Defiance "The Devil in the Dark" Review: Bug Hunt

Defiance S01E03 "The Devil in the Dark"

If you weren't liking Defiance before tonight, "The Devil in the Dark" was probably the nail in the coffin. And I can't say I blame you.

Last week gave us some insight into the Castithan dynamics, and how the town attempted to reconcile the cultural differences among all its inhabitants. This week was less concerned with the bigger picture and more concerned with telling us more about the Irathients by way of Irisa. It wasn't a bad approach, especially since Irisa is one of the show's primary characters, but the episode was decidedly dull. 

Apparently, Irisa suffered from visions and hallucinations in the past, visions that Nolan had chalked up to post-traumatic stress disorder, but those visions had gotten worse since they had settled in Defiance. Irisa having PTSD was believable enough, given the hints at past abuse in her life, but why her symptoms that were actually visions from the Irathients' god or gods—I haven't been able to determine whether they're mono- or polytheistic—would grow stronger after settling in the town remain a mystery to me. In any case, she was having visions of butterflies and an attack in a field, and it was not outside the realm of possibility that they were flashbacks to her childhood. Except they weren't.

The Spirit Riders, the band of marauding Irathients we met in the season premiere, returned this week, including their top hat-wearing leader, Sukar (Noah Danby). Their return also coincided with two deaths of prominent members of the town and an attempt on Christie's life at the Tarr residence. All the attacks were perpetrated by hellbugs, which looked like the mutant offspring of a lamprey and a crustacean. It turned out that the visions Irisa was having were actually of Rynn's past; Rynn is a Spirit Rider who used to live near Defiance until the two now-dead humans killed her parents and nearly killed her. Rynn was controlling the bugs through pheromones in an effort to avenge her parents.

Any of this—Irisa's visions or Rynn's desire for vengeance—might've been more interesting if the episode had given either a bit more time to breathe. Do so would not only have expanded our understanding of Nolan and Irisa's relationship, it would've strengthened the parallels that the episode's closing montage (set, of course, to a cover of the Five Stairsteps' "O-o-h Child") attempted to drive home as three fathers, one biological (Rafe) and two surrogate (Nolan and Sukar), tried to deal with the changes in their respective daughters' lives. The episode wanted it to mean something, but there just wasn't enough space in the narrative for it to have much impact, and an appropriately heavy-handed song choice couldn't make up for that.

Instead, the episode followed a more procedural- and action-oriented path, which might've been fine, but it was never very interesting or even exciting. Datak's fight with the hellbugs was resolved almost entirely off-screen, and what we did see was mostly him goading the bugs into attacking him. The attack on the hive was likewise not very compelling (malfunctioning elevators, covering themselves in hellbug crap), the weird, quasi-unsettling design for the hellbug queen aside. Even that design though, like the Volge attack in the pilot, felt sort of game-y. Was there a hellbug-related mission launched in the video game this week?

If there was one thing duller than the hunt for the hellbugs, it was the star-crossed lovers thing still going on between Christie and Alak. When's the wedding happening? Can we speed that up a bit? It doesn't help that Nicole Munoz and Jesse Rath are probably the least interesting actors on the show, and their two characters share a similar problem because they're stuck in "petulant teenagers in love" mode; it's hard to make that very engaging without spending more time with them. What's more, I have no sense of who either of them are beyond their relationship to one another.

The only sequence of any real interest in this episode was Sukar's attempt to more fully awaken and guide Irisa through her visions. None of this was particularly original in its execution—which involved chanting, bloodletting, body-painting, and powerful drugs—and it placed the Irathients very much into our conceptions of many indigenous cultures, which in turn fed into the idea of the race as untamed Others. Even Sukar's use of the top hat and his quiet, thoughtful conversation with Amanda screamed "noble savage" at us. The theft of Rynn's parents' farm and Rafe's dodgy contracts for it were just cherries on this sundae. I might not have minded the lack of originality if the show hadn't stuffed so much of it into single episode, but since it did, it felt like a bit much.



LAWKEEPER FILES

– Rafe's servant is a Liberata, so for those keeping track at home, that's every member of the Votan accounted for except for the Gulanee.

