Doctor Who "Nightmare in Silver" Review: Cybermen Really Get Inside Your Head

Doctor Who S07E12: "Nightmare in Silver"


In every series of Doctor Who, there must be at least one or two brushes with some old-school foes—the standards being the Daleks and the Cybermen. These episodes are often my least favorite, because they usually feel forced—the showrunners feel obliged to include them; everyone wants to do something cool and new with the iconic, creaky old foes; no one wants to rock the boat too much. The main struggle is that no matter what the writers and character designers do, it's hard to make large, slow hunks of metal feel truly terrifying now. 

I'll give it to Neil Gaiman—he came as close as anyone could have to making Cybermen scary again. A lot was riding on "Nightmare in Silver," Gaiman's second Doctor Who episode; his first, "The Doctor's Wife," is extremely beloved and one of my favorites. Like "The Doctor's Wife," "Nightmare in Silver" explored a familiar character from the Whoniverse in a completely new way, by letting us look into the cheeky, cruel mind of a Cyber-planner. Throw in the fact that the Cybermen were taking advantage of "patches" to continually upgrade themselves to resist attack, and we had ourselves some Cybermen Plus! Although this episode was fantastic, it didn't match the heart of "The Doctor's Wife"… but that's not to say it was a wash! Far from it; "Nightmare in Silver" seemed to benefit from a good chunk of the budget and a heaping helping of the "will they or won't they?" tension of this season, and it was marred only by the familiar Wizard of Oz-like rescue ending. 

The episode found The Doctor and Clara taking her babysitting charges, Angie and Artie, to the largest theme park in the universe—a theme park that'd long since been abandoned because people kept disappearing from it. All that was left was a very jumpy platoon and a friendly oddball of a guy, Webley, who still had a few remnants of the theme park he was willing to share with the kids. One of his tricks was a hollowed-out Cyberman who played chess, which scared the hell out of The Doctor, until he realized it was actually being controlled by a man named Porridge (Warwick Davis!!). Davis turned in one hell of a performance in this episode—emotional, complex, and very enjoyable. 

The kids were ready to leave, but The Doctor was very interested in some little robotic worms he'd found scurrying around, so they set up camp for the night. Of course, trouble ensued. Webley was attacked by the robotic worms and became part cyborg, Artie was grabbed by a Cyberman and also became part cyborg (either that or he was just wearing an intense Bluetooth), and Clara learned about the Cyber Wars from Porridge. Humanity had no chance of beating the Cybermen during these wars, as the Cybermen would just upgrade themselves to fix any weaknesses the humans identified, so the humans did the only thing they knew to do: They blew up the whole galaxy. Terrible, sure, but "No more galaxy, no more Cybermen."

But there were more than just hollow CyberMen about; there was an actual, functional one that showed up, and when we finally saw it, it looked menacing, shiny, and slightly redesigned since the last time we saw the Cybermen, in "Closing Time." The superfast movement was a nice touch. The Cyberman took Angie, and The Doctor put Clara in charge of the platoon. They scampered off to find a defendable position to try and attack the Cyberman on the loose.

It turned out that the Cybermen needed children for spare parts, and the theme park was a perfect place for them to hide and collect those parts. They liked children's brains because they had so much potential, but upon discovering The Doctor's infinitely more clever brain, they burrowed into his head. He fought as hard as he could, and we were treated to the first of several Gollum-like scenes that featured The Doctor fighting with himself. The Doctor and the Cyber-planner in his head (a.k.a. Mr. Clever) made a wager on a game of chess. If The Doctor won, the children would be freed, The Doctor would be freed, and nobody would die. If the Cyber-planner won, the Cybermen would get The Doctor's brain. 

Back at Natty Longshoes Comical Castle, Clara found that the platoon only had one gun, five hand pulsars that could deactivate a Cyberman if used on the back of its head, and one bomb that would implode the planet. The platoon seemed desperate to go ahead and blow everything up, but Clara was dead set against it. She has really come into her own as a strong, confident character. She's not questioning what to do when The Doctor isn't present, she's running a platoon, bossing people around, charming the pants off of everyone in sight, and making tactical decisions. It feels like a natural evolution that matches her feisty nature.

During the chess game between The Doctor and Mr. Clever, we learned a few things—we learned that The Doctor has been thinking about Clara a lot. We learned that The Doctor is still basically erased from every database in the known universes. And we learned that the Cybermen could be weakened by gold and cleaning fluid. With that, The Doctor temporarily scrambled Mr. Clever by jamming his golden ticket to the theme park onto the circuitry that has been molded onto his face. 

This gave him enough time to find Clara and explain what was going on ("A good news, bad news, good news again situation"); then he asked Clara to tie him up before the Cybermen made a patch to fix make themselves resistant to gold. This is when Matt Smith truly shone in this episode. It's one thing to do a scene with yourself as two different characters; at this point he was playing both himself and Mr. Clever the Cyber-planner in scenes with Clara. Mr. Clever was a bit more sly, a bit meaner, a bit sexier than The Doctor, and it's a credit to Smith's acting skills that the differences between the two were startling. The who's who gave us the inevitable scene where The Doctor confessed his romantic feelings for Clara (and yes, I was swooning even though I saw it coming a mile away), only to have Clara slap Mr. Clever/The Doctor and insist that the real Doctor would rather die than admit his feelings. After several switchovers between the two characters (and slaps from Clara), Mr. Clever nastily drawled, "I have a chess game to finish. And you have to die pointlessly, and very far from home. Toodaloo." There were more Cybermen on the way, and a lot of them.

The platoon and Clara were desperately trying to hold off the advancing Cybermen. I find that they're most creepy when there are a lot of them and they're marching in unison, and this episode provided that in spades. Watching the Cybermen move lightning fast, shoot lasers, and steadily clomp their way across the moat to get to the platoon got my heart racing. Luckily, The Doctor's insistence that he could end the chess game in three moves stumped Mr. Clever, and he shut down all Cybermen mid-attack in order to focus on the puzzle at hand. The three moves involved the sonic screwdriver and a pulsar, natch, and then everyone was safe... but no one was really safe until the Cybermen were destroyed. 

In (unfortunately) classic Doctor Who "click your heels together" miracle-style, it was revealed that Porridge was actually the Emperor, hiding away from his role in destroying the galaxy during the Cyber Wars. He was able to activate the bomb to implode the planet, and he was also able to rescue everyone and teleport them to a safe location. When the TARDIS didn't come with, I thought "Aha, that'll be something!" But no, the TARDIS was teleported to the safe house as well. Everyone was safe. Clara fended off a quick marriage proposal from Emperor Porridge (watched with some interest by The Doctor), and the hour ended with The Doctor once again wondering about his "mystery wrapped in an enigma squeezed into a skirt that's just a little too tight." Whaaaa? Did The Doctor just make a sexual comment about Clara? 

