Once Upon a Time "Into the Deep" Review: Bedtime for Bonzo

Once Upon a Time S02E08: "Into the Deep"

Look down, OUAT, do you see what you're precariously balanced on? That's right, it's my last nerve.

1. You raised an army of the undead and did nothing with it.

2. The lynchpin of all of last night's action was two characters SLEEPING.

3. You've expanded the ability of a snatched-out heart to such epic proportions that it's officially plot spackle. What can't you do a bitch's heart on this show? Cora is now using Aurora's heart to puppet her around and spy on the princesses like a meaty little baby monitor. And I guess Cap'n Hook isn't just a captain, he's some kind of mage or something if he can pull off the heart trick... although it was a real rookie move to just lug it around in a leather satchel. Probably all kinds of lint and loose change stuck on that heart right now.

4. Why is everyone so awful to Mulan? She had her life threatened, was abandoned to ragamuffin zombies, and probably never hears a "please" or "thank you" for setting up that bohemian solider tent.

5. You are yanking us around about Ariel, who I was definitely exactly the targeted demographic for in the '90s.

My last nerve, OUAT, my last nerve.

"Into the Deep" started with a very whispered conversation between Cora and Cap'n Hook, because all villains insist on hissing their plans to each other even when they're standing in a deserted hellscape with only dead bodies for company. Then Cora raised an army of ragamuffins, after which point she must have kept busy doing her laundry because they were offscreen for almost the whole episode.

Meanwhile in Storybrooke, as Henry, Regina, and David pieced together his nightmare netherworld and successfully masked Henry's growth spurt by keeping him lying down in every scene, Belle ate some hamburgers.

But not before Granny threw a lot of shade at Rumple, because Granny has that wonderful kind of personality that compels her to be absolutely awful to people and then feel morally righteous about it. Remember when she slut-shamed Snow and boycotted a charity because she had opinions about affairs? I haven't forgotten. Then because Rumple and Belle have literally nothing better to talk about, Rumple started explaining ketchup to Belle.

Soulmates. Before Rumple could move on to a super-condescending dissertation on mayonnaise, Regina barged in and let him know the shituation she had brewing in her son's nightmares: Cora's coming to this world!!! But, powerful though Cora may be, they are living light years ahead of her in terms of technology. If Belle is any indication, Cora is going to be shocked by concepts in our world as simple as diner food, let alone useful objects like say, RIFLES. Can't they just drive over her with a backhoe?

Regardless, Rumple was immediately on board with magicking Cora, and over in Fairy Tale Land, Snow and Emma were putting details together like two expert sleuths and figuring out how the sleeping curse had united Aurora and Henry (everyone's favorite characters on Opposite Day) in a literal chat room. Were you not impressed with how quickly everyone on both sides figured this out and started capitalizing on their communication? While every episode of OUAT previous to "Into the Deep" has based the conflict on our characters misjudging each other or making incorrect assumptions about each other, suddenly in this episode they could anticipate each other's actions so accurately it was as though they were reading each other's minds. The astounding leaps in logic basically every character made this week kept things ticking along, but, like, come on. We know these people are dumb as rocks. Last night they conveniently all got brain transplants. See, this is the problem with keeping your characters weirdly stupid for an entire first season: When you let them start acting smart and heroic, it's jarring to the audience. I was jarred! David Nolan, like, had an idea and stuff. That was the most magical part of the episode.

Then the show had the AUDACITY to have Rumple tell us the ink that would freeze Cora (ugh, ugh, ugh) would come from a squid only a mermaid could reach. My mind started racing. How would they handle underwater fx? CGI tail or latex fins? And then of course, Rumple revealed he had a pot of the stuff in a set that's already built, his old cell. Fantastic. This show should basically be called Scavenger Hunt: Forever.

Anyway, Henry and Aurora had one job: to have a conversation, and of course they both failed miserably and Aurora was swept out of the Netherworld violently because she was shaken awake.

And wow, was Mulan getting some aggression out, because sure enough when Aurora came to she was being rattled like a maraca. Aurora's bones were JOUNCED and then a herd of goofily dressed extras came through and basically tickled everyone. They weren't that threatening. Aurora allowed herself to be led off by them because she's hopeless. Surprise motivation: Mulan really cares about Aurora all of a sudden! Also, she can tell a withered, blistering lesion from a sunburn (kind of). That's basically the first thing you learn in "Being a Reluctant Yet Dedicated Protectoress" class. Then Aurora took off into the underbrush the first time Mulan got in trouble and was tripped by a zombie. Didn’t even look back!

Meanwhile, the backroom of Rumple's store suddenly smelled a lot like burnt hair.

Despite the fact that they could and did instantly heal Henry and Henry will have to return to the netherworld every time he sleeps anyway because that is how this curse works, Charming decided it would be a better idea to put himself under the Sleeping Curse (thereby leaving his town and grandson defenseless and rendering him physically incapable of helping his wife and daughter for an indeterminate amount of time) than risk Henry getting another burn. Which, as I've said, they could instantly heal, and also Henry will be right back in the netherworld the first time he goes to sleep, but that's not the point. The point is, Charming had an idea everyone! I didn't say it was a good one, but it happened and of that we can all be proud. Also it made me laugh out loud they had to actually set up a spindle to put him out. Because a pin dipped in Regina's magic sauce wouldn't have been classy.

