Game of Thrones Season 5 Premiere Review: The Powers That Were, the Powers That Will Be

Game of Thrones S05E01: "The Wars to Come"


How did you spend your Game of Thrones offseason? By screaming at your calendar to hurry up and get to April 12, like me? By tanning some leather hide so you can cosplay as Flea Bottom Merchant #7? By cooking up the perfect lemon-and-cat-food cake for your feline BFF Sansa? Well, whatever you did, stop, because Season 5 is here! Game of Thrones has returned!

I generally avoid using hyperbole, but I think it's safe to say that, based on "The Wars to Come," Season 5 may be man's greatest invention since pink Starburst. The episode was great, y'all, hinting at a power shift that we've been anticipating for a long time. It also boasted dazzling special effects, production values greater than the GDP of most second-world countries, projectile vomiting, and a healthy bare-butt count. If you weren't impressed, we can't be friends.

A few things to note before we begin:

  • The series has now passed the point where I stopped reading the books, so I'm going in blind. Personally, I'm incredibly excited to have no idea what's coming.
  • Although I do have access to episode screeners, I won't watch ahead. That's my guarantee! I promise my reviews won't contain any hints about what's on deck.
  • Now that Shae is dead, I need a new character to hate with a passion. Feel free to leave suggestions in the comments!

Alright, then! Bend the knee to the Lobster King and let's talk about what happened in "The Wars to Come!"


"That little monster is somewhere out there still drawing breath." —Cersei Lannister

Season 5 opened with something completely foreign to Game of Thrones up until this point: a flashback! And it focused on Cersei! I think it's a bit odd for the show to start going back in time now, but hey, there's plenty of history and backstory to explore—wouldn't you love to see Jaime slaying the Mad King, the Mountain and the Hound as children, or a young Aemon Targaryen? The scene didn't tell us much about Cersei that we didn't already know, except that the queen who wouldn't piss on a poor person if they were on fire didn't mind standing face-to-face with someone filthy when she was younger. In this case, Ms. Filthy was a fortune-telling witch who lived in Cersei's backyard, and for us, her revelations regarding Cersei's future served as a stand-in for a "Previously in the life of Cersei Lannister..." segment: We "learned" that Cersei would become a queen, have three kids—but not with her husband the king—and end up being ousted by a younger, prettier woman (Margaery Tyrell). So why the flashback? Shrug.

All I can think of is that it it established/reminded us that Cersei was well aware that her clutch on power was loosening, which turned her into a total grumpypants around King's Landing. Game of Thrones is all about gaining power and losing it, and we've now witnessed almost an entire cycle of power shifts through Cersei. In King's Landing, she was even more dismissive of everyone than usual, which I didn't know was possible, pounding wine and pushing through crowds as if she was rushing toward a porta potty at Coachella. Think about where she is now: Her dad is dead, her eldest son is dead, her daughter is halfway across the continent, her youngest son is betrothed to her arch-rival, her brother-lover is the reason her dad is dead (or so she believes), and her imp-brother murdered her father and destroyed the Lannisters' hold on the kingdom. Cersei feels completely abandoned and betrayed, and her status has dropped from "belle of the ball" to "has-been" in just one season of television, so yeah, she's currently feeling and acting as sour as the wine she's always chugging.

Even the dandy fop known as Lancel Lannister abandoned her! Remember that kid? He's the nephew of Cersei's who she got busy with who once looked like Prince Valium from Spaceballs. Well, watch out ladies, take a look at his hunky self now!

Lancel has become a bible-thumping Sparrow beefcake, a born-again religious who goes door to door asking people if they've met his good pal Jesus (or whoever the Sparrows worship). And his transformation is another example that the world is changing around Cersei, so she's not thrilled because there's nowhere for her to go but down. I actually feel a little sorry for her, even though she probably deserves every drop of anguish coming her way. What about you?

So what does Cersei do now? Her marriage to Ser Loras is still on the table, but the way Loras is flaunting his boy toys these days (Oliver didn't even throw on a towel as he left Loras's quarters), their union would be an obvious sham. Cersei had greater aspirations than to wind up as a beard for a man whose swordplay between the sheets is more renowned than his swordplay on the battlefield.

However, there's a chance Margaery might have a little something planned to help Cersei make up her mind. Loras mentioned that his sis only wants him to marry Cersei because that would mean Cersei would live in Highgarden with Loras and be out of Margaery's hair in King's Landing. But Margaery let loose a cryptic, "Perhaps," like she had something else in mind. WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING, MARGAERY?!? She's sneaky, that lady. Like when she snuck that peek at Oliver's dong.


