Once Upon a Time "Child of the Moon" Review: Pack Mentality

Once Upon a Time S02E07: "Child of the Moon"


I really enjoyed last night's episode of Once Upon a Time, can I say? Very enjoyable and entertaining. The razzliest, the dazzliest! I gotta call something out, though: Storybrooke is a total nightmare and everyone in it is insane. Thank GOODNESS they are under self-imposed quarantine, or else our government would have to move fast to backhoe every last one of them into the ocean. How fast are these motherf**kers willing to form an angry mob? I guess that's just the fairy-tale-peasant instinct within, they'll be halfway through a game of Words With Friends and a glass of wine and suddenly someone yells something in the street and they dip a torch in the fireplace, haul out a rusty pitchfork, and jog on out there. Keep going right into a ravine, you idiots. In 28 years nothing about 'due process' sank in? Shame on you.

Also, King George/Storybrooke's premiere gynecologist took an ax to a man to unseat a local interim sheriff. That is some daaaaark shiznit. Well, someone has to wreak havoc now that Regina's just a chill babysitter. (OBVIOUSLY King George's Storybooke career is as a gynecologist, this guy magicked an IUD potion out of berries and whispers while he was still in FTL.) Even the good guy (there is only one) Henry is now slipping into an insane Freddy Krueger nightmare-scape. (Lawyer up, New Line!)

Anyway, nevermind Storybrooke: How fun was this episode? I love any movie about cults and "Child of the Moon" was all about Ruby joining her mom's crazy wolf cult. I basically fell in love with Ruby's mom, by the way. She gave transforming into a wolf a very witchy-woman Stevie-Nicks-feather-hair-extension vibe. Leather corsets, lace gauntles, an underground lair full of hot guys, what is this, Lost Boys? Ruby's mom may not have bothered much with trying to reclaim her daughter from Granny, but when you're busy with this life why would you bother ?

Ruby only made it through one group run and didn't even get to the big fun group orgy when Snow White came barging in, bringing sorrow behind her as surely as a cat brings a gritty little asshole. Snow I love you but you are such trouble. She was not even in the luxurious Stevie Nicks Wolf Palace for five minutes when the hottest guy there got killed by a stray arrow. For no reason. First Graham, then Gus BY AX, now this guy by arrow. Is OUaT allergic to hot guys? Is Ruby?

And by the way, re:Gus/Billy, this curse was an upgrade for basically everyone but Snow White. Gus—a dumb, obese mouse—became a handsome young man in FTL. Presumably there are other characters who were caribou, potato bugs, etc. They all owe Regina a thank-you note for rescuing them from a life of sleeping in a hollow log in the forest.

Also, the detail that everyone (David especially) was glossing over was that Ruby literally loses control when she becomes a wolf. She ATE HER HIGH SCHOOL BOYFRIEND ON ACCIDENT. I was actually very impressed with how responsible she was being, reasonably trying to contain herself for her first full moon after the curse. David's feel-good nonsense about what a good person she was honestly didn't apply to the fact she had previously eaten BF Peter without realizing it. Bodies were DROPPING and David decided, rather than let Ruby shut herself in the library until they figured out why, to just ASSUME there was a serial killer loose.

In that sense, the villagers would have been absolutely right to elect a new sheriff via torches and night-marches, because David was acting a fool.

Of course by the end of the episode he was vindicated and also he was able to talk to a full-blown wolf (a.k.a. Meghan Ory crouched down in a greenscreen-colored sweatsuit and ski mask) with his heart or something. Guess Peter didn't nurture Red's self esteem quite the same way... so she ate him and his bones. Sucks to be you, Peter!

And about that, let's look at the facts: She ate her high-school BF rather than run off with him, she was excited/relieved about Belle offering a girl's night to save her from a date with a cute guy, she very sexily chained Belle up, and she killed her own mother to protect her bestie Snow. (That is so goth, by the way. Makeup explained!) So I am just going to assume Ruby's supernatural powers are a metaphor for her lesbian sexuality a la Gingersnaps. Look this show is just a stew of Disney properties and pop-culture fantasy anyway, so I say feel free to throw in a little spice of your own now and again.

P.S. Fans of Meghan Ory's sexuality in any form, though, I need to talk to you about a little series called:

VAMPIRE HIGH. Yes, Vampire High, available in its entirety on Netflix Instant, and which I am currently making my way through and loving to pieces.

Despite being filmed in 2001, this is a very proudly '90s high-school drama about a boarding school with a clique of vampire students in its basement. It's Netflix gold and it stars Ory as the Nina Dobrev of a very protean Twilight show.

She wears so many chokers and square-heeled shoes and spaghetti tanks and shiny trenchcoats and lives in a GIANT dorm room with a roommate who makes Steph from Full House seem like a chill stoner by comparison.

Not to go too far afield from OUaT but this series MUST BE SEEN.