Other than presenting a cool story about the Cybermen and letting Matt Smith show off some acting chops, the main goal of "Nightmare in Silver" seemed to be to further convince me that The Doctor is in love with Clara. I'm not complaining, I like a good Cybermen story, and I love a good love story—especially when it involves a time-traveling alien and a human. Yes, the crisis was magically solved in the last five minutes, but it happens so often with Doctor Who that I'm starting to not judge it as harshly as I used to, which is a bit of a bad sign. It's become routine that an interesting and complex story will be presented, then completely fixed with little to no fanfare. I still yearn for the days of two-parter episodes, when we had time to watch things build up, be terrifying, and then get solved, but this is the Who we've got.

Next week's episode is the Series 7 finale, and it'll bring back Madame Vastra, Strax, and Jenny, plus River Mothereffing Song!!! It will be wonderful to see her again, even if she's being set up for heartbreak when she discovers that her husband has a new girlfriend...



NOTES

– Such attitude on that Angie! Good gracious! I wanted to ground her for most of the episode!

– The theme park setting looked gorgeous but seemed somewhat disused after the first five minutes of the episode. 

– Funniest exchange of the episode: 

Platoon: Natty Longshoes Comical Castle. 

Clara: Real castle? Drawbridge? Moat?

Platoon: Yes. But comical. 

Clara: We'll go there. 

– Second funniest exchange:

Clara: I trust the Doctor. 

Platoon: You think he knows what he's doing.

Clara: I'm not sure I'd go that far.

Clara's chops in the comedy timing department are really coming along! 

– Oh no, Mr. Clever did NOT just say Allons-y, did he?! 

– The Doctor's answer when asked ii Clara is pretty was, "No, you're too short and bossy and your nose is all funny," which didn't even slightly sound convincing. He might be able to play two characters trapped in one body, but no one can pretend that woman is not stunning. 


What did you think of "Nightmare in Silver"?

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Cybermen are my worst nightmare you can't die you can't run you are turned into a cold blooded machine i would pick death over that any day
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Um, what show were you watching if you think the difference between Mr. Clever and The Doctor were "startling". Matt Smith has never in this role shown himself capable of anything but goofy/silly and he proved it again in this episode. Disappointing when he could have done SO much!
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this episode suffered from the awful decision that was made to reduce stories to only one episode.
Since they have made this decision too many of the stories seemed frantic and rushed. No time to build up suspense or anything but the most forgettable characters imaginable.
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I spent the entire episode enthralled by Matt Smith's acting. You now, I think I'm going to go watch it again right now...
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Is it me or was the bomb supposed to im-plode the planet yet when it went of it clearly ex-ploded the planet. I was expecting more of the planet Vulcan type effect than the standard space explosion. Yes nIt picky I know
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Neil Gaiman wrote one of my favorite episodes (The Doctor's Wife) and he did again with this episode. For the first time this season I was on the edge of my seat when the villain was on screen! I would love Neil Gaiman to come back and write another episode, he hit the right balance of fear and humor. Warwick Davis was a massive surprise, All around this is my favorite episode of the season. I look forward to next week (with the return of Richard E,Grant?!)
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About Angie's phone. The Tardis gave it to her. Unusual since the Tardis doesn't usually like all the "strays" the Doctor brings home as Clara can tell you. Since the Tardis exists across all times and dimensions as we found out in The Pandorica Opens. Possibly Angie will need to use the phone in the future to get hold of the Doctor or the Tardis was just being nice to her which is very unusual. Also, the Tardis called only one person her 'child' and that was River Song in Let's Kill Hitler. The Tardis knows River will die or is from the Tardis' perspective already dead. It could be that the Tardis sympathized with a motherless girl which could be another plot twist down the road or just a fan's over active imagination!
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About Angie's attitude, I think it is obvious this is a girl who is seriously grieving the loss of her mother, who died suddenly leaving a visiting Clara to fill in as governess for her friend's children as we found out in The Bells of St John's. Angie's grief is taking the form of anger and hostility and Clara is bearing the brunt of it. I don't know why Moffat put this in unless Angie's working things out with Clara is some plot element that we will see later in the show. I just hope that if this is true the bachelors, dating people and otherwise childless among us will bear with it because then it will probably have something to do with exposing some element of the Doctor's mind and/or emotions. Or this could all be a one time thing!
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worst episode ever ! wake up guys
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Don't make baseless claims without the evidence to back them up. If you didn't like it, that's fine. Everyone's different, but if you're trying to convince other people to dislike it, you actually need to argue your position rather than simply state it.
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This may have been the worst episode I've ever seen, including the '96 tv movie. A big part of the problem is the execution, it looked cheap and the Cybermen once again are boring dolts, the directing felt miles away from the content, and it just didn't deliver on the ideas - the comical castle alone just completely missed every opportunity, and it didn't even succeed at what it was going for. A lot of the acting was pretty bad too, although none of the bad acting compared to the two kids' acting, that was unbearable. The effects also looked surprisingly awful.

The writing side was pretty weak too, and I was sorry to see it was Neil Gaiman's fault. This was as opposite The Doctor's Wife as it gets, none of the new characters had any life except "Porridge" and even that got undermined at the end. It felt like it wanted to be an old serial version with the 3 or 4 hours those stories had to really flesh out ideas and characters. The Cybermen are rewritten to be something more deadly, and yet still they are inconsistent and derivative of Star Trek's the Borg rather than the Cybermen this time around, and despite being cyber"men" their bodies seemed not to need human flesh at all, what with detachable hands and heads attacking left and right, Cybermites infecting human flesh, etc.. And what was the cause of this regeneration? First they claim they needed child brains and infected our obnoxious kiddies, then they already had scores and scores of Cybermen awaiting attack underground that were already upgraded. They zip around like the Flash minus actual leg movement at first, then they just trudge normally the rest of the episode.

The endgame move was a total deus ex machina, what was the point of this episode if they're just going to bomb the planet and beam away easily no matter what? We had people die simply because Porridge didn't want to go back to being the Emperor until the last minute, is that really the best they can come up with? And the Doctor's internal struggle ended up flat and similarly cheaty, there's supposed to be an argument between the Doctor's emotional personality and the Cyberinfection's unemotional one, yet the Cyber strategist was crazy emotional, yelling and proverbially stroking his mustache when he saw the upper hand.

Unlike Emily, I didn't find Clara in any way compelling here, she was too often flip and didn't really seem to know anything to back that up, she put her faith in the Doctor and yet he didn't save her, and she ended up nearly dooming the universe with that stupid move with the bomb's flashlight-shaped trigger.

