News Briefs: Does Game of Thrones Already Have an End Date?

MAYBE THIS IS TOO PREMATURE NEWS

... HBO's Game of Thrones already has an end date in mind, even if George R.R. Martin hasn't written it yet. Series producer Frank Doelger said, "...we'll probably go through seven seasons." That would match the number of books in the series, but keep in mind that book three, A Storm of Swords, is being stretched into two seasons, meaning two books would have to be crammed into one season. Also, it's only Season 3 so it's way too early to be talking about this. In fact, I think we should all ignore his comment completely. [Rolling Stone]


BUSINESS TIME

... The unaired episodes of Don't Trust the B---- in Apartment 23 are now online! All eight of them are available for viewing on ABC.com, in the ABC Player app, on Hulu, and on iTunes. [ABC via press release]

... American Idol aired its finale last night and somebody won (who cares, right?). But more importantly, only 13.61 million viewers tuned in, an all-time low for an Idol finale and the first time that one drew less than 20 million viewers. Last year, 21.15 million viewers tuned in to see Phillip Phillips take the crown. For those of you who went to public school, that's a difference of almost eight million viewers which is quite a bit, let me tell you. [Deadline Hollywood]

... Amazon has passed on its Zombieland pilot, one of several inaugural pilots for its original programming initiative. Creator Rhett Reese blamed the fan base for the pilot's failure, citing early negative buzz, but really the problem was that it sucked. [IGN]


CASTING NEWS

... More singing-show judge news. This time, former Destiny's Child member Kelly Rowland is rumored to be joining the judges' table at The X Factor. I know, exciting! [EW]

... Ugly Betty star America Ferrera might be returning to television. The actress is taking a look at ABC's in-development Pedro & Maria, a modern-day take on Romeo & Juliet about lovers from opposite ends of the socioeconomic spectrum. Maria is a Puerto Rican daughter of wealthy real-estate developers and Pedro is a Dominican son from the slums of Washington Heights. The network is eyeing the project as a limited-run event rather than a full-fledged series. [EW]

... Surprise, surprise. How I Met Your Mother's mother, who was identified in this season's finale and is played by Cristin Milioti, will be a series regular next year. [TV Line]

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Season 1 = A Game of Thrones (2011)
Season 2 = A Clash of Kings (2012)
Season 3 = A Storm of Swords Part I (2013)
Season 4 = A Storm of Swords Part II/A Feast for Crows Part I (2014)
Season 5 = A Feast for Crows Part II/A Dance with Dragons (2015)
Season 6 = The Winds of Winter (2016)
Season 7 = A Dream of Spring (2017)
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It wouldn't surprise me a bit if they combined books 4 and 5 into one season. It would be tough, but doable. Maybe an expanded season of 12 episodes?

The last I heard GRRM was talking two more books, but he added that wasn't set in stone. Based on the story, I'm guessing there's no way he's done in less than three more books. So 8 books.
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book adaptation will never mach the reading experince
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I liked ZLand! And oh, now I can catch up on all the Bitch in the apartment episodes!!! About as fun as morning sickness!!!!
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Already not feeling Pedro & Maria. Why does it always have to be the girl who comes from the wealthy family rather than the guy? Because women are worthless without a dowry - excuse me - inheritance? Antiquated ideas, much? I'll stick to shows actually trying to keep up with the times and not look down on half its potential audience.
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GoT will be somewhere between 7 and 9 seasons. Let's just clear some things up: 1) HBO already has plot outlines and creative permission to finish out the last 2 books if GRRM dies. 2) The number and/or length and/or organization of the books is only peripherally relevant - keep in mind the < 200 pages of the Hobbit is the nucleus of 9 hours of movie. The >6000 pages of this series in its completed form could easily fill 7 or 8 or 9 or 10 seasons... in fact if I was a billionaire I'd be paying for 10 x 24 episode seasons! 3) HBO is making money on this hand over fist - no contractual or publication-related or organizational inconveniences are going to stop them from carrying it as long as is reasonable without watering it down.
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Your attributions are shit. For those of us who care what real journalists have to say it would be nice to be able to distinguish where the Rolling Stones quote ends and your idiocy begins.

Journalism mean anything to you?
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As far as I'm concerned, there's only one plotline and it's "The Winter is Coming", the rest are just clever distractors placed everywhere.
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it lost me after the first season too many plotlines and i got pretty annoyed by expecting a hell of a showdown betweeen starks lannisters and drogo but that just got scrapped in mere minutes
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That GoT non-news look like a perfect example of non-news making headlines...