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Apr 26, 2015
this is going to be so awesome!

funny videos.
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Apr 24, 2015
* I don't know why the reviewer is so hard on Dany. Was the United States ending slavery in the United States a bad thing?

Dany isn't more 'my way or the highway' than the other rulers. In some ways, she's been too 'soft'. She should have never chained her dragons and locked them away.

- Plus, the Unsullied are partly so loyal to Dany because of her various policies regarding former slaves.

* Daario's point about the fighting pits is that they offer the opportunity for advancement. Such a thing is a main reason people joined the British army. The free men could make a lot of money themselves. They could gain fame and such.

Daario also made the point that Dany can't afford to show weakness. It's better to allow fighting pits than risk rather unnecessary conflict.

* Even with the wilding army, Stannis would be no match for Dany if Dany had control of her dragons.

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Anyway, the most interesting part of GoT 5.01 is Daario essentially becoming a political adviser to Dany (he's already her main military adviser) and Jon Snow shooting Mance with an arrow.

Does Daario want to marry Dany? get her pregnant? Daario has control of the Second Sons (an around 2,000 strong army of good fighters). Dany can easily give him title. What's Daario's end game?

Jon Snow certainly has a ton of confidence in his importance to Stannis and to the Night's Watch. Stannis and Lady M wanted Mance to burn to death and Jon shot Mance with an arrow specifically to end Mance's suffering. That's clearly treason.
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Apr 23, 2015
- "I feel so bad for Pod, being stuck with her while she mopes across the countryside on impossible quests. Let's get a Kickstarter going to pay for his passage to Pentos so he can join Tyrion again."
I LOL-ed pretty hard.
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Apr 21, 2015
Don't you mean, " your feline BFF Ser Pounce"? :-D
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Apr 20, 2015
great to see you so enthusiastic Tim! I don't think Brienne can be your new nemesis. Her heart is pure. Maybe Ramsey or some arses at the wall. Though the best chance IMO is Cercei's replacement, that hottie from the roses.
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Apr 20, 2015
I don't like Brienne either, she's making poor Pod's life a living hell! She's so stubborn! Plus, she's murdered The Hound (last time we saw him, he was in agony...) who had become quite an interesting character over season 4. I think she should became the new Shae: a character we can all hate together!
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Apr 19, 2015
I feel sorry for Brienne. She doesn't want/know how to be a lady, but can't be a knight either. There are women who fight in Westeros, but apparently the Iron Islands are the only place where they won't be laughed at. And now Brienne is at a loss as to what to do.
I got tired of Cersei in this episode. All she did was feel sorry for herself.
WHERE ARE LITTLEFINGER AND SANSA GOING????
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Apr 15, 2015
What is the Lobster Party reference? I think I'm missing something...
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Apr 20, 2015
I hadn't get the reference either, thanks for asking!
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Apr 16, 2015
Early in the series, someone referred to Stannis as having the personality of a lobster, so I stuck with it!
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Apr 20, 2015
Cool, thanks!
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Apr 15, 2015
He didn't even wash his hands!

No one washes their hands in Westeros. I have a theory it hasn't been invented yet.
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Apr 14, 2015
At first, I thought the unsullied visiting the brothel was supposed to be Grey Worm (and I was freaking out about him being recast) because the whore kind of looked like Missandei (more so that the other whores anyway). Then I was freaking out about him being murdered! Then I was relieved to see him in the next scene.
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Apr 15, 2015
It was oddly moving to see a seasoned warrior wanting to be held, like a human being...even if it was by someone that pretended that she loved him.

Made the murder all the most monstruous to me.
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Apr 16, 2015
Yes, to see her standing over him apparently not just in cahoots with the killer but even in agreement with him felt (on his behalf) like the worst of the 'betrayal'... he knew the sympathy he'd paid for was false, but that was really the cherry on top.
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Apr 14, 2015
I wasn't impressed. I guess we can't be friends.

Sure, a lot of build-up and clearly lots of great and exciting things will happen, but I would have much preferred the show to come back with a massive bang and then use the next episode(s) to deal with the boring talking that needs to happen.
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Apr 14, 2015
I'm pretty sure Tyrion shot Varys a meaningful glance when he said 'him'. He anticipated this.
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Apr 14, 2015
Brienne is a really cool woman, but a really dumb and boring character.
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Apr 14, 2015
After waiting so long for this to be back on, I feel this was a letdown. Really nothing much happened, was a snoozefest and it pains me to say this as I truly love the show.
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Apr 15, 2015
I knew it would come back with a snoozer. Thats why I watched the first 4 episodes at once. It was worth it, because nothings worse than anticipation answered by disappointment.
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Apr 14, 2015
Yeah, they only killed the King of the wildlings, no big deal.

