Game of Thrones "The Rains of Castamere" Review: Four Funerals and a Wedding

Game of Thrones S03E09: "The Rains of Castamere"

"The Lannisters send their regards." —Roose Bolton, handing Robb the worst wedding gift ever

It's typical to get a little misty at weddings, but this was ridiculous. No pat of a handkerchief could dry the eyes of Game of Thrones fans who attended last night's Red Wedding, one of the most suddenly savage and devastating pieces of storytelling filmed, printed, or told around a campfire. Readers of A Storm of Swords knew it was coming, but it didn't matter. Reliving the nightmare that I read about years ago opened up old wounds and watching it was even more painful than before. As for those of you experiencing the bloody betrayal for the first time, I am so, so sorry. Now you know why getting invested in Game of Thrones comes with the disclaimer, "Okay, but know that you are in for some deep, psychological trauma."

"The Rains of Castamere" was violent, horrifying, and depressing. It also happened to be one of the best episodes of the series, right up there with and arguably surpassing fellow episode-number-niners "Baelor" and "Blackwater." Crush all hope and make no mistake, Robb Stark and Catelyn Tully-Stark are dead. Killed at the hands of Walder Frey's men because Robb broke his oath to marry one of Frey's oily little girls, instead choosing to wed the fair maiden Lady Talisa. Robb couldn't have known that falling for Talisa would end up with hundreds of his men ambushed and slaughtered at his uncle's wedding, but this world has things like oaths and arranged marriages for a reason. Robb didn't just spurn a young Freyess or her decrepit old father (or grandfather), he spit in the face of a whole family line. And I don't know if you've picked up on this yet or not, but family lines tend to be pretty important in this show. Especially to that vile collection of dust Walder Frey, a man who procreates like he's on an assembly line. The Freys were a swing state, and when Robb didn't live up to his campaign promises, their allegiance swung over to the Lannisters. Those damn Lannisters!

Planning a wedding is tough work, but planning a wedding–communicating via birds, no less–where the groom's side is butchered must be even tougher. The amount of collusion that took place to pull this off was astounding. The Freys, the Lannisters, and now Roose Bolton (you are the worst, Roose) all plotted together to set up Robb and his men for a blow so crushing to the efforts of the North, that resistance to King Joffrey Baratheon may never recover. Game of Thrones makes every effort to show how rich it is with important, often violent, empire-shaping historical events, and The Red Wedding just happened to be one we were witness to. 

Aside from Robb's direwolf Greywind, who was turned into a crossbow pin cushion, I can't help but think that the person who got screwed hardest from all this was Catelyn Stark. While she probably didn't think it would come this far, Mama Stark knew Walder Frey would not take kindly to Robb's breaking of vows to give vows to another. Knowing Robb's place in the shifting landscape of Westeros, she pleaded with her son to make the right decision. Unfortunately, Robb just wasn't cut out to play this game of thrones. He wasn't able to suppress his humanity (i.e. throbbing hormones) to play the role of king-in-the-making, and it cost him much more than a crown. Robb was a good man, but he's got too much of his father Ned in him to be top wolf. Noble men like Robb and Ned make great Hands of the King, not actual throne-warming kings. To be a king in this world takes old-fashioned-rules-abiding-complacency and the impossible task of pleasing everybody, not silly notions like honor. But even Ned would have recognized the err in Robb's ways when he broke his oath to Walder Frey. As Rickard Karstark said, Robb lost the war when he married Talisa. Sure the two of them were "Hottest Couple" by Westeros Weekly, but couldn't Robb make a mistress out of her like all successful kings? 

While Robb's weakness for a pretty face was the impetus for The Red Wedding, it's too hard to blame him for ALL of this. Instead, let's point our blamey fingers where they deserve to go. Walder Frey orchestrated everything, but it's Roose Bolton who came out looking the worst. There's no denying Walder Frey got screwed over and perhaps if you look down into the deepest parts of your hearts, you can understand why revenge was on his senile old mind. But Roose Bolton fought alongside Robb. Roose's men shouted "King in the North." Roose was Robb's buddy! The Lannisters (and at this point we should be blaming Tywin, not Joffrey) wanted Robb dead, I understand that. Walder Frey was ticked off at Robb, I get that. But Roose Bolton's backstabbing which lead to frontstabbing was as dishonorable of a move as there could be. House Bolton, go jump off a cliff!

For all the shock and horror of The Red Wedding, can we also admit that the entire sequence was an incredible watch and masterfully put together? Its early ominous tone when Walder Frey paraded Talisa out before the attendees to publicly comment on the tautness of Talisa's package raised concerns that something bad might happen, but those worries diminished as other storylines became more dire. Then the wedding actually became a scene of celebration, with talk of baby naming foretelling a bright and prosperous future. And with the first notes of "The Rains of Castamere," the dark clouds of a shitstorm hovered overhead and when it hit, it hit hard. Talisa stabbed in the gut. Robb struck with arrows. Robb's men slaughtered where they sat, bellies still full of wedding feast. Greywind murdered before Arya's eyes. Catelyn taking Walder Frey's wife at knifepoint to bargain for Robb's life. Robb stabbed in the heart by Roose Bolton. Catelyn slicing the throat of Walder Frey's wife. The horror of seeing a weeping and utterly broken Catelyn stand motionless and defeated before having her own neck opened. And it was all punctuated by a cut to black and silence. You should feel sad, you should feel angry, but you should also be very impressed. 