In the end, I enjoyed Warwick Davis' performance quite a bit, and that is literally it. Nothing else made sense (the opening scene where the kids were sure they were on the moon and yet when we saw from their perspective it was clearly a ride), it was horribly acted and scripted and directed and produced, and the fun ideas underpinning the planet never got to shine or even look like they existed at all.
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Thank you, you are right on the money about this episode.
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5 part comment... after a 3472343 part article... come on...
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Nobody made you read it. And ask around, that was one of the shorter responses from me.
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Fantastic! I always get bored with cybermen, but not this time! Of course, Matt Smith was great, so awesome to give him a chance to play the mean guy. What I also liked was the fact that they didn't do a big fanfare about the kids knowing about the Doctor in the beginning of the episode, they just showed up on a planet.
I think that the new companion has really spiced things up a bit, the new episodes have been really enjoyable. I was almost ready to give up on Who last season, but season 7 with the exit of Amy and Rory and the introduction of Clara has been really good.
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I also drew a parallel between the Doctor and Porridge the Emperor: neither wants to rule galaxies but they have to (Doctor in the sense that he keeps saving all the worlds) and that they never get the girl. Depressing. I guess the next episode forces the Doctor to come out of hiding and to resume his own legacy, i.e. restoring himself in all the databases. It'd be sad but also wonderful!
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my only problem with the episode was that he didn't just jump to an earlier time where the park was still in operation.
obviously if he did that, we wouldnt have had this episode, but at least at the end of the ep he should have taken the children back in time to have some actual fun.
they were in standby mode most of the ep.
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oh another problem...the planet didnt actually implode as they said the bomb was designed to do.
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Loved it! Matt Smith blew me away with his dual personality. This guy can act!
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Great Ep. Matt's acting was superb. Loved Angie's line to Clara: "When someone asks you to be Queen of the Universe, you say YES!"
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Angie was awesome, for the first time I liked Clara in this episode, plus Matt was also awesome
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No no NO!
This episode embodies everything that was wrong with the original series from so long ago. When they 'revived' the Daleks back in 2005 they made it scary simply because it was powerfull and invulnerable (and could traverse stairs). You could run away but you could not hide (it took subterfuge and the fact that it was mentally damaged to defeat it).
The first Cyberman in this episode was also scary. It could move super fast and attack you before you could react. Not invulnarable, but you couldn't run away.
But everything else was just stupid. Everything!.
The Cybermen where extinct. So where did the insects come from? This episode spans only 2 days in the lives of the characters (the children only slept once). Yet, out of the blue, there are 3 million Cybermen constructed on a world that is apparently barren? We all know, that Cybermen are augmented humans, so where did the 3 million humans come from?
Cybermen need children?
Oh, and WHERE IN THE WORLD DID THE CHILDREN COME FROM. (yes, I know they were the children Clara was babysitting, and I know they found out that Clara was a time traveller, but if Clara at any point thought it would be cool to bring them along on a Tardis-ride, then she is the most dangerous, stupid nanny in the universe, and should be locked up forever for her crimes. She's already been on several rides herself, and NONE OF THEM where safe). Here's something: The children were not necessary in the plot of this episode, so why oh why were they in there in the first place!!
The Cybermen are not proofed against electricity/water? WTF!??!?!
Oh, and small externally placed tech indicates the beginning of the augmentaion process of becomming a Cyberman? Ok, and when the process is stopped (when the Doctor defeated the Cyberplanner), the tech vanishes into thin air? With a budget to blow up planets, at least let us see it fall off.
Oh, and here's a tip for the producers. If you keep saying 'blow up the planet' and then correct the term and say that it's actually an 'implosion', then do NOT show me and 'explosion'.
Oh, and these guys have the tech that can destroy planets, stars, clusters of galaxies, and detect an activated implosion device from across a galaxy, travel to it and save everyone in less than 80 seconds, yet the Cybermen who can't fly are a threat?!?!?
All in all, I must protest. Here is an episode where the screenwriter should be fired, and the director and producers should be summarily executed. This episode should be deleted from Doctor Who history. It single handedly brought any progress made in since 2006 to it's knees. Buuh, I say. Buuh!
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When the Doctor first transmatted to where the children were being held, he had a conversation with the impressario who'd become converted into a Cyborg in which it was explained that in the days of the Cyberiad's war with humanity the Cyber planners decided to create a Valkyrie, a place where Cybermen wounded in the wars would be brought and repaired. That is where the 3 million Cybermen in the park came from.
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Thank you, I missed that the first time. It helps a little.
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i agree with some of what you say. especially the implosion part...i even said it out loud at the end of the ep.."That wasn't an implosion!!!!" ha.
also my other issue was that he didn't just jump to an earlier time where the park was still in operation.
obviously if he did that, we wouldnt have had this episode, but at least at the end of the ep he should have taken the children back in time to have some actual fun.
they were in standby mode most of the ep.
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the insects in most likely leftovers from the previous attack from the Cyberman
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Yes, maybe. But not telling us this, is just bad story writing.
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really... did u ever saw Doctor Who???
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in a lot of these shows, you have read the in between
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OK, you people have made me curious. What the bleep does Allons-y mean?
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It just means "let's go" in French.
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It was a slogan of Tennant, the 10th doctor just like the 9th's was fantastic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3GMkWfpj4s
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Loved it when he finally found someone named Alonso :)
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That is literally the only episode of the post 2005 who that I have not seen. It's about a space titanic or something right?
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Yup.
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Wow. I never noticed any of those. Thanks for the link.
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really??? Tennant said Allons-y like 2 or 3 times per episode
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It surprises me too. If I noticed any of it, I guess I just don't remember it. But that seems even less likely. I think it has something to do with the fact that I find it difficult to understand British English at times. I got used to hearing things that made no sense to me, and I suppose I got used to ignoring and immediately forgetting those things. That still doesn't explain it, because allons-y sounds more French than British, so I think I should have had a different reaction to it.
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I liked it sort of.I liked the double acting.I liked emperor thing.Event the ending was to easy should just teleported everyone in the beggining. I do not like this whole the doctor likes clara business.They already got us emotionally invested in his realationship with Rose and River.We accepted River becuase Rose was basically dead and he can never see her again.But river is still alive and kicking in this version of reality.sooo its wierd.
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But she is also dead. We have seen river from introduction to exit and everything in between and I think when we said goodbye to amy and rory we said goodbye to this river storyline a bit as well. I am waiting for the inevitable "you have a WIFE?" from clara though
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But, when Rory Came to get River for the Battle of Demon's run, River laughingly referred to the time when she was with 2 doctors "and that was a whole other birthday!" I believe that we will see more of River Song because in "Silence in the Library" when she was trying to sync her diary to Tennent's timeline she referred to " have we done the Byzantium yet?" She referred of course to the Weeping Angels episode with Matt Smith. I believe that when River speaks from her diary or to bystanders about her adventures with the Doctor there is a good chance that we will see that episode in the future. I hope so, in the Library episode she referred to going to the end of the Universe with the Doctor; that should prove interesting. Oh, and we may not have seen the last of the Ponds. In the episode of "The Bells of Saint Johns" Artie, the boy talking to Clara had a book written by Amy Williams, Amy's married name, and Clara said something like wait til you get to number 11, apparently the book is a series, you'll cry your eyes out." I could be reading too much in it of course. But I trust the storyline of John Moffet. It could be just a red herring of course, or a bittersweet tribute to the Ponds. And let's not forget that Clara was given the number of the phone on the Doctor's Tardis by some woman in a shop who said it was a line to the " best help in the Universe." In the episode of The Empty Child, the 9th Doctor said that the phone wasn't even real when the Child managed to ring it up. This storyline is going places.
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I know shes dead but she has been from the beggining but with the backwards timeline he is still around her.
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YES he did say Allons-y and a choked up a little! SO miss David Tenant but I gotta give it to Mattie. He did do a really great job in this ep! And leave it to Neil Gaiman to actually make the Cybermen kinda scary/cool! Can't wait til his American Gods series starts! Loved the book!