It has the best credit sequence ever and it's culturally significant in how close it comes to a formula that would mean zeitgeist/runaway success for Buffy, Twilight, and the The Vampire Diaries just a few years later: a teen vampire falls deeply in love with a misfit teen girl—but, insanely, the show sets it up so he can never see her. In four episodes (I'm still working through it, guys) they've met once, briefly, IN HER DREAMS because very sensibly, the teachers at the school have separated the vampire and human student bodies under threat of expulsion. See, if they had mixed it up from day one, this sh*t would probably still be airing. SO CLOSE TO THE FORMULA! And SO Meghan Ory. Bask:

Where were we? Oh yes, OUaT: The evil gynecologist stole the crushed hat so now they can't use magical fairy diamond dust and make it a portal, but luckily they can possibly control Henry's dreams and perhaps pull the Disney Princesses I guess through his brain and into our world. I did like the connection that Henry has the sleeping curse and thus he and Aurora are in the same netherworld (pretty horrible that Aurora's soul spent 28 years on a disco floor in hell), and you know, whatever plot devices the writers need to unite the characters, I say sure. I don't care how you do it, just do it, because half a cast in each world is wearing thin on m'nerves.

So, to ratings:


PRODUCT PLACEMENT: Not much, unless they're going to be selling the Red Riding Hood in Disney stores. They did remind everyone about lovable Gus, though, before throwing his mangled body on the altar of plot development. One star.


CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT: Four out of five stars! We answered a big question about Ruby. I'd give this five out of five except Charming's insistence that she "trust herself" to the tune of possibly slaughtering the town made him seem particularly boneheaded.


RAZZLE DAZZLE/KEEPING ME ENTERTAINED: Five out of five! I loved the wolf cult and there was a ton of intriguing action and call me what you will but I loved the whole sequence of the CGI wolves boppin' about the forest:


ANNOYING REFERENCES TO BIGGER STORY: I'm giving this episode FIVE out of five stars for keeping things going this episode without any witchy hints at a larger unifying logic. Diamonds because magic, the portal hat got stolen by sleight of hand, the sleeping curse having a netherworld seemed like a fair-enough explanation to me. This is how it should work: Things happen for a reasonable albeit magical explanation, no huge question marks. Well done!


FINAL SCORE: FIFTEEN STARS OUT OF TWENTY! Holy moly that's high.



But what did YOU think?


QUESTIONS:

1. Why does this show keep killing off hot guys?

2. Had you heard of Vampire High?

3. Is Belle still getting her outfits from the library's lost and found?

4. Has Regina basically become a "good" character?

5. Do you like when this show goes dark or was Ruby accidentally killing her own mom kind of harsh?

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this was one of the best episodes of this otherwise mediocre show
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1. I don't know but it does not matter as long as they can find more.



2. Yes i tried to watch it once but could not get into it....might try again.



3.i don't think they know what to do with her, they haven't really developed her character beyond the fact that she loves gold but she knows she can not trust him, so as far as the clothes go they are playing it safe with the librarian look.



4.I agree with insanely me, she is just biding time, but that shoe is going to drop when henry's father comes to Storybrooke then there will be some serious magical drama.



5.I think the dark aspects of the show is what makes it appealing, most fairy tales did not have happy endings originally, so it makes it feel less disney like to me.
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OH, GRAHAM, I LOVED YOU SO MUCH AND WAS SO CRUSHED WHEN I WORKED OUT YOUR APPEARANCE IN THE FINALE WAS JUST A MEMORY! PLEASE COME BACK! I LOVE YOU! THERE MUST BE A WAY... BUT WAIT. IF HE CAME BACK, THEN THERE WOULDN'T BE AN EMMA, EXBOYFRIEND, HOOK TRIANGLE... WELL... FOURSOMES COULD WORK...
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The capslock really helps to sell the insane. Go you.
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1: So we can focus on the MAIN hot guys.

2: Yes. Never thought of it before now, but now I'm thinking about it...

3: I think they just want her to look more studiouswhich is ironic, considering she wanted to travel around the world and be daring and such.

4: I think it's temporary. She's organizing her priorities. I think she might slip up, but nothing too big.

5: The show needs darkness, but it also needs a healthy dose of love and light. I can't speak for the whole audience, but I know for a fact that I love almost nothing more than seeing the dark side of love, or a show based on one. Her mom was bitch anywayoh wait! She really was a bitch!

Cheesy. Lol.
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-I don't know but I find it offensive! Ok, I don't find it offensive but my eyes do because all the yummies go bye-bye too soon. Too soon. Ugh. But Red can't keep a man to save her..well, his life! I mean first Peter, then Billy Gus, then Quinn! C'mon woman! Ohh so good,I wasn't the only one that thought things got a bit sapphic with the way she was chaining up Belle? Good to know. But R.I.P Billy Gus...Stonybrooke actually beat out Mystic Falls with the "black" death. Dude didn't even make it halfway through the episode.

-No. But you pretty much piqued my interest at 90's.

- Probably. I love how the Library became the safest place for Red to go chill. Because NO ONE goes to a library anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if Belle spends her days sewing her own clothes in there and waiting for the children to make their weekly visit.

-Regina is never good. I wouldn't rule her out.