One of my favorite A Song of Ice and Fire anecdotes came from an old coworker who told me about his experience reading The Red Wedding for the first time. At the end of The Red Wedding chapter, which ends just as savagely and suddenly as "Rains of Castamere" did, he literally threw his book in anger across the room with the intent to chuck it through the wall. He was furious, as I'm sure many of you are. After a few contemplative deep breaths, he leaped across the floor to pick the book up and immediately started reading again. This is one of the types of reactions that the best works of fiction should elicit, but because it's rooted in anger it's particularly unique. The fact that my friend could swear off the book forever and them immediately dig in for more is exactly what was supposed to happen. This is where it becomes so difficult for show watchers versus book readers. Whereas my friend could quickly pick up the book and jump back into the story, we can not start up Episode 10 to see what happens next. It will be a badly needed break for a few, and absolute torture for everyone else. Good luck with that. Keep hoping it was all just one of Bran's dreams.

Sure, the deaths of Catelyn and Robb are the talking points of "The Rains of Castamere," but let's not forget that the rest of the episode was fantastic. Before you take back your wedding gift for Edmure, let's talk about the rest of "The Rains of Castamere."


"You're very kind. Someday it will get you killed." —The Hound

Uninvited wedding guests Arya and The Hound continued to be delightfully at odds with each other as they made their way to The Twins. What's a road trip with someone without a few death threats? What attracts me to this relationship so much is the fact that despite outward appearances, they both know they need each other. Arya knew she was better off in The Hound's custody than on her own, and The Hound sees Arya as a coupon for a moneybag. 

But there are moments when things between them appear much more complex. There's a budding father-daughter-type relationship developing, obvious more in the way that The Hound treats Arya than vice versa. Just look at the way they share a saddle or how The Hound gently lifts Arya off the horse. Or the lessons in porcine cuisine from The Hound. 

And it's most noticeable at the end, when The Hound searches for Arya during the chaos of The Red Wedding to snatch her out of danger. He has a fondness for her that goes beyond her value as a trade-in chip even if Arya doesn't recognize it because the girl holds grudges like a Frey. We've seen this man abandon his king and army, but here he wouldn't abandon Arya for fear of the danger she'd find herself in. Yes, he had to whack her over the head to grab her, but there wasn't time to discuss what was best for her, especially when we know she would just act like a teenage daughter being taken off the family texting plan.

But it wouldn't be a discussion about Arya without talking about how miserable her luck was. There she was again, so close to being reunited with family only to see betrayal turn to murder. Despite Westeros' expanse, she was in the same zip code as the site of both her mother, brother, and father's murder. People have a habit of dying around this one, and if it weren't for The Hound's tardiness, she may have joined them. Is Arya slowly becoming the Angel of Death or does she, like her mother, just need a thousand-leafed clover to balance out her bad luck?


"You were right the whole time." —Jon Snow

Even with all the spectacular deaths, "The Rains of Castamere"'s biggest accomplishment might be making Bran's storyline interesting. Bran the Boring became Bran the Badass With Eyes Rolling Back in His Head. After weeks of talking about how special Bran was, we finally saw it when Bran mind-jacked Hodor to shut the oaf up while Jon Snow and his wildling buddies were outside Bran's hiding place. It's been a long time since two stories intertwined like this, but the payoff was thrilling.

It's almost as if the writers decided to hold back everything interesting about Bran for Episode 9, and here we saw several huge plot points develop in a matter of minutes. Bran warged into Hodor and the Direwolves outside of Dreamland, Jon was pegged as a traitor by the wildlings, Ygritte got dumped in the worst way possible (her dumped face was brutal), and Rickon had his longest scene ever. 

It was like atom-smashing Jon, Bran, and Rickon together to have them explode and head off in new directions. Jon is going where ever he's going (probably back to The Wall?), Rickon and Osha are heading towards safety, and Bran, the Reeds, and Hodor are moving north too look for a mutant bird. There are no Game of Thrones reunions, just near misses (see: Arya). 


"The city is yours, my queen." —Daario Naharis

Umm... how great was the ragtag team of a salty old knight, a lithe freed slave warrior, and the handsome underwear model? There wasn't a whole lot to digest in Dany's storyline this week, but it was tasty nonetheless. Compared to Dany's last city sacking, Yunkai went down rather easily. The plan was simple: Send in three badasses under the cover of night to kill everyone, and it worked! The fight scenes were fantastic, particularly the Jorah-Daario doubleteam on that one unfortunate Yunkaite. And Daario's late entrance to announce that the city was hers was wonderfully overdramatic. I get the feeling the putz (we all agree Daario is a putz, right?) was waiting around the corner listening for Dany to say with worry, "Where's Daario?" And then BAM! "Here I am, queen! Miss me much?" Flash that awkward smile and watch her melt.