Aurora woke up in another of Cora's oubliette's and gave her a nice hard kick in the feet. Cora got REALLY angry, I assume she was wearing her best shoes. Or maybe open-toe Birkenstocks? That would hurt.

After a tremendous show of what we were told was "pluck," Aurora got hoodwinked by a pirate's rouse (her words, not mine) and set free by Cap'n Hook. Meanwhile Cora sent off her TMobile Raven to inform the Princesses she would exchange Aurora for the compass, which compelled Snow to do heroin so she could meet up with David in the Burning Disco. (He had to go through a hall of mirrors first because mirrors are inexpensive and easily set up.) Luckily then he chippy-chipped his way through the floor to the disco room and who am I to say that's not how that works? No one knows how any of this madness works, there is no underpinning logic here, we ordered a big messy bowl of Plot Element Stew when we sat down for this show and I'm not going to waste my breath complaining about it.

So here was our reward for suspending our disbelief for yet another week: Snow and Charming shouted at each other on a burning disco floor as sparks wheeled around their heads in slow motion. It was actually quite romantic and effective (I am a sucker for how much Josh Dallas is crushed out on Ginnifer Goodwin, and they are frealz dating so basically put these two in front of me in slow motion and I'm happy), and it put a real clock on Snow for getting them back to the real world. When they were just worried about Henry, Snow was calm and cool as a cucumber; when David was in peril she was like, "WE GOTTA GET BACK MOTHER-DAUGHTER CAMPING TRIP IS OVER," hahahaha I wouldn't have raced back to the real world to hang out with Henry either, I feel you Snow.

However that does not excuse her threatening and then seriously considering murdering Mulan. With an arrow used like a shiv!!! Mulan, get out of there. Forget Phillip, forget Aurora, forget this whole mixed bag of nuts you fell in with. Go find a recruitment tent somewhere and get your life back on track. They are never going to let you in their pretty pink Princess clubhouse, I'm sorry. I know Aurora and Snow touched foreheads in the last episode and Emma gave Aurora her jacket but then the second she doesn't go along with their plans they turn on her like lowdown dirty dogs. You don't need it, Mulan.

Luckily Aurora returned in the nick of time with Cora's hand figuratively up her ass, puppeting her already foolish mouth. Clap clap clap, Cora. I'm one hundred percent positive Hook has a bigger plan here that involves actually helping Emma, but I don't expect any kind of trifling emotional arc to unfold in any kind of timely fashion because this show is about BEING BUSY LOOKING FOR STUFF. Let's grab the COMPASS and get some SQUID INK so we can get to a PORTAL. Yes, letzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

So, this week:

Product Placement: Actually pretty meh this episode. No new characters introduced except for zombies, which are always a crowd pleaser. Two out of five stars.

Character development:

Ugh. Mulan getting super protective of Aurora felt a little rushed and forced and they bopped us over the head with that way too many times. Also Regina agreeing not to do magic anymore because her whiny, traitorous kid says so is just so boring and out of character. Two out of five stars.

Razzle Dazzle/Keeping Me Entertained: I cannot believe how much this episode was fueled by naps. So many naps! But I will give extra points for the slow-motion fiery Snow/Charming scene and hey, zombies. Four out of five stars.

Annoying References to Bigger Story: The amount of things a single heart can do in Cora's hands is officially insane. But to be fair the writers didn't wave any "all will be revealed" flags at us so I'm pretty pleased. Four out of five stars.

Twelve stars! Pretty good. But more importantly, what did you think?


QUESTIONS:

1. How did Cap'n Hook snatch that heart? Does he know magic?

2. Did Charming put his whole family at risk so he could take a nap?

3. Are the Princesses way too mean to Mulan?

4. Have you ever gone on a mother-daughter camping trip?

5. What's Hook got up his sleeve (besides the actor's actual hand holding the end of his metal hook prosthetic)?

6. Did Cora fail to use her army of the undead effectively?

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Another great recap of an episode ha ha... I'd love for someone to guest star and start asking all these questions.. questions about Henry burning room and about all plot issues.. very funny very entertaining..
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That was great... Thanks for the laughs. :)
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This cracked me up! I love reading these, however, I still love the show. I look forward to it. It's like being a kid again and hearing stories for the first time. I dont care if they make perfect sense, it's magical, and somehow they always tie it all together and then you go... oh yea how brilliant. I bet they will do that in the last episode like they did last season. I do not think the show is falling apart. If they cancel it i will die. So shut up!
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It was an average episode but my best moment is Regina making the sleeping potion with Henry is very touching and it is nice to see her trying to win her son back. As for charming he will always be heroic as shown in his days in the fairytale world so putting himself in danger to protect others is not new.
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This is the second worse episode. The only one worse is "The Doctor". This show is falling apart
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I just wanted to say, Cora's ability to control people's actions with their hearts isn't new. Regina did that to the Huntsman at the end of The Heart Is A Lonely Hunter (1x07).
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I will add, though it's a little late now...

I laughed my a** off at one bit. This is an 8PM family show essentially made by Disney...

And they had Snow White REALLY want another hit of Opium. Like WHERE IS IT, I NEED IT. I NEED TO GO BACK. Addict much?

It's like having Ariel or Jasmine prepping their vein for a syringe.
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Charming's decision to take a nap is understandable in a way, he was quite sure that Snow will be there and a kiss will bring him back. Of course we knew that there would be some complication. Of course.

