Once Upon a Time "In the Name of the Brother" Review: Multi-dimensional Storytelling, Literally

Once Upon a Time S02E12: In the Name of the Brother

So! Last night a person from the real world infiltrated Storybrooke, and let’s address him right up front because long after the episode was over, he’s what I’m still thinking about, with his sneaky “You’ll never believe what I saw!” phone call, for two reasons:

1. The Charmings were worried that if the outsider saw Rumple throwing magic, he’d be “driving a tour bus” up and down Storybrooke’s main drag. Um, no, that is not a fun day for the whole family, dipshits—in this day and age the revelation that a community of Mainers was launching Street Fighter fireballs at each other would more likely actuate a SWAT drop-in, a Hasmat-level quarantine, or just some quick-and-clean carpet bombing.

2. Hey Emma, remember how your superpower was being able to tell when someone was lying? Guess it’s not just all-powerful genies who can fool you, it’s quite literally everyone except Regina.

I could rant about the idea of black-and-white films being a different world but I said everything I care to say about that (and the entire Frankenstein storyline) the first time around when the show originally introduced the black-and-white dimension in October. I wasn’t as enraged with it coming back last night, because it wasn’t the same shocking sense of something I love being irretrievably marred, much like the second time you, say, scratch the finish on a new cellphone is not as annoying as the first time. However, three new points about black-and-white world:

1. Could you spend gold-colored coins in a black-and-white world or would it freak everyone out, Pleasantville-style?

2. Persian Carpets look so freaking gorgeous in black and white. Do they sell them like that?! Holy hell I need one.

3. Frankenstein’s pops was a delight. He’s the worst actor I’ve seen on television, including the extras who appeared on Tim and Eric Awesome Show Great Job who were hired off Craigslist and cherry-picked for their awkwardness.

I can understand Frankenstein being hurt because his dad gave Frankenstein's little brother a nice watch for Christmas and then only gave Frankenstein a crumpled-up US Magazine he found in a public bathroom, but it was still pretty cray that he ran out on a surgery to reflect on his backstory when a patient was fighting for his life on the operating table.

These fairy-tale characters are such jerks. Thank goodness Ruby went and counseled him “monster to monster.” Which was actually pretty adorbs and maybe she heard good things about his sex steeze after Snow’s one-night stand with him back when they were all cursed? Who knows.

The actually heartbreaking moment was Emilie de Ravin simply SLAYING the audience as amnesiac Belle. She seemed so genuinely afraid of Rumple and totally creeped out that it really drove home what Rumple had lost. An intelligent young woman who honestly loves a much older pawnshop owner while looking like Emilie de Ravin? Good luck hooking another one of those on Match.com, Rumple, or whatever the fairy-tale equivalent of that is, I guess going down to a brook and playing a hornpipe or whatever. The fact that at one point it had been meaningful to talk about a chipped cup, but that telling her to “focus” on a dirty old dish made him now seem like a raving maniac, underlined how nuts the premise is and how isolated these characters really are in a genuinely touching way. Also CREEPSTER move kissing her when you know she’s lost her memory, Rumple, geez. Obviously creepster.

He did get some action later from Cora, which was sort of interesting. He taught her everything she knows, are we supposed to do the fortune-cookie thing and slap “in bed” on the end of that statement? Did curly toed boots get knocked? Is Regina possibly Rumplestiltskin’s daughter??! Is there anything I would put past this show? No. Logic, emotional justice and common decency are not restraints on the OUAT writers’ need to fabricate plot twists, and like most fairy tales, the overall narrative is swiftly boiling down into a horror story that's predicated on the darkest impulses of sibling rivalry and childhood abandonment being acted on with impunity.

I do love that natty blood globe, though. Hot stuff, art department. Where in the world is Bae?! And speaking of where in the world, they really opened it up last night about there being countless other dimensions (“Wow, if black-and-white films are a world, what the hell other inappropriate fictional characters can be dragged into this Irish stew of Disney properties?” —Henry, more or less), so do you think Carmen San Diego will pop up in Storybrooke next? She could come from a land based on early-'90s educational PC games. There would be an Oregon Trail in her world too, where everyone was going at a grueling pace and blowing all their money on bullets to shoot squirrels. Also how soon until Star Wars characters get dragged in and will that be the day you throw your TV into the ocean and move to a cabin in the woods to mourn?

Regina had a pretty sweet thing going on in her heart barn/crypt. The interior was like the most upscale Forever 21 I’ve ever seen. Who would bother mooning over a petulant 8- to 14-year-old when you could play dress up all day in a magic crystal sitting room? How the hell old is Henry again? That kid looks sweet sixteen and I’m pretty sure he’s shaving. Whatever, you can’t pressure child actors to stay little, it does things to them, Danny Bonaduce things to them, so let’s all never speak of it again.

I also didn’t buy that Regina bought into Cora’s offer of a reconciliation. As long as she’s known her mother, her mother has been a zombie-summoning, true-love slaughtering, crazy-ass bitch. Of course, the idea that Regina’s well aware of that and she’s just excited to have her mom be her hype man and back her up while she takes down the whole town is entirely possible as well.

Unfortunately it looks like the next episode (three weeks from now, LOL) is about a regular-size giant.

So yeah, we’ll be waiting another few weeks before the small seeds of a good episode that were scattered last night can blossom onto our screens, and we know the really good stuff won’t take root until the season finale. But that’s okay. This show is so damn crazy that I’ve made the complete cycle from loving it, to questioning it, to hating it, to kind of being like “You do you!” to maybe just straight-up loving it again.


QUESTIONS:

1. Do you think Dr. Frankenstein is a generous lover?

2. Regina and Cora: Will they wreak a mother daughter duet of destruction upon Storybrooke?

3. Where in the world is Carmen San Diego?

4. Did you catch the Star Wars theme playing? Did it break your heart or are you hoping that some Storybrooke cashier reveals herself as Princess Leia?

