Game of Thrones: Saving Private Tyrion

Game of Thrones S02E09: "Blackwater"

Fiiiiiiiiiiight! The super-duper anticipated "Blackwater" episode of Game of Thrones rained fire down on us all, living up to the pre-season promise of "War is Coming." Well, war came, and it was awesome.

In the most unique episode of Game of Thrones to date, the hour was spent around a single event instead of the trademark Westeros Tourism Board postcards we're accustomed to. The Battle of Blackwater Bay, the scuffle that Season 2 has been preparing for all season long, unfolded uninterrupted and showed war for the brutal act it has always been.

The first arrow may not have been fired until halfway through "Blackwater," but the moments before war weren't exactly good vibes and chillaxing. In fact, the war was used not just to satisfy our insatiable thirst for bloodlust, dismembering, and heads crushed by rocks (and there was a delightful amount of all that), but also as a way to put these characters through the grinder and show us who they really were. The best and worst come out of us in times of stress, and nothing brings in stress like seeing 300 ships full of angry men looking to invite themselves over.

War can make you stronger, it can make you a head shorter, it can make you braver, it can make you scared of fire and wish for a flagon of wine instead. The Battle of Blackwater did all these things to our heroes of Westeros, combining physical damage with psychological tolls in an episode that accurately captured the essence of war to the point where we all tasted blood. And when Bronn's arrow hit the wildfire and sent Stannis' fleet up in an explosion of neon-green? Holy crikeys! There isn't a whole lot to really discuss here other than gawking over the superb action sequences, but this was awesome, and gave me a great excuse to turn off the lights, blast the surround sound, and scare my neighbors.

This Memorial Day, let us also remember the guy who got his leg cut off by a dwarf.

"Are you afraid, my lion?"

Before war can actually begin, we needed to spend a bit of time in that most uncomfortable of times. Those restless, sleepless hours just before you know you'll be rushing into battle armed with nothing but a piece of metal and an upside-bucket you wear on your head. "Blackwater" was directed by Neil Marshall, a late addition to the process but a perfect fit as he's an action director that knows how to stretch a budget (he brought us Dog Soldiers and The Descent). And Marshall doesn't even turn on an actor's microphone (except one that's hurling his guts out below deck of a barge that's about to become a pile of splinters) for a full minute-and-a-half. Sweet lord, that's so awesome.

Instead all we have to listen to is the rolling seas and angry thunder off in the distance preparing us for what's in store, all we have to see are these huge war ships barely visible under a sliver of moonlight. It's the perfect accompaniment for this war full of men heading into battle against their will. The use of darkness and silence not only made special effects easier, it jumpstarted our imagination and heightened our senses until we fell off the edge of our seat.

Davos stood on the bow of one of those ships heading straight into the Lions' den. He did not share his son's enthusiasm for the events that were about to transpire. But duty put him on the boat. Tyrion faced the fact that he probably wouldn't make it out of the battle alive, which was a bummer since he finally found a woman who loved him and not his coin purse. But honor made him put on armor. Bronn the sellsword had been through this before and spent his time pre-war doing what he loved to do: drinking and fondling. A lust for life put Bronn on the wall. And Cersei was preparing for death rather than war, taking a vial of essence of nightshade from Maester Pycelle in case Stannis opened her doors. Acceptance of her life as either a symbol of royalty or oppression made her eerily calm in the face of two possible outcomes, one of which involved killing herself and her children. War has different effects on people, and we got to see the whole gamut. And that was all before the first drop of blood spilled.

"I've never known bells to mean surrender."

And then the bells rang!

In the moment, "Blackwater" masterfully used audio to build tension. King's Landing sounded the bells to let the city know it was about to get pillaged from all angles and armor clanged as men found their positions.

And then the drums drummed!

Stannis' fleet countered with rhythmic drums, and at this point my insides were screaming to jump out of my skin. All these sounds building in the background brought everything to a frenzy. Building, building, building...

And just when I was about to rip my own head off in anticipation, Tyrion's Blackwater Bay strategy began to unfold. Davos was sharp enough to know something was up when his armada was met by a single ship, but of course Joffrey was oblivious. And that was probably the best way to witness Tyrion's genius, because if we knew what was coming, it wouldn't have had the same impact. Words don't do it justice, so let's let the pictures do the talking.

