Doctor Who Season 8 Finale Review: Big Damn Heroes

Doctor Who S08E12: "Death In Heaven"

After last week's "Dark Water" took the time to move Doctor Who's various pieces around the proverbial chessboard, "Death in Heaven" took the chessboard and blew it up into an action-packed finale that brought back a few familiar faces (Hi, Osgood!), tied together several ongoing themes and storylines, like whether the Doctor is a good man, and finally put the Doctor on the course to Gallifrey. In hindsight it's possible to see how the entire season was building up to the reveal of the Master, and like I suspected last week, the Doctor finding Gallifrey, but I wish we'd taken a less circuitous route to get here. It feels like we spent an awful lot of time running in place, but the end result was mostly enjoyable. From the Master's instantly classic Mary Poppins moment to a sort-of cameo from Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart, the episode brought everything back into focus. And so while I have a few grumbles about the journey the show took this season, the destination was worth it in the end.

Peter Capaldi's first season as the Doctor might not be the most fondly remembered, but it won't be because of anything he did. Capaldi truly is, if I may steal Nine's favorite word, fantastic in the role. He brings a sense of depth and anguish to the character as he runs from one place to the next, just trying to maneuver in this world like anyone else. A lot of the stuff involving UNIT on the plane was just exposition, but it showcased the deep madness hiding within the Master (and also kind of made me wish for a Master-centered spin-off?) and pointed out that the Doctor has what the Master always wanted—the power to rule the world—and he didn't have to scheme and plot his way to the top. The Doctor's past heroic behavior has rewarded him with the role, even if the Doctor doesn't A) want it, or B) think he deserves it, and that's truly what sets the Doctor and Master apart. 

The Master claims she created an entire army of Cybermen for the Doctor ("Armies are for people who think they're right; Nobody thinks they're righter than you") so he could win every battle because he's always got to be a big damn hero. But the Doctor doesn't need an army—he never has—he only needs his friends, his companions. Underneath the ravings of a lunatic, the Master really just wanted her friend back and wanted to rule the world with him. She organized this entire scheme involving the Cyberman in an attempt to force the Doctor to admit that they're not that different (and, of course, to tie together the show's ongoing theme involving soldiers and commanders and what part the Doctor plays in all of it). The Doctor is forced time and again to make difficult, sometimes horrible decisions to save the world, and even though having an army of his own would probably come in handy, no one person should have the kind of power the Master was offering up. 

Last week I wished the show had spent more time exploring Danny and Clara's relationship so the events of "Dark Water" felt more tangible, but "Death in Heaven" did a relatively fine job showcasing the differences between Clara's relationship with Danny and her relationship with the Doctor and her role as his companion. Her comment to Danny (even if she didn't know it was Danny at the time) about the Doctor being her best friend and being the one man she will always forgive and never lie to was telling. No matter how much Clara loved Danny, the Doctor was probably always going to win out. And Samuel Anderson did a fine job displaying the hurt and pain Danny felt as a result of his relationship with Clara, and of her relationship to someone that he viewed as cold and calculating and unwilling to get his hands dirty. 

The Doctor needed to know what the purpose was of the cloud hanging out above all of the world's landmasses to figure out how best to stop it, but in order to tap into the hive mind of the Cybermen Danny had to turn on his inhibitor, the one thing the Doctor didn't want to do because to feel pain is to live. "Pain is a gift," the Doctor explained, meaning, as we've always known, pain is what makes us human and separates us from the Cybermen. But Danny didn't want to feel pain anymore, and begged Clara to switch on the inhibitor. This episode made strides to dive into the Cybermen and the truly awful, despicable things that happen to the people who are inside. I'm not completely sold on the "love is a promise" of it all and Danny's ability to not only not harm Clara, but to take control of the entire army of the dead to save the land of the living, but everyone did such phenomenal work in this episode that I'm willing to accept the whole "love conquers all" idea. Even if it's a little cliche, it's a nice message.

But Danny wasn't necessarily wrong about the Doctor, because he's not a good man. Of course, he's also not a bad man either. The Doctor is not a hero, nor is he a president—he's a single man who's just passing through, helping out, and learning as he goes, which makes him no different than the rest of the human race. The difference is that the Doctor has a TARDIS, is far, far more clever than everyone else, and he's always, always looking at the big picture. His brain is always a step ahead of everyone else trying to calculate how best to save the world in any given moment, but that doesn't automatically make him a hero. Danny might not like the Doctor, but he's certainly better than the alternative. And if the Doctor is always looking at how to save the world and not just a single person, the Master is the opposite. She always fails to take into account the rest of the world. Everything she does revolves around the Doctor, and she has tunnel vision to the point where she's so focused on her diabolical plans that she ultimately fails to notice the flaw in her design: the single Cyberman who wasn't under her control, and it became her undoing. 

There are always causalities in war, and although there wasn't an intergalactic war this finale, there was a war for the future of the human race. And unfortunately, in order to save the world from the Cybermen, Danny Pink had to die for good this time. It was rather poetic that Danny died a soldier, and it gave him the redemption he needed. He had the chance to come back, but ultimately chose to save the child who he'd killed during combat, proving that Danny Pink is actually better than all of us. He was unselfish in death, and say what you want about his character while he was alive, but he was a better person than most of us could ever hope to be. He gets a lot of hate from the fandom and I think much of it is unwarranted. The character of Danny Pink was necessary because he shined a light on the Doctor's lesser qualities. But at the end of the day, the Doctor will always play the hero (except for those times he doesn't), and the Master will always play the villain, but it was Danny who saved the world.

"Death in Heaven" was a pretty remarkable end to a really wobbly season. The Doctor hasn't found Gallifrey, but is on the hunt for it, which is a storyline loaded with promise and something I'm very much looking forward to exploring next season. The addition of the Master back in to the fold was a pretty clever means of bringing the Time Lords back, and you won't find me arguing against Michelle Gomez in the role, because she brought her all and made it her own. Every line out of her mouth was laced with the malevolence and crazyness of the Master and I wish there was a way for her to stick around for awhile. 

After tearing Clara apart in Matt Smith's final farewell episode last winter, I'll be sad to see her go, too. If that final scene in the cafe in which Clara didn't correct the Doctor about Danny not returning is any indication, it certainly appears that Jenna Coleman's time in the TARDIS is coming to an end. But if the Christmas special is her final episode as a companion, I'll actually miss her. Clara's journey this season made her more Doctor-like and resulted in that somewhat silly scene in which she proclaimed, "I am not Clara Oswald. Clara Oswald has never existed," which certainly made for good promotional trailers, but not much else. But in the end she evolved beyond the Impossible Girl, and her love for Danny and his for her ultimately ended up saving the world. You did good, girl. 



NOTES


– In case you haven't seen it, here's the teaser for the Christmas special:


– The idea of the Doctor being voted the President of Earth feels only a few steps removed from President of the Galaxy, and surely someone out there has already written Doctor Who/Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy crossover fanfiction, right?

– "Nice bowtie." "Bowties are cool." I'm really going to miss Osgood. Especially after the Doctor made the comment that "all of time and space" could be on her bucket list. She really was too precious for this world.

– If all the dead returned to life as Cybermen, that means in addition to Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart (who saved Kate) returning, that Amy and Rory were technically Cybermen, too. So many fallen friends.

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Dec 07, 2014
Just before the season started, I was nervous but positive. Nervous that I wouldn't like Peter Capaldi as the Doctor, but positive because I've liked each new Doctor so far, so I figured I'd like this one too.

Capaldi's fine. I should have been nervous about the writing! This season was just depressing. I didn't love any of the episodes, only really liked maybe 2 of them, and thought that Coleman and Capaldi make a pretty bad team, though I like them separately. It doesn't seem like they like each other.

