Why It's a Big Deal Game of Thrones Just Hinted Jon and Daenerys Will Have Children

Game of Thrones has been trying very hard this season to forge -- some may say force -- a romantic connection between Jon Snow (Kit Harington) and Daenerys Targaryen (Emilia Clarke), two people viewers know to be nephew and aunt, though they themselves are currently unaware. Unfortunately for Game of Thrones, the accelerated pace of the show's shortened seventh season has done little to support this twisted love story.

Ice and fire first met in the third episode of the season, "The Queen's Justice," and have shared only a handful of scenes together in the episodes since. There doesn't appear to be much of a real spark between the two -- Tormund (Kristofer Hivju) and the Hound (Rory McCann) had more chemistry this week than Jon and Dany have had all season -- but series creators David Benioff and Dan Weiss are as committed to Jon and Daenerys' ill-advised pairing as Euron is to his favorite eyeliner, and Sunday's episode "Beyond the Wall" doubled down on it by heavily hinting the two may eventually have children together.

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A child born to Jon and Daenerys would potentially solve the pesky problem of an eventual successor that Tyrion (Peter Dinklage) was worried about this week -- we're still holding out for a democratic Westeros ourselves -- but to understand why this foreshadowing could be a major moment for Daenerys individually, we must revisit something that happened to her years and years ago.


When Dany's husband Khal Drogo (Jason Momoa) was wounded and the vengeful witch Mirri Maz Duur offered to heal him, Daenerys' unborn son Rhaego became the blood price to save Drogo. He was stillborn, while Drogo was left in a vegetative state. When Daenerys asked when Drogo would be as he once was, the witch told her: "When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before."

The series left out the part about Daenerys' womb quickening, but this prophecy is why Daenerys told a recuperating Jon her dragons were her children while mourning Viserion's untimely death at the hands of the Night King. "They're the only children I'll ever have," she said. "Do you understand?"

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What is important here is that Daenerys believes she will never bear human children -- and she's certainly had sex since Drogo's death and not yet borne a child, so it may very well be true that she cannot bring a human life into this world. But Daenerys' words this week were also a confession to a potential partner, who up until very, very recently -- like until Jorah (Iain Glen) brought up Jon's legacy earlier in the episode -- never even thought seriously about having children of his own.

Early on during the show's run, Jon shared with Sam (John Bradley) his concerns surrounding having children of his own with regards to the possibility of bringing another bastard into the world. Thanks to Gilly's (Hannah Murray) dedication to reading seemingly mundane journal entries, we now know that Jon is not a bastard: his father Rhaegar Targaryan -- Daenerys' brother -- secretly annulled his marriage to his first wife so he could wed another. All signs point to this woman being Jon's mother, Lyanna Stark, which would not only make Jon legitimate, but also give him a stronger claim to the Iron Throne.

Of course, Jon would have to care about ruling the Seven Kingdoms for that to matter much. Shortly after Daenerys' confession about being infertile in "Beyond the Wall," Jon metaphorically bent the knee -- he was wounded and lying down at the time -- and pledged his loyalty to Daenerys after admitting his trip north of the Wall may not have been the brightest idea in the world. As Tormund not so subtly hinted to Jon, there are more important things than pride, and Jon knows that the only way to defeat the White Walkers and their army of the dead is to have the living work together.

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But should Jon and Daenerys have a child during all this "working" together, it would be a child born of incest, which could cause significant problems for the two. Seeing what Cersei (Lena Headey) went through to protect her children with Jaime (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau), we can only imagine the political issues that would arise from the birth of a Targaryen child born of incest. But then again, this would be a child born of ice and fire, something the series has never seen before.

Still, Game of Thrones doesn't seem too concerned about the deeper character narratives the series focused on during its first six seasons, so maybe it is possible we'll just skip right over the awkward moments regarding this problematic union and (potential) pregnancy and go straight for Jon teaching the youngster how to ride a dragon and brood at the same time. Given how quickly Dany arrived north of the Wall this week, we're pretty sure anything can happen.

Game of Thrones airs Sundays at 9/8c on HBO.

This article originally appears on TV Guide.com.