Well, there went Stannis' advantage. But Stannis was not all boats and drums, he still had a massive army to bring to shore, a throne to sit upon, and the head of a jerk king to cut off. This started phase three of "Blackwater," and I don't even know where to begin. Well, let's take a breath and see how the ladies were doing.

While the men did their burning and screaming and stabbing, Cersei was holed up with the other noble ladies in a safe place with plenty of wine. These scenes with Cersei were, in some ways, even more uncomfortable to watch than the brutality going on outside. It just some "hens" waiting around to either be saved or raped, and it wasn't going to be until those doors opened and helmets were removed that the ladies would know which fate arrived.

Cersei used the opportunity to get drunk and impart her regal wisdom on queen-in-training Sansa, and it was harsh reality after harsh reality. I love drunk, frank Cersei. Use sex to your advantage! We might all get raped! Ilyn Payne is here to cut off our heads if the city falls! She may be the B---- in the Red Keep, but no one can say that she's a sugar-coater.

"Any man dies with a clean sword, I'll rape his fucking corpse."

And how about that Stannis? The man with the personality of a lobster also had the balls of a grizzly bear, balls which he took right to the front line. He was the first up the ladder, and at one point took on half the Lannister army all by himself. I might just take a marker to my "Robb 2012" poster and scribble in Stannis' name in there instead.

There's little I can really say about the battle itself other than "holy awesome balls!" so I'll just leave it at that. It was the chaos of war as the two forces clashed, Stannis' men pushing, Joffrey's men holding, in a sequence that should be saved for blockbuster movies. Legs were cut off, torsos were divided, heads were smashed by the aforementioned rocks. It was everything we hoped it would be plus more.

But war did not sit well with everyone. The Hound made the most surprising turn, at once yelling the quote above and later telling Joffrey to fuck off. It seemed that the sight of flesh burning was a bit too much for him to handle, and he broke, preferring wine and a nice place to sit to painting his sword red. God I love The Hound, and for him to retreat to Sansa's quarters and offer her a way out was both creepy and sweet.

Tyrion chose to take on this war upright rather than on his back like he did in Season 1, got a few jabs in at the cowardly Joffrey, and cut a dude's leg off! Not a bad day of work. But he was not without his own battle scar, a nasty gash across his face that cut so clean, it's a wonder his nose was still attached to his face. And a lot more would have come unattached if it wasn't for his squire Podrick Payne, who came in with a timely skewering.

And just as King's Landing looked as though it was going to fall, the cavalry arrived with Tywin and his new allies the Tyrells (Ser Loras and Margaery's family) to squash what was left of Stannis' troops. And even though he wasn't even featured in the episode and was miles away, it was Littlefinger who proposed the idea that the Lannisters and Tyrells should merge, who had the biggest influence on the war and the realm. Oh that Littlefinger!

"Blackwater" set a new benchmark for Game of Thrones, the fantasy genre, and television war sequences. It was more than just an hour to show off a big budget, it used the subject of war to show its effect on characters and proved that in this series, it's all about how you play the game.



Game of Thrones Season 2 Power Rankings

I'll be ranking the ten episodes of Game of Thrones' second season from first to worst in terms of quality. But remember, these rankings are just, like, my opinion, man.

This Week: "Blackwater" was like hardcore LARPing and big-budget movie entertainment mixed in one! The amount of production that went into this thing is staggering, and the results were well worth the wait. Straight to the number one spot!

1. "Blackwater" (Episode 9)
War! Giant green explosions! Multiple people getting sliced in half! The epic battle of Blackwater Bay unfolds.

2. "Garden of Bones" (Episode 4)
Joffrey entertains a few ladies by having them beat each other; Melisandre gives birth to the Smoke Monster from Lost; Dany meets a bunch of salesmen from Qarth.

3. "The Ghost of Harrenhal" (Episode 5)
Shadow Baby gives Renly a big hug, wildfire wildfire wildfire!, Theon sets out for the North, and Arya's new friend does her bidding.

4. "The North Remembers" (Episode 1)
Annnnd we're back! Joffrey orders death for Robert's bastards; Melisandre, Davos, and Stannis make their grand entrance; Robb sends an all tomato ultimatum to the Lannisters.

5. "The Old Gods and The New" (Episode 6)
Jon Snow meets a hot redhead in the snow, the people of King's Landing rebel, and Winterfell falls to Theon.