– I don't know how much Kenya got paid to pour hot grease on that guy, but however much it was, it clearly wasn't enough. I suppose it was fitting that the hellbug devoured him from the inside, though. I just wished someone had made a "I guess he was just a glutton for punishment" joke. *Puts on his sunglasses.*

– On the upside, there wasn't a "Nicky and Birch trying to destroy the town" plot this week. That being said, I was half-convinced for a bit that Nicky and Birch had manipulated Rynn into launching the hellbug assault. 

– Amands is up for re-election? Already? Wasn't she just elected? How much time has passed since the pilot? Sheesh.


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This episode game the same vibes I was getting when watching terra nova ... and that can never be a good thing.
I'll give it the 4 episodd test .... but, I think I'll be done after that.
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I am seriously getting a vibe that this show is gonna turn into a soap drama between neighbors, bar fights, awkward relationships and there won't be any sci-fi left.. hence justifying SyFy...
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Everyone who has read my previous comments know I'm not a big fan of the show. I think it's a lame excuse for slapping facepaint and make-up on actors, expanding our vocabulaties with alien words, making alien races seem like total incompetant a*holes and calling it a sci fi show.

I'm not changing my tune this week....however....

I liked the premise of Irisa's visions and I thought that story could have carried the episode well enough if it were not for the finding the 'evil' Rynn inside the hellbug layer only to find that 200 pound wallclimbing meateating crustaceans were not a problem at all compared to their taller than a building mother bug (or whatever that thing was supposed to represent). I thought it was overkill and poor judgement. Trust me a layer filled just with hellbugs would have been enough to show the danger the town was in.

Also not a big fan of the stereotyping of the races and characters. Shadowriders are bikers of some sort and obviously are going to terrorize a town which welcomed them.... it's easy and it's lame. Also I don't know power dynamics within Irathient culture but a leader wearing a fluffy fake mint green fur thing.... Seriously that thing belongs in an 80's music video of some madonna wannabe boy band.

I think they need to tone down the dangers of the week plots and keep it small. Show us more detailed glimpses into our characters. Show us why we should like and care for these characters.

Good thing this episode... Irisa is starting to become interesting.
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To answer the last question of the review: the mayor wasn't elected (or not really) if I remember well the first, she has been nominated to replace/by the (too or "try to be too") old one.

For me a good 'Syfy' show, maybe the more accomplished for many years for them or in real SF, even if it has his weaknesses (budget-SyFy-mainly unknown actors), strong background/history and fun overall. Liked this episode in all the ways and for the technical part: the energy knife can become a sword... !
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I just saw this episode this morning. I don't have much to say except that I'm quitting the show. This episode was sooooo boring and lame. This is basically what I expected would happen after the fun premiere. It's shows and episodes like this that remind me why I wasn't a fan of sci-fi for most of my life. I can understand the appeal to some sci-fi fans of a "new world" with a bunch of different species, so rather than saying the show sucks, I'll just say that it just isn't for me.
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Don't write all sci-fi because of this lame excuse for a sci-fi show, Farscape was much better and kind of disappointed with Rockne S.O. Bannon but if you haven't yet go watch Battlestar Galactica such an amazing remake and I think redefines the genre of sci-fi!
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I didn't terribly mind this episode, but was a little confused by it all. Like, I followed that Rynn was getting revenge. Okay. I get the two guys she managed to kill were actually the two who killed her parents. Okay. I get that later in life, these two tried to be respectable business men and sold or leased land to Rafe that they claimed came from an Irathient landowner. Okay. That land and Rynn, apparently, all were part of the tent city origin of Defiance, so she was coming home. Okay. And Rafe should have known better because the Irathient signature was in English, not that language Irissa has been writing in because back then that wouldn't have happened. That was a lot of steps for episode three.

I would like an episode to explain more of Nolan and Irissa's origins. Like, apparently her parents were horrible people who likely abused her and Nolan killed them. But how old was she (heck, how old is she now, the actress under the make up looks like she is about eighteen) when Nolan took her. She obviously wasn't a baby, and the more I keep watching, I am guessing like she was 10. Old enough to know her language and have some idea of her culture but young enough that she can adapt and get attached to a human culture. Even if that human is basically an Irath himself without any of the religious connotations.
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I liked this episode. Did not think much of the previous episode but there was some good character development of the Irathients in this one. I find Irisa to be an interesting character and I like that we got to learn a bit more about her and it should be interesting to explore her beliefs and culture some more. Also, liking Sukar. Hope we get to see more of him!

