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Once Upon a Time "Lacey" Review: The Lacey Is a Tramp!

Once Upon a Time S02E19: "Lacey"


"Lacey" was so weird, even for Once Upon a Time, which is arguably the weirdest TV show any network has every risked its time on, and I say that as the highest of compliments. It was just a kooky, questionable, off-beat episode that reaffirmed OUAT’s dedication to its fans, in the sense that any first-time viewer would have collapsed from an aneurysm three minutes in.  It also showed us that OUAT has picked up a trick from Revenge: cooking up intriguing promo footage that is later revealed to be moments from dream sequences. (Prayer circle that Regina-with-electrodes is just a bad nightmare.)


ABC's publicity department put out those scenes of Henry’s birthday party like it was the centerpiece of the episode, because they know how to eff with us and they love to. It's a real shame that was only a dream, because it gave me so many things I’d been craving: all the Charmings and Golds in one room, blue frosting, a life-size porcelain figure of a confused child, and Henry getting smashed to itty, bitty pieces. If you didn’t cheer when Mr. Gold smashed figurine Henry, then I don’t know what show you’re watching. It was cathartic.

But phew! It was just Gold dreaming, as we all do, of killing a child actor. Gold was alarmed that he was returning to his dark side, and there was only one person to snap him out of all that: a highly drugged amnesiac who thought he was dead.

I’m glad he finally cleared things up with Belle that he hadn’t died. She looked sort of relieved? Maybe it was the lithium talking, but Belle seemed to have a positive feeling about this relative stranger who was completely obsessed with her, so she was cool with him checking her out of the hospital and taking her to presumably a house, but also maybe, like, a drainage ditch in the woods.

However, Regina, because she is the best character ever, decided to implant a fake memory of being a white-wine-guzzling bar skank into Belle’s head, turning her into Lacey, a woman who wears SLEEVELESS DRESSES like a total hoyden and spends TIME IN BARS like a raving addict. (For a primetime family channel, Lacey was racy! Ya dig?!)

Instead of getting down on his knees and thanking the Lord for the spice injected into his woman’s style, Gold had the nerve to complain to Regina, who, apparently, is still Mayor?

The people of Storybrooke must've been like, “Look, we know you wiped all our memories and banished us to an alternate universe where we lived suspended in a period of existential numbness that slowly crushed our souls. But also, you run a well-organized town with some great yearly events and reasonable tax rates. Please continue.”

Still, it was dead wrong for Regina to zzzzzzzzzzz. Hahaha, JK, Regina can do no wrong.  I don’t care if Regina breaks into Mr. Gold’s house, pours bleach on his jeans, and then burns his car to ashes. I’m Team Regina, period, if only because she reliably has the sassiest snaps in Storybrooke and is apparently the only person with anything resembling a sense of humor. No wonder she got so antsy in Fairy Tale Land. People couldn’t keep up!

It was also nice to finally see the bench scene between Emma and Regina, although the show broke hearts all over Tumblr by refusing to frame them in a two-shot. Although they were bantering like a long-term couple, the way Regina was all, “I know you’re hiding something from me… that’s not it. You’re keeping a secret from me,” and Emma called her out for constantly scheming against everyone, which was sort of a rose-colored-glasses way to describe how Regina actively tries to destroy people’s lives. It was sort of a Sam-and-Diane moment—they ‘hate’ each other so much they know each other better than anyone else. As woefully short of both actresses in one frame as the bench scene was, it was nice they finally touched base after 12 episodes or so apart.

Although I think Regina should have raked Emma over hot coals a little more for her taste in guys. The character Bae is sort of the worst, something that was evident immediately from his taste in accessories. Although Emma is standing in a glass house on that one, anyway. WTF was this hat?

Like, a cloche hat? And Snow had a MATCHING one?! They were both Snow’s, weren’t they? Snow was like, “You’re going to catch cold without a hat. It’s slightly drizzling out. Let’s keep those extensions fresh.” And then forced that hat on Emma, right? Like, in what world would Emma buy something like this?