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I think you missed the point on the creepy kiss. Rumple was testing true love's kiss. And it failed. Now THAT'S sad. OUAT is getting to be too much like a soap opera for me. But I'll keep watching as long as Regina keeps wearing sexy outfits!! 1. That's some sorta freaky thing you got going on there Lily 2. There will be destruction but I think it'll be Cora's demise in the end. 3. She's a nurse at the local veterinary clinic 4. AWE.SOME. it would break my heart to see anyone come forward as a Star Wars character. Unless they did some actual cameo w/ Carrie Fischer or Hamill or Ford or... Anyone but that loser who played Anakin
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I'm glad you're "loving it again" Lily, although it can be hard to tell. Still there are some helpful insights here in addition to all the catty comments.

As for the plot...I can't wait to see the road trip, it's sad to see Bell as an amnesiac (although she did a great acting job), and what is the deal with the outsider? And who is manipulating whom when it comes to Regina and Cora? I can't be sure. Also, Frankenstein's backstory isn't my favourite either, but they did tie it in/explain it, and maybe if they include other worlds in future episodes, they will be more interesting.
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I know this might get me killed... but I really have nothing against the show. Sure, it has it's functionality questioned from time to time, but what show doesn't? I love reading your reviews, they make me laugh. I love the way you look at the show and give me the perspective I don't have. Yet.... no matter what has happened in the show, I have loved every episode. Except for this one.... but that's mainly because I hate the fact that Belle broke chip. Xl
Anyway, being harsh on a FICTIONAL tv SHOW is not going to help you enjoy it. It just takes away the fun of it. At least, that's how I look at it. Thanks for the great review, and I can't wait for the next episode.
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Nobody asked the one question I kept wondering - who is "HER"? I'm assuming that each incoming call has its own ringtone (fairly common nowadays), so could the theme be a clue? If she turns out to be Glinda or Elphaba or even a reincarnated Maleficient, the "Her" makes more sense. Or whomever August's ally in the "real world" was.

If Belle reverted to her "asylum" persona, her inability to trust Rumple (or anyone else)makes total sense. Just not to him (Robert Carlyle played this so well) - he didn't hang out with the hospital escapee long enough to realize how little she knew. He was too busy trying to bring magic back to talk much to the poor girl! If he'd handled this more like that first day, he'd have accomplished more, I think. Echo of creepy "David-Kathryn" kiss scene in Season 1. Is it possible that Regina wanted to take Rumple's true love away from him, because if she can't have her True Love neither can anyone else?

Regina actually looks more like Bae than August or Neal, so she could be Rumple's kid. If Cora didn't tell Rumple she was expecting before she married Henry, it sets up an interesting dynamic. Or has the return of so much FTL magic reinforced Rumple's vow when Bae disappeared- that he would love nothing else until he found his son?

Seriously, Regina's lair is sooo much more palatial than expected that I'm guessing she found a pocket universe on sale someplace. The mother-daughter reunion suggested to me one reason Regina would want to adopt a boy- no wardrobe competition! But I doubt Regina is as ready to be the "good" daughter as she wants Cora to believe. "Keep your friends close- and your enemies closer!"

My guess about the black-and-white universe is that it suggests the early movie era. Or maybe the gaslight era? (Maybe we can look forward to Nosferatu or Theda Bara?) The spliced-in bits of color screamed "Wizard of Oz" to me.

If Viktor were educated in England, as many German lads were in the Victorian era (even the early 20th century, which made spying for both sides in WWI so much easier) it would account for the British accent- maybe even for his father's interest in sending him into the army ("Let's make a good Prussian out of this Brit-loving wuss!")
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LILy just to clarify, you don't do Scandal reviews anymore?
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She seems to have stopped Revenge Recaps too *sad face*
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Dammit I've been looking for her scandal recaps since the new year!!!!!!
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I think the black & white world of Frankenstein was meant to contrast with Ruby's bright Red, its like she brings color into his life same as the red taints the grey of his existance. Red also stands for blood, which is what werewolves spill when killing somebody, killings Vickor vowed to stop in the name of the brother. His brother
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I know, we'll see the Green giant next. come on!
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Start Wars... heh, I don't think that would surprise me anymore, as lately searching the net, I found NCIS lovers finding a connection between Han's "I know" to the Ziva's "I know" and I think nothing will get to me now... (albeit I do adore NCIS's crew ;-P). So, what really would give me a heart attack would be Walter Bishop marching in to study the case of Rumpel... ;->
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The only complaint you made that I see as a real issue is the whole "her superpower being able to tell people are lying" and yet there are numerous plot points where that should factor in and it fails to appear. I thought the Star Wars ringtone was a hilarious instance of Disney showing off a little bit, but yeah, I really hope there's not too much more non-fairytale folk going to show up, I thought the Frakenstein thing was a bit of a stretch in the first place (As was Mulan, just a bit, seeing as she wasn't really from a fairytale either.) I still love the show though! I just hope it stays centered more on characters from traditional Disney & fairytale stories, because that's what drew me to the show in the first place.
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And yes, Emilie de Ravin gave a fantastic performance in this episode. Loved her on what I did see of "Lost," I think we'll continue to see her do well!
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I must admit I wasn't convinced by the episode and I have a question for you: how many people live in storybrooke? Sometimes it feels like the town is small with only two restaurants, a small school, etc. and last night the hospital was quite hyuge for a "small town" but only had one doctor that could operate.... I have the same interrogations as you do about their knowledge of movies and so on... it's getting harder to focus on the story with all this functionning details calling for answers !
anyway...
1. the flashbacks showed us a wounded man with a heart but a stubborn one... hard to believe he could be a generous lover! I trust HOOK is a much qualified lover !!
2. Regina seemed to be so alone in her cage... maybe in such moments of despair you need something to hold on to even if it's your evil mom. I guess that Regina will try to use her to clear her name and try to get a life back but with Emma being gone she is left to face people who have grudges against her. My guess is thta she will try and fail, than get a "I told you so " from her mom and the two will forge plans to bring everyone down.
3.Don't know her!
4. How could someone miss the star wars theme? I truly hope that none of these characters are part of OUAT... that would be way TOO much to accept...