The teen love story, I really don't get it. The guy cowered behind Christie on the floor and left her to fight the bugs, and yet she still looks at him with doe eyes. Are there really that few eligible guys her age in Defiance?! Christie is one of the worst written characters ever and the less we see of her in future the better!

Also the brothel, is it really necessary? Couldn't it have simply being a bar. It kind of feels gratuitous and doesn't really add any meaning or impact.
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Also no former Mayor Nicky is always a positive, that story line has the potential to suck majorly!
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Review was well done.

Dear SyFy: Please cancel this show and try something different next season.

PS - Can you send me some of those memory erasing devices from MIB so I can forget I ever watched this? Thanks in advance.
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Ok, it was the first episode of Defiance I would call: "Not Bad". Perhaps there is still a hope for this show.

1. Irathients are the first alien race I find interesting. I would gladly learn more about their culture. Also the biker dude is awesome.

2. Irisa's knife-kata - more of this please!

3. Mia Kirshner + BDSM + Alien = Sweet!

4. In Castithan eyes human girl is perverted. She doesn't want to bath naked with Stahma and her family. That makes Datak a very sad panda.
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Thumbs up for the Mia Kirshner part ! :D
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I wouldn't get too upset about this ep. since it was just more a fluff ep. and all shows do that. I think if you look at the hell bug thing and just concentrate on that, you're missing the point on how it gave us insight to Irisa and the Irathients which wasn't all that bad.

The worst thing was "Ooh Ooh Child" in that ending, hahaha. Wonderful, beautiful song on its own but may have been one of the cheesiest, corniest ways to use it.

So ultimately we can't expect Defiance to be full speed all the time before this ep. so I'll chalk it up to mostly a fluff ep.
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This episode was needed exactly when it aired, Irisa has been a mystery as far as background and abilities, besides she was an orphan and she is skilled with knives. Now there is a picture behind a character who is obviously in it for the long haul. Whether you like her or not... but I think she's awesome
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OK, I actually thought this episode was wayyyy better than the last one! The tighter focus on the mysterious alien-case-of-the-week helped, especially since the most boring parts- Christie and Alak and their families- were also tied into the main plot. Also I enjoyed the heavier emphasis the 'western' part of the space-western-but-on-Earth genre of the show. Almost gave me flashbacks to Firefly! Almost. In short, I was ready to quit Defiance after the last episode but this one made me want more. Hooray!

Dumb stuff: again, an unbearable song cover. This isn't Lost, you can't just play a song over a montage of clips and act like that's meaningful resolution. I ain't buying it. Also, Boss Irathient needs to change his look. Steam punk is sooo last century. And one last bitch- cool running shoes are precious and scarce commodity, but then the guy just whips out his working iPod like it's NBD? Suuure, show, Apple products are more plentiful and durable than shoes. Right.
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I hope they don't turn Irisa into a Mary Sue especially now that she has special alien powers. Personally, she is my least favourite character. I just don't like angsty teenagers.

I also thought Rynn was somewhat in cahoots with the old mayor and the guy with funky glasses. Apparently that was not the case.

I thought the episode was okay. That brothel scene was really off-putting. It could have been done without the hot grease. Initially I thought this episode was following the procedural structure with Nolan investigating yet another murder. But it was interesting to see that they are indeed developing characters. I like the show but I still feel like its not living up to its hype and will be prematurely cancelled.