Snow and Charming brought Emma out to a field of some seriously tiny little beanstalks. I was sort of imagining they would climb the stalks into the sky, but much more reasonably, they intend to just chuck the beans into the sea (sucks to be you, fishing ships in the Maine area) or maybe top hats or whatever (sucks to be you, Abraham Lincoln impersonators in the Maine area). I figured that out immediately, but 15 minutes into a conversation, after actually handling the beans, it FINALLY occurred to Emma that WAIT… wait a minute… you want to go HOME?! Hold on… hold on… these magic beans are to go BACK?!!?" Sigh, yes, Emma, yes, thank you for needing a team of people to explain to you a concept Regina sussed out in thirty seconds by tracking a car back to a cloaked field of invisible beanstalks.

Like… Team Cobra’s next mission should be analyzing that white paint on the inside of Snow’s exposed-brick apartment and determining whether it's made up of pure lead.

Fashion critiques aside, the point of last night’s episode was to show Mr. Gold’s only real reason to stay good (a.k.a., not kill Henry) was to win back the good opinion of Belle (a point re-enforced by a trip back to Belle’s early days of captivity, when she was still putting on a damn ballgown and hot-curling her updo to scrub floors.)

Belle talked Rumplestiltskin out of skinning Robin Hood alive, a pretty horrible thing to insinuate on a family show, and even more disturbing since he was putting on an apron to do the butchering himself when the episode featured him cutting the tongue out of a man’s throat twice by magic. So the fact that he was all into skinning some guy the old-fashioned way was sort of gross.

And he gave Belle a pillow to muffle her sobs because they were DISTURBING HIS SPINNING. And he SANK her halfway in the ground so she’d watch Robin Hood be killed without interfering. This whole relationship is Stockholm Syndrome, I’m sorry. I appreciate that Belle is a loving person who saw the good in him, but perhaps she’d also see good in a person who is decent and caring 365 days a year, without brief periods of being a man-skinning psychopath?

Anyway, thanks to Regina’s dose of female empowerment tinged with sadomasochism, now Belle is so altered that she gets turned on by seeing a guy get brutally beaten in an alleyway—the same guy who had his tongue down her throat moments before, right next to the dumpsters. (I’m sorry but making out with a guy while on a date with a different one, by the dumpsters, is my favorite thing a Disney Princess has ever done.) Also she NO LONGER LIKES BURGERS!!!! Sinister.

Initially I was a little concerned that Lacey was going to be vaguely trampy and trashy and that would be the heartbreak for Mr. Gold, but it was actually quite sincerely sinister to watch Lacey do an “O” face and be really into seeing some guy get whacked repeatedly with a cane. Mr. Gold’s goal is to get Belle to fall in love with him, and her new turn-on is cruelty and violence. That’s a pretty edgy dynamic to bring into the show, and I appreciate the potential for good story it could create. Of course, with that said, how many times have we seen potential storylines ignored or left to float into space? Are Mulan and Aurora still alive? No one knows.

Speaking of good storylines, here’s a bad one: magic-chasing Ethan Embry and Tamara were really patting themselves on the back for a package they were bringing into Storybrooke, and was it “stable,” and a bunch of other cheap dialogue tricks to avoid using a male pronoun. But no, they didn’t have a magic-sucking MacGuffin: With only a few episodes left, it seems these real-world baddies’ only job in this season’s arc is to be a Hook delivery service, which I don’t mind. Get Hook into this sauce! Let’s throw some beans in the sea and get on a ship, we all know it’s coming. I’m on board!

QUESTIONS:

… Lacey: like or dislike, and will we see her next episode, or will they bury her in their Good Character Graveyard beside Aurora, Mulan, Graham and Adult August?

… Did you smile when Mr. Gold killed Henry on his birthday in the cold open?