-Nah. That worked for me. I like it a little dark and Ruby with the wolf stuff, King George being a total jackass...hell even Uncle Rumple hooking lil' Henry up with a dreamcatcher necklace with special juice was kind of dark....I kept thinking about how this will come up down the road. Because Regina was right. Nothing with rumple comes w/o a price. I doubt Henry is an exception to that rule. Good stuff. Solid episode. worked for me. LOVED the review. :)
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I loved this episode. Loved it to the core. I was missing more Rumplestiltskin though.



1. I don't know why all the hot guys have to be killed off. I miss Graham.



2. I didn't hear about Vampire High. But I will watch it when I have time.



3. Belle's outfits are weird but it's all good.



4. Regina has not become a good character. I think she just basically loves Henry enough to deal with the fact he wants to live with David. LOL!



5. I love this show going dark. it's so utterly awesome.
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Loved this episode cause I just damn love Meghan Ory/Red. I thought it was awesome that she was so responsible about her murdering, even if it did come dangerously close to verging on martyrism. I was also a HUGE fan Vampire High when I was 10. It's a Canadian show so I wouldn't be surprised if people haven't heard of it but it was awesome and Meghan Ory was always my favourite character. Twilight/Vampire Diaries fans might not love it because it's a fairly cartoonish take on vampirism though. Not to be a giant spoiler or anything but I will say this, there's a main character you might want to not get attached to. It's a damn shocking death and it's honestly the stupidest reason for a character's death I've seen on television.
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You know what.. I actually liked this episode a lot. It's the first one since 'We Are Both' that really had me all excited about it all. Last week's episode kinda made me wanna scratch my eyes out and cry for all eternity but this was one of the 'old' OUAT episodes that I loved so damn much.



Personally I think they're making a huuuuuuge mistake with the whole Emma and Snow being in another land and there now being 3 places to switch perspective from, the writers obviously can't handle it. Also they are introducing too many new characters that have no depth and that I truly don't care about, but somehow they are getting far more screen time than the characters we all love from last season which causes for some of the favourites to just be ignored an entire episode (cough, Regina, cough)

This whole season has been a bit of a letdown so far but this episode (and the promo for the next one) has made me a bit more optimistic.



Ruby/Belle is just a match made in heaven and though I am a hardcore Swan Queen shipper I do hope we get to see a lot more of these two. They have beautiful chemistry and I truly enjoy watching them act together.



All in all.. I did like this episode and it made me realize a little why I loved OUAT so much again. Ruby is also one of my favourite characters so that helps. :)
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Um... You realize that Buffy was on the air 3 years before Vampire High, right? So really, Vampire High, Twilight, and Vampire Diaries owe it to Buffy not the other way around. Haha.
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Actually the Buffy the vampire slayer movie came out in 1992 way before... 1997 for the show.... And vampire high was 2001....
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This show has gone from mediocre to bad to flat out terrible. I think I'm done.
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I didn't like this episode and I'm not even sure why.
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You didnt ask the most important question.



What was in it for Mr. Gold to help Henry???? That guy cant help someone for free if his life depended on it.
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He's always had a soft spot for kids going back to his son's vanishing. It's why he always wanted kids from people.
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While I love seeing more of Meghan Ory, I was ultimately disappointed in this episode. Instead of turning Granny's freezer into a make-shift jail cell at the last possible moment (they've only had the past month to prepare for this, btw), why didn't acting Sheriff David just put Ruby in, I don't know, the ACTUAL JAIL CELL back at the Sheriff's office. Instead David's just like, "Well, good luck with that. Sorry about your 38 frozen lasagnas. I'll take one to go please."

After discovering the dead bodies down at the pier, David is so good at detective work, he can't tell the difference between a wolf attack and murder by axe, which look almost identical except in no possible way.

So, David reluctantly locks up Ruby in the ACTUAL JAIL CELL while deciding he needed to find the real killer. Yet, this is somehow portrayed as being emotional and putting her above the town's safety. I'm pretty sure the town was completely safe from her as long as she was in the ACTUAL JAIL CELL, until the town formed a mob to kill her and David felt the need to move her to a library. Hint: libraries are not as secure as an ACTUAL JAIL CELL. Amazingly (not amazingly) she slips the chains on a gullible, clueless Belle and gets away, planning to commit suicide by angry town mob. Granny and David stop the mob from killing Ruby and reveal Albert Spencer/King George as the real murderer. So of course the angry mob allows Spencer to slip away unnoticed and somehow Granny goes from standing on top of the police car with a crossbow to laying on the ground unarmed. I guess no one noticed a husky geriatric woman hitting the ground from 5 feet up either. Worthless angry town mob.

Supposedly smart people doing stupid things in order to progress the story = bad writing. Just my two cents.
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This episode was great at showing how fracking crappy the core cast of characters is and how WHITE the Disney Universe is. So Red's wolf is Ok so long as she is Snow and Prince's meek puppy? She meets her pack and dumb Snow brings the executioners to the door so they have to kill all the dogs? They should have ate that bitch.



And seriously - just make Sarah Bolger the boys mother and kill off two facial expression Morrison because only one of these women in an actress.