And Lily.... no more revenge recap ? WHY???
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I also recall them mentioning "hospitals" sometime back... o_O' Consistency? No big issue, apparently.. ;->
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I have to say i really enjoyed this episode which totally surprised me since nothing much happened in the episode, i was mad at Belle for breaking the cup and felt for Rumple throughout seeing how crumpled he was and i hope the Bey mystery will be resolved in the future episode. Don't care much for Dr Well/Frankenstein in the show but his flashbacks about how he turned to the monster is but riveting and added color to the episode.

In the Name of the Brother was a step up from the previous episode and has set up good storylines for the rest of the season and its OUAT back at its best.
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I still hate the black and white world of Frankenstein (storyline is THE worst) but I did like them bringing it around to Henry's book with the possible inclusions of all manner of things. I'm down with randoms like that.

Best part of amnesiac Belle is blowing off creepy OLD Mr. Gold. I was NOT happy that she broke Chip though. WTF is wrong with you, girl!?! Mrs. Potts is devastated somewhere lol I don't know if it's possible but seeing Rumple/Gold trying to hit on Belle when she's in the hospital looks even worse than him making it with her when she's all there. Wrong on so many levels.

Regina is totes onto Cora. She's just playing her until she finds out her angle. And Cora is showing she is pretty whack. Makes me love my mother more for not being Cora!

Emma had the best line about not normal sherriffs not bringing their mommy and daddy in to talk to people. Ha!

Hands down Red is the best!! Every new thing they give her makes me love Meghan Ory more and more!!
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-Hahhahaha!!! Ahem, my bad. I loved how everyone was wailing for Dr. Wale! Oh David Anders, you shall always be "Uncle Daddy John" to me! Can we all just admit that Red is the bestest?!! That girl is Fifty shades of Awesome. I mean where would this town be without her. Red gets shizz done. Sometimes it's hard to believe that Emma is their town Sheriff and somehow Charming made himself Deputy. What a weird thought process in the waiting room, Sheriff Emma standing there with her Parent peers, her hot werewolf godmother who looks younger than her, her uncle Grumpy, and her sadistic/sociopathic super ancient Great Uncle (Grandfather? Step Grandfather WTF?) Rumple...trying to convince Dr. Frankenweird to save a dude. Just another Sunday in SB. But yeah, back to Wale. I was totally digging him and Red having their little "we're monsters" talk. RedWhale or something. I don't hate it.
- It would be wicked...awesome! I don't know though. I find it hard to believe that Regina would be so willing to jump on board with her mother after their past. I kinda like the idea of Regina on the outlier of the good vs. evil debacle, being her own wildcard with her own interests.
- On the Oregon Trail. she's in a parallel or alter universe plane something.
- NO! Please no!!
-Ugh! I want to dislike Captain Hook because he's like that dumb jock, and he's smarmy and inappropriate, and most of the time useless, but then he cracks a stupid chauvinistic joke, or flirts in the most vomit inducing way, and he's like a full on caricature, but yet there is something kinda charming about him where I can't just hate the guy. Which sucks, because he kinda just sucks. Also...why won't they just let Rumple ruff up a few people? I find it somewhat amusing watching the old guy beat the hell out of folks with a cane but they keep interrupting and I think he just needs to blow off a little steam. Like the man get a few punches in dammit! How can you not when he says lines like "he has to die?" But no the moral police were in his ear whispering about what Belle would want from him, or think about the children, or kumbaya or whatever...I think Rumple would be a lot tamer if they let him kick a little ass. I'm just saying.
Maybe I'm feeling particularly evil myself, but damn if I didn't love Rumple in all of his deliciously evil glory! When he threatened the Charming family that if something happened to his beloved Belle while he was gone he'd kill them all, I actually chuckled in sadistic glee. Damn, I love Rumple. I blame RC. He's a gem. Even when he was making out with amnesiac Belle and ranting like a lunatic over a chipped cup. I just wanted to hug him...or run. Whichever. I think I get it Belle, I think I get it. He and Emma on a road trip should be entertainment at its finest!!
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Possibly someone has already pointed this out (too many comments to check) but if Rumple is technicolor in Frankies world, then why wasn't Frankie black&White in Fairytale world? :P
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So, I only had 6 mins left of the episode when I paused it to finish cooking, and when I went to resume, the show stopped and went back to the on demand screen. Now I have to start it all over again, without fast-forwarding, to see those last 6 minutes. Judging by the first photo, this dude woke up. And is Ethan Embry!!
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Lily sez: "Logic, emotional justice and common decency are not restraints on the OUAT writers' need to fabricate plot twists...." I'm afraid you're right. Much of the outrage expressed here comes from that deep human need for stories, whether light or dark, to mean something-- and we prefer our stories with a dash of hope or a little inspiration. So it would be nice for Mary Margaret/Snow to represent common decency as a counterpoint to all the Evil Magic sloshing around: "Why of course we'll look after Belle! It's the humanitarian thing to do. You coulda just asked us." More schoolroom scenes, please-- MM still has a job, right? Awwwkward for Henry when his teacher says, "No, the dog didn't eat your homework, you were playing video games last night."

Second question: since Magic comes with a price, what price do Cora and Rumpel pay for exercising their spells-- their souls, their humanity, their ability to love, or something else? Plot twist: they use up all the available restored magic in Storeybrooke, and suddenly have to deal with powerlessness and the consequences of the fear they spread. Plot twist: Rumpel stays in Philadelphia with his son, and away from the temptation to use magic.

Really looking forward to Emma meeting up with Henry's father again.
Bring back August! He was eye candy.
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What DID happen to August? Last I remember, in the beginning of one of the earlier episodes he was in that motel room all wooden and then later in the ep. someone went into the room and he was gone...but I don't remember finding out what happened? Am I forgetting something?
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No you're not forgetting. They are just disrespectful to the viewers who watched Season 1 and got invested in those characters. I understand dangling a carrot of mystery about what has happened to August, Neal, Kathryn/Frederick, etc. But at a certain point their absence feels more like neglect and less like intrigue. Very frustrating.
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I'm up for Star Wars characters. I love Star Wars, but it already hit bottom with episode 1, so a non-canonical appearance on OUaT won't wreck it any more. And hey, if they killed Gus the mouse in human form, they can kill Jar Jar . . .