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3 days ago
I hate to state the obvious, but isn't she his Aunty.
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Sep 15, 2017
How many weeks is this story going to be the top one on the main page?
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Sep 14, 2017
So Nice.
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Sep 01, 2017
"we're still holding out for a democratic Westeros"

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Sep 01, 2017
I don't get it why everyone is so worked up about "a Targaryen child born of incest". If you read the books and from past episodes, you would see that Targaryens used to marry a lot within their bloodline, so it is not a strange thing for a Targaryen. It might have been for a Stark or some other house but not for a Targaryen.
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Aug 29, 2017
This article is the definition of "low effort". There is very obviously already a child of "Ice and Fire", not to mention that incest is a regular Targeryen practice anyway. Their relationship and potential child would be a political shock, especially if Jon's true heritage gets revealed but their child being born of incest is probably the last thing anyone would care, especially if it is healthy.
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Aug 31, 2017
Agree. I think the fact alone of being related will probably have some impact on Jon, but not expecting any reaction to that from Daenerys (well, surprise, of course). The political implication could be huge, or could be small, but i think at a personal level it is going to be devastating for Daenerys, since her character's main motivations will cease to be true, and she will have to decide who to become from there onwards. For Jon is also huge at a personal level to discover that he has two families and he's not a bastard anymore, as this has also been his main motivation from season 1.
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Aug 29, 2017
"this would be a child born of ice and fire, something the series has never seen before" Which is exactly what Jon Snow is, the son of a Stark and a Targaryen.

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Aug 31, 2017
Don't want to disappoint you or anything, but Jon is ice and Daenerys is fire in this story because of the magic generated from them. The starks and the targaryens are not magical every time. Viserys wasn't. And it would seem Lianna and Raeghar weren't neither. I am a bit weary of this prophecy myself, cause i have no idea where it is headed and why it is so important in this story to be a tagaryen in order to be special. Jon was special already as the bastard that became king. It just feels like a weird message to send out there: only certain dinasties can rule. Coming from a writer that puts women in knights armor, it is a bit faity-taly weird.
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Aug 28, 2017
It's not a big deal... Dear lord the show only said like 1000 times that Targeryans don't care about incest at all.
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Aug 29, 2017
All of the Targaryens married within their family quite often. Many married their sisters.
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Aug 26, 2017
It's a big deal because ignorant people like you make it so. GoT is not bound by our societal norms. Westeros is in a "totally other" reality. It isn't our middle ages or dark ages for that matter. Incest is not uncommon in the 7 kingdoms or beyond. Personal I want Jon-Aegon to be with both Dany AND Sansa!
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Aug 26, 2017
FUCK YOU AND YOUR SPOILERS!!! You really are a bunch of cunts, not everyone has seen the latest episode
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Aug 29, 2017
Why would you read articles about the show if you've yet to watch it? And who hasn't watched it 3 days later?
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3 days, are you serious? Lots of people, not everyone subscribes to pay channels that air it or download it illegally. Some people even (shock-horror) buy it on DVD.

Plus you don't need to read the article for the spoilers - the spoilers have been right there on the main page of tv.com for nearly a month. Not only is the title a spoiler... but they thought heck, lets put another little spoiler in there as an additional comment\sub-title... unnecessary and unfathomable.

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Aug 25, 2017
Isn't Jon Snow a child born of ice and fire? His dad a Targaryeon and his mother a Stark... Jon and Dany's baby wouldn't be the first...
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Aug 23, 2017
Noop... i'm sick of this theory, there is no room to really speculate any more... we don't have enough episodes left, they are having to squeeze things in but Bran is gonna tell Jon that he's Rhagar's son so they'll add 2 and 2 together... Danerys feels some king of connection to Jon but she's rather confused as to why after seeing her pet Drogon, she knows that wasn't just nothing she was really surprised, Starks don't marry and have kids with their family ether, hasn't anyone been paying attention? they find it just as disgusting as everyone else, Jon will find out, tell Danerys and there will be an awkward moment, Danerys doesn't like incest and stuff ether, clearly from her brother raping her while growing up and being a perv towards her then having to let Drogo have sex with her... she's NEVER been into that, they'll both be petrified,