Yes, wanted to choke the little girl! I was like oh she's gotta die! Then I had to realize, okay, she's a kid and not just any kid, someone Clara's responsible for so I guess she's gotta live.

Hi Willow!!! :-)
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Can't wait til next week!!!
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Not only allons-y, but fantastic as well. I'm a little more critical toward this episode simply because of how good The Doctor's Wife was. It was an enjoyable episode with the Willy Wonka and Wizard of Oz feelings. Gaiman did manage to breathe decent life into the cybermen, but it'll still end up being a one-part appearance and then they vanish off into the vast forgotten realms of "iconic Who." Next week looks promising and rather bittersweet.
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Clara and the Doctor is one of the best team until now.
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I'm not so sure how the hell (and where?) did all those Cybermen hide, nor why at the end they fought like the old slow ones (only the first one used superspeed), plus the platoon was way too jolly about it's situation, no real emotions when so many of them died (Unlike other episodes such as in The Time of Angels & Flesh and Stone)

Apart from all that, it was a fairly enjoyable episode, Matt Smith truly was brilliant, and all the scenes surrounding him were amazing.

The resolution of the situation was a very Stardust-y conclusion, but that's to be expected from Neil Gaiman.

This season was mediocre at best, but I do hope the finale will make up for it, and fingers crossed for another Neil Gaiman episode in the future :)
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After the lackluster "Crimson Horror," I found myself enjoying this epsode more than the previous ones. It's certainly the best Cybermen episode I've seen since "Doomsday. " (Yes, I liked "Doomsday." Stop laughing.)

Somehow, I don't think that the images of Clara that Mr. Clever saw was the modern Clara. They look more Victorian, which furthers my theory that the Doctor fell in love with Victorian Clara and is using Modern Clara as a proxy to fulfill his fantasies of roaming across time and space with her.

Mr. Clever saying "Allons-y." Very cool hint at the 10th Doctor. He notes that there are 9 other "morons" inside the Doctor besides 10 as well. I wish Mr. Clever could've at least referenced another line... that would've been "Fantastic." (wink wink)

Favorite part was the Doctor slapping himself with the Gold Ticket. Matt Smith is a master at physical comedy.

Again, Clara is awesome and I restate that I'm in love with Jenna Louise Coleman. And apparently so is every other male in the universe. Also, note that when her charges refer to the Doctor as "Clara's boyfriend," the Doctor nor Clara make any attempt to correct them. Heck, when 9 and Rose, or 10 and Donna were ever referred to as "a couple," they'd FEVERISHLY deny it. But 11 and Clara just shrug it off. Do they not see any point in bothering, or maybe...

The previews show River Song's tombstone. I hope to GOD that the Clara era is after River goes to the library, cause I can't stand the thought of the Doctor obviously smitten with his new companion when he's still married to his old companion's daughter.
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He said Fantastic... you missed it. Watch the episode again :)
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Oops, he did... though he said it really quickly compared to Allon-sy.
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WE ALL like Doomsday... who in the hell didnt like Doomsday??? Who the morron who didn't like Doomsday? It's an aswome episode and on of the most heartbreaking endings
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This is just a feeling but I think that whatever is in the future for Clara and the Doctor, I don't think its going to be Romance. When the Doctor did notice her "too tight skirt" I couldn't help but think that was a bit of "Mr Clever" left over influencing him, although the Cybermen are of course supposed to be without emotions, trying to absorb an emotional and powerful Time Lord mind with10 other Time Lord remnants in there may be a bit more than the Cyber planner can handle. At any rate, I feel sure that these Cybermen will probably show up in the show again.. If River shows up at all in later episodes I am almost sure that the show will not be going into a full-blown romance with Clara because this is a family show! I'm pretty sure that showing adulterous relationships on this show will be a no no. This all hinges on what Clara is. Now that the Doctor has been reassured in the episode where they journey to the heart of the Tardis that as far as Clara knows, she is just an ordinary girl, the Doctor can develop the usual warmth and comradeship that seemed to be missing in their dynamic until he could be sure that she wasn't a willing, clever trap for him. But what is Clara is a theme that won't be resolved until at least next series in the Fall, if even then. I'm sure Clara is going to need the Doctor's help somehow and I just hope we won't be "crying our eyes out" for the Doctor when it is resolved.
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The Cybermen have never been my favorite though I did like the last time we saw them but that might have been more for the gact that we got to like a bunch of the people before they were changed. It is very enjoyable watching the Doctor try and figure out his feelings and realize they go beyond mere curiosity. It will be interesting to see how Clara reacts as she will start to figure that out when she is going about her regular life. And how about that note to us, a point of continual conversation between the Doctor and the Ponds were the large gaps in their lives he was missing but apparently he shows every Wednesday for Clara and didn't even realize it.
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Shame they had to involved kids. This episode could have been darker, which would have made the Doctor's feelings about Clara stand out more.

By bringing back Cybermen, they were potentially unleashing something bad.... and for a moment I thought it was going to be good when they started talking about upgrades.

But then it became another kids show (in both senses.... containing them and for them). Why?

I missed the Russel T Davies darker storylines, that led to a great finale. Now it's just a spoof of what was before, with virtually no real tension. And it won't survive like that.
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Doctor Who was intended for kids and adults when it began. That hasn't changed for this show and for the sake of the show's continued longevity, it should not. They did try an all "adult" show. It was the Torchwood spinoff and it was not as appealing as Doctor Who, it didn't do as well at all as far as mass audience appeal went. Davies' story lines were great, but Moffet spins a longer storyline. His stories seem to set up for something down the line like River Song's story. I'm interested to see what he's going to do with Clara.
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Original Doctor Who had sidekicks in miniskirts and dealt with some real issues in a sci-fi way. It was Saturday evening viewing in the UK. That's not kids time, it's family time.

