Last Resort "Blue on Blue" Review: Deltas Deltas Deltas

Last Resort S01E02: "Blue on Blue"


"Sometimes the enemy is just the man keeping you from getting home."


The most common question anyone asked after Last Resort's fantastic first episode was, "Where will this show possibly go from here?" Its second episode, "Blue on Blue," gave us our first hint: Nowhere! And everywhere! Geographically speaking this was a very island-centric episode, but the brilliance of Last Resort is that despite keeping the bulk of our characters in a very limited space, the story still felt utterly global in scope. It's admittedly almost to Last Resort's detriment how sprawling its storylines are: Kidnapped soldiers! The Navy SEALs' mysterious mission. Sam's captured wife! Everything else! So one could be forgiven for not keeping all the plotlines straight after the pilot (I myself needed a refresher viewing). Thankfully Captain Marcus Chaplin cut through all the chatter with the quote at the top of this page, neatly summing up the singular mission our heroes must deal with. A LOT might be happening all at once, and their adversaries' uniforms might look chillingly familiar, but the simple through-line is that everyone just wants to get home alive (without being tagged a war criminal, hopefully). Everything else is just high-stakes nightmare scenarios!

We picked up more or less where the first episode left off: Everyone in a pissy mood. The naval officers were super grumpy about possibly being involved in treason; the NATO folks were mad that people were using their computers; Chaplin was trying to watch a Skype video from his son but kept getting interrupted; the world's hunkiest jungle barfly had a bad hangover. We could tell it was a bad day on the sub when XO Sam (that seems like an appropriate thing to call him RIGHT LADIES?) was laying into Chaplin about his possibly murderous intentions and Chaplin did the most passive-aggressive thing a submarine captain can do: He addressed XO Sam's concerns ON THE INTERCOM to the entire crew. But before their mutual annoyance could devolve further, the episode's first nuclear crisis began! Rival submarine the Illinois was hot on their tail (as were multiple other U.S. war ships), and it was time for the Colorado to implement that high-tech cloaking device that Kylie Sinclair had bragged about during her booty call in the pilot. Referred to as the "Perseus," the technology effectively rendered the Colorado invisible. But to further get the Illinois off his back, Chaplin fired a dummy torpedo at it just for good measure. Get out of here, the Illinois!

With that crisis resolved (for now), the bulk of the episode transpired on Sainte Marina, and it was all sparked by an ominous image: What was that mysterious 747 doing flying over the island after Chaplin had specifically threatened the entire world not to violate his airspace? All the soldiers present knew it meant one thing: A team of special-ops soldiers—presumably a Delta Force—had most likely parachuted down and would be infiltrating their jungle retreat in a matter of hours. This sent the entire team into a tailspin of military prep, despite the lingering question of whether they were simply being paranoid or not. Nobody had actually SEEN soldiers parachuting from the plane. Could they really be invading? For his part XO Sam enlisted NATO Sophie for a crash-course in island geography while Shepard was just doing her best to keep her composure despite Master Chief T-1000 barking at her from his jail cell about how she'd killed that one soldier for no reason. (Didn't anyone explain to him that it was justifiable, or was he just being an obtuse jerk about it?)

After the team headed out to a hillside clearing that looked A LOT like a location from Lost, XO Sam, Shepard, and their team came face-to-face with a chilling array of camouflaged super soldiers emerging from the jungle. Their suspicions were right: The island HAD been invaded. But in a truly surprising moment back at the NATO office, Chaplin got his frenemy from the government on the line and discovered that the U.S. hadn't sent any Delta force to steal back the sub. So who WERE these men? As it turned out—after some typical NATO-geek computer sleuthery—the super soldiers were RUSSIAN. And just when XO Sam was trying to make a rousing speech about how they are all Americans and so were on the same side, he learned that, in fact, the soldiers weren't. Awkward military moment! So obviously a shootout ensued. Then in a moment that was so over-the-top that I laughed out loud, Chaplin got the leader of the Russian military on submarine Skype and politely asked him what the deal was. When the Russian military dude started lying about his intentions, Chaplin patched in his U.S. government guy and pitted them against each other. Over Skype! Crafty move, Chaplin. Anyway, long story short, the Russian army was busted trying to STEAL the Colorado. It didn't matter that they got caught, however, because our heroes were saved by a mysterious sniper shooting from the hillside, and it was none other than James King, everybody's favorite Disney-prince-lookin' drunken Navy SEAL! (Did I mention he'd had a hilariously gratuitous shower scene earlier? I can't believe I didn't mention that yet!) He's a great character in my opinion.

Oh, but even though that particular squabble was handled, the episode still had a few more in store. For instance, two of the Russians were taken prisoner and one of the U.S. soldiers attempted to execute them on the spot. Fortunately Chaplin stepped in and put a stop to that, reminding everyone that alleged traitors or not, they're still honorable Americans and should behave accordingly. Meanwhile back home, Kylie Sinclair discovered that her patented technology aboard the Colorado would be seized by the government unless she could prove that the government had wrongfully ordered its various missile strikes in the pilot. So she enlisted her trusted government mole to retrieve the official orders, but was bummed to discover that he'd been intentionally rendered brain-dead by some nefarious faction. (She still got the pertinent info out of his pocket, however.) Also, XO Sam's wife was still being held by a government agency (CIA? HSA? The Millennium Group?), and while it appeared she was standing by her man, the agency showed her a videotape in which he admitted lying to his wife about some of his military service and it looked like her trust in him wavered a bit.

But by far the most devastating subplot involved the fate of Chaplin's army son stationed somewhere in the Middle East. In a nastily public reveal by a particularly loathsome Master Chief T-1000, we learned that Chaplin's son had been killed in action shortly before the events of the pilot. In retrospect both of these first two episodes began with Chaplin gazing at his newly deceased son's image and getting interrupted, which is both poignant and incredibly enlightening as to the mental state of someone who would so cavalierly defy orders. It was clear everyone was thinking it: Was Chaplin leading them on this go-for-broke adventure as retribution against America for getting his son killed? However, his repeated plea, "You know me," was all he really needed to say in his own defense. This was followed by a heartbreaker of scene between XO Sam and Chaplin in which the two men bonded over a shared happy memory of Chaplin's son, and Chaplin openly sobbed while XO Sam pledged his friendship and allegiance to the Captain. I cried. WHAT OF IT?

So far Last Resort is one of the rare ensemble shows where not a single plotline feels like a dud. Seriously, even on shows I love there's usually a moment when the show cuts away from a plot I REALLY care about and switches over to one that makes me groan with boredom. But in "Blue on Blue" I remained giddy with each new cutaway. "Oh, Autumn Reeser is awesome!" "Oh, the drunken Navy SEAL that looks like a Disney prince!" "Oh, Robert Patrick is still all mad!" "Oh, the bartender lady from Dollhouse!" Having so many factions and plotlines and overlaps could potentially reek of writerly desperation ("If you don't like this plotline, wait 20 seconds!"), but to me it feels like confidence. The way these scenes were all intercut with a connected musical score just amped up the tension and created this inescapable dread, like something out of a Paul Thomas Anderson film. Not trying to make Last Resort more highfalutin' than it is, but Tim Surette was very apt last week when he suggested that Last Resort is a cable series that somehow found its way onto ABC. "Blue on Blue" demonstrated an artistry and efficiency I'm just not used to seeing on network television. I still don't know what will happen next, but that's probably the biggest compliment I can give a show these days. Loved it.


SONAR BLIPS


... No warlord action this week, but a mention of the two missing naval officers suggests we'll be dealing with that situation soon enough.