Seriously? it will be more or less like the number of books unless it gets cancelled which looks at this point unlikely seeing the ratings and the kudos HBO gets from it...
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7 seasons (sometimes 8) is what shows with short seasons need to reach the needed amount of episodes to get into syndication.
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There are only 5 books in the Game Of Thrones series, Tim, and this guy will probably kick the bucket like Robert Jordan before he finishes it. Between doing work on the TV series and attending comic-cons and writing shows plus playing with his little tin men, this guy couldn't finish an application, let alone a book series. Plus, he makes far too much money by keeping the story open ended to ever want to give it a decent conclusion. He never heard of the fact that good stories have a beginning, a middle, AND AN END.
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The series GoT will end on TV when it's fan base drops. As for the ending, one should remember that Martin dropped us into his "world" and has only hinted at things before the contents of his books and could end the series anywhere leaving all of us wondering but never knowing what happened or even "could have" happened after the books - however many there are. But I really hope he doesn't.......
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When it comes to the GoT end date, I'm reminded of Legend of the Seeker. Although that series didn't follow the books as closely. But TV is a different medium than literature and it was always ambitious for anyone to adapt so many books at once. It's also possible that some of the books could be skipped, with the critical parts being put into later episodes. And if Martin writes the script for the final episode, or at least is active in it's creation, then the ending should the same as the books.

If anything, we're seeing more and more questions raised and characters introduced without resolution. It's like last year's season finale never happened. I think the patience of the audience could wear out before the ending if there isn't a little more movement with the story.
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God I loved that series - it was actually doing really well in ratings for a genre series. In the end it was a casualty of the MGM bankruptcy and poor promotion since ABC wouldn't spend its own money to advertise an MGM-produced series. Still is one of the highest rated shows on iTunes, Netflix, and Amazon.
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sword of truth is a bad comparison i dont know how they ever expected to fit a story so dark full of murder treachery and rape oh so much rape into a children friendly series. Dont get me wrong i love both versions except the rape...
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There were no need to give an end to GoT, especially since Martin isn't even close to be done with his books. So I guess Doelger just gave a random number just to give something for that writer to write.

And, seriously, Reese, you're blaming the fan for that awful pilot? Everybody I know wanted to like your stupid series, even though we would all have prefer an actual sequel, but it was T-E-R-R-I-B-L-E... period. 'Made you wish you never care about "Zombieland" in the first place. So extremely happy it wasn't greenlight, so it won't tainted the good name of the first movie any further.
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4 and 5 are just two halves of the same book so they could def put it into 1 season.
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This is t.v and they will not want to give actors a whole year off, but what do they do with the other half of book five which is where the stories converge again?
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They have to merge the 2 books in the same season, they can't put that many actors "on hold".
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My point exactly. But the only way they'll really be able to pull it off successfully is they'll have to treat it like one book than divide it into two seasons like they are doing with the third book
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Hate to say it, but I worry that 7 seasons of GoT is a business decision, not a story decision.

If I remember this right, many TV talent contracts are 7 seasons long. If GoT has 7-year contracts, they can only guarantee the original cast for 7 seasons. If they go longer, they'll likely lose some actors who demand overly large raises or choose to leave the show for other opportunities. Then they would have to kill off characters that live in the books, or awkwardly sub in look-alike actors. Blech.
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Like any characters in GoT survive for 7 seasons =P
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I love Game Of Thrones, and while I don't mind the show ending after 7 seasons I certainly would like to see more episodes per season.

I wanted to like Zombieland, I really did, as I enjoyed the movie very much. However; the tv show didn't even follow it's own rules, no double taps, no head shots, entirely too cheesy with the humor whereas the movie was more subtle. I still giggled at points during the show, but not in what could be described as a good way. I was also willing to overlook the fact that they recast the characters as that does happen from time to time, Batman, James Bond, etc.
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It'd be really nice if USA also picked up Don't Trust the B. Would make a really good companion piece to Happy Endings. I never got the crossover I knew was bound to happen.
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they should! I love don't trust the B in apt 23, and it would pair perfectly with happy endings. From your mouth to USA execs' ears.
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"Also, it's only Season 3 so it's way too early to be talking about this. In fact, I think we should all ignore his comment completely."

Yeah, it's a good idea to ignore that. I remember when the Smallville producers said that show was going to end after 5 seasons(I think it was during their 3rd season also). Then they went 5 more seasons after the 5th.
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Not the same thing. Not even close. Smallville was WB/CW making a show of a known super hero. No series long story.