What I really liked was Jorah's verbal takedown on Ser Barristan after Barristan volunteered to help them take the city. These two have been going back and forth for some time now, and Jorah used Barristan's own reasoning against him. "If we truly are her loyal servants, we do whatever needs to be done, not matter the cost, no matter our pride." Translation: "Stay back, old man. Jorah's got this."



WEEKLY POWER RANKINGS

Each week, I'll rank the episodes of Season 3 from best to worst. But remember, these are just my opinions! Feel free to post your own in the comments!

This week:
What can you say about an episode like "The Rains of Castamere"? The most anticipated episode of the series delivered, creating a whole new generation of fans that want to hunt down George R.R. Martin and strangle him. But this is what great storytelling does. It challenges its audience with myriad emotional states and leaves them powerless but leaves them asking for more. This was an hour that was so powerful it ruined people's weeks as the events of The Red Wedding continue to rattle around their heads. Unpredictable for those who didn't know what was coming, a painful reminder for those that did, "The Rains of Castamere" was like nothing you'll ever see again.


1. "The Rains of Castamere" (Episode 9)

The Red Wedding. But also Bran warged his way into Hodor and Ghost, Yunkai fell, and Arya almost made it to the wedding.


2. "And Now His Watch Is Ended" (Episode 4)

Jaime vomited horse pee-pee, Varys crafted a plot to derail Littlefinger's plan to marry Sansa, the Brotherhood Without Banners brought the Hound to trial, Dany got her army with a little trickery, and anarchy took over the Night's Watch. 

3. "Walk of Punishment" (Episode 3)

Dany concocted a plan to buy the Unsullied from their slave master and offered a dragon as payment. Jaime and Brienne found out that being untrue will cost them a lot more than their honor. Tyrion got a new job as Master of Coin, Catelyn attended her father's funeral, Hot Pie said goodbye to Arya, and Jon was headed to the Wall.


4. "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" (Episode 7)

Jon and Ygritte looked at a windmill, Dany brought her dragons to Yunkai and laid down some terms, Robb learned that he's going to be a father, and Jaime Lannister became Brienne's knight in shining armor. George R.R. Martin wrote this one.


5. "Kissed By Fire" (Episode 5)

Themes of loyalty and oaths were explored with the help of Bryan Cogman's excellent script, creating an episode unlike most. Jon and Ygritte went hot-tubbing in a cave, Jaime and Brienne went hot-tubbing in custody, and Stannis's dead babies went hot-tubbing in jars. 


6. "Second Sons" (Episode 8)

Tyrion and Sansa got married in one of the kingdom's most awkward unions, Dany and Daario showed each other what they have to offer, and Gendry got sucked on by Melisandre's leeches. 


7. "Valar Dohaeris" (Episode 1)

The season premiere found Tyrion wondering why he wasn't getting dap for saving King's Landing, Jon getting pledged into the Wildling fraternity, Davos pissing off his friend's girlfriend, and Dany shopping for an army.

8. "Dark Wings, Dark Words" (Episode 2)

We saw Arya, Jaime, and Bran for the first time in this season. But the most exciting parts of the episode were the introductions of the Queen of Thorns, Thoros of Myr, and the Reed super siblings. And we may as well mention that Joffrey got a boner from imagining Margaery killing things, that pervert.

9. "The Climb" (Episode 6)

Jon and Ygritte climbed a big ice cube, and Tywin got his way with the King's Landings marriages. Sansa cried, Edmure was betrothed to one of Walder Frey's daughters, and Gendry was taken away from Melisandre.




NOTES FROM THE RAVENS

– Maybe it's just because she's my favorite, but this face of Ygritte's was the hardest image for me to stomach. Everything just crashed down around her, poor girl. Not even a glance back from Jon.

– I liked how HBO's version of the Red Wedding managed to be even more heartbreaking than the book's. The addition of Talisa getting stabbed in the babymaker (she wasn't in the book) was an extra layer of suffering that made it that much harder to watch. Add to that Robb's much stronger presence in the series, and the book's depiction of the Red Wedding feels rather tame by comparison. It's going to be a bummer moving forward without Richard Madden, but he'll move on to other things and be a star, I'm sure.

– An extra special round of applause for all the actors involved in the Red Wedding, but a standing ovation for Michelle Fairley, who nailed the desperate grief of a mother who witnessed (what she thought might be) the last of her children murdered.

– Who caught the bouquet?

– The Blackfish had a well-timed piss to escape this whole mess, right? He made it out alive, didn't he?

– Let's not forget how funny this episode was, too. Arya knocked out that poor pig farmer to save his life, Edmure's facial expressions all night long were priceless, even Walder Frey had some hilarious lines in his own disgusting way. The Red Wedding will dominate everyone's memories of "The Rains of Castamere," but everything that led up to it was great.

– Congratulations to Edmure! Nice pull, man! Totally worth it. (I wonder what he'll say the next morning?)