... Cool speech by Bartender Dollhouse: The entire island is a VOLCANO, so the locals aren't too fazed by threats of armageddon. But also, that thing's gonna erupt at some point, isn't it?

... Kylie is pretty awesome, isn't she? Her knowledge of naval technology and her social cunning make her a bit of a superhero in this world, and it's a big relief that so far her interests align with those of our heroes. Plus Autumn Reeser plays the character pitch-perfectly. More please!

... The chyron on the cable news network's coverage labeled Chaplin a "Nuclear Mad Man." Fair and balanced!

... When you are trying to make a point to a superior female officer, it's always a good idea to get totally naked and take a shower in front of her. Just FYI.



QUESTIONS


... What did YOU think of Last Resort's second episode?

... So why exactly do the Navy SEALs feel guilty over sparking this whole thing?

... Will we be seeing more of the Illinois crew?

... Do YOU like to videochat with Russian military leaders?

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Well, I am nuts about military fiction... As Last Resort is a multi-million dollars show I thought that the scriptwriters would have paid more attention to details.

I suppose that spec-ops guys from around the world (including spetsnaz) would infiltrate by night rather than having a walk at noon in the middle of a glade.

Concerning the video-chat, it looked like James Bond talking to the Spectre Boss... Actually I do hardly believe that such a conference would even exist in a parallel dimension. Moreover the Russian was lying in his bed (or something like that) when Chaplin called him... Putting it simply: that scene did not work...

Last but not least: why Pakistan did not carry out a quick nuclear retaliation against the US? Maybe it did it but not a single word about it... Moreover the crew members seemed not to be worried about the possibility that US soil or their families got nuked.

What do you think about these issues?
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I have to amend my previous comment... the pakies do not have ICBMs :-/
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Yes, the russians couldn't have done their job any worse.

I didn't mind the video chat.

If they have nukes, they must have planes that can carry them. I agree that this is an important issue. I would like to see it addressed on the show very soon. Right now the USA should be a lot more worried about Pakistan's retaliation than about the rogue sub.
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even with all of the already established great shows out there i think this may have to be my new favorite. this show makes me giddy too, it just seems unrealistically incredible.



the episode was great. the seals feel guilty because they had and gave the wrong intel which lead to the nuking. i would imagine the military threat wont let up. like every other part of the show i thought marcus with the russian brass was great. i don't know why but watching the russian special ops dude whisper into his mic to his comrades was seriously spooky.
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After watching the premiere, and loving the hell out of it, my main concern was whether it would be able to maintain that level of quality. After watching the second episode, I feel much better, as I felt it continued the same level of quality as before. Outstanding show so far.
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Please, this is like The Event but without the sci fi... I LoLd when the Russian commandos gave away their position by whistling, and what about the two sailors kidnapped by the local mafia? I wasn't even sure it had happened because they were shown for like 2 seconds in the back of a van and nobody mentions them until the XO says they're looking for them...
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I think that was an American whistling to let the rest of the group know that the Russians are coming. I rolled my eyes at that too, because the Russians must have been much closer to him than the guys who were meant to hear his whistle. I don't even understand what we were *supposed* to think about that scene.
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LOL thank you for mentioning T-1000. I'll never NOT think of that when I see Robert Patrick. So far I'm loving this show.
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Well, I've just watched the first two episodes and I must admit I'm hooked ! It's a nice change to see army men questionning orders before killing ...

I like the pace, the multiple storylines, the fact they are all stranded on an island, which is good for character's development and finally, I want to know who ordered to fire missiles on Pakistan !

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Favorite new show so far this season. I can even tolerate the ridiculous good looking cast. Looking forward to the new episode...
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James King. <3
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Before the season is over, I say the captain will end up shooting the COB.
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Liking the show so far. Although yes 2nd ep was a bit melodramatic... but with very nice one liners...
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1. Was it shown that it as Skype?

2. Why was it over the top? It seemed a clever quick tactic, without preparation and on time limit it is quite possible that the Russian fell for it. Good play on Captain's side

3. The Disney prince wasn't making a point to a superior officer. She's not his officer, that's why she was ASKING and not giving orders.

4. Really enjoyed this episode, can't wait for more, but one did bother me a little. The Speznaz is probably in the TOP 3 teams in the world. It looked like they were a bit too amateur... They were on the attacking side, they knew they were spotted and that there would be opposition. I don't think these guys walk in to kill-zones that easily.
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I loved the premiere! This episode kinda bored me. The captain gives too many heartfelt, rousing speeches for my liking. The Russian team which was on the island was a highly trained team equivalent to a SEAL 6, who got put down by a bunch of novices!

But I still hope this show gets a bump in ratings and gets moved to a better timeslot since its one of the better ones of the season.
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Well I think the Russians killed like 5 guys and they lost only because the drunken guy (SEAL?) had a change of heart... and apparently is a fantastic sniper...
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LOVE LOVE LOVE this show so far. Man it is good to know there are still some fresh ideas trickling through the networks. I hope Last Resort keeps up the pace, if it does, it's gonna be one hell of a season.
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Really like this series, it's my favorite, ahead of Revolution.



Too bad the ratings aren't doing so well. I hope it last more than a handful of episodes.



It's like the X-Files meets Battlestar Galactica. All we need is the Cigarrette Man and Admiral Adama saying, "So Say We All !"
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The show is very good, the problem is it's in the wrong timeslot. It needs to be moved before it gets cancelled. In TV timing is everything and trying to unseat establised hits is usually a thankless task, one that makes us all lose. Hollywood is weird, always has been. Sometimes they spend a lot of money and don't consider where the show has it's best chance to succeed and then make more shows to replace the ones that should have made it in the first place. A good case in point would be Moonlight, the detective vampire series that starred Alex O'Laughlin. It is certainly as good as anything put up this season and I just watched the first two episodes again to confirm that and it's certainly better than Hawaii 5-Oh. Human Target is another great example and I'm sure if it had been marketed correctly it would have been a huge hit. Instead, we don't get to watch it because it got cancelled. Chi McBride deserves a hit and Mark Valley deserves better than Harry' Law...
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Sorry Price have to disagree with you on the Kylie thing. I thought the way she lashed out at those guys at the bar was way over the top and uncalled for and generally have found her character to be a bit shrill. I do wish they dial her down a bit and in fact think the actress would have been better cast as Shepard and vice versa. I'm sorry I just don't buy her as the weapons expert genius she's meant to be.



That said I think that with Jay Hernandez's appearance this episode as Sam's wife lawyer the Last Resort cast can now be officially crowned as TVs best looking one. Ridiculously so...
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I disagree here... Is she bothering you because she is female? Is that why you found it "shrill" What if it were a bloke playing that part?
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Well, if he were a bloke, he'd be a foreigner and wouldn't have the security clearance to get a prototype on one of our nuclear subs. :)

I think she played her role excellently in the pilot, but I agree that the bar scene was a bit over the top, if only because she just walked in the door and slammed the guy who wasn't talking to her. Why even engage? I can see her telling the guy that she met at the bar why the loudmouth is such a fool, but coming directly at a total stranger seemed forced.
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Basically what Stanking said. Her being female has nothing to do with it. She just looks too young to be playing the role she is and so far have found her character's approach somewhat unnecessarily aggressive. I would've thought the same thing if it was played similarly by a young looking guy. I mean why the hell would I have something against her just because she's female?!?! All in all I like this actress from previous roles she played so am hoping she'll get better
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As much as I liked and enjoyed the pilot, I think I maaaay have liked this episode a bit more. The primary reason may be the acting. The main complaint I had about the pilot was that aside from Andre Braugher and maybe Autumn Reeser, I wasn't too fond of the other actors, whether it's because of their appearance or because of their acting -- particularly Lissing as the Navy Seal dude, and Speedman as the XO. I also felt that way about the black dude playing the local hoodlum, but I guess he helped that by not even being in this episode. Maybe it was just some sort of pilot-itis or something, because I liked Speedman and Lissing a lot better in this episode.