The people in Storybrook are kind of major imbeciles with 30 second memories aren't they. One minute they love Charming the next minute they want him dead - why would any of these people want this moron in charge. They should call him Chief Moron.



So King George killed a dude so what do you do- just ask Chief Moron!!



First off, you make the only African American actor in the cast a Rat, then you just kill him off? Typical White Disney. I don't think I've ever seen a show this blindingly white.
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Don't forget fairy godmother and Sydney
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The Genie/Magic Mirror is African American. And he's a mouse, not a rat. A pretty lovable mouse too, one of my favorite Disney characters. I'm sad he got killed.
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I'm sad Gus got killed also. In the Cinderella cartoon, he is very sweet and lovable. I was actually hoping something nice might happen to Ruby. A new relationship with a sweet guy would have been wonderful for her.



But I do think that the show is in desperate need of diversity. The magic mirror is one of the few minorities that we've seen and he hasn't even been on a single episode this season.
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If this show continues down the same path as it has been it will not see a season three. It has its moments, to be sure, but so far for the entire season two it has sucked badly.
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I actually liked this episode but I do agree that the show is declining. It's such a shame :(
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I don't agree either about this episode being really good, but I don't go around insulting her job as a reviewer and tell her to quit. I think even though I don't agree about this episode, her review is very funny, the Freddy Krueger thing cracked me up. It's interesting to see some other person's point of view.
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@Mey, here, I got these for you:



<3 <3 <3 <3



:-)
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SHHH!!! Careful, Devon39219!! HannahSmith will likely interpret this as an attack on her civil liberties and her constitutional right to bitch.
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Random note: So Charming had a 'skeleton key' for King George's car which he used to open the trunk.....so why did he break the window to figure out whose car it was? Couldn't he just use the key again on the door? It's a really random observation but just something that made me roll my eyes while watching, lol.
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Did anyone else find the wolves more cute than scary?
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Yes lol And they were like cartoons when they ran :P
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First, how could that Vampire High show gave way tot he success of Buffy? Isn't that just an aftermat of Buffy's TV success.. Buffy moved to Sunnydale in 1997... That's 4 years ahead of that show...



Two, was your referance of King George as a gyne just an incorporation of his stunt in the Enchanted Forrest world? or do you actually believe that he is one in Storybrook? Isn't he a D.A.?
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Uuurgh. i was like, when the mob was following king Goerge, why is nobody hit him with something. Like you said Lily, they were toeasy and to eager to believe King Goerge...and the only thing that was weird about it, was that when Ruby changed back to herself, after a long talk with Prins Charming in the alley, Goerge got away, but nobody from the mob, did anything and what happened after that with the angry mob. They were not angry anymore? They went home for a cup of tea??? What happened with all those people???



I liked Ruby from the start and it was nice to see her playing a bigger role, then normally.

It was also very refreshing to not see Gold in this episode...



I was already hoping that Henry and what's her name, would talk to eachother in the dream. and they did.....YEAH!



Love how it is keep getting darker and darker...it was also nice to see Regina really caring for henry and want to help him.....nice episode and nice review...:)

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I'm enjoying this season so far :) I've got a few predictions:



-The man we saw in the opening scene of season 2 is Gold's/Rumplestiltskin's son Bae.

> that same man is Henry's father thus making Henry Gold's/Rumplestiltskin's grandson.

> Bae might have become a thief to survive after he ran away from his foster/adoptive

parents to find a 'cure' for his Dad.

- Emma and Hook will most likely have a fling of some kind- I mean common you could light

a fire with all that SEXUAL TENSION!!!



Two questions: How fast does time pass in FTL compared with the RW in Storybrooke?

Who wrote the fairytale book that Mary Margaret gave to Henry?



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I did thought that Bae could possibly be Henry's dad., but if the time in the Enchanted Forest is parallel to Storybrook (since Mulan said that Aurora's been sleep for 28 years) then the only possibility that it could happen is if Bae was reborn when crossed, so he'd be just a bit older than Emma, or he arrived at a different timeline, since it's clear that Regina's mom was the young lady who made a deal with Rumple (in his real fairy tale story) making him already The Dark One way before Regina was born, which would say that Bae is much older than Regina, so he can't be that guy.

(am just trying to channel their way of quilting the story of LOST and apply it in here)



On a totally different note, it's quite clear that Regina's mom Cora is the Queen of Hearts from wonderland, and there's a slight chance that Dr.Frankenstein could also be the Wizard of Oz (if they could buy the rights to it)
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If Aurora has been asleep for 28 years, how come Philip wasn't an old man? did they get together when he was toddler?
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Time was frozen in FTL same as it was here.
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Didn't they say King George was the D.A. in season 1?
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Yes, he's the DA. Lily's "gyno" description is a sarcastic reference to the episode where he tricks Snow into drinking the potion which makes her infertile. He must know a lot about the female reproductive system. :).

(fellow fans, please correct me if I misunderstood)
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That's what am saying too... He is a D.A.... Was there any clue in this episode that he's a gyne?
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I'm shipping Ruby/Belle. This fits more Beauty and the Beast than bell and Mr. Gold. Also the fact that she can't seem to keep a love interest despite being like one of the most attractive female characters.

