action" sequence with the team trying to take oug the bomb and Felicity's banter with The Calculator, isn't really doing it for me. Kinda bored. Maybe it's cuz I'm sleepy.

Roy is gonna sacrifice himself?! Is Roy gonna die. Is it him in the grave?! I hope not cuz this is wack. They've built up the whole "someone's dying" thing and they especially framed it in a way to imply they die as a result of Neal McDonough. If its Roy who dies cuz Neal McDonough kills him or one of Neal McDonough's men kills him, fine. That's good tv imo. But if he dies over something as wack and lame as The Calculator wanting to kill thousands of people for some random ass reason, it's going to be a major disappointment and cop-out for me. Not to mention, why would Barry be at his grave. He didn't know Roy like that.......WAIT. OR MAYBE THIS COULD BE WHERE HE GETS HIS ARM! Maybe he's injured and has to have his arm amputated and he gets his bionic one. That'd be cool. I could live with that.

HE MADE IT! UNINJURED! While I'm glad he's alive, I'm kinda disappointed his arm wasn't injured cuz I kinda got excited for his bionic arm.

I care absolutely nothing about Oliver and his flashbacks and the fact they still exist irks my nerves.

Aaww, Oliver looked like he was gonna cry at Felicity's speech.

THE CALCULATOR! WTF? WHY IS HE HERE?! IS HE GONNA STEAL THE POWERCELL?

THE CALCULATOR IS FELICITY'S DAD?! Guess we know where she got her computer skills from.

THEA'S IN A COMA!!!

Damn. Nyssa just popped up outta nowhere. First of all, why is she here? How did she know? It's not like Malcolm told her.

There's an elixir? So yet another, deus ex machina? Great. But again, how did she know to being the elixir? Clearly Malcolm didn't know about it or he'd have brought it. So how exactly did she know?

Aaaand, Oliver has to be the one to kill Malcolm why? Why can't Nyssa do it? She's a much better fighter than Oliver. Plus she actually has the desire to kill where Oliver doesn't. Why exactly does she need Oliver to save her? Why does Oliver have to get involved in league business again? This is wack as f*ck. Nyssa is a badass. I see no reason for her to come crawling to Oliver for him to kill the big bad Malcolm for her. The writers just diminished her badass-ness. Like, could you f*cking NOT?! And for what? LAME.

Final Thoughts: I'm intrigued by this whole Felicity/The Calculator thing. What I don't care for, is yet another thing that can be used to save someone's life. I feel like the writers keep backing themselves into corners with dumb sh*t and then have to pull some more dumb sh*t outta their asses. Not cool. Also not cool, is Nyssa needing Oliver to take out Malcolm for her and there's no legit reason I can think of for why she can't do it herself other than because the writers need her to beg Oliver and get him involved in something he doesn't need to be involved in. This is exactly like Ra's when he kept bothering Oliver just cuz..........some stupid ass convoluted reason that made no sense to anyone but the writers. Not feeling the forced conflict. Let's not and say we did? How bout that?
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Feb 05, 2016
You just made me wanna watch the episode Lexie! CHEERS:-) Like you, I'm still gonna fast forward through the flash backs though
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Feb 06, 2016
The flashbacks are THE WORST. Why are they even still happening? The only interesting one this whole season was the one with Constantine. All the rest? BORING ASF.
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Feb 05, 2016
Mmm, I am not sure, but I think Nyssa wants Oliver to kill Malcolm because he is Ra's al Ghul. I mean, Nyssa publicly (for the LoA) accepted him as the leader. But the man that actually killed the old Ra's and became his heir could do it. Basically, she cannot kill him herself because of politics.
And the chick she is fighting is Tetsu, a.k.a. Katana. The one from the Japanese flashbacks and a badass one. And yes, she is the wife of the man that helped Oliver.
Oh, and the Calculator is a real DC name.
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Feb 05, 2016
That's a good point. I hadn't considered the politics of it all.

The Calculator is a real character name?! Ahahahaha but it's so wack!
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Feb 06, 2016
I don't know if that is the reason, I just hope it is, because it's a plausible one. I wouldn't one a "she is too weak to kill Malcolm"
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Feb 06, 2016
I hope you're right. The show making her weak just as a way to force Oliver into the mix would be really lame.
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Feb 05, 2016
For me, the real problem with Unchained was the weight of the backstory constantly sitting on the episode's chest at nearly every turn. That was biggest from the mystery of "who's that?" when we saw characters and every time it was "who is that again?" Shado barely was recognizable, and I didn't know who the new mayoral candidate was at all despite the show expecting me to know, I had to guess that was Darhk's wife.

Yeah, the editing was really challenging this episode, totally true.