– Are you mad? Sad? Glad?

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Mar 14, 2015
I've never replied before and I just started binge watching the series a week ago but, i LOVE your reviews. They are equally as fun to read as it is to watch the episodes. And I mean that sincerely. I laughed out loud, literally, last week at the big ol cake of beef dream boat comment. And the fact that you used "hold grudges like a Frey" was everything this week. I am in such shock about this episode, I almost don't want to watch the next one. But I will, and i. cannot. wait!
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Jun 01, 2014
Well, this thread is almost about dead but I can't help saying after months of this episode being released that BOY, was this fucked up. Fuck.
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Sep 09, 2013
I read the books and knew what was coming... but had to wait a LONG time to see it... like as in I just watched a few hours ago! And I managed to avoid every spoiler after hearing that viewers were shocked as I was expecting those who hadn't read the books to be shocked. If I had only known how graphic they were going to get in killing Talisa off I would have skipped the scene. I expected it to be down right gory, but not THAT horrific. I'm not mad at George, I'm mad at the writers, director and producer. Even for cable that was way out of line and over the top. I was also disappointed when Kat did not go mad after Roose stabs Robb in the heart. Her scene in the book is so much more and the amazing actress who plays her got shorted. The tv version just didn't set things up right for what's to come either. I also expected a much bigger show of the dire wolf head on Robb's body in the season finale. The fact they choose to show Arya seeing all this when she does not in the book was annoying. All in all I thought the betrayal of Ygrette by Jon and her anger and hurt in the season finale to be the best scenes of both episodes. You know how much they're in love, but it's star crossed and they did the book justice in portraying the complexity of this. Being on season 4! I'm looking forward to seeing how they portray the royal wedding!
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Aug 23, 2013
Maybe its because of his good manners, maybe because he doesn't get drunk or because he treats women with respect - even if he did leave Brienne and Lady Catelyn to his minions - but I can't stay mad at Roose Bolton.

I've never heard him shout like Tywin, he's not a vulgar like Frey, he never loses his temper like Karstark; Bolton is the kind of gentleman that stabs you in the front, never forgets to send someone's regards and be polite regardless the circumstances. If anything, I'm mad that I can't be mad at him.

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Jul 13, 2013
Regarding the first poll about who I am the maddest at, I have to say Robb. He let his lust get in the way and in a world where marriages are treated as alliances and as he who shall be king (even if just of the North), he should understand that. All the other characters involved in the massacre had strong motives to do what they did (for family, for security and for honor) but the only reason that Robb had was that he wanted to marry a girl and went against his mother to do so. If Catelyn held an iron fist as strong as Tywin Lannister, Robb would never have dared disobeyed, saving all his men from this bloodshed. I don't blame Catelyn though, for the Tullys are strong advocates for family and she did the best she could as a mother and supported her son.
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Jul 11, 2013
Over a month later and I still can't think about this episode without getting emotional.
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Jul 04, 2013
Okay I just got back from Cyrus and watched the episodes. I read the books, so I knew it was coming. I even knew episode 9 would be the Red Wedding because in the book "A Storm of Swords" which was the book in which the Red Wedding took place, "The Rains of Castamere" was played just before the carnage started, so I knew it was happening, I knew when. I still wasn't prepared to watch Grey Wind, Catelyn or Robb die. Talisa was a replacement character for Jeyne Westerling originally and Jeyne Westerling was never pregnant and never went to the Red Wedding. So I wasn't too disappointed to be honest. However, I was all heartbroken by Robb's death. Then Grey Wind's Death just broke my pea sized heart, and Catelyn's death was so... sudden? I knew it was coming, I knew it would happen, but still... I was so angry. But that was my reaction when I read it in the book too. This episode was everything I expected it to be. In fact it was epic and I loved it. But I still hated it too. Anyways, I'll go and read the next review and have my say there too. LOL!
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Jun 17, 2013
This was totally devastating. I had a massive headache after this episode. Thankfully, I learned to watch episode 9 and 10 together although I was ready to give up on the show. A cup of tea, does wonders for the soul. I toyed with the idea of reading the books but I'm not sure, I could cope.
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Jun 12, 2013
Spoiler alert! Are you sure Catelyn is really dead?
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Jun 10, 2013
I'm devastated.
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Jun 09, 2013
There's no use: a week later and I'm still mad at Walder Frey.

I don't think I'll ever get over it.
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Jun 09, 2013
it's almost cruelty that we have to wait for another year to watch GOT again sob*sob, when I saw the episode the first time during the minute of silence with Catelyn Stark I have the same reaction and I think 15 minutes after the show I'm shocked thinking WTF just happened and it's not even finale yet!
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Jun 09, 2013
There was an episode of The A-Team that I think will turn out to have been an inspiration for the opening scene of the finale. There was something similar in The Unit.

