FTW vs. WTF: The TV Week in Review (June 29)

America took a step toward equality this week when the Supreme Court (the best of all courts!) squashed some legalese aimed at witholding basic legal rights from same-sex couples. We don't want to brag, but here at TV.com we've been practicing equality for about 600 years. The software engineer who wears a parrot on his shoulder has just as much access to Post-It Notes as the data processor with the glass eye. Our pigeon-toed intern with the big nose? We let him park his 1986 Accord in the parking lot with the grown-ups once a month! And one time Tim actually let an assistant editor ride in the elevator with him (but she wasn't allowed to look him in the eye). But where we really straddle both sides of the line with regard to glorious acceptance is in this weekly column, where we bring attention not just to the things we liked on television, but also the stuff we hated. We even went one step further and let a FTW marry a WTF once, and they had a baby. That baby? Mario Lopez. Anyway, let's hear it for appreciating everyone being themselves and not making a big deal out of it in another edition of FTW vs. WTF!




This Shark Week ad

Snuffy got snuffed.



If TV recappers wrote obituaries...

HappyPlace.com wrote a few obituaries in the style of television recaps, and they're pretty accurate. Because come on, the "Laraine's dying husband" story has been WAY overdone.



The Daily Show's Al Madrigal misinterprets some Prop 8 news

Comedy Central's nightly "news" program responded to the Supreme Court's decision the only way it knew how: by putting its correspondents in jean shorts and cod pieces.



The Onion takes USA Network to task

Here's one for the funny-because-it's-true-but-also-kind-of-painful files: This week, The Onion's fake (yet disturbingly accurate) entertainment show Starfix poked fun at USA Network's seemingly interchangeable programming roster, and while shows like Burn Affair and Covert Notice might be josh-offs, we'd definitely DVR Suit Pains, about "main character Jason Suits" who "used to be a doctor, now he's a tailor pretending to be a doctor," and "every episode takes place during Mardi Gras."



Ken Marino and Tim Heidecker are joining Eastbound & Down

Don't you love it when great comedies make great casting decisions? In the HBO series' final season, Marino (Children's Hospital, Burning Love) will play "Guy Young, a middle-aged athlete who's still living the high life and partying it up every weekend," and Heidecker (Tim & Eric) will appear as "Gene, a vanilla guy in Kenny's neighborhood. He has nothing in common with Kenny and lacks even a basic sense of humor." Sounds like Marino will be tempting blonde-headed Powers away from the normal life, and Heidecker will be drawing on his excellent deadpan chops to be the face of boring suburbia. We're so in.



Mad Men's Season 6 finale was weird and wonderful

It totally cost Sterling Cooper & Partners the Hershey account and it may have cost Don his job, but the line of lies that separated Don Draper from Dick Whitman blurred when Don ditched a heartwarming (and completely bullshit) anecdote about his father buying him a candy bar for a more accurate tale from his youth. It was a big (huge even!) step for Don—even if his timing was terrible. Also: Sally got drunk, Ted banged Peggy and moved to California to get away from her, Peggy took Don's corner office, and Pete's elderly mom was eaten by sharks. EATEN BY SHARKS.



David Bowie might be on Hannibal?! Be still our hearts

This potential casting is still in the earliest possible of stages, but Hannibal showrunner Bryan Fuller has made overtures to David Bowie's people to have him guest in Season 2 as Hannibal's uncle. So, you know, not only would Bowie be on our TVs, but he'd be in scenes with Mads Mikkelsen. We're not entirely sure that television could survive that much awesome.



Veep closes out a very funny second term

It's not getting much chatter, but HBO's comedy was consistently laugh-out-loud funny all season long. And in the Season 2 finale, with the fate of Selina's party looking equally bleak, the show took a brilliant turn, teasing a presidential reveal and delivering on Selina running for her boss's job. Season 3 on the campaign trail? Count us in, especially if Jonah can tag along.



True Blood calls out Sookie's work ethic, lets Eric give The Americans a run for its money

Someone finally told Sookie to get her apron on and cover a shift at Merlotte's. Well done, Arlene! And Eric's dork disguise was a series highlight.



The X-Files is reuniting at Comic-Con

We can't believe it's already been 20 years since The X-Files began, but the anniversary reunion panel at this year's Comic-Con is bound to be a massive highlight. (It might also drag on for a little too long and drop important threads midway through, but hey, we're excited anyway!) 





Devious Maids has some potential, but is it just trading on stereotypes?

The premiere of the new Lifetime series from Marc Cherry (Desperate Housewives) and Eva Longoria—and adapted from the telenovella Ellas son la Alegría del Hogar—was delightfully soapy, with Susan Lucci (!!!) crying underneath a bed and the Rosie character sabotaging her self-absorbed employer's interview by claiming that the woman's neglected baby called her "mama." But the show has come under fire for its racial stereotypes of Latina maids, with both critics and civil rights groups condemning it. From a premise standpoint, the series' detractors do have a point, but we're still interested in seeing if/how the show might break the mold.