It's not like this might change the course of the war, ignite a revolt or anything.
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Apr 15, 2015
He's not dead ;)
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Apr 19, 2015
That's what HBO might want people who have read the books to think.
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Apr 14, 2015
And what about Lancel said to Cersei regarding the Robert Baratheon death?? About the wine and hunting? Did he mean that he and Cersei had a hand in Robert's death?
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Apr 14, 2015
Well, yeah, im pretty sure that came up in an earlier season? I know Varys hinted at it when Robert first died, Ned was suspicious, and Joffrey had a singers tongue cut out for singing about it - "the lion cut his balls off and the boar did all the rest". I thought Lancel confessed it to Tyrion already when he confessed he was sleeping with Cersei. In case you missed all those hints, ( not a spoiler here, it happened in first season) Cersei had Lancel make sure Robert had plenty of wine the day he went hunting so he would be fighting the boar drunk. Nobody made open accusations, because Robert liked to drink and as his squire, Lancel's job was to give it to him.
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Apr 14, 2015
It's either that or my first season DVDs have been lying to me all along.
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Apr 15, 2015
Haha, every now and then some one asks a question like that about something i thought had already been pretty firmly established earlier and my response is along the lines of "yeah, everyone knew that. I knew that. didn't everybody know that? Unless...wait, maybe it didn't happen and I'm the crazy one? Cos there was that scene where... and that other part when... did they actually openly say it, or was it all just wink wink nudge nudge and i guessed the rest? Dammit, now I've got to watch the first season again." :) I'd read the book first, some of the sneakier plots are made a bit clearer there :)
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Apr 14, 2015
I just learned something from the books that I do not want to know, and it was from a comment on here. I guess I will have to stay away from the comments this year. Those of you that are like me and choose to read the books after the series is over, beware!
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Apr 15, 2015
It's double edge now :D Since they've announced that from this season, show will not follow the books.
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Apr 19, 2015
Not so much, as there's still material from the 4th and 5th books to be used in the show: everything that happens in the Night's Watch and Jon and Sam, the Sand Snakes in Dorne, not to mention what happens to Arya and Theon and Danny and Tyrion. All of that is in the books already published. So it would be nice if people could keep those spoilers to themselves.
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Apr 14, 2015
I just learned something from Lancel I didn't want to see: he does not wear shoes at court.

Keep the mystery buddy, it's Tywin's funeral!
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Apr 14, 2015
"He's all business, no time for personality. And the one true king* taking up residence at the Wall was just what Jon Snow's story needed in a post-Ygritte world.
* Depending on your political stance, of course, but here, we're definitely part of the Lobster Party."

Hear hear! Good to read that.
I was a supporter of the Young Wolf but since his head and his body split I bent the knee to Stannis. He's righteous and as the remaining older brother he should have been king when Robert died.
Why did you have to break his boats, Tyrion??
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Apr 14, 2015
There's a very specific reason for the flashback in the books, I really hope they get to it in the show.
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Apr 14, 2015
Btw this thread needs more GIFs

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Apr 14, 2015
Where's the review for episode 2, 3 and 4 ?

Oh wait

:p
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Apr 14, 2015
I hope they don't waste a lot of screen time making Sansa a better, more likable character but if they have to then I hope she becomes the female Littlefinger so I can continue to hate her and then have Arya return, find out Littlefingers role in her families demise, see her sister as a traitor and kill both of them.

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Apr 14, 2015
Oh, you summer child! I stoppped hoping that the Stark siblings would see each other again about the day Robb was stabbed to death.

Arya's fate lies as far away as Bran's does, it's unlikely they'll ever return to Jon, let alone Sansa.
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Apr 14, 2015
Have you read the books? It determines the next thing I have to say.
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Apr 14, 2015
Just because the books aren't finished, I can't teleport the characters from different corners of their Universe.

The story suggests the pilot episode was the last time the Stark siblings ever were together, much like Ned and his own siblings.
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Apr 14, 2015
so, have you read the books? I just don't want to spoil anything for you before I responded.
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Apr 14, 2015
I don't recall Jon actually telling Mance the offer that Stannis made for the Wildlings to have land and freedon in exchange for their war loyalty.

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Apr 14, 2015
Mance should have screamed “Balenciaga!” Just before Jon Snow pierced his heart.