I hope that the writers can get something figured out for the next season!
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Nov 28, 2014
The Master has always had "Target Fixation" when it comes to the Doctor.
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Nov 16, 2014
I'm surprised that in all of the comments about Clara - whom I like very much - no one noted that Jenna Coleman was given top billing over Capaldi in this episode's opening credits. Well deserved given her taking on more of The Doctors' responsibilities this season. That billing certainly says something!
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Nov 16, 2014
yeah that was a pretty cool title opener switch - it was even her face and not Capaldi's in the opening credits as well...
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Nov 16, 2014
I agree - the "Danny/Clara thing" made no sense and was boring. There wasn't any logical reason for them to be so in love as there was absolutely no on-screen chemistry between them.

As to the Doctor finding Galifrey - he didn't find it. He looked out and nothing was there. That was then his part of Clara and The Doctor lying to each other. She about being now with Pink and his about finding Galifrey.
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Sep 17, 2015
Could not agree more. Danny/Clara thing was just awful, and made nearly turn it off.
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Nov 15, 2014

"‘Doctor Who’ Not Losing Viewers, Not Being Cancelled: Steven Moffat" -- headline from yesterday's ibtimes.com. Now maybe some some of the haters and downers who like to post here can stop trying to scare people or piss them off. Show will continue - case closed.

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Nov 12, 2014
The big problem is its been americanised it is now more fantasy than scifi.credibility took a nose dive half way through with the episode about the moon giving birth to a whatever and as for a whole forest suddenly appearing on earth just because of a massive coronal ejection from the sun.In the relaunched 1st series the doctor thought they had been away 1 day and it was a year.Precision time travel was against everything that occured under previous writers before moffat took over. The 2 part finale could have lost 1/2 an hour it was too long.The tagging on of the whole romance thing seemed to me to just pad out the season.The has been female timelords previously in the "classic who" Kate omara played a type of female master.There is also the conveniently overlooked doctors Daughter although she hasnt a time machine.If they really want a larger female count then thats the way to go but having mary poppins as the master doesnt work.
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Nov 11, 2014
In general I've thought this season has been lacklustre and if I'm being strictly honest I think far to much time was devoted to Danny/Clara it just was not that interesting. I thought things improved with the last few episodes though particularly Missy who I thought was down right hilarious, Michelle Gomez was superb as the Master/Missy from selfies with the Cyber men to the whole Psycho Poppins/ Cyber Mummy routine she had me in stitches. I too hope we haven't seen the last of her as for the Doctor's reaction to arriving at the co-ordinates Missy gave him I took it to mean he had found Galifrey and wasn't particularly happy about it. Admittedly I might have gotten it all wrong but I thought the Doctor wanted Galifrey to stay lost since the last time we saw it not only did Rassillion try to use it to destroy Earth but wasn't there also the tiny matter of a time war left unresolved. After all while Galifrey remains AWOL the rest of the universe is a whole lot safer (Earth excepted obviously.)On the subject of Clara going does it not seem odd to anyone else that if she is to be no more we haven't had any hoo-ha in the press about a new companion? When Amy left and those before her you would have thought the Queen had abdicated there was such a fuss. Anyway as my Gran used to say we'll just have to wait and see wont we?
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Nov 16, 2014
Sorry - this was supposed to be a reply here but TV Com mixed up the "comments" boxes and it got put in on its own above.

I agree - the "Danny/Clara thing" made no sense and was boring. There wasn't any logical reason for them to be so in love as there was absolutely no on-screen chemistry between them.

As to the Doctor finding Galifrey - he didn't find it. He looked out and nothing was there. That was then his part of Clara and The Doctor lying to each other. She about being now with Pink and his about finding Galifrey.
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Nov 11, 2014
It's such a shame that the writers and directors are really trying to upgrade the franchise, but Doctor Who has inherited such dull creatures. That's the manin point here: cybermen are just not that scary.
They are a couple of CP3O's.
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Nov 11, 2014
Ok one more time I am going to ask... Where was Danny when he came" back" to clara and instead of coming himself he sent he child he killed...
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Nov 14, 2014
I agree! That was one of the larger plot holes in the particular story and that litter Moffat's writing in general. In his writing Moffat often relies on a sudden miracle to clean up loose ends but creates others in the process. It made no sense! It is crap writing. A blown up and definitely dead Danny used a blown up bracelet (that wouldn't actually be with is disembodied soul) to bring back a boy he ordered to blow himself up and managed to use the blown up bracelet to convert the boy's soul into flesh and blood from where - heaven, hell, purgatory? It wasn't even necessary to have that scene.
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Nov 15, 2014
Ya... that is true about the writeing...I guess he wanted to end the Danny story on a "happy" note.. however my theory about them going back to that sphere thing does not take into account the bracelet would NOT be there... so where ever Danny etc were and they are dieing ( I am pretty sure that is what he said) HOW could that bracelet do it.. P E still bugs me too lol...I know it was his nickname of Danny but it meant something else in this episode... I wish the other guy would come back.. the one who did other seasons...Even though Moffat did the River story and also I did like Rory and Amy ( a companion who loved someone else rather then the Doctor BUT River was around once in awhile to add some romance..) However since Clara and now new Doctor I am not impressed....
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Nov 13, 2014
ANYBODY??? I have rewatched it like three times and I think Danny says we are dieing here ( possibly there spirit,essence,whatever went back to that sphere thing they came from but only ONE could come "back" so he sent the boy...)
I still do not know what PE in this case stood for... Doctor says... O good Danny knew what I meant when I said PE.. good boy he will make a Maths teacher yet" In other words he did not mean Phys ED in this case ... but have NO real idea what PE stood for in this sentence... I guess it really does not matter except it does bug me... AND after rewatching it three time (the end scene) I do believe the NEWs the Doctor says he thinks Clara has is that Danny is back BUT I do think the news she was going to say is she is pregnant...
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Nov 11, 2014
I haven’t been through all the comments, but I’m surprised that no one has touched on the issue that is bothering me the most about this episode in particular and the show overall recently. The Doctor isn’t being very Doctor like. He is just along for the ride and doesn’t really affect anything. Let’s recap the show…

  • Cybermen in all cities in the world. Doctor gets knocked out
  • Doctor is made president of the world and complains that we are all doomed
  • Doctor doesn't do the one thing he is uniquely qualified to do which is to search Missy for hidden tech
  • Ok, the Doctor does save himself from falling out of an exploding plane
  • Doctor needs to know Cybermen’s plans…Leaves it up to Clara and gives her his sonic screwdriver.
  • Finally the Doctor now knows the master plans (hehe). How does he solve the problem? He does nothing and just has the Cyberman army handed over to him
  • Fine. Great. Now the Doctor has an army. Does he tell that army to clean up the mess they made? NO!
  • Does he tell that army to go fly into the sun, because no one should have that power? NO!
  • No. All the Doctor does is complain that he has the power to actually do something and once again leaves it to someone else, Danny, to solve the problem

The Doctor has become a supporting character, and not a very interesting one, in his own show.
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Nov 16, 2014
But once again Clara is being Doctor-like. And perhaps that's why she did get top billing in the opening credits over Capaldi. Though given the other episodes in which she's been Doctor-like i would expected that top billing in them, as well.i
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Nov 18, 2014
That doesn't explain why the Doctor has stopped being like the Doctor. Why is the Doctor all of a sudden perplexed when he is in charge? The only thing the Doctor did in this episode was to be an exposition box crying about how much trouble they were in. That simply isn't the Doctor. The Doctor is the one coming in with the psychic paper and taking charge. He is the calm one with the plan when everything else is falling apart.