6. "A Man Without Honor" (Episode 7)
Theon takes drastic measures to hold Winterfell, revolution in Qarth means tough times for Dany, and Jaime Lannister returns to make fun of Brienne.

7. "The Night Lands" (Episode 2)
The Goldcloaks set out to find Gendry (and Arya); Theon gropes his sister and disappoints his dad; Jon sees something strange in the forest.

8. "What Is Dead May Never Die" (Episode 3)
Theon suits up for Team Greyjoy; Tyrion gives Pycelle the boot; Cat arrives to see Renly assembling a circus; Arya and Gendry get captured.

9. "The Prince of Winterfell" (Episode 8)
Talisa and Robb finally let their loins do the talking, Jon and Qhorin Halfhand are in the clutches of Wildlings, and Tyrion fears for Shae's safety.


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I hate how the episode turned out in the end , i really thought this would be the end of that obnoxious Joffrey !!
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Best tv show episode ever. Seriously.
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Absolutely!
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ilike this

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Wrong. See: Lost, The Constant
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One of the best shows on TV. More real as fantasy than ANY of the "reality shows". They

are so scripted their 'scripts are showing". I'd take shows like this any day over all

the "reality shows" combined. What is with TV these days??? The dramas leave you

high and dry. "Thrones" leaves me starving for more. Thank the gods, both the seven

new ones and all the old ones there is at least one show where a person can lose

themselves for an hour and come out wanting more.
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In the books, Tyrion actually lose his nose (or some part of it, dont remember). But who wants to see adorable Tyrion without a nose! Seriously!



And it is worth noting that the guy slashing at Tyrion was actually Ser Mandon Moore of Kingsguard working under the command of a certain person "you-might-already-guessed-who-if-not-Google-it-cuz-I'm-not-gonna-spoil-it" who doesn't like Tyrion much and wants to get rid of him in the mess of war.
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Actually it shouldn't be googled or spoiled as there are a lot of potential betrayers who could want Tyrion dead and as I recall it took a while in the books until it was confirmed who ordered the assasination.
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That was the best hour of television I have ever seen. This show is just amazing.
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Finally watched this episode and it was epic.

I wish you had reiterated in your review how it was a Kingsguard knight who slashed Tyrion across the face, just in case someone couldn't tell from the armor when watching. It was Ser Meryn, if memory serves.



I also wish that the show had managed to incorporate Tyrion's chain into the season. For anyone who didn't read the books: Tyrion commissions all of the metal workers of the city to start making this giant-ass chain, which he then stretches across the entrance to Blackwater Bay. But he doesn't have his men make it taut until the fire is set-then all of the ships are trapped in the bay, trapped in the wildfire. They can't pass through the chain because it would tear right through their wooden ships. Brilliant.
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Ser Mandon Moore was the guy slashing at Tyrion.
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I havent read the books but I was under the impression "War is Coming" meant Robbs Winterfell army was coming to Westoros to fight the Lanisters. Also during this episode who are we the audience suppossed to be rooting for? Stanis or Lanisters? I loved Tyrion this whole season but if he wins Joffrey also wins.
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The great thing about GoT is there is no clear evil (excluding the walkers) lord or Sauron character like Lord of the Rings. Its not meant to be as easy as good vs evil, so its more realistic. I hate Cercei but I love Tyrion and Jaime, its more about individual characters. Like Ned was a moral guy but an idiot in the end. In standard Fantasy, Ned would have won and it would be boring.
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As I said before, as long as Tyrion lives to fight (and chop legs off) another day, I don't care which side wins.



Fuck The Lannisters, Team Tyrion!
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I was just added by the lovely Oona - who plays the irresistable Talisa Maegyr - on Facebook. It bears no real relevance to the show or this article, and it holds no insights or analysis, but couldn't help but want to brag. So many photos to gaze longingly at now...... I wonder if she actually does wear boots often.
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Just got to watch the latest episode.. I was kinda hoping it would get far better. I mean there's war and no sign of The Shadow Baby??? Haven't read the book, so don't know the depth of the story. Still...
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Did you not watch the episode where Davos told Stannis to leave the red woman behind otherwise his banner men would think that he needs the priestess to win all his wars. Which ironically, Stannis does need her in order to win...
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seeing this episode theres hope in my heart HBO can muster the courage to bring the Riftwar to life
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I've watched it 3 times already. Just incredible.
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i must have heard "The Rains of Castamere" a hundred times by now, THANK YOU mr. Martin for all this magic!!
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absolute AMAZING episode!! it paid back with interest all the tedium of jon snow and danny this season. It strange but my favorite moment was Tywin entering the throne room with his temperance, and that song at the end!!! my god!. Not since the first season of BSG i have been so hooked with a series.
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I like the Community reference in the Power Rankings.
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I came for the article but I stay for the repeating leg chopping clip.