It's just a bad theory, i've been good so far as predicting things and i don't see it happening at all... they may take it where they start developing more feelings for each other just to tease it a little but then Bran is just gonna come in and burst your bubble lol, nothing will happen... As for Danerys not able to have children, well... even if she did it would kill her, Targaryns can only have 3 children and the first 2 disintegrates their health the the 3rd kills them, same happened to Ella Martel and if Ella had a 3rd child would of died that way instead, although i think it varies how it effects human women, maybe depending on how strong the dragon DNA is, but by the 2d child they are very weak and sickly, so Danerys can't have kids for that reason ether, although i don't think any Targaryn woman knew this would happen, probs nether does Danerys but it will if she has kids.
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Aug 24, 2017
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Aug 23, 2017
Looking at the Targaryans family tree, it's extremely common for them to wed their sibling to keep their blood line pure. So the Aunt-Nephew pairing is not that odd.
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Aug 23, 2017
all of you going crazy over an aunt and nephew marrying clearly didn't pay attention in European history class in college. Here ar just 3 examples from real life:
Philipp II married Anna of Austria, the daughter of his sister Marie.
Archduke Charles II of Austria-Innerösterreich married Maria Anna of Bavaria, daughter of his sister Anna of Austria.
Philipp IV married Marianna of Austria, daughter of his sister Maria Anna

There are many more, including in the British Royal ancestry.

It has been established multiple times that this practice is NORMAL for the Targaryen family. If you can suspend your beliefs for magic, dragons, people coming back to life, zombies, etc then you can certainly get over this.

Dany and Jon will have a child together even if they don't get the chance to marry. One or both will die in the series finale and that child will sit on the throne. Uniting the Seven Kingdoms. Of that, only someone totally clueless for the last 7 seasons would argue.

I for one, happen to see the chemistry between them. They clearly both lust for the other. They both clearly have respect for the other. I expect we'll get a sex scene next episode. I'd bank on it.
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Aug 23, 2017
John or Danerys like the idea of incest, especially not Danerys after being raped her whole life by Viserys her brother and sexually abused... then what she had to go through with Kal Drogo... and the Starks CERTAINLY don't go for incest, y'all forget Bran is going to tell Jon so... hate to bust your bubble but it ain't gonna happen... and if Danerys has kids it will disintegrate her health, by the second child she'll be very sickly and weak, by the 3rd she will die... for human women it varys i think depending how strong the dragon DNA is from the Targaryn male, Ella Martel managed to have 2 children but she was very sickly and weak, she was told if she had a 3rd child she would die... so... not gonna happen, they aren't likely gonna do that to Danerys.
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Aug 26, 2017
At no time in the series did they say anything about her being raped by her brother. She was clearly a virgin when she married Khal Drogo. Whom she was not raped by, and loved very much.
You are going to be very disappointed in how it all works out. She and Jon are going to have sex and they will have a child. That child will sit on the Iron Throne after it's all said and done. George RR Martin has said this story is all about Dany and Jon. The writing is on the wall.
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Aug 23, 2017

The runners of the show have more important issues than Jon impregnating Dany. If they take time out of the show to attempt to do this, it takes time from more pertinent things for the show to go on. Unless you like people that have never been to a place, running faster then a Kenyan in freezing weather, Dragons flying faster than a 737 etc. Kings, Queens, if this show and tale have taught us anything is that it changes as fast as a page turn, a knife through the ribs, sip of wine, a kid jumping out of a window. The only thing that needs to remain is the Three Eyed Raven. Everything else is kind of trivial.
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Aug 22, 2017
I would like to point out although brother and sister relationships are disliked in westeros, and aunt and nephew would be more accepted since it would pretty much the same as cousins marrying and in Westeros cousins marrying was an accepted practice for example Tywin married his cousin and Ned starks parents were cousins.
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Aug 23, 2017
Its not the same as cousins - aunt/nephew are closer relations than cousins. For an aunt you'd have parent then their brother/sister. Cousin you have parent, their brother/sister and then their child. 

I have no idea why everyone seems desperate for this thing with dany & jon. Perhaps in the hope both their favourite characters will live, who knows. But I would be mighty surprised if we've been told the entire series that dany is the rightful ruler, while having jons parentage hidden until the end and dany turns out to be the rightful ruler (with or without jon at her side). She's been showing signs of targaryen madness since season 3/4. 

