Community Season 4 Finale Review: The Worst Graduation Ever

Community S04E13: "Advanced Introduction to Finality"

Last week, I praised Community for finding a proper, respectable groove in the second half of this short fourth season. The show had embraced small, if even simple, character moments and ditched some of the tremendously gimmicky leftovers from the Harmon era that populated the early chunk of the season. If the show was/is is going to get canceled, I found this to be a fine way to go out. 

"Advanced Introduction to Finality"... was the exact opposite of all of that. Although the episode was not the apocalyptic nightmare that Twitter might have led you to believe, it was still truly terrible. It leaned way too heavily on a story thread that had no business existing past the Season 3 finale, it attempted to construct a plot full of nostalgic callbacks with that thread, and then it decided that all of the stupidity and gimmickry was actually all a psychological construct meant to put a button on four seasons' worth of growth and maturity. Clearly there was an attempt to tie everything together, but the episode got way too bogged down in what amounted to pointless, winking fan service. Also: It didn't make a whole lot of sense. 

Even at the height of my adoration for Community, I recognized that certain facets of the show just weren't/aren't for me. Inspector Spacetime is something I didn't care for after the first few jokes, and watching the show run it into the ground over the last 30-plus episodes has not been especially enjoyable. This year's trip to the Inspector Spacetime convention was generally miserable. Similarly, although I really, really loved the alternate timelines in "Remedial Chaos Theory," I was mostly over the concept by the time Abed and Evil Abed interacted at the tail-end of Season 3. I hoped against hope that last week's end tag wasn't going to impact the finale too much, but unfortunately, I was dead wrong. 

Jeff's graduation from Greendale was one of the show's most important moments, and for whatever reason, the writers (this script is credited to one of the best, Megan Ganz) decided that the best way to tell that story was to reintroduce the alternate timeline and combine it with another seminal Community story element in paintball. The resulting plot followed Evil Jeff and Evil Annie sneaking into the prime timeline to convince Jeff that he must take a job at an old coworker's firm by destroying his emotional connections with the members of the study group (and the Dean). From there, the episode devolved into a few entertaining bits, but those were outnumbered by a great many more eye-rolling scenarios; for the first time in weeks, it felt like Community was trying way too hard to prove to us how "cool" it could be, to remind us of its history. And while the nods to former riffs and the shoddy "action" sequences were problematic in their own right*, the episode capped it all off by revealing that the whole story took place in Jeff's head. None of it really happened, nor does any of it really matter.

*It's hard to fault the show too much for what were clearly major budgetary restraints, but when you ask me to fondly recall the sleek, visually impressive paintball episodes and then provide a short sequence with the study group simply standing in the cafeteria in the darkness—at which point you then mix in a few Matrix nods—I can't help but consider how far you've fallen. 

Although I appreciate the effort in trying to link two big concepts with Jeff's fears about leaving Greendale now that the school and its community have helped him become a better man, the logic of this episode left quite a bit to be desired. Help me understand this for a second: Why would Jeff have what amounts to an Abed-like experience with the darkest-timeline folks, and how in the hell would Abed be able to have his own experiences, seperate from Jeff, within that same construct? Community often asks us to buy into complicated or wonky stories or environments, but it also almost always does the work to make sure we understand how the logic of any given episode is working. Here? Absolutely not. I have no idea why Jeff would even care to understand the complexities of the darkest timeline, or what happened to the various doppelgangers within it, but even if we sideline that and pretend that he listened to everything Abed told him, the story still doesn't make much sense. 

And at this moment, I can't decide whether the episode's decision to simply back away from the inter-dimensional throwdown made the story better or worse. The story was poor enough that it's nice to know that it didn't really happen, but I also sort of wish that the show would've just kept its commitment to the audacity and stupidity of the bit. At a certain point, it had already mostly ruined Jeff's big moment; turning that moment into a complete internalization ruined it just a little bit more. 

Good news, though: Book-ending the terrible portion of the episode were two really nice, typical Community Season 4 sequences with Jeff and the group discussing their feelings pretty openly and honestly. Jeff's fears about leaving the one place he's grown to call home and his ultimate decision to accept graduation but stay away from the remnants of his former life were all well-executed and particularly well-performed by Joel McHale (who has really carried the show this season). The graduation/wedding ceremony was cute and warm like all of the season's best moments—Jeff calling the Dean Craig really got me—and the brief conversation at the table made an earnest attempt to conclude Jeff's series- and season-long arc. It ended just about where we assumed it would years ago, and didn't really get there in the best of ways, but hey, it was moderately satisfying. 

This is a weird review to write because as of late Thursday evening, we still don't know whether Community is returning for Season 5. As a series-ender, "Advanced Introduction to Finality" was a particularly lame way to go out. As a season-ender, it still sent us off with a sour taste in our mouths, but there is hope for the future. The most important thing to take away from this episode is that, despite its numerous flaws, it's just one bad episode. One bad episode does not define an entire season, nor does it define an entire series. The failures of this episode do not negate Season 4, which was by and large amiable and interesting—if oftentimes frustrating—and they do not invalidate NBC's decision to bring the show back for it in the first place.