chop, bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce, hack.
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Dr. Evil saves Mini-me yet again.
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Noooo way ! 10 episodes only and now we r going to wait 1 year !

Waiting 12 months for a 2 and a half months , am I missing something ?

They need to expand the season even with fillers ! I would see a full hour of Robb playing with his wolf!
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One thing I dont understad

did Tyrion get attack by one of the King (Joffrey) own man ?

it Looked like he knew the man who attacked him and was suprised

And another thing I didnt quit get maybe its my poor english

the line where Tyron

"There are brave men knocking on our door. Let's go kill them".

why call stannies man brave ? doest brave somthing else in this context ?
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You're right, Tyrion was attacked by the captain of the kings guard. Which is a set up for more story. The reason he did it was because he was ordered to. The question at this point is who ordered him to do so. The only two that have the power without bribe to make that happen would be the king or the kings mother at this point.



And yes, he used the line that the men attacking were brave. He used a realistic point of view on things. He didn't tell them to fight for gold and honour or the king because they don't care about that at this point. They only cared about seeing the next day healthy and alive and without chains. He flat out said that losing is no option and the ones attacking will not back down. It's either kill or be killed, make your choice.
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Yes, Tyrion was attacked by one of the Kingsguard.

He called the men at the gate brave because they are, and because the cowardly Joffrey ran away to his mommy almost causing his own troops to retreat.
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Green Fire = Pretty
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FringeFanatic, I feel that for the benefit of all those who will not scroll right down you should repost your earlier explanation about the differences between book/show and how to enjoy both. Quite a few recent commenters seem unable to appreciate them together, and you just wrote it out perfectly.

I was tempted to just copy/paste it, but I don't want to take any of the credit.
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In real life, bad guys win ...many many times.
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You are completely correct about that
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I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT HALFMAN IS HALF-DEAD. CAN YOU?
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I definetely believe this episode could compare to every big-budget movie not to mention the fantastic visual and audio effects. I loved the way the plot is unfolding literally in front of their eyes and left us with yrion HALFMAN HALF-DEAD
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"That would make me the quarter man. It just doesn't have the same ring to it" -Tyrion. Best line of the episode. Made me laugh so hard xD I also loved his speech. "There are brave men knocking on our door. Let's go kill them". Tyrion was simply awesome this episode! And the wildfire was really cool! :)
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Hasn't the Hound always been afraid of fire since his brother the Mountain burned him as a child which means seeing Blackwater and that man charging him on fire forced him to relive his greatest fear?
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Loved the episode yet hated the ending. Cersei should've killed herself! Hated that Tywin went to Kingslanding instead of facing Robb as was hinted in previous episodes. At least next week's season finale "Valar Morghulis" is looking pretty good!
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i liked the episode. I knew the chain swasnt going to be used because they would have had to mention it in previous episodes the way they did in the books, so that wasn't a big surprise. I also knew the ground fighting and the catpults werent going to be as detailed as i nthe books, because there were time and money constraints to be factored in. but I was hoping they wouldnt dance around the nose thing, it plays a fairly important part of his story line going forward. I know they needed a handsome actor like Dinklage to help bring in the audience and get them use to the possibilty that the Imp wasnt necessarily the villian, but if you havent gotten them by season 3, youre not getting them, so the nose thing should have been left in . He still has the soulful eyes,he could easily work around a prosthetic.