I do like when the show goes dark, and didn't mind Ruby accidently killing her own mom, though still kinda wish she accidently killed King George.

Also though GianCarlo Esposito I wish his character would come back, or did he die off I can't remember?

As far as Belle's wardrobe, she spent most of her Storybrooke/Fairytale life separated from everyone else maybe Ruby will take her shopping.
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I thought I read that Giancarlo Esposito would be back for season 2 but so far nothing :(
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They do a good job in my opinion of keeping Belle as different because she didn't lead a life for 28 years as someone else. She only has 1 name, Belle, that's all anyone calls her. And her clothes match that she is only Belle. Unlike the others where they are both, she is only.
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I have a few questions of my own

1 Why didn't red ask what happen to her father ? (If the mother alive than the father could also be alive) I think it is the first obvious question to ask your resurrected mother

2 Why didn't charming ask for Mr Gold or Regina help to jump start the hat ?

(Mr Gold owns Charming and Regina is trying to be good) they both have magic

it would have saved us allot of episodes

3 Why cant just the Mad Hat Man make another hat with the help of magic of the people above or the blue fairy ?
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The Blue Fairy told Charming he needed fairy dust.
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1) I asked the same

2)He did ask Regina, I don't recall if he asked Gold specifically, but it seems he was sure that fairy dust was needed.

3)He only owns the magical hat, he didn't create the magic in it. Remember in season 1 he was trapped in wonderland and the queen of hearts forced him to create another one and he *always* failed.

He is not a magic user, he simply owns a magic item.
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the Mad Hat Man can create the hat but the magic can be put in by Mr Gold/ Regina /Blue Fairy

When Charming ask Regina she didn't have any powers like she has now
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I'm happy to see this week's review is much more positive. I love the character of Ruby/Red, but this episode wasn't one of my favourites this season. I much preferred last week's. Still, it's interesting to see more of Ruby's backstory. I have no attachment to her mom, so killing her off was fine by me. Killing off poor Gus, the little Disney mouse, was brutal however. And the hot wolf guy was certainly a loss...he could have been Ruby's love interest in Storybrooke.

Agreed on the crazy mob mentality of the citizens of Storybrooke...it must be leftover from FTL. However, I understood David's faith in Ruby's ability to control the wolf...it was based on having known her in FTL when she clearly had a handle on it. Also, Gold's explanation of the dream netherworld made sense, and confirmed what we already suspected.

Answers:

1. I don't know, but Graham is by far the biggest loss!

2. Nope and I don't really care

3. Maybe lol. I love her anyway.

4. She's trying to be good, but it won't last when her mother returns.

5. Dark can be okay, and since Red killing her mom was an unfortunate accident, I don't have a problem with it.
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Lily, these reviews are seriously my favorite thing about Mondays. I especially liked the comment on Snow, because it's so unfortunately true. I love her lots, but does ANYTHING good ever happen in her life?



I enjoyed last night's episode, but I'm also hoping that they start bringing the main cast closer together; it's starting to feel strained, and waiting for glimpses of one of the main leads that carry the show to pop back in.



1. I'm not really sure, although I was more sad about Gus than wolfman. ...also, I'm a bit more into the ladies, so I tend to be less sad about this than the average viewer.

2. I had not!

3. I don't know what they're doing to Belle. Hopefully they fix it soon, because she's my favorite princess and I just want her to be so much more kickass than she's currently being.

4. I don't know if I'd define her as necessarily good, but I no longer think she's the main evil power at play. However, as her level of goodness is clearly based all on Henry, we better hope that nothing happens to him so she doesn't go even more bat-shit crazy than she did after David.



Also, can we discuss why the hell Henry got a free pass from Gold? I mean, there's the question of if he really did in the first place, but still: Gold doesn't give out free passes. I know he's a young boy and probably reminds him of Bae a bit but still, come on: what is going on there?

5. The thing about Red's mom dying that didn't work for me was the part where Red was kneeling over her screaming "I am not a killer!" I just looked at the screen and went "Really? Now's the time you want to argue that?"
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i was going to comment but then you said everything i wanted to say xD, i miss emma and i want happyness for snow (fav character) gus was kind of stupid, hey im a beloved character ooops im dead, so i went from exited to anoyed, gold probably did this because he want snow and emma back because they'll do something important to finish breaking the curse and he knows everything ever
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Great minds think alike! ^_^
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I think it would have been better if Anita had not been revealed to be Red's mom until later on. Granted, it was kind of obvious but it could have been a little more than a meet and reveal. Also, we have no follow up on Granny lying to Red.