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Apr 14, 2015
I'm curious to know why they left out the last of the toads prophecies? They used the flashback as more of a summary and did not want it to contain foreshadowing? They don't plan on using that story plot at all? And to the author, why are you so sure the prophecy was referring to M Tyrell?
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Apr 14, 2015
She only really asked 2 questions, so I expect we'll be coming back to it.
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Apr 14, 2015
Pro-Brienne. I do hope that she's given more screen time this season and will be part of one of the stronger storylines.
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Apr 14, 2015
I see Brienne as the female Ned Stark that lived: her life doesn't have to be awesome, it just has to be (and I'll be fine with it).
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Apr 14, 2015
Ahh, I missed that opening sequence more than I thought. Apart from my one not-so-little quibble that unfortunately persisted as one of the poor tendencies from season 4 (the episode runtime once again clocking under 50 minutes, disregarding the credits and the recap), the premiere absolutely delivered. It's just that it could've been even better if they hadn't decided for some inexplicable reason not to include any proper scenes featuring Arya.

Leading in with a flashback was quite a novelty. And though the show did its utmost to adhere to the most unwritten rules (the girl's companion not shouting out her name until the very last second) of reveals, I doubt most people haven't guessed well in advance that we were following little Cersei - even if they were staying under the rock and not learning anything at all about the upcoming season.

Who would've thought that we might be given a reason to actually appreciate Stannis. Yes, he still wanted his ego stroked and his authority recognized by having Mance bow down to him, but at least he was willing to offer wildlings a fair deal and treat them honorably. That's more than most rulers in Westeros would ever consider. Whatever else he might be, he is also true to his word.
So it's too bad that Jon Snow failed to convince Rayder to give up his pride. While I understand Mance's seeming stubborness to an extent, it was very unsettling to watch a honorable man burn alive for the rightful cause he believed in (plus there goes another captivating actor...). That act of public mercy by Jon - as comforting as it was to see - will probably have some consequences down the line. The question is how major. At this point I would cheer at just about any development that finally frees Snow out of his Night Watch's bonds, oaths be damned.

It also looks like Dany's storyline might actually become interesting, what with the unruly dragons, hidden rebellion, and above all Varys & Tyrion heading down to meet her. At least she is trying to remain honorable. I'm just as curious about Margaery's plans, who is another crafty one.
I hope this new version of Sansa is here to stay, because all hints of causing any irritation might be gone along with this model. Cousin Lancel also deserves a shot-out, if only for that drastic change both in appearance and beliefs (and GoT deserves a commendation for remembering about a minor character from the past and shining more light on the whole "accident" of Robert Baratheon). I would like to see Illyrio, too.
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Apr 14, 2015
"And though the show did its utmost to adhere to the most unwritten rules (the girl's companion not shouting out her name until the very last second) of reveals, I doubt most people haven't guessed well in advance that we were following little Cersei - even if they were staying under the rock and not learning anything at all about the upcoming season."

I had guessed it was probably Cersei, but the fact that they'd never done any flashback prevented me to be 100% sure. The fifth season is a strange time to start introducing flashbacks/nonlinear storytelling.
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Apr 14, 2015
Strange indeed. It does feel like the series could've used some retrospections/flashbacks much earlier to flesh out a character or a few. But I suppose they've done alright without them so far.
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Apr 14, 2015
Oddly, the series is actually paralleling the books here- plus, it's kinda fun to see Cersei as a mini-monster.
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Apr 14, 2015
I cannot stand the new Daario. His accent was all over the place, just terrible. That is my only criticism of this show! Loved the premiere and can't way to go to Dorne next week! Also, any thoughts on Mance? Like holy, didn't see that coming!

I also did a review of my own, check it out here and burn one down:

http://mikeydislikesit.com/2015/04/13/game-of-thrones-the-wars-to-come-review/


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Apr 14, 2015
I did. The wildlings don't bend any more than Stannis does: someone was going to burn and it wasn't going to be the winning party.
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Apr 15, 2015
Did you read the books? ;)
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Apr 16, 2015
I saw last season finale: Mance was doomed the moment Melisandre stepped into wildlings territory.

Stannis is too stubborn to cave into something as simple as kneeling.
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Apr 13, 2015
cant wait to know about Bran and Arya!! i Cant wait to see him flying!!!!!
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Apr 15, 2015
Didn't i read some news about Bran not appearing in season 5?
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Apr 13, 2015
I am sorry but i couldn't stop for getting carried away with my imagination:

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Apr 13, 2015
From what I remember, season 5 will in fact busy itself with the remaining published books (that would be 4 and 5, which basically are one huge book because each book deals with different characters).

In fact, some storylines (Bran comes to mind) have already reached the point they reach in the books -and there's no Bran in season 5 to spoil people of the future developments.

The only thing I will mention is that, well, as you might predict, at the very epilogue of book 5, the message comes that "Winter" has come at last.

Which would be very logical to deduce considering that book 6 is called the Winds of Winter.