The previous writer transformed the show, brought it back and up-to-date. There was a kids spin-off made as well. You don't make a kids spin-off of a kids show.

It is supposed to be aimed at family viewing. And it won't survive as purely a kids show, and was never designed or meant to be one. That's clear from the past stories.
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Is it just me or does Angie look like the empress from season 5 episode 2 The Beast Below. Especially after her comment about being empress one day.
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Amazing episode. I am so glad I'm not the only one who swooned when the Doctor (even though he was Mr Clever) confessed his feelings. Yes I am glad he fancies Clara (I hated the she's his daughter theories)

The Cybermen were extra creepy especially when they moved fast, how cool was that. I do not agree about the forced bringing back of the Doctor's old enemies, all episodes since 2005 (haven't seen the old Doctor Who eps) that include Daleks or Cybermen are always good.

I was also surprised (but pleasantly) with the Doctor's sexy comment about Clara. And the Allons-y, great nod to the 10th Doctor. People may hate me for this but if Matt Smith continues with his phenomenal acting, he will be the best Doctor ever. His portrayal of the Doctor & Mr. Clever, 2 personalities (Gollum-like as you said) was an acting master class.

I also did not like the rescue, & that Porridge was the emperor had no impact on me whatsoever, except with his proposal we clearly see that the Doctor was jealous!

This episode has me salivating for the finale. This week will be excruciating
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Reply/thumbs-up notifications continue to glitch - I got red flags this past week from October of last year. Why does this keep happening?
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That probably just means that someone recently thumbed a comment you made in October. (This happened to me too the other day...although I wonder why it took people so long to thumb an awesome comment like that). I'm more confused about the number that's displayed next to the flag when I scroll to the top. It often doesn't seem right.
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Impressed with previous comments (The Turk reference, Porridge as Emporer, proposal being weird). Did anyone catch that the Cybermites were messing with Angie's cellphone? I suspect a sneaky set up for a future episode.
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Didn't The Doctor give her a new phone?
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Yes he did
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Yes and No - as the Doctor said "I got something for you. Now its not from me, its from the TARDIS"
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Yep!
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This episode was great. Matt Smith did an amazing job, as per usual. There were a few parts I was a bit confused about (mostly parts with the platoon and Clara) but that may have just been because I couldn't watch it till 11 last night. I was a little tired.

I don't think anyone can honestly say that Jenna-Louise is not gorgeous.
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I didn't like it. I don't know why I'm always somewhat excited to see a new episode of Doctor Who, and then almost always end up disappointed. My complaint is the same as always: The Doctor's strategies are stupid. This time everyone else was stupid too. Some examples of things I didn't like:

* When Mr Clever grabbed Clara's right arm, which was holding the trigger, she didn't even try to grab the trigger with her left hand.
* Every one seemed to think that the idea to tie The Doctor/Mr Clever to a chair but leaving his hands free was a good idea. Do they think he doesn't know how to untie a rope?
* A chess program running on a mobile phone can find any mate in three in very little time. It was absurd that Mr Clever used *all* the processing power of *all* the cybermen to try to solve the problem. Even if The Doctor had said "mate in 23 moves", it would have been stupid to not leave a few cybermen active.
* As always, The Doctor is absurdly underprepared for any encounter with the bad guys. He just runs around with his sonic screwdriver, and puts himself in situations where pretty much any person with any weapon would find it easy to defeat him. This time a partially upgraded human only had to toss a few cyberbugs at him.
* The screwdriver can apparently do anything now. If you point it at a device that can fry a cyberman, it magically transforms it into a device that can fry 3 million cybermen.
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The doctor didn't actually have mate in three moves, he was bluffing, but Mr Clever believed him. So Mr Clever was using all the resources of the Cybermen to execute a search strategy of every possible combination of 3 moves from the current position and every possible potentially obscure rule of chess potentially known only to the time lords.
Presumably the combined power of the Cybermen was far greater than that of deep blue, but having started with the fundamental belief that such a winning move actually existed they kept searching for it indefinitely.

(Love the IT crowd reference BTW)
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Good morning, that's a nice tnetennba. (Thanks).

I understand that he was bluffing, but there's no reason to search indefinitely. Just to get a rough estimate, suppose that there were 20 legal moves in each position. Then the computer only had to check 64 million final positions. (Because 3 "moves" are actually 6 half-moves, i.e. 6 moves for each player, so the number of positions is 20^6=64 million).

Deep Blue could put 200 million positions per second through its position evaluation function. But an evaluation function assigns a score to the position, and this is much harder than to determine if it's mate or not. So it's very reasonable to assume that it would take Mr Clever less than a second to check all the positions on his own, or using only a few cybermen. Since computers don't make human mistakes, he should only need to check each position once.

And even if he needed much more processing power, why not use 2 999 990 cybermen instead of 3 million? Those last ten aren't going to make a huge difference to the time it takes to solve the problem.
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But Cyberman would assume that the move existed and would check all databases in the universe for home rules that might allow the Doctor to win.
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That would be like putting wheels on a tomato. Time consuming, and *completely* unnecessary.
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You will find that Mr Clever had worked out all the moves but couldnt workout how the Doctor could be so confident but in the same he knew how vast the Doctors mind was (and had been tricked by it already -ie the golden ticket) so had to use all is processing to try and work it out.
As for shutting down all the cybermen - he has no emotional attachment if any were destroyed in that time and knew he vastly out numbered the humans so killing them now or 5 mins later was nothing to Mr Clever - his main concern above all was to get the Doctors brain
I do however agree they go to the sonic screwdriver too much. I always thought it was like a futuristic "swiss army knife" and was simply to "open" things like open doors, unlock computers not for scanning areas etc.
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So you're telling me you didn't see it coming that Porridge was the emporer? Shame on you! Now boot up that DVR and watch the episode again. But you are right, that no one can pretend that Clara is not a stunning woman ;-)

I liked the episode, especially how the relationship between the Doctor and Clara advanced. Clara bossing that platoon was also pretty cool and yes, the Cybermen got at least some scary back.

The preview for the next episode was also VERY intruiging. The grave of River Song... and was that what followed after "What is your name?" a "It's... Doctor Who"? Now that would be an interesting if somewhat ridiculous twist if his name actually was Doctor Who, wouldn't it?
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For me I didnt know he was the emperor but I knew something was up with him he was acting to shifty and doing to many subtle things in the baCK ROUND
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A little FYI for you; the castle scenes were mostly shot in 'Castle Coch' just outside Cardiff, South Wales. But then the chess game towards the end was shot in the banquet hall in Caerphilly castle. Having most of Dr Who shot in my area is actually quite distracting, coz I spend every episode seeing if I recognise places. Not complaining :)
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You know I'm tired of people complaining about there being no two-parters. The fact s Doctor Who can work just fine with out then.