… Robin Hood: cheap promo gimmick or fun reference?

… What will Regina do to those damn beans?

… How in any way shape or form could David “Player” Charming help anyone, let alone help someone pick up chicks?!

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I really liked this episode. Belle needs more screen time. Loved her in the flashbacks. Lacey made me laugh. Getting turned on by watching Gold beat the crap out of a guy?
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Apparently I can't stand any form of Belle, beit the ridiculous pansy Belle or alter-ego uber slut Lacey. To be honest, I've never seen any other shows that Emilie de Ravin has been in but by god, she annoys the eff out of me. Please someone kill her off. She's ruined my favorite Disney Princess.

Well I'm glad they cleared up who got Hook out of the closet! Since they stole his ship, I was wondering what he'd have to do to get back to Storybrooke.

Yay for matching mommy and me hats LOL
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-Both. It honestly took me the first forty minutes of the episode to stop gritting my teeth over the continuity issue. I should be used to this, I know. I watch TVD every week for the love of all things undignified, but it bothered me so hard. First they mentioned that Regina implanted these false memories into Belle's head. Then, then, the kicker, was they implied that Belle was merely returning to her SB alter ego. Umm, you guys, Belle was an amnesiac locked away in a psych ward with no memories and most likely a hospital band that said Patient #: 4815162342 ;) Like, seriously, Lacey who?! But that aside, it was fun watching Lacey stroll about like a risque strumpet circa 1950's. She needed a Pink Ladies jacket. For realsies. It gave Belle something to do other than be...Belle. So I could dig it. I also think it gave us something terrifying and yet interesting with the whole her being into the sadistic stuff and what not. I mean...it creeped me out when she got turned on that Rumple was beating the hell out of a dude in an alley. I can safely say that display of violence only turns me on when I'm watching dapper supernatural creatures rip out hearts, or anti-hero vigilantes bust bad guys in the knee cap. But yup..Belle and Rumple...it doesn't get anymore Stockholm Syndrome than that. There is no overlooking it for the sake of story either. I can't even get wrapped up in it. It's not subtle enough for me to not see it as anything other than disturbing. If not for the fact that Robert C. is incredible I'd be a special kind of appalled.
-I don't hate Henry like the masses so no.
-Well Helllloooo Robin Hood. He was easy on the eyes, that's for sure. I suppose they needed to keep their hot guy quota now that August is out making mud pies and building castles in the sandbox. It was gimmicky because...what was the real purpose unless he plays a bigger role in the last few episodes? But he was nice to look at, so whatever. Although a bit too cocky for me.
-I don't know. I never thought I'd say this, but sometimes I regret the whole magic coming to SB thing. Sometimes they use it too much as a crutch and helpful plot device and I hate that. How are we ever supposed to feel like there are high stakes when all the bad guys can wield magic like bosses without batting an eye? It just makes things a bit too easy. But I do look forward to seeing what Regina does next, because Regina is just so damn interesting all the freaking too. Credit mainly to Lana Parilla. Goddess.
- David Charming as a wing man. I spewed my beverage, gurgled, choked, and then had my puppy give me the Heimlich maneuver. It was that ridiculous. Entertaining, nonetheless. I don't know how it's possible that Charming was so great and David was so sucky, and now they have their memories back and we have a hybrid of Charming and David. I mean they keep telling us that David is full blown Charming now but all I'm getting is David. I didn't much care for David after a while. I did like Charming. Now I'm seeing all David, all the time. Charming who? Impostor!!! At this point, I almost wish the ghost of Charming's jackass brother would possess him so he could be a bit more interesting and awesome. Just for kicks and giggles.
-Are we supposed to fear Hook? Is he supposed to offer us anything other than a great view of his bum in this tight leather pants, cheeky/snarky comments, and a blinding envy that his eyeliner looks better than most chicks'? Are we? Again, he's pretty to look at. he can be quite hilarious when he isn't horribly indecent and inappropriate...but how is he going to help things? I don't get diabolical or badass from him at all. He's the guy that slaps women around and grandstands with a sword. I just don't feel it. So what Tamara and Ethan have planned for him...I don't even know. Plus, I'm still not creeped out by them as a couple. I don't know why. It just makes me shudder. They are not a sexy Bonnie and Clyde type. Also, while I'm at Michael Raymond James is being wasted. It's a travesty! A travesty!
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URGH!! Anything to do with the relationship between Belle and Mr Gold leaves me completely grossed out. I just can't watch any of their scenes without grimacing.
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I really liked her. I am fond of goody goodies going bad, even for a bit, before realizing their true self. She'll be buried and then re-dug up and shown that she loves Gold or some other nonsense. Seriously though, where the hell are Aurora and Mulan?