The only other complaint I can remember having was that at times, it was too over-the-top (on the verge of being corny), and I guess that still kind of exists. However, it seems as though that's going to be the case very often considering the over-the-top-ness of the plot in general, so I'll live with it (it helps that it's still entertaining).
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I totally did not expect Chaplin's son was already dead. But why would he tell the COB and not XO?



Still, it was a cool episode that got me officially hooked on this show. Hopefully it gets picked up.
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I assumed that the COB may have happened upon him when he received the information or may have been the one to pass the letter about his son's death along to him. Though the COB talked about having been Chaplin's friend -- I didn't really buy that and thought that their relationship might be one sided at best.
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I like this show. It's certainly better than any of the other new shows that have started this season. But it has a lot of small flaws, and a few big ones that people don't seem to be talking about. One of the big ones that's bothering me is that we haven't seen (or heard anything about) a public reaction to the fact that the USA nuked Pakistan, killing millions of people in an absolutely horrible way.

Since they did this without a good reason, I think it would turn every country in the world against the USA. I think the streets of Washington, most other large US cities, and every capital of every other country would be filled with protesters. In the real world, embassies are getting burned because some asshole makes fun of Islam on youtube. Just imagine what this would do. It would make almost everyone furious, not just muslims.

Every news show in every country, and a lot of web sites, would be filled with video clips of Pakistani children slowly dying in agony from radiation burns. The USA would probably lose many or all of their allies. I think most countries would even cut off business relations with the USA. The whole world would be in a complete mess.

Even in the USA, I think that a majority of the population would withdraw their support for their government and demand that they be replaced and even prosecuted as war criminals. These things would make it very hard for the people behind the order to nuke Pakistan to get anything done.

It would also make it very easy for people in the USA, and the rest of the world, to believe, or at least consider the possibility that this submarine captain is telling the truth: The USA attacked the sub because it didn't comply with an incorrectly delivered order to nuke Pakistan.
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The whole plot is ludicrous to the point of Trutherism. The CO of a SSBN has a pretty good grasp of the world strategic situation because they get com traffic on the situation. I could see the CO balking at carrying out a launch order when none of the info he was privy to indicated Pakistan had done something to merit nuking...especially as the EAM didn't apparently come through the correct channels. What I don't buy is the supposed conspiracy...It's so patently ridiculous I have to wonder if it isn't election year propaganda to help Obama and the sitting POTUS will turn out to be a white Mormon Republican.



A valid launch order has to be approved by both the POTUS and SECDEF and transmitted to the launching unit via the chain of command. When I was on a SSBN in the '80s the CO had the ability to launch the missiles on his own authority....all he had to do was convince the officers and men it was justified...but that ability was taken away by Clinton. Today the CO needs PAL codes to launch his missiles, those are sent with the EAM. Why would the conspirators give him the PALs for any missiles beyond those they wanted launched? Once Chaplin went on TV and admitted he had received a launch order...and launched a demonstration strike to prove it...a worldwide political firestorm would ensue as it became clear that the attack was ordered at the highest levels of the US government.



But the biggest problem I have is that this "plot" probably would have sparked a general nuclear exchange when the Russians and Chinese detected the launch. The whole idea is crazy and would never have worked....if an embattled POTUS wanted to roll the dice on a "Wag the Dog" incident they would have done something less....insane, that may have actually worked. Who would believe the Pakis could find one of our SSBNs, much less attack her?
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I might be wrong, but as far as I can tell the US government told the people that Pakistan was the one who attacked their submarine and the US retaliated by bombing Pakistan. Chaplin has said that it was the Illinois that attacked them but he is also being portrayed as a crazy terrorist threatening to nuclear bomb the US and rest of the world so maybe people don't believe him? I dunno I agree that the news is a bit biased but we all know that media has their own politacel alliances and create spin all the time. cough**Fox News**cough.
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Since ABC is pretty much in the tank for the Democrat Party, you may be onto why such a ludicrous show has come to be. Chaplin couldn't launch his missiles unless he had been given the PAL codes to unlock them. Those codes would not have been transmitted without the direction of both the President and Secretary of Defense. I think once Congress got wind of this those Impeachment proceedings would be accelerated and in a rare example of bi-partisanship the POTUS would be tossed out by a unanimous vote, possibly the VPOTUS too, just to be sure, and once the Speaker of the House was sworn in as President the arrests would begin, starting with the former SECDEF.
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I just realized that now that the captain has proved to the world that his sub is still operational, it's impossible for the bad guys to use "Pakistan shot down our sub" even as a partial justification for the nukes. This is what they said when everyone thought that the sub had been sunk, but they must have changed their story after that.

I also just remembered that the SEAL guy who hangs out in the bar said that it's his fault that this is happening. So maybe they did something that gives the bad guys a better way to justify their actions.

Now I'm really curious about what the SEALs did.
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You're right about what they told the people. That's why I said that they nuked Pakistan without a *good* reason. No one in their right mind anywhere in the world would accept the sinking of a single boat as a valid reason to kill more than 4 million civilians, especially in this way. (For many people, it will take months to die). An appropriate response would be an attack with conventional weapons against a small number of military targets.
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I might be wrong, but as far as I can tell the US government told the people that Pakistan was the one who attacked their submarine and the US retaliated by bombing Pakistan. Chaplin has said that it was the Illinois that attacked them but he is also being portrayed as a crazy terrorist threatening to nuclear bomb the US and rest of the world so maybe people don't believe him? I dunno I agree that the news is a bit biased but we all know that media has their own politacel alliances and create spin all the time. cough**Fox News**cough.
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Absolutely valid points.

At the very least they could write-in some News Bulletins showing the worldwide public outrage for this completely unprompted nuclear attack.

But what spin are the shadowy government usurpers putting on this thing? I was under the impression they were making Captain Chaplin out to be a nuclear madman, who went rogue and bombed Pakistan for some unknown reason (still a plot hole, but not as big).

Of course Chaplin profusely disputed this in his video address to the world, but with the highest levels of the American government involved, and the American news media on their side, I'm sure some people would believe the fiction they heard on the news.

There just hasn't been enough speculation on the worldwide reaction and the public perception to what has happened.

Let's hope they explore these issues. This great show would only be better for it.
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Chaplin couldn't have gone rogue, he could not launch his missiles without being provided the PAL codes by the military chain of command...which leads directly to the President. China, Russia, ect know our nuclear doctrine, once Chaplin's speech was aired they would know he had been given the PAL codes for his missiles.



I think the whole situation would have spiraled out of control immediately. The Chinese and Russian reaction to detecting the launch is unpredictable, they may well have launched a full retaliation strike of their own, assuming they were under attack. The Pakistanis would probably assume the nuclear strike was from India and retaliated by launching their weapons at India, sparking a full fledged nuclear war between the two and racking up a body count in the 100 million range. Even if they were warned by China or Russia it was the US they might hit India anyway so they couldn't take advantage of their weakness.