However, if the show does return: No. More. Alternate. Timelines. 



STUDY NOTES

– I saw a number of people online comparing this to live-action fan fiction. They're probably right, and the Jeff/Annie stuff felt particularly icky. 

– Once again, the funniest bit of the episode came from Donald Glover, who made the Battle of Two Troys work way better than it should have thanks to lovely line delivery. 

– I get why we hate Chevy Chase, but poor Pierce: nothing to do. 

– Todd in the house for Jeff's graduation/wedding ceremony! I hope you got the help you needed Todd. 

– Really glad we did that Changnesia stuff, guys. That absolutely amounted to several great, conclusive stories.

– Seriously, if you can explain the logic of Jeff's daydream and Abed's role within it, I will greatly appreciate it. But I don't think you can.

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I really hated the last episode. In fact the last season wasn't really that funny. It wasn't horrible. To the end Pierce started go from bigot-funny, to just ridiculously annoying because he played no role in the show except to offer some finality. Also I feel like the story line just wasn't that funny anymore. Season 1 and 2 were awesome and so was season 3 except Britta went from wanna be activist to straight up retarded. And I agree with some of the comments, the final act of Jeff's graduation was just super rushed, and therefore unlogical. BUT I have hopes for season 5.
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I got some flack for pointing that out, but the way they changed Britta completely changed the dynamic. Agree with a lot youve written, I just hope season 5 is a step up
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To the reviewer:
That finale was the best episode ever in this series, if not every series. Dont' get me wrong, I totally understand why you don't like it and my opinion, as a Doctor Who and Inspector Spacetime fan, is that this series simply isn't for you. This series isn't making bad choices, it is just making choices that don't go in your direction. That's ok. I just want you to know that it really exists a small group of super-geeks who really enjoy this series and its wonky stories and lack of coherence. It's the same thing that Doctor Who fans love. We are not indulgent or dumb. We just like it like that. And there can be series for our taste, or aren't we allowed to enjoy television? For "regular" shows that pretend to be geek we have Big Bang Theory, with it lack of complexity, accurate references or fun. Community is THE GEEK SERIES.

I hope you understand it and tone down your review.

Oh, and if it returns, I just ask this: More. Complex. Timelines. Please.
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First, I feel like this episode (along with this season) was rushed. It should have been an hour episode and a full season. That being said, it was Jeff and Abed who started the series in the first place with a conversation that ended by Jeff telling Abed, "I see your value." If you look through the series Abed is a representation of childlike innocence while Jeff is the corrupted, jaded adult. There has been many times Abed has saved Jeff and even took him in as a roommate so that he could recoup and be sent out again. So the fact that Abed is working in Jeff's subconscious to help him is no surprise. In fact, that Abed gives Jeff a famed "Winger" speech at the end and Jeff's acceptance of "not logic(ing) his way out of (it)" was the image of Jeff combining innocence with maturity. This was his rebirth. He even proves it when he talks about using his big mouth to help the little guy.
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Wha? Don't get the hate on this episode. Loved it. On with season 5!
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I think the reason Abed went off on his own adventure (besides the fact that he's /always/ doing that) is that in Jeff's mind, Abed would be the one to know the most about the Darkest timeline. And in order to do that he needed to go there and learn about it. (And pick up the magical paintball guns.) what bugged me was that the Evil Study group came to the optimal timeline in the first place. Just because they got sent back with the paintballs doesn't mean they can't just come back. I mean, what's stopping them?
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Definitely a disappointing season finale but I still enjoyed moments of it. I reckon if they just cut out Jeff's speeches (it was funny for a while, and I get that it's making fun of itself in a way but it's become a little overdone) this show will improve dramatically.

All for season 5 though, the show still always manages to put a smile on my face. If season 5 is is terrible I'll just go back to rewatching season 1-3 and forget the last two happened. That's what I do with Chuck. There is not a single part of me that wants to watch the skidmark that was its final season.
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That was a good episode! I really enjoyed watching it. It was way funnier than HIMYM's finale. I can't wait to watch season 5. With Pierce out, I hope they'll give Chang a more interesting role. I loved this character better when he was Senior Chang I really didn't like the crazy stuff when he became a dictator. I like what they did this season with the Changnesia thing, I just wish we could see more of him.
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For this episode it seemed like they rushed it and tried to make it so that it was an ender if the show got cancelled as well as leaving us wanting more if it wasnt cancelled.
Maybe they were just being cautious, not wanting to leave us with a big cliffhanger... I think we all have that one show where they left us with a big cliffhanger, only to have the show get canceled, leaving us forever irritated that it wasnt finished.
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Anyone else notice they just completely dropped the plotline of Chang working with City College' Dean to "take down" Greendale? It was built up over 13 episodes then just never touched upon. Weird.