Game of Thrones is a book turned into a tv. The TV only lasts as long as books do. Only going to be 7 books and so that means 7 seasons. I heard book 3 will be 2 seasons but books 4 and 5 are two halves of same book and how they film they can turn it into 1 season.
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That's not true !
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Kelly Rowland is the never to be taken too seriously illegitimate Queen of, Whatever! She hangs about like a lesson to all those wannabees that, in the current culture of 1st, 2nd.. ad finitum we're all winners and, you too can achieve just by sticking about. Personable, yes. Major talent to aspire to? No. Perfect for The X Factor.
Producers such as Frank Doelger et al. love to spin doubt about the duration of an offering, to lamely cause fear at its premature demise (much like Viagra), but we all know a Dr. may well be needed to be called to safely put it down.
Too much of a good thing being more likely. Where did I put that number...
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Makes sense. Book 4 and 5 will probably make up a single season, because they take place simultaneously and they're not exactly action packed either. Following this logic, so far we have book material for five seasons, with the remaining two books making up the other two. That is, if GRRM doesn't change his mind again and makes it into eight, nine or even more books...
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Don't Trust the Bitch online neither! I'll watch 'em, but I hate watching TV shows online. Is there a way I can make it cost ABC more though?

Wow, American Idol proves that it's not about the singing, it's about the judges. Now if it could just prove it can go away forever, that'd be fine, all these phony "idols" who are trotted around the country like show ponies.
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"...I hate watching TV shows online."
So do I. Why not connect physically or via new fangled wifi to a tv?
At least even show ponies get to STICK around forever.
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I just don't like the online experience, it's slow, it's generally poor quality, it's awkward, and it has a lot of ads and glitches. I have my HDTV hooked up to my PC and I have an app which I can use my Android tablet or phone to control the PC directly (as a pointer, remote, keyboard, it has a bunch of different configs), plus my video card has a system so I can just hit alt+m to switch monitors or alt+c to clone monitors, so it's not that I can't do it.
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Your local burglars appreciate the reply. :p
Yes. Offerings all too often resemble early MS codecs and appear to have been edited by a bored work experience student whose only pleasure is to randomly add huge ad breaks.
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Well, I didn't describe the weapon collection that they can meet if they try. ;-)

My favorite may be the "you sat through this ad, the video starts playing, then it starts playing the same ad over it a few seconds later", great marketing skillz.
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Losing both Apartment 23 & Happy Endings in one TV season basically killed me, but I'm extremely glad we got those Apartment 23 episodes! I'll be marathoning them for sure, heck I may even just start from the beginning of the season, and watch it. In order this time *glares at ABC*!
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Yeah, but nothing of worth is happening in books 4 and 5, they'll squeeze some book 4/5 in the next season and fit the rest in season 5. So 7 seasons sounds good enough.
I'm more interested to see what happens when the TV show catches up with the books, are they going to sit and wait for Martin to write the next book?...
They have book 3 part 2 planed for 2014. 4/5 in 2015. And by then, I guess, Martin could finish book 6, so here's one more season (2016). But then what? Because there's no chance in hell that Martin could finish book 7 till 2017.
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At the rate of 2000 words a day, a writer can finish a novel in a few months. So it's very possible. It's just the publishing part of things that's slow. It takes a least a year now to get a book out, even after the book has been accepted for publication.
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Well, if you were familiar with Martin's work, you'd know better.
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As I understand it, the showrunners already know the ending for enough major players to finish the show by themselves.
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So, you mean, Martin will allow them to spoil the work of his life? That's weird, even for Martin.
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Not only that but Martin gave them his blessing according to DVD commentaries (the show has an ending, no matter what),
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Wow, I'm very sad to hear (read) that. They must have paid him a serious cash for him to agree on such terms. Or maybe he's confident that he'll manage to write the books in time...
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Zombieland : WEAK!! so disappointed (Tim's right... IT SUCKS!!)
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I'm still pissed they're going to spend the whole nine season of HIMYM on the wedding.
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I's still curious about how could they end the next 24 episodes without turning How I Met Your Mother into 24 the wedding.
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Because I'm still fuming over its cancelation, I'm only half-rejoicing at the remaining episodes of the B in 23 being released. I'll also have to find a different way to watch it as ABC is only allowed in the US while the iTunes releases are about 4 bucks per episode.