Hell, they could even get some of the same actors -- seems like Sam Jackson will do anything for money these days, and I have *no doubt in my mind* that Hayden Christensen will reprise Anakin Skywalker all season in exchange for a couple of ham sandwiches.
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hey lily why dont u recap revenge and scandal anymore?
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If Twitter is to be believed (and I think we all know better by now than to question the mighty forces of Facebook or Twitter), she is working on a pilot right now. Which is actually pretty cool! She'll be back to recapping at least Revenge in April.

ps - Lily, no worries....my PR services are free....for now.....
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Aw! I love her recaps of Revenge! *sigh* whatever will I do...?
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Thanks for the info.
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ok then thats good i dont know what i will do without her recaps
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Dammit me either! Her scandal recaps are divinely hilarious! But hey if she's doing a pilot it will be great
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I liked this episode and I was very surprised by that fact. So surprised that I had to ask other people if it was alright that I liked it. Sure nothing really happened but it was all so interesting.

I completely believe that no one in Frankenstein's dimension will accept his coloured money.

Thank you for the confirmation that the stranger is Ethan Embry. I had a very strong feeling but also a very high fever when I watched it so I doubted myself.

The episode was basically filler, but filler that probably laid the seeds for many interesting plot plants in the episodes to come. I can not wait to see Gold and Emma take their road trip
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What is the holiday that is causing all shows to not be on next week?

1. I can only imagine that conversation in a few weeks...um, Snow, I know you don't like to talk about this, but, well, Dr. Whale...um, Victor, he.., what Red? he asked me out, is that okay?

2. Possibly, but they might not have to since Gold will have Emma out of the picture for the next couple of weeks. Well, let me retract that, Regina will have less qualms about joining up with her mother because I think while she and Emma aren't friends, I actually think Regina seems to respect Emma more than 'the other two idiots'.

3. I loved that game, but their lack of knowledge of at least what goes on on Law and Order, I fear their geography knowledge.

4. I did, and my thought was, as they seem to be trying to acknowledge a lot of the issues that came out about the time that deal went down (which also was about the time of the original Frankenstein episode), wouldn't it be funny that they just have random references to Star Wars like that (sort of like their Lost references) as kind of this running joke, but there is never anything obvious.
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so team frankenwolf now.. lol I just love how crazy this show is... if you dig tooooo deep you are bound to go crazy.. everyone should have learned that from lost..!!!!!! roll with it.. enjoy it.. it will be a crazy ride.. just hold on!!!!!
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I have few desires in life at the minute but most of them relate to OUaT. For one they should stop mauling Frankenstein; the slobber of characters is really bothering me and finally I really don't want them to bring Star Wars into this (would be so lost!)
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Also Lily - Irish stew does not contain a huge amount of ingredients. If you want something that is a gross mess of too many things you should look at Dublin Coddle. Dodgy as hell.
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I'm thinking Rumple's creepoid slobbering kiss on Belle was a misguided attempt to wake her/de-amnesiate (?) - sleeping beauty-style.
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That was my theory as well. True Love is the most powerful magic of all and all that. Rumple Von Stiltskin was hoping the kiss might restore her memory... But how can one feel true love for a man she doesn't remember?
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But isn't Belle still *his* true love? I mean Charming kissed Snow in the woods when she didn't remember him after the memory-erasing potion and she immediately was all, "You found me!"

Probably just another example of 'rule doesn't apply because we can't figure out a logical plot device'.
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I had completely forgotten about the memory erasing potion and it being cured with a kiss. I have to agree that its probably just rule won't apply here logic.

I'm still upset by how crazy Belle was acting. I mean there is no logical explanation for it. You just tell her "You were in an accident I'm you're boyfriend" treat it like amnesia
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Oh that's right, Charming had to prove he was willing to die for her before she started to crack. But whereas Charming jumping in front of Snow's arrow was selfless, Rumple sacrificing himself for Belle's sake would still make him evil because his murderer will become the Dark One. Rumple saying "I would die for your happiness" is not exactly a romantic gesture. It would leave the world less safe for Belle, assuming his replacement won't have quite the same soft spot for clumsy librarians. Damn, you know it's hard out here for an imp! (<---- I'm pretty proud of that, folks.)
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Actually the first time Charming kissed Snow it didn't work. She tied him up to a tree and Jiminy had to set him free. Jiminy told Charming that Snow is not going to remember who Charming is until she remembers who she is herself. (Heart of Darkness, S1E16).
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First of all, how in the wordl do you get 100 COMMENTS IN 16 HRS???
Good work I'm sure, nice Lily.

Dr. Frankstn, he studied human anatomy, I'm sure EVERY doctor is a generous lover :D

My theory with Regina teaming up with Cora: writers are gonna drag this 'till the end of the season making Regina look like she's back in her old evil ways and the whole town hates/dreads her and will never forgive her actions just so she can fight Cora at the end and save the town, maybe even risk her own life for the sake of the people, then they would have "proof" that she's changed. Or maybe not.

What I'm looking forward to is some Hook & deficient lie detector romance, who doesn't like a bad boy charming his way off a pair of cuffs? :D
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1- Frankenstein? Ewwy... He's got the "too science-obsessed for sex" vibe all over him

2 - There's really no predicting the behavior of these people. They could do anything. Regina and Cora being all happy evil family seems unlikely in a This Show Has Another Season Coming view. (I reckon the cliff-hanger to next season will be Regina and Cora beginning a reign of hell... That quickly comes to a close when Regina crosses her mom one last time (that actress is probably not up for much more in this show) and kills her off)

3 - Bonus points for remembering those awesome black guys that sang the theme song! Also played both games on 5.25 discs oh-so-long-ago...

4 - Star Wars theme totally threw me. Then I remembered the new acquisition... I hope to zod they keep those characters out of this....
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3. Rockepella?
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I liked the episode.
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Wow Lilly's review is better than any writing the creators have done. The Carmen Sandiego line slew me... Her judgements are spot on but sad to hear she doesn't stand by her outrage, her comment about Star Wars also on spot... Sad because all these actors are good actors lost in plot land.
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I guess it's cute that "Once Upon A Time" is paying homage to "Friends" classic 'We were on a break!' with its own 'We were cursed!'