Yeah I'll rewatch this the finale see if I can enjoy it. While I was watching I was prepared for it to be a series finale, and I was so disappointed. But now I can just sit back and enjoy the episode
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Chang called City College's dean and told him he was out. That dean then said something about plan B or whatever, which apparently will be resumed in season 5 (if it returns).
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Just saw it's been renewed, so scratch that "if it returns". Yay :-)
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I personally LOVED The season Final! I thought It was fun and very Community like. Of course there were moments that seemed cheesy but I still liked it a lot. I did wonder what happened to the giant spider idea but then came to the conclusion it will be in season 5. I also sort of wish this wasn't all in his head. Ya know? Like I wish this all was actually happening haha! All in all I though it was a great season closer and even though people have said season 4 "is not good" I think it was and is still a good season. Of course its my least favorite season but it is still better than any other comedy in this category! I can understand why others might not like it and that is perfectly fine with me. I thought Cory made some very valid points. :) Also I would like to add that I am a filmmaker and Community has inspired some of a latest projects! Check em out if you want http://www.youtube.com/user/morphproducti0ns
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"and how in the hell would Abed be able to have his own experiences, seperate from Jeff, within that same construct?"
Um, he didn't. Just because Jeff imagines Abed doing things on his own in Jeff's head, doesn't mean the real Abed actually did. Have you ever had a dream about someone you know doing something separate from you? Do you believe that the real person actually experienced them? Do you ask them later how they actually got into your dream and had their own experiences?

Yes, the abed in Jeff's head acted like the real Abed would act at acknowledging that it was in Jeff's head, because that is how the real Abed would act, and thus how Jeff imagined him acting. Yes there were scenes going on in Jeff's head based on Abed's previous delusions. Note though that previously Jeff and Britta talked about how much Abed had talked about all that, about all the "alternate timelines", and his (imagined) experience with the "darkest timeline". They had that discussion before Jeff rolled the die (or actually imagined rolling the die). An obvious case of Checkov's gun, where they mentioned it in order for it to make sense that Jeff would know what Abed had imagined/Made up.
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How has it taken so long to graduate from a community college?
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Greendale's one of those Community Colleges that actually gives out Bachelor degrees and isn't just a two year school. Plus remember when Jeff said most community college students attend school for 5-7 years? Yeah that's totally me though
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Except on Jeff's Diploma it said associates. Which was annoying, or I misread that.
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In my honest opinon the shows finale left me wanting a little bit more but Im satisfied with an ending of this magnitude.

I would also like to say that based on the interview clips of the community's cast, for which they talk about themselves leaving the show and trying to make it something real to finish.
If you dont believe me and are subscribed to Hulu, jump on there and watch the clips from the middle of Season 4.
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you said Magnitude, POP POP!
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Wasn't the season shot out of order? I too thought that it was a step backwards from the latest episodes, but that isn't quite the case, is it? Since this episdode was parobably shot quite early in the process it isn't really a step backwards for the writers but rather the state they were in at the time. Small concolation for a sub par finale nevertheless.
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Completely disagree with this review. I think finale was amazing, it was everything what i loved Community for. It was season's best episode an one of best episode in series overall. As for season 5 - I'm not sure, after season 4 finale I was ready to say goodbye, it was a good run, but it could have been great series finale and I din't see any point for more seasons.
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I agree with the first part of your comment ;) but I want more episodes!
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I completely agree with the review - as much as I like Community most days, this finale was terrible. Even if you follow Community and have above average geek / nerd knowledge, it was hard to follow. The whole thing with the dice and the alternative timelines was fun for that one episode (and that is a stretch, going over variations of the same scene gets boring fast). I hope we never see it again and that Season 5 gets a fresher Community again... A bit of meta stuff is fine (yeah, we all like to feel we're clever getting that obscure reference) but meta over meta over meta is just self-indulgent bullshit.
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Try "Worst Review Ever." Dude, If you didn't like this finale, you don't really like Community--it was completely in keeping with the nature of the show. And if you don't like Community, why review the show?

Let's get a 2nd opinion review in from someone else, please!
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I'd say that if you didn't like episode 2x08 Cooperative Calligraphy, or 2x10 Mixology Certification, or or 2x14 advanced Dungeons and Dragons, then you probably don't really like Community. The Season 4 Finale was just so convoluted with pretty much useless plot, it actually made the 4th Season as a whole look worse, which I actually liked most of.
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I love Community, but that doesn't mean the show is without its flaws. Sorry you can't see that.
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Oh and lets not forget to welcome back Annie's BOOBS, they've been hiding them for a while now.
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I think the writers fully expected to be cancelled so they wrote a story that was just one giant "nerdgasim" as a way of going out with a bang, and frankly it was my favorite episode of the SEASON, this show really lost any grip in reality when they did the clay-mation christmas episode, so embrace it and enjoy the fantasy land, Frankly I wouldn't be surprised for the final scene of the series to be Abed waking up from a dream, like Mario in Super Mario Brother 2 for the NES.
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This episode made me think of that South Park episode where they all had a trauma after seeing Indiana Jones (figuratelively) being raped.

Just replace Indiana Jones with Remedial Chaos Theory + the awesome paintball episodes from seasons 1 and 2, and replace the South Park gang with me...