I also wonder how many languages to the aliens have. Is it a language per alien race, because it seems so. Firefly still has the best use of bilingualism in any show out there. I can see that this show is trying to copy that.
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what do you mean nothing happened.How about the Lovecraftian monsters, yes Lovecraftian, folks.Ctulhu is rising.okay, fine.It was boring. Still, anything remotely reminding me of Lovecraft can't be that bad.
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I was kind of disappointed with this episode. Really, I was looking forward to it so much and then... This? It was everything you said: way too much, no air to breathe, just... Ah! It's like... The episode happened and I don't know when. It didn't feel like it was 45min, it felt like it only lasted 5 minutes, because nothing happened, and what did happen, was one event really slowly. Normally, you're used to several storylines happening at once, which means you're constantly paying attention and at the end it feels like so much happened and like you've been watching for at least two hours.
And I'm not asking for GOT, okay? GOT is awesome, but I don't "need" that many storylines. But more than one? Yes. Preferably some good ones. And some air to breathe too, if possible.
I'm sad. I hope it'll get better next week! Not giving up yet.
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The series would have been OK, but I didn't like any of the characters. They are ALL unlikable. That's a really bad start for any show if you can't even like any of the characters. What kind of lead character (the father) goes upstairs at a brothel to screw a whore while the "daughter" is knowingly waiting downstairs... It's so unlikable and disgusting. That and that the whore is the mayor's sister. The brothel part of the series and the unnecessary nudity by that white woman shouldn't have been there at all. It's just killing it for me. Plotwise it's decent enough, but it's not the greatest show for sure.
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No naked Jaime Murray? Nooooooooo. Well, then there is no reason for me to watch this episode.
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hey. If you don't like the show can you please watch it just so you can rip it apart on this site, or at least DVR it. This way they won't cancel it. Those of us who like the show will be grateful.
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I didn't like this episode. Not liking an episode does not equal disliking an show. You commented twice on last week's post, so you're at least aware that I liked last week's episode.

Also: I'm really humbled you think that one bad episode review from me will send the on a ratings death spiral.
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Ha ha ha!!! The pen is mightier than the sword.
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I liked it. It is still going fairly well. I like Irisa as a character and l imagine she is going to be integral to the overall story. It was an interesting plot. And the doctor made an appearance so that is always welcomed.
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The hellbug queen/matron is pretty much identical to the one in the game.

As for missions added to the game they basically just added different color bugs and a check list of go kill x amount.

There were however already missions in the game about a killer using hellbug pheromones to attack people. The game presented this as being unprecedented yet in the show Nolan knows all about hellbug pheromones despite having no role in those game missions.
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Thanks for the info! I haven't been able to bring myself pick up the game (I can only play an MMO for about 20 hours before getting bored), so accounts of the game connecting to the show (and vice versa) interest me a bit.
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I liked learning more about Irisa, and the other Irathients. That was a lot more interesting than the lazily written hellbug portion of the episode.
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I thought it was a good episode, but I can see why you and others might not have liked it too much. I enjoy the show because I don't take it too seriously, plus it has a variety of aliens who all have different backgrounds and I am interested to see how they all continue to interact with one another as well as learning more about their life before the war and Defiance. I can do without the Romeo and Juliet storyline, but I am not too bothered by it considering the show doesn't focus too much on them. Also Datak is hilarious with his comments (saying the girl wouldn't be a good wife because she didn't want to take a bath with everyone).

I think what keeps me watching the most is Irissa and Nolan. I like the father-daughter relationship between them, and last night's episode really emphasized how much they mean to each other. Nolan wanted to help Irissa and he was clearly hurt when she started connecting with Sukar. I will continue to watch the show, because I think that as time goes on it will continue to improve.
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Episode 3 and already the first filler episode. Yikes.
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So far there's been a case for Nolan every week, which makes the show resemble more of a sci-fi crime procedural. I was expecting the show to be different. I guess I thought the main mystery, whatever the former mayor is trying to achieve or something similar, would be more at the forefront.
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I think the best Sci-Fi show on TV right now is Continuum. I don't know what this is, and I think this show directors really don't know either. It is suposed to be Sci-Fi show, but without aliens and fancy weapons it's another cop show + teenage drama.
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I see Noel you'r doing reviews now. Sorry to say this,but like you already mentioned,episode was dull and snooze fest and just reading review and what happened in episode makes me even more sleepy.
Julie Benz is soooooooooo boring. Every scene she has this annoying voice:D
Pilot was ok,nothing special,2nd episode was ok,but this one was the worst out of 3 so far. I think atm too many characters and just plain old human bs with guns,bombs,etc. To think this show is about aliens,you would get something smart and new out of it,but no...song remains the same. And talking about songs...every episode will end with some song,right? Ok,Cash,Nirvana are great,but I just don't see how music goes along with this show. Seems cheesy to me.
Show itself is ok,still "young" since it only has 3 episodes...so I will give it some time to impress me more.