Ovation picks up Smash reruns

Can't we just just let this dead show lie? (Though admittedly we're not sure we could find Ovation in our cable listings, even if we tried.)



More alien baby nonsense on Falling Skies

We wonder how many violations of the Hippocratic Oath Anne participated in to sneak her monster offspring out of Charleston and... right into the hands of the aliens. Haha. Serves her right.



ABC's Whodunnit doesn't have a clue

We won't lie: The idea of a murder mystery reality show had us kind of excited. People running around a mansion to solve a fake murder? Sure, why not? Sadly, Whodunnit is an awkward mishmash of that neat idea and contestants who have to pretend like they're solving actual murders instead of participating in a really elaborate bit of dinner theater. "What kind of house has its own morgue?!" one contestant wondered. One on a reality TV show, doofus. Another WTF: Some dimmer viewers actually thought the murders were real.



Paula Deen's... apology?

Um, this pretty much speaks for itself.



Alec Baldwin jumps into the celebrity controversy fray (again)

It's another story with lots of different variables, but one thing is certain: Crazy Twitter rants full of gay slurs don't help anything.



R.I.P., Gary David Goldberg and Richard Matheson

We just lost James Gandolifini, and now the creator of Family Ties and the seminal science-fiction author who penned some of The Twilight Zone's most classic episodes? Too many all at once!



Awkward. loses its showrunner

Despite some creative bumps and missteps in the first half of Awkward.'s extra-large third season, it's difficult to imagine the show without creator Lauren Iungerich. Unfortunately, that's where we're headed: Iungerich is departing the show after the second half of Season 3, leaving MTV's centerpiece series without its creative force. How... awkward.



Happy Endings is dead for real


It's not like we didn't see this coming, but we're bummed nonetheless.


What's on YOUR list of TV loves and hates this week?

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MAJOR WTF: Happy Endings is gone. Screw networks. Fans should start a kickstarter for a 4th season. If Veronica Mars can get a movie. I think we can get another season.
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WTF: "Zach Stone is gonna be famous" got canned. I saw it coming, but it still stung like a mutha****
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WTF: Happy Endings was da' bomb_
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Calling the big WTF for next week: Big Brother 15 live feeds.

I'll be shock is CBS actually allows all the racism, homophobia and overall bigotry to be shown on air, but, if they do... good for them.
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SHARK WEEK FTW. YEAH.
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How about a loose seal?
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I realize by writing this I will be mocked and/or belittled, but I am long time user of this site (back when it was tvtome) and I come for news of tv shows not politics. Just remember that not everyone agrees with your ideas.
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Sharks scare the sh*% out of me and seals are adorable but that was a pretty funny ad.
I haven't watched the show but I think people need to cool it with the devious maids nonsense- is the show making it look like most Latino women can only be maids or that a lot of maids happen to be Latino women? There is a difference.
And I can no longer comment about Haapy Endings' demise, I haven't the strength (or words) left.
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Happy Endings* ... I can't even spell it right anymore im so distraught
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OMG X-Files reunion!
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RIP Happy Endings. You will be missed :(
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FTW: TV.com!

That's right, TV.com! This isn't a typo and I don't need an edit button to fix it. You've hit the big time now. Once you get an endorsement from me it's all fancy soirees, ostentatious auctions, crazy masked orgies and bizarre Tahitian furnishings for the rest of your internet-life. That's just a fact.

I'm sure most of you are thinking "But why is TV.com receiving your much vaunted and financially rewarding endorsement, FF?" Good question, non-existent naive person! The answer is...

SHOW COMMUNITIES, BABY!

Have you guys checked these out? They're fantastic! You can post reviews (editable reviews!), topics for discussion, quotes, pictures, videos and links, but most amazingly (IMHO), you can create your own polls! I totally went poll happy and created like 5 completely stupid and probably highly inaccessible polls, but it was so much fun!

Criticisms and edit button joking aside, I've always felt TV.com had the greatest commenting system I've ever seen. I know some sites that have RIDICULOUS moderation rules (we take the ability to type "ass", "shit" and "fuck" for granted, guys. It almost brings a tear to my eye), and take from 30 minutes to an hour to actually post your comment if it passes the moderation-nazis. Many sites don't have "thumbs up", the ability to reply to a specific comment, or a messaging system. And the piece de resistance of TV.com's many commenting features is the notification flags you receive when someone replies to, or votes up your comment. I've come to love those little red flags. They're like the modern day equivalent of "you've got mail". It's come to the point when I log onto TV.com and I DON'T have any red notifications flags I get super disappointed. They're just so damn seductive in their mysterious and red-flaggy potentiality! ...

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is TV.com has always felt like a community to me. The writers often interact with us, the editors actually pay attention to our bitching, and I say this in all honesty and sincerity, the level of intelligent discourse created by the commenters alone is unrivalled on any other TV/Movie/Gaming site I've visited. TV.com has built this cozy yet comprehensive house for us, but you guys make it a home.