I loved the Cersei scenes, not just because it added a narrator who explained what was really going on in that room, and what Ilyn was really there for; but because Lena Headey ran through the gamut of emotions in this episode. Feeling useless and helpless because she wasnt allowed to fight, frustrated and annoyed with being responsible for women she didnt even like, terrified that her monster son was going to be killed, and then right before the episode ends, she is a mother trying to spare her younger son from what will surely be a brutal death by giving him the pain numbing poison that she was going to use on herself to avoid the mass rape she had coming her way. She had it all, and a few snarky remarks for Sansa about her upcoming marriage to Joff. I hope this episode is a good sign that they will be sticking to her storylines going forward. And I'm not JUST saying that because I want to see the fun scenes later on. Though I want to see those too.

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The whole episode went by with a click of the fingers... intense!
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Martell = Cognac (martell.com)

Tyrell = English crisps (tyrrellscrisps.com)



No wonder Mr. Surette went Martell.... It is a holiday after all
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I tweeted Mr. Surette about Martell-gate and he's fixed it, so all is well
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Hurray for Joan!! Thank you very much.
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Neil Marshall directed this masterpiece?

Well done, Neil. While watching I thought MEL GIBSON was the director.

The Hound and Stannis showed how they became two of my most favored charachters - epic, especially the Hound's flip caught me totally by surprise.

I love Tyrion, but if I've been the Hand of the Bastardking there would have been a wildfire trench at the shore in front of the mudgate in addition. Stannis and almost all of his men would have been burnt alive not reaching the walls at all. I was expecting this but was GLAD in the end - more awesome fights and Stannis "the can-opener" Baratheon might have gotten away.(?)
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The problem with that is the wildfire wouldn't just stop at the trench. That stuff is like napalm on steroids. Unleashing it that close to the city would practically guarantee that Kings Landing would burn, effectively doing Stannis's job for him.
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Good point, but of course just a little trench closer to the waterline than to the walls. Else it would be funny ... and very stupid.
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"While watching I thought MEL GIBSON was the director."



This is confusing, so you're saying that you thought this was directed by a psychotic, washed-up actor who is narrowly veiling his blatant racism? Funny, I got the idea that it was directed by someone with talent who knows what they are doing, not a typecast actor who is only directing because he started refusing to act without a director credit once he became famous.
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I think my intentions were clear to anyone - may Gibson be the faulty man he may be, but compared to the CGI brutality of Spartacus the quality of the make-up in the gore scenes was absolutely outstanding and the director famous for that is (for me) .. .Mel Gibson, but keep on ignoring his better movies such as "Braveheart" just because you personally dislike Gibson(...and you really know the guy,right?).

Funny, I got the idea that your post was written by a total typecast tool who is only thinking to be genuine and funny bashing people they are told to dislike.Isn't that something racists do? I'm confused too.
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BraveHeart & apocalypto r awesome!

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O I loved Braveheart, even though it would have been a much better movie with better directing. He played that role great (even though Wallace should have been a huge actor), but forced the studio to make him director if they wanted him to star. If you were comparing a action-type actor to Mel Gibson in his prime I would understand, but I just don't understand why actors are automatically considered good directors just because they are famous. So yes, I made a joke about you claiming great directing reminded you of Gibson, especially when there are so many great directors to choose from.
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No need to explain, Mel Gibson is awesome, fuck the haters.
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Gibson fucking sucks.
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Great episode. Tim, you wrote "The Martells (Ser Loras and Margaery's family)", which surely was a mistake. It should be Tyrells, we haven't yet met the Martells of Dorne :)
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Holy shit Tim, could you please take two fucking seconds and correct the typo so all these helpful people can stop bringing it to your attenion for the 10th time in this thread.

Who has twitter? Somebody please tweet that to him.
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50th person to point this out?
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I have yet to read the books. I liked the episode, but I'm sad that there is only one episode left and we've only had a taste of Rob and his Dire Wolf, Dany and her Dragons, Stannis and the Smoke baby, and John Snow Beyond the Wall. I wish they would do a 22 episode season like most other tv shows so they can actually have time to tell the stories!
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You are actually getting MORE scenes with these characters than were in the books. They wrote more scenes for Dany and Rob to keep the actors on the show. Rob isn't even a main character in the book. He has no chapters of his own and is, instead, only seen through Catelyn Starks perspective. Yes, Some of these characters are awesome and I would watch a show devoted entirely to them, but at the same time GoTs is also awesome because of the crazy amount of characters living in this world. We can't have it all!
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First time EVER that I'm actually grateful for some of the spoilery comments here, because all I could think in the following hrs after watching this was: "is Tyrion ok? is he ok? is he gonna die? OMFG IS HE OK??? and then I came here (because I knew I would find the answers that I needed, (*cough FF, *cough MoRestrepo). Thank the GoT Lord and the dude of the Light and al of them, because Tyrion is the soul of this rotten corpse that is GoT.