The only good thing about the darkest timeline in this episode was Evil Annie :P

I'm happy they got a 5th season though, because I would be gutted if this would be the last I ever saw of Community, it deserves so much better. They need to make some changes and go back to basic for season 5 (and 6 and the movie!!)
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I think that in this episode the writters were just trying to do a big bang before the lights possibly went out, with all of the most popular refrences from previous season. Just to say, "We love you! and we will miss you!!!" to the fan base! because this episode wasent really ABOUT the story so much as it was about saying good bye, from the Show to the Fans and from the Study Group to Jeff. That is why this episode was so emotional.

...BUT THEN THERES A TWIST! IT WASENT GOOD BYE! COMMUNITY IS RENEWED! OH HAPPY DAY ITS A BLOODY MIRACLEEEEEEE
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TO ALL THE COMMUNITY FANS (all of them)


WHICH OF YOU LIKED THIS EPISODE AND THOUGHT THIS SEASON WAS ACTUALLY NOT ALL THAT BAD, BUT YOU STILL THINK ABOUT THE EPISODES, UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC AND LOVE LOVE LOVE IT (BUT STILL MISS DAN HARMON YET APPRECIATE THE CURRENT WRITERS AND DIRECTERS)? If you did, then you are a Hero.

AAAAAAND WHICH OF YOU THINK OTHER WISE ( *cough*cough* Cory *cough*) AND ARE NOT GOING TO WATCH SEASON 5 BECAUS YOU HAVE LOST HOPE AND CANT GET OVER DAN HARMON BEING GONE ? You are a Villain.

DON'T YOU WORRY MY PRECIOUS'S, this does not meen that the Heros are better than the Villains, i'm just making a movie/tv show/something i dunno refrence that I think Abed would appreciate, because thats just one of the many things we both (Heros and Villains) have in common, our love for the characters. :}

P.S Proof that I don't think we Heros are better than you, I actually kind of wished we were the Villains because Villains are FAWESOME

OKKKK just posting this o that you don't think i'm insulting you if I call you a Villain or Hero or whatever. XD YOU can even call your fellow believers a Villain! And for you guys it would be like a compliment! Or an invitation to Community funeral! and calling someone a Hero would be an INSULT for you! JUST AS IT IS THE OTHER WAY AROUND FOR US

Understand? OK! Does anybody care about this post? No? OH WELL!
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You are 100 percent wrong. I've been completely supportive of this season, more than most critics, or most commenters. This episode just wasn't good. The season was pretty fun.
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did anyone else notice the "Six Seasons and a Movie" on the chalkboard behind Jeff during the graduation scene?
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This episode was also one of the funniest of season 4, laugh-out-loud funny. I specially loved when Chang/Kevin jumped in front of the paint bullet and yelled FRIENDSHIP.
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I just want to point out that everythign Community related on tv.com seems to always be a picture of Abed? Not complaining, just pointing it out! (I love Abed, he's my favorite character!)
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We post the photos that NBC gives us. They tend to be Abed-heavy.
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Ugh, I spelled "quess" wrong, its "guess"... I think... :/ (MY SPELLING IS ATROSHUS)
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Oh lol. That explains it I quess XD
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This was a tough ep to watch for me. I liked the concept, but I felt it was poorly executed. It felt like a filler episode, which is weird 'cause it was the season finale lol. But I guess if it sets the tone up properly for season 5, than I say sacrifices are a good thing. :p
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I actually liked the timeline, what I have a problem with however is changnesia. It was of a complete and under waste of time, why do it ? Moreover Chang barely had any camera time this season which is terrible given that Ken Jeong is a great actor, probably the only thing that drew me to the show in the first place.
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I do have to agree with you on the Changnesia. I actually liked the Changnesia idea....... Except they set up the concept, then didn't pay it off. It never really played out. It just led to something that they never actually arrived at. It was a set up, without a pay off. I mean they pretty much ended that particular storyline in the previous episode with Abed telling Chang that he knows, but that "only you can decide who you are" and Chang just backing out of his plans. But that's just letting it fizzle out, rather than paying off. Like lighting the fuse on a stick of dynamite and then having it fizzle instead of exploding.
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crap finale, over, what? half of it right? half of it was just Jeff thinking in his head. stupid.. did they run out of ideas? after how poorly this season was handled I'm surprised it got a renewal.
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I think the show has been on a steady decline since season 1, but it's a funny and quirky show, and even its bad episodes have me laughing. I didn't love the season finale but i didn't particularly dislike it either. I understand why Abed was in Jeff's fantasy, i think that if Jeff was having that kind of fantasy, he would definitely give Abed his own little storyline. It fits in with the characters.

Now that Jeff has graduated though, i don't see how they can have a 5th season. They threw in that line about him working nearby so he can drop in sometimes. I hope they can manage that without making it as lame as it sounds.
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actually i really like the time lines
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YES! We're definitely not in the evil timeline...or are we? Muwahaha.
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OK, let me start this comment by saying this; I'm a sheep.