No matter what happens, our troops in Afghanistan would most likely be doomed as they would be trapped in a land-locked country surrounded by countries now hostile to the US and their supply lines cut. If any of the Paki gov't or military survived, they'd probably pass on some nukes to Al Queada to use against the US. The more you think of the ramifications, the more ridiculous this "plot" is.
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Yes, I would also like to see the spin, and the world's reaction. As I said above in the reply to almarae, their initial spin doesn't even work anymore, so now we don't have any idea what they're saying to the public, other than "Sub guy bad. Be scared!" If I had lived in the USA (in this fictional world), I would have been a lot more worried about Pakistan, who pretty much *has to* retaliate, than about a guy who may or may not be unstable.
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I agree. Or how about Pakistan's nuclear retaliation? Or of the world's reaction to someone detonating a nuclear warhead off the coast of the US?
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I thought the same. On the other hand, the news media coverage might be slowed down by the unexpected behavior of Cpt.Chaplin for he went "off script". He is already shown as a madman to the public and his speech will find it's slow way to society's awareness through youtube but it will take some time. What the people think is of no relevance to the corporate media anyway, I mean look at 9/11 - almost anyone I met in the past 10 years through all kinds of social standing and education thinks that the official story is bullshit. Nearly 11 years past and the old lies are still spinning...
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In "Captain" we see his full speech airing on what looks like a cable news network. So, Chaplin succeeded in getting it out there.
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This is not the right place to bring up ridiculous conspiracy theories. I think the best place is http://forums.randi.org.
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Let me rephrase that. A fictional story about a conspiracy that involves fictional people is not a good reason to make accusations against people who actually exist.
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The very show we're talking about is conspiracy theory material.
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This show is great!! It is so intense, it is impossible to take a break in between. It's like watching a movie ... except the intensity goes on for much longer than the 2+ hrs.

In 2 episodes, Last Resort has managed to play with all kinds of emotions. Add to that the intensity, the great characters, wonderful actors and actresses and the ability to tell a cohesive story-line ... and you're glued to the seat for 40 minutes! No wonder my eyes got teary towards the end of the episode .. it's been an emotional roller-coaster :-) Can't wait for what they have in store for us next week.
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absolutely the best show since Awake, great idea and characters, believable actions and reactions. Lots of courses Last Resort can take, I just hope it isn't strangled at birth like Awake was. please America start watching the great stuff instead of dross.
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I was rooting for the Russian spetsnaz in this one, the Captain IS a mad man and needs to be stopped.
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I think that is purposely part of the tension of the show. IS Chaplin 100% right? DID he do the right thing? We are mostly led to believe that he did, but I think the show is purposefully leaving a little room for doubt in the viewers and in the submarine personnel, to ratchet up the tension of the show. It makes you ask yourself, what would I have done in this situation? Would I have fired on Pakistan and killed millions of innocent people? Or would I have gone against everything I've ever believed about my government and my service to it, and defied those orders, for what I believe to be the greater good? And, as evidenced by your comment, the show is skillfully eliciting these kinds of conflicts within many of the viewers.
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sorry but i haven`seen any madness in him yet... his every action was to ensure the crew`s survival.

And he and the xo talked about looking mad to be taken seriously in the firs episode... so to the public, he intentionally tried to look a little nuts to be considered capable of firing the nukes.
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Why exactly?
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this is a world in which madmen have surreptitiously taken over in America, the Captain and crew are the sane ones, c'mon you've gotta be rooting for them.
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Then they need to show us this. Right now, the captain is unstable and unlikable and threatening nuclear war against the world. And oh yeah, HE is the reason they aren't going HOME. The ones who wanted to go home got shot by whiny chick and thrown in the brig.
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It's absurd that you think that the person who's threatening nuclear war as a bluff is worse than the people who *actually* started a nuclear war. They killed 4 million people. He just *said* he might do something similar, to keep himself and his crew alive a little longer.
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OK then, I read too much into your post. I don't know what his best course of action would have been, but it certainly looked like his only options were to use the nuke as a bluff, or die with the rest of his crew and maybe everyone on that island. Maybe in the real world, the best thing to do would have been to just leave the island and hope that it doesn't get nuked. But in a TV show, I think it's reasonable enough to try to "change the game" as he put it, in order to keep as many people as possible safe.
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I don't think he's worse. I think he needs to stop threatening nuclear war under a fake banner of patriotism after declaring that his country is a lost cause. We are talking about political factions, bringing that to light and letting a stable political process take over is more important than sitting on an island and whining that someone took a shot at him. Really? He's a career military officer, this can't be the first time someone's fired at him.
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They're not going home because they've already tried to kill them all by destroying the sub, nothing has made the crew think they wouldn't do so again since fighter planes have been sent and forced back with the nuke targetted to miss Washington by 200 miles. Makes perfect sense to me.
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As a military officer you aren't afforded the luxury of making political distinctions. The president is your commander and chief and that's it. Period. Full stop. Whether you voted for him or not.



Impeachment proceedings are simply a censor from congress, they can be severe or they can be because you had an affair with an intern. There may be a problem, but that is for congress to handle, not random low-level military officer.
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They refused to nuke Pakistan, who is at best a unwilling and treacherous "ally", but are ready to nuke their own families......makes perfect sense to me.
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There is a distinction between love for your country and love for or support of its current government and Chaplin has repeatedly made that distinction.



In "Captain," the TV in the captain's quarters was showing that the President was about to be impeached. Impeachment proceedings don't just happen. The alleged charges have to be pretty heavy to set them in motion. So, the writers' were getting us to see that there is a possible issue with the current administration in showing us that clip.



I think, if memory serves, that this is the same scene in which he talks about Brezhnev and Reagan and Reagan needing to seem crazy.



Could just be that what the administration wanted in launching the strike was a distraction from the impeachment.



I agree with all of you who wrote that in real life there would be very severe repercussions for those strikes that would go beyond any traction they could get from causing them.
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Yes. All 350 million people in the US tried to blow them up. You are totally right.
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AHOY THERE!

Is this show great, or what?! It was on my sonar since the summer, but it started pinging like crazy after I read the fantastic reviews for the pilot from critics and commenters alike.

I watched the first two episodes last night and I was not disappointed!

I've never been one to disparage big, ambitious premises, and even though the future of Last Resort is definitely in murky and unknown waters, I don't care. The ride has just been too much fun. Stateside is overrated, anyway (Okay, that's the last of the nautical puns).

As I previously stated, I'm partial to bold concepts, but for me, when it comes to television, everything begins and ends with the characters. A department in which LR is not lacking.

Andre Braugher as Capt. Marcus Chaplin is perfectly suited for the role. He seems to possess this naturally commanding presence. The baritone of his voice, the conviction of his speech, and the moral conscientiousness of his actions make him an ideal Captain. And the writers have even balanced his bravado with the stark emotion he showed for the devastating loss of his son.

You've also got the XO with a fierce loyalty for his Captain, but with a burning desire to get back to his wife. The Admirals daughter who yearns for the respect of her crew. The Mutinous CO. The drunken SEAL with a heart of gold (alright, that might be a stretch). The conniving weapons manufacturer lobbyist (played by the incredibly hot Autumn Reeser!) The local and territorial Warlord. The sage and wise barmaid (who is also super hot! Nothing wrong with that). And a NATO lady who just wants everyone to get along.

And all of these characters set in the backdrop of insanely high stakes geo-political awesomeness (not to mention the shadowy government coup back in the States). Think of the possibilities!