The episode will open with slow motion highlights of The Red Wedding over a Rains of Castamere backing. After Catelyn's throat is cut, we see Catelyn and Robb back at Robb's planning table. "And that's why we shouldn't count on the Freys for support", he says.
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Jun 09, 2013
The rating for the episode is 8.8. But during Sunday/Monday it was 9.8. That was the justice rating, too many people giving it low score just because they can't handle the shit.
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Jun 08, 2013
Six days later and I'm starting to think: it may be a firm tie between The Bear and the Maiden Fair and The Rains of Castemere for my favorite episode.
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Jun 08, 2013
Did you catch Jon Stewart's GOT moment? Either Tuesday or wednesdays show....he's talking about some new flu in Asia that's killed 30 people. Unimpressed, Jon says, "30 deaths? That's it? There's more than 30 deaths at yer standard GOT wedding!".

Or words to that effect. I'm paraphrasing....
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Jun 08, 2013
Who will be left to take the iron throne.....danni ...by the time she gets her mighty army across the sea all the Starks will be dead... And the lannisters and barrathians will have killed each other to win the throne....lol...she will just walk in and take a seat...
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Sep 09, 2013
Sort of a spoiler, but not exactly... the books are not finished yet so those of us who read GoT don't even know yet! If fact we're all in the edge of our seats because book 5 ends with a dany cliffhanger. And Gendry's character is different in the books, but it doesn't rule him out. Plenty more deAths and surprises to come for viewers and readers alike I'm sure as George has approved some story line changes that keep even readers shocked!
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Jun 08, 2013
I'm just hoping Gendry survives the season (he's not exactly a Baratheon, but his uncle is not exactly protecting him either).
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Jun 09, 2013
And no Lannister should sit in the Iron Throne IMO.
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Jun 07, 2013
Dang. Arya's list of names to mumble to herself before she goes to bed every night just doubled. GRRM, you better deliver some retribution!!!
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Jun 07, 2013
I just read a little bit of the books (with the help of an audio book)
especially the red wedding scene
boy everything is really long and boring and does not have the same impact
as a tv show
no wonder the book reader find it easier to accept the death of Robb and Catelyn
the book is so dull they can kill everyone and I would not even notice


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Jun 10, 2013
EEhmm ... no
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Jun 07, 2013
Wow. It's rare when I watch a tv show and sit there in silence struggling with the emotions that it made me feel. I read the book before seeing the show and as above, felt somehow cheated of some of the only truly respectable characters in the story. Game of Thrones shows that fantasy need not simply be a series of camp adventures of a group of heroes (though a lot are simply that!), but can also be real complex stories about believable characters. It was an astounding episode, incredibly acted and very much in the vein of numerous historical tragedies that revel in such unhappy endings. I have to say, I've been very impressed by the directors, producers and HBO in general for keeping so closely to the books and not shying away from potentially audience losing events such as Ned's death and the Red Wedding. Outstanding tv and I cannot wait until the next episode!
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Jun 06, 2013
To all those who hate Catelyn I say there is no better role model for women
brave wise honest and noble
To all those who I hate Robb I say there is no better role model for good king
A King that does not play the dirty game (which is exactly what makes a good king)
nobel strong decisive honest caring for his people
and for G G Martin I say Go To Hell
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Jun 08, 2013
You do remember Lady Catelyn's treatment of Jon Snow?

Robb Stark a role model for a good king? The King who cuts his own man's head (Lord Karstark) for killing couple of Lannisters?

The Starks were dumb folks and they died of their stupidity.
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Jun 08, 2013
Jon Snow was a constant reminder of Ned Betrayal
(Frankly he is so boring I don't care if he dies)
Having some bad feeling for someone does not make you a bad person
doing bad things make you a bad person
Robb Stark killed a man who killed innocent small children
just because their lannisters does not mean they have to die
(May I remind you that Tyrone is a lannister as well)
I agree he made the mistake of killing him and not locking him up
but Robb is still a good king
let consider his rivals Joffrey,Stannis,Dany,Bylon and the king beyond the wall
with the exception of Dany which I know some of you consider to be good
(I personally don't like her and again they could kill her of and I would not care)
and the fact that we don't really know nothing about the king beyond the wall
Robb is the only good choice (unless Tyron becomes take the Iron throne but than Robb can still be king of the north)



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Jun 08, 2013
Catelyn betrayed her own son Rob when she freed the Kingslayer