And now with the addition of show communities, the ways in which we can interact, share and create our own content has exponentially increased. The best site on the internet just got better. Take a bow all you editors, writers, moderators, programmers and everyone who contributed to the new community feature. It's truly awesome.

Now my fellow TVdotcomians, go make a stupid poll, write a review, list a quote, upload a funny or disgusting video/picture.

Join the community.
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haha! I have the same.. Having no red flags mean that nobody likes me! I needddd people to like what I say!! most people in daily life don't get it but I have a tv.com(munity) to back me up! or at least have good discussions with me. Sometimes tho the red flags pile up and I see them all at once - ahhh the validation of my words! It is stronger than you would think. I feel so empowered! YUSH NOW FOLLOW ME EVERYB.. imma stop now.
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This! All of it!

The way I see it, TV.com has been separated into two distinct sections: the forums and the main articles. I used to post on the forums a lot, and sometimes still do, but after a while, I discovered the much greater (IMO) community of people in the main news articles, and never really looked back (despite occasionally posting on a couple forums now and then). But these new communities kind of bridge the gap between the two different sections. It's like a more complex (and more fun) version of the forums, while getting the attention of the great members that comment on the main news articles.

I have only made a few posts on the Breaking Bad community, plus I joined the Sherlock community without really contributing anything yet, but I am already in love with this feature. I can't wait to see more shows get their own communities in the future. TV.com certainly isn't perfect. It has its glitches and improvements it could make, but the idea of these communities does a lot to make a great site that much better.
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I hear you. I've visited the forums you speak of and they depressed the hell out of me. They were like the barren wastelands on the way to Mordor, but with less spunk.

And once I found the awesome commentary on the reviews, I also never looked back. But I do love these new communities. They're way prettier, easier to access, and there are dedicated staff members that seem to be responsible for upkeep and such. I'm already a member of several communities and am waiting with bated breath for the Community community (Troy quotes!).

Now if you'll excuse, I'm off to make another inane poll.
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"They were like the barren wastelands on the way to Mordor, but with less spunk." - what version of LOTR were you watching, i dont remember any paths covered in spunk in the one's i watched.

Probably a collectors edition
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A Community community would be the greatest community ever!
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Agree completely. I'm glad there is no "your comment is awaiting to be approved by the moderator" or something along those lines you see on other sites.
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I think it's kind of magical that TV.com doesn't need moderator approvals. The comments here are pretty good about disagreeing without resorting to racial slurs or calling everyone Hitler. Yay team!
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only Hitler would make a comment like this!

You damn *insert Printout from The Paula-Deen-Slur-Generator-Here"!!!
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I hate that "awaiting approval" crap! Fuck that shit! ... Sorry. I just wanted to see if that would be censored. TV.com is great.
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I just checked them out and they are great!! I love the polls~~not poles~I'm just trying to ward off the trolls...yes, you know who you are;-)
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I love the polls
~~not poles~
I'm just trying to ward off the trolls.

ooooh.........poetry
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actually some poles....now I'm all confused
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@Vicky8675309

You love polish sausage = dirty minx
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@FF I love polish people and polish sausage;-) lol
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Wait, are you saying you have a problem with Polish people? Bigots! ;)
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stripper poles...yay
gotta make that money
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As hard a time as I give this site it's still one of the better around as far as ease of access and creating lists, etc. My critiques are out of love. Well except for those about some of the reviewers, because theyre horrible. All in all though its a great community with a great range of knowledge/interests.
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Which reviewers do you have a problem with? I've had a few spats with Cory Barker over his opinion of the 4th season of Community (he actually liked most of it, which made me lose respect for him, because it was AWFUL), but other than that they're all pretty good. Tim Surette and MaryAnn are my favs.
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Im not a fan of their opinions on new shows, 'should I watch this' etc.I guess thats usually Tim? I dont think hes very open minded about shows and usually thumbs up stuff thats crap and rags on stuff that is new or 'different'. I do enjoy MaryAnn though! I wish the writers would venture into their own comment threads more often. Kudos to Cory for dong this quite often.
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did he every reply to the question of reviewing season 2 of Banshee? I can't remember...the wrap up article of season 1 Banshee implied it but didn't come right out an say it. He is usually pretty good at responding--most are except Tim but I think he writes 95% of the article so it may be question of time (being busy).

Mark the date: I defended Tim (kind of)...lol! He like POI so I'm more lenient (even though I go on Tim rants;-)...just imagine if he didn't like POI or Justified!
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I don't know if Tim will EVER be able to live his 'should I watch this' article on Banshee. I love his writing style, but that was almost unforgivable.
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I know you asked KW but for me it's Tim and Cory. I don't "hate" them but they sometimes irritate me.