I have no problem with point-of-view episodes where the focus shifts from the traditional main characters, and often find it refreshing when it happens. Two good examples of this off the top of my head would be Star Trek the Next Generation's "Lower Decks" or Buffy the Vampire Slayer's "The Zeppo". However if you've seen either of those episodes you'll note that the main characters didn't have to be neutered in order to allow other characters to carry the weight of the show.

The problem is that the Doctor has become an annoying character who takes up valuable screen time but does nothing. If they didn't want to use him for the episode then they should have simply not have him be there like in the episode "Blink".
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Nov 11, 2014
I've decided that Moffat simply can't write good science fiction. He starts off with a grand ideas that he can't pull off. His writing is either too cute by half or too treacly by half. Cybermen now have pollen that raise the dead (and have no effect of the living). After making the child he killed as a soldier blow himself up as a Cyberman, Danny who was blown up as well uses a bracelet that was blown up with him to materialize the child for Clara including the his mall bought clothes? An where was all this taking place from? Saluting the zombie Lethbridge Stewart for emotional effect? All total rubbish. I realize that science fiction has a certain amount of 'suspension of disbelief' but Moffat consistently pushes past that limit trying to write beyond himself. I did enjoy the performance of Michelle Gomez as Missy, but her actions in no way reflect the Master of the past. They would have been much better off making her a new villain. This season, Flatline is the only good story. What we have here is another silly mish mash of a finale that tries to throw everything out there rather than have a solid, coherent script.
I am very much looking forward to the BBC regenerating Moffat as being in charge.
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Nov 19, 2014
slayme3's right, you're wrong. Moffat has written many of the most iconic episodes of the revamp; The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, The Girl in The Fireplace, Blink (and all the Angel episodes), Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead (and most of the River Song episodes), The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang, A Good Man Goes to War, The Name/Day/Time of the Doctor, etc.

The first three of those won Hugo Awards for three years in a row at a time when he was only writing one episode (or double episode) per season, and he has written 4 out of the 6 Doctor Who episodes to have won that award. 12 of the shows 25 nominations for that award were written by Moffat including all 5 of the nominations for 2013 and 2014. Moffat also won their only BAFTA received for Best Writer (Blink).

Without him we wouldn't have the Weeping Angels, River Song, Amy Pond, The Silence or the Paternoster Gang.

And whilst, this season hasn't been my favourite and some of the execution has not been as exceptional as in previous years (and hampered by the wearisome Coleman), you can clearly see what Moffat was doing in terms of character development for Capaldi's Doctor following the Day of the Doctor and the whole soldiers and officers arc of Danny Pink and the series. As wonderful and poignant as the Family of Blood episodes were, to have a far less explicit reference to the vast waste of life of WWI develop throughout the whole season and culminate in the season finale that broadcast on the weekend of Armistice commemorations in the centenary year of the start of that war, is actually phenomenally ambitious and layered science fiction writing
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Nov 15, 2014
you're wrong
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Nov 11, 2014
After the events of "Dark Water" I was really looking forward to what they would do here but I have to say I am disappointed with the result.

Lets start with the Cybermen. For years now they have been the lesser villain, a far cry from the terrors that they were in the classic series. The new design in "Nightmare in Silver" along with the idea that the only way to stop them was to blow up with a planet went a long way to making them respectable again but the episode faultered because of the writing. I thought that we would finally get the iconic cybermen episode here but instead the cybermen were basically the Master's bitches. They should be able to stand on their own.

Oh, and it is not as if the new cybermen did not look enough like Iron Man already, you have to make the bloody things fly too.

The Master was perfect here, better than Simm in the "The End of Time" and more like he was in "Sound of Drums" minus a bit of his mania. Missy was just the right mix of evil intelligence and batshit craziness. She was ruthless in her killing and yet believed that she was helping the Doctor. I would have liked a little more information on how she escaped Galifrey and got yet another set of regenerations since she was last seen with a dying lifeforce.

I don't like the idea that The Doctor's departed friends are potentially Cybermen like Stewart.

I really don't like how things ended with Clara and the Doctor. After all season of Clara and The Doctor rebuilding their relationship of trust, they ended up parting on mutual lies. It just doesn't sit right with me. I would have rather Danny actually found his way back and Clara choose to leave to be with him, finally realizing that it is time to move on from the Doctor and the Doctor telling Clara that Gallifrey is still lost but that he is going to find it.

I really hope that Clara's story does not end here and the the Christmas special gives her a better ending.

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Nov 11, 2014
Okay, so pardon me if this has already been covered below, but didn't we learn earlier in this season that Danny and Clara have a descendent who looks just like Danny? I believe the episode was "Listen." So am I wrong to think that surely Danny can't be gone for good? If he is...that's kinda distressing. Kaitlyn says many people didn't like him, and while I'm not one of them, at the very least it puts a much darker tint on the show than we're used to. Moffat had promised that the show intended to get darker in this regeneration....more serious....but I didn't think they'd kill him. Osgood either. I'm not too happy about that. I don't mind a darker tone to the show, but I have to say that regular characters dying is somewhat out of whack for Doctor Who, and I prefer it to stay lighter than that. I mean, Adric died way back in the 80's and that was considered a huge thing. I sorta don't like permanent tragedy on DW.
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Nov 11, 2014
My theory given that, as you say, the show confirms Danny and Clara have ancestors is that Clara's news for the Doctor at the end before he interrupts and tells her he found Gallifrey is that she is pregnant.
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Nov 10, 2014
Sorry, but Osgood DESERVED to die because of her several stupid decisions in dealing with Missy. (Moffat's fault, that.)

* She should never have gotten close enough to Missy for her to whisper.

* If she felt she HAD to hear the "secret", she should have had the guards check her bindings, first.

* The MOMENT Missy said, "I'm going to kill you", she should have ordered the guards to tranquilize her.

* She should have instantly called for help and RAN AWAY, not gone calmly back to work at her desk.

* And, WHY was she even working there? Seems silly to have anyone but guards in that room.

Also, I blame the DOCTOR for not making sure Missy was relieved of anything that could possibly be technology -- and that bracelet was NOT subtle. STUPID that they let her keep it after they tranq'd her.
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Nov 16, 2014
As stupid as she was WTF was up with those quote unquote "guards". The chick repeatedly threatens to kill someone, slips her handcuffs in front of you, puts them someone else's pocket who then holds them up in front of your face showing you clearly that the freakin' prisoner you're supposed to be guarding has escaped her restraints AND YOU JUST STAND THERE DOING NOTHING????
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Nov 16, 2014
Yeah, that REALLY bugged me. Esp since these were supposed to be the best of the best. Sheesh.
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Nov 10, 2014
I know this is going to be an unpopular comment given that most other comment are of a positive nature... I did not like this season at all. But I do have some questions. Where did the cybermen go after they left earth? What was PE? and finally was the Doctor mad that he had killed Missy/Master because she finally told the truth ONCE.. We all know she/he is NOT dead. Anyways, If know one answers me it wont bother to not understand because I give this whole season a 4.
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Nov 16, 2014
She did lie about the location of Gallifrey though. When he got to those coordinates, it wasn't there and he flipped out. He lied about telling Clara he'd found it for the same reason she lied about Danny coming back to her; they both wanted to stop travelling with each other (she betrayed him pretty badly with the TARDIS keys and she realised she was losing her humanity-Danny's death being "boring"). Those lies about both of them finally having the thing they wanted more than anything was a happy little fiction they told each other so that they could leave each other knowing the other person was happy. That's just my opinion though.
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Nov 16, 2014
I saw it as more, they saw they other one was happy and wanted them to continue with the happy life.