But be that as it may, regardless of whether book 6 is published soon or not, the series' season 6 will have to deal with winter.

At last, I say. Now someone get on whipping Martin so I can read book 6 before the series catches up to it!
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Apr 14, 2015
I'm thinking book 6 will be released right before season 6, so if that season takes material from that book only it's possible the show doesn't catch up with the books until the last season, in 2017.
Then again GRRM has said that books 6 and 7 will be huge (shocking, right?), so they'll have to find a way to fit whatever story elements they take from those two books in two seasons, unless they did put as-yet-unpublished stuff in season 5.
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Apr 14, 2015
I think you're probably right about the timeline. It seems likely the book will be finished this year, then give it some time for editing, and Spring 2016 seems reasonable. If that happens, I'll probably read the book first, then catch up on the show. The dilemma will be if it looks as if the book will be released just after the season 6.
I am expecting that they will do the season 7A & 7B thing, with maybe 7 episodes in each. But, it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of what is in the last two books never makes it to the screen.
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Apr 14, 2015
"I think you're probably right about the timeline. It seems likely the book will be finished this year, then give it some time for editing, and Spring 2016 seems reasonable. If that happens, I'll probably read the book first, then catch up on the show. The dilemma will be if it looks as if the book will be released just after the season 6."

Yes, if the book is published just after season 6 then it will be a real test of sheer strength of will because I too prefer to read the books first. Now those would be some looong weeks.
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Apr 13, 2015
So thrilled that GOT is back. The only person I feel bad for right now is Tyrion, poor guy, the whole thing might never have happened if Cersei n Tywin had realised that he was never at fault his mother's death. Besides, u'd think give Cersei is a mother herself she'd know if it were possible her mother would never change the outcome of Tyrion's birth. So no sympathy for the mother of the devil. May Joffery not rest in peace.
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Apr 13, 2015
Hate Dany, I know I do.
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Apr 13, 2015
I felt that the flashback was very important as it added to Cersei's motivations. Part of her plotting and scheming is to prevent the prophecy from coming true. Being usurped by a younger more beautiful woman would be a normal fear, but the level of scheming she goes to (in the books, we shall see on the show) goes beyond that. And seeing all your children die before you? Cersei's only redeeming quality is her love for her children. So I have no problems with the flashback. It helped flesh out some of the character.
Although, they left out one important part of the prophecy that could explain her feelings about Tyrion. It's one thing to not love him and blame him for your mother's death, but her visceral hatred for him is better explained in the book when part of the prophecy is that she will be killed by her younger brother. Of course, Jaime is younger than she is by a couple of minutes...
I'm curious to see how the show will handle this as opposed to the book.
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Jul 22, 2015
Yes, as esthermiller01 said, thanks for ruining that future plot point for those of us who haven't read the books. Sheesh what is it with you book readers who can't keep your pie holes shut about spoilers?
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Apr 14, 2015
Is there a reason that you had to spoil that for those of us that don't want to read the books and get ahead of the show?
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Apr 13, 2015
For the record Tim, Lancel is not Cercei's nephew, he's her cousin. Her only nephews are her children (!).
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Apr 13, 2015
And interesting way to enter into the season. But it is predictable, I can already tell what they are going to do with certain characters. Which is unfortunate because most of what they are going to skip over is character building in changing who the character was into who the character needs to be in order have the ending that should be desired. I understand it. I know that the average TV viewer has the patience of a sugared 3 year old. But I would still like to see growth in the characters. Which is lacking on the most part save for a select few.

One of those few is Sansa. She is going to be the shows character because she wasn't that well fleshed out the books. I don't think they are heading north. I think they are heading south. Robert Aryn needs a wife, it isn't going to be Sansa Littlefinger is saving her for him. My guess is that they are heading south, possibly to where Mycrella is and try to figure out an arrangement to strengthen his position and that would be to marry someone. Who knows.

Tyrion is the most troubling story. The runners of the seem to desire to have him deliver a speech every season. Which is fine, he does a good job at it. But in order to do that he is going to have to be sped to Dany as fast as possible so that he can deliver a speech to her. Fine, I get it. But he had a lot of character development and humility to go through that I fear they are going to skip. Which is unfortunate because that would lead the reader/viewer to understand that he is essential to the ending of this story.

The stuff at the wall was kind of standard. I have to wonder like Lccf said below if they are going to go down a certain story or not with what happened. I think they should because it was a good part of the books. But I am not sure. Time will tell.