I watched about 7 of the Amazon pilots, and Zombieland was probably one of the worst. It obviously has high potential, but the actors kinda sucked and the pilot as a whole kinda sucked. They certainly didn't do themselves any favors by sticking with Columbus, Tallahassee, Wichita, and Little Rock, all replaced by worse actors, rather than creating new characters.
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Does anyone realize that Arya will be like in her twenties a the end of seven series? How they will explain it? Longest autumn ever?
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She's 16 now(I think) and she easily looks 12 when in character.
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emilia clarke is 20 something, she's supposed to be 14/17 depending on the book/series.
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this never stopped actors in their 20s or even 30s playing teenagers in many series.
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I really hope they don't try to cram two books into one season, unless they make that season twenty episodes long (which is incredibly unlikely). They've split book three into two season to try to cover everything and made each episode a few minutes longer adding up to about a full episode's worth of time more than past season, yet they STILL have to cut some stuff out, there's no way they could do the last two books justice if they only gave each five episodes. HBO has done such a good job with ASOIAF so far it would be a damn shame for they to fuck it up in the home stretch.
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Seven seasons of GoT? Don't they mean seven (or X number of) seasons and a movie? Or since we're talking about GoT it should obviously be a movie trilogy.
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only if they are 3 hours each so they make almost a season in total
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its time to kick idol to the curb!!!
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Great, of course ABC only lets people inside the US view the remaining episodes. -.-
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With so much material to go through, I don't know why they're bothering with the Theon torture scenes. They're great and everything but pointless at this... er, point.
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I agree, but at the same time they couldn't really just not use the character for two seasons then bring him back in season 5 (and hope that in the intervening years the actor didn't move on to something else).
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If they write it into the contract, they wouldn't have to rely on hope.

However, I have been told enough about what happens in the books to understand that the TV show needs these scenes, or at least some of them. (The book did something that can't be done on TV, so they need to do things differently).

The lack of progress in Bran's scenes are equally disturbing to me. Every time we see that group, the situation seems to be pretty much the same. It doesn't make any sense to have a Bran scene in every episode if they're all just going to sit around not really doing anything.

To some extent this has been true for Arya's story as well (this season only), but I'm guessing that things are about to get more interesting.
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Oh, that's right... they do have to take a different approach to Theon's storyline. Didn't consider that.

Arya's story this season has really been Beric Dondarrion's... but that's about to change, her being with the Hound and all.
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Yeah, blame the fanbase. That always goes over well. And on Twitter? Enjoy that.
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According to the newest TV Guide, the problem with Idol this season was that it was "boring" and "the songs they picked were so slow." I don't understand; this has always been the show.
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Not really. Early seasons were kinda fun.
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Maybe Game of Thrones could leave out the 5th book? Thanks.
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Things... happened in the 5th. I say move a couple of things from book 4 and skip the rest.
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Books 4 and 5 blur together in my mind in a haze of boringness. They should probably combine the good stuff from both and ditch the rest. Problem solved!
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Damn, I really wanted a Zombieland series. In good news, the Bitch is back! At least in my apartment. And I'm actually stoked on the HIMYM format for the final season.
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the creator of zombieland seriously blamed the fan base? wow.
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I love when creators blame fans for a show's failure. Bitter much?
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It would be inpossible to cram ASOIAF into seven seasons. Cause they will probably need 2 season for the upcoming TWOW, since it is supposed to be longer than ASOS. Then again, the producers said that if Martin doesn't finish the books in time they would not wait for him, and they're supposed to know the ending already. So they might start doing their own thing. You also gotta keep in mind some of the young actors, Maise wont be able to play a twelve year old for long.
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I heard somewhere that if that indeed happens they will stop GoT for a while and do a spin-off showing the War against The Mad King. It would be a nice way to see Ned Stark again.
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We've got to keep in mind A Feast for Crows and A Dance With Dragons are parallel events too, they happen at the same time for several characters, if the show tells the story in a linear fashion there should not be problem to end in six or seven seasons.
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It would definitely be a refreshing change to see Sean Bean survive until the end of a series/movie. I always prepare myself for when I see his face that he ain't going to make it.
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But the big question here is will Martin allow the TV show to reveal the ending of ASOIAF before he can write it? If it at some point the TV shows pass the book releases (looks very likely), it seems to be a very sticky situation to get into because the TV show will reveal stuff that the books havent.