All of us are, and you are our leader. Whatever you think of an episode, its almost always wat we will imideately think. And you know what? NO. MORE.

Fist of all, I LOVE THE DARKEST TIMELINE. Its AWESOME and obviously, the writters have been purposely keeping it in the story so they could do THIS episode, were the darkest timeline finally crosses over to the main time line, (which is why I was slighty disapointed that it wasent real, but I mean seriously, its not like they could actually make it real, cause if the study groupd did meet thei're evil selves, that is NOT how they would have acted.) and so I tought this episode was very exiting and a great episode to finish the season with (and possibly the series, well at the time, since now its been confirmed its been renewed for season 5 - F**K YAAAAAAAAA) because the writers didn't hold back at all, like they've obviously been doing because of people like YOU. The people who just don't think its good enough because you know that several writers and Dan Harmon are no longer in the picture, so u expect it to be bad.

Also, I can totally explain the daydream thing with abeds role bla bla; First, jeff knew about how all the study group memebers turned out in the darkest timeline because in the begining he and Britta were talking about it and even said whjat happened to every body, because Abeds been talking about it for forever. And Second, Abed is abed, OF COURSE he would have his own story in the story of THE DARKEST TIMELINE, which, may I remind you, was STARTED by ABED. Geez, idjit.

Another thing, I think we have all ready confirmed that Jeff is secretely as much of a nerd as Abed in the first episode (seriously, how could you not have caught that?) so its very plausible he would have a crazy darkest timeline fanatasy thing! (Helloooo, remember the musical daydream? tell me that was a 'manly' day dream. Seriously, tell me.)

And finnally, COMUNITY, IS.NOT.TRYING.TO.SHOW.US.HOW.COOL.THEY.ARE.
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Idjit? Really? The fact the you would insult someone just for having a different opinion from you just invalidates your whole claim, you can't expect people to take your arguments seriously if you don't respect other people's opinions (which, by the way, doesn't mean that you have to agree with them). Just state your claim, go crazy raving about how much YOU loved this episode, and don't go calling people any names. Challenge their viewpoints, do not insult them.
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Discarding everything over a simple and honestly stupid insult is just as ridiculous as needing to insult people to get your point across. Very good points made in his post save for that little spec, but you don't have to save the internet pl0x
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Thank you!... I think...
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hey sorry dude, I'm just very passionate about Community and I've been kind upset about how people have been making season out to be horrible when really, It hasent been all that bad. Not the best obviously but ok. And I meen cmon, I HAD to put idjit in there somewhere! lol
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It's dudette, actually :D It's okay, I respect everybody's opinions, I just find it difficult to take someone's comments seriously when they call everyone who disagrees with them "idiots". No hard feelings, though. Peace!
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it was 'idjits' not 'idiots'. It was actually a refrence and i was hoping maybe somebody would catch it...But apparently there are no wayward sons in the comunity fandom on tv.com XD so ya i dident actually meen 'idjits' as an insult...mostly... okay i was prety pissed when i wrote that. (oh and also i changed my mind and am really glad it turned out to not be real...cant believe i actaully wrote that i wish it where real...)

anyway, tottaly no hard feelings! *spoke hand gesture thingy- im really tired i cant remember what its called but u know what im talking about* Peace! 8D
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Just after I wrote the last comment it was announced that Community has been renewed, yet I can't get excited about it.
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I'm pretty disgusted with many of the negative comments at Cory, it's as bad as anything I've seen on this site and I'm no Cory sycophant, I'm almost always disagreeing with him about Community (I hated the puppet episode), Boardwalk Empire and his power rankings. Many people have decided that Cory's disagreeing with them on this episode means he is incompetent or not a fan of the show. These comments are getting high thumbs up counts.which is just as bad as the comments themselves. Why should people feel the need to belittle when holding a contrary opinion. What's wrong with just expressing your opinion and how you disagree without the discrediting someone else.

As for my opinion of the episode it had some exciting and high-concept moments but I think Cory's points are basically spot on, which is pretty rare for me. I can understand why many people loved it but to me it felt overly-gimmicky and shallow. As a season finale I thought it failed because it didn't resolve the season's stories (Changnesia, Spider, etc). As a possible series finale I was more disappointed because it failed to provide closure and Jeff's experience being a contrived hallucination managed to wipe out the importance of the few effective moments during the dark timeline invasion debacle.

The failure to wrap up this season's stories also concerns me because if the show does get renewed it will be forced to prolong these poisonous threads when I'd much prefer it have a tabula rasa. It's sad that I'm now almost hoping for the show to be cancelled to put it out of its misery, I never would have believed that were possible a year ago. I'm not totally done with the show but if it does get renewed I will only watch if it has a significant overhaul of the writing staff including replacing the show runners. Obviously bringing back Harmon would be ideal but mightn't be possible. There is no way I will watch a second of Season 5 if they use the same group of writers as this season.
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I appreciate this. Thank you.
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What about your own comments to other fans? I remember you poking fun or saying negative things about other people because of their grammar, saying others' arguments are ridiculous without even explaining why, etc.