And here's a short list of episodes that prove it.
Dalek
Gridlock
The Doctors Wife
The Girl Who Waited

And well I admit there are some episodes that could have used being a two-parters (Lets Kill Hitler) the fact is that it isn't a lack of two-parters this year But the type of story's they are trying to do. The reason TV shows don't do big blockbuster episodes every week is there just isn't enough time in 45min to properly tell those type of story's. Now if Moffat had wanted to do these blockbuster episodes he should have really made them each an hour.
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I find this such a bizarre thing to complain about. I generally hate two-parters of anything. I don't ever want there to be another two-parter unless they are aired back-to-back.
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About 1-parters that work how about Blink?
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"Oh no, Mr. Clever did NOT just say Allons-y, did he?! "
Yes he did, followed by the world's worst Christoper Eccelstone impression.

And the 'chess playing' cyberman is a reinvention of the Mechanical Turk, a couple of thoushand years into the future and they forget all about 18th con tricks.

Loved Warwick Davis in this episode,especially the "I felt sorry for the guy that had to push the button" line
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“Next week's episode is the Series 7 finale, and it'll bring back Madame Vastra, [...]”
Does anybody else also think that the guy asking for The Doctor’s name looks a bit like the first Doctor in a younger version?
My feeling is supported by The Doctor hinting that he and Clara would cross his own timeline.
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He does but I believe this is the character or a variation of Walter Simeon again, whom we saw in The Snowmen representing the Great Intelligence.

The hint about the Doctor crossing his own timeline is very intruiging though. From the british promos we also know that the finale actually takes place on Trenzalore bringing us back to the prophecy by Dorium in The Wedding of River Song: On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the Eleventh, when no living creature may speak falsely or fail to give answer, a question will be asked. A question that must never, ever be answered.

This is going to be exciting :-)
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Yeah, it’s the Snow-guy... But the haircut realy made me think he’s the first Doctor. :-D
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Let me add my voice at the request for two parters. A bunch of episodes this season could have carried their own serial back in the day. I don't have anything against one-offs, but some episodes, like this one, clearly feel rushed in the space of one hour. This one must have been particularly challenging to fit in the slot, too, because some of the editing early on feels really rushed. I'm actually dreading next week a bit now. I was expecting the Clara storyline to slowly develop this season, and here we are, knowing absolutely nothing more than we did at the beginning of this batch of episodes.

Guys, two parters have no downside. You get to have a cool, retro cliffhanger and you get to re-use a bunch of props and locations, so they're cheaper. We like them, go for it.

I agree that this wasn't as special as The Doctor's Wife, but I'm sort of beginning to wish they'd bring in Gaiman as a showrunner or head writer for a season, Douglas Adams-style. Ironically, this episode feeling par for the course makes me say that, not his outstanding debut. This one proved that Gaiman's voice can blend with the series and improve it subtly, rather than turn it into something Neil Gaiman-y and strange. He certainly seems to have more skill in running a long, consistent narrative than Moffat.
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Cliffhangers ARE the downside. Half a story is not satisfying.
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We're gonna have to disagree on that one, at least for Doctor Who. They're a tradition of the show, they allow at least some episodes to not end on a deus ex machina, they make it so the good guys don't win every week, which is scarier, they give the stories room to breathe and they're just generally fun.
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They are fine in old Who where now you can watch them all at once, or tolerable if they air only a day apart, but for new who you have to wait a week for resolution, so I feel like it's a different situation.
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No. I thought addressed that. The classic serials aired closer together. If there was a two-parter in Davison's era for example, well, you also got two new episodes a week, so there were no week long waits for resolution.
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Excuse me. Are you completely ignoring the fact that people watched the old who back when it aired and were content with waiting. People nowadays are so impatient and can't even appreciate the suspense.
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"I am the Doctor, of Borg", some one had to say it. Overall, this is the first time since the christmas episode that I actually felt that "spark" that made there exchanges in the christmas episode such a great introduction to the character of Clara that was why I was really excited for these new episodes but most of them have been just plain weird and not like the doctor who I knew, Frankly I miss 10, but a good part of that may have been because back then we had multi episode story arcs that involved saving the earth from aliens and helping UNIT, Frankly even with the times they've tried to do that with 11 it's just felt small scale.
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I was waiting there at the end to see if Mr. Clever was completely out of The Doctor or still just hiding or even pretending to be The Doctor. I think this episode would have been better if something clung onto him to be revealed in another episode instead of everything being wrapped up with a little bow. Maybe The Doctor's last line about Clara's skirt was a hint that something WAS left behind. That psychic from a few episodes back did say there's a sliver of ice in him. Well, now maybe Mr. Clever latched onto that sliver and made it a chuck!
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The truth is we don't know if Mr.Clever is out of the Doctor & great catch on the line about Clara's skirt maybe showing us that, great theory :)
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Thanks, my speculation about his name and everything is maybe he turns evil and someone has to learn his name to save him and turn him back. I think that would be more interesting than a reveal that is no reveal like saying maybe his name isn't important and stuff. That would be a big let down.
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That would explain the Trenzalore prophecy and why Clara says in the finale trailer why she was born to save the Doctor
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SPOILERS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE THE NAME OF THE DOCTOR YET! Well, now it seems I was sorta of right and wrong. There are now two Doctors (one may turn out to be evil), the name turned out to be important but not revealed and replaced with his grave (ugh), and maybe the 50th anniversary will be where his name is used again (not just to open his tomb) to save the Doctor from perhaps...himself?
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Totally off-topic, please for the love of all that is good and right in this world, find some small parts for the surviving actors of former Doctors in the 50th anniversary special later this year! Sylvester McCoy for one has stated that he would love to make an appearance on the show, not as the 7th Doctor crossing his own timeline, but in another, minor, role. How awesome would it be for Tom Baker, Peter Davison, Colin Baker and McCoy to all pop up somewhere in the anniversary show, even if they're in costume and makeup and can't be recognized? Just knowing they were in the show would be awesome. Mr. Moffat, please make this happen.
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Actually , Doctor Who Magazine confirmed that David Tennant is the ONLY previous Doctor to appear in the 50th anniversary, and there are a dozen photos of he and Matt Smith working together with Jenna Louise Coleman. To all the Tennant fans, that's marvelous, but for the few other Doctor fans (I love Colin Baker and Christopher Eccleston, and really wanted Paul McGann to appear as well) it's a bit disappointing. I know Baker looks nothing like he did in the 80s, but Eccleston's 9th Doctor revived the franchise, and it's not really fair that the ONLY former Doctor reappearing is the most popular one of the new series.
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Eccleston was OFFERED the part but declined. Now I agree Classic doctors should be in it but... NEWSFLASH The 50th Anniversary is already finished filming. Its too late to complain and hope they'll change it.
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Yeah, the Bakers look nothing like they did during their tenures as the Doctor, and McCoy and Davison could maybe pass, though there would be no hiding how much older their faces look now. But I would just like to see them in other roles, cameo appearances like McCoy suggested, maybe playing some random characters with just a line or two.