I was so excited when that happened, that even during my tiredness, I got excited and almost leaped for joy. I like how Mr. Gold was all serious, but when he's Rumpel, he's like a really bad comedian. Why is that?

It was a cheap fun promo reference. It was just another hot bearded man to let us drool over for one episode and then to disappear to never be seen again for some odd reason. What a run-on sentence there.

I think Regina will eat them and grow. No, she'll do what all evil people do, wait and bide their time and when it's right, either do something stupid like burn them all or do something great and get back to the Fairyland area first in full Donkey Kong/Mario mode.

Listen, I have no idea besides his lushes pink lips. I swear he wears some sort of lip gloss or he has just great lips. That is the only way.
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My answers:

1. I don't like Lacey - I LOOOOVE Lacey! And I demand "GoldLace" to be made the official name for our beloved couple Mr. Gold + Lacey.

2. For just one second I really thought that this was the best day of my life! But then Mr. Gold woke up...and it was all over, before I could even scream "YES!"

3. Robin Hood was indeed a very cheap gimmick and the Sheriff of Nottingham was a harmless douchebag. Where the Hell is Alan Rickman when you need him??

4. Probably she'll make a damn good bean salad, no?

5. It is a fantasy series, after all... ;o)

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GoldLace- I like that! and so would they... (Imagines outfits to match name)
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I wondered how Hook would get back to Storybrooke, it's not like he knows how to drive a car or anything. Also, since the beans are a huge secret maybe think about putting a little more than basic hiding spells on them. Regina could see through that no problem. Good point about Regina still being mayor. I just assumed that everyone has been so busy with everything else that they haven't been thinking too much about their actual local town stuff. The Lacey/Belle and Mr. Gold storyline will be interesting to watch these next couple of episodes though.
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I figured it was a dream, so I couldn't enjoy it like everyone else. Plus I figured Gold would be dead before Henry's shards even hit the ground with dark hearted Snow on the scene.
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omg you're so right this is GENIOUS. Seriously, best recap ever. From Lacey's slut Disney Princess instints to Emma's hat. I applaude you.
Also, YES. I may have laughed when Gold killed Henry in the dream sequence.
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Hah! I like the we're gonna get so high pic. Awesome. Tnx for this review it really made my day. (and yes, I did smile like a maniac when Gould killed Henry)
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I really don't get the whole "amnesiacs should be terrified of the people they don't remember" thing that seemed to be going on with OUAT and Grimm. If you're suffering from amnesia and you don't remember people, that's to be expected, so why would you think it's their fault you don't remember them? Oh well... I guess a calm and rational amnesiac is too much to ask. Where are you, Jason Bourne? lol
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1. Like but weird. And if they bury that as well I'll be mad. Still trying to get over the August thing
2. Smile? More like had a heart attack
3. I kinda liked it
4. I smell bean strudel (?) (lol)
5. Strange then again very weird that Mr. Gold needs help with that in the first place
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Can't stand Lacey. Can barely stand any of the characters anymore. To be honest the only characters I liked were adult August (ruined that) and Hook because he is super hot.
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And that's why I'm glad Hook's back; I need me some hot, pirate eye candy!
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you LIKED August? He's the worst!
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He was one of the few morally conflicted characters who still had a sense of mystery about him. I felt like he still knew things the audience wanted to know (where did the book come from? how did he know who Neal was? where else does magic exist in our world? how do you pronounce Phuket without laughing like an adolescent?).