I don't know who you're talking about when you talk about the negative comments Cory's receiving, I'm sure you mean someone else than me. I've never said he is incompetent, quite the contrary, actually. I really liked reading his writing, I've read everything he's ever written about Community. I just believe that critics are not fans, they're not as invested emotionally and they don't root for the shows the same way that we do. They're critics.

I don't think you can call yourself a fan if you hate the show's episodes. I'm talking about all the flack the show gets instead of focusing on the positive. People say 'I'm a fan' really loosely. Maybe the past tense would be in order. Maybe we just stop using the word 'fan' if it means you casually like the show every once in a while.

There were people hoping for it to get canceled rather than letting it be available for those of us who still enjoy it as much as when we first fell in love with it. To this people, I say... just don't watch it. Don't try to force us with this idea that killing it is better because it makes it go down in history as one of the greatest shows ever, etc... That's according to your opinion. I prefer to be entertained and keep being entertained than procuring glory for a limited number of seasons in a little DVD box set.

The show might even be better in season 5 than it ever was in other seasons. We don't know who is going to be involved. Maybe Dan Harmon will be. Maybe we bring some Happy Endings people. Maybe Matthew Perry comes along as a new teacher. Who knows? I wanna see it.
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You're defining fans too narrowly as people who show blind support for the show no matter what. So if people loved a show when it was at its peak and then become disappointed when the quality plummets you would bar them from being fans. That doesn't make a lot of sense and personally I think that anyone who believes loyalty to a show is the primary standard to be a fan instead having a real opinion isn't much of a fan. All that should be expected of anyone is that they give an honest opinion of any show and not feel they have to follow some predefined agenda to been seen giving the show support of lack there of. People should also not make negative assumptions about others who disagree with them.

I can see that your comments bear no real animosity towards Cory and some of the ones I alluded to were much worse than declaring Cory was not a fan. As for my supposed double standard, many comments have spelling/grammatical errors and I don't usually make cheap shots at them but when someone makes some particularly condescending points including that the original article was badly written and also managed to have poor spelling and grammar then I thought it was appropriate to highlight the irony of the situation.
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I have opinions and I'm loyal, I just don't think we're on the same page regarding the definition of 'fan'. I see how things are turning personal so I'll just stop talking in this thread. All the best, fellow human being!
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Amen!
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Apparently, these people don't know that belittling your opponent in a debate or exchange of viewpoints is a fallacy, and it actually diminishes their own claims.
Ad hominem, people, you should check it out. You should counter other people's claims, and not bash them simply because they have a different viewpoint.
P.S: I really enjoyed your observations on this episode :)
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Ad Hominem... Save the internet now...

People need to understand that insulting someone does not mean Ad Hominem which Webster defines as:

1: Appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
2: Marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made.

I believe your opinions are completely wrong due to the fact that you are an idiot <--- Ad hominem

I believe the show is actually decent and think that blah blah blah, dumbass <---- Just an insult.

I'm trying to save the internet by educating people on how to correctly call Ad Hominem without sounding like a whiny person that just lost an argument. (not that this is the case, cause i'm sure you'll overly read between the lines)
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Well, thank you for explaining much better the point I was trying to make. :D
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Thanks.
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Oh, no! A review written by Evil Cory! This IS the darkest timeline ever... Bring Good Cory back! But even then, Cory, good or evil, is still one of my favorite reviewers.
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what happened with the giant spider plan ? Did I miss something ?
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Oh, I totally forgot about that. Lord, lot of dropped stories.
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Nope, but I do think that they'll bring that back next season
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ya know, as far as the Jeff having an Abed moment goes, i don't see how it is illogical for Jeff, who has been hanging out with Abed for 4 years to subconciously pick up on how Abed might react to a situation like that, especially since they swung back to the alternate timelines thing with the die. Now you throw in that the moment had something already also familiar to Jeff with paintball, and the fact that Jeff has prior chemistry with Annie when they kiss in season 1, and seeing as how they deemed that to be a bad idea is it really such a stretch of the imagination to think that Jeff would see that Evil Jeff and Evil Annie would have hooked up in the Darkest timeline? It seemed logical to me at least. Now lets talk about Abed giving Jeff words of wisdom in what was Jeff's fantasy. Jeff Winger, as we have seen in every single episode of community, is the KING of giving the shocking revelation speech. So while you think it is strange that Abed is even helping Jeff so vividly in the fantasy sequence, i simply took it as Jeff having the shocking revelation speech given to him for once in the form of Abed. The words were obviously already Jeff's words, but he gave them to Abed because once again, as we saw in S1 Abed can judge what people might do or say based on their actions. Is it really a stretch to think Jeff might not have picked that up as well from 4 years of being with this group? Pierce totally would have shot himself because he thought he was winning, Britta would have shot herself by accident while trying to make the audience feel guilty, Evil troy was spot on calling a bluff on himself, which was hilarious, and so on.
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I understand that line of thinking, I really do. I just don't buy it.
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I wish I could like this a thousand times :)
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Thanks =) i guess im just one of few who just watch the shows i love to enjoy them, and frankly this episode to me was enjoyable
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I'm right there with you. I thought it was a really nice (unfortunately i can't say that word without hearing it in Sherly's voice) episode. You made the whole thing sound a lot more logical. Not that I was worried about such things since it's Community after all but it was a good synopsis :)
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the episode before this was too predictable and littered with corny one liners, and a very poorly done Chevy stunt double joke that flat-lined the episode for me. I haven't seen this final episode yet and now I'm not sure if I should. I mean scrubs's infamous ninth season didn't stop me from loving the show. but this season while having had some good episodes has almost made me not want to watch this show anymore.
And to Cory Barker, Dan Harmon had brilliant Ideas and a great feel for writing the only well written episode this season was Jim Rash's. The terrible episode that was the first of this season was nothing compared to what Dan Harmon and his writer's could have done.
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I love that most people are trashing me for hating this version of the show, and now you're coming at me because I like it too much.