It's a damn shame the ratings are so low. I want to see what the USS Colorado can do.
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Well, at least the ratings improved from the 1st week ... slightly. That's usually a good sign. I'm hoping that after a great episode like this, more people will spread the word and start watching :-)
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Ratings went down. .2 in the demo and over a million viewers.
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Link please?
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http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/09/28/thursday-final-ratings-big-bang-theory-greys-anatomy-adjusted-up-parks-rec-up-all-night-snl-weekend-update-the-office-glee-scandal-rock-center-adjust/150556/

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/10/05/thursday-final-ratingsthe-x-factor-last-resort-30-rock-greys-anatomy-the-office-adjusted-up-two-and-a-half-men-person-of-interest-scandal-elementary/151704/

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/10/02/abc-last-resort-666-park-avenue-likely-to-be-canceled-after-slow-starts/150894/

Summary: The 18-49 rating fell from 2.2 to 1.9. The total number of viewers fell from 9.31M to 8.00M.
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I like SpoilerTV but TVBytheNumbers posts all of them also.
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Very well done. I am pleasantly surprised by what I'm seeing so far. Unlike Revolution, which is dealing with "whinny teen syndrome" (which it shouldn't considering how she grew up) and actually starting to make me cheer FOR the militia (bleech!) This keeps everything in perspective very well. The Russian twist was AWESOME! Totally didn't see it coming. Couple it with the conversation he had with his Russian "friend" and now that's drama.



About the only problem I'm having is the master chief. Seems a bit too much of a war monger. Glad he wasn't in charge of the boat. As a senior enlisted, he should be behind the captain 100%. Voice your opinion but in the end it's "Aye, Aye, Captain." Also, I find his lack of respect for the female disappointing, especially considering how long women have been integrated in the Navy. Now, he may not like her because of her dad (seen that some when I was in the Navy) but you still respected the rank, even if you didn't respect the person.



Overall the show is good. I hope ABC gives it a chance to find an audience.
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Well, in an ideal world, her being a woman would be a non-issue, but the sad truth is that even though women have begun to be integrated into the Navy (and other armed forces), they are still not equally respected by some of the men. Her being the daughter of an admiral exacerbates the problem, but the underlying cause of the disrespect is still that she is a woman. (Amongst other indicators, the incredibly high rate of sexual assaults on female military personnel illustrates this ongoing disrespect for women.) So, the master chief being so biased isn't really that big of a stretch, plot-wise.
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So the master chief should blindly follow order, huh? Whose orders? The command structure. That is the complete logical fallacy of the this show. Either you follow orders or you rebel. Once you've rebelled, there is no order, discipline, and structure, because you blew it up.
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i also think it`s because of her dad that most don`t respect her, and her character doesn`t help much either...she lacks self confidence and in a place of authority, this lack can create confusion among the people that have to follow her. So it`s natural for people to think that she might not be competent enough to be there especially if she could easily get in that position with external help (that of her father) regardless of her qualifications.
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Her father's rank as admiral hasn't been alluded to as many times as the fact that she is a woman. If the issue were her father then the crew would make her work to prove herself; to prove that she isn't just riding his legacy/rank. Because she is a woman, the prejudiced ones, like COB don't even want her in the control room or leading a team.
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Last Resort is very good, but IMO Last Resort will be like Ringer and The Secret Circle a slow developing story but at the end its a WOW give this a chance!! Autumn Reeser is awesome plain and simple has is Jessy Shram!!
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This is where I get off.



This is show is ridiculous. Everyone deciding minute by minute if they will follow orders, or instead point guns and threaten each other. No one follows the orders of the female office, but any male officer tells them the same thing and they hop to it. No discipline at all for disobeying either.



The plot itself is completely ridiculous, but I could suspend that if the characters were rubbing it my face every two minutes that they would rather play lord of the flies.
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I don't get what you find ridiculous ... how do you think most people would handle being put in that situation? A lord of the flies situation is quite realistic actually (This is far from that, btw .. only 1 or 2 confused individuals have been against the captain, the rest are all following orders and are supporting him - hardly what I would call "lord of the flies").

With regards to the LT being a woman - I think kanniballl answered your comment. Add the fact that she's quite young, the daughter of a senator ... you might get an idea why ppl are resenting her. Wrt the discipline - she will have to earn their respect (like any other person in command). I believe it will start with the punishment for the guy that fled the fight (unless he's dead - I didn't quite understand that), probably in the next episode.
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That's and she's a whiny brat who sucks at her job.
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I don't find her whiny. In front of those under her command she hasn't said anything to show her fears. She's only expressed those things to the XO and Captain who are appropriate people to tell, especially since they are also her friends. She was the bravest person in the party she led to confront the special forces guys and each time COB tried to disrespect her she put him in his place. She defended Shepard when COB's minion was raising his gun to kill him (and the NATO lady). Strength doesn't mean that you never have fears or doubts.
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She whined about taking control of the boat in front of everybody. Yelling about your rank isn't a way to get respect. The scene with the SEAL in the shower being the demanding girl wanting a guy to help her out was ridiculous. Strength doesn't mean not having fears or doubts, but she shouldn't be whining to all the guys around her for help, begging for respect, or calling home to daddy when she has a problem if she wants the crew or the audience to think she's strong.
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Oh yeah ... that as well :-D
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Well, many of the enlisted men hate the woman because she shot one of their own dead. Granted, said dead-man appeared to ready to shoot someone ELSE just before that... but they don't care.

Don't get me wrong: the pilot showed that she gets zero respect because she's a woman. But they were laying it on thick in the 2nd episode because she shot someone.
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My theory reg. the SEALS is that they were mend to take out a terrorist with a nuke or something. they got the wrong one and in desperation a faction in the us government decided rather 4 million Pakistani dead then having a nuke turn up in a American city.
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There would have been a lot more than 4 million dead.....the Pakis would have assumed they were nuked by India and launched their ret strike at them, the Indians would have responded, and about a 100 million or so dead later both of them would be very angry with the US, assuming there is a organized gov't left in either country, of course.
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SEALs don't take out terrorists with nukes. They use sniper rifles and grenades. And We don't use nukes, they are deterrent weapons only.
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I meant that the terrorist was in possession of a nuke. Not that the SEALS take the terrorist out with a nuke.

I guess you haven't seen the pilot as they did nuke Pakistan.
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Oh, I saw it. And it was ridiculous. You don't nuke a nuclear power because they would retaliate. Not to mention the devastation. We wouldn't even regular bomb/invade Pakistan to try to get to Bin Laden. Why? Because they are a nuclear power and they have allies.



I apologize I read that they were supposed to use the nuke to take out the terrorist not that the terrorist had the nuke.
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I agree it's ridiculous and I hope there will be an explanation. Hopefully better than mine.
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This show thus far is good. I liked Episode 2 just as much as I liked the Pilot. But I have to agree with Dudekotka below. Conspiracy shows are difficult to manage over a long season. USA does them well because they have half seasons. I am not sure the show is going to be able to maintain the quality throughout the season. That said, I really do like the show, it is very well acted. And though I wonder about the future, currently the storyline is well done. I like that they didn't jump two weeks ahead and the picked up exactly where they left off. It kind of tells me that they are going to be in this for the long haul(or as long as their ratings stay good.)



But the aspects that I didn't like about this was one just tossing the Russians in there. I understand the whole they want to capture the new technology on the Sub. But for the reason that the Secretary of Defense stated. There is no way in hell they would. And since I am talking about the Russians. There is no way in the world they would have walked right into the trap and no way they would have lost to a bunch of novices that can't shoot. Spetsnaz is the Russian equivalent of the varied Special Forces groups in our country. And a team that would have done that mission would have been the equivalent of of a "Delta Force" or Seal Team 6. So that was a little out there for me. It would have made more sense if it had been the US because they would want to make a concerted grab for the boat before the captain got his footing on the island.



As for the rest, I think the story is progressing well. On both sides of the conspiracy. Autumn Reeser's character is still interesting. But I hope she doesn't make this whole sexy, domineering thing (not that I am complaining) her standard personality, because she needs to have more depth than that.



But for now I enjoy the characters and the story they are telling. Despite some of it's faults I think it is a pretty good show. I continue to want to see he next episode.



Questions:



Good.