The zombies part was quite lame, I don't even know how they made it to the title screen. I suppose it's easier to draw zombies than "sleep".

I like Regine being "good", but at the same time I miss her wonderfully played evilness from the 1st season. Lana Parrilla was really, really good, you loved to hate her! Cora is just not on the same level.

All in all, it was a rather silly episode.. But even after I'll get really bored or fed up with this show, I will continue to watch just to read these review afterwards..
Thanks, Lily :)
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I love that you're still mad at Granny for slut shaming Snow. I admire that sort of dedication. Forgive no one.

Also, I second the motion to rename the show Scavenger Hunt: Forever.
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I was a little bored by this episode. I was expecting to see some Little Mermaid action if I'm honest. I mean seriously "Into The Deep" is a title for an episode MADE for The Little Mermaid. As for Cora and the undead army? Pointless. It was completely and utterly pointless. The RAVEN made more sense then the zombie army. I'm cool with Snow being mean to Mulan. I want Mulan to just go nuts and kick ass, or for them all to become besties, but that won't happen without interactions. So Snow trying to shank Mulan with an arrow head works for me. LOL!
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I had problems with points 1 and 5 as well, but apart from that I actually liked this episode (contrarily to last week's that I hated a lot but got a positive review? do we have opposite tastes?).
OUaT actually listened to my wishes and left the "backstories" (aka fairytales that we all know and love being retold in an unoriginal way with moronic and cliche twists and lame life lessons) to focus on the one thing I was excited about : the limbo world. It wasn't amazing, but it didn't get too lame (maybe I'm just a sucker for fire and mirrors, but I thought the scenes in limbo, while not very original, were efficient enough), and the episode had a couple almost scary scenes that I enjoyed. I don't care that much if it's a stretch, give me glowy hearts, mind control and people stuck in dreamland over wolfpacks and the power of friendship anyday. Just my personal opinion though. Were there stupid people making stupid decisions for stupid reasons? Yes, but that's OUaT. But I was into it, while last week I was considering giving up the show forever. We'll see how next week goes.
For some reason Aurora is growing on me. Yes Mulan was mistreated but she wasn't the only one: "I don't care if you're scared to death, get back to that pit of fire and get to work missy!". And then they were kinda ready to let her die? Snow and Emma weren't being very nice, just saying.
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I'm a bit behind, still at episode 6, and I just saw the most awesome scene in the whole series so I had to tell someone.. The moment where Hugo comes out as the last remaining giant... Epic!!!! I have a stupid smile on my face since I saw it xD
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The episode was not that bad
but I do agree there were two stupid things
1 David idea which didn't make any sense except putting David in the position the writers wanted
2 Cora does not need an army of the dead to take the golden compass out of Emma and Snow hands she can just come up to them and take it using her powers its much more easy and obvious thing to do
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Ya know, I didn't really think about what a dumb move David made in jumping into that sleeping curse until I read this hilariously sarcastic review. But yea, it was pretty dumb. Not only is Henry just as capable of getting in there and coming out, but now David is out of commission until Snow gets back to Storybrooke, leaving Henry under the care of Regina! Very smart, Charming.
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"How did Cap'n Hook snatch that heart? Does he know magic?"

All I know is that neither Tinkerbell nor Peter Pan taught him. This is more contrived than Rumpelstilskin = Beauty's Beast.
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Meh, he's been alive for hundreds of years at that point. And I imagine he was Cora's servant (or whatever) for maybe a decade before the curse. So she might have been teaching him some magic during that time so he'd be more useful to her.
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A Pirate, by definition, is afraid of magic/superstition. He's not a practitioner
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And a heart, by definition, won't keep you alive once completely severed from the circulatory system. I think we can throw Encyclopedia/Dictionary/etc definitions out the window with this show.

Throw in a thirst for vengeance, and I could see a Pirate turning to magic to defeat one of the most powerful magical forces in his land. Heck, especially if he's lived in Neverland for hundreds of years and so far Magic is the best weapon he's been able to find.

Heck, the Pirates of the Caribbean series of films had the leads turning towards magic to satisfy their desires for immortality, a fast ship, or even once-again-mortality.
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Once again, Captain Sparrow didn't use magic himself. Its against "the code"
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I can buy Mulan being attached to Aurora so suddenly since as she said it's because it was the last thing Phillip asked her to do so it's more about him than Aurora. That said she should probably seriously think about leaving the group. Just give Snow some more heroin and get outta there!

Rumpel explaining ketchup to Belle made me cringe. Regina being "nice" wasn't jarring for me though. I thought the scene with her doing magic in front of Henry was cool. And it's not like she's totally rehabilitated since according to my DVR description of next weeks ep Regina and Rumpel are going to get up to some Charming family not approved shenanigans. I find her wanting to change her ways to be a good mom to Henry and not like her mom to be way more sweet than the whole arc with Belle trying to change Rumpel.