And by the way, most of the writers who put together S4 were on the staff with Harmon. Not that much of a difference.
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Not true sometimes writing staff are asked to take on different styles of writting this past season felt like a forced perspective of fan service instead of what dan harmon was getting the writers to do. I mean look it up Dan Harmon's writing method is very interesting and should be noted.
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Most shows writing methods should be noted
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It wasn't that bad, standard late era Community it's a long time since it was essential viewing and should now stop.
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I thought the season was going to end on a cliffhanger.
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They couldent end it on a cliffhanger because they didn't know if it was the last episode or not, so if it was the ;last episode, the whole show would have ended on a clifhanger. And that would have sucked.
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It would have been far worse if the alternate timeline was real, but it still doesn't make sense anyway.
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*glares* it makes perfect sense!!

... if- if you think about it.. for a...long.. time........ *starts sweating* COMUNITY IS AMAZING EVEN IF THIS SEASON WASENT EXACLY THE BEST ITS STILL GREAT *PANICS*RUNS THREW A WINDOW*SWALLOWS A SCARY LOOKING TROLL*BREAKS A BATMAN DVD*CREATS SEVEN DIFFRENT TIMELINES*LOCKS SELF IN A CAGE WITH A GLOBE AND KETCHUP*TRIES TO CUT OFF SOMEONES ARM*GROWS A BEARD*GRADUATES EARLY*
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Did I not warn you that you were being overly-generous and would get burned? This interview I think is a reflection of the level of hope you got from a few not-terrible episodes in the past few weeks only to have another very clumsy, gimmicky, and out-of-control mess coming off of that. I didn't see it quite as bad as you did because those few decent episodes weren't lifting my expectations, it was bad but I couldn't say it was "terrible" because this whole season has been bad, rotten even.

Your assessments are right on the money though, blatantly and stupidly gimmicky, trying too hard to tie things together, fan-wankery out the ass, utter nonsense, and the whole Kevin/Chang lack of payoff really left us feeling like we wasted our time. This show has fallen quite far.

I don't even get the logic of the "darkest timeline" being the "evil" timeline, they were the same people before everything went bad, it's only Abed who thinks that means they have to devolve into the exact evil opposites. Yet this is Jeff's fantasy, and it's a blithering mess. It also completely undercut the dice-throwing idea of branching universes, it revisited a concept in a way that essentially crapped all over it, for no reason.

And then it really didn't have anything for Pierce yet again, so it's another mark on the "why Chevy was right to throw a tantrum and leave" tallyboard.