The rest was all right. But clearly they haven't gone away from their desire for OMG moments.
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Apr 14, 2015
I am a tv viewer that has chosen not to read the books because I am enjoying the series. To insult those of us that wait a year to find out what happens next as impatient children is the ultimate of arrogance and the reason we dislike book readers like you.
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Apr 14, 2015
I am not insulting certain individuals. Are you and average TV viewer? If you don't think you are included in that then you're not. But TV writers and runners in present day with a few shows that are the exception, write and run their shows for the lowest common denominator tv watcher and those people don't have patience for proper story telling. The shows that disregard appealing to them, shows like Breaking Bad, Banshee, The Americans, POI etc are all just shows, with no books behind them, and yet they take their time to tell and show a proper story. It has nothing really to do with books. This is an important season for GoT, they could raise their game up and be considered one of the best or it can go the way of The Walking Dead, where most of the characters are as deep as a puddle.
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Apr 13, 2015
Cersei: nasty as a kid, nasty as an adult. And not very bright. I mean, seriously who wants to know their future and get bad news? What keeps us going is hope.

Sansa is really growing. She's the tallest is the picture. It's inevitable the kids will grow significantly between seasons.

I knew someone was going to kill Mance before he burned. I've seen that in movies and shows so many times.

Dany is bound to have many problems. She's radically changing cultures she barely understands using a very simplistic logic ("free the oppressed"). She's also making up laws as she goes along. That's not the way to legislate. She may think of herself as a divine creature, but she's not God.

Those dragons are real monsters now! I wonder how they managed to take them to the dungeon, since they were already pretty big and uncontrollable last season.

Tim's Game of Thrones review is the longest of his reviews. I guess the die-hard fans of the show are used to reading long volumes.
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Apr 13, 2015
This needs to be mention:


Don't dip your sword in crazy, Jon Snow.
Just. Don't.
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Apr 13, 2015
Well considering the last one put three arrows in him, it is kind of too late for that. It might be his type.
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Apr 14, 2015
Then again, there is kissed by fire and there's is kissed by fire.

I just don't think I could handle it with Jon any more than with Gendry, it's like that Melisandre woman is set on going after every man in Arya's life all the way up to Jaqen!
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Apr 14, 2015
Yea I would be cool with being kissed by both. But then I am a sucker for redheads.

I think Melisandre knows that all of the Starks are Wargs and she somehow knows that they are all going to serve a purpose in the war to come.
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Apr 13, 2015
( non-book readers, I'll try to stay vague, but you should really go away now ! ) I don't know if they kept the Mance twist from the books, but his scenes in this episode were so powerful part of me wishes they didn't, so nothing undermines them. Anyone else thinks the same ?
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Apr 14, 2015
I don't think the twist is in the show.
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Apr 13, 2015
I think this episode makes it ambigious as to whether they followed the book or not, we would obviously get a concrete answer later.
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Apr 13, 2015
They did they burned him, turn to a specific individual in the crowd. So you might be correct. However, it depends on what the writers want to do, it kind of seems that they like only a specific set of magic and not others.
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Apr 13, 2015
Yeah, when I saw Tormund's face, I was wondering ... " does he exchange glances with Mance just because he's furious to watch his king die, or because, in this version, he's the one who - CLASSIFIED ?" Glad to see I'm not getting paranoïd and you thought the same ... Can't wait to find out !
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Apr 14, 2015
Omigosh, can't believe i forgot about that! How stupid! My only excuse is i didn't see a certain distinctive someone there in the crowd...dammit. i have to watch again.
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Apr 13, 2015
Tyrion is awesome! But what is he doing on the southern isles? Ah, yes he stays alive and is swooped away by the aid of some allies.
Still, beautiful to be stuck in a crate for weeks...
Good thing they carried wine!

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Apr 13, 2015
Sansa would be an interesting character to watch this season. Will she be playing along with little finger just to ensure her own safety or will she be thinking of a way to avenge her family? Will she run away from little finger if she gets a chance and stay by his side to achieve glory with him?

I have no idea what she is thinking about?

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Apr 14, 2015
As far as the tv show goes Sansa will probably find out what littlefinger did to bring down her family. What awaits to be seen is if she'll use the skills that he gives her in being an undercover evil badass to bring him down, maybe sleep with him then kill him in his sleep with that knife, or will she realize that the good Stark way only led to weakness and will thank Littlefinger and have no interest in revenge only in power. I'm also curious to know what she'll do or how it will effect this story line if/when she finds out not all of her family is dead or all the way dead?
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Apr 16, 2015
I still remember the first season when she was just a teenage girl having her crush on Jeoffrey. After all she been through, it really could go either way.
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Apr 13, 2015
It seems, based on the conversation with Littlefinger that they are going to smarten her up. So my guess is that she is going to learn a lot from Littlefinger and then wait for the opportune time and do something to him. But I doubt it is going to be this season or the next or even perhaps the one after that. She has a lot of growing to do.
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Apr 13, 2015
Or perhaps by that time, she would have been influenced and her desire for power will be the first and foremost thing. Like I say...interesting.
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Apr 13, 2015
HBO should really just show two or three episodes next Sun !