Overall, I liked Calculator a lot even before the big reveal, and Roy worked well back in action. The flashbacks were challenging but not horrible I guess. I dunno, I saw other reviews very positive and I kinda scratched my head, it wasn't bad but it wasn't great to me.
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Feb 05, 2016
Well, the episode showed who Damien Dhark wife was in the "previously", so it was not too much to ask you to remember her face. And she was identified by name in the political campaign poster (we learnt her name in the episode where she was introduced). And I had no trouble identifying Shado but even if I had Oliver used her name as soon as he saw her face, so no big deal.
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Feb 05, 2016
Her name was "Ruve' Adams" on the poster, not exactly a big giveaway. Apparently she gave that name to police in a brief scene back in Dark Waters on Dec 9th, 2015. You are expecting too much from the audience.
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Feb 06, 2016
No, she is mentioned by name (Ruvé, not Ruvé Adams) in the episode where Oliver saved her life, which was on Jan 20. And her face was shown in the "previously" . So I don't think I am expecting too much.
But it helps that I am familiar with the actress, so I wouldn't confound her with any other person. She is Margot Kidder niece, from Continuum and Gracepoint.
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Feb 05, 2016
Dr. Abbott is that you?
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Feb 05, 2016
I like how incompetent the League is still being portrayed as. And how that silly rescue attempt made no sense. Nyssa didn't need the knife to escape. All she did was run up, kick the door open, knock the guard down and slit his throat. If she didn't have the knife, she would have run up, kicked the door down, grabbed his dropped sword, and slit his throat. Hell, she abandoned the knife right after and took up his sword anyway. I suppose it was arguably part of a bigger scheme, and the knife was just her way of saying they could move forward because everything was in place, but still, could they just try and make the League feel a little more threatening?
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Feb 05, 2016
Well, that's how the fight between Oliver and Rha's should have ended. "We're evenly matched." Great! The girls stop fighting and save their breath for a wholesome conversation. So funny!
Don't care for Nanda Parbat, as I don't care too much about Thea. But I wouldn't want her to die on Oliver, that would throw him over the edge, for sure. He has already Felicity to worry about (and why doesn't he call Ray and his nanobots? Or Star Labs? There should be a way to get Felicity out of that chair).
As we have been told, that the grave is not Felicity's, I'm suspecting, that Oliver will turn down Nyssa's proposition, which is a really poor move on her side. If she wants to rule, she should be able to off Malcolm herself. But if I had to choose, I'd rather keep Malcolm around. Why can't the two of them play nice? After all, there's no pit, the chances, that the new Rha's will need a new heir soon, are rather in Nyssa's favor.
All in all, it was a rather entetaining episode. Felicity going against her own dad was interesting and I liked having Roy back for a tiny bit. Now, he can ride into the sunset, get married and have a bunch of kids.
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Feb 04, 2016
And with Felicity being alive in the Flash Forward, we're now being teased that Thea is the one in the grave and the person Oliver swore to kill is Malcolm Merlyn! Yay?

2 theories on why Nyssa doesn't straight up murder Malcolm herself and become Ra's Al Ghoul-

1. Nyssa's been trying to kill him 24/7 for months already but Malcolm's bested her again and again to the point where he considers a murder attempt "sparring practice."

2. Ra's specifically chose Oliver to be his heir, and fought Oliver so Ollie could assume control (though he had to do it sooner than he expected due to Ollie trying to kill him on the plane.) Oliver then chose Malcolm as his heir and, since Ra's stated that the Demon's Head can do whatever he wanted with the League's rules, waived the fight to the death rule and gave the league to Malcolm. Maybe there's a secret rule that only the master can challenge the heir to get the title back if he's waived the death battle and is unsatisfied with the heir's performance, and Nyssa is taking advantage of that loophole by holding Thea's life-saving plant over Oliver's head.

Wasn't Thea stabbed in the abdomen, not the chest? A blade going through that area in Thea's chest would've killed her instantly, not cause her to bleed out and die a few minutes later.

What the hell was up with Tatsu's cold flinch when Nyssa mentioned Oliver. Does she hate him now? I don't think she blamed him for her husband Masao abandoning her, and she was the one who killed Masao, so that look at Oliver's name is weird.

Ghost Shadow saying Oliver is in love with Tayana makes little sense as well. Oliver has shown that he does care about her well being, but hasn't shown the least amount of romantic interest in her. I don't even think they're even classified as friends.

7.5 out of 10.
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Feb 05, 2016
I didn't read it as a cold flinch, all the contrary. I've read it as "Oliver is in trouble?". And I believe Thea was stabbed in the chest.
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Feb 04, 2016
y is Oliver thanking Malcolm for helping him do what's right and generally through this difficult part of their lives? isn't Malcolm the sole responsible for Thea's 'death' and 'resurrection' in the first place? and all for the self serving purpose of saving his hide by blackmailing Oliver into killing Ras? y the hell r people acting like that? thanking the responsible party? is it the repeated blows to the head? i've heard that might result in certain memory issues...
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Feb 04, 2016
This is your brain on years of partying and, yes, getting your head beat in.

Granted, Malcolm had helped to saved Felicity, Digg, and Thea from Darhk, and had provided intel as needed.

But mostly, this was to setup Oliver having difficulty with making a choice between saving Thea's life and killing Malcolm (which previously would have seemed a no-brainer for him).

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Feb 04, 2016
Felicity's self-aware comment about the returns of Roy, Sara, etc., was of course followed by Nyssa, Tatsu/Katana, Ghost Shado and Calculator/Daddy Smoak.

Well, while we're at it, why not bring back Slade to be the "him/SOB" mentioned at the grave?
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Feb 04, 2016
Well here we go again arrow family ties we got father saving daughters then having war games as well. Plus wooden roy back err why didnt that hawaii five o part work out lol. I was hoping he be killed off at the end unfortunately it take a lot more then c4 maybe a falling piano lol. So let me get this right Nyssa wants to kill Merlin so then saves his daughter and goes to her stepbrother for help really. Why does'nt she kill him herself she got enough followers or ask damien for a favour. I do like John Barrowman chewing the scenery also flashback a bore when are they going to russia certainly more interesting then that island.
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Feb 04, 2016
So, um, he was going to ... destroy the internet? With an explosion device made of a capacitor?