Colin Baker in particular, kinda deserves SOMEthing in the 50th anniversary special for the way he and the show were treated during his time. He had to deal with a showrunner who was actively trying to get the show cancelled, and the consequent goofy scripts they handed him, plus the guy slept with Baker's wife. I mean, c'mon....give the man a nod for putting up with all that while keeping the show's original 26 year run going, ya know? McCoy....well he deserves a little something just for getting through the time when Baker's showrunner had all but succeeded, and the show had zero budget anymore. The effects were awful, props and sets were scarce, and they even had limited film to use for each episode, so a lot of what you see in McCoy's time was done in one take. In the episode "The Greatest Show In The Galaxy," the scene where Mags had turned into the vampire-thing and the Doctor was trying to get away from her and the cheap props were falling all over the set, McCoy actually injured himself pretty badly during that scene, but he had the presence of mind to finish out the rest of the scene, because the director had told them one pass was literally all they got.

A lot of the people from the old show put up with a lot towards the end, and not that they're owed anything, I just think it would be cool for them to have some cameos.
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Well, there's no way I can confirm this, but if I had to guess, Eccleston would probably be welcome to participate in some fashion, but it's clear in his interviews over the years that he wants nothing to do with the show anymore. He agreed to one season only strictly as a favor to his friend Russell Davies and stipulated that he would not do more than one season. In his interviews since, I've seen him say numerous times that he did not grow up a Dr. Who fan, and imo, at times in those interviews he seemed downright (mildly) hostile towards the whole thing. I loved Eccleston as the 9th Doctor and I loved that whole season as well. From what I've seen of him since, he will not do anything further with the show. In one interview that asked him if he would ever consider returning for any kind of special show, he said "No. As an actor, I never want to dip my pen in the same ink twice." And that's really the kindest way I've heard him put that sentiment.

I forget about Paul McGann. I actually thought he did a good job with what little he had to work with in that movie, but I think my brain mentally blocked out that entire fiasco. The writing, plot, atmosphere, the overall USAishness of the whole thing really was awful for me. McGann's portrayal of the Doctor was really the only bright spot I remember from it.
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I think it's sad how much Eccleston hates being associated wih Doctor Who. True, every former Doctor has "the Doctor's Curse" put on him when their run is over (no matter how many roles they do in other series/movies, they will ONLY be known by fans as "The Doctor) but most Doctors embraced their curse. Heck, Colin Baker, despite being treated the poorest, is proud of his tenure as the Doctor, and even was the narrator of some anniversary look-backs I saw on Youtube. Without Eccleston, the series would still be canceled, there would be no Tennant era or Smith era, and I would never crush on my favorite companion, Clara. (Though I admit Peri was hot, too, back in her day) Tennant may have made the show awesome, but the series would've survived at LEAST a couple seasons with Eccleston. I just find it a shame that whenever the 9th Doctor is mentioned, he rolls his eyes, sighs, maybe touches n the subject briefly, and changes the subject. It's not shameful! Trust me, Eccleston's been in a lot worse roles (GI Joe...)
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Thumbs up for Peri being hot. Boy, was she. To me, anyway.

The thing is, I wonder about the show if Eccleston hadn't come on board. Tennant was already cast when it began, he was always going to be a Doctor that Davies wanted. But Davies chose to go for the more well-known Eccleston for his first Doctor because he thought his presence would get people back on board with the show. Obviously it worked. But since Davies had already worked with the BBC to get the show back on the air and he had already cast Tennant for the role at some future point, would the show still have succeeded if there had been no Eccleston? We'll never know, but people loved Tennant so much I'm inclined to say it would have.
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I also didn't buy the marriage proposal at the end. a) they never really showed Porridge having feelings for Clara other than some vague admiration. and b) they just didn't act it out at the end. It just seemed kind of thrown in. Were they going for a Peri/Yrcanos vibe? (i.e., "Mindwarp" from the original series) Or just trying to make us impressed with how much everyone thinks of Clara?
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1) How exactly do you blow up an entire galaxy?
2) Warwick Davis, FTMFW!!! Great string of guest stars lately, Dougray Scott being my favorite
3) Still like 11 and Clara separately, just not together. I'm starting to realize the flirting is a big part of it. Same reason I liked 10 and Rose, just not together. Loved Rose with 9, loved 10 much better once Rose was gone. The flirting between them didn't work for me. I suppose I prefer my Doctor a little more asexual like Classic Who.
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10 X Rose was awful mostly because 10 was OBVIOUSLY in love with her, and vice versa. Rose even declared her love for 10 more than once and made INCREDIBLY stupid decisions to be with him. 11 X Clara is much more subtle. He's obviously attracted to her (though I'm guessing it's because she physically looks like the Victorian woman who gave him the smooch that rocked his world) and she makes no effort to deny that he's her "boyfriend," but she knows that he's guarding his feelings because he doesn't want to attach himself to someone who tends to die a lot, and her feelings for him still doesn't cloud her judgment, as seen when Mr. Clever in 11's body professes his love for Clara and leans over to kiss her, and she slaps him is response. You think ROSE would do that?
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I admit I was looking forward to Neil Gainmen's lateset episode simply because I'm a fan, butI may have put those expectations too high. It's not like he is given the power to rewrite the Who universe. He still has to play within the lines. I was a little disappointed, I mean Porridge is the emorer and it was suppose to be a surprise??, but it was a good episode all in all.

I actually enjoyed the character of Angie. Not just because she was a pre-teen who was unimpressed with everything, including intergalactic time travel, but she was a bit of a foil to Clara's unending optimism. The Daleks scared Rose, Martha and Amy into an understanding of the possibly dire situation they were venturing into. Donna may have been a bit more leery, but the Sontarans helped her realize the scope of their adventures. Clara still hasn't shown any bit of that. And Angie helped add at least a half hearted reluctance to it. And her comment on the deck of the Emperor's flight deck when she said she would someday be the queen of everything was maybe prophetic. Clara doesn't just keep popping up in time, she is popping up at important moments in time, so maybe Angie's childhood nany is the important point. And she popped up because she is Clara and that point needed a Clara.