They did something. Now the guy in the bed said they killed the wrong people. But there has to be something more. Because you don't Nuke a population because some SEALS killed the wrong guys. Now if they lost some key Tech or intel that would have been devastating to national security then that would be something to nuke over. So they are really going to have to tell us or imply something to keep the viewer interested. It will add to the conspiracy and to the quality of the show. Leaving it out will make the story lack.



Since that is the sub near them, we probably will.



It was all right. But again throwing the Russians in this quick almost seems like too much.



What about the guy the DOD, (the government guys that had the wife), allowed to take her home. He was a friend of the XO and he is going to use that to get to her. But why? For what purpose and why do they think it would work.



The last thing I would suggest, is that it needs a different time slot. Thursday at 8 before the estrogen filled romp by Rhimes occurs, isn't a place for a hard nosed military drama. I would almost put it on Saturday before I would put it there. That time slot has killed many show. Because for some reason people watch BBT. I don't know why. But they do.
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My guest the Russians were/are exactly where they wanted to be, they did not count on the sniper taking most of there men out but they counted on getting captured by the sub crew after a fire fight an inflicting a few casualties.



Why, it either a distraction an there another team on the island moving towards the sub or they were planning on getting captured an break out when they were near the sub. Another possible reason is that they wanted a group of people close to the sub to keep an eye on them. I certainly convince that there more to the Russian plan than we have seen so far.
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As amazing as this, unfortunately people aren't watching. Should I keep watching? I mean, it kind of sucks watching something you ultimately know will get cancelled...
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So why doesn't everyone commit suicide? "Ultimately" we're all gonna die anyway ...

It's the ride, stupid! But you're right it kinda sucks - so like in life you have to ignore ignore ignore ...
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Absolutely loving this show so far. Totally agree that all of the subplots are quite interesting.

I don't view the ratings as a for sure death sign. Though they are a tad low, they are up against huge ratings earners and it is higher than some other shows on ABC. It is also targeting a demo that ABC has a severe lack of, and is doing it fairly well. As always I hold out hope (as naive as it may be).
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Unfortunately we have another bad season of network TV. I looked forward to Last Resort as something good and it is. Unfortunately it's probably not going to make it because people aren't watching. Unfortunately people aren't watching Fringe so it has to leave us in a short while. Unfortunately I will never resort to reality shows for any reason including being a shut in for the rest of my life should that ever happen. Unfortunately, we're all screwed...
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There has never been a conspiracy show that manages to maintain quality for an entire season. There never will be.

I liked the second episode more than the first though, but something will become stupid, and then everything goes to hell.
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I'd say the x files maintained quality for a good 5-6 seasons
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Too bad about the ratings. I don't know if I'm going to keep watching. It'll get cancelled for sure, unless there's a fucking miracle, and I don't want to fell in love with the show just to watch it get dumped with no ending whatsoever.



I however ask people to watch it, my viewing doesn't matter, I'm not even from USA. If you have a nielsen box please watch it live. And watch the rerun too :D Maybe....MAYYYYYYBE we get a little miracle.
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I thought it was yet another great episode. One of the best new shows imho, but sadly its doomed to be cancelled soon with those ratings.
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Re: Master Chef T-1000 (love the nick, btw) you said "(Didn't anyone explain to him that it was justifiable, or was he just being an obtuse jerk about it?)" - honestly, I'm thinking both. He probably just disagrees on the "justifiedness" of it since he's totally against the refusal to blow up Pakistan and it was one of his guys trying to put the mutiny down that was killed.



.. What did YOU think of Last Resort's second episode?



I really enjoyed it - it's a great, fast paced show. I'm a bit worried to hear that it's ratings were down this week, though - that's never good news. I'm hoping that maybe some cable channel is looking at the show with possible interest in picking it up should ABC give up on it - I think it could do really well on a channel that will really nurture it, and I'm not always sure just how nurturing ABC is.



... So why exactly do the Navy SEALs feel guilty over sparking this whole thing?



I think there was something in the 1st episode, but it went by so fast. I may have to rewatch it and see if I can figure it out :)



... Will we be seeing more of the Illinois crew?



I have no doubt - the Illinois seems to be the symbolic fist of the Government, meant to remind us of the power of Washington. What I'd love to see, though, would be for some of the people on the Illinois to start maybe wondering why the Colorado crew is being so stubborn about this - why they disobeyed the original order and are holding out so stubbornly, and as a result they start questioning their own orders - with some of them eventually coming ashore to join or heroes in their stand.



... Do YOU like to videochat with Russian military leaders?



I would if I knew any :) Of course, I love listening to people speaking Russian - it's a beautiful language, so I might not even care if I understood what he was saying, I'd just listen :D
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The 18-49 rating fell from 2.2 to 1.8. And this is on ABC where the premieres of Revenge and Once upon a time got 3.2 and 3.9 respectively. So it doesn't look good. I think that all we can hope for is that the cancellation bear will eat 666 Park Avenue first, and that this will satisfy its appetite. The premiere of 666 got 2.1.

Hm, apparently Castle, Scandal and Private Practice aren't getting any better numbers, but tvbythenumbers.com is saying that the bear is more likely to eat a new show than an older one.



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1.8 was a preliminary result. It was later corrected to 1.9.
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Syndication brings in alot of money. So that helps some older shows.
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That's a good point that I didn't think of. I remember reading that if a show is close to the magic number of 88 episodes required for syndication, it's much more likely to be renewed. However, Castle and Private Practice has already passed that number, and Scandal is nowhere near it. So I don't think any of these shows will be helped by this.

This gives me a little bit of hope, because I don't see any reason why they shouldn't cancel PP first. If they cancel both 666 and PP, Last Resort may have a decent chance to get a full season.
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These are the ratings for the three other shows I mentioned: Castle 1.9, Private Practice 1.6, Scandal 2.1. Hm, looks like PP only has a 13-episode order, so it should be one of the most likely to be cancelled.
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Private Practice is definitely on its last legs. One major character was cut for this season and the "star" is leaving after this season. They would be morons to renew it, even by network executive standards. None of the people remaining could carry it even at its current pathetic level.
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Oh boy... this going to be a doozy. I really want to love this show, and I really do like it, and it has the potential - great idea, great setting, ensemble cast, lots of plots - but the things it misses on frustrate me a lot.



This is going to be quite a rant (warning: it includes comments about the pilot), and as I've written this my feelings have changed somewhat, but know I would only be this critical if I wanted to like the show. I'm sure I'm overstating a bunch of this and I might've just missed some things, but I feel like there are some things that could be fixed. It's nowhere near as disappointing as something like Terra Nova and it's attempt to be family friendly, but I don't quite think it's a cable show brought to networks - more of a network show adopting some cableness. Yes, the good outweighs the bad, and yes I will be watching every episode of the show.



(By the way, how many more speeches does Chaplin have in him? It seems like the only way he speaks and I love them, mostly. He does have a knack for showing up the exact right moment (e.g. Grace/COB, Russian POWs)).





My biggest problem with it is with all of these plots and characters and twists, they really don't leave many questions for the viewers to ponder, save for the big one. The only question is the one that surrounds the entire show, "What/why/how is this conspiracy?" Every time they could build in a surprise or twist, they just immediately reveal the next moment what actually happened. Examples: the two missing sailors from the first episode - let us question for a week or two what happened to them. Did they go AWOL? Did they kill each other? Did they get lost? Don't just immediately reveal they were kidnapped by the warlord. Same goes for SEAL-boy saving them in battle. And particularly Chaplin's potential ulterior motive. Clearly we trust him implicitly (aside: a bit clunky of the writers to use the same ploy in back-to-back weeks to prove that Chaplin is a good man - i.e. fire a missile/torpedo without telling your EXO/audience that you never intend to hurt anyone with it), so don't ring the bell with the COB calling him out on his son's friendly-fire death unless you're going to make it a real consideration. None of us really believe he's just getting back at the U.S. for his son's death... and not only because we trust the man, but because we were there when the conspiracy began... we saw the message come through the antarctic relay, the sketchy disembodied voice on the speakerphone, and the attack missile fire at them (and we see Chaplin being a good person not blowing up DC or the Illinois).