King George has really shaped up to be a proper villain. As the ADA in Storybrooke, he went full on after Mary Margret, almost as if he remembered the animosity towards Davids loved ones. And now that he has his memories, he has picked up his vendetta. However, I do wonder if his actions here has put him in Regina's sights. She promised that she would get Emma and Snow back for Henry and Henry had hope that that would happen in this episode. George has taken that hope from Henry and that may have just pissed off Mama.
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about red's mom, i ended up not believing it, she just said "im your mom" and red was like "ok" there wasnt any "i remember your father and when i was pregnant..." or any of the sort, and granny didnt confirm it either so...
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I hope they explain this sooner rather than later. The entire situation was quick and so unbelievable that I thought Anita might have been lying about being Red's mom. I REALLY hope we get some kind of explanation from Granny. I want to see her & Ruby address this. I hope the writers don't forget about this as they've forgotten other things in the past.
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Disclosure: My posting won't be entirely responsive to any of the questions posed, but hey, guessing games are fun:



Early during season 1, I had predicted that Regina would die saving Henry in a redemption arch, and that her farewell kiss would break the curse, as "After all, moms can give True Love's Kisses, too". It's a pretty good thing that I don't make my living as a psychic because, as usual, I turned out more wrong than right.



However, unlike predictions that have to do with, oh, for instance, what might happen if I hold my hand over an open flame, I can afford to be wrong about my Once predictions. So once more into the breach:



I predict that Regina will die this year, again as a culmination of her redemption arch. She'll still be a part of the storyline in FTL histories, and may even make a reappearance in Storybrooke, (although hopefully not in quite the same way as poor, dusty Daniel).



But given that these producers remind me of pubescent boys making up fun, wacky, and yep, sometimes gross, stories around the campfire, I think that they will simply have to kill off someone major soon. They just won't be able to resist.



Dunno. Others?





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It was so awesome to see Annabeth Gish as the wolf queen!!! It's been ages since I saw her on something I liked xD

I was hoping she will be on more episodes but when Ruby kill her (and yes it was HARSH) she kill my little hope xD

Let's leave HOT GUYS aside, by now I'm used to it, let's focus on Belle... OMG what's wrong with Belle's outfits, what are the stylist doing, even if she is the bibliotecarian, COME ON, bibliotecarians can be cute!!! And why Emilie doesn't said anything? I would get Evil Queen/Regina's stylist for my character xD Lana has the best outfits of them all, she has variety and can be innocent and evil, KUDOS to him/her for doing it right =)

Talking of Regina, she only acts as her convenience, yes she can be vulnerable, but let's face it, she's hurt angry and only knows how to live with magic. SHE'S MY FAV!!!

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I don't normally fall asleep for this show, but did I miss what's causing the shared dreams? Or is that still a mystery?

When I first saw Belle, I thought 'wow she actually looks cute', but that was only because the camera showed her from the waist up. When they showed her entire outfit later on, I was let down but not surprised. She must have made someone in costuming mad!

Regina's only good when she's concerned about Henry, or when it's to her advantage. She'll quickly turn back to her old self the next time she's challenged or doesn't get her way.

OUAT killed off a lot of guest fairies and witches in season one, but it wasn't as heart-wrenching as this episode. Ruby was only trying to protect her friend, and didn't intend for her newly found Mom to be mortally injured.
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Both Aurora and Henry were the subjects of a sleeping curse, which does not cause normal sleep but sends the dreamer to a side dimension where they have no control and thus terror etc. Even after the curse is ended the dreamer gets pulled back to the Disco in Satan's Armpit leading to Henry getting burned by the dream fire. This was explained by Mr. Gold when Regina brought Henry to him for a cure. No cure but an amulet that gave Henry control over the dream.



The part I am wondering about is that in an earlier ep. Snow commiserated with Aurora and said her dreams just sort of wore off, no amulet needed?
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Victims of the sleeping curse (Aurora, Henry, Snow White, etc.) have their souls sent to the netherworld while under the curse. Sometimes, they get sent back there while they sleep. Rump explained to Regina and Henry before he gave Henry the locket.



And I agree....Red's mom's death was HARSH.
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I don't know about you guys but I kind got a different vibe from ruby/red in this episode. David was the only person to talk her back to normal and it kinda seem like they had a moment in the loft. they just seem really close. With david looking for emma and snow with ruby to lean on just seems a lot like Eureka's last season where fake jack was looking for allison and ended up with joe. just saying.

1. Why does this show keep killing off hot guys? because they keep turning down the female writers( who know?)

2. Had you heard of Vampire High? actually yes, while looking up info on meghan ory(Remember seeing her somewhere before) I found out about VH. fun fact: she played both a vampire and a werewolf

3. Is Belle still getting her outfits from the library's lost and found? yes

4. Has Regina basically become a "good" character? more or less

5. Do you like when this show goes dark or was Ruby accidentally killing her own mom kind of harsh? it only makes sense. I'm pretty sure in wolf form the killer instinct is probably stronger.

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Another Awesome Episode!



I don't know

No

Probably

Not yet

I like seeing the darker side of characters and their battles with it
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Does it bother anyone else that anytime there's a black character on the show with a speaking part he's either essentially enslaved or gets offed less than halfway through the episode?
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and where are the Asians? Finally we have Mulan :P But it's a very white snow.. i mean show.
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I liked this episode. I thought it was pretty good. I'm getting a little annoyed that Snow and Emma still aren't home, though. Enough is enough.



I think Regina is still a villain. She can't be trusted. If she would have burned that book, I might wonder about her. But I think she's definitely still a villain who is just biding her time.