Now as to what and why Clara keeps popping up, I haven't a clue and am looking forward to finding out.

I didn't actually like the chess match. I seemed to add an unnecessary narrative to most of the episode. I mean soap and gold stop Cybermen?! I did like the one point that the hole that was created when the Doctor was erased can be used to find him and filled in again. I think that will be a bigger part of the rest of the season.

And I liked the idea of an upgrading cyberman. The Daleks aren't just rolling trashbins with plungers anymore,. The cybermen needed something to bring them into the future, so to speak.

And Clara's skirts are not too tight, they are just the right tight.
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Like your idea that Clara being the queen of everything may be prophetic :)
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Cleaning fluid contains acetone, which could dissolve the Cybermen's internal plastic parts when thrown on their chests. Gold originally clogged their breathing apparatus, "choking" them to death. Unfortunately, in "Silver Nemesis" in the original series, that somehow turned it into being a contact poison.
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It was a nice nod, but that was 30 years ago our time, over a 1000 year ago by that episode. I liked that gaiman gave them the upgrade ability. but to have to have the Doctor explain the weakness to a cyberman himself? And that it affected their operating systems?not the mechanical systems. It was nice to have newer jargon, everyone knows the term operating system these days, but it felt forced. what's next, explaining your diabolical scheme to the hero and then leaving the room??
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The Cybermen running the older code didn't know the weaknesses in the code, that the Doctor knew from his knowledge of the future.

As I noted elsewhere, it's not clear if the Cyberwar mentioned in Revenge... is the same Cyberwar that was mentioned here. That one didn't mention a galaxy being destroyed: only that the combined anti-Cybermen forces needed the gold found on Voga to fuel their glitterguns and destroy the Cybermen.

Revenge of the Cybermen also had gold interfering with the Cybermen's operating systems, since it blocked their scanning devices. Why that was the case wasn't explained, even in that episode.
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I was not looking forward to this one hearing it was a Cybermen episode, but it got pretty entertaining when The Doctor was taken over. Clara continues to be fantastic.
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"And we learned that the Cybermen could be weakened by gold and cleaning fluid. "

Actually, we learned that back in the 1960s, when the Doctor and Polly first came up with the idea of using cleaning solvents... :)

I thought it was a good episode, but it didn't seem to be a "Neil Gaiman" episode. What's the point of getting Gaiman to write, if he doesn't provide his unique voice? I'm also not sure I buy the "adapt to anything" Cybermen. The Cybermen have never been that powerful in the past, but were these past Cybermen? Alternate dimension Cybermen? Was the Cyberwar in question the one mentioned back in the 1970s when the Cybermen were defeated with gold? Or some other Cyberwar?
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Future cybermen. But not CYBUSmen created on Earth. Classic Cybermen in the future.
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But which future? Revenge of the Cybermen was set in the future, too. So was there another Cyberwar after that Cyberwar? Was it the same Cyberwar? And when did "a thousand galaxies" get an Emperor?
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I'm totally with you on the two parter thing. This is an episode that had so much plot and character packed in that it DEFINITELY needed to be longer. They had to plant seeds and reveals at light speed: the Emperor thing was actually being foreshadowed by commentary left and right.

THANK YOU for being willing to talk about the Doctor and Clara getting all lovey-dovey (seriously, his face when he realized he'd just had a sexual fantasy...priceless). The sheer volume of unnecessary touching those two engage in--I don't think an episode has passed where they haven't grabbed hands at every possible opportunity.

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I'm trying to figure out why people seem intent on reading any companion that doesn't have a husband, as a love interest for the Doctor. I mean, I can at least understand the shippers; but it seems really sad that people who don't actually want it to happen, are complaining about every single companion - when next to zero evidence exists.

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Donna. Clear point. NO SEXUAL TENSION. And I loved it. Why she is my favorite companion. They were just best friends.
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I feel really dumb for not seeing it coming because, looking back at season 1 and 2 episodes, the writers have practically written "Rose: the Sequel" on this girl's forehead. It's not even subtle, I actually wrote all about it: come up and see me sometime at tyrannyofthepetticoat.wordpress
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In my opinion Clara is Rose done right. Rose was a bit stupid in the 9th Doctor's era, and REALLY stupid when 9 became 10: the Casanova Doctor. She made stupid decision after stupid decision to be with him. Clara, on the other hand, is attracted to the Doctor, no doubt, but she has better judgment than Rose EVER had. She doesn't let her emotions for someone cloud her judgment, which Rose did on more than one occasion.
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Great episode, and I don't even like Cybermen very much. The chess game was epic. The kids were annoying, though. Nobody calls the TARDIS a "stupid box" and gets away with it! I liked them better as brain-dead Cyberkids. Also, if Moffat reveals the name of the Doctor next week, somebody's gonna die . . .
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Angie needed to just shut up. I wanted to ground her. I liked her brother though. No wonder Clara likes to go with the Doctor when she has that to put up with at home.

Speaking of Clara I loved watching her just take charge of the troops and come up with a battle plan. She's a very strong woman when she needs to be. She knew what she wanted and she wasn't going to just roll over. I liked watching her with the gun. Clara and the Doctor/Mr. Clever had some great moments. Good acting on everyone's parts. I also liked when Porridge asked her to marry him and the Doctor was like wtf and Clara was just like I got this.

Matt Smith was really really good in this episode. I liked what he did with the Doctor and Mr. Clever. Mr. Clever was kind of scary and the Doctor normally isn't. Yes, everything worked out at the end without too much trouble, but that's Doctor Who for you.

I'm looking forward to next week. We finally get River!
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I am always impressed with Matt Smith's performances as the Doctor in real dramatic scenes like in the Rings of Akhaten or Angels Take Manhattan but tonight allowed him to really show his range. His performance as the Cyber Planner was pretty scarry and threatening.

I was kind of hoping that the Cybermen in this episode would be evolved forms of the original Cybermen rather than the new series Cybermen from the other reality. Regardless, the new design for the Cybermen was quite nice looking and far more sleek looking than before. The design is actually reminiscent of, and something I would like to see used for, Iron Man's armor. It just has that look to it, especially with the light up section in the center of the chest which is very much like the arc reactor in Iron Man's chest plate.

If there was one problem I had with the episode, it would be the damned kids. Every series has that one episode where the main character or hero saddled with some kid that gets into some sort of trouble and the hero has to save them. These kids always have an attitude that is so aggravating that you actually root for the monster. Angie was one of those kids here.
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I love Matt Smith as evil. He said he wants to play the villian in a Bond movie and I think he should.
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Please take note that the kids DID want to go back home after they had their fun with the anti-gravity ride, but the Doctor had them stay in the park. This time it wasn't really the kids fault for getting kidnapped by the Cybermen as it was the Doctor for sensing that there was evil afoot.
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