If Tim puts in the occasional pot-stirring sentence on purpose to generate comments then I am fine with that and if it is for humor then I'm fine with it (but it often doesn't come off as intentionally funny so I question whether or not it is meant to be serious or not). I was annoyed that he didn't fix his error in the "should I watch Ray Donovan" article but maybe he was to busy to read comments since he writes almost all the articles on this site so he may be very busy.

No comment on the other but he writes well whether or not I agree with it but....boils down to loss of respect

MaryAnn is AWESOME (yay, girl power) as is Andy & Price. I haven't read much of the others but Lily reminds me of Price so I like her. Noel seems great--good Arrow articles even if I don't always agree (I'm pretty harsh on Arrow) and excellent Hannibal articles--superb.
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@FF "subversive sense of humour" ~ I'm surprised he didn't like Legit more.
I have to give him credit for liking awesome shows like POI, Justified, and Orphan Black...there are more I am sure but that's what comes to mind first
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Fair enough. As a guy with a fairly subversive sense of humour his writing style appeals to me, but I understand your irritation.

And I think EVERYONE loves MaryAnn!
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regardless of what I wrote above, I think they are all good writers and I read their articles. We all have different personalities and some just gel better with some then others. Some will sometimes annoy me and others will make me laugh and others make me think...it's a good mix.
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My critiques are out of love = Tough love
like what you give your alcoholic brother
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I give him wine coolers
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Why is Alec Baldwin so immune to controversy, no matter what crazy, mean or insulting thing he says? If Paula Deen had made that tweet, on a foundation account no less, she'd be burned at the stake in ten minutes.
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Because he is a man. Look at Chris Brown.
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I'm a huge fan of Suits. I've got all the episodes on Itunes, but I have to admit: I kept calling Mike "Neil" and Harvey "Peter" until the 8th episode of season 1, pretty much because their relationship was near identical to White Collar's main characters. Season 2 did better in setting them apart (Especially the second half, where Harvey becomes so obsessed with becoming managing partner he ruins his chance to get his name on the door) but really, season one was basically the lawyer version of White Collar... complete with annoying balding guy! (who, admittedly, became my favorite character in season 2)

Jon Oliver is doing excellent on the Daily Show. He's just as funny as Stewart, maybe even a little funnier because he's aware he's only temporary and that some jokes can only be done by Stewart (like the Goodfellas montage during the Jimmy Hoffa search.) I also loved the episode where Mick Foley appears and the two trash talk WWE while politely inviting them over to talk about the political climate of America. Hilarious.
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COMPLETELY OT COMMENT SO SKIP IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR REAL COMMENTS ABOUT TV SHOWS THIS WEEK

FTW: netflix (I'm watch BSG for the first time (on netflix)...so for me FTW: BSG)

FTW for user comments are as follows (in random order):

a. my favorite comment/statement on this article (that I edited to include the apostrophes and crap like that...which is why we wanted an edit option):
KiowaWoolley to Safibwana:
"And hahahahha hire you?!?! You're already disqualified for providing reasonable responses. Actually you're already disqualified for responding to us. These people can't be bothered to mingle with the natives."
sad but true

b. Best response to calm someone who seems extra bitchy/grumpy (lol) goes to ben45tpy
for the appropriate Monty Python quote at the perfect time

c. Best logical explanation comment: safibwana

d. Best person to be in charge of show selection: KiowaWoolley (yay Texas!)

e. Most consistently funny comments: Grumpyclown

f. Craziest mo fo*: Kerkesh (for the use of aardvark, "Aaaaaaaaaarggghhhhh", and I think he is actually reincarnated from a parallel universe)
*had to exclude myself;-)

and THE BIGGEST FTW is to everyone who commented here on this fairly boring week of tv!!
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Worst week of tv of the year so far. So bad that I started watching Kung Fu - The LEgend Continues Season 1 from start to end just for nostalgia value. Man that show was horrible and awesome at the same time.

At least theres still MasterChef Australia, Under the Dome and Longmire.
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I'm running through The Sopranos for the first time out of respect for James Gandolfini and haven't watched any regular TV this week. More importantly... this is your first time watching BSG or just on Netflix? I feel so sorry for you that you're just now watching it and I run through BSG every few months haha. So say we all.
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frek! No be happy for me! BSG is totally new for me and so fabulous! I'm just starting season 3 and absolutely love the show!!

The Sopranos is great. I watched it a few months ago for the first time and really liked it.