BIG SPOILER AHEAD!
Example of a reveal: In the TV show, Robb's wife is pregnant which means that he was succeeded by a young one that can eventually take over Winterfell. In the books, Jeyne being pregnant and therefore not in the Red Wedding was just a theory. Now that theory has gained some momentum thanks to the TV show. How many more such theories will be proven by the TV shows before we can discover them in the books.
END OF SPOILER
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Theon's plot is already from the latest book, so I don't see the problem to advance with storylines like Bran's or Daenerys's and maintain the time frame of the main story arc intact; in 4 years from now most of the Stark children are going to be adults anyway - and Rickon is not going to stay a child forever . so 7 seasons seems reasonable.
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Maybe at it's current rate of only 10 episodes a season, but if the number of episodes was doubled then it shouldn't be a problem.
There's no guarantee that all the books will be adapted. It's possible the TV series could end around book 5, possibly with a made-up ending. There is no rule requiring that all the books have to be adapted. And if you look at anime, it's common for those anime based upon manga to finish before the manga does.
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They've said they would love to do more episodes, but they don't have time (or probably money) for any more. Since it is so effects heavy, it takes a lot of time to produce each episode. They said they were handing in effects shots for Blackwater a week before it aired and actually handed in the finished episode to HBO to review with literally only minutes to spare.
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Still no word on CULT's remaining eps. online, huh? I'm really hoping this will happen.
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Well you have to bear in mind with the GOT comment that they were planning on possibly adapting Martin's novellas set before A Song of Ice and Fire in between some seasons of GOT to give Martin more time to finish the novels with the series catching up so fast. So while there may be a break between seeing our favorite Westeros characters there will still be a show going on until the saga comes to a close even it takes a few years to get the series fleshed out and written.
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R.R. Martin said they were thinking about doing those, but I think they would be completely separate. Since its 100 years earlier, none of the GoT characters would be in them. They can't take a break from the series because they would not be able to keep all the employees and actors. That was the problem Spartacus had when Andy got sick, so they do the prequel to keep everyone on payroll and avoid losing cast to other series.
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First time i hear this, when was this announced? It will be fun to see the tales of Dunk and Egg on screen, but GOT will lose some viewers as people dont like to wait much.
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Idol's numbers are pretty telling about the audience. Since season seven, the winner has been a cute white guy with a guitar. This season is probably the first time since Kelly Clarkson that the person I liked the most won.
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Does the news mean that we have "7 more seasons" or "7 seasons TOTAL"? If we have 7 more seasons, it makes sense:
Season 1 - game of thrones
Season 2: Clash of Kings
Season 3: Storm of Swords: Steel and Snow
Season 4: Storm of Swords: Blood and Gold
Season 5: Feast for Crows/Dance with Dragons
Season 6: Feast for Crows/Dance with Dragons
Season 7: Winds of Winter
Season 8: Winds of Winter
Season 9: Dream of Spring
Season 10: Dream of Spring

BUT if it is only 7 seasons then how does it work?
Season 1: Game of Thrones
Season 2: Clash of Kings
Season 3: Steel and Snow
Season 4: Blood and Gold
Season 5: Feast for Crows/Dance with Dragons (they will have to cut A LOT)
Season 6: Winds of Winter
Season 7: Dream of Spring

Then again, they can probably skip Feast for crows completely and I dont think we will mind too much.
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I'm assuming the cut season would be to combine Feast and Dance. We already are doing Theons story. A bunch of other stuff was just them walking around. I honestly don't even remember any major things happening in Feast. That was the worst book.
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i though the mother in HIMYM would be played by Manti Te'o's Imaginary Girlfriend
shame that didn't happen !
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Slightly spoiler-ish...

Game Of Thrones - Season 1
Clash Of Kings - Season 2
Storm Of Swords Part 1 - Season 3
Storm Of Swords Part 2 - Season 4
Feast For Crows/Dance With Dragons Part 1 - Season 5
Feast For Crows/Dance With Dragons Part 2 - Season 6
Winds Of Winter Part 1 - Season 7
Winds Of Winter Part 2 - Season 8
Dream Of Spring - Season 9

I think AFFC/ADWD will be put together because the books run concurrently so it would only make sense for them to be aired concurrently. I also put TWOW for two seasons even though it's not out yet because George RR Martin has already said that he expects ADWD to be as long as and potentially longer than ADWD, and right now ADWD is setting up for a lot of major events in TWOW that will probably not be covered in just 10 episodes. So I think that 9 seasons in total is the most realistic.
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I don't even want to think about Game of Thrones ending. It's..painful D: And anyway, I think they're merging books 4 and 5 - not much happened in those books (well a lot happened, but not much that I think would make great TV...) so I think they could relatively easily compress them into one season.
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I know what I'm watching on Hulu tonight... I think GOT has a larger concern than how long they want to last, book 6 doesn't even have a release date yet, so we could be seeing multiple year break between later seasons if he doesn't get to writing the final books. I could see how it could be 7 seasons if the final two books are significantly smaller and less packed than Storm of swords, but I doubt that, and this is assuming they speed through a feast of Crows, which frankly was a tad boring. Finally some good news on the final season of HIMYM.
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Rhett Reese is right, it is the fanbase's fault the show failed.. because it was the worst pilot I have ever seen. the fans of the movie won't want to watch a crap tv show based on it. clearly each episode would've been them trying to find a new survivor to join them, only to have them die that episode. like i said, it was crap.
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