""Henry, Emma, and The Two Idiots..." - Regina had the best line with this.
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That is probably my favorite quote from the show.
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Loved that line from Regina ^_^
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Your Carmen San Diego comment made me laugh quite hard. Honestly, I know the feeling. This show puts me through some weird emotional cycles with regards to my feelings toward it. I'm not sure what's going on with the Regina/Cora storyline; it caught me by surprise. I bet Carmen San Diego is a banker in storybrooke; all the better to embezzle the living hell out of some of these idiots (by-the-by, Regina describing The Charmings as "Henry, Emma, and The Two Idiots sums up my feelings completely"). I caught the Star Wars Theme playing; perhaps foreshadowing? And I'm sure Frankenstein is a very, VERY Generous Lover. ;D ;D ;D
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And apparently, Ruby not only has these wolf like senses, she now seems to have super human strength and speed as well. She zoomed over and caught Whale when he jumped when she was standing yards away. Would have liked a little heads up on that.

I do like that Henry said what a lot of viewers are thinking, if Frankenstein is in town, what other non fairytale creatures are there as well. I mean, Disney does own Marvel, could we have a chance to see Cora or Rumple go toe to toe with Doctor Strange, the Sorcerer Supreme?

Or hell, could the Tardis materialize in the middle of Granny's or could the Giant have to answer to the Power Rangers?
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Tardis is acceptable, as it can traverse time and space, plus awesome.
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They should have Spongebob in an episode, lol.
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My main thought after watching this episode: Who would believe him if he did see something!?!. They were going to let him die because he may have seen a magic fireball? How many people think they see UFOs? What would I think if my husband, after being in a bad car accident and under going surgery with anesthesia, started going on about seeing magic? I'd think of him as crazy. Storybrooke shouldn't be worried. With a good PR rep they could spin anything. Maybe combine Scandal with Once Upon a Time instead of Star Wars haha
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While walking my dog just now, I spent a moment trying to imagine how one could go about writing an entirely positive review of ONCE. I honestly can't picture how it would be done. The closest that I came to wrapping my head around the challenge would be to imagine writing a review of 'Monty Python and The Holy Grail' - if the writers really didn't know that they were being funny. I can see the billboard now:

"Monty Python and the Holy Grail - Disney's Newest Family Drama!"

It might be kinda fun, just like with ONCE, to sit in the audience and watch with bemusement. But write a review? Ha! Someone will be earning their paycheck!
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Am I the the only one who is sad because Belle murdered Chip? Guys. Chip is dead.
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So sad. I knew it was coming but still shocked.
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I was more upset that Rumple charmed it and didn't bother to make it unbreakable....
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So if nothing comes in from the outside world, how does Leroy know about E.T. and Splash? Who brought the movies into town on film canisters? Or did he catch it on cable? Who do they pay their cable bills to? Who comes to collect if they don't pay?
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Where does Henry get his cocoa mix, Emma her hair extensions? Rumple his face glitter?!
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Good point. Can any town with modern amenities really be an island?
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how do they get their vehicles registered? or do they have a DMV? who works at this DMV? i haven't seen a farm, other than Regina's apple orchard, how do they get their food? School supplies? are they just tricking their children into learning irrelevant stuff? yeah i thought about this the first time they did this whole stranger in town crap with Pinocchio... i guess they drop everything @ the town line and the dwarfs go to pick them up?....Furthermore, in this magic-less world that now has some ppl who have magic and wield it in disappointing ways, who cares if someone says s/he saw magic, chances he'd just end up living a colorful life in Bedlam...y is this big?
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Answer from the show creators: It's a self-updating curse.
There, aren't you nice and satisfied now? :-/ Yeah, me neither.
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How does it update if there's no magic in the real world?
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Exactly. Their answer doesn't make sense and they know it. It's quite interesting to read their answers to questions they aren't expecting. It's as if it never occurred to them that people would ask how SB inhabitants got cell phones or learned how to drive. Quite disappointing, though it does account for so many of the flaws in the show.
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The only explanation I can come up with is that the Curse itself has appropriated the vast amount of magic required for its casting as part of itself. If true, that would explain why magic is unpredictable- it's only accessible as tiny bits breaking off the Curse itself. Perhaps Henry's arrival jarred something loose; or something was jarred loose which made Henry's arrival possible?
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1. Do you think Dr. Frankenstein is a generous lover? Not sure, I'd have to ask Snow. Also, it depends on what you mean be generous. As Frankenstein, I'm not sure I'd want to be a part of that train wreck, but as a doctor with a drinking problem, a self confidence problem, and a "Help I can't outrun my past" problem I'm not sure he's so much better.

2. Regina and Cora: Will they wreak a mother daughter duet of destruction upon Storybrooke? Yes, but only in so far as Cora will leave Regina holding the bag of blame for whatever misdeeds they commit together because Cora always betrays Regina when they begin to get close(r) and rekindle some semblance of mother-daughter relationship. It will be interesting to see if Cora and Henry ever meet each other.

3. Where in the world is Carmen San Diego? French Lick, Indiana.

4. Did you catch the Star Wars theme playing? Did it break your heart or are you hoping that some Storybrooke cashier reveals herself as Princess Leia? I loved that the Star Wars theme was that guy's ringtone.