And it was such an unsatisfactory way to remove him from the story. I wanted to see the same kind of reconciliation between him and Gepetto as we did between Bae and Gold. Instead, he just reset to childhood and all of that information and emotion is gone. I always felt like when he was in an episode, something interesting or mysterious was going to happen. Now that tension is missing, you know? With the exception of Rumpel, all the other characters act so predictably. It's hard to get excited about that.
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Ironically yes, August was sort of the only grown up. He'd actually experienced the real world and lived a conscious, non-Storybrooke, non-fake memory life. Now he's back on the playground, offscreen, wearing a dumb hat.
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well Bae did as well. He turned out a thief too so I'm guessing Fairytalers aren't good at Earth-life.
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Just so. All those years of experience and maturation gone in a puff of ill considered story-boarding. Figuratively murdering the character.
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Lily, you really out did yourself with this review. I haven't laughed that hard in a while, probably because you spoke my mind the whole through. This show has gone off the deep and Regina is the only reason I keep coming back. That fact that she never dissapoints is the shows only asset.
I'm glad "Belle" is Lacey now. I actually kind of liked it. Because now I can stop being mad at what this show did to my favorite Disney couple and start enjoying Lacey and Gold for their crazy psychopath ways.
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Okay, so I was a slacking yesterday and didn't end up posting my thoughts.

As a filler/lead-in-to-"action" episode, it wasn't bad at all. There have certainly been worse episodes.

I like Lacey because of the situation she creates. She becomes, as I saw on another site and cannot think of a better way to term it, the girlfriend Gold NEEDS versus the girlfriend he wants. Bottom line, people are gonna try and take away the magic and we need some badass Rumple not wimpy, trying to be on his best behavior Mr. Gold. This creates the nice tension that would happen if Belle DOES get back her memories. Will she still be in love with him or will be just realize that she needs to move on and find someone less violent?

I did gleefully giggle a little bit when Gold smashed Henry. Although he's much less annoying when he's just running around with a wooden sword and sleeping cause he wore himself out. You know, LIKE A REGULAR KID. Not this manipulative annoying kid he usually is trying to be.

I find the Robin Hood tie-in fits a lot better than the Frankenstein tie-in did if only because Disney turned Robin Hood into a movie with talking animals. And by Disney logic, talking animals = fairy tale. At least that was what my childhood led me to believe.

I'm not gonna come up with some about Regina and the beans, because I don't even care at the moment......

Can you imagine if David and Gold started some Hitch operation? That would be comedy gold right there. In fact, screw the Wonderland spin-off and do that instead.......
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I want some more Red Whale.


Maybe they were off getting their freak on somewhere.
:)
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Please, no more Whale. The black-and-white realm rubbish is the worst part of OUAT.
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I don't mind that realm; I just mean that I would like to see Ruby and Whale in the real world, if only for a moment. I immaturely ship them.
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1. Belle - my obsession reached new level. Not only I love her - I'm now officially jealous of her gorgeous hair. More Belle-centric episodes please!

2. Emma and Snow hats - ok it was Crime Against Fashion - but still it was very cute. Like mother like daughter!

3. The bean field - we all know they're growing weed. However, they have to call it "bean" cause it's ABC.

4. Robin "Yummy" Hood - WHY WAS HE ONLY GUEST STAR??!!! Come on, writers!

5. Henry - they finally killed him. Too bad it was just a dream sequence.

6. WHERE IS RED?! - not even a glimpse of Meghan Ory in this episodes? BASTARDS!!!

7. Rumple - quoting Loreena McKennitt: "You shine where you stand". Every scene with Robert Carlyle is a delight. He and Ciarán Hinds who plays Mance in GoT are my two favorite mature men. Sigh.