David's faith in Ruby didn't bother me much. He'd said something about her learning to control the wolf. He probably had faith that it was something she still knew how to do.
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Anybody remember whether Granny had a daughter or a son? Because if Mom survived to build a wolf pack, is Dad really dead? Will he show up sometime?

Could Anita have chosen to leave home and child (a la Milah), thus incurring her mother's wrath- Granny being responsible her whole life, and not understanding true wolf nature (if you recall, Granny was full human until she encountered her future husband in wolf form)

What if Red gets her wolf nature from both sides of the family?

And is she related to Graham's wolf?
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Dracomom - I fear with Anita being dead we won't get our answers.

As for Granny I think she had a daughter.
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Gothy Megan Ory in terrible early 2000s teen supernatural melodrama? TO THE INTERWEBZ!



As for the townsfolks eagerness to form angry mobs, it's almost Python-like ("CAN WE BURN 'ER?") but have you seen anywhere in town for them to gather to blow off steam and relax? A bar, apparently, which just makes them drunk and all mob form-y. No library yet, as far as I can tell (poor Belle just wanders around trying on clothes left in the lost and found and trying to make them work together) and I have yet to see a bowling alley or club or anywhere for these people to go. They're not easily led, they're just incredibly bored. Someone get these people a book club!
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Okay I love Ruby/Red, but quite a bit of the acting in this episode was terrible.
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OMG yes! Didn't know Vampire High was on netflix, that's amazing. I still remember watching that show on YTV and loving it (even though it was super campy), though I was probably too young to be watching a show like Vampire High..
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I have never heard of vampire high but seeing her as a vampire made me realize that she played a rich kid turned vampire on an episode of sanctuary....season 3 I think. the one where tesla turns a bunch of rich kids into vampires.....if Ory`s not careful, she is going to get typecast.
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Sleepers!I love that ep! I have seen vampire high, but I don't remember much. Must have been good though. She was a vampire in Supernatural as well, according to imdb. That makes 3 strikes as a vampire-if it's enough for someone to be called a serial killer, it's enough for M to be already typecast, but as a were this time.Oh well, I don't mind :)
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Srsly, I exclaimed out loud when hot wolf guy got arrowed... I mean, c'mon! If you take away all the hot guys you gotta bring back others... where's August? And what happened to Emma's adorably scruffy ex-BF? This is just like Bonanza, only no one gets a hot boyfriend.

Haven't heard of it, but I used to be closet Sabrina the Teenage Witch fan... or at least a "I'm so sick, and this show is oddly comforting and I wish I could change my clothes by twirling my finger" fan.

Probably. I liked Belle's character more when she was still locked in solitary... all she's good for now is getting chained up or riding Indiana Jones style in mine carts (and not in a fun, grab Short Round before he gets tossed into the lava type way).

I'm not sure what they're doing with Regina at this point, and that could be a good thing. I think keeping the audience guessing about her true intentions is more interesting. Also, Regina's character is one of the best on the show, the duality of good and evil that Lana Parrilla pulls off weekly is always a joy to watch.

I generally do like it when the show goes dark, the best being the original wolf ep with the 'Ruby is wolf' twist I was genuinely blind-sided by (and loved). But, in this case the "Sorry mom, but even though you gave birth to me and look bitchin in feathers, I gotta take friendsies on this one" was not cool. I think if Ruby had more conflict within her character (not just when she's a wolf) like Regina, and explore the potential evil that lies within to be seduced by the dark side, would be more interesting to watch.
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I liked where several episodes ago the was this big ol shark and they all jumped over it...
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Your scale sucks so hard, because for CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT, RAZZLE DAZZLE/KEEPING ME ENTERTAINED and ANNOYING REFERENCES TO BIGGER STORY the scale goes from 1 = bad, 5 = OMGWTFBBQ THAT'S AWESOME!, while for product placement the scale is reverted (unless you have most fun when the episode is filled with obvious product placement??). So adding the scales for a final score makes no sense. According to the individual scores you gave, this episode should have 19/20 instead of 15/20...
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You are correct!
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No product placement is a good thing. Try to keep up.
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This episode felt kind of boring & wooden to me. It's like they are covering all their bases with the respective characters' stories, but it just feels too methodical or something. I was loving Granny with her badass power tools and weaponry, though, she might be one of my favorites on this show. I'm still holding out for more of Rumpel and Belle, but I have a feeling that won't be touched on until the obligatory Valentine's Day love-themed episode that is months away...
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1. They keep doing that because they want us to to keep watching to see who the next hot guy to die will be. And I think they secretly want us to see pretty people burn. I love it!



2. I have, yet never saw it. It looks awful, which means I need to see it.



3. That is the only place to shop.



4. If good you mean it's all a fabricated lie to make others believe her only to pull a hell of a swerve later on, then yes.



5. I like when most shows go dark. This episode was a bit boring, but good.
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I'm getting seriously worried about this show! I have disliked more episodes this season than I have liked. I thought last nights episode was boring and absolutely awful. The show as a whole feels very scattered yet rushed if that makes sense. Why so many new characters? Next weeks doesn't look too promising either. Sad because it used to be my favorite show.
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1. I don't care, I'm straight. Ask Price.