Also I laughed really hard at Regina side eyeing Rumpel when Henry asks when Charming will wake up and Rumpel shaking his head.
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-He charmed it out of her. You combine his "I'm sex on legs lemme get you all hot and bothered by half smirking and squinting my eyes" with Aurora's "I'm gullible, hopeless, and can be easily swayed while I stare at you with wonderment and awe in my doe-eyes" and it's safe to say he just grinned at her and whispered and her still groggy heart probably fell from beneath that horrible monstrosity of an outfit she has to don. Hell, the poor heart probably volunteered just to get away from her. Contrary to all of this I liked Aurora a hair more than I have previously. That's like huge, because she is still arguably the most embarassing and frustrating female character on this show to date...and I'm including random peasant girl #4, who showed promise.
- Have you seen his family?!! David Nolan may be smarter than we ever gave him credit for! But yeah, seriously...that whole plan was like "huh?" I love Charming, but he's definitely harder to tolerate when David Nolan slips through. But to put a nice spin on it in true Blue fashion. Maybe I should give kudos that they have this ongoing struggle of duality and inner conflict with each character. They're battling with who they are as their fairy tale selves with who they are as their Stonybrook alters. They're like walking around in a state of awareness to their Dissociative Identity Disorder which is kinda fascinating or something.
- Eh. Mulan got on my nerves in this episode. Granted she doesn't really know these chicks but she can't be screaming about loyalty and honor and all this other cool stuff to justify taking care of someone as bratty as Aurora...and still be so willing to screw over Snow and Emma too. Technically she hasn't known Aurora that much longer than Snow and Emma. Mulan needs more of her own backstory because she can't stand alone or have any real presence until she has that.
-When I'm done laughing hysterically I'll answer that.
-Really great biceps. I actually think he's playing both sides but he has some weird attachment to Emma so he actually won't betray her as it is being implied. Basically, I don't really care all that much. I just like objectifying Hook because he makes it so easy.
- I don't even know anymore. I had a WTF? face the entire episode but I just roll with it.
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I know you will get this: stolen hearts = new crystals.
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In Mulan's defense, she's not so much being loyal to Aurora... as she was to the Prince that awoke Aurora. Apparently THEY had some back-story and she is willing to follow his dying request even if it kills her. He said "protect her" and these two chicks in strange clothes are making that increasingly hard to do.

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I agreed with most of the review, but I take issue with David being mocked for protecting Henry. First off we know Snow eventually stopped going there, so David having faith that Henry wouldn't keep going back isn't ludicrous. Second Rumple said that it was the venturing deeper into the world that made it so dangerous, so if Henry does end up going back there he won't have to go searching for anyone and therefore will be in less danger. But most importantly if Henry could be burnt why would David not assume that he could also be killed. No parent who actually loved their child would send them on a deadly mission if that parent could take the mission on themselves. What David did lessened Henry risk, parents can't protect their kids all the time, but that doesn't stop them from trying.
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Yeh, sending a kid to do something risky, life threatening, and to a place that actually burns them...

I don't blame Charming from wanting to take that responsibility himself. Heck, even for any kid he'd probably consider it... but Henry is his grand-son.

Plus, his logic seemed sound. He'd hang out there until Snow eventually entered there and kiss. Either she would be the next one in, or Aurora would tell Snow and she would find a way back in. Of course, how was HE supposed to know that they wouldn't be able to touch since even Mr Gold apparently didn't know.
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Why did Henry lose the ability to make the flames die down??
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Haha! So true! All of it. Never change, Lily. These reviews are awesome!

It's funny, though. Even with the misused zombie herd, the overused heart snatching madness and the fire naps (those are the second worst kind of naps), I still liked this episode. I guess I'm a sucker for Disney shills.

But do you know what I find jarring? Regina acting ... Nice (ugh). That's still weird for me.

Oh, by the way Lily, if you think this show is about looking for stuff and side quests, you should check Revolution out. It's really become fantastically and hilariously bad. I love it!
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Ok, I am officially done with the heart stealing gimmick on the show. For one thing, it was cool when it started because it was rare, but now it is just too common place. First you had Regina and that was acceptable because she was the big bad queen. Then there was Cora and Rumple and that was fine because she was a powerful witch and he was the dark lord. But now you have Hook plucking out hearts with absolutely no explanation as to how he learned to do it. At least tell us he learned it in Neverland or something. Beyond this, now the hearts can be used to bring back the dead as zombies (may explain Frankenstein's monster) and can be used to puppet victims around and spy on people. Plus, is it just me or has the way the plucked hearts been shown changed every time they are shown? Now it seems like they have some sort of clear plastic shell around them. It's like the props are used once and then are thrown away.

The rest of the episode was decent but had huge plot wholes and illogical moments. For one thing you have David. I can understand that he did not want Henry to risk himself again but in he did not think too far ahead or has become way to trusting. With him asleep, nothing and no one is stopping Regina and Rumple from taking over. They could easily leave Snow and Emma trapped and David asleep which would leave Henry with no one but seemingly still psychotic adoptive mother to care for him and leave the entire town at the mercy of the Queen and the Dark Lord. Think about it Charming.

I still love the badass Snow White. She can fight and track and is extremely protective of her loved ones. They even brought in a little of her ability to understand animals. But I do agree that Mulan needs to get her ass out of there. She is a warrior with honor, I understand that. That is why she is still attached at the hip to a princess who refuses to listen to her and learn common sense and is still meandering around the forest in a dress. It is also the reason why she is still helping this crazy mother daughter duo find a portal to a world she could care less about. But for the love of God how much is this woman going to take before she gets her ass back to Mushu the dragon. For one thing, how many episodes have featured a scene which ended with Snow White straddling Mulan with something pointy at her throat, by my count at least 3 or 4.
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Once upon a time is the sort of show which you enjoy if you dont over-analyze it coz to be honest a show which has frankestein, snow white, cinderalla and lancelot all thrown in together is hardly going to make much sense anyway :)
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I never really understood "hate-watching" or why people did it until I started watching this show.
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My understanding of heart taking was that the person remained alive unless their heart was crushed...if Cora had the men's hearts in her heart chest, why were the men dead???
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THANK YOU! (Could you apply to be a writer for this show, please?)
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Let's give one credit where credit is due, the best thing about this episode was NO FREAKING FLASHBACKS!