8. Hook - I thought his arc was ended. I'm disappointed.

Questions:

1. Lacey - she reminds me of girl I knew in high school. We weren't friends to say the least... However, I'm interested to see what sort of menace Evil Bella will bring.

2. I smiled and cheered.

3. Good idea - I hope Robin and Marian will return to OUAT

4. Easy - Smoke them!

5. Rumple is desperated. Besides, Charming did pick up Snow - the Lord only knows how - but the fact remains.

Thanks for a very fun review, Lily! Till the next episode!
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Have to agree with you here on Robin Hood, since the character is so well-known and liked I was kind of disappointed that they revealed him so undramatically in a filler episode like this. I would have much preferred they did a longer story arc (because let's face it, there's a whole lot of Robin Hood stories to build on) starting with for example, this episode ending with Rumplestiltskin in FTL nearly capturing the thief just to see him escape, and furiously shouting "Who is that thief?!" and some villager would reply "they call him Robin.....Robin Hood."
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"they call him Robin.....Robin Hood." - that would be awesome!
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I'll admit to being a sucker for the Robin Hood mythos, but I think it would fit nicely. Even more so would be a more subtle hint, like Rumplestiltskin watching the thief who narrowly making his escape, and then asking the other men chasing him who they might be? " I am Guy of Gisbourne. And I am the Sheriff of Nottingham." Leaving us viewers with "Wait, what? That means that guy was....Robin Hood!"
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OUAT writers-- they do subtle?
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yes i did smile :))))
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I like Lacey. I hope she sticks around for a while. Maybe she and Mr. Gold can be evil together until she gets her memories back. And I did smile when Henry was shattered by Gold, that would have been awesome. I still think they need to ship him off to boarding school or something. And as for Tamara and Ethan I started to like them a little bit more this episode although I prefer Cora as the bad evil. I did think they were bringing some other package besides Hook.Also we better get an explanation of who that red dragon Tamara killed with a stupid taser was and how he had magic. But more importantly where the hell is my Mulan and Aurora.
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I felt the Lacey storyline was ridiculous! I think i just keep watching OUAT because of you reviews! I laugh so hard reading them!
When Gold killed Henry I was like:"Now this is getting interesting". it could have saved the show for me!!!
As for Robin Hood, I barelly noticed he was in the episode. For me he was just a guy who stole from Rumple! (stupid story!!!)
The best Regina could do with the beans was to make a giant pan of bean soup and serve it in the next storybroke party! haha
Charming is just annoying! Can't stand him and Snow! Team Regina!!! She's the only consintant character in my opinion!
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Oh dear lord, YES the bean soup thing needs to happen! I spit out coffee when I read your post. Blahaha!
Bean dip, bean enchiladas, chili.....The sky's the limit because they planted 8 billion of the freaking things.
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seems like there won't be any bean party after all! ahah
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While I miss Belle and want her to come back, it is fun watching Emilie playing Lacey.

I still want Belle back at some point, but it's fun watching Emilie play "the bad girl" and act overtly s*xy.