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Feb 04, 2016
I don't understand why Nyssa, who actually defeated Malcolm in a fight last year (when he was captured and taken back to Nanda Parbat), would need Oliver to kill Malcolm for her. The only thing that I could think of is this: Sara dated Oliver, and got along with Thea, who Malcolm used to kill her. Since Sara didn't defend herself against someone who she didn't think she would need to, maybe Nyssa is hoping that Oliver will have the same effect on Malcolm.

However, I don't like that Nyssa is basically withholding something that could save Thea in order to get Oliver to do this. It reminds me of the old Nyssa, the one who poisoned Laurel and kidnapped Dinah in order to force Sara to come back to her. That's kinda scary, when you think about it.
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Feb 04, 2016
Seriously, how dumb is it than Nyssa needs Oliver to kill someone? Isn't this a Malcolm move? So now, not only are they regressing her character, but they are almost turning her into her sworn enemy. Nice one, writers!
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Feb 04, 2016
So, I know a lot of people were interested in the identity of Felicity's father; however, the thing I was more interested in discovering was if he was a bad or a Bad Guy (as in a criminal, since Donna never specified how bad he was when she mentioned him before).

Anywho, with his introduction as The Calculator, I can't help but notice how many terrible fathers there are in The Arrow's universe. I mean, besides killing off women, this show has a thing for villain (or bad) fathers. Just look at-

Malcolm Merlyn- Dark Archer; wanted to destroy The Glades in S1, pretty much responsible for his own son's death, made Thea kill Sara, and now he's the new Ra's al Ghul as well as a dick in general

Robert Queen- cheated on his wife, was part of Malcolm's shady crew (though he did have a change of heart upon learning of The Undertaking), and killed a fellow Queen's Gambit survivor (before killing himself) to help prolong Oliver's survival

Ra's al Ghul- Head of The League of Assassin's; killed A LOT of people during his life and forced his own daughter into a marriage she didn't want

Damien Darhk- Head(?) of H.I.V.E.; killed a bunch of people (including Star City leadership) and, according to the conversation between Darhk and his wife, wants to "end the world" (whatever that means)

Quentin Lance- was a lousy, alcoholic father after Sara's (apparent) death and briefly teamed up with Darhk at the beginning of this season (before Darhk threatened Laurel)

Oliver- has a secret kid he hasn't told anyone about (the kid isn't the issue, it's keeping him a secret that's the dick move)

Andy Diggle- H.I.V.E. soldier; was a drug dealer before joining the army, went on "the take" for Shadowspire while in Afghanistan, and then faked his own death and joined H.I.V.E.

Frank Bertinelli- Mafia boss; killed his daughter's fiance and was just a shit human in general

Deadshot/Floyd Lawton- Hitman; he killed people for money after leaving the military

The only decent fathers are: John Diggle, Yao Fei, and Walter Steele (I'm counting step-fathers here). Maseo was alright, but his kid did die as a result of his "job", so yea...
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Oliver's secret-keeping makes him more of a crappy fiance than a crappy father.
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Feb 04, 2016
So what's the significance of the title, anyway?

I mean, yeah, it could be so broadly uninterpreted that you could apply it to practically anything. Roy is "unchained" from the Calculator. Felicity is "unchained" from the restriction of her wheelchair to give the presentation. Oliver starts to be "unchinaed" from the guilt he's carrying.

But you could say something similar with pretty much any episode.

Last week's "AWOL" wasn't much better.
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Feb 05, 2016
Well if you want to take it literal wasn't Nyssa freed in this episode? And Oliver was literally chained up in his flashback.
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Feb 04, 2016
I've stopped trying to assign meaning to the titles unless they're very on the nose. Legends of Tomorrow's titles are also in this vein (one- or two-word "ideas"), and I suspect that Marc Guggenheim is just bad at episode titles. (Admittedly, I've been pretty blocked on review titles this week, so glass houses and all.)
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Feb 04, 2016
Wonder which Bruce Springsteen song will be the title for this season's penultimate episode.

Maybe "I'm On Fire" (given Anarky and the Genesis project). Although technically they did the fire thing in S2.
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Feb 04, 2016
Wait--I've got it--"Dancing in the Darhk."

J/k--Marc G, please don't.
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Feb 04, 2016
Well this has to happen now.
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Feb 04, 2016
Well tonight's Legends title refers to Len's childhood. And next week's is a play on the movie White Nights.
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Feb 04, 2016
Can I just ask why not a single person on the show has thought to call Constantine in again????
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Feb 04, 2016
Because Warner Bros would've said "No."
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Feb 04, 2016
Are they that determined to kill off any memory of that show?
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Feb 04, 2016
I imagine there's a weird rights/loyalty issue at work given that Constantine showing up here was described as a "one-time dispensation."
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Feb 05, 2016
I guess part of that is going to be due to the Justice League : Dark, which is still a few years off
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Feb 04, 2016
I know that's how it bounces sometimes, but I still can't see the logic--for any party here--of refusing to let Arrow play with Matt Ryan/John Constantine if they're not going to do anything else with him. I'm surprised they let anyone on the show utter Constantine's name again at all, since it's only going to make everyone wonder why he's not being considered as an option. If WB is really never going to let it happen again, I hope the writers can work out some plausible reason for his unavailability so we don't have to assume the entire cast is missing the obvious.
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Feb 04, 2016
Well that's just sad.
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Feb 04, 2016
Especially Thea, since she had a thirty-second hots for him when he came to give Sara a nice relaxing soul-scrubdown?
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Feb 05, 2016
I would like to see Constantine again but I don't want him to be ex deus Machina

Storywise it would be like Dr. Fate in Young Justice every time they had to deal with Clarion someone wears Fate's helmet to win.