In a side note, I have defended Sansa before, because I think she's having it really bad, having to actually live under the same roof with ppl as aweful and devious as Joffrey and Cercei; but refusing to run away and be taken to her family by the Hound? That was plain stupid; this girls puzzles me, I mean, what does she wants? what does she really wants? does she really wants to be the Queen that bad? does she actually has hopes for Joffrey ever being the true monarch she used to dream about?

Now, I don't blame her for staying after we saw the cavalry coming to the rescue, as it turns out it was the right move, by staying when she had the chance to disapear has shown her loyalty, even though I'm more inclined to "fear", but anyways, I think that she just "graduated" from a stinking Stark, to a worthy Lannister "to be" , in the Lannister's books of course.
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Sansa stayed because she thought that Stannis would win and she would not be harmed & possible returned to Winterfell. She was scared of the hound & he did try to do things to her which is not on the TV show. She does not want to be queen that badly that she wants to marry Joffrey, she hates him.
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You know those shots in movies where you see a sword strike and then it cuts to the guy who gets cut, and one half of his face slides down the other half, or his head falls off? That was the vibe I got from that scene. He's a pretty shitty kingsguard to misjudge the distance to Tyrions face that poorly. But then again, Joffrey's a pretty shitty king, so I guess it all works out.

SPOILER ALERT - Podrick Payne is awesome!
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That is exactly what I thought too! I kept waiting for half his head to slide off haha
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I blame Stannis, he was the first one who cut a man's face in half, no cut looks safe after that.
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I was under the impression Stannis had the largest army. However in this review its mentioned that Tywin now has the largest army combined with Ser Loras's. I thought that Tywin's army was somewhere below 30,000 and Loras barely had any troops after leaving Renly's army. How did the two become a larger force than Stannis?
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I was confused about this too. I thought that Renly was the one who had the big army (100,000 or so) in this war and Loras just hung around him as his entourage. They've talked all the time about Renly's army consisting of his bannermen and if Renly died they would rally behind Stannis. I've had problems trying to understand many things in GoT (family connections, where certain cities are, etc.) because I haven't read the books yet, and that's why I've cheated a little and read some things on-line. From what I've understood - at least in the books - the men that Renly had actually came from House Tyrell and the area they control; the Reach. So apparently now when Renly died, Ser Loras Tyrell was able to take control of the men and join forces with Tywin. I guess Loras wanted to avenge Renly's death so badly, that he joined the lesser evil Tywin just to beat the crap out of Stannis.
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You're almost right there, Taccado.

Renly's army consisted of two houses and their bannermen: his own house Baratheon (with the castle of Storm's End) and their bannermen in the Stormlands; and house Tyrell (with their castle Highgarden) and their bannermen in the Reach.

After Renly's death, only the Baratheon bannermen followed Stannis (their actual lord since he's a Baratheon). The Tyrells stayed behind and eventually joined forces with Tywin Lannister.

So unlike what you said, Loras didn't have to take control of the men, because they're the rightful bannermen of house Tyrell.
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Wow! That was better than blockbuster movies, they werent keeping to a pg rating. Incredible! I was on the edge of my seat!
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i watched that wildfire scene 4 times and the screenshot i took is now my background. so awesome
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I watched the whole episode twice before I could post a coherent thought. That's how great it was!
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This episode was horrendously epic, but how come there's no mention of Sansa being quite awesome? I love her very short exchange with Joffrey- "You're right. I'm so stupid. Of COURSE you'll be fighting on the front line." (not exact quote.) And later in the room with the other women, being brave and trying to comfort them... I forget how old this Sansa is meant to be, but she's really brave for a young girl, especially when you consider she doesn't have her sister's natural courage. People nowadays expect strong female characters to wield swords or be over-the-top feisty or witty. Sansa's not like that, but there's definitely something about her. I expect great things from her in future.
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YES! I'm big-time crushing on Sansa at the moment. She has been great throughout this season.
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omg.week after week ppl praise each episode like it is the best thing.

NOOO,NO,NOOO!!!!