Those were, just like on Lost, fun at first but become tiresome beyond relief. They should keep into switching between the worlds instead of those pointless stupid flashbacks that don't really add much to the story (possibly Emma being the exception)
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I enjoyed the episode. I like the show for what it is. It's fun to watch and doesn't tax my brain cells. I later use said cells to figure out the nuttiness of Homeland or reading a really good book.

I think I've lost too many brain cells, because I didn't even think of how stupid David's idea was and that Henry would be going back to that world as soon as he went to sleep.

What really bugged me, was that people kept falling asleep AT THE SAME TIME. Like I said, dead brain cells.
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I think Mr Gold had a throw-away line. That it was getting more dangerous and burn-y for Henry because he was fighting to go in deeper and stay longer. Which he was having to do more each time. The last time he got burned pretty bad, who knows what would happen next time(s).

Where-as Charming would be going in for the first time and they all assumed would be awoken by true love's kiss. Either Snow would be the next one in, or Aurora would see him and tell Snow who would find a way back in.

So, my guess is just casually sleeping... without TRYING to go in and do stuff, you'd eventually go there less and less and then stop once your mind adjusts. Henry's hasn't yet but Snow's has.
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*read not reading, lol. I think I need to replenish my brain with something intelligent.
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The forehead wrinkles of Emma should get a spin-off. I can't believe she's 28. Anyway, I was complaining about the storybrooke names before, and how they only use the storybrooke names in this show instead of being awakened and knowing their real names. But now they're just using it interchangeably. It seems so random and it's getting really annoying.
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Yea emma looks atleast 5-6 yrs older than snow whereas in real life ginnifer goodwin is older than jennifer morrison...
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It ain't the years, it's the miles.

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Lily! So glad you mentioned Hook and the heart... I was like.. oh ok, so anyone can just pull out peoples hearts without killing them in FTL? sure whatver....

Also i was kinda peeved about the lack of sense when everyone was taking these naps to meet up with each other... uuummm 1. does everyone just easily fall asleep during the day... 2. how did they know to take their naps at the same time????

i wouldve understood all this if they were waiting at night to do all these dream meetings...
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THIS

Yeh, I take naps and such when I get home from work or whatever. But it's not like I can just do it on-demand. The show is making it seem like "Let's stop here so you can fall asleep. OK Zzzzzzz"
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Not just without killing them...without them *noticing*.
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And even worse... Why didn't Cora just rip that heart out herself?!?
Seriously, what was the point of keeping Aurora in a cell completely unguarded if she could mind control her on her own?
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Agreed.

Especially since ripping out hearts is kind of "her thing" It's like Batman forgetting he carries bat-a-rangs, and Robin has to decide to pick up a rock at throw it at some guy's head.
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hahaha love the humor, you're awesome ! :)
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Hook knows magic. after all he did cast a sleeping curse on Tinkerbelle.
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1. How did Cap'n Hook snatch that heart? Does he know magic?
My theory is that he knows a little bit of everything. It really surprised me that he had the heart in the first place.

2. Did Charming put his whole family at risk so he could take a nap?
Yes. Since David is the the only thing standing between Regina/craziness and Henry and he's now taking a nap until who knows when. Mr. Gold is always on the fence between whether he's going to be helpful or vengeful.

3. Are the Princesses way too mean to Mulan?
No. She's kind of mean to them. But they could lighten up a little bit...

4. Have you ever gone on a mother-daughter camping trip?
Yes. But my mother and I are not the same age and we weren't stuck in an alternate world while camping.

5. What's Hook got up his sleeve (besides the actor's actual hand holding the end of his metal hook prosthetic)?
A plan. He reminds me very much of Julian Sark from Alias. Always knows who to ally himself with whoever is going to get him what he wants the soonest. It doesn't matter who he has to hurt or betray, he'll get what he wants in the end and Hook wants to get to Storybrooke. So whoever is going to get there first will be the one he eventually ends up with. That being said, I think he'll end up with Emma even is Cora
is going to get to Storybrooke before Emma.

6. Did Cora fail to use her army of the undead effectively?
Yes! I thought she'd make much better use of it. She's evilest evil person on the whole show and she has an army of the undead. Do something cool with it.
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Meh, Charming isn't the only thing standing between Regina's craziness and Henry anymore. She seems to be genuinely trying to win Henry over. For example, since her promise she HAS been pretty good about the whole "no magic" thing. You can't really expect her to go cold-turkey when a zombie-ex-fiance is trying to kill her.

Regina is a mixed-bag. On one hand: evil queen and not winning any mother-of-the-year awards. On the other hand, she DOES love Henry but she's just so damaged she doesn't go about it very well.
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No mention of Henry's "I was BORN to do this!" yet, huh? It's one of the cheesiest old lines a TV character can say, and it was even funnier coming out of Henry. To add funny onto funny, he was saying it in regards to sleeping.
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Awesome and Very Entertaining Episode!!!