Dany: "people follow me because they believe in me and i'm such a kind and compassionate ruler"
also Dany: "bend the knee to me or die"

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Aug 24, 2017

That's not much of a leap in difference, and in case you haven't notice stuff like that has happened in real-life with royal families and yet nobody has made a big issue about that. For example Peter III of Portugal's wife was niece and 43 years old to her 26. The family web became more tangled when his son and heir, Joseph, married his aunt (his mother's sister) Benedita. Joseph was merely 15 while Benedita was 30. Therefore, Peter III’s daughter-in-law, sister-in-law, and niece were the same person

Also the relationship despite its issues makes sense both storywise and poltically. Storywise it makes sense given how both are simlair to one another and have had harsh childhoods and because of that they have become stronger for it, both have been choosen in their own way and are seen as saviours by their people and leaders. Both also balance each other out where together they could rule much more effectively than they would indiviually, Jon doesn't possess the same charisma and drive as a leader that Dany has nor does he have her ability to immideatially attract people to her and has little poltical experience as a leader, unlike her, he is more of a reluctant leader. However unlike Dany who can be prideful, hot headed and ruthless at times, Jon more humble, level headed and merciful, in essence Jon can cool her down and keep her from falling into their family's madness. Also unlike most men in Dany's life Jon is not afraid to stand up to her and defend his ground.

In regards to poltically it makes even more sense, both are rulers, Jon rules the North and has the support of the Vale through Sansa and possibly the Riverlands, now that the Freys are dead and should Edmure rally the Riverlands to him. That's three Kingdoms she could get without even having to fight for thm if she marries him. Also as Lord Tarly has shown, many of the Noble houses seen Dany as an invader, despiter her lineage, if she was to marry Jon, a recognised ruler of westeros, it would make her more acceptable to the other houses. Furthermore them getting together would be the only way Jon could get the Iron throne and become King. Even if he leanrs of his lineage and announces it and with Bran's backing, most lords would call him a liar since he has none of the classic Targaryen features to back his claim and we saw how the Maesters mocked Bran's warning. Also even if Lord Reed supoorts the story, most would still say he was a liar and is only supporting Jon's claim since Lord Reed is a Bannerman of House Stark. Plus Lord Reed's word would count for little since House Reed are seen as nothing more than a House of swamp dewellers and are often mocked by southern lords. Even in the unlikely event that people believed his claim, they would still see him as a bastard and thus unable to claim the throne. In regards to the book Gilly found stating Jon as a trueborn son of Rhaegar, that again would count for little without the Maester who wrote it and preformed the wedding to support it, and he would be most likely dead by now. Without him people would just say that the book was a fake written to make Jon seem legimate. This theory would only be strenghten by the fact that it was found by Sam, who is a brother to Jon in all but blood. Dany lineage on the otherhand cannot be question since she is recognised by everyone as the last true Targaryen.

As for your final comment, in case you haven't realized most of Dany's followers, especailly the Unsullied, follower her becuase they love her and recognise her as their Queen. Also to be a King and Queen you have to be ruthless from time to time, you don't get to be ruler of a Kingdom by being kind and nice all the time. Even Tyrion reconised that and said that in the last episode. Some of greatest kings and rulers like, Philip II of France, Queen Elizabeth, Richard the Lionheart, Charlemagne, Peter the Great of Russia, Frederick Barbarossa of the Holy Roman Empire have done some damn ruthless things in their time, yet they are recognised as some of the greatest rulers of their countries. A King/Queen can be both loved and feared by their people, loved for what he/she has done, and feared for what he/she may do.

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Aug 26, 2017
Yeah I also remember when portugal had dragons and white walkers (or not).....its fiction. You can't really draw any reliable lines between reality & fiction. This series of fiction has its own rules, history, mythology etc. We also know that incestuous relationships are not common place in westeros - not unheard of but usually involving characters of questionable virtue/morals to put it politely. 

Politically it makes sense to whom? Not jon - as he's the one who's actually the rightful ruler. It would make sense for Dany as otherwise she's the same she's always been, a royal without a throne. 