So about game...what impact does game have on show? I think I already know answer to this,which is zero to none:D,but making people believe,that it has some "impact". I believe that they make choices so that,people might think it will have some major impact on show,but all in all or towards "end game" will change nothing. Example: Star Wars The Old Republic...you play as a Jedi,can make all those dark side decisions,but in the end,you still remain Jedi and nothing major happened.
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I did last week's episode, too.
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Oh,I thought that You-Know-Who did it,that's why I didn't even bother checking at the time.
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Seriously give it time.. they have to start with some basic premises so everyone can get "involved" with the show. I thought they did a lot of the small things really well. Consider this verse NBCs' Revolution. Revolutions production and such was so bad I gave up after 2 episodes. I feel they are really doing well with Defiance. Sure it has a touch of different Sci-Fi series in it. Human nature is human nature.. They have to have some basic conflicts or there wouldn't be anything to right about. I thought how they brought the spirit riders into the fold, used the hell bugs, etc.. some of it was unique, like using the pheromones on the mother to have the bugs take her out. Proves at least they are thinking outside the shoot'em up and run storys. They also addressed where the Mississippi went and why St. Louis is in mountainous terrain now in a rather cool way. Give it time, most the "Canned" Sci-fi issues can be fodder for the first years episodes as the build its own unique canon and story. I say so far so GOOD. Some of the best series, DS9, B5, BSG all had rocky starts until the writing and actors got comfortable.
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I was expecting and looking forward to Datak being pissed about how his son handled himself during the fight with the Hell Bug but, *sighs* they ignored it, so there's that.
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I thought it was mentioned by Datak - about how the son was able to save his girlfriend. That was to make the son look better, so maybe that is why the girl went along with it. I guess she is blinded by love.
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I don't think they ignored it. I think his cowardice will be addressed later.
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oh yeah and the doc was back which as you noted last week is a plus
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I really liked the pilot. disliked and was utterly bored by episode 2, enjoyed this one. I think my problems with episode 2 and not this one was all of the focus on secondary characters in the second episode. I have zero interest in dartak's family and mcaughley's family and that crap on their own. I have zero interest in the ex-mayor's scheming. if they include those characters in a non scheming and non-central way i'm happy and wont complain. also I grew pretty fond of the irathian dude in just the short period of time he was focues on.
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U make some excellent points. As a part of the bigger story those side stories work. As a collage of side stories wo any link to other stories or characters they're weak. I also hate the ex-mayor conspiracy storyline. I would love for the writers to quickly squash that angle and move on.
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I'll continue to watch and enjoy the characters and the show. I'll also continue to ignore the unlikable reviews and skip to the comments.
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So you ignored my...I guess likeable?...review last week to skip to the comments...? Or did you not comment at all because I liked the episode?
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I'm just happy Tim doesn't review this show.
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Oh man, that would be worth watching the show for. Tim would be pulling his hair out.
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I completely disagree w this review. I'm one of those people who have had issues w this show so far, particularly the fact that the characters started pretty bland and have been seriously lacking in depth, along w some plot holes. But this episode locked me in. Individual character growth, development in relationships, a deeper look into an alien culture (which was way way better than last weeks "torture for being a scaredy cat" supposed culture), a solid story that didn't contradict established ideas.. For the first time I actually gave a damn about what was happening w the characters and I gained a new respect some of the main characters. The only thing I didn't like was the design of the mama hell bug. Looked like one of the brain bugs from Starship Troopers banged a xenomorph and out came a queen hell bug. But I'm pleasantly surprise that was the only thing I disliked. Well, ok, Dr. Monotone still annoyed me (why do u guys like her so much!?!?!?!?) but she had very little screen time so I'm good w it. Oh, also glad to see less focus on the Mayor this week and when she was on screen she wasnt flexing her usual weakness. First top notch episode IMO and for the first time I'm really looking forward to seeing where they take the story next week.
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I was going to ask the same thing about the doctor. What an overtly annoying character.
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Great idea. Dull execution.
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I actually really loved this episode. What's confounded me before was the relationship between Nolan and Irisa, but now they finally started acting like father and daughter and it's interesting to see. I also like the feel of the show, that it's not trying to throw all the scifi elements at as but just trying to tell a story that happens to take place among aliens.
For me Defiance has lived up to my expectations and I hope it survives the harsh critics
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Same here.. if it can become something like Walking Dead, where its a story about a group and their struggles to survive, and less about the cool aliens and thier tech (or in the case of TWD the gross zombies and their blood). Then it has a great shot.. this episode shows a TON of promise.
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And another show that tv.com is starting to get tired of. I wish I could say that's not predictable, but they seem to hate 90% of television right now, so it's not even a little surprising. What happened to the days when people understood that story takes time. It's not always going to hold you on the edge of your seat.