He thought she was happy with Danny, so he wanted her to stay here and not have to choose.

While she thought was happy and his journeys were going to end while he helped them rebuild. And didn't want to be a distraction.

But the whole "curse you for trying to destroy the keys" but could have been a factor.
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Nov 22, 2014
Yeah, that was definitely a part of it too. I don't think it was so much a spiteful thing on the part of the Doctor at wanting Clara out due to the Tardis key debacle. He could have just refused to help her with Danny if that was the case. I think he genuinely cared for her, but I think he always believed he was the most important man in her life (ie. when he assumed her boyfriend was the Matt Smith look-alike) and seeing the lengths she was willing to go to for Danny and the apparent ease with which she flipped the switch from trusted friend to balls-out psycho probably made him reassess everything between them and perhaps consider that travelling with him is not the best thing for her. Hence why he lied about Gallifrey which was a nice way of saying "There's no need for you to travel with me any more".
Or maybe I just spend waaay too much time analysing Doctor Who!
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Nov 11, 2014
I agree 100 percent
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Nov 10, 2014
The Cybermen Missy controlled self destructed to create the Cybermist rain, the Cybermen Danny controlled flew into the air self destructed to burn the clouds away. They are all destroyed.

PE is Physical Education, the Doctor has been calling Danny PE for many episodes now.

Brigadier General Lethbridge killed Missy/The Master, we knew that because of the Doctor saluting him, it was because Kate Lethbridge told the Doctor earlier in the episode that her father wanted to get a salute from the Doctor.

Missy/The Master didn't tell the truth, the Doctor was lying to Clara when he said Gallery was at the quadrants, but they showed the Doctor get there and there was nothing but open space.

Also, Missy/the Master is a Time Lord, most likely will regenerate, since this is only regeneration 4 from his rebooted generations in the Doctor Who movie (Against The Eigth Doctor)
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Nov 19, 2014
The Doctor saluting Lethbridge-Stewart is part of the whole reflection of WWI throughout this series (the finale being broadcast during Armistice commemorations in this first year of the centenary). Lethbridge-Stewart's daughter saying he wanted to be saluted is a metaphor for the fallen asking to be remembered. The Cybermen's sacrifice a reflection of the numbers killed. Doing so to protect the living together with Danny's decision to return the child reflecting that the gave their today for future generations' tomorrow. Lethbridge-Stewart killing the Master to spare the Doctor from doing so reflects it was a horrendous duty and sacrifice carried out to give others freedoms and a life they couldn't have for themselves. The Doctor finally saluting him is reflecting that we don't have to like war or agree with the decisions and politics of those who take us to war (why the Doctor doesn't want to be a leader and baulks at Pink calling him an officer) to respect and remember those who fought and gave their lives for us.
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Nov 11, 2014
See, I took that scene about the doctor looking for Gallifrey differently. I didn't think the Master had lied about it. The planet is time-locked in a different dimension, as per what we learned in Tennant's final episodes and Smith's final episode. It was Gallifrey sending those signals through the cracks that plagued Eleven all his life, looking for a name so they would know it was safe to come through from whatever dimension they're locked in. The Master said it was in the exact same coordinates it originally was, so when the Doctor looked out at empty space I was thinking he was expecting that. Gallifrey IS there....spatial coordinates-wise....just not in this dimension (whatever that means). I took his anger and banging his console as some sort of angsty emo-ing because he realized he doesn't have the will to try and bring it back right now. Last year in the Christmas episode, Eleven realized that Gallifrey coming back would mean the immediate resuming of the Time War that caused him to time-lock them in the first place. He didn't think the universe could survive that so he committed his final years to making sure the battle for Trenzalore stayed stale-mated. I took this as a continuation of all that.....that the Doctor was tempted to bring it back from another dimension, but realized that he just couldn't, because the Daleks will never rest in their war against the Time Lords. I could be way wrong about all of that. That's just my take on it.
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Nov 10, 2014
"PE" is short for physical education (gym class). My guess is that teachers of Capaldi's generation (the actor's) were mostly female except for PE teachers (because, you know, boys play sports). By this logic Danny is a male teacher so therefore he teaches PE.

I thought the Doctor's anger in the TARDIS was directed at himself. The Master lied about Gallifrey being back and he was mad at himself for believing it. His anger seems to be followed by crushing sadness at still being alone. (I don't believe the Doctor was going to kill the Master, and I don't think the show wants us to see the Doctor angry at CyberBrigadier if his blast killed actually killed her.)
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Nov 11, 2014
I know PE stand for what he called Danny However.... He said to Clara in the last restaurant - He sees the bracelet and says " I see Danny knew what I meant by PE you are both together and happy (orsomething) SO where was Danny when he sent the boy back?? I thought maybe it was Parellel Earth but nobody seems to think this... very confused about where Danny and the boy were...
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Nov 10, 2014
No, it was because he was a soldier and obviously a soldier would only be good at teaching PE.
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Nov 10, 2014
They detonated in the atmosphere, each and every one, to destroy all of the pollyn clouds.

Except for that one Cyberman, Lethbridge-Stewart, who just appeared to fly up. I don't recall hearing a "bang" as he kamikaze'd in the atmosphere but I imagine he would have.
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Nov 10, 2014
Or perhaps not--if the Brigadier, like Danny, had the strength of will to resist the cyber hive, then perhaps he just went somewhere else to "hibernate" until he's needed again.

Remember than Kate fell long before Danny led the Cybermen into the sky. If the Brigadier's self-destruct was necessary to prevent the loss of human life, he'd have gone up with them immediately without question, instead of waiting to be sure the Doctor saw Kate.

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Nov 10, 2014
The Doctor didn't kill (or even think he did) Missy. It was the Brigadier/Mechanical Man who beat him to it.
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Nov 10, 2014
The burned up in the clouds they set on fire.
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Nov 10, 2014
Man, those 4 knocks at by the end killed me! LOL
Hey Nick Frost!!!😁
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Nov 10, 2014
Did no one watch the end bit about Santa? Really? No one? Because it was clear from that, that as yet Clara hasn't left......especially as the leaks about her leaving said about her final episode being the Christmas Special. She's now said she's not sure she's going - but of course she has to say that right? Either way, this was not her last episode.

I'm sure she'll get a good send off, she's been popular overall - not as popular as Rose; as popular as Donna and more popular than the Ponds.....so sort....middle of the road then..
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Nov 10, 2014
TracyTrouble just below you I wrote about Santa and Clara. And no Clara has not been more popular than the Ponds, not by a long shot. Actually she has been unfairly absolutely hated by a lot of people
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Nov 16, 2014
I strongly disagree with you. I loved Clara in all of her incarnations. She is at least as favored as Amy Pond and probably more. I did not like some of the changes they made to her character this season - least of all the nonsensical falling in love with Pink - but under it all she was still the same Clara. And the strength she had to be Doctor-like this season was really there all along (Asylum of the Daleks,,Nightmare in Silver) if not as forcefully displayed.
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Nov 16, 2014
Viewer1 please read my comments more carefully. I did not say I hated Clara. I said "Actually she has been unfairly absolutely hated by a lot of people" But she is not more popular than the Ponds, that has to do with the general public not my opinion (I actually like her & she has been her best this season)
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Nov 13, 2014
Sorry, didn't see your post. I think it is unfair - but a lot of the teens my daughter's age (she's just turned 17 and belongs to various teen forums about tv, music and movies) Clara is indeed more loved than the Ponds. Certainly more than Danny was this season; apparently the resounding opinion was he was "well wet" (which is a very bad thing to be so my daughter tells me)' .