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Apr 13, 2015
This is the opening episode so I do not expect it to be slower. I love the conversation between Varys and Tyrion. Tyrion himself is always a joy to watch but the two of them together is just excellent.

The scenes they shared would be one of those I always look forward to this season.

I am a fan of Dany, her faults and all so I am very glad it seems this season, there will be more focus on her.

Damn...! It seems so difficult to resist the temptation of watching all four episodes. I probably can delay it to one episode a day. Ha !
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Apr 15, 2015
I still haven't watched any further :-)
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Apr 16, 2015
All I can say is you have amazing self control. Ha !
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Apr 13, 2015
Oh, and I forgot - we don't know that the younger, prettier queen who is going to replace Cersei will be Margaery! That's obviously what she thinks, but it could be Dany.

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Apr 13, 2015
Or Sansa.
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Apr 14, 2015
Sansa wasn't even smart enough to snitch Casterly Rock when she had the chance, I seriously doubt she could marry into or conquer a throne quite like Margaery or Daenerys can.
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Apr 14, 2015
Oh, she's been very naive up until now, verging on stupidity. But, it doesn't seem completely impossible that, with her new mentor, she could end up as queen.
If Maggy's prediction is true about all of Cersei's children dying, (and assuming she doesn't mean of old age), then Margaery is probably a temporary stop-gap.
I'm not saying it will be Sansa, but just that it could be.
I'm ignoring the 'prettier' bit, as it's hard to tell which book characters are supposed to be prettier than each other. But it's probably not Brienne!
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Apr 13, 2015
Honestly, when Missandei asked Grey Worm why an Unsullied would go to a brothel, I kinda wanted Grey Worm to be like, "None of your business." I mean, really.

Someone has probably already pointed this out, but since I'm not reading the previous 100 comments - you missed the most important part of the flashback, Tim, which is where the fortune teller lady tells Cersei that she will have 3 kids, and they will all die. ("Gold will be their crowns, gold will be their shrouds.") And since she wasn't wrong about anything else she said, that's pretty important, because it's pretty much a guarantee that Tommen and Myrcella will be kicking the bucket.

The flashback is taken right out of the books, in AFFC, the same book we start getting Cersei's POV in for the first time, and I think it's pretty important to understanding her motives and her development from here on out. Curiously, the show left out one other thing the fortune teller lady tells hers in the books (I won't say, no spoilers :D), and it is also very important to Cersei's character, I think, so I'm wondering if they're going to reveal that last part at some point as well.

I doubt we'll be getting a lot of other flashbacks from here on out, as I can't think of any others that are really important that appear in the books, like this one does, but of course, the show is it's own animal, so who knows?
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Apr 14, 2015
someone's already spoilt it in the comments.
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Apr 13, 2015
On the prophecy, I think it seemed to stop very suddenly and I think only two questions were asked, depending how literal that was to be taken. So I agree that we'll likely re-visit the flashback later.
I think there's a possibility we may see the Tower of Joy in a flashback, maybe in season 7. It depends whether we ever meet Meera and Jojen's dad.
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Apr 13, 2015
What a lame episode, art wise. Editing was awful, so is camera work..everything looked so boring and no where the quality of previous seasons....
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Apr 13, 2015
"Varys is planning to play matchmaker between Tyrion and Dany, providing the Queen of Dragons with the mastermind she needs at her side."

Matchmaker or MATCHmaker? I presumed they were talking about having Tyrion take the place of what's his face (I can't remember names on this show) who was ousted as her advisor last season for spying on her for the Lanisters.

"Maybe Sansa's grown up a bit, but I also think she's gotten a lot smarter. She's learning to play the "game of thrones," and she couldn't have a better teacher than Littlefinger."


This all started for me at the end of last season when she covered for Littlefinger throwing her aunt through the mood door. That was an awfully impressive, off the cuff half lie.