I suspect it would be unfair to the actor as well. It would be one thing if he had a spinoff to look forward to but he doesn't and he has to come back for a few episodes to do 10 minute scenes?

Arrow has to many masks already in my opinion.
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Feb 05, 2016
You have a point. I think Amell would have liked to have him on more often than 10 minutes once or twice per season, if he could have. It's just too damn bad Ryan's take on that character ended up essentially going to waste (and the show itself, of course).
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Feb 04, 2016
Should've had Tom Amandes use the "I'm good at calculation" line from The Dark Knight--maybe he'll say it later when Felicity figures out the truth. (Granted, it was spoken by a totally different character, but the line so fits.)

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Feb 04, 2016
So, I read that Felicity pretty quickly figures out who her father really is, but here is the question that I have, he apparently had been keeping tabs on her, so he was willing to do what he was planning in a city in which his daughter was where, as well as she is doing, probably still needs regular medical care? I mean, he apparently cares enough to avoid Donna or seeing Felicity somewhere Donna would be (I actually never found it odd that she wouldn't have come to the board meeting).

Then, as much as Roy actually did seem to avoid looking directly at any Team Arrow members, how much do we suppose he saw of Oliver before Roy punched him to push him away? It also wouldn't be hard to deduce who else Oliver is then.

And, yes, its funny that they have all those guys in camo, but as bringing down Star City is like No. 1 on Damien's to do list, why wouldn't he bring in someone like Noah (I'm with Felicity, I will call him by his comic real name until he introduces himself as something else but I won't call him the Calculator). Damien has outsourced a few times this season. And it could be that Damien has taken note that the Green Arrow crew seems to have a lot of technological help, so he should too.

Also, um, why is no one questioning why Oliver is taking apparently frequent trips to Central City? Like and no one blinked when he said it in front of everyone. While I know next week he starts feeling the pressure to tell Felicity at least, I'm guessing the news about William doesn't break until Diggle and Lyla do their Flash crossover and Barry goes and lets it slip presuming that, of anyone, Oliver told Diggle. But, Alex (I don't trust you still, I'm pretty certain you are a Ghost), shouldn't you be questioning why your candidate leaves town so often? I imagine an opponent will create some pressure on that situation.
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Feb 04, 2016
If Calculator is as good as the show was making him out to be, he would be able to discern the Green Arrow's ID pretty quickly--if not from the obvious switcheroo with Roy right after Oliver's arrest, but more the way that Ray did: facial recognition software.


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Feb 04, 2016
I could have conceivably seen him not caring much one way or the other at that point (that Roy wasn't the Arrow), but like, I don't know, once HIVE hired him (don't know why, but I'm convinced of that point) that he just started a search on Roy himself to discover him in Hub City and just threatened to reveal him as alive, the rest was Roy's figuring it turns the tables back on Oliver (never mind that Lance doesn't particularly care anymore). So he wasn't really focusing on the Arrow until he saw him on the roof top because he thought he had the Arrow under his thumb. So, why bother? But after seeing the Green Arrow, then Oliver himself chasing Roy, he probably started thinking. And then probably specifically spoke to Oliver to get a snippet of his voice (which would be especially pointed because Oliver never really used his disguise voice since it was Roy they were chasing). Now, he can also connect it to Felicity, which might mean, at minimum he isn't working for HIVE anymore on this task, but as I understand the character, he basically is the bad guys' version of Oracle.
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Feb 04, 2016
When was the last time someone who wasn't a killer ran for mayor of Star City?
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Feb 05, 2016
Jeri Ryan
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Feb 04, 2016
Unlike Sabastian Blood and Oliver himself, I don't think Mrs. Darhk killed anyone personally.
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Feb 04, 2016
Plotting to wipe out the entire world's population and start over probably puts her in the murderer/genocide category, even if she's not killing each of them personally. ;)
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Feb 04, 2016
Ghost Shado is somehow worse than Mei. I'd like this character to be active in the present, not just in Oliver's head.
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Feb 04, 2016
Just another great episode... New major plots for the next episodes: the return of the League of Assassins, Thea bloodlust, new candidate and Felicity's dad.

Excelent stunts! I love when they do parkour and sword fights. Great on TV.

The only aspect of the show that continues to put me down it's the flashbacks :p I hope next season we'll some Bratva Oliver, that will be great (fingers crossed).
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Feb 05, 2016
I'm also hoping that next season Oliver will head to Russia.
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Feb 04, 2016
Unlike the moderator, I am more interested in the League stories and the war with Damien Dark. I really enjoyed this episode and I can give one very good reason why Nyssa does not kill Malcolm herself; she isn't capable and Malcolm must be killed in single combat for someone else to take the mantle of Ra's. It was great to see Roy again and I hope they develop Curtis more in Mr. Terrific role.
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Feb 04, 2016
I'm not sure I buy that idea, but yeah, they could say that. I mean skill levels on this show vary wildly from episode to episode: Oliver takes down a small group of guys by himself this week but had a bit of fight with Anarky. Sure, he had an element of surprise this week, but still. I'd expect dark net mercs to be a bit harder to deal with than a former mob enforcer.
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Feb 05, 2016
The varying degrees of power is a problem that seems to plague all shows that have super heroes as protagonists.I think it has to do with different writers on the shows having different ideas about how powerful the said hero is and how they can make it fit their vision and narrative.
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Feb 04, 2016
Noel, I'm sure Cotton Haynes is bummed you didn't even comment on him in the review, especially since you mentioned his return in your preview write-up.