Personally me and mine hope she might yet get to stay; we liked her a lot - not as much as Rose, my family truly adored that companion. But certainly we liked her a lot. Now Danny has gone to work at the Celestial branch of 'Valco' then I figure she's got nothing to lose right?
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Nov 10, 2014
But, loved by a lot of people, too. I'd say she's polarizing with people either loving or hating with very few in the middle.
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Nov 13, 2014
You should listen to your son & watch the modern series from beginning :)
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Nov 10, 2014
I LOVED the "other" Clara versions: Victorian era, Oswin the Dalek, etc.

But last season's "Impossible Girl" Clara was kind of boring.

This season however, she had a lot more to do and started to act clever. So this season I really liked this season's Clara quite a bit. She wasn't my #1 Companion but I liked her a lot.
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Nov 10, 2014
My first exposure to Clara was last year's Christmas Special and I fell in love with her, there. I loved her enthusiasm and excitement when she saw she got to go on another adventure.

I wasn't QUITE as thrilled with her more contentious nature, this season, but I still like her very much.

(I'm new to DW, this season, and mainly watch it because my son is a Whovian. But, I did enjoy this season. He's trying to get me to go back and watch from the beginning (of the modern series). Not sure I'm ready to do that, though.
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Nov 10, 2014
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Nov 10, 2014
Great review in general just a few things I noticed or you missed:
-I can't believe you didn't mention Missy singing "Oh Missy you're so fine" I was crying with laughter.
- Since when do Cybermen kill someone & they disappear? Missy is not dead!
- Clara's birthday is November 23rd (she really was born for the Doctor)
- Also again hinting that Clara knows the Doctor's name
- We still don't really know why Missy wanted Clara with the Doctor
- Also Missy may have lied about the coordinates but not that Gallifrey wasn't lost anymore
- Also don't you also believe that Clara is gonna ask for Danny back from Santa in Xmas special?
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Nov 10, 2014
The closest we got for an explanation was:

She wanted a control freak to pair with the Doctor, and someone that could get him to follow her into hell itself (or something of that nature).

Which, is exactly what happened. Clara got The Doctor to follow her into the afterlife for Danny. Something that I imagine some past companions might not have been able to get him to do.
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Nov 10, 2014
Great thinking Kanniball but could it be just that? I was thinking since Missy said she had gone up and down the Doctor's timeline, she knew that Clara was the Impossible Girl so she should be with him??
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Nov 10, 2014
I can't believe you didn't mention Missy singing "Oh Missy you're so fine" I was crying with laughter.

Not enough time! She had a lot of great moments, though.
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Nov 10, 2014
are we just supposed to assume clara is in the xmas special since she's in the pic at the end? she wasnt in the trailer.

i was hoping this ep was her last & we'd get the new on one xmas.

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Nov 10, 2014
The official press release has her listed as appearing.
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Nov 10, 2014
It looks like her silhouette is in the group shot in the trailer, as well.

And the grapevine has said that she will depart the Doctor's companionship after Christmas (as you alluded to), so unless Moffat and company have it out there as a red herring, this will be her swan song. I'm guessing hers will be more like Sarah Jane Smith than Amy Pond or even Rose Tyler. UNIT has seen how much of an asset she can be more than once.

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Nov 12, 2014
Whether or not Clara will be leaving in this year's Christmas special, I have a feeling that she will be joining UNIT now that they have a vacancy with the death of Osgood. In the Day of the Doctor, there were pictures of her in UNIT's Black Vault alongside Kate Lethbridge-Stuart.
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Nov 10, 2014
so what was the deal with that Danny from the future in the previous episode?

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Nov 10, 2014
It was his descendant. And Clara "could" be pregnant... or the timeline may have changed.
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Nov 10, 2014
Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey
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Nov 10, 2014
Or maybe Clara gets what she wants for Christmas. Maybe not Danny. but maybe she's preggers, and the Doctor already dealt with the consequences of one companion being pregnant while travelling with him in Season 6. That would be supported by the fact that Future Pink referred to his great grandmother, but I don't recall him mentioning much of his great grandfather.

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Nov 10, 2014
That's because his great grandFATHER was not a time traveler.
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Nov 10, 2014
poor osgood (i didn't know/remember her name until reading this)
that line from the doctor made it seem like she could be the next companion.
but i'm sure it'll be another hotty...not that there is anything wrong with that. do we know who is in the running?

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Nov 10, 2014
&3 Osgood, such a Matt Smith shipper till the end.
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Nov 10, 2014
A day later and I find myself surprisingly bordering on outrage at Moffat for killing off Osgood. She was unquestionably the embodiment of Who fans in the series. Is it a big eff-you to the fans, saying, "It's my series and I'll run it like a panto if I want."? He says it was to show that the Master is pure evil. At this point it seems to me more like a streak of corrupt meanness within the writer.
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Nov 10, 2014
I see it as Moffat trying to do his best Joss Whedon imitation by killing off a character that fans love. Of course, Moffat doesn't have the finesse of Whedon and it just didn't work for me.

I guess I understand in theory what he was trying to do—drive up the stakes, make viewers feel things, showcase how evil the Master really is—but it's really frustrating.

Vanity Fair actually published a good article yesterday about whether or not Moffat actually just hates his fans. Have you read it?
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Nov 26, 2014
Given the reference to "smell" was that Osgood, or the Zygon that looked like her?
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Nov 10, 2014
I think he's not quite done with Danny though--or at least his legacy.

I remember not feeling too badly for Rory near the end of "Amy's Choice" or even at the end of "Cold Blood," as I hadn't gotten connected to the character yet, but by the time we reached the finale, I really liked the guy, so that the payoff midway through S7 was effectively emotional.

Funny thing was--back then, I didn't feel connected to the character until the Doctor did (remember that, like with Danny and Clara, Rory was not the Doctor's first assumption of who Amy's boyfriend was).

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Nov 10, 2014
Yes, but I couldn't read it until you forced me to, just now. ;-) Two main reasons: The photo of Osgood's beautiful face in #4's scarf at the top (mentally stamped "KILLED BY STEVEN MOFFAT"). And a headline purposely backwards (Moffat doesn't have a "bad fan" problem--Loyal fans have a bad show runner problem).

As far as Sherlock, Moffatdoes "own" that series. It's all his (and Gatiss's). He/They have done exceptionally well with those. The Reichenbach resurrexplanations were brilliantly done. That's having fun with fans. The Osgood death wasn't fun on any level.

Nick Frost Santa asks what do I want for Christmas? Fix our broken show runner or provide a working replacement, please.
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Nov 10, 2014
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Nov 10, 2014
"He says it was to show that the Master is pure evil."

I agree. At what point has the evilness of the Master ever been questioned?
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Nov 10, 2014
i thought it was pretty good. i couldn't care less about the Danny storyline, but everything else was really good.

i love that she did it all just to give him a birthday present. it was touching...in a crazy-lunatic sort of way. you actually felt bad for the master for a bit for just wanting her buddy back.
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Nov 10, 2014
the only thing i thought was dumb, was how some of that special rain could put full cybermen suits around the dead in their graves.
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Nov 10, 2014
the best season since Eccleston, and the most consistent DW season ever.
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Nov 10, 2014
Bahahahaahahahahahahahaa! /sarcasm I hope?
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Nov 10, 2014
not the slightest
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Nov 10, 2014
This episode destroyed me. Unlike many others, it seems, I actually liked Clara, her development into a schoolteacher (which is a callback to the first ever Dr Who companion, even down to Coal Hill School) and her relationship with Mr Pink.