Plus, I'm sure she's having fun playing the dual roles. She gets to stretch her acting chops.
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I did love the cold open becasue I also think Henry is annoying and don't understand why the Charming's and Regina are always fighting over him...he's a whiny, meddling, manipulative little boy with the fashion sense of a 60 year old man...what's all the fuss about, eh? Robin Hood was way-underused in this episode, even though the promos I've been watching for 3 weeks made it look like they'd be introducing a major new character, Tom Ellis got like 5 lines? Then again, they made a big to-do about Mulan and Aurora for the first half of the season and those two have been MIA for the past 5 months. And what's up with Rumple coming out with a butcher's apron covered in blood from torturing Robin Hood, yet Robin Hood was completely dressed, the blood from HIS ONLY WOULD came from the tiny slit on his throat which barley trickled down to his neckline, and the dungeon he was strung up in was spotless,not a spec of blood on his clothes or the floor. Hey Props Dept, where'd all the "Dexter-like" blood come from? And why doesn't the Blue Fairy make an enchantment that is actually helpful and works for once in her stupid hooker-heel wearing life!? Why not protect the bean's with more than just an invisibility wall, but one that also doesn't permit evil to get through? All of the "heroes" on this show are always bemoaning about how evil always defeats good because evil has no problem going to extremes, but really it's the heroes being too dumb that it's a rather easy no-brainer for evil to be like 38 steps ahead of the heroes, effortlessly, at all times. I tend to want to cheer for the heroes in stories, but OUaT makes it so hard for me to logically rationalize cheering for a bunch of dumb-dumbs. Go Regina!
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I figured that Robin's back was ruined- but a few splatters of gore on walls or floor would have confirmed that. Plus, it would have given Belle something to clean!

I think Blue is leaving the convent and moving in with Marco- that would make the August reset (almost) tolerable...

Who's betting that Hook decides to make a play for Lacey, stealing Rumple's true love? I think that would be a great love triangle.
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I don't know where it came from, but I got the idea that Rumple was kind of cutting Robin open and then healing the wounds. I thought it looked like his chest had been opened and then closed again. Much more horrific, or maybe I was just reading too much into it because of the bloody apron?
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well they care for him cause he is the son and grandson. Hopefully they write his character off. I vote ship him off to boarding school or just not mention him or show him at all and we'll forget all about him.
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Yeah I vote that the Blue Fairy gets demoted. Surely there is a more competent fairy to be "Mother Superior".
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In Belle's defense of being smacked around (and I'm not lovey-dovey)...

We saw from prior flashbacks that Belle saw the occasional good person and feels that it's the CURSE that's making him act like that. Which is different from, say, some girl that accepts the fact that her boyfriend beats her up or can change him.

She can coax out the good, which we learned she almost succeeded at some months/years after this week's flashback (his curse was breaking until he got paranoid).

In a world of magic, it's not THAT insane for a good person to want to risk their all to help someone. After all, if she helps him it ultimately helps EVERYONE in the kingdom.

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Also to add: ultimately this IS the story of "Beauty and the Beast."

Beast gets Belle as a slave, treats Belle like crud, and she stuck around (at first) because of her oath. The Disney version white-washed it and even THAT was still a little dark. Eventually started to show his true inner self (which was nice) and that it was only because of his curse that he was acting like a d*ck.

Of course... even the "Beauty and the Beast" story in its pure form is kind of dangerous for girls. Since the world of magic and curses doesn't really translate to real life. If a guy is a jerk then walk away. And if he ever abuses you, RUN away.
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Wow. I don't think it's on purpose that they've made Rumbelle this creepy and abusive, right?
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Lacey storyline was horribly predictable - who didn't see that she was gonna like Gold's dark side instead of his good side?! As for RobinHood, why wasnt he skinned at all (only barely scratched) when Rumple came out to change his bloody clothes? That was too funny.
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Funny how no one mentioned the Don Juan reference
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The premise that Don Juan owed it all to a magic goblin just irritated me. Doesn't fit his story at all. How can they reconcile his redemption? A bad throw away by the writers there.
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They are taking it too far with mixing all kinds of stories with fairy tales!
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Lily, your reviews are seriously just the best things ever. I completely agree with everything, and I love that you understand and acknowledge Swan Queen. We need more journalists like you!
I'm guessing that Regina is going to burn the 'beans' (who are we kidding, she's going to smoke it, isn't she?) or something to that degree as we know that they take a boat to portal jump at the end of this season, but not before the two terrible villians (not in a good way) take one for themselves to kidnap Henry.
idk with this show anymore, when I try to theorise my head hurts :')
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I was so disappointed Henry was at list frozen so we can have some peace and quiet for awhile.I do hope belle get back to her former self because I think she the only "Good' interesting character now that they reboot August
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We knew Lacey would be bad because you could almost see her butt in her dress. A woman's alignment is determined by her hemline.