Littlefinger & Sansa vs Dani and Tyrion...or better yet, a team up. That'd be AWESOME!
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Apr 13, 2015
Little finger have to be burn by the dragons some day.
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Apr 13, 2015
Ser Jorah I miss him. He was spying on her at first but I really believe he ended up loving Dany. I hope he will be given a chance to redeem himself.
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Apr 13, 2015
Thanks the bloke. Ya, I think his intentions were good (by and large), but still a pretty big self serving omission. Tough break, but if Tyrion takes his old job, I'm completely okay with it :)
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Apr 13, 2015
I agree. He does have Dany best interest at heart. I hope to see you him again.
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Apr 13, 2015
Goes to show you Dany's mercy. She could of easily chopped his head off for basically committing treason but she banishes him instead.
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Apr 13, 2015
I agree about Brienne. She was only ever really interesting when she was with Jamie. #freepod
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Apr 15, 2015
Don't know what to tell you, for me Brienne is the only ineteresting thing about Jamie.
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Apr 16, 2015
Jamie is a conflicted character with serious issues that need to be worked out. Brienne is loyal to a fault and that's all I can say about her as a character. Don't get me wrong the acting is good, she just needs something more important to do. IDK
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Apr 16, 2015
I agree that she needs more important stuff to do. But it is a whole lot easier for me to repond to Brienne than to Jamie's conflicted spirit. She is a grown up Arya.
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Apr 13, 2015
I kind of like her with Catelyn Stark, Magaery and Lady Olenna too.

But between Jaime and Renly, I'll always like her better with Jaime.
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Apr 13, 2015
Ha, ha! I love the Peter Dinklage Variety Hour! I'm so glad it has returned for another season. To wit: "Can I drink myself to death on the road to Mereen?"

Tim, no way it took Tyrion weeks to reach Pentos when he was crossing the Narrow Sea. Plus at the time of his arrival the other members of the Lannister clan were getting ready memorialize dead daddy Tywinn. If weeks has passed since his passing then the Maesters sure have incredible abilities in preserving corpses for that length of time. I would fathom a week has gone by which would have been plenty of time for guests and mourners to reach King's Landing.
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Apr 13, 2015
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Apr 14, 2015
I keep telling myself not to watch all 4 episodes, to wait, otherwise I have to wait 4 weeks for the next one. But now I cant anymore, now I need to know what is going to happen. Damn You XD

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Apr 13, 2015
Just some thoughts I was able to make more coherent overnight..

I can't tell (within myself) that I just kept thinking that since I never expected Mance to relent on his stance that Jon should just shoot him whether that was predictable or was it my experience with genre fiction reading that made me keep having that thought? I'm not super worried about consequences to this about Jon because even if the ass now in charge of the Night's Watch wants his head, I imagine the Free People view it as honorable and basically like him anyway and Stannis just basically shrugs and says that seems like something Ned would do. I imagine he envisions leaving Winterfell populated by the Wildings but be installs Jon as the North's Warden like Ned so he has someone trusted by the people but ultimately someone who will be cannon fodder. And seriously, I wanted to smack Melisandre with her little speech. Honestly before that, I don't know that Jon would have done it, he probably would but the whole thing was still very respectful until then. Her reaction to Jon's actions is probably some elaborate confirmation that he is whoever she thinks he is.

I don't really know what Dany expected with her dragons, I thought in the season finale that the catacombs were a poor choice. Like figure out how far back you need to set them up in your receiving chambers, they serve the threat but they get to see you everyday. You could measure out the length of their fire. I imagine she needs Drogos to come back and assist her in establishing dominance. I wonder how long it will take Varys and Tyrion to get to Mereen - it doesn't seem far.

I'm surprised Dorne didn't make it onto the opening credits yet.

Judging by the location that Podrick seemed to say that he and Brienne were, it sort of seems they could be heading toward the Wall, though I suppose Winterfell is in between there, otherwise, and I suck at telling direction, that could be the full introduction of Dorne into the world as opposed to just brief introductions. Its a fairly powerful place with people who are likely growing in their anti Lannister stance (I presume the note Baelish got was confirming Tywin's death and who did it or otherwise it was a note from Varys...actually, I'm going with that, a note from Varys and this is part of the plans as Varys has with him the one Lannister that the Martells don't hate heading toward a person who is, at the very least, gathering strength that could join with the Seven Kingdoms, Baelish has the oldest of the legitimate Stark children with him who he could probably marry off to some Martell prince who Sansa would be much happier with, they are likely aware of what is going on in the North and are fine with Stannis figuring that out until he has to be eliminated, and of anyone in the Seven Kingdoms, the two of them probably know Jon's real lineage - and honestly, that would end up being the thing I could most be mad at Baelish about since he loved Catelyn and likely was aware that she sort of tortured herself for just resenting Jon's existence and if the popular theory is true, Jon was simply Ned's nephew not his son and if he'd come home with that story, which he likely knew but lied because of who Jon's father would be, Catelyn likely would have welcomed Jon in because he didn't represent Ned's infidelity as she never seemed to dislike Theon but Jon would have been Lyssa's son and Catelyn seemed to respect her or at least her memory)
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