Ok, you quoted a line, but the second-best line for him was the very Nightwing-esque comment about Oliver always needing to make an entrance. Plus, to paraphrase Dustin Hoffman's Hook, how exactly did an even beefier Roy manage to fit into that smashing suit again, after Thea's tailoring?
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Feb 04, 2016
It's obviously two different suits (which I don't understand). Roy's suit zips up to the neck. Thea's suit has no zip at all. It's like the canary suit that Laurel stole, which looks completely different from the suit Sara wore.
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Feb 04, 2016
So basically at the end of S3, Thea took the time to make her own lookalike suit upon returning to Star City, and still managed to head out just in time to save Diggle's carcass.

Yet another S3 back-half plot hole. Surprise, surprise.

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If you notice when the jacket is on Roy, it does zip-up, but it also has lacing on both sides of his chest. Obviously the costume department has made 2 suits tailored for each actor, but I think they're trying to give the allusion on screen that the jacket is able to get smaller, by removing the middle piece, and then lacing up the remaining 2 ends, which is how Thea wears it. (And then tighten the arms, by again more lacing. Yay, lacing.)

No idea how the pants work, haha. Maybe they just each have a pair, and they kept Roy's around in case. :P

Also not sure about the Canary suit - Laurel's suit is the worst of the lot, and yeah, it doesn't look a thing like Sara's jacket.
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Feb 04, 2016
where do they get the suits anyways? does everybody took sewing in high-school and accidentally discovered they have mad skills with leather?
and how exactly do they ever respond in time when suiting up involves 100 laces and about 12 hours to wear it WITH assistance?
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Feb 04, 2016
Malcolm to Laurel: "Oh, good. You wore your bondage outfit."

One of the top 5 Malcolm lines of all time. Right up there with the one that will likely be delivered next week.

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Feb 04, 2016
You know, after doing a rematch of season 3, I found myself enjoying the flashbacks way more than I'm currently doing this year. Assuming the show gets a 6th season, (since season 5 will bring a close to the 5 year flashbacks), I hope they just drop the flashbacks because I've cared less and less about them lately.

I thought this was a fun episode, bringing back Roy, Tatsu, Shado, etc. was cool and the theory about Calculator being Felicity's dad, thus giving her a story outside of Olicity will do the character some good I feel. I like Nyssa as well, but since I doubt Oliver will be killing Malcolm, this will all blow up in her face of course.

And yes, Arrow loves killing women, so I do have a feeling it's going to be Laurel in that grave. I narrowed it down to Laurel or Diggle (the only two I feel could garner that type of reaction from both Oliver and Felicity), but I'm inclined to believe it's Laurel, especially since the show went out of its way to say how different they are from the comics by killing Waller off last week. That, and the Lance family just has shitty luck lol.
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Feb 05, 2016
YESSSSSSS Laurel in the grave. Yesssssss.... and i still cant believe Waller is dead. I cant accept it.
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Feb 04, 2016
Same for the flashbacks.

And I also think it'll be Laurel or John on that grave. For a while I thought it could be Oliver's son but after seing Felicity reaction, I think it has to be someone very close to both of them.
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Feb 04, 2016
It was a typical episode of Arrow; some good stuff, some not so good. DC's tech companies were on full display AmerTek and Cadmus (but doubt we'll be seeing the DNAliens or Guardian anytime soon).
It was nice to see Roy back and he slotted right back as if he'd never left and also that they left the door open for the return of Tatsu instead of killing her off ahead of the Suicide Squad movie *cough*Waller, Lawton*cough*. But there also lots of little niggles that bothered me more than normal :
Never seen a server farm that looks like that, for one thing server farms normally have servers in them.
That block of C4 was big enough to demolish a building, little excessive for a small-ish piece of tech.
Do they have a costume vault where they kept a spare of Roy's Speedy\Arsenal gear just incase he turned up?
Somebody needs to shoot the writers or at least buy them a dictionary "I'll give you the antidote freely, on one condition..." If Nyssa was offering the antidote freely there would be zero conditions.

But line of the night goes to Diggle (as always) : "Just because you wear red doesn't mean you're the Flash"
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Feb 04, 2016
I think Guardian is on the list of do-not-use-on-TV names from the DC brass--either him or Booster Gold, I could have forgotten.
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Feb 04, 2016
Roy's suit was probably in a dusty cardboard box somewhere marked "hand-me-downs that didn't fit Thea"

Speaking of Thea, I like how the writers couldn't decide whether Thea should stay at home with her mystical illness or go to the hospital. In a city that's seen super-soldiers, flying/superfast superheroes and truckloads of bad guys shot with arrows... a girl with her condition probably wouldn't raise too many eyebrows (and it didn't apparently).
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Feb 04, 2016
"Happy that we had Curtis back this week."