What some may not realise is the subtext of the whole "soldier" thread which culminated in the events of this episode. This year is the 100th anniversary of the start of the 1st World War. 11th November is Remembrance Day in the UK and the preceding Sunday (the day after the broadcast of this episode) is Remembrance Sunday, in which the sacrifice of the fallen from that war and all subsequent conflicts is commemorated. The BBC has been all over this, programming documentaries and dramas linked to the 100th anniversary. I think this was intended to be a part of that programming and I think they did a marvellous job of examining war and soldiering from many angles, rather than just glorifying it.
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Nov 10, 2014
I'm surprised there is no mention to the "scottish woman" UNIT says called them when The Doctor asked how they got there that fast. That's a brand new mistery for next season. Someone new? It seems more like a clue for someone old. Amy Pond maybe? The Master sais she had been all over The Doctor's timeline, could she have had a stowaway that come to warn UNIT of this danger?
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Nov 10, 2014
At the time they showed Missy using a Scottish accent, I assumed that she wanted unit to arrive there and then.
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Nov 10, 2014
No idea about Dr Who cause I don't watch it, but I know this Pete Capaldi is a marvellous human being- prepare to blub:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-29976527
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Nov 10, 2014
Danny's dead and Clara's gone, that's all I ever wanted.
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Nov 10, 2014
i didn't really want clara gone, but i am ready for a new companion.

def glad danny is gone.
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Nov 10, 2014
Why?
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Nov 10, 2014
The problem I have with this episode is that it conflicts with the spaceman Awesome Pink in episode 8x04 listen, Danny is now not in this dimension so Awesome would not be born.
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Nov 10, 2014
i was wondering that as well.
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Nov 10, 2014
not if clara is already now one month pregnant.
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Nov 10, 2014
Was thinking the exact same thing. Waiting for that little nugget in the Xmas special :)
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Nov 10, 2014
If she's pregnant, that give the writers an easy and reasonable reason for Clara to stop traveling with the Doctor.
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Dec 07, 2014
We wouldn't want the baby to have a space head! :)
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Nov 10, 2014
Yeah, maybe he learned his lesson? :)
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Nov 10, 2014
Amy Pond and River Song come to mind? :)

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Nov 10, 2014
Loved the episode, but wanted to slap Clara for saying "do as you are told" to the doctor and i'm ok with her going because her character has down graded this season to a bossy school teacher that should have left with Matt smith. Wish the Master didn't die so suddenly, would have liked the prospect of her coming back and seeing more of her, she obviously did her research with previous masters which i admired. Could have used less Danny time as well i really didn't like him and we didn't get enough clara/danny interaction to care when he died or chose not to come back. Hopefully with a new companion the writers will do more exciting things with the doctor and go back to travelling the stars...i miss the old days, the simple days.
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Nov 10, 2014
In the UK they showed a 15 minute 'aftershow' show where Stephen Moffatt address the death of the Master (Missy?) - he referred back to the Original series where the master always died at the end and then reappeared in another episode and said 'I escaped' - based on this I very much doubt that this is the last we see of the Master
Also why all the Clara hating - she is a fine actress and played the part she was given very well this season - the problem was the poor writing of the character in the previous season
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Nov 10, 2014
It's great Moffat sees being inconsistent and using terrible plot holes as doing an homage...
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Nov 10, 2014
I don't see why everyone is against Moffatt, he has consistently written the best episodes and his show running has created a much better series than the joke that was Russell Davies in the final couple of series
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Nov 13, 2014
Yet in this series the best episodes haven't been written by Moffat
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Nov 10, 2014
It really sucks to see Clara go, especially with the way she went. Her character was fantastically upgraded this season even though I wasn't completely fond of Danny Pink. Jenna Coleman and Peter Capaldi were a great duo. I'll be even more upset if Missy is gone too because Michelle Gomez was firing on all cylinders.
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Nov 10, 2014
Hell, I think they threw in some extra cylinders for her to fire on because she was running on jet fuel!
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Nov 10, 2014
Did anyone notice that when Missy used that "smart phone" to kill, she pointed the FACE of it at the victim. But, when the Doctor was about to use it to kill Missy, he pointed it like he does the Sonic Screwdriver.

Guess he's lucky the Brigadier beat him to it or he may have disintigrated his own thumb!
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Nov 10, 2014
Did anyone else notice the Master's disintegration was blue like the teleport, rather than red, like all the other disintegration? Was I just imagining that or is there a chance we'll see her again?
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Nov 10, 2014
That was because it wasn't a disintegration from the hand held device. It was a laser blast from the Cyberman that was Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart. Its easy to miss but there is a blue streak that come from off screen right. But according to Moffit the Master will still be back. The master always has a way of finding his way back.
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Nov 10, 2014
Yeh, people need to watch the scene again.

The blast didn't come from the Doctor, it came from elsewhere. Then they turn around and see a rogue Cyberman fired and it's implied it was Lethbridge-Stewart helping The Doctor one last time.
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Nov 10, 2014
I did notice the different color, but did not register the significance. Does the blue mean something? Or, just that it wasn't the standard red?
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Nov 10, 2014
I forget the tech term the show used, but I was under the impression that it was from a wrist teleporter, like the one used by River Song. (i.e. The Master escaped.)


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Nov 10, 2014
Well, if she escaped by teleporter, the show sure went to great lengths to make us think she'd been killed by the Brigadier/Mechanical Man.
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Nov 10, 2014
Moffat's done that before with a villain, not just here.

"Miss me?"


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Nov 10, 2014
I noticed exactly that.
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Nov 10, 2014
She'll be back. I have no doubt at all.
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Nov 09, 2014
I really enjoyed the season, i've been watching since 2005 and Capaldi is my favorite Doctor i must say. Weird thing this episode was the most boring of the season IMO. Clara gone is the best thing that comes out of this... but Cyberman just dosen't do it for me.. slow stupid robots... nothing impressive...
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Nov 09, 2014
I got a kick out of Clara telling Danny/Cyberman that the Doctor is the one man she would never lie to. And, then turns around and lies to him about Danny making it back.

Of course, we know that Clara lied to the Doctor several times, this season, so this was all just a rant against a cyberman about to kill her.

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Nov 09, 2014
-- " I'm not completely sold on the "love is a promise" of it all and Danny's ability to not only not harm Clara, but to take control of the entire army of the dead to save the land of the living?

Maybe you missed something. Yes, Danny's love transcended the emotion inhibitor, but that's not how he took control of the army. The Doctor tossed him the bracelet and THAT's what controlled the army.

That said, the motivational speech seemed rather unnessary, since they cybermen apparently had no choice but obey.
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Nov 10, 2014
I didn't miss the bracelet. I just meant in general that Danny was still Danny enough to DO that.
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Nov 10, 2014
Gotcha.
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Nov 09, 2014
I thought Danny was going to order the Cybermen to activate their emotions and then the dead ones would choose to sacrifice themselves for the living. But I guess the speech was more for the Master benefit.
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Nov 11, 2014
Your version would have been better. You're a better writer than Moffat.
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Nov 11, 2014
Not really, but thanks :-)
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Nov 09, 2014
Well now that the season finale has been aired, the only thing that needs to be done is to delete the entire season and forget that it happened at all. Watching the season this year, I was trying to figure out why I didn't like the season. I didn't know if it was because of the new doctor, because of Clara, or the writers of the show. Near the end of the season I now think that when there were scenes that was just the doctor I seemed to enjoy the show more. Clara was a great companion when she was with Matt Smith. They had a great relationship, but I felt that when Peter Capaldi took over, he and clara just didn't jive. I own every episode that is possible to buy, going back to the original doctor (William Hartnell) right through until now, but I'm not gonna be in any hurry to get this season. I'd get it just to have the series.
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Nov 09, 2014
....How can you still try and call yourself a reviewer? This isn't the end of Clara's time in the TARDIS at all. They both just lied to each other about their happy endings, and Santa Claus even said they had unfinished business. How anyone would be dumb enough to think this was Clara's send off episode, or that she is close to winding down yet with so much unexplored territory in her "turning into the Doctor" storyline is beyond me.