Rob sent 2000 innocent men to their death just to capture Kingslayer

and about the rivals, no one can play this game honorably and win it
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Jun 08, 2013
Catelyn was thinking of her daughters she made a mistake
Robb was in a war and in war people die I am sure he did it with a heavy heart
you can win the war without playing the game
(Robb was on his way of winning in season 2)
if it was not for G G martin sadistic view of life
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Jun 07, 2013
How is someone who breaks their word a good role model?
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Jun 07, 2013
Nobody is perfect( Even the great King Arthur made mistakes)
He was in love and let us not forget Robb did not actually break his word
since his mother gave it for him with him even being present
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Jun 08, 2013
Robb agreed to the deal and broke his word. Cat only brokered it to get him what he wanted - his troops crossing at the Twins. Robb blew it on so many levels... including indulging in romance in the middle of a WAR while his troops were away from their families, and risking the North as a whole by breaking his vow.
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Jun 08, 2013
He did not actually gave his word himself
and can you really compare breaking a word to the horrible things Joffrey did or Stannies
He is a good king and did not deserve the death G G martin plan for him
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Jun 06, 2013
In Westeros......as in your town......and my town...........
Shit happens!!!!!
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Jun 08, 2013
And this is why Thrones is not fantasy made for children: it's the death scenes, not the sex scenes.
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Jun 06, 2013
Has anyone ever wondered Why??? that The God Of Many Faces ,Jaqen ,who could easily grant Arya's wishes , and could also be her only saviour in the later part of her journey, was so easily captured , locked in the cage and sent to Harenhal?
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Jun 06, 2013
Perhaps he wasn't captured EASILY.
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Jun 06, 2013
At the end of season two, there was an army of White Walkers heading......somewhere. Where the hell are all those dudes? Did they get lost out there?
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Jun 06, 2013
Considering Sam fought one off the episode before this one, I'd say they are pretty much all around.
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Jun 06, 2013
Ok, yes. But where's the collected army of Z's? Maybe we'll find out Sunday?
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Jun 06, 2013
Why doesn't George Martin use twitter? Because he already killed 140 characters.....
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Jun 05, 2013
I new it was coming, just didn't think it would be to that degree..maybe just Talisa, but not Robb and Cat.

There are so many loopholes that I wish was closed before they went out like that. Like, maybe them knowing Bran and Rick are alive, or seeing Sansa and Arya again, or maybe a little revenge on the Greyjoy's, or even Cat telling Snow, 'I'm sorry'. Or even a little revenge against the Lannester's somehow, and also maybe even see Baelish 'Littlefinger' get his, for his part in it all. But no, they gets nothing! Nada!!

And Arya, she was so close- she was right there. One good thing is the poor girl girl didn't have to witness the slaughter like she did with her dad. That would have been cruel. But she was so close, almost like she did witness it.

Wow, this author does not like killing bad guys 'Lannisters'. At least take one out at some point. Even though I am growing more fond of his character, but why is Jaime still alive?

Hopefully now, all the naivety has been depleted from the Stark's blood, and that we may see true anger from the few that are left.
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Sep 09, 2013
Surprises await! Main would rather torture Lannisters, and you might be surprised by what the remaining Starks do ;)
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Jun 05, 2013
Well, now after the Red Wedding shock has somewhat passed, I can say that the rest of the episode was pretty darn good as well!
Osha made me emotional with what she said to the Reeds before departing with Rickon, and Ygritte did too when Jon had abandoned her.

Actually, this episode was full of great facial acting - Jorah's face when Dany asked for Daario, Arya's face when she looked away from the Hound and towards the Twins, Ygritte's face when Jon rode off, Robb's face when he said "mother", Cat's face when she was begging lord Frey...

I believe they have assembled quite a fascinating group of actors. The only not so good ones in my opinion are Shae and Gillie (or Fillie, whatever Sam's girl is called in the show).
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Jun 05, 2013
Agreed. Particularly Jorah's face when Daenerys asks for Daario and Edmure's faces throughout the wedding.
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Jun 06, 2013
Right! I forgot Edmure's faces! They were priceless!
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Jun 05, 2013
KahThe moment none talks about had the biggest impact one me. Apart from the Red Wedding ofcourse. When former Second Sons lieutenant Daario offers Daenerys Targaryen a decorated cloak to wear and utters the words 'the city is yours my queen' . In this moment Daenerys vile thoughts about men (prior memories as forced marriaged, deception by Qarths merchants, mockered by Astapori leaders, mockered again by Meereens leaders) is for afew minutes washed away and her expressions shows such pride and respect for Daario, who fought loyalty for her side to claim the city even that she doubted his true intentions the whole time.
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Jun 05, 2013
One of the most important questions and perhaps Tim should set up a poll for it..... Who shall be the LAST to sit on the Iron Throne once Martin decided to call it a day for the entire series?
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Sep 09, 2013
more importantly will there be an Iron Throne to be set up on in the end?
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Jun 05, 2013
I'm thinking Tyrion Lannister, if this means Sansa is going to be a Queen so be it (Margaery will always be "the" Queen as far as I'm concerned).
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Jun 05, 2013
I was putting the whole thing behind me then decided to read the review. The quality of the review wasn't enough to stop the pain from coming back. This episode was brutally amazing. Some of the best television I've ever seen.
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Jun 05, 2013
Three days later and I'm starting to focus on the living: what would happen to Edmure after he consumates his marriage, or the Blackfish Tully once he comes back from the bathroom.
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Jun 06, 2013
Both Tully men are gonna have their hands full. But the Freys better watch out for Blackfish, who's probably gonna want to start cleaving Freys, starting with "wet shit" Walder.......