1. How did Cap'n Hook snatch that heart? Does he know magic? = Maybe

2. Did Charming put his whole family at risk so he could take a nap? = No

3. Are the Princesses way too mean to Mulan? = Yes

4. Have you ever gone on a mother-daughter camping trip? = NO

5. What's Hook got up his sleeve (besides the actor's actual hand holding the end of his metal hook prosthetic)? = Not Much Except his Charm and Looks

6. Did Cora fail to use her army of the undead effectively? = Apparently
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@ #5= isn't that all he needs? I mean his looks have gotten him this far...
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I am pretty sure that ketchup/condiment line was my favourite part of the whole season.
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I noticed Henry looked way older than before. They were definitely trying to hide that. Yeah that wasn't the best episode ever.
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They had the same problem on Lost.
Face it, it's a hard balancing act. You want someone to play an adolescent, but skilled and mature enough to actually BE an actor. That tends to mean they're an older adolescent, which means they'll be hitting their puberty and growth spurts soon.
Which stinks if a show isn't making 1 season == 1 year.
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Okay, seriously, is no one going to talk about how Snow suddenly speaks crow?

Also, does anyone wonder if Regina still has her own heart--or is it located in one of Cora's many wall of hearts (or Gold's)?
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As others said, Snow can apparently communicate with animals. That is part of various tellings of the story (especially Disney's) and was hinted in some of the early episodes.

I DID like that interaction though. Emma was kind of like "W T F" and Snow was like "yeh, this was normal stuff for me back in the day"
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It was mentioned several times in season 1 that Snow could talk to birds (blu jays specifically if I recall correctly).
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Snow can speak to animals. thats from the original fairytale,or maybe just from the disney movie..
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Ha. That would be awesome, because Cora puppetmastering Regina is the only way I'd ever forgive Regina which seems to be the writers' goal. Plus, it certainly would have made Cora's life easier.
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My opinion on how Hook got the heart is that since he watched Rumple steal the heart of his lover (actually Rumple's wife) and he's been stuck in Fairy Tale Land with Cora with time at a stand still, when he seen her do it, he paid close attention to learn how it was done. After all, Emma and the crew first found Hook under all those soon-to-be zombies, so he probably watched Cora steal all of their hearts.
Since he is so hell-bent on vengeance against Rumple, I bet he plans on killing him the same way as he killed his wife..
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Hahaha agree with so much of this! Aurora and Henry are the worst. Mulan is the best basically and all she gets it crap. I'd say "ditch those fools" but then WE'D be stuck with Aurora and no Mulan.
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Hook obviously has some magic experience, and the original character really is a brutal killer, dunno what OUAT is going to do with him, but keeping his true motives unclear is definitely one thing.
Seems like it, but we've seen Charming do stupid heroic things before (put magic egg inside dragon, jump in front of girlfriend's arrow), so we should never underestimate his dumbass 'be the hero' antics.
First I thought they hated Aurora more, but now Mulan is becoming the Meg of this princess tribe. She also seems way too easily manipulated, Mulan should be kickin' ass and taking names, not whining about Aurora and compasses...bleh.
My mom's idea of camping is Olive Garden followed by Best Western.
I don't agree that Hook has a plan to help Emma. Again, I think they'll keep Hook ambiguous like Rumple and Regina (aw, that sounds like a nice spinoff!) until they kill him off unceremoniously like every other hot guy.
Undead army will return next ep. Where were they for the Halloween ep, btw?
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Although this episode was definitely not great, it certainly was not the worst (see: "Dreamy" or that horrible episode with Hansel and Gretel). While the lynchpin of this week's episode was characters sleeping, it did bring a good deal of plot development. Don't get me wrong, I hate CGI fires as much as the next viewer, but it showed progress to have both worlds communicate with each other as well as get Snow and Charming together again. Not to mention this sets up Storybrooke for interesting times without the resident Sheriff/Prince.

As far as your comments on characters go: the reason why no one likes Mulan is because she doesn't do anything helpful! I also disagree with your comment that "David Nolan, like, had an idea and stuff. That was the most magical part of the episode." Maybe I'm mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that David Nolan is gone- it could just be inconsistent writing but Charming has been different from Nolan since the very beginning and has come up with several good ideas over the course of two seasons.

In regard to the general recap format: your comments on the photos didn't do anything for me this week. Most of them seemed pointless and were not funny, but I guess that's just my opinion. Finally, your rating categories of "product placement" and "annoying references to bigger story" are probably the two worst categories to judge an episode on, so I'm a little confused as to why those were chosen. I would give this episode a C+
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I laughed at the photo comments
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Hansel and Gretel gave us Emma Caulfield as the blind witch. So that episode was much better than this one. I believe this would fall under Lily's "Product Placement" category.
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It's the point of the show. That's it's storytelling mechanism. Retell a story, introducing new characters. It's rating the show against what the show itself wants to be. To do anything else would be like rating a truck on how ripe an apple it is.
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I guess I just don't understand why it's a category upon which each episode is rated - seems irrelevant to the quality of the show.
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I am serious, but never mind that. It's a tie-in to another Disney property. A TV movie by Tim Burton for the Disney channel. If it had been a more popular episode perhaps they'd have released a DVD or done a remake. For good or for ill the major focus of this show seems to be to introduce or reintroduce people to Disney properties they might not have purchased all the tie-in products for. By that measure, this episode fails, and that episode succeeds because most of us didn't even realize they had ever adopted Hansel and Gretel as their own in the first place. This episode brought nothing new, so it autofails. I wouldn't even give it a two.
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Not to re-hash an episode from Season 1 too much, but you can't be serious. Emma Caulfield, although great, was WAY underutilized in an episode that was based on Emma’s plan to force two children on a father that doesn’t know they exist...