I want to see the show return, I want to see the show that hinted at its better days in a few episodes at the tail end of this season, moments where nobody had a huge gimmick and nobody was being dishonest to the series or undercutting it, where these characters had small moments together that led to funny things. But this show we got last night? I don't want to see that return.
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Oh man, "interview", "review", this cold has me on my ass.
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No worries. I didn't necessarily have higher expectations because of the recent episodes, but yeah, this one was not reflective of what I see as a slight increase in quality.
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To be fair, it's obvious this finale was done before the uptick, hence the lack of Pierce in the previous 3 or 4 episodes. But I still think it needs a stronger vision, a cohesive idea for what it is trying to say and where it's going, without that it devolves into repetitive, derivative nonsense that can only hope to break out of that here and there. Hopefully season 5 will get back on track.
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My expectations were so low that I ended up not hating the episode. It was bad, but kinda par for the course this season. I won't be sad if the show is canceled.
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For a potential last ever episode.... it sucked. My only highlight was Troy. TROY FTW!
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i dont think it sucked, *(but for a potential last episode, ya coulda done better) but OMG YESS TROY WAS AMAZING
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This was the best episode of a poor season, and the writers seem to be trying to tie up the series in case there is no renewal
i thought the hoopla about the puppet episode was way too much and Advanced Introduction To Finality had a few good points, Troy, Shirley, The Dean and Abed all had a few decent scenes - but this season seems to have been more about Jeff and his personal growth ( i just had a little vomit in my mouth from saying that ).
His emotional development came at the cost of the group, because i think the writers didn't have a clue how to write the other characters - there wasn't much Troy and Abed quality stuff this season, Britta was marginalized (apart from her dance episode) and her contribution was more about psychology - WHICH SHE SUCKS AT - being able to help mainly Jeff.
Shirley had some great scenes this season, but the episode with her family was more about the others trying to get away than Shirley getting screen time .
Pierce was used sparingly and his graduation seemed an afterthought to Jeffs, But this is how he was used all season - as an afterthought. We all knew Chase was leaving (he hasn't done anything decent since the 1980's, but still slits his own throat career wise by acting like a child), but while he is under contract he has to do his job, so make Pierce the bad guy foil which worked so well in previous seasons.
I do think there will be a season 5 because it did get some good ratings at the start of the season and NBC has cut so much of its comedy shows that it will need a brand name to stick in the schedule. If renewed early the writers may have more time to improve the balance of the show - making it less about one character
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I'll add this. Community is not exactly the Wire. It doesn't need intricate intertwining plot lines and hard core continuity. There were enough shout-out's to previous epsiodes and characters to make me happy; The Starburns flyer, Vicky, Leonard, Magnitude (that blonde I cant remember) sitting in on the graduation (though I'd have loved to see Vaugn make a cameo). That's what Community does well; references. Abed saying "We finally figured out how to make paintball cool again" is a good example of 4th wall breaking that is fun. Who cares about changnesia or city college. That city college is kinda a riff on Frat movies anyway. The best part of city college was the palatable sexual tension between the deans. You know those 2 are gettin freaky on the weekend (probably in crazy cosplay!)
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I don't think it was as bad as you were describing. Sure, I would have liked something else in the finale, like the spider thingy plan coming to life. But I like alternate timelines, so I was not upset about the episode. But it left a taste of unfinished in the mouth. Hope the show will be back for another season.
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With the very odd sequence, I thought it was Abed dreaming as a way to give the group one last hurrah.

When it was revealed to be Jeff, I was thoroughly confused.
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AJNOIJHVBHNJMKLXDCYVUGHBJ!!!!!!

Has EVERYONE forgoten that Jeff was raised by TV?????? HE IS JUST AS MUCH OF A NERD AS ABED IS. Its just kind of you know... secret. lol :P
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Can't understand the problem with understanding Abed's role in Jeff's dream, Abed isn't actually doing anything but being the manifestation of Jeff's thoughts, prompting him into realising what he needs to do to 'conquer' his dream fears.

I thought it was an average episode, some good points and some bad. You genuinely believe that the other timeline shouldn't have been imaginary? I disagree, it was obvious that it was going to be in someone's head very early on and rightly so. Of course I was thinking Abed (the patch where people teleported into the Dean's office being made of dreamatorium was a nice red herring) so was pleasantly surprised that it was Jeff himself.

All in all I think the season has been fine, sure not the best but I for one still hope for another season. It's still a cleverer comedy than most.
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Abed definitely did stuff. He ran off and met with his doppelganger at the apartment.
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Imaginary Abed did, but this was in Jeff's dream. Just like the other people he was just a part of it, his actions along with all the others led to Jeff's final decision and fear confrontation.

He had a more prominent role in being telported to the evil timeline and meeting with his doppleganger, and then using his knowledge (and the deanleganger) to make all the good characters believe Jeff about the evil versions (as well as supply the paintballs guns).

However as all of this was within Jeff's mind it doesn't make his role anymore real than that of evil Jeff or anyone else within the dream.

I think of it as an instant thought process as he goes to throw the die, concluding with the end of the episode where he doesn't throw the die, however this instant thought process was played out to us as a story with the good versions of the study group versus the evil versions.
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I LOVE YOU. WILL U MARY ME? *offers ring*
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In this scenario would I be marrying a female or a male (the later is kind of a deal breaker I'm afraid)
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Female... Last time I checked :P
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Yeah. Abed was just the Angel on "fantasy Jeff's" shoulder helping guide him to make the right choice. Whereas Evil Jeff was, well, the Devil on his shoulder. We saw both of their stories, even away from Jeff, because he was imaging them.Thought this was pretty clear.
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I think they made this episode so off the wall was that they knew NBC was not going to bring them back, so they just gave shout outs to all the small quirky things over the years that only true fans would get. I loved that the alternate timeline brought back The Cape for Abed and the chalkboard during the graduation ceremony had "Six Seasons and a Movie." Troy vs. Evil Troy was hilarious and bringing back paintball was interesting. All in all to me it just felt like them giving the middle finger to everyone who criticized the show over the years and if they were going to go out it was going to be on there own terms being the weird show we all grew to love. Pierce being dumb enough to shoot himself just to win as well as making sure he graduated first was a nice continuation of the fact that all the guy really wanted to do was win and be included while doing so.
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EXACLY!! Thats EXACLY what i thought they were doing in this episode!! One big middle finger to all the people critisizing this season (of which they have been bending over backwards to try and mold it to our will) saying that "SCREW U, THIS IS COMMUNITY AND ID WE'S BE LEAVING FOR GOOD, THEN WE LEAVE AS A COMMUNITY!!"

F YA
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