And Roslin Frey might set a world record in terms of the time she takes from going from bride to widow........it might well be less than an hour! Unless Edmure.....well, poor Edmure is going to be rather vulnerable, I'm afraid......
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Jun 05, 2013
One of the best episodes of a show EVER!! This is how a TV Show is made folks! There is not much more to add as EVERYTHING about this episode was pure AWESOMENESS and HEARTBREAK. From the moment the Lannister music came on and one of Frey's men went to lock the door I knew it was about to go down, but that didn't stop my stomach from tying into knots as Catelyn realizes whats about to go down. Everything in this episode was great: Catelyn's pleas to Frey to release Robb, Talisa getting stabbed multiple times in the belly :( Arya being 100 yards away from her mother and brother as they were being slaughtered, Jon Snow admitting he is still a crow and abandoning Ygritte (her face when Jon left her was so sad), Jon being 50 feet away from his little brothers and not knowing, and then Catelyn finally just giving in and allowing them to slit her throat. I didn't read the books but spoiled myself on what was going to happen at the Red Wedding. Even though I knew the outcome it still doesn't make the impact any less devastating. The Starks cannot catch a break in any way. I can't wait for the finale next week.
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Jun 05, 2013
I think Jon had to know that his brothers were close. Their dire wolves were helping him win his battle. One was watching for Bran and the other was attacking. And then he goes ridding off.
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Jun 05, 2013
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Jun 05, 2013
I try to focus on their legacy. To me, Osha and the boys are Robb's legacy, same as Jaime & Brienne are his mother's legacy.

As long as they are on the show, a part of Robb and Catelyn lives on.
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Jun 05, 2013
I can agree with that!
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Jun 05, 2013
Yes, the days are passing too slowly until next Sunday! I read the ratings were down a bit for last week's episode because there was a two-week delay and they didn't advertise it too much so as not to give anything away beforehand. But I'll bet the ratings for next week will be sky high. Even Jon Stewart made a joke about the Red Wedding last night!
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Jun 05, 2013
It was one of the best episodes of television I have seen. Everything was on point, and every actor hit their mark perfectly. Sunday can't come fast enough!
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Jun 05, 2013
Agreed! Instead of "ratings," I should have said "viewership" or number of viewers was down last Sunday. I will be interesting to see what the numbers are for the finale this Sunday.
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Jun 05, 2013
can dany not sleep with daario just cos he's too ugly...please please please :(....
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Jun 06, 2013
Ugly or not, shit is goin DOWN....or dany is. I knew he was gettin some when he stated his "two joys" of life.

Like I previously stated...BOW CHICKA WOW WOW
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Jun 06, 2013
yes...it is going down....sobs....he's just not good enough for Dany!!!!!!
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Jun 06, 2013
Sure he is.......he's Daario Naharis!
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Jun 05, 2013
Already knew about the devastating scene before I watched the episode..it was beautiful but so vicious and brutal. But it was the scene where Greywind was killed that really got to me :( SADDDDD!!!!!

Yes..Daario is a putz and not an underwear model by any means....however I think a team of Ser Jorah, Grey Worm and the putz would be the best RPG team ever!!!!
Can't wait for the finale
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Jun 05, 2013
Here's another question for Tim Surette: I like your reviews, they're funny and insightful, but I just started reading them recently. So you've probably already answered this question, please forgive me for being repetitive. The question is: can you have a separate section for people to comment who have read the books? It's fun for us to compare the books to the TV show but understandably NOT fun for the people who have not read the books. I also think it's not at all fair to non-book-readers for us to make comments about the books because at some future time they will probably want to read them and should not be told everything that's in them beforehand. I have looked at a couple of other sites for book readers to comment on the TV show but, geez, I don't have time to read "graduate-level dissertations" on a TV show, which is what you often find on those sites. Also, I find that in general you have a nice group of people commenting on your site, compared to some others I've seen. There are no super-grumpkins here, and I greatly appreciate that.
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Jun 05, 2013
i am disgusted................
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Jun 05, 2013
Gee Tim puts up a poll about the Red Wedding and then misses out the guy who actually caused it. With a show as morbid as this incomplete polls could cause nervous breakdowns. And this guy had more than one death in mind, didn't he.
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Jun 05, 2013
I haven't read the review 'cause I got bored with the episode and didn't watch the last 10 minutes. Did anything important happen?
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Jun 06, 2013
Haha oh my gosh. Thank you for making light of this! Desperately needed the humor after such a grisly episode.
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Jun 05, 2013
nop... just a wedding...