Not only that, we also see Curtis handle himself pretty well in a fight.
It went a long way towards giving him more credibility for eventually becoming Mr. Terrific.
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Feb 04, 2016
I was also surprised how well he did in a fight against Roy (considering Roy trained with Oliver, and Oliver can apparently take out like 10 mercs on his own).
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Feb 05, 2016
Remember he is an olympic level athlete.
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Feb 05, 2016
I completely forgot about that! That info actually makes the scene way more plausible, because Curtis' reactions seemed to be those of someone with some great reflexes but a lack of fighting knowledge.
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Feb 06, 2016
Yes, I actually liked that.
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Feb 04, 2016
Roy certainly looked surprised.
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Feb 05, 2016
Colton's face seems to be always locked in a state of surprise. Like a deer in headlights.
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Feb 04, 2016
Oh my gosh was Tatsu hot in this episode in many more ways than just one. It's bordering on a sin not to give more of the character. Entertaining episode and good job featuring so many characters. Good to see Arrow bouncing back this season strong after a shaky season 3.
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Feb 04, 2016
Really looking forward to more Tatsu/Nyssa team ups.
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Feb 04, 2016
Also... does anyone else think Blake Neely is going a bit wild on the soundtrack? That chase scene between Oliver and Roy sounded like a psychedelic 70s dance party. Blake has no chill lately. This is going to sound insensitive but i'm saying it anyway... i'm not happy that Felicity with that out of this world body is going to be sitting down the entire time. Screw you Damian Darkh, i hope you get yours for taking that away.
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Feb 04, 2016
Anyone yet doubting that Felicity's mum is in the grave now?
Her father probably's the SOB she asks Oliver to kill cuz he killed her mother!
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Feb 04, 2016
The thought crossed my mind too.

The fact that Oliver and Felicity both use the word "he" instead of anyone's name really leaves the door open for the writers later on.
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Feb 04, 2016
Apparently they hadn't decided who the victim was when the scene was shot, maybe they haven't even decided who the culprit's yet, in other words, strange writing!
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Feb 05, 2016
I think that is not right. They didn't know when they did the scene of the season premiere, but I believe for the scene a few episodes ago they already know.
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Feb 04, 2016
My top 3 candidates have been
Roy | Felicity's Mom | Detective Lance | Mrs Diggle
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Feb 05, 2016
ohhhhhhhh! Detective Lance Detective Lance Detective Lance! Pleeeeeeeeeease be Detective Lance. "Thish would be the nishest outcome. And it would give Lorl shomething to whine about and deshperately hone her acting shkillsh."
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Feb 04, 2016
I am fairly certain it is not Donna. Barry shows up after the funeral for Oliver's sake. He does not even mention Felicity. To me that almost certainly rules out Donna as the victim.
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Feb 04, 2016
Haven't seen this one yet. Not sure I will. The previous one was so awful that I couldn't finish it. I have already dropped Arrow once this season. I started watching again in december, when every show I watched went off the air for two months. I think it may be time to drop it again.
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Feb 04, 2016

Cadmus is also usually who creates the Superboy Clone

and since flash is getting a Supergirl crossover maybe this is very early seeding for a Superboy show?
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Feb 04, 2016
I feared Felicity would lose her big job for being a "cripple now" and how insulting that would be to the audience, especially those in chairs themselves. But that didn't happen, thank God.

She learned to daaaaare to defyyyyyyyy.
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Feb 04, 2016
I think that whole bit was a nod to the flak that DC took in the aftermath of healing Babs Gordon.
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Feb 04, 2016
Felicity was such a boss in the chair this episode that I wouldn't mind her staying in the wheelchair permanently.
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Feb 04, 2016
I want more Tatsu!!! Can we have a spin off show just about her? Lol
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Feb 04, 2016
I'm think Tatsu will bite the dust pretty soon due the Suicide Squad movie, just like Amanda did...
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Feb 04, 2016
I understand DC movies getting priority on characters but they've been going really overboard with the hoarding. Pretty soon it will be Ollie hanging out on a deserted island again.
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Feb 04, 2016
I get the priority too, but does Arrow have to kill off these characters? Couldn't Deadshot have escaped and retired on Corto Maltese? Can't Tatsu remain in Japan, forgotten by Team Arrow?
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Feb 04, 2016
I would have preferred the Calculator in his original costume, but oh well. Granted that they couldn't given he was Felicity's father, but I'm still glad they didn't go the young roguish hacker type.


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Feb 04, 2016
Next season on Arrow: Can Oliver and Team Arrow match wits when the Calculator returns with his new protege, Cluemaster?!
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Feb 05, 2016
HAHA! or calculator's evil side kick Adding Machine.
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Feb 04, 2016
I'm waiting for the other members of Justice League Antarctica. We've already had Clock King.

Although you think Major Disaster would have shown up at the end of season 1.l
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Feb 04, 2016
(Cluemaster, of course, will be Felicity's half-brother.)
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Feb 04, 2016
You realize, of course, that on at least one Earth, that makes the Huntress her eventual sister-in-law. Which makes her comment to Sara two years ago even more extremely funny.

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Feb 04, 2016
Actually, the Calculator above was one of my entries into comic books. Him, and the Legion of Super-Heroes.

I think one of the first comics I saw was the Detective issue with the backup story of Hawkman vs. Calculator.

http://thedorkreview.blogspot.com/2015/12/batman-hawkman-vs-calculator.html

For a six-page story, it's actually one of the better Hawkman pieces of the era from a writing and drawing standpoint. These days, it'd probably take up a trade paperback.
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Feb 04, 2016
A young villain would have been too much overlap with Anarky, so I agree that this was the better move.
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Feb 04, 2016
That hasn't necessarily stopped them before.