1st mistake they make is making only 10 episodes per season. Worked for 1st season(though they could add 1 or 2 episode in there). Here they just skip,skip and skip stuff to meet those 10 episodes and what hurts the most is the fact,that some scenes are put in,that are not in book and the ones,that are in books are not! (won't say which ones,but ppl who read book,know this).

Season 2 had it's moments,let me say this again,MOMENTS,but to see every episode let me down,is just too much. And I fear to imagne what they will do with season 3( will they put both books in one season with 10 episodes----if they do,epic fail!).

ANYONE WHO LIKES FANTASY AND KNOWS GEORGE R.R. MARTIN, READ HIS BOOKS!!!!



Season 2 is just average at best! If they did what books tell us,then it would be great season!

And all those who didn't READ books,don't even dare to reply to me,saying this is great,they can't do everything that is in books and so on.....they knew what they were getting themselves into!!!!

READ GEORGE's BOOKS!!!!
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Can't say I agree with you. I read the books, loved all of them except for Feast. I also loved the fact that Season 1 was really close to the book - one of the main reasons why the show was so great. But .. you have to be realistic, to fit everything in the monster books 2 and 3, we are going to need 50 episodes per season. As much as I would love that to happen .. it's not going to! Money doesn't grow on trees, especially for TV shows.



I think the best thing for you to do is to consider the TV show and the books completely separately (not easy to do, I know). But in the end, you will have a much better appreciation for what they are doing on the show - seriously, the last episode was as good as any hollywood blockbuster.



Just my 2 cents.
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GRRM is not a great writer. His books are okay. Well he was pretty great for 3 books, and then it all went to hell. He has a penchant for outrageous deaths seemingly just for the sake of distinguishing himself from the genre (an anything goes in my books attitude). But then he runs out of protagonists and antagonists that we actually care about and needs to introduce new characters in books 4 or 5.

Who miserably fail at taking on the emotional investment needed to truly enjoy the literature. So as far as I'm concerned let the show stray as far as possible from the books, you can improve upon then significantly.
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Exactly. As much as I liked them - books 4 and 5 would be IMPOSSIBLE to adapt 1:1 with 1 book per season. Not because of financial issues but because TV != books. The ratings would go downhill and the show would be cancelled because you can't just abandon main character-archs for 1-2 years in a TV show. So it's definitely clear that SOME kind of change in the adaption is necessary. The other big necessity is financial as mentioned.
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I believe Storm of Swords is split up between 2 seasons...I read the books and they're doing a marvelous job with the show...Martin even wrote the "Blackwater" episode, so you can't complain TOO much...
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You're obviously unaware of how the internet works.



This is where people go when everyone in the real world has told them to shut the fuck up and that they don't care if you can't find an auto-tuned Rains of Castamere on you tube yet.
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omg.week after week ppl whine about every difference between the show and the book like it is the worst thing.

NOOOO, NO,NOOO!!!!

Seriously, shut up and get over it. These are two different mediums, telling their own version of the story. So what if the shows changes things? I have read all the books for years, multiple times, and I love the differences. Makes me feel like I'm getting something new. Just stick to the books if you're going to whine. HBO is doing an amazing job, but they are NOT the books. It is the the show. Different.
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In an ideal world I'd agree with you. I also miss a lot of stuff. However, TV business is not rainbow wonderland where dollars swim in the seas and people get all their wishes fulfilled. I just don't see that it's possible to adapt the books 1:1 to the TV screen with all the financial and organisational obstacles which exist. So I think we really get something which is very close to the best we could get. I urge you to "forget" about the books as much as you can to enjoy the show more.



Season 3 is btw confirmed to be the first half of book 3. So you needn't worry about too much material in it.
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I have read all the books (no spoilers)and your right that they are better and can paint better pictures. i say read, well listened to roy dotrices audio books and that guy made me respect tyrion even more. The biggest shame for me is some of the battles they've glazed over up to this point (rob starks),but i dont think its right to comparethe two. It was expected changes would happen and i dont think most books match film. eg dexter, rambo and even lord of the rings. But as a stranger to these books/plots this is show is ingenuitive and is so different than everything else on tv. Never find the perfect beer because every other will fail in comparison. Good show but hope they dont stray too far off though and also agree more episodes are needed.
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It was the TYRELLS not the Martells.
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that was clearly a slip: two lines below Tim writes correctly Tyrells.
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Yeah, clearly a slip, but a deadly one in Westeros.. The two families are mortal enemies!
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I know they missed a few bits out, and I know for that Martin himself wrote the episode but for me there was a change I can not forgive. Sansa's scene with the Hound.