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Jun 06, 2013
Yeah, as far as wedding receptions go, this one got going for a while, then the liquor kicked in for those Frey boys, and well......those guys are just ugly drunks.
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Jun 05, 2013
I read the book 2 years ago and STILL can't believe "The Red Wedding." Martin is an evil mastermind!
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Jun 05, 2013
Catelyn's desperation when she was bargaining for Robb's life and then her reaction in seeing Robb stabbed hit me in the gut so hard. I'm a mom and I have sons, too. The Red Wedding messed me up. I still can't get over it!
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Jun 05, 2013
Your poll is flawed. I'm most angry at Robb and Talisa for being naive jackasses and thinking they'd just apologize, marry off some random uncle who's not a Stark, and everything would be hunky-dory. Roose and Frey were just assholes being true to their own nature.
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Jun 05, 2013
That goes for Cat also, and naivety runs in the family.. Ned Stark anyone!
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Jun 05, 2013
I Completely agree! This was a well deserved end for a bunch of gullible morons... Since the beginning the Starks have had to deal with treason at every turn and they just never learned their lessons.
At what point wouldn't you start walking around with more soldiers than anybody else in a room? No way I would have gone in a castle leaving my army out of reach without checking everybody first. Anyway I'm only sad for Arya and her little brothers, I'm really rooting for Dany to not make a stupid mistake at some point and just burn the seven kingdoms to the ground.
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Jun 06, 2013
You're underestimating the ritual of bread and salt. The tv show needed to do a better job of showing its importance and significance.
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Jun 05, 2013
Ever thought that Talisa was actually a spy. Having her absent in the book and later learnt she was having Robb's baby. Yet she too was killed so brutally...kind of cruel actually.. bless the Starks..
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Jun 05, 2013
Ok, it has been two days ago, that i have watched it...and it is still in my mind!!! I am still like OMG WTF OMG WTF!!!! what a scene..!!!!!!!!
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Jun 05, 2013
Seems this author only likes killing good guys!
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Jul 11, 2013
He kills the bad guys too (just remember those three guys with Osha two seasons ago). But losing the good guys its twice as tough!
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Jun 05, 2013
Oh, just keep watching :P
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Jun 06, 2013
You don't think that's a spoiler......but it is! Book people, stop being cute with your "non spoiling spoilers". They suck!
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Jun 07, 2013
I never said soon.
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Jun 06, 2013
How come is this a spoiler?! I haven't given out any information about what is going to happen or ruin any plot line what so ever! And with so many characters that are "against" the Starks it would mean any random character might die in the future.

The whole "he only kills good guys" and "he hates the Starks" drama is just too much and it's everywhere and it's prejudice.
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Jun 08, 2013
Sorry. I can't dish out spoilers. I've not read the books and I have no idea what's gonna happen next! I couldnt spoil milk!
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Jun 08, 2013
Dude, Berhohl, below you just gave us a far more explicit spoiler than Milaneh!! At least Milaneh was vague!
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Jun 07, 2013
Well, you just informed us that a "bad guy" is gonna get killed....and soon. Wink, wink. I'd call that......a spoiler!
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Jun 05, 2013
very rare that I like the series more than the books but seems like HBO are getting it right! Only other example I can think of off top of my head is the Walking dead.
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Jun 06, 2013
I think you can only, up until now, compare Spartacus´s "Kill them all" to the "Red Wedding" Episode. "Kill them all" was as awesome as the "Red Wedding".
Spartacus was a great original-TV-Series with twists and turns and devious plots, whereas GoT is based on a Book.
So the here often mentioned title of "Best TV Show ever" should actually go to Spartacus, but GoT is the by far best adaption of a Book. So yeah, you are right, HBO is getting it right! :)
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Jun 07, 2013
Spartacus was awesome! Kill them all build up to action was less explosive... Red wedding was done very suddenly so awesome in a different way. Love how Spartacus was very OTT and entertaining.

Andy Whitfield (RIP) and Liam McIntyre (Job made harder by having to follow Andy) were both awesome. This could go into adaptations too from the historical accounts we have I guess...

Not sure I have a best TV show ever.. I have rewatched Band of Brothers loads of times (which thinking about it is another great adaptation!!! doh!). Guess I have to say I can think of 4 great adaptations now! maybe not so rare then haha!
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Jun 05, 2013
I knew it was coming and it still killed me!!!!!!!!!!!
I hysterically cried and walked around the house saying "WHAT? WHY? WHAT?"
All 3 are reasonable questions.
GOD DAMN YOU GEORGE RR MARTIN, DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jun 05, 2013
"A Dothraki wedding without at least three deaths is considered a dull affair".
So Red Wedding was actually hell of a party.
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Jun 05, 2013
WILL THIS THREAD REACH 1500 COMMENTS?
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Jun 05, 2013
Anyone else catch our khaleesi eyein out Naharis?

Just thought I'd put it out there. Almost felt like she was disappointed it wasn't just the two of them in their little tent.

BOW CHICKA WOW WOW
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Jun 05, 2013
Of course she did. Why do you think Ser Jorah had such a sour-puss face the whole episode?
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Jun 05, 2013
i always go with BOW CHICA BOW WOW myself
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Jun 05, 2013
Thoros of Myr ... love his work with Beric Dondarrion.
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Jun 05, 2013
Watching other tv shows the last couple of days has been frustrating. They all seem so lacking in substance and I'm having trouble concentrating. I can't stop thinking about THAT SCENE!!
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Jun 05, 2013
My initial thoughts about the show was that we'll see the kids grow up into adults, I really thought at the start of season 2 we would see a "10 years later" thing... but it didnt happen... i'm sure around season 7 or 8, these kids will be adults and the Starks will reign supreme again. Or dragons will burn everything.. well see...
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