I get the impression they only went with an older actor because they wanted it as a set-up for him being Felicity's father. If for no other reason then that CW doesn't really do 57-year-old guest villains very often.
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Feb 04, 2016
Why stop at 57, when you can have guys like Mark Hamill and Michael Ironside on The Flash?

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Feb 04, 2016
And we barely ducked the bullet on Trickster Jr. ;)

I wouldn't say Ironside was a major villain, even of the episode he appeared in. Hamill, he was more of a legacy casting, and I imagine the producers had to fight the CW hard to bring Hamill in. If it wasn't for Star Wars, I suspect Hamill wouldn't have made it, either the first time or the return.
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Feb 04, 2016
The Tatsu Nyssa thing came out of nowhere and made no sense but i like them both and their fight was cool for as long as it lasted.
I think the episode tried to trick me into thinking it was a good episode by stuffing alot of characters in it..
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Feb 04, 2016
Maybe we're viewing this wrong.

Maybe it really IS all Ollies fault.

Maybe, just maybe they a building him up to be the evilest supervillain EVER!!!
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Feb 04, 2016
The Arrow turns out to be Oliver's super villain origin story. I could see it happening. How many more seasons do you think this is going to take then? haha
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Feb 04, 2016
The way they are writing him, probably next season
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Feb 04, 2016
Dun dunnnnn!

Just please, no more Darth Oliver!
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Feb 04, 2016
Noel, I think you fell for the Arrow rope-a-dope. Last week's episode was so galactic bad that almost anything they put forward this week would look good by comparison.

Oliver's whining is really getting tired and the fact that everybody is aware of it isn't making it better since, despite whatever purpose this week's flashback served, he isn't getting it.

Plus, whatever the hell is supposed to be going on with Nyssa that still makes absolutely zero sense to me.
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Feb 04, 2016
So, is this the 3rd or 4th woman that Oliver was in love with while he was supposed to be in love with Laure? *facepalm* I'm losing count.
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Feb 05, 2016
I don't think he loves Taiana.
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Feb 04, 2016
He's not in love with Taiana, Keep in mind the context of the scene. First of all at this point it's potentially been years since he's been with a woman. Second of all he's just been tortured. We have no idea how long or to what extent this has been going on. It could be hours, it could be days. This torture may not even be just physical it could include potential starvation/dehydration. Keep in mind Oliver is really hallucinating Shado here. People do not normally hallucinate like this unless they are crazy (which Oliver is not) or there is an outside factor that effects the brain.

So anyways I don't doubt that Oliver is attracted to Taiana. She's a woman, she's not hard on the eyes, she has a strong independent personality (like Shado, Sara, and Laurel), and she seemingly cares for Oliver in some way. There was also soft touching as she cared for his wounds. However due to the factors above Oliver's subconscious is not really thinking all the clearly mistaking this simple attraction for actual full blown love.
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Feb 05, 2016
Eh you might be right. But it's annoying to see people scream that he was in love with Laurel the whole time he was with (Sara, Shado, Sara again, Mckenna, Isobel, his baby mama) like seriously? I don't understand how LL fans could want her back with him. Even if you don't count the island stuff (because it's been a while, didn't know if he'd ever get home, whatever the reason) he's still treated her very poorly
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Feb 04, 2016
I know Oliver is keeping his son a secret from Felicity, but I really want to see Laurel's reaction when she finds out that he got Samantha pregnant while they were dating.
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Feb 05, 2016
KC recently did an interview and she said that LL would embrace someone we wouldn't expect her to embrace and I think that someone might be the kid. She's the last person we'd expect to accept him but I think that's what will happen which is another reason why I think she might be in the grave honestly
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Feb 05, 2016
I think that someone was probably just Malcolm in this episode. I mean she just let him stay in her apartment...
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Feb 06, 2016
Lol I was asking myself the same thing. Like, is Merlyn really staying at her apartment? I know it's for Thea but it's just not right. But I don't see her 'embracing' him. He's just there. It's an unspoken thing
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Feb 04, 2016
Noel, Nyssa might be considered a legitimate leader because she's still married to Oliver (I think). Far-fetched I know...
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Feb 04, 2016
I personally disliked this episode, I had a lot of problems with it. While I appreciate the idea of Oliver growing out of his guilt complex, did they really have to mention it so many times? And when he confessed that he killed Diane's brother, he was like "the circumstances don't change anything" and I was like "uhhh, yeah they kind of do." Also, him being in love with her? No, just no.

Nyssa declared to Katana that their fight will just go on until they exhaust each other after they fought for only 30 seconds. Seriously, it only lasted for that long.

Ugh, I really dislike the idea of Felicity's dad being the "Calculator." Even if it's based off a comic book character with the actual name, it's still so stupid.

Also, I get that that board member was supposed to be a dick. But did he really roll his eyes because a girl in a wheelchair accidentally bumped into something?

P.S. I was half expecting them to kill off Katana in this episode too given what happened to the rest of Suicide Squad's characters.
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Feb 04, 2016
Or discriminating against disabled people? :(
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Feb 04, 2016
The Lotus (elixir) will cure Thea. It's capable of countering the effects of the Lazarus Pit. It's secret weapon developed by League's enemies.