And aye they might call him a liar without any proof. But I'm thinking either (or possibly both) that he might have the fireproof gene or since his mothers marriage to rhaegar seems to have been documented in the citadel, that his birth was too. To be perfectly honest, I'm half hoping/half suspecting dany might die. Hoping because I don't think she's fit to rule. But only half because I do like her character (just not as ruler). But george apparently kills characters after they've served their purpose and I think Danys purpose has been to bring the dragons to jon so he can fight the white walkers as the prince who was promised. No one else could've done it - it had to be another targaryen. But if she does die, that would make people more likely to back jon even if he couldn't prove his claim outright.  

As for the last part, you're missing my point. It not about just doing ruthless things. Its the threatening to kill them if they don't follow her part. You notice most people she has following her were lifelong slaves - with no concept of free will. Yet the ones who had known free will, she threatened to kill if they didn't follow her. The dothraki were more won over by the dragons and walking out of fire thing imo than any love for her. 
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Aug 28, 2017

How about you actually make a decent arguement instead of being a smart ass.

George Martin stated so himself that he used a lot medieval and other ancient customs, tradition and other things from real life and inserted into the story. He even stated that he based major families and major events in his story on real life events, familys and kingdom For example the seven kingdoms were based on the seven ancient saxon kingdoms of Britain hell the whole plot of ASOIAF is based on the war of the roses.The Red Wedding is based on a couple real events from Scottish history. One was a case called The Black Dinner. Also the Targaryens' incestuous marriages are inspired by Ptolemaic Dynasty, with Cleopatra herself, being the last of the Ptolemaic Dynasty.

Also intermarry is not uncommon, yes brother and sister relationship is hated but marrying first cousins and aunts/uncles is accepted and is done , Ned Stark parents were first cousins, Tywin's wife was his first cousin Mace Tyrell's younger sister Mina married their first cousin Paxter Redwyn. Even Houses Baratheon has done it with house Targaryen who they share famaliar ties for example Jocelyn Baratheon was Jaehaery I Targaryen half sister and she married his son Aemon Targaryen.

Did you actually read what I wrote? Because if you did you would know I already explained why. It does make sense for Jon poltically, because Jon can't claim the Iron Throne despite having the stronger claim because there is little to no evidence to prove his lineage. He has none of of the Targaryen features that would even support his claim of being Targaryen, he looks more Stark than Targaryen. Furthermore no-one other than Howland Reed is alive to from what happened at the Tower of Joy and even if he came forward and supported Jon's claim many lords could say he is lying and is only saying this because Jon is his ruling lord. In addition most southern lords have little to no respect for House Reed, as they view House Reed as nothing but swamper dwellers. Even in the unlikely event that people believed him his legitimacy would always come into question since his parents marriage was preformed in secret. Bran word would count for little, we saw that with his warning to the Maesters. The only record of the marriage is in a old Maester diary and that itself would count for little without the Maester who wrote it, as many lords could claim that it is a fake written by Sam to make Jon's claim legitamate. By marrying Dany Jon's legitimacy would matter for little since he would still be a king and be marrying the one Targaryen, who legitimacy is beyond apporach.

The fireproof claim would be useless, since you forget Jon burnt his hand in season one when he saved Lord Commander Mormont's from the wraith. And what is she suspose to do, let them go? These soldiers fought against her they weren't just going to bend the knee just because she asked them nicely, You have scare your former enemies into submission to get them to serve otherwise they will conspire against you. Furthermore you're missing the whole point of this scene, which is showing her dark side and why she needs people like Jon and Tyrion around to keep her falling to her dark impulsives. Dany is not a perfect character, she has flaws and that is why she is so interesting, people don't want a perfect character. If she was then people like you would be complaining that she is a mary sue.