In the book it had built up to that moment so brilliantly and although it's quite an unnerving scene it seems that Martin shied away from it and changed it significantly. In my mind that scene always stood out and it felt like the TV series was building up to that moment and then at the last minute changed it. I know it brings on all sorts of awkward questions like his sentiments towards Sansa but it does affect her quite deeply through the books and what happened instead seemed, to me, a let down.



Anyone else feeling this? Or was the change justified or better? Epic episode though.
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I totally agree! The hound was in her room anyways, if the stolen kiss was omitted, they should of had Sansa sing at the very least!
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The two big things that appear to have been removed was the kiss, and the song she sings. Neither would have had the impact in the TV series as they had in the book. In the book there was a huge build up of how scared she always was of the hound, yet at the same time she sort of felt safe because he never hurt her, in the show there was no way to justify that much screen time to the relationship between those two characters, so this I think summed it up pretty well.
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Cant say i really care. Sansa was the character i least liked in the books. The gold is in tyrion, john, jamie and brienne, arya, rob, daenerys, the hound, bran, stannis and sam. Sansas crying all the time with the yes sires and no sires was a head melt. Like paris hilton living in samalia for a months.
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littlefinger too
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For some reason the whole Sansa/Hound relationship has been played down. Didn't she give him a kiss in the book? Also I hate that they let Littlefinger explain what happened his face to her, it was a massively important in establishing their relationship that he confided this to her. It was nowhere near as poignant they way it was done in the show.
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Honestly, I think it's 10n times better in the TV show! Same thing with the relationship between Arya & Jaqen H'ghar, Tyrion & Bronn or Jaime & Brienne.
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SPOILER: I think the reason that was done was to set up the Little Finger/Sansa relationship that starts in book 3.
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Guys, I read the books, you can't spoil me.
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With the Littlefinger relationship I suppose that does make sense but she doesn't seem to be as upset with his advances than she does the Hounds. In fact she seems to remember her non-kiss with the Hound whilst being in Littlefinger's, ahem, company. It would have made a fair comparison I think, but I am aware of the difficulties in translating this to film.
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Where is the CHAIN? i think the lack of the chain removed a lot of the character building moments? where is the chain i ask again that was the little men at his best and brightest. Or the sequence where the boats where all close together lanister and stag alike and people fighting and jumping from one to another? a little better than the last 2 major battles that they skipped but i am curios where they will go with future battles
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Id forgotten about the chain well remembered and good point
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i think tyron is awesome and he was badly neglected when they forgot about the chain, he won the whole battle without him the city would have fallen
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Normally not a great fan of war scenes,. It's why I didn't like LOTR The Two Towers, but loved this episode!! Nuff said...
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Screw TV SHOW, THAT WAS A MOVIE!!!
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BRILLIANT EPI! LOVED IT.
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I thought it was a brilliant episode! The wildfire scene made my jaw drop, they got that spot on in my opinion. Tyrion actually does loose his nose in the book from that sword to the face but I guess that would be a bit too graphic. Can't wait to see the finale next week and see the house of the undying aswell as Jon and the half hand :)
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If they excluded the nose thing (its still not clear what damage was actually done), I don't think that it would have been because it was too graphic. This is HBO after all. Rather that from now on every time Tyrion is featured he would need to put on a lot more make up. And that's providing you can realistically remove a nose with make up stuff. So the other option would be to dig

into the special effect budget. So I'm not sure removing the nose would be worth it.
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Ohhh, where is your "Game of Thrones Season 2 Power Rankings"?
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I also want that! :P
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I think we can all agree that Blackwater would be #1
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I agree.
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without a doubt
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Loved Tyrion's bravery!

Wished that they would of shown the Hound stealing a kiss!
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F*** the kingsguard

F*** the city

F*** the king
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Wow. All the way, ,man. Even the end song at the end. I must say, I was real upset when it was Podrick, not Bronn, who saved Tyrion. Bronns' my boy.
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It was true to the book
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I'll say it again, the rendition of Castamere was the best...I've been told that was The National?
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