Regarding BSG I started with the miniseries (2 episodes and then started watching the 4 season more modern one--not the 80s version). It is soooooo good;-)
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Frakkin' A you got a point
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FTW: Jimmy's song on The Goodwin Games
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Beach Law sounds awesome!
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Yeah.... you could have just slid Devious Maids right into that WTF column.
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so happy about eastbound and down casting news! love both marino and heidecker (and eastbound) so much
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FTW: Hal Sparks and Jackie Shectner filling in on "The Stephanie Miller Show" because Sparks is a better listener than Stephanie Miller and, perhaps more importantly, can actually speak intelligently as opposed to merely repeating something from the last article he read. WTF: The Progressive rate-sucker ad. "Your friend's a rate-sucker; put a bug on your car so we can see what you're doing." If I put my face in a rat cage, can I get an even bigger discount on my car insurance rates?; Texas' BS filibuster rules. Can't sit. Can't lean. Can't go off-topic. Three points of order and you're out. Those rules sound more like a game show than a legislature. Maybe we should consider giving Texas back to Mexico.
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I've lost total respect for Alec Baldwin, and his lame attempt at an apology was even worse than Dean's. It's a shame, because he can be an amazing actor -- but no acting his way out of what he said.
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FTW: The return of Perception and The X-files birthday
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Paula Deen (whom I'm not defending) gets whacked for things that ostensibly happened long ago, while Alec Baldwin gets yet another pass from Hollywood, the media and even GLAAD for another in his *ongoing* series of racial and gay slurs. To me, that has WTF written all over it. I think those folks won't give him the condemnation he's earned simply because they generally consider him to be "on their side."

It's a variant of the classic case of "our six is good, your half dozen is bad."
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Eastbound and Down, Hannibal and VEEP all FTW!!! Ken and Tim on E&D well be amazing, but I don't like Eric not being with Tim. Bowie on Hannibal NEEDS to happen please and thank you. VEEP kept amazing me all season, hope this is the year it gets recognized.
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"Ma'am, the president has left the building."
"Who gives a flying f*ck?"

Best wrap-up ever.
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USA network is my favorite! In Plain Sight, Fairly Legal, Suits, White Collar, Covert Affairs, and now Graceland are some of (well, most of) my favorite shows.
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Ohhhhhhhhhh Paula Deen is being fired because of racial accusations. I thought America was just sick of deep fried whatevertheheck and realized that she has always been a joke...

Kidding aside, my tears will stain my soul because I no longer have Happy Endings in my life!
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The Daily Show, Mad Men, True Blood and The X-Files are all good FTWs this week and I would add:

FTW: The return of Copper. This was one of 2012's best new shows, I love it and yet it's largely ignored on this site.

FTW: Under the Dome. It's not outstanding but it's already done great things for the tv off season.

FTW: The new Community pages on the site, they are awesome, I hope more shows get them.
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Yay Copper! It should get a FTW just for its intro/theme itself.
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Zach Stone's cancellation should be in the WTF category, I think we all knew from the get go that it wouldn't last because MTV was doing absolutely nothing to promote it, I didn't even know about it until I saw it in one "What Are You Watching Tonight" on this very website and it was a couple weeks in at that point. It was a a good little show but what really gets me is it was never given a fighting chance.
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Whodunnit is ridiculous, dumb, and I'm so glad it exists. The world needs more Mole-esque high concept reality series.
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I think the season finale of Mad Men was on a par with the series finale of Lost
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you should of gave a warning with **********SPOILERS************************
lol;-)
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you mean they were all dead all that time ? yep.I see your point.
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so you loved them both? lol
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i thought everyone did
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I haven't seen it yet, were they all dead the whole time?
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Yes and it was awesome
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When you have to make a show based off a board game, you know television has officially gone to crap
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I could maybe get behind some full contact parcheesi.
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You mean like Clue in 2011?
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The Paula Deen kerfluffle has been entirely overdone. Those who are piling on make me roll my eyes, but I'm glad to see that there are a number of prominent voices, many of them black, saying it's time to move on and admit that none of us has an unblemished past.
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I love that no one seems to be able to agree in how long ago she made these comments. I've read 20 years, 30 years, 27 years, 25 years, etc. Personally, my take is: she did it however long ago, she apologized, faced the consequences of her actions...it's done. Moving on.
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never had a serious problem on this list, but i gotta stick up for Whodunnit here....i actually enjoyed it. is it the best competition show, no it's really not, but i am looking forward to the next episode...
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Reality crap. It's all the same. Had no problem giving this one a pass, but hey, if you like it, there's no accounting for taste. Wear it proudly young man...
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USA network's response to the Onion spoofs wasn't too bad. Hey, they have Suits!
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So bummed :(
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Ya know, I don't watch The Daily Show enough, so thanks for that one FTW. Also FTW was the Onion thing--posted it on my FB page I did. And the Shark Week thing was totally tasteless--we need more politically incorrectness on TV, which brings me to Devious Maids--loved it! And lastly, I'm going to Comic-Con so I'll be a lookin' out for Sculder and Mully...