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Aug 22, 2017
I think being grossed out by incest in this case makes no sense whatsoever. In this universe, particularly among Targaryens, it is common and explains the 'special' traits being passed down. It is probably even necessary for the story that those traits do pass down. Plus they haven't been raised together and they don't even know they are related. I have noticed that most book fans are fine with this. Let's get back to discussing the big chains (LOL)!
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Aug 23, 2017
I read an editorial somewhere saying how we can all suspend disbelief for dragons, magic and WW's that can raise armies of the dead but that we're going crazy about where the chains came from. I had to laugh. :)
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Aug 23, 2017
Haha! Very true. Chains didn't bother me at all, i was busy rolling my eyes at the supersonic ravens :-) Any debate is better than the incest one, anyways, at least for me.
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Aug 23, 2017
Supersonic ravens are fine, the chains are a stretch too far! :P

Yeah, I know what you mean about the incest furore. I'm not particularly rooting for or against Dany/Jon, it's just part of the story if it happens.
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Aug 22, 2017
I still put my bets on the Night King, so all this is for naught.
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Aug 22, 2017
The Mad King Aerys II did marry his sister Rhaella and had 3 children, 2 boys and one girl, Rhaegar, Viserys and Daenerys.
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Aug 23, 2017
Yet she died, why? because dragon DNA is blood magic... by the second child your already sickly and weak, by the 3rd you die, the same happened to Ella Martel, now she was human not Targaryn so i think it depends on how strong the dragon DNA is but if it's from someone with stronger dragon DNA then 1 child is worth 3 and the human woman will die, just like Tyrion's mother, it's a lot like when Mellisandra made those shadow assasins from Stanntis's life force, she told him that if Mellisanra created another his health would wane, i think it may have to do with kings blood too how some can have 3 Targaryn children, she said it has power, why? not sure... so i think anyone who doesn't have kings blood will die after having 1 child and the women certainly won't be a king or queen, so they will die after 1 child. Since Danerys was already pregnant once i'm not sure that still counted. Y'all forget all these things lol.
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Aug 24, 2017
Everybody's parents died from childbirth in the show. Ella Martel, however, didn't.
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Aug 22, 2017
Yep, but i'm not sure that has ever been mentioned in the show. It would explain why sooo many people keep coming back with the whole incest thing, when it is known that Targaryens are the experts in the matter, not the Lanisters. It is probably just not clear from the show.
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Aug 21, 2017
Incest was a way of life for all people in the old days - it wasnt incest to them though. It was common. This is different to Cersei and Jaimie though because they are direct brother and sister - the blood lines are too close.
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Aug 21, 2017
Dany's parents were also brother and sister.
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Aug 21, 2017
Incest was a way of life for the Targaryens, so it wouldn't be a big deal in Westeros.
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Aug 21, 2017
The thing is, someone could have watched and memorised every second of every episode and have no idea why Dany thinks she can't have children. They left it out for a reason, so maybe in the show universe, she can have children.

Westeros loves having kings born of incest: Dany's father, Joffrey, Tommen, maybe Dany herself. And probably most of Dany's ancestors. Dany, Joffrey and Tommen all have siblings as parents. An aunt and nephew? Nah, nobody would bat an eyelid.

The reason Cersei had a problem wasn't that they were born of incest, it was that they were not related to the king in any way . So they should not have been in the line of succession. And that's what she had to protect, their false claim.

I'm not convinced she'll have a child, but she could do. Maybe they will adopt Hotpie and he'll be her successor.
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Aug 21, 2017
Dany's parents were brother and sister. Its mentioned in the books but I don't know i the show mentions it. Both Dany's parents loved other people but Targaryen marrying in the family was what Targaryens did so they were married.
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Aug 22, 2017
(replying to a later post)
I thought, in a round-about fashion, it said that Jon looked like Lyanna. I remember it said that Arya "horseface" looked like a young Lynanna. And the only stark she looked like was Jon, which was one of the reasons they were so close.
But, I Lyanna and Ned had some similarities too.
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Aug 22, 2017
I never quite understood how Lyanna could be a "horseface" and also considered one of the greatest beauties in Westeros.
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Aug 22, 2017
Ugly kids can turn out to be quite lookers as adults.
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Aug 21, 2017
Then again, the Targaryens regularly married inside the family. ^^

Other possibilities are that they find out that they're related, and Jon has kids with someone else, therefore securing the Targaryen line on the throne again, even if Danaerys can't have children.
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Aug 21, 2017
I was going to mention the Targaryen intermarriage thing as well.

This is the second article I've read where it's been mentioned that potential children between Dany and Jon would be looked down upon and be viewed negatively because it/they would be the product of incest. Now, I don't remember if the show mentioned it earlier, but it's definitely covered in the books that Targaryens were constantly marrying inside their own family, and pretty much all of Westeros had come to view it as a normal practice (those crazy Targaryens, amirite?).