The only conclusions I can come to is that Kaitlin gets all her opinions from the comments section in order to be more liked or she has the attention span of a fruit fly.

Clearly either I or Jenna Coleman needs to take over Kaitlin's spot on this website.
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Nov 09, 2014

Don't flame the messenger, BUT: It has been widely reported that Jenna Louise Coleman was leaving Doctor Who in what sources call a “sensational Christmas Storyline” that is "one last adventure" for The Doctor and Clara.

Yeah I know; the departure of a companion is often as sad as the departure of The Doctor sometimes though every source online is saying, yes, the holiday episode is the end of Clara's storyline.

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Nov 10, 2014

Still extremely skeptical of this.

Sounds like a bunch of sources that do not know what they are talking about.

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Nov 09, 2014
Might want to give that section another read, she said her time is coming to an end, not that this was her last appearance. There was talk way before this season even ended that Clara would be leaving the show soon, if not at the end of the special than probably at the halfway point of next season.
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Nov 09, 2014
Clara will be around until series 10 at the very least. Stop white knighting around Wally and get serious.
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Nov 10, 2014
There have been enough rumors about this for it to be considered likely at this point, especially with how many times the shows plot has shown us that Clara wants to say goodbye to the Doctor's lifestyle. Thinking that Clara would be around into season 10 is just silly, as that would be longer than the Ponds, who were much more embraced by the fanbase.
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Dec 07, 2014
I miss the Ponds. :(
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Nov 11, 2014
Everybody loves Clara. Without Danny her double life does not exist and she will continue that lifestyle. Popularity also has nothing to do with the length that companions last, if they were ready to dispose of Clara they wouldn't be giving her so much content. She had a hard journey accepting the new Doctor this season and now that they are making progress it would not make sense for Clara to abandon the Doctor, especially when she learns he never found Gallifrey.
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Nov 09, 2014
At least this ending sort of made sense... the Doctor Who finale I LOATHED with a passion was the season 3 ending with the Master and Care Bear logic defeating him. (Everyone in the entire world screams "Doctor" at the same time and 10 becomes God, wiping out the last year in one wave of his hand.) The ending to this was a little forced, but at least it was foreshadowed.
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Nov 09, 2014
That one always comes back to me when someone complain about finale :D
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Nov 10, 2014
Well they made the Simm's Master TOO perfect and had the Doctor TOTALLY beat, forcing the biggest asspull ending in the history of Doctor Who with NO foreshadowing. God-mode Rose was foreshadowed with Bad Wolf in every episode, as was Meta-Crisis Doctor and Doctor-Donna. But with the season 3 finale it was like the writers spent all year building the Master and making sure he learned from his mistakes that they completely forgot to give the Doctor a way to beat him. So... Care Bear Logic!
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Nov 09, 2014
i will admit, the killing off of Osgood made me very upset, really liked her, plus she was cute as hell....so, all season for the mistress, and they just kill her off just like that? what a let down, she was great tho, but i feel it was a disappointment on how they ended her so fast after all that antisapation
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Nov 10, 2014
I`m really sad about it too! Especially since she was my number one choice for a next potential companion.
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Nov 10, 2014
Journey Blue was mine; however, now that I think about it, Journey and Osgood might make a great companion team, maybe with a recurring new male companion from time to time for balance.

But I'm old school, and I like Doctor Who as a buddy show and less of a romantic interests show. And sadly, as it is currently written, the show seems incapable of supporting even one of those characters as companion.
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Nov 10, 2014
Maybe Osgood wasn't Osgood. She could have been the Zygon duplicate.
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Nov 09, 2014
Soooo, you were hoping for a long, drawn out Torture scene? Not satisfied with a quick death for the Master?
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Nov 09, 2014
I agree with Osgood, seemed like an odd choice to remove her since she definitely had potential as a returning character. As for the death of the Mistress...how many times has she "died" before? For better or worse, Dr. Who tends to never get rid of the old iconic villains, they just at most get shelved for awhile.
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Nov 09, 2014
But I want the master back played by this actress - she was great! I assumed if she comes back again she'll have a new body, which would be a shame.
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Nov 09, 2014
Just to clarify, Missy (The Master) did not die in this episode. If you have it recorded and go back and look, I'm pretty sure that after the doctor tells her that she won, and she replied "I Know", what we saw was the same blue haze from her teleporter that we saw her use to escape from the plane. Her Disintegrator always resulted in a brief red and fiery flash, not a blue flash. She just needed the Doctor a little off-guard to use it.
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Nov 10, 2014
Wrong the brigadeer cyber man shot her, watch it again
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Nov 09, 2014
Osgood will be missed. Has no one asked how Danny's descendant will come to exist, surely they will need to tie that up next ep? Is Clara pregnant or will Danny be saved. Missy is great, will be good to see her back next year hopefully.
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Nov 09, 2014
A very bad move, perhaps an impeachable offense, would be to treat the Christmas Special as the actual season finale, full of goodbyes, sadness and mop-ups of the mess left at the end of season that just ended. No matter how many Santas they put in it.
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Nov 09, 2014
This whole season has been up and down, but the overall feeling I have at the end of it is disappointment at how the writers handled the Doctor, Clara and Danny relationships. I started the season Loving Clara and hoping I'd like the new Doctor, but by the end they were all so unpleasant to each other that I didn't really feel the supposed forgiveness and nice vibes. I kinda just want the Clara thing to end so they cant start a clean slate with a new companion. The writers just need to stay the hell away from romantic story lines - and I was a big fan of the Tenant era.
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Nov 09, 2014
«and also kind of made me wish for a Master-centered spin-off?» I was saying the same thing while watching the episode lol I'd watch it for sure :P
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Nov 09, 2014
Kaitlin, the Doctor didn't find Gallifrey. He was lying to Clara so she could be happy with Danny. And she was lying to him so he could be happy in Gallifrey. So, they lied each other because they don't want to hurt the other.
Again, I am so sad about Osgood.
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Nov 09, 2014
So she edited the review :-)
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Nov 09, 2014
I caught that as well. Sloppy Kaitlin, very sloppy. She still needs to edit the top though too, her credibility will only keep slipping and slipping as time goes on.
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Nov 09, 2014
Think she's only losing credibility with you and your one man Kaitlin hate club.
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Nov 09, 2014
To be honest, I just think it was a mistake and she fixed it, no big deal. Nobody's perfect.
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Nov 09, 2014
Oh man, that's got to be the most ping-pong review to date. It's all over the map. I suppose reviews don't need to be linear, but this seems like a lot of praise for the things you liked mainly, like a top ten list.

"but the Doctor has found Gallifrey, which is a storyline loaded with promise and something I'm very much looking forward to exploring next season."
- What? No he hasn't found Gallifrey, how did you misunderstand his tantrum upon opening the door to empty space?

So, we're not going to talk about the nonsense of Missy picking Clara to be The Doctor's companion and keeping them together for the nonsensical reason of Clara being a control freak? That shallow, shabby, tacked-on retcon of an answer just passes right through your review with comment?

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Nov 09, 2014
I totally agree with you. But getting to like DW comes at the price of ignoring and forgiving many of its flaws.