League's enemies made an elixir that counter the (side?) effects of a Pit user who probably is a league's member. So...how can it be a weapon?
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Feb 04, 2016
To be fair we don't yet know that is the entire purpose of the Lotus. The ability to cure the blood lust may just be a small side effect to it's main purpose?
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Feb 04, 2016
Good point. Still...she said it counter the effects of the pit. It's pretty straightforward. However, one could think that one of the effects is healing which means that it would kill Thea, but now it makes sense as a weapon.
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Feb 04, 2016
Eh, I know it's mystical and all but I still wouldn't think that healed wounds would suddenly just reopen and bruises reappear and what not. I tend to think the countered effects would be the more mystical ones the living for 100s of years, the mystical blood lust, and maybe releasing the soul of someone who was actually dead at the time they were pitted? (Thea was not ever completely dead was she?)
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Feb 04, 2016
"I still wouldn't think that healed wounds would suddenly just reopen and bruises reappear and what not"

That was what happened in this episode xD although because of the blood lust.

"I tend to think the countered effects would be the more mystical ones the living for 100s of years, the mystical blood lust, and maybe releasing the soul of someone who was actually dead at the time they were pitted? (Thea was not ever completely dead was she?)"


I agree with you that's the case, but then again...how can it be a weapon? We'll just have to wait and see...
(I think she was, I don't remember well. The thing is for a time I thought that the pit only heal but then came along Sarah who was really resuscitated...so I don't know).
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Feb 04, 2016
This entire LoA storyline started with "mind control herbs." Basically noting relating to that plot will stand up to scrutiny.
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Feb 04, 2016
I'm sorry i have to say this but this episode was again better than that of the flash. This time this was caused by the annoying behavior of "fan favorite" Iris ;) The Flash got Pwned!

You still have to say owned Felicity. But then the inside joke wouldn't have worked :) The use of this term originated in an online game called Warcraft. where a map designer misspelled "owned." When the computer beat a player, it was supposed to say, so-and-so "has been owned." Instead, it said, so-and-so "has been pwned." And so now in the (online) gaming community we still use this neologism.

- First off Felicity in "force of nature" mode is the best. She was on FIRE
- The speech Malcom gave about It's Thea's choice brought me to tears. I mean it.
- Curtis in "bad ass mode" Booya. Curtis is the best.
- Roy is back! Is he the one in the grave?

Even the flashback didn't suck! Some quotes:

Calculator: i can breach your firewall faster than i can remove the
DRM off of Beatles tunes.
Felicity: Guys, the nuke is hardwired in. Not to get too inside baseball
on you but i need you to blow the thing up
Oliver:How much time do we have?
Felicity: It's a long story but somewhere between I Want To Hold Your Hand and Hey Jude.

Diggle: Just because that you wear red doesn't make you the Flash Roy.

Oliver: how is she?
Malcom: Resting. How's your new BFF Damien?

Felicity's father is the Calculator? That's a double whammy.
WTF Thea is in a coma? Nyssa wants Oliver to kill Malcom in exchange for the Lotus. An offer he can't refuse? OMFG...

This might be my favorite episode of all time ;) and i never say that.
Prayer of the week: "God, don't let it be Thea. Don't let it be Thea in that grave"

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Feb 04, 2016
Flash and iZombie were preempted by Another Goddamn Sporting Event in our area this week so I can't compare, but they're replaying them this weekend thankfully. Can't say it's my favorite but I enjoyed this episode. No Darkh but yay for some Curtis! And I really don't want Thea to die either...

"This is what happens when villains name themselves"

My husband and I could not stop doing this after they said "Calculator"... except we eventually did because it's so annoying.

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Feb 04, 2016
Darhk was there--in the limo. (Wonder if McDonough could claim that as part of his fee.) ;)
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Feb 04, 2016
Yes, the "correct" pronunciation of pwned is technically "owned," but most audible media uses "powned" so that it's clear what's intended.

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Feb 04, 2016
Better than Flash??? I couldn't disagree more for more reasons than I could possibly list
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Feb 04, 2016
He's just still mad about Barry being a jerk to Patty.
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Feb 04, 2016
Oh, I'm FURIOUS about Barry's idiocy where Patty is concerned. So much that I did the unthinkable for those 2 episodes...put Arrow and Flash on the same level.

And even though Patty's gone, for now, Flash restored balance to the world with a pretty intelligent episode this week. And by that I mean they maintained character consistency and story continuity...something alien to Arrow.
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Feb 04, 2016
If you take both series in total. Flash is still way better than the Arrow/
I didn't like the last two episodes of the flash because the secret identity drama with Patty and the stupid behavior of Iris. That annoyed me so much i didn't enjoy the episodes as much as i normally do.


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Feb 04, 2016
The first 2 episode of Flash coming back from the break were TERRIBLE, no argument there. I found them to be very Arrow'esque in the level of stupidity demonstrated by everybody.

The episode from the other day however renewed my faith in that show. The writing was smart and consistent. Most importantly, every character stayed true and behaved exactly how we'd expect them to behave. The trouble with Arrow, even in this pretty good episode, is that behaviour usually revolves around them doing the dumbest thing imaginable.

So, for me, this week, it's not even close. The prior two episodes...50/50. But I'll give the edge to Flash since Arrow has been consistently bad for a LONG time.
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Feb 04, 2016
Sorry, but Tom Cavanaugh's performance by himself makes The Flash much, much better than Arrow. This wasn't the worst Arrow ep, but it was nowhere near its best. At least it wasn't more Olicity angst although I am more than done with Felicity for the time being.
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Feb 04, 2016
I still miss calm and father-figure Wells more than grumpy "Imma talk like Batman" Wells.

Both are still great and among the better parts of Flash, but I miss the gentle one
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