Side notes: I love the black and white world but I could be a little biased because I like David Anders. Also, Hook getting creamed by a car and then having to spend time in a hospital bed, handcuffed, missing his hook, and wearing a bathrobe pretty much made my day. It's good to see that all of that trauma hasn't dampened his sense of humor (ha ha ). It was also funny when Emma and Snow made allusion to their previous encounters with Dr. Whale in front of Henry. Ah awkward family moments.
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Enough with the Gregory Itzen hate. He was good on 24, Covert Affairs, and his numerous Star Trek appearances. Plus he was on a softball team with Michael Keaton, which is awesome.
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Ok so since Cora is apparently Rumple's protege of sorts, and she ain't no spring chicken, and Rumple had his son before he went all shimmering dark lord, does that mean that when we finally meet Baelfire he's gonna be like freaking Gandalf?
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Maybe, he's obsessed with bringing dead things back to life... insert your own joke here.
Like Rumple and Regina, we don't know who's playing who at any given moment. Regina is giving a good 'just want my whiny son back' performance- but is she really being vulnerable and letting Cora in? Actually I think taking Henry and turning him to the dark side would be a great plot twist, definitely would like him better. So maybe random injured man is Darth Vader?
She go from Nashville to Norway, Bonaire to Zimbabwe, Chicago to Czech (or) Slovakia and back!
It always takes me me a bit when hearing either Star Wars or Superman to determine which is playing, so I was like- Holy shit! Superman is calling them now?! Then of course he swoops in- "You called?" Emma: "What color underwear am I wearing?" Superman: "Ah, actually I'm Henry from the future." Jar Jar Binks: (makes awkward turtle sign)

Seriously though, why so obsessed with this boring injured man from out of town? No one held hospital murder meetings when Emma, August, and every other freaking delivery truck that has to bring food, diesel and bad hair extensions to these people came to town! And I don't care if Rumple is Regina's father, but the point has to be made how would the curse work if she didn't sacrifice her real father?
Although I am totes shipping Red and Whale now. Whaled. (insert joke here)

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She had to sacrifice something she really loved and the old Henry was it (it didn't have anything to do with him being her father)... that's why Rumple couldn't break the curse alone, because he didn't care for anyone anymore.
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I agree, but I think even if he hadn't thought Belle dead he would have used Regina anyway. 'Magic comes with a price' is his catchphrase for a reason. I think that's why Rumple's so big on deals, so other people are made to do his dirty work and suffer the consequences. Evil but brilliant, it's what makes him such a great villian.
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Gregory Itzin is actually a good actor! on 24 he was the best worst president ever!....I've just taken to blaming OUAT writers for making good actors (except Robert Carlyle) look like spectacularly under trained amateurs.

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1.) I hope he is 'cause he's apparently not so good with the foreplay...or Chemistry really (I am a bit biased against him because of the whole Frankenstein thing (I'm still pained that they went there first instead of Dracula which would annoy me too but within reason, that and Mulan just why OUAT why?)...on the other hand I still remember David Anders as Takezo Kensei, who could regenerate and live forever, so in my mind I just imagine the 24 hr regenerating Dr....who said Dr.s don't make...house calls anymore?)

2.) meh they might as well I'm kinda bored with them so far

3.) I'm assuming that's not an actual question

4) yes. no, and no.
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I think Mr. Gold is Emperor Palpatine in the Star Wars world and Ethan Embry recognizes him from that. Because, yeah, Star Wars.. I can believe it. Mr. Gold wants the cure for death, The Force might help. He's evil and manipulative......
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Well, I´m not sure if Emma didn`t recognized the strangers lie. The way she acted, it appears to me that she lied to Charming to avoid that lucky Outsider will be dead-poor Outsider soon.
BTW as far i can remember the only one who really fooled Emma was Sydney and it was implied or explored that she was emotionally comprised what clouded her judgement. If i were in her position last season i would be too, Just saying. Okay, please don`t be so rigid to Emma. She has probabely the hardest job on this show.

The episode was kinda blah, I did like it and hate it. Nothing particular surprising happens and that regina would go down the evil path again was just a matter of time. She is just screwed up and the writers will probably never fully tell if she is a good person or not. I do really hope that Rumple is not Reginas father. It would be plain awful in a creepy way, IMO.
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I don't even think I'm being hard on Emma, I'm just saying if you have a power freaking stick with it (writers). I just think that the writers sacrifice consistency for the sake of adding more mystery and half-baked tension to the plot and it is often just frustrating. (unless of course this guy who rode into town is also from a "fairy world" and is above magical influence and has been looking for this magic "haven/prison"...that would be...something)
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Well, my theory on where Bae actually is, is Manhattan. Because that's the ep after Tiny, and Emma and Henry are going with Rumple to find Bae. I call on Bae being Henry's dad. Always have. So I'm sure I'll be proved right in Manhattan. Next episode, I wager on Regina setting former Giant dude on Charming and Snow, mainly because Emma isn't there and neither is Henry, so if she kills them while the two are away, she can always deny all knowledge of the plot later. LOL! Anywho, Carmen could be anywhere. No one will ever find Carmen San Diego. The only two other people that are harder to find than Carmen, are Itachi Uchiha from the Naruto series, and Baelfire. Because that kid has been missing for a LOOOOONG time. LOL! I don't think Rumple is Regina's father. I mean if that was the case, and my theory about Baelfire being Henry's dad is right, then Baelfire is younger than Regina and that WOULD NOT FIT! Of course, I still think that time passes differently in Fairytale land than in the real world, so it's entirely possible that the writers will have a "I am your father" moment. But the day Star Wars Characters show up on OUaT (apart from Yoda because Yoda is freaking awesome) is the day I just give up watching OUaT and make plans to bomb the writers so they can never disappoint me again (ending of Lost anyone?)

So that's basically all I have to say about that. Apart from Emma has some serious S&M issues where Hook is concerned. Seriously, what's with her cuffing him to everything. All we need is for him to go visit her house, and Henry and the 'rentals will walk in and see him cuffed to her bed with fluffy purples from Ann Summers. LOL!
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First of all, I'm pretty sure that Rumple is not Regina's father. My theory is that Cora promised Rumple her daughter in exchange for him giving her something, probably magic. I've had this theory ever since earlier in this season when he told her that she had a connection to him. Basically, he's been using her her entire life so that she'd perform the curse. Why he didn't get Cora to do this curse, and get to his destination much, much faster, I don't know, but the writers will probably have some explanation for that.

On the whole, I enjoyed this weeks episode. Mostly this was due to some interesting character work, and because things didn't spiral too out of control. Ever since Snow and Emma have come back, I've been worried about what will happen now that everyone's in Storybrooke. Because while the Charming family, and their allies, are supposed to be the good guys in all of this, they have a warped sense of morality (I'm pretty sure that Snow and Charming would kill hundreds of kind of innocent people in order to save each other.) and live in a town where everyone is liable to form and angry mob, complete with torches and pitchforks, at a moments notice. So I was very happy that this week things stayed mostly alright, and Charming and Snow were actually the voices of reason for once.