Every single book has boring chapters in it, but they are present because they need to be. The difference? You can fit a lot into a book, they have to fit all of this into an episode that's just over 40 minutes long.

I'm sorry, but anyone who has abandoned a show after three episodes is an idiot. I'll probably catch a lot of crap for saying that, but I don't care at all. People have no patience these days and its causing good television to get canceled and replaced with less story and more flashiness.

And before people give me the respecting their opinion crap, you're right I don't respect your opinion. I respect your freedom to GIVE an opinion. There's a huge difference between the two that people often mix up. Say whatever you want, just expect some commentary.

In my personal opinion, anyone who gives up on a show after three episodes is an idiot. Those people would certainly disagree, and I'm cool with that, but that doesn't really invalidate my opinion.
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*deep breath in, deep breath out* *deep breath in, deep breath out*

There's no vast conspiracy on the site to hate 90 percent of television right now. There's no editorial mandate about this. Bad episodes are bad episodes, good episodes are good episodes, and we all have different opinions about what constitutes what.

I made no grand proclamations about Defiance's overall quality, nor would I about any other show's, based on three episodes (I don't even like doing it after four, to be honest). My nod in the opening sentence to people leaving the show came about as a result of me really liking last week's episode (you can go read the review!) and that episode getting ravaged in the comments. Defiance has plenty of time to grow. I simply didn't like this episode. I may like next week's.

I have an immense amount of patience for programming. (I imagine that some in the Arrow comments imagine that I just have *too* much patience.) I gave a show I didn't like from the first season three more season to see if I could see what people loved about it before I departed. It wasn't for me. Was that enough patience, or should I still be watching it?

If people want to quit a show after a certain amount of time that doesn't meet your personal standards, it's their prerogative, in much the same way it's your prerogative to call them an idiot.

*deep breath in, deep breath out* *deep breath in, deep breath out*
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Sorry, but your the one who seems not to understand the concept of an EPISODE review. All he said was that he didnt like the parts of the EPISODE and the way it was built, not the entire show!
And i guess u dindt actually read the review, because if u did u would see that he said that some parts were actually rushed.

I dindt like this EPISODE aswell, the only thing that i liked was that finally we see Nola and Irisa acting like father and daughter.
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I agree w most of what u said. I wouldn't go as far as calling everyone idiots, but I have a general rule that if I'm gonna try a new show I give it at least four eps. I figure a pilot is basically introducing characters and setting the base story, the next ep or two is starting to grow the concept and getting to know characters, by the end of ep 4 you should have a pretty good idea of what the show and characters will be like week to week and you can make a judgement.
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I don't see why everyone who gives up is an idiot. If you are not enjoying something, it makes sense not to stick with it. Why waste time with a show you already are not enjoying, just in the hope it gets better? I understand things can improve and sometimes things take time to find their feet - even my beloved Fringe, Buffy, and Supernatural had teething problems and had more than their fair share of lame episodes, especially in the first seasons - but I certainly wouldn't. Not when there are numerous shows that are able to grip me from the start, or like those I mentioned, had enough greatness and potential about them to balance out the flaws.
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Gave up watching after the 1st half of the pilot.