So I have no idea why this point of contention exists, unless it either wasn't mentioned in the show (I honestly don't remember if it was or wasn't) or the authors of these articles aren't paying attention when they watch the show.
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Aug 22, 2017
I think the other element is personality/popularity. The Targaryens were popular and powerful so Westeros could turn a blind eye to incest, they normalised it. Craster, however, was a pretty creepy guy and resided in wildling territory away from Westeros. He represented the more repellent sentiment. As for Jaime/Cersei I think it's definitely more the issue of succession than acceptability.

Overall, what I think the show reflects is a society in transition from incest being acceptable to outlawed.

Historically, in the real world, incest was never prohibited because it was 'wrong'. The introduction of the horse into society meant that people could travel greater distances which provided more options for sexual partners. Eventually it was noticed that children who were not a product of incest had a lower infant mortality rate. Incest was made illegal for survival reasons not because it was ever thought wrong. When you virtually outlaw something, overnight, then society has to put pressure on people to uphold that law which meant changing people's perception of incest from being okay to not okay basically. In Westeros, people walk if they don't have a horse or stay put in the same place all their lives.
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Aug 22, 2017
I may be wrong, but I don't remember the Targs doing father/daughter or mother/son incest. Unlike creepy Craster.
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Aug 21, 2017
That's what I think, that all of Dany's ancestors were children of incest to some degree and it was largely taken as granted. I know Tywin wasn't at all happy about the idea of Jaime and Cersei being together, though.
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Aug 22, 2017
@bluefish
Yea. I love the fact that THAT is one of the reasons why Catelyn disliked Jon so much: he, a bastard son of Ned's (thought to be, by her, at the time), looked more like a Stark than any of the children she birthed for Ned.

@dhaworth
Yea. Tywin was definitely against it... but was it because a majority of Westeros still looked at incest as taboo? Or was he just being practical in the sense that those two being together prevented him from marrying them off for political or economical gain?

I ask because I'm looking back at how Westeros viewed incest, and at first I was using Cersei's kids, and how the public reacted to the idea of them being the products of her and Jamie's union, as a gauge; however, I think that had more to do with the fact that they weren't legitimate heirs to Robert than anything else. So I've started to wonder if incest was given a pass for all intents and purposes in the kingdoms. The only other time I can remember it being brought up and viewed negatively is at Craster's Keep, because the Cersei/Jamie situation mostly revolved around their kids and succession issues than if it was a morally acceptable act.
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Aug 21, 2017
Yes most of Dany's ancestors were children of incest. The Targeryan did that because they had light skin, blond/silver hair and blue/purple eyes. All those traits are recessive so anytime they had children with a nontargeryan the child looked like the other family. In the books they state that Jon looks 100% like a Stark while Rob only sort of looks like Stark because he has his mothers red hair.
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Aug 21, 2017
That sounds more likely to me. Dany will probably die and Jon will take over.
So, maybe he'll choose Sansa or Arya, just to keep the insest thing going.
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Aug 21, 2017
I read that Martins original plan was to have Jon end up with Dany and Arya. I know a lot of things in his original plan have changed so I don't think Jon will end up with Arya. I hope Jon survives. I think Jon might die at the end which would suck because Jon deserves to be happy and he hasn't really had that yet.
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Aug 21, 2017
Hahahaha. Nice.
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Aug 22, 2017
When it comes to Tywin, I'm not sure there was much in the book. My memory is more from the show - from conversations with Cersei and Olenna. I'm sure the Olenna conversation didn't happen in the book.
My feeling was that he, personally, thought it was disgusting. Although, he absolutely did want Cersei and (if he could get him out of the KingsGuard) Jaime to marry someone useful.

I think Craster was different, as it was the only time I can remember it being parent/child. It may be that the Targs also did this, but my feeling is that it was mainly siblings/aunts/cousins.

It may be that it was considered a bit like being gay. There have certainly been snide comments about that and it generally hasn't been done in the open. But, it wasn't deemed beyond the pale, so tolerated but not encouraged or officially accepted?
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Aug 21, 2017
Definitely a repugnant idea!
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