How does it fall under Lily's "Product Placement" category? What does that even mean?
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Let me spell this out. Charming agreed to accept the Sleeping Curse because he figured that, once he got there and met up with Snow, they could communicate, then (and this was mentioned more than once) SNOW COULD KISS HIM AND BREAK THE SLEEPING SPELL. That is what all of the "they can't touch" stuff was about. They had no idea that they couldn't touch, as generally (as was also mentioned) one is alone in the sleeping-spell realm.

Personally, the family and I loved last night's episode.
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Yes but the point is, Henry would return to that place anyway. He's got to sleep sometime. He may have thought that he wouldn't be there forever but his plan is still dumb because there's no way to stop Henry from going back to the fire disco floor so he wasn't protecting him from anything. Also, fire can burn them but people can't touch? That's dumb.
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But Gold said that Henry was purposely going in deeper and trying to stay and interact... which was increasing the danger. Hence the burns.

So take that the other way, if he was just "chilling" and sleeping and only in there for a little while without purposely interacting, he was become safer and safer and probably eventually stop going (like Snow).

So yeh, he'll probably return the next time he falls asleep. But if he's not trying to navigate the place and interact with it he'll probably just get scared.
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I thought it was a good episode that perfectly developed the netherworld from the sleeping potion. People complain that there wasn't enough zombie action, but this was the episode to introduce them and OUAT doesn't just throw big action sequences together for the sake of it.
1) As for Captain Hook, I'm pretty sure Cora taught him magic. He has one working hand, probably when she started to run he took it out.
2)I think the twist on Prince Charming not being able to wake up was great, it shows that magic is still not controllable and it would've been to boring and predictable if every time he wanted to talk he had to see Snow, kiss her and he'd be back.
3) As for the princesses being too mean to Mulan, no. She's almost a liability at this point. The camp is dead so she has nowhere to go except hang around Aurora, because she wants to "protect" her. I personally think that she liked Prince Phillip and she's blamed everyone in the gang, including Aurora, for his death. I think Snow should have killed before she does something else that could ruin there chances of going home.
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It was a good episode but I wanted more zombie action. Seriously if you can call up a zombie army, use that sh** right. And how the hell did Hook take out Aurora's heart? Did he magically enchant his hook and did it while she was asleep? Or did he do it Ace Ventura style and jam his forearm into her mouth and pull that sh** out? Anyway, a trap is a coming for our three ladies and it looks like Rump and Regina will be concocted their own plans next week as well.
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While I can't argue about any of your points, I was still entertained with this show for the hour I was watching it. Yes the zombies were a waste of extras because the whole scene was pointless. Cora using Aurora as a puppet was lame. Refusing to let Henry go back was nonsense (but at least David will see that every night when Henry is visiting). All that being said I was so glad to see David and Snow have a scene face to face, they spend way too much time apart. And for once we got to see Emma have a level head and reassure Snow about getting back, although she spent an awful lot of time trying to blame herself for Henry's disco night from Hell nightmares. Nothing this season has jumped out at me and said "watch that again cause it was awesome" but it's an ok way to spend an hour a week
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I thought it was eh, okay, through I really cracked up with the ridiculously accurate assumptions that came up especially from Charming. They really must have been reading each other minds.XD Sucks that Charming is now stuck in the disco hall from hell, especially since the risk of giving him the curse seem quite unnecessary. Also yeah shame that the zombie army wasn't shown much. Maybe that magic will be use again later on.
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For once (upon a time) I agree somewhat with your review. Although I took the 'zombie' army to be mindless trackers sent out to find out protagonist. It made sense to me, that only a few of them showed up later, because the rest were scattered elsewhere. But, yes, I agree about the quality of the 'Charming going to sleep'-idea vs. 'Henry will be going anyway'-fact. Maybe they accidentally cut out the line: 'I will never let my son sleep again'. Furthermore, I am beginning to think, that this shows target audience is pre-teens. At least judging from the quality of the action and dialogue.
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I just got to say that I look forward to your reviews of OUAT so much *HUGS* Love them
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your review was the only good part of the episode this week.
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A friend told me I would enjoy this episode because she thought it "finally moved the plot". (I will question her about this later because I think they just waltzed in a familiar pointless circle.) Anyway I watched it today and was, not surprisingly, totally unimpressed. In addition to Lily's on-point criticisms and questions, here's one of mine: Why can't Henry kiss David and break the sleeping curse? Whatever. I hope they all fall into the fiery disco pit of stupid they have created. At least the flames would be loud enough to drown out most of the inanity.
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good point about the true love's kiss
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Here's my theory on why Henry can't wake Charming (and feel free to call B.S.) A parent's love is far stronger than the child's love. Or maybe it was just cause David and Snow have each other and you can only have one true love.
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Henry wouldn't have to kiss David on the lips. Emma's kiss worked with Henry on the forehead. As for the true love thing, I don't see why 2 is a lot for one person. I truly love my husband, my brother, my parents, grandparents, best friend. Some true loves are romantic, some are platonic, some are familial, but they are all true. I would sacrifice for all of them, even the ones who are my biological seniors (although breaking the curse doesn't call for sacrifice, just a peck). But there I go again, using logic against a show that defies it at every opportunity.
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Yeah they have been pretty arbitrary about what constitutes love (and family for that matter) on this show. But just because a child's love for their parent or grandparent may be different, does that mean it is less "true"? Kinda harsh.
Here's another question. Why did Rumple leave his supply of Ursula juice in FTL? He brought every ridiculous item imaginable into our world, but the one thing powerful enough to render his archrival impotent was left behind for her to intercept? (You know she'll intercept it, forcing the princess posse to go on yet ANOTHER quest to find a certain fiery-headed mermaid with a vast supply of dinglehoppers.)
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Emma is henry's mother and her love for him can't be compared to henry's love for his grandfather who he has only know for a few weeks. Remember in season 1 henry didn't spend time with david.
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I suppose if Henry would have tried to wake him up and failed, it would have looked quite bad...
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Eh. I think you are being a bit too critical with this season so far. It hasn't produced any episodes like last season which went literally nowhere.
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I thought this was a great episode, so much better than the last one which got on my nerves. I actually found last weeks episode to be more infuriating when it came to people doing things for no reason (Those people of Storybrook hear a bit of rumors from a presumably disgraced and cruel king and immediately forget their own king's authority to go mob up with pitchforks how many farmers are there even?. And of course Billy was killed WITH AN AX and no one notices that the body doesn't have bite marks). Yeah, anyway, while I agree that motivations were stretched with week, they were still only stretched. Mulan may be overly protective of Aurora all too suddenly, but at least she has a good reason for this protectiveness. Besides, she's had this lingering thought in the back of her head that Snow and Emma are responsible for her prince's death. So yeah, I can see where shes coming from. Anyway, onto the questions.
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1. If I recall, Regina was able to pull a heart out of someone simply because she had the stomach for it. When Rumples first taught her to pull a heart out, he didn't give her any incantations or anything like that. It was all about her ability to want to pull out the heart and her willingness to do so. I think that in fairy-tale land anyone could pull out a heart if they wanted too, it's just that most people don't have what it takes stomach-wise. Since Hook is dead-set on his revenge mission, that certainly gives him the will to pull the heart out.