Also, I mostly like Henry and Regina should be burned alive in her fancy house.
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"A woman's alignment is determined by her hemline." LOL- but not entirely untrue, at least for this show. Notice that neither Emma or Snow ever seem to wear skirts at all. (No embarrassing wardrobe malfunctions while adventuring)

I think "Lacey" went to the Rabbit Hole so we could meet all the minor villains and lowlife-types who most likely would rather stay in Storybrooke (where booze is cheap!) than go back to their dreary lives in FTL. I mean, why would Sneezy want to go anywhere they don't have antihistamines?
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I'm calling it now, Season 3 a very special episode featuring Paul Bunyan.
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this episode was a good one. Robin Hood was a let down though. Loving Lacey, knew she would be attracted to Gold's dark side..because hey, symmetry in writing. The beginning dream sequence was a good way to SYKE out the viewers, and the end was the boost that this rocky ass season needed. Lets kick this thing into gear, and get on with it. I want a new season.

Did anyone else see the Genie's magic lamp in Gold's room? Hoping that's a foreshadow for Aladdin and Jasmine in Season 3
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I can definitely say that I was one of those psyched out viewers! I did think it was weird how chummy Rumple was being with Henry but it still shocked the shivers out of me when he shattered him into oblivion.

I would love an Aladdin and Jasmine appearance! Although, as my favorite Disney princess, I hope Ariel shows up first!
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I thought that was the empty lamp left-over for Sydney, the mirror guy? Not that Aladdin can't still show up, but I get the feeling if Robin Hood doesn't get a bigger role than this, Aladdin won't.
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Bring back Sidney and the local newspaper!
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Yes! Why has no one checked on these people?!? When they all make their bean portals back to FTL is there going to be a basement full of imprisoned fairytale characters stuck in our world until they slowly starve to death?
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I see what they did there. In order for Gold to retrieve True Love's Kiss from Lacey/Belle he would need to embrace her new side of cruelty and darkness. But, by doing so he has to make her believe he isn't acting...and when he DOES kiss her...she will remember ALL the bad things he has done (just like how Snow remembered sleeping with Frankenstein and being confused about Emma's and her's relationship). When that happens...she will flip her shit out. Cause not only would she be angry...HE would probably have embraced his dark side a bit to long, and bringing out the Dark One again.
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I know! What an ironic twist this storyline arc presents! Can't wait to watch it play out.
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As much as I'd love to get in on the conversation about Lacey or Robin Hood...am I the only one slightly concerned with the fact that Rumple was, and may very well still be, in possession of Mjolnir?
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What? Seriously? Oh God, even OUAT can't be crazy enough to bring in Thor and the Avengers right? Because that would just be straight up ridiculous.

Although, compared with some of the other wackiness this show has adopted, I wouldn't be surprised.
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Well, Disney DOES own Marvel now, soooo.....
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1. Mmmhh like... no... Dislike...! It was a cheap to make Lacey say all Belle's phrases but in the opposite sense. Actually I don't know why I don't like Lacey, maybe is because I don't really like Belle? I like that character when we didn't see her a lot, they should have keep her as a guest star, but now they have her as a regular, and they don't know what to do with her. I'm confused about this.
2. I smiled BUT I don't want him dead, even when is annoying to see him manipulating everyone, I kind of like him, but someone has to make him stop.
3. Cheap!! I love Robin Hood so I was expecting a better story for him, and we got more of the Sheriff than from him!
4. She's gonna take them all when the beans are ready... I loved the magic trick to find her way to the crops, cooler than a GPS!
5. Jajajaja I'm not going to answer this because I love Charming!
For me it wasn't a good episode, it was kind of a filler if you ask me, and