One of the hallmarks of great writing of this kind, television or otherwise, is to make you think something is extremely important (e.g. two sailors were just kidnapped!), then switch gears to something else that is extremely important (e.g. invasion alert!), and then right when you forget about important-thing-one, it springs up again. I guess that's what they attempted to do with the missing sailors (sorry I'm harping on this one plot point, it's really just an example of the greater issues) by not bringing them up really in episode 2, but the problem is there is really no mystery/question surrounding them. It seems pretty obvious what the next step in their story is: the warlord will use them as leverage to gain some type of power.



Just some other points they could've left less answered or held on a little big longer:

-Q: Is Kendal's wife helping the government or being loyal? (A: loyal)

----Example of drawing out a little bit more suspense/surprise - don't show that the government is with his wife in her home (Ep. 1) until the end of the conversation.

----Okay, so they did set-up the possibility of his wife getting swayed by the government. They show her tapes of Kendal talking about being a POW/hostage that she doesn't know about. And the flashback of her saying "Sam Kendal... who are you?" is obviously there to plant the seed, but still. Make it a real question in the audience's mind too, not just the obviously being duped wife's.

-Q: Is the friend-lawyer someone Kendal's wife can be trusted? (A: no - he's government)

-Q: Why is SEAL-boy so distraught? (A: he told us the war is their fault, they screwed something up). Yes, I know we don't what happened - but why not have him stare at the television coverage at the end of episode 1 and have start crying and babble something incoherent (making us wonder "why is he so distraught? is he unstable?") rather than just admitting they had a hand in it (we would start asking that question anyway at some point).



Some other issues (including the pilot):

-Love Autumn Reeser so far, but the whole explication of the submarine's potential while seducing the senator's aide seemed a bit forced to me. I appreciate how light the show has been on explication, which tends to drag down the pace and insult audiences, and I get "she's a lobbyist" "he's a senator's aide" "so talking shop is part of their foreplay/her seduction technique"... but come on, there has to be a smoother way to introduce her and the boat's awesome power. (See slightly better job: Ep. 2 $20 bet about blowing up Chaplin. Reeser explains to the audience why it can't be done, and while it's clearly explication, it just fits better to yell at an ignorant dolt in a bar then as foreplay.)

-'nother Reeser issue: When she confronts the admiral about killing his own daughter. I know we don't know much about Rear Admiral Shepherd yet, and maybe his role in the navy is high up in the command structure (he does seem to be based in DC), but he is 1 of nearly 200 1-or-2 star admirals... Why would Reeser assume he made or was even involved in such an unprecedented decision as sinking a U.S. submarine? Maybe I missed something about his role or maybe it will be revealed later, but that seems like quite a jump to make when you're about to accuse someone of the most extreme callousness. Heck, maybe she was just worked up and didn't think it through.

-The foreshadowing speech about Reagan and the air-traffic controllers... yes ballsy move by Reagan, yes I appreciate history lessons that foreshadow characters actions, but come-on is that really the best "just crazy-enough" story they could find. I really don't think his intention was to poster for the Russians, and I really can't imagine the Russians quaking in their boots that Reagan might be crazy enough to blow up the world with nukes based on that action. Maybe that's actually the story or mythology (if someone could point me towards it), but I've never heard it before and just doesn't inspire the "Because I can craziness" like a story about Caesar (idk, doing the unthinkable and crossing the Rhine just to show the "barbarians" that he could).

-Daniel Lissing aka SEAL-boy James King - I'm having a difficult time with his acting. Not really sure how to put it, but I can see him acting each scene. The hangover, the open-a-tab scene, the scare off Julian-Warlord scene. Speaking of which, the scene where he tells Julian and his men how he's going to kill each one seemed a little silly, ripped from many other shows/movies (example: Drew Barrymore in Charlie's Angels - I know silly example), and not really as intimidating as it should've been. That being said, I'm liking bartender-Tani... she just needs more to do and say (like peacemaker face-paint).

-COB/LT squabble was, again, clunky. First of all, we get it... nobody respects Lt. Grace Shepherd except Chaplin and the EXO, especially not rank-and-file enlisted sailors and old sea dogs like COB (side note: I do like, if done well, when characters are named with some sort of significance (see: Jack Shepherd in Lost), so I guess I like the Chaplin, Grace Shepherd-ness so far, although the Shepherd-Jesus thing is probably getting overused at this point (Lost, Last Resort, Mass Effect, etc.)). That being said, you could make the "Grace killed a sailor so COB is angry" legitimate, if it wasn't so obvious that she was mostly in the right (even moreso to the audience over the characters as we saw glee-bully was pulling the trigger). She shot a sailor who was holding their EXO at gunpoint and sabotaging their radar(?) ability. Writers: make it more questionable what happened, even if only to the characters, if you want us to both take the characters credibly and have this COB-LT fight. For very easy example: instead of having EXO find the jamming, have Grace find it and then have a simultaneous gun pull between Grace and glee-boy. The whole crew's life is in danger, Grace is a little nervous, she fires - she's still on the right side, the action is more ambiguous, and the COB can be upset for using deadly force when it was unwarranted.

---By the way, thanks for getting rid of glee-boy - I didn't really buy him as a character in this show.



Other Comments (while cringing at Grace's primal screams "NOOO," "YEAAAHH!"):

-Opening scene of Ep. 2 with the engagement of the Perseus system: I'm a little confused by the situation/timing of everything. I know virtually nothing about sonar, but Based on their sonar reading, it seemed like there were ships on all sides of them, which means that either they're still near the island which is at the center of the no-man's-land or else a number of ships have crossed the 200 mile line in order to get in circular positions around the submarine. And yet sonar-man says 2 ships (the Princeton and the Monterey) have reached the perimeter, 16 other signatures closing on them (it would seem he meant "but not at the perimeter yet" but the sonar shows them to be closer to the sub then the two ships at the perimeter and also the sonar shows more then "16 other" signatures, so maybe he ruled some of them out as ships?). AND it seems like it's implied that the Illinois is the only ship testing the 200 mile boundary yet, so what? (I probably haven't explained by confusion clearly enough). Anyway, final point on
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Anyway, final point on this. So they're going to scare the Illinois and the suddenly they're right next to them. Was that just a way over-rushed time skip (200 miles from the island for a submarine is going to take several hours) or way they stupidly patrolling near the 200 mile boundary without the Perseus engaged in a manner that if they were detected by the Illinois, it could sink them well before they had a chance to fire the Tridents???

-Didn't it seem like to anybody else that the battle-prep scene (where EXO and LT. are talking in a field of hills... by the way, what? About to be attacked by special forces and you stand in a field to talk for cinematic purposes when you have Comms?) takes place in a different area then the battle scene? Maybe it's just the different angles.

---But anyway, pretty pathetic Spetsnaz. They had to expect their insertion was kind of suspicious and should've taken extra care to either avoid or be careful in crossing an open field (which hopefully they had analyzed their path to town from satellite imagery before they jumped in).

-Ignoring the slight cheesiness of the whole figure-out-their-Russians scene (what with the quick technical genius, the mute the SecDef, etc.), how long has Chaplin been a submarine captain??? He says that Victor and he called off the Cold War for a moment so that a Russian sailor could get some air that's back in the 80s.