2. This is where the selfishness of love comes in. Charming says when he sees snow that he just "had to see her." These two lovebirds had just found each other again after the curse broke, only for them to be separated once again. I completely agree that, Henry should still be the messenger because: a. it gives his character importance, b. he has a necklace that can push the flame back, c. he'll most likely still be going back to the room, and d. the only reason he got burns in the first place is that Aurora got pulled out too early, so if they make sure no one gets pulled out early again, it's all good. I guess presumably Regina thinks that she or Gold can find a way to stop Henry from going to that room again, even though before Gold only gave Henry the necklace. Regardless, Charming really wanted to see snow again, and he doesn't care about the consequences. Snow is the same: she woke up and immediately wanted to drug herself and go back under to see him some more. I think both of them just shut out the rest of the world when they're together. I think I see now why in fairy-tales everyone's trying to get their princes and princesses to stray away from love, because if you have two lovers ruling the kingdom they would let thousands of people die just to save their soul-mate. Anywho, David instinctively shied away from leadership in the first place when the curse broke in Storybrook, so it makes sense that he's so willing to shrug off responsibility once more if it means a chance to see Snow again. Awww, to be in love.

3. I think all the Princesses need to sit down and have a good, long talk. Especially now, since if they had all just stuck together in the first place, there wouldn't be all this betrayal and stuff. Though to be fair, I think it'll be Mulan who notices that something's up with Aurora, as she's known her the most. Yeah, they all need some bonding, and less picking on each other. One of the houses I lived in in college was me, my two best friends, and one other person we'd only really known the year previous. It's not like we didn't like that other person; they were just the just the odd one out. Mulan has become that person because, while Aurora is more of a follower, Mulan is an independent, leadery person. But it's hard to be leader when the frickin' queen drops out of the sky and takes over your merry band of princesses.

4. I'm a dude, so no. I'd imagine they usually involve less swords and zombies than this one.

5. I think this depends on whether or not you can put a heart back in once it's been taken out. I think on a practical level he's just using both sides. He'll soon be joining up with the Princesses so he'll benefit from the use of the compass and their other skills. And he also has Cora for an ally again so presumably he'll be able to tag along when she uses the wardrobe ash. I think he was starting to feel something for Emma, but then got hurt when she betrayed him. My guess is that at some point she'll kiss it better and he'll turn on Cora again to save Emma. But at the moment, he's back to revenge basics: get to Storybrook, take down Gold.

6. Yes, but I hope that answer will soon become no. I'm holding out that her zombie army will be used for a good amount of the rest of the season. So far, the only things that define her as a villain are pretending to be other people, which she's only done once. Sure, she has that heart thing going too, but we saw Regina do that first, and even though timeline-wise Cora was really the first, as a viewer it still feels like Cora's copying Regina. A zombie army, though, goes a long way toward giving Cora distinction, in more ways than one. So yeah, hopefully she'll be using her army for the rest of the season..

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