I am ready to forgive boring villains of the week, bad sets, time continuity paradoxes and mumbo jumbo, as well as occasional limited cheesiness.
I choose to focus on character development, quality of the plot, and acting (and for the first 2 ones, this season just makes me wish I could erase it from my memory. It did not match my expectations at all).

We all decide to go for different things in this show, and maybe that is why the fanbase is almost ready to fight in the comments, or to try to explain why THIS episode really sucked while others see a masterpiece (but let's be honest, the moon/egg episode was terrible and people who liked it have no taste).

So I do understand Kaitlin not reviewing every line of the episode and being happy with what she was expecting from the show (and after reading her reviews every week, I actually thought about her when the Mistress talked about Gallifrey. I could not care less myself, as I do not think they will ever create some real history and mythology, but I was happy for Kaitlin anyway).
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Nov 10, 2014
Let me address the review issue first, I don't expect Kaitlin to touch on everything, but I'm used to her reviews covering ground in a more linear fashion and not cherry-picking the aspects she liked so much without a counterpoint.

As for liking DW means ignoring and forgiving flaws, there are some which come with the territory like wooden sets and time travel not being terribly useful to any particular plot; but then there are some like last-minute cheats and deus ex machinas that seem to come from Moffat specifically. Character development and overall plot should be vital, that's why the only episode I liked this whole season was Mummy on the Orient Express, an episode many call terrible.

I'm not really interested in fighting over these things, everybody has a right to express THEIR opinions and converse about them, but the idea that one side can't feel the way they do - either side - unless it's taken as a slight, that seems to be a big problem lately. Kaitlin liked Kill the Moon if I remember correctly, she's wrong but she's entitled to be wrong, I guess. I may see that sort of blind fanism as enabling a bad regime to make more episodes, but I don't want to deny her or anyone of that, although I am utterly fascinated by how they could get there.
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Nov 09, 2014
I don't think I've ever seen a series create such decisive opinion.

Personally I loved series 8 and it seems that everything I loved about it are the exact things that people hated about it.

I loved the relationship between Clara and the Doctor. I think Capaldi and Coleman are so well matched and their relationship was well written and believable. The whole series was about the Doctor trying to figure out who he was and Clara trying to reconcile the Doctor she knew before with this new one.

Lying played a big part throughout the series. The Doctor's ease at lying, Clara's problem with it and her slowly coming to understand how sometimes it's necessary and maybe even stepping over the line a few times herself. So it was fitting that it ended on them both lying in an attempt to do right by the other but actually making things worse for themselves.

I could go on for hours about why I loved this series, why I loved Capaldi's Doctor, why I loved Clara and how I think Jenna Coleman is brilliant but I won't. I'll just say I loved this series and it's made me a proper fan of Doctor Who in a way I never was before.
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Nov 09, 2014
Damn it! I meant divisive, not decisive!
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Nov 09, 2014
Sack Moffat, new blood required to rectify this disrespectful cockup to the plot the character and the long term fans

Appailing ending
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Nov 09, 2014
Ummmm. Nope. It missed the mark and I don't even think it hit the outside of the target.

This whole season there has been something missing. Initially I thought it was a bad choice in Capaldi, but it really isn't. It was the writing. And the great case in point is Clara. And the stark, horrifying contrast between who Clara was in the beginning of this season and who Clara was at the end of the season. I mean it is like they were two drastic and intensionally different characters. Ending with just such a selfish character. I mean holy crap the world is about to blow up and all you care about is yourself and your situation. Missy was right, she picked a good one for the Doctor because she dragged her down.

Again, half of the episode fell flat for me because I still don't care about Danny or Clara's relationship. It was too fast and there wasn't a sense for the characters and then to have half of your finale dealing with their personal crap and the over dramatized emotional mess that it all was. For crying out loud it was bad, just bad. His speech to and about the Doctor fell flat because they were potentially dealing with the end of the world. My goodness the sanctimony of the moment was layered so thick that it overwhelmed the rest of the episode.

And the reason for it. The reason for it all. This season's Doctor has been the most inactive of the bunch. Now I am not talking about the charm of Tennant or the mania of Smith's. I am talking about the absolutely do nothing Doctor of this season. He did nothing this season, no real using of the Screwdriver, and no real pushing of a solution. It just kind of happened and he was there. Now initially I put this on Capaldi, but it is the writers and show runners. Capaldi is an actor and a very good one and the writers gave him nothing to work with. It was just bad the whole season. They had some great premises that I can't help but think would have been done better in a previous season.

And the Master. I have to say that Missy was the best of the episode and if it wasn't for my curiosity of what she was going to say or do I would have turned it off 3/4s of the way in on it. But then as quickly as they brought her back, they dismissed her. No big deal. Whatever. She was there and then not. La di da.

Overal I didn't care for the season. It had its moments but really the last couple of episodes erased any goodwill that the season had.

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Nov 16, 2014
I agree completely Clara and Danny relationship made no sense. Some of Clara's development this was good - revealing the inner strength that she has had along (shown in Asylum of the Daleks and Nightmare in Silver) if one looked ) was good, but the annoying/selfish characteristic that had not been there before was bad.
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Nov 09, 2014
I agree with you about Clara and Danny. But, I disagree about Clara's character development.

In fact, I dislike it when a character is relatively the same at the end of a season as they were in the beginning.

So, while I did not care for or buy into Clara's relationship with Danny, I thought her reactions and attitudes about it were totally legit.
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Nov 17, 2014
Going for the strong character that she was to someone that I beleive was hugging a robot for 15 minutes during the most tense part of the episode is just something that I can abide for any character development. It just didn't make a lot of sense and I feel that her character devolved over the last 3 episodes.
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Nov 09, 2014
This image reminds me a lot of a Luis Royo painting


Like this one




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Nov 09, 2014
ps his paintings are generally NSFW
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Nov 09, 2014
Yep, that was the finale of this season, alright.

A lot of people below basically got it right. It was full of cool moments, most of which felt almost entirely unearned. By being a two parter it at least had some room to breathe, and I like how close they came to my prediction of Danny as the next Handles, so it wasn't all bad. That said, it really wasn't all good. The show still fails to have a plot. It has two modes: characters standing still and telling each other what the episode is supposed to be about and deus ex machina.

Jamie Mathieson's episodes this season were the high point of what was otherwise largely a waste of magnificent talent. Michelle Gomez is one of the better Masters, and I really hope she comes back to the role later (don't even need to acknowledge the vaporization thing, it's the Master after all). Capaldi is actually kinda overqualified for this thing and Coleman really held her own against him. Sam Anderson didn't quite fare as well, but that was probably due to what he had to work with.

And the mixed feelings apply to the ending, too. I mean, I got what the scene was about. I even kind of got that it was shot on location. It gave it this weird indie rom-com break-up scene vibe. Some reality for a very dream-like episode, season and show. But it wasn't... good. It was wheel-spinning for the core relationship in the show. It didn't tell us what Clara's grieving for Danny's like, or what the Doctor is contemplating to do. And even if it had done, there's that stinger at the end which is ostensibly to set up the Christmas special... but actually is just saying "hey, this is a fake-out, we are going to show you how the season REALLY ends later". That's not the most gratifying resolution, really, much as I enjoy the idea of Nick Frost doing weird Santa.

Overall, I don't want more of this in the future. I think it's time for Moffat to step off while the bad bits aren't outright embarrassing and to see what fresh blood can do with the concept. The Doctor changes, and so does the show. We had an off year before, which resulted in an... acceptable showrunner "regeneration". Let's do that again.
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Nov 16, 2014
I agree that Coleman did hold her own, indeed.
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