Such a stupid realization of a not so bad concept!
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Its SciFi.. and one where they are trying to pack a lot into a new show. Giving up after 1/2 of an episode doesn't give the writers and producers enough time to fairly judge them. That said.. by episode 3 I knew Revolution was a pointless waste of time, in this case Defiance turned the corner on episode 3.
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In reference to the question of hellbug content for the game. Starting this week there is more hellbug content including elemental hellbugs.
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I really want this show to succeed, but yeah it was boring. I think the writers need to realize that the story needn't be complex for us to enjoy it. A lot of people criticized the pilot for being too cliche, but I think 'cliche' is what Defiance really needs right now. A couple of 'feel good' episodes at the beginning of the season would have worked wonders. We don't need to jump into culture clashes and morose flashbacks straight away.
Nolan was introduced as a Han Solo-esque character in the pilot, but he has shown zero personality in the next two episodes. History has taught us that new shows usually start out as either character-driven or story-driven, a formula that generally works in the beginning. As time passes and when the audience gets comfortable with a show, the two could be combined. But Defiance has started off as a combination of the two, the ultimate result being that we neither care about the characters or the story. I'm still going to continue watching out of sheer desperation for a purely sci-fi show (with aliens), but it needs less depth and more focus (if that makes sense!).
At the very least, it could use some humor. Lighten up, Defiance!
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I gave up after two episodes. It looks like tonight's is a snoozer so I won't bother.
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I did too, I thought I might watch this episode and if it was good I'd keep watching it but this review changed my mind, I give up.
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The review I feel was wrong.. I thought the pilot was very formula.. but OK. The second episode was pretty bleh.. but the third episode I think started to show flashes of what could be a great series. I would wait until next week and watch Ep3 and Ep4 together. I actually likes Ep2 better the second time around (as they showed it right before Ep3 and the TV was on)
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Maybe my problems is that I'm just old. I'm not big on procedural shows unless they are character driven or entertaining. Humor is a big plus with me. This show doesn't have any. That's not a crime; it's just not that entertaining for someone like me. I also like suspense, and I don't find any of that in this show either. I love sci fi, so I'm sure I'll give this another try, but I'm losing hope for it.
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Mommy?
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Antdude, you're a baby. I'm old enough to be your teen mom.
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Same here. I am old too (almost 40!).
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Part of the problem with this show, for me, is a systemic one. They haven't given me a reason to like anyone. Just because Nolan and his daughter are the stars doesn't mean I like them. I don't like that Nolan reneged on his promise to take his adopted daughter to Antarctica to hang around a town she didn't like. And I don't like her petulant attitude. I don't like the mayor, and I pretty much don't care one way or the other about any of the towns people. I guess I'm just not invested in that show at all.
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Actually Nolan is one of the few people I really like thus far. Some of the rest are slowly growing on me.

Antarctica is a dream; a risky and expensive dream at that. Defiance got ahold of him, in no small part that he was originally FROM there before the war. Meanwhile it's a somewhat safer and more stable place for them than most. We got a glimpse into life in the badlands, constantly on the watch for Raiders that want to kill you and take your stuff. So just the two of them vs a potential gang.

Here his daughter can try to deal with her problems in a safer place and learn to deal with people.
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I'm glad you are enjoying it and finding characters you like. I just don't; can't help it. It's getting to the point where I can't stand seeing his daughter and that constantly annoyed expression she has. Sigh...I had such high hopes for this show.
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I tuned out early on for a rerun of Bates Motel. Defiance was yawnnnnnnnnn
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Irisa wears denim bra tops and sleeveless cropped sweaters? Urban Outfitters must have survived the Pale Wars :(
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boring
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The Liberta Bertie, was in the pilot episode. She was the snarky one, along with the snarky doctor. Rafe made a comment about her serving them something that might be a relative, she snarked back at him a time or two.
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As a matter of fact, Bertie had dialogue in the pilot. If she said anything beyond "yes sir" last night, I didn't hear it.

This time she's credited as "Bertie/Jered." Presumably... her real name is Jered, and Bertie is a nickname for "Liberta"?
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I thought this episode was a step up in quality from the previous two. There was a tragic figure in Rynn, and a thoughtful examination of the various father-daughter relationships. Other aspects were less successful, but I never found the episode dull or lacking "space," whatever the hell that means.
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