2. No; not before loading this page. Is it Canadian or something?

3. Yes; free is a very good price.

4. For now; I predict she's going to snap back and forth between good and bad like a yo-yo, just as many Season One villains of various shows have done.

5. That was an accident?
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My wife had stopped watching for a while, because she missed 2 consecutive episodes and gave up (this is from the writers of Lost, after all). I had just gotten her back into it, and then they had to go and kill her second favorite Disney character ever. Suffice it to say, she's probably done again.



And Lily, how is it you don't remember King George is the DA? Why all the OBGYN humor?
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Because I like jokes?
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OHHHHHHHHHHHHH, you got JOKES...
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It's annoying that they still use the storybrooke names, like Ruby, Mary Margareth, and David, aren't they suppose to remember who they are now? Therefore their REAL names? Ruby/Red's acting wasn't the best (like some extra's). David shoulda just offed King George, the guy's annoying, and his grudge against David is not even that valid, seeing as he's not the one that killed his son. He's just a bitter old man-version of Regina. He's mad because he didn't marry some girl from another kingdom so they could have a kingdom-merger, basically he's mad because he missed out on a big-ass money deal. At least that's how I remember it. Nice episode though, and really funny recap Lily :)
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Yes, annoying, but also realistic. For example, I have been using my full first name for professional reasons since I turned 18, but my family still calls me by my childhood nickname. The characters might prefer one name versus the other, but for everyone else, old habits die hard. Hope that made sense. :)
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I think it's a little annoying but it also makes sense for some the characters. Some of them didn't interact much in fairytale land so they when they recognize them it's by their storybrooke name. also if they were in fairytale land i think it'd make sense for them to use orginal names. but sense they're stuck in story book and some looking way different than their fairytale self(ie gus a chubby mouse that cleaned and helped cinderella became fit man that was a towtruck driver) it makes sense that'd keep that name too.
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Doesn't bother me too much. I think some of the characters do go by their fairytale names now, Like snow for example. They may remember who they are now, but they've also been living in Storybrooke for 28 years now. They're going to keep some elements from their new lives in their current ones. Some may go by their old names and some may prefer to keep their new ones just cause their lives have changed and it feels more comfortable for them.
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This was by far the worst episode of season 2 and possibly the series. I like Red and found the twist of her being a werewolf to be quite good but despite being one of my favoured characters, she bored me to death with a story revolved around her.



Also, did all the actors take a day off for this episode? Charming never knew how to act to begin with and was incredibly consistent with that respect here. Red was bad, snow was atrocious, mother wolf was hilariously bad and King George was overacting.



Even the dialogues were so much like a B-movie. I may be a minority here in having enjoyed season 2 more than 1 but if the show continues with episodes like this, I got to reassess.
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You're not a minority, I think we all try to enjoy these episodes as much as we can, because we like this show. Of course there will be some bad episodes, and I agree season 2 has had some horrible episodes. But I think overall they will redeem themselves at the end of the season, making us (hopefully) forget about the horrible episodes. And if they don't, well I won't stick around for another season then. Let's hope for the best, because it could turn out awesome. But right now there's no consistency in good/bad eps. Next episode can turn out the best yet for all we know.
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'Was wondering when would someone bring up "Vampire High"... No, that show wasn't good, but still watchable. And, by the way, Lilly "Buffy" pre-dates "VH" by about 5 years - Hell, "Angel" is older than that show. So, if there's a formula people are following here, it is clearly the Whedon's one.

The funniest (and also, saddest) line of the whole episode was Ruby shouting to her mom "I AM NOT A KILLER!" a few second after impaling her on some rod... really felt bad for the girl, but that scene made me laugh out loud. 'Really hope Red finds love somewhere, although Spark's theory that she plays for the home team does kinds make sense... Hey, as long as she's happy!

The mob made absolutely no sense to me, since everyone in that damn town knew exactly who George was. Seriously, if you're coming to follow a mob, are you seriously follow one lead by a known tyrant that most probably made everybody's life a living hell? Wouldn't it be like following Hitler after he slaughtered your family? And how about Charming in this context - couldn't he not just assume his uber-nemesis was behind this whole thing from the get go? Being in his shoes, I would just go like: "People, I know it looks like Ruby did something pretty horrible, but may I point you back to the source of your complaint: KING GEORGE. HE'S A KNOWN A-HOLE - YOU ALL KNOW IT!!! Seriously, are you really gonna trust this douchebag over me???" Yep, that would have just shout them all up right there.

Anyway, it did feel like the story this week kinda spin around the overall storyline in circle. So I'm expecting something major to happen next week, to truly move this whole thing forward.
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I'm glad someone mention the buffy thing, i was like uhhhh 2001...when she was talking about how this was some sort of precurser to human ladies digging vampire hunks!



Also, I guess in fairy world there were lots of different kindoms and there have been a couple of different kings (Midas, Regina) and they showed that like Gus who used to be a mouse is here, and considering no one from the main cast showed up in that mob maybe none of them were under the rule of King George?
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