PS Oh, and David Bowie, JUST DO IT FTW!!!!!
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That Onion's satire on USA is exactly why I don't watch a single show on that network. It's all the same crap. I even gave up on Psych after season 6 because it was spinning its wheels while the episode count rose.
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I agree completely but you missed out on season 7 of Psych, their best ever. all the episodes were good. laugh out loud with some mild drama good. it's a shame it took them so long to get so great.
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I second that! I too thought Psych was getting stale but season 7 was the best season of Psych without a doubt.
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"Office Space" was one of their very best episodes in its entire run.
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Sorry to hear about Gary David Goldberg. Other than that...UGH! Fall premieres can't get here soon enough!
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For some reason, the first thing that pops into my mind in relation to Gary David Goldberg (ahead of Family Ties, no less) is his stint as co-producer of Lou Grant season two. And one of the first episodes of Lou Grant that usually pops into my head is the second-season episode where Joe Penny played a policeman who was gay.
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Please don't mention Bowie in Hannibal again until the deal is done.What are you trying to do, have me a heart attack! Next thing, you'll tell us that Morgan Freeman is joining the cast of Banshee or Orphan Black. No kidding, not until it's done.
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Morgan Freeman IS joining Banshee
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All they had to do was ask...

Now if we could get James Earl Jones to say Michael Weston's spy tips, we'd be in business...
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Aaaaarrghhhh! (that's supposed to be me having a heart attack. If I were feeling one of the fisting brothers it would have been " Aaaarrrrrrrrgh" or changing into aardvark ((like Cerebrus)) it would have been "Aaaaaaaaaarggghhhhh".There.)
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and my dying wish was an edit button.
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'Give me an edit button, or give me death' I believe is how our founding fathers would have put it.. shortly before the site-admins marched them off to the gallows.

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Your last words
"Avenge me.............and an edit button!.....ugh" ;-)
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Say Whaaat??
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have you ever seen one of these pathetic guys on tv taking forever to die ,like Peter Sellers in "The Party" ? well, that's the equivalent in commentland.
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I alrready reincarnated.I know, I was very surprised myself. Or I am a me from a parallel universe.You choose. :)
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When's the funeral?
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WTF: That this sites parrot-shouldered engineer, glass eyed data processor and pigeon-toed intern cannot combine their powers to give us an edit button.
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That's probably not the best way to ask for one.
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you can't say that without offering what you consider a right way to ask for one.
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we stopped being nice months ago;-)
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Now that's a fact...
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I've never had an issue with deleting and reposting, it's a reasonable request but I'm not sure why people are getting so crazy about it.
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that's because you always have perfect spelling and perfect grammar;-)

Whereas I already had to copy/remove/reply/paste/edit this comment, since initially I had "alway" instead of "always"
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Anyways, at least you didn't say anyways ;-)
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now I forgot the "click ok" that comes after "remove" and before the "reply"
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Now that I know that, "This comment has been removed," doesn't mean anyone removed it because it was in bad taste--Thank Fucking God nothing is really in bad taste on this site (sorry, Tim) I can sleep better at night...
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could it be that they don't respond with a reason such as it's not in the budget or maybe because of the great reasons safibwana listed? If they had done so, then I doubt there would be the "cray cray" that your not sure about.

Personally their lack or explanation fuels the fire and maybe that is intentional to generate more comments for business purposes (yes, I'm sometimes suspicious, often cynical and sometimes slightly paranoid at times). I realize they don't "have to explain" themselves but the fact that they don't just makes the situation worse imo.

I'd like an edit button to correct spelling mistakes or for when I leave out one of the parentheses that I frequently do, but safibwana makes a logical argument against an edit option

logic wins in my book but I can't promise not to complain about the lack of an edit button due to it going on so long it's almost become a habit.

you think this is crazy? You haven't seen crazy yet! but it's being saved for something special! LOL, j/k (I think)

What's wrong with peaceful protests? I would of thought that was something you would support (not that that it really matters)....I guess it's because it's not about something you think is important in the grand scheme of things but little things should not slide. If you found the "crazy" comments about it annoying then thank safibwana if they stop--If I stop (most likely will) then it will be due to his reasoning/logic skills
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Damn, we got responses. Now I have no idea what I'll post about all week :-/
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Banshee, Orphan Black, Rectify and tons more to post about getting communities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Those shows need communities imo.
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I'm sure you'll think of something between Banshee and Orphan Black.
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Guys, I (Jen) will jump in here to say it's not that we're not listening, but we've talked about the possibility of an edit button for comments and basically discussed everything safibwana has thoughtfully laid out below. There are so many new cans of worms there that it's unlikely we'll add an edit function for comments, in favor of focusing on different, more exciting things—like the community pages, for example! I'm very sorry that you thought our/my silence meant we weren't listening, and I think it's awesome that you guys are so vocal about what you'd like to see on the site, but it may be time to make peace with the edit button issue...
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@TVcom_editorial. First, thank you for your direct reply which is more appreciated than you can imagine. I was under the impression that the edit button would be like the " remove "button, personal to the commentator and the comment, which is what I believe was in most people's mind. However, it stands to reason that if the edit button is a collective one your points are totally valid.
Speaking for myself, if I am spending more than an hour on this site, it is precisely because I have knewly made friends and I truly love serialized television. But also because I actually care about the site itself. If not, I would have been silently indifferent.. Of course, I myself have been harsh with the site, it is certainly not to hurt your feelings, but because like you, I believe it can be better and getting it better is in communication like now.
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@Kerkesh re: cans of worms, the basic reasoning is that if we allow people to edit comments, they're easy to manipulate. A comment that initially generates lots of likes/thumbs-ups can later be edited to say something offensive or terrible or just generally unpopular. A comment that generates lots of replies can later be edited to the point where none of the replies make sense. And so on. We totally understand that it can be annoying to delete a comment and re-post it just to fix a typo, but that scenario is the less-est of multiple evils, and given that we've got other site improvements and yet-to-be-built features to prioritize, we hope you can understand our decision not to explore it at this time.