That being said, most of the characters in this show think like children, in that they go with the first thought that pops into their head, and operate on some messed up logic. This is pretty funny, because the one child on this show, Henry, is actually pretty smart. From the beginning, he's been one of the few people who's known what's up and known what should be done. And a lot of the time, he has to drag everyone else, kicking and screaming, towards doing the right/smart thing. Honestly, it's a shame that he's not mayor, because the "good" council of Storybrooke came pretty close this episode to letting a man die, for a really stupid reason.

To be fair, it was mainly Grumpy (How is it that he got to be an adviser in the first place? Is he the union rep or something?) who straight up wanted them to let a man die. Charming, thankfully, was completely against it, but Snow seemed just a little on the fence. And the thing is, they weren't faced with a threat at all. Seriously, the guy is not a threat, at least he shouldn't be. Knowing this show, he may actually be a huge threat to Storybrooke, but in the real world, he's nothing to worry about.

Imagine that you get a call from your husband/boyfriend, who for some reason has you down as "her" in his phone, and he says that he's just seen something magical. You ask him what he saw, and he says that a dude shot some light from his hands. You press him a little further for details and he says he was in a car accident and just got done with a major surgery. Now, would you actually believe him? Probably not, but if you did, light from someone's hands? Surely there are other explanations besides: he used magic, that means that this whole town must be crawling with magical things, since we all know that if one person can shoot light from their hands, then werewolves and witches, right? Furthermore, even if he does think he saw something, and has no evidence of it whatsoever, the townspeople still shouldn't have much to worry about. Just act natural, which shouldn't be hard considering that it's not like people are constantly throwing magic around, and it's not like there are giants stomping about everywhere. So yeah, let that guy investigate, because if he starts to cause trouble he'll just look like a terrible person who literally crashes into a town, as well as a person, and then starts to accuse and pester everyone. So yeah, it shouldn't be a problem, though knowing this show it will be.

Another person who really wasn't thinking straight this episode: Regina. So, Cora dropped in on her daughter in one of the most offensive and hurtful ways that she could. She actually pretended to be Henry to get into Regina's lair, hugged her, and then changed back into herself and immediately said that she had framed her own daughter. Thankfully, Cora was unhappy with her mom, and said some pretty accurate things. For instance, Cora tried to say that she framed her to show her what the townspeople really think of her, but Regina pointed out that it was an airtight case that anyone would believe. While I would normally expect such an exchange to be the norm in these situations, it is very rare on OUaT that this actually happens, so I was so very pleased by this. And I was still pleased when Regina told her mom that if she really loved her, then she would accompany her into town and confess to everyone, which Cora agreed to. If only that had actually happened.

Now, I understand that, from the writer's point of view, it's a better choice for them to keep Regina on the fence as to whether she's good or bad. I get it, if she's a wild card you can do more with her. And if Cora had actually confessed to the town, especially since Hook is currently stuck in a hospital, then there wouldn't be any active villains left on this show. But this doesn't excuse what they made Regina do next. Cora gave the worst argument ever, saying: "yeah turn me in, I bet they'd like you for that, but think about it, you really want your son right, so don't turn me in and I'll help you get him." Seriously? This from the woman who kept her own daughter by imprisoning her? And Regina went along with it. I thought she had already learned this lesson. She was keeping Henry prisoner, but then realized that what she really wanted was for him to want to spend time with her. So how can Cora help her achieve this? She knows her mother's game, she lived it herself. Why is she just going along all of a sudden?

Another thing that didn't come up, at all, during this mother/daughter interaction, was that fact that Cora killed Daniel. Now, Regina spent a very large part of her life making Snow's miserable, since she blames her for Daniel's death. And the reason she blames her is that she told young Snow a secret, and Snow then told that secret to Cora, who then killed Daniel by ripping out his heart in front of Regina. I was under the impression that Regina was doing this to Snow mostly because she thought her mother was dead. She thought she had killed Cora, so Snow was the next person to focus her hatred and desire for revenge on. I know, she still loves her mother, so it's easier to hate someone else she's not related to, like Snow. But Regina said nothing of her mother killing the man she loved, in front of her, when they had their big reunion in this episode.

I am holding out hope that the writers are going to do me a real solid and have this whole Regina/Cora alliance be a trick on Regina's part. I will be really happy if it turns out that, in fact, Regina hasn't forgotten the really bad thing that her mother did to her, and is pretending to work with her in order to figure out her plan. Unfortunately, though, this may not be the case. We'll see.

As I said, for the most part, I enjoyed this episode. There were some cool things this week, and I always love it when Rumple is a boss. I was very happy when he thought about kissing Belle, because even it turns out to not be true-love's-kiss, he still gets to kiss the woman he loves. Why Snow and Charming don't break any and all curses in the town on a daily basis I have no idea, since every time they kiss each other it's technically true-love's-kiss, and the last time we saw this in Storybrooke it broke two curses at once. Anyway, I was also pleased that nothing too crazy (read: ridiculously unrealistic) happened, and it's good to see that we'll be seeing some interesting things next week. So yeah, it was a fun and enjoyable episode, but these characters really need to learn how to think for themselves and just use a little logic.
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Cora stated that she was a miller's daughter. Which means (if you know the Rumplestiltskin Tale) that she promised Rumple her first born in return for spinning gold and saving her life
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In the original story, yes. But I think in OUaT's version, instead of spinning gold he taught her magic. That would explain where she got it from.
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What if Cora gave Rumpel her firstborn-- and it was Sebastian Stan? "Regina, I am your brother!" may be ahead of us.
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I have yet to receive a satisfactory answer to this question: Why does Dr. Whale have a British accent when he is Victor??? His father and brother did not have an accent. Every other cursed character carried their FTL accents into Storybrooke. Belle has the New Zealand one, Gold sounds Scottish in both worlds, why does his change?
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Why?