-I think Grace will be a good character eventually, but her nervousness and uncertainty are being a bit overplayed - I know tough to be a woman in a man's military especially in command over the enlisted and on the cramped quarters of a submarine, but she's probably been putting up with crap for years at Navy and had to expect it (and really, you've got to be pretty tough to go through all of that). And then on the other-side of the pendulum, to show the growth they're overplaying the strength - she apologizes for not being able to secure whatever hill in the fight, but then she finds the strength and goes storming out, takes a bullet, and lets out a primal scream. Allow the strength/growth to be shown in how she deals with the people around her, like standing up to COB, Hawkes, etc.

-By the way, did Chaplin really let that insubordination by one of his sailors to the LT at the make-shift jail just slide? I know he has a delicate line to tow to prevent a mutiny, but if you want a serviceable officer to be of use, you can't let some punk who is clearly on COB's side ignore her orders. Also, he probably shouldn't be guarding the COB. Though it does seem like at some point COB will lead a group of men against the Cap'n, right after he waltzes out of the jail because is guard is one of his loyals.

-Speaking of COB again, did they ever explain why he's in the brig? Yeah, he's been a dick, but are we supposed to assume he ordered glee-boy to jam the equipment or did I just miss something else?

-For some reason, every time I hear the Deputy Secretary of Defense's voice over the loudspeaker, it takes me out of the "realness" of the show. I don't know exactly what it is, but there's something very inauthentic about the voice. Maybe it's too crisp and clean (like the guy is standing in a recording booth) or maybe the guy's actual voice makes him seem like a voice actor instead of a person.





One more thing before I'm done ranting: I love that there's lots of plot lines and characters, and I like that they're trying to keep the show (especially the first episode) moving at a frenetic pace both to send the tense tone of the series and to prevent boredom in the viewer, but when you have a lot to say, you have to be very careful about placing and the structure of episodes. Particularly in the pilot, I felt like they should've stretched things out a bit with a 2-hour episode instead of jamming it into 1-hour and trimming until it fit. I assume they were just trying to set everything up initially (which is why 2 hours would've helped), and hopefully they'll pick a couple plots each week to follow up on.





Well, that was exhausting. Anyway, as I said, I really like the potential for the show, which is the only reason I would need to vent like this over perceived issues or confusions. But aside from the show as a whole, I do like a few other things:

-At the beginning of the pilot the House is issuing articles of impeachment for the President and generals/admirals are resigning left and right. This will obviously become a major issue/plot point later, and while it is a little odd that nobody has mentioned it, especially amongst this political mess, I absolutely love that it was barely mentioned (just on television for a couple of seconds before anything interesting in the series happens, so we immediately forget this once everything hits the fan - this is what I was talking about earlier) and hasn't come up again. Hopefully they'll spring it on us again with an interesting reveal/twist/whatever and not just have someone mention it as part of the background (e.g. The secretary stating "With the president dealing with his impeachment hearing I'm calling the shots.").

-That Admiral Shepherd's phone call with Grace was cut off by MPs without explanation. Hopefully something good comes of this - like the Admiral is being forced to resign or investigated or something, and it just doesn't go unnoticed like he was okay with it and goes on with his job. And what did he and Reeser talk about? Again, good not to give us it every episode.

-Obviously Chaplin's speech at the end of the pilot was brilliant and chilling and delivered perfectly (as well as the musical score and montage type voice-over), but I also really liked his remarks with EXO and LT on top of the NATO station about potentially starting over on the island. While it did seem to a couple a little early in his through process (it's been a few hours since his world got fluxed and he's already thinking about quitting the U.S. and starting his own country? How about trying to fix it first?), it gives us an interesting insight into his mental state (makes more sense now that he would consider it given his son's death by friendly-fire (hence, "Blue-on-Blue") and his attempted destruction by friendly-(not-so-friendly)-fire.

-Speaking of NATO, I think the two NATO characters could be great side characters caught up in the middle and forced to make some tough personal decisions.

-The Illinois is bound to be seen again after back-to-back mentions/appearances I'm just waiting for the moment the captain of the Illinois pulls a Chaplin and questions his orders also.





I'm sure there's more in there, but I think this quite enough. Cheers to you if you bothered reading all the way through my rambling. What do you guys think about this stuff?
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It was increadible again, man I really hope this goes on for a while and people start watching, I agree that I loved every plot line, and great acting from various people.
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Thought this might head down the Terra Nova route but happy to see a very good show developing. if they keep the 90210 stuff out, keep it kid free and no babies this could easily develop into a great show.
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I totally expected the pilot to be mediocre at best like most of the hyped new shows in the past few years. I was wrong.



Then I expected the second episode to take the usual nosedive so many high profile shows took after the pilot. Man, was I wrong. Again.



Please keep disappointing me in this manner, Last Resort :-)
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Oh, I just figured out who the pretty woman in the bar is. She was on Being Human!
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Also "Dollhouse".
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Also Miracle Day as backwards head girl. What, that was awful and everyone wants to forget it? Nevermind.
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So THAT'S where Ive seen her!



Well done!
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Loved the episode! Starting to really feel for the characters! I really hope this gets picked up and does well!

And what I loved more than the episode ... what Price Peterson's review!! Oh, Price, you need to review more often! Can't wait until TVD is back on air for those!



But seriously, this show is good and totally underrated!
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Oh my dear god: THE RATINGS.



This is all I can think after the second episode. Don't tell me I was right with my Dead Pool whatever list because I'm already in love with all the characters, the pacing and the themes of this really promising show.

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How many speeches or pep talks do these characters need!? Wow.

"Hey I'm headed to the bathroom, watch my 6"

"You're Friends are trying to wipe us off the face of the earth and you need to pee?... Let me remind you that diplomacy......."



I was a fan of the Pilot, but this episode was strike 1.
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Boooored! This is not a show for me...
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I really liked this episode...but for me, non English speaker, is so difficult to understand, too much military talk. I have to get the subtitles and re-watch it sooner or later...
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If it takes 6 or 7 hours to paddle in from 140 miles out, wouldn't it just take 9 hours to it from 200 miles out? And not tip off the people on the island that your coming?

The problem with this show is going to be the reluctance to actually kill anybody. You can only fire so many unarmed torpedoes and offshore nukes before there's no stakes anymore. The people on the island just want to go home and don't want jeopardize their ability to do that. I can't imagine ABC actually airing an episode that has American troops fighting each other.

The confinement on the island I think will be a detriment to the show in the long run. There's only so much action that can occur before it starts to feel like a 'Nation of the Week' invading the Island? Is Tartarkastan real? Is their main export relish and mayonnaise?

I don't want to be negative, but I felt like I was holding my breath for the entire pilot. This episode paled in comparison. The problem with setting the bar so high is reaching it each week. I don't think they did in episode 2, but it's still better than 90% of the other stuff on TV.
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You think there is a generic ABC studio casting call and maybe the guy playing James King was in the running to play some role on OUAT?
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I loved this episode and I can't wait for the next one. Since "Persons Unknown" I'm a huge fan of Daisy Betts. It was great to see Grace Shepard as a competent soldier in action. I really like her character. Hope she stays that way.



I guess the Navy Seals got bad info or were tricked by the enemy which resulted in Pakistan Armageddon.



The Illinois is sure to come back. I can't really imagine they would show us a new "enemy" submarine each week.



Russian miitary leaders should be ashamed that their Specnaz unit was defeated by just one sniper. Big waste of money.
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This is fast becoming one of my top 5-and that is a very rarefied group of shows!!!!!

Also, POI is just simply fantastic! Breaking bad may move down out of the 5 if it doesn't do something fantastic!!!!
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