@KiowaWoolley Many of us do join the comments! I can assure you that at the very least, I do read as many of them as I can—as do many other TV.com staff members. Personally, sometimes I just don't have time to respond, and other times I take the complain-y ones to heart and opt not to. I don't mean that to sound like we're shrugging off your concerns, but there are absolutely times when I just have to remind myself that we can't always be everything to everyone, and those are the times when I step away and hope that everyone will calm down and be nicer tomorrow. Even if they come from a place of caring, they can still hurt. :)

I think we can all agree that community here is amazing, and the awesome, highly engaged discussion that takes place in the comments sections is what inspired the launch of our community pages in the first place. We have so many other great things planned, and we've been thrilled with the initial round of feedback, so we hope you'll keep it coming. We know we still have work to do, but we ALSO hope that you all will trust us when we say that we really do want to build the best experience possible for such highly intelligent TV fans such as yourselves.

Now if you'll excuse me, there is some Sunday-night television on my DVR just waiting to be viewed!
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@ben45tpy I don't know if the issue has been resolved since no peace pipe (or further response) and if credit (for solving the edit issue) goes to anyone it goes to everyone or safibwana who gave the explanation that the site should of given long ago.

still like the monty python reference from earlier

and would still like to be able to edit my comments within a minute of posting them

LOL@KW who could of used an edit button;-)

maybe there should be edit option that goes away if there is a thumbs up or a reply
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Glad you replied, but Ijust can't see what kind of cans of worms this would open up, honestly. would you mind providing the top two, pretty please, O Bountiful Jen?
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Looks like I can take the credit for this happy ending.
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And we're sorry too, that some of us are like a dog with a bone. You should hire safibwana for his public relations skills...
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omgz a reply! Thanks! I dont even have to get what I want as long as Im acknowledged. Maybe there should be a discussion amongst staff about joining in the comments more often.
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@grumpyclown
vegetarian!
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so shocked i fell off chair....
a response....
brain hurts....
confused....

thank you for responding Jen
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Whoa, I didn't say I had a problem with the protests I just don't always understand them. I think the idea is reasonable enough, the craziness I was referring to is how it manages to fill up hundreds of comments. Fair enough that you would be frustrated if the staff aren't listening. Just remember:

Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best...

And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...

If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps
Don't be silly chumps
Just purse your lips and whistle - that's the thing.

And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...

For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin - give the audience a grin
Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow.

So always look on the bright side of death
Just before you draw your terminal breath

Life's a piece of shit
When you look at it
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true.
You'll see it's all a show
Keep 'em laughing as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.

And always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the right side of life...
(Come on guys, cheer up!)
Always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the bright side of life...
(Worse things happen at sea, you know.)
Always look on the bright side of life...
(I mean - what have you got to lose?)
(You know, you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing.
What have you lost? Nothing!)
Always look on the right side of life...
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Thanks for cheering my day up with a perfect song! Now we can demand a whistle button option;-)

fyi: my full on cray cray idea was to fill the page with removed comments but I decided to save the full on crazy for a later day/another battle;P

A song for all of us:
Whenever life gets you down, Mrs.Brown
And things seem hard or tough
And people are stupid, obnoxious or daft
And you feel that you've had quite enough

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned
A sun that is the source of all our power

The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour
Of the galaxy we call the 'milky way'

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick

But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide

We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point
We go 'round every two hundred million years
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, the speed of light, you know
Twelve million miles a minute and that's the fastest speed there is

So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure
How amazingly unlikely is your birth
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth

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i now wish they had a whistle button option
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@KiowaWoolley.You are right, we are mostly here for the great users and friends we have made here and the batter and comments we exchange with them and not so much for the reviewers, except for very few exceptions like Price for TW. Asking, nay demanding an edit button is not only a reasonable request, but one that shows that we do count for something in spending sometimes more than an hour a day on this site, if not more for some of us.
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Principal of the matter. This site likes to pretend its interactive wih its users, etc. However it cannot even provide the 'winners' of some of its 'contests months later'. Reviewers paste their articles in and 99% of the time never venture into the comments for a discussion. Thats fine I guess as their opinions usually tend to suck, but the best thing the site has gong for it is its users and our discussions in these various articles. For months we have asked about an edit button to help clear up comment-sections and make them less cluttered/confused. Not a single site admin, engineer or programmer has ever bothered to say yay/nay/not effin possible, My posts asking for one is the highest-thumbs-upped on this article and the comment has the most replies, you'd think that someone running things would at least pretend to care.
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LOVE that song.
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edit button for comment section here
duh, obviously they don't listen or just don't care (kind of like saying ALS=Parkinson's dz)
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Oh, they know, they just don't want the inmates running the asylum...
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You just read about the freaks working at tv.com, its not really surprising they dont have an edit button option.
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freaks usually have it together a bit more~~let's not insult the freaks by comparing them to tards
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Maybe they spent so much time caring for their various afflictions, that they dont have time to give us an edit button option.