Because...Ouat
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Lol - I know, I know. I should have learned to stop asking questions about a year ago, but some of the stupidity is just so egregious I can't let it go!
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It's true!
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"The fact that at one point it had been meaningful to talk about a chipped cup, but that telling her to "focus" on a dirty old dish made him now seem like a raving maniac, underlined how nuts the premise is and how isolated these characters really are in a genuinely touching way. Also CREEPSTER move kissing her when you know she's lost her memory, Rumple, geez. Obviously creepster."

THANK YOU SO MUCH for pointing that out, Lily. Super creepy and wrong.
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Not even a little creepy to anyone watching the show, paying attention and thinking. He was trying the "True Love's Kiss" thing. He's essentially morally obligated to try it. From her perspective, it is creepy, but not to anyone who knows what is going on unless you misread the scene, which it seems both you and Lily did.
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Well...you wouldn´t kiss your husband? After accident when he lost his memory? I definetely would..at first because it would be hard to believe he doesn´t really know who I am.
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Okay, so at this point Rumple being Regina's real father would fit perfectly in all the craziness happening in this show. It could very well be their "REGINA,I AM YOUR FATHER", only grosser. Because seriously? OUAT has gone mad. Black and white realms? Magic squid ink? Freakin' Frankenstein? Belle and Rumple's "romance"? But of all of them I guess that last one bugs me the most. In this episode Rumple reminded me so much of a madman. Why on earth would he force Belle take look at that teacup when he knew very well she didnt remember him? She was unstable, he should've left her alone. I've said it many times before, I'm not exactly a fan of their twisted "romance". On the other hand, what saved the episode for me was Regina and Cora. I mean, Regina's got sort of a dual personality, yeah, but she's still so much more believable than Rumple in terms of "trying to change".
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It's exactly because Regina is trying to change for Henry that she wouldn't join with Cora to get Henry back. Regina is leading Cora on, in order to ultimately defeat her-- having lost her first love because of her mother, Regina's not likely to risk her son by trusting Mom again. "Fool me once...."

And Henry may ask to live with Regina as a token of good faith, while Emma's out of town. Emma may request it, because only Regina can protect him from Cora or Rumpel.

What happened to "magic works erratically here"? That would have been more interesting, but Regina, Cora, and Rumpel all seem to have complete control over their powers now.



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He seemed to think he had imbued the cup with magic to make it a talisman that would restore her memory if she focused on it. Either it wasn't powerful enough or magic doesn't work on people once they lose their memory of its existence. Or ::insert something ridiculous the writers will use to stuff future plot holes::
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I thought that Rumple kissing Belle was him trying to bring her memories back with True Love's Kiss...only he's a psyociopathic-self-centered monster so he can't feel love, let alone True Love. It was upsetting to see Belle pushing him away.

I have a little trouble believing that some random person who drives into town and almost dies, wakes up and says "that was magic". Wouldn't it be more likely he would say "I must have hallucinated" or "the concussion must be messing with my memory". In fact the entire time they were debating what to do if he saw Rumple, I was yelling at them "just convince the guy it was a flashlight, and his memory is screwed up from the blow to the head". But of course they couldn't hear me because TV doesn't work that way, and there would be no drama if they took my advice.

The Regina/Cora thing makes sense to me and here's how: Regina used to hate her mom cause Mamma Queen was evil and manipulative. Now Regina herself is evil and manipulative so she can see where Cora was coming from, and in the theme that you love Lilly: If Cora can change then there's hope for Regina, so it's wishful thinking, not necessarily good sense.

I liked the Star Wars ringtone cause I'm a bit of a nerd, and I thought that it brought the outside world into town in a more tangible way than anything else they were doing. That being said, if they have a human version of Chewbacca show up I will stop watching.
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Or it just can't be fixed that way. Imagine if every time over the last 28 years every time two people who loved each other kissed they got their memories back. Only one person was able to break the Storybrooke memory curse. What I'm saying is that the only cure for this curse is sapphic, basically.
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Oh and one last thing: They just came back from mid-season hiatus and they are taking 3 weeks off?! Tsk Tsk Tsk.
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Probably one of the worst episodes of OUaT. Only episode that is comparable was that werewolf one earlier this season. The entire Frankenstein land sequences were bad - horrible plot and boy that father is one of the worst actors I have seen on television. I have seen reality stars do a better job than him. Even the actual stuff in Maine, Cora-Regina reunion, the entire doctor cant do surgery and even the outside plot was bad. I was just sitting and rolling my eyes every two minutes.

Only positives: Belle and Rumple story went according to plan and was satisfactory. Rumple cashing in Emma's favour (kind of expected because of the previously on... part) is taking the story forward. I actually also kind of enjoyed the Cora-Rumple truce and the Hook-Emma flirting. The ending once again was good enough to get me excited about the next episode but the writers have got to stop doing this - good cliffhangers, bad followups.
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Okay, my review:

Right now, I'm pretty sure that I'm the only one who likes the black-and-white dimension or whatever. I think it's pretty interesting, and personally, I'm really starting to like thise Dr. Whale/Viktor Frankenstein. (I had a flicker of hope for a relationship between Ruby and Whale) Plus, was anybody else laughing when Emma and the Two Idiots made references to Snow's affair with Whale and Henry was just like, "Wut?"

There was no epic showdown between Cora and Regina. It was a major let-down.

You're right, Lily. Father Frankie was a terrible actor.

And lastly, RUMBELLE. AGH. Alright, the acting was wondrous here (Ravin kicked ass), but Rumbelle is practically my favorite couple right now, so seeing her break the cup was just like, "NOOOOO!" When Rumple went to kiss her, I'm like, "No, you'll creep her out, you'll creep her out--oh! You creeped her out."

Heart crushing, really.

Best wishes to Hook, hope he recovers.

Goddamn three weeks...
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I agree with everything you just said. You are not the only one who likes the black and white universe, I like it too. I want to know how Rumple was clued in to the existence of Dr. Frankenstein in the first place. I mean I know he's all magic and knowing everything, but it's still a mystery to me.
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I would love to see more of the Charmings together. I got a laugh in the hospital when David was explaining 'Yeah, Whale is Frankenstein and he brought back Regina's love as an evil zombie...' and Snow's 'What happened here while we were gone?!'
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that was pretty good. They are so funny together.
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