Is Cory the pigeon-toed intern with the big nose?
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given some of the accuracy lately, I say it was a dove on the shoulder, plastic eye and not glass, and tiny nose (was going to say something else but then someone would be offended...hmm, vegetarian)
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NOPE--deal with it...
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See, if we had an edit button you could change your comment to something useful.
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like BANSHEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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don't want to deal with it
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oooh are we playing Deal or No Deal?
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Apparently we're playing something although I can't say what.
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I deal with enough from you;-)
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But you are...
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I'm going with "whatever" on that one...
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nope, you're wrong

you said "deal with it" which I interpret to mean "deal with the fact they will never listen and will never put a edit button in the comment".

Since I'm still talking about it, then I haven't dealt with the fact they are ignoring us or refusing to put in an edit button for the comments. I had dealt with it then I would be done with it.
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EXCELLENT POINT!
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yeah, how hard could that be? EDIT BUTTON NOW!
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yeah, where is the edit button for the comments here?
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Actually, we were promised more free reign and an edit button on the communities, but I don't see it as yet...
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because you gave up, surrendered...therefore you don't care enough but that's ok. I just think people tend to give up to easily and imaging if we did that with banshee and orphan black....
People just give in to the site and don't get me started on the reviewer fanboys and fangirls....
but I am a tiny bit of a fangirl for a few reviewers who don't get enough good shows to review (except Price gets a good show and I am of fan of his humorous reviews).
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But I so much love messing with Texas. Yesterday I (insert whatever) while listening to a ZZTop song and it felt so good.
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Never surrender!**
You will pry my guns from my cold dead hands!
Don't mess with Texas;-)

**logic may dictate compromise or change in tactics but that is not surrendering (unlike giving up just because one isn't "heard" or is fatigued or thinks it is hopeless, i.e., "know when we are beat").
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Ha, surrender! We Texans know not the meaning of the word!
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we want an edit button for the comments...oh yeah, you don't care...well others do care

have to do the whole copy, remove, reply, post process here AGAIN
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@safibwana This could be solved easily if they make a timer for editing, and if someone replied to(or liked) a comment they can make the edit button disappear.
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Safibwana, you make a good point about being able to edit and change a comment later would make things confusing etc. But if it was done like Facebook where you have 1-2 minutes of edit time allowed would help clear a lot of things.

And hahahahha hire you?!?! You're already disqualified for providing reasonable responses. Actually youre already disqualified for responding to us. These people cant be bothered to mingle with the natives.
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They should clearly hire me for customer relations (no one should ever hire me for customer relations). I'm sure the reason for limiting replies is that they indent for every reply. I have been on some sites where it starts to look silly with the replies getting 2 characters wide and very tall. Seems I suggested once that they go the way where rather than indenting after a certain depth they use graphic indicator to show what is a reply to what. I've seen it done with long lines or with arrow things kinda like \->
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@safibwana
you're the first to give a logical list (that I can remember) against the edit button. I wish the site officials had cared enough (or knew enough) to state those reasons. I was thinking of it to fix spelling errors or to include the one parenthesis I usually forget...but I can see how, if used differently, it could lead to problems.

on the plus side, more complaints may mean more comments which may mean more page clicks which may lead to more site traffic...I really don't know but I thought of it and often don't filter.

Is there a reason for the limited amount of replies? page stretch or something...
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sabfibwana has a point. I rather like it...
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The argument against an edit button: (1) If you edit a comment after it has been replied to, the replies may no longer make sense (2) If you edit a comment after it has been liked, people are now endorsing a comment they have never read (3) If you fix one and two by removing the edit button for any comment with a like or reply people will bitch because the edit button isn't there sometimes and they don't understand why (4) If you fix two by clearing all of the likes when a comment is edited, people will bitch that their likes randomly disappear. Conclusion: adding an edit button actually means more complaints from commenters not fewer.
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Why do you say I don't care? I do care, but I know when I'm beat because they don't care...
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Edit button in the communities does exist but only to what you post(Stories,Photos,Videos,Discussions,Polls,Links and Quotes) but not in the comments, but i think that in the communities you can delete your comments without the phrase :"this comment have been deleted" showing.
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yessiree bob!!!!!!! we want our edit button.
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Not to sound like a killjoy or anything, but the tv recappers obituary with the baby dying from SIDS wasn't funny...messed up definitely but not funny (in my opinion), however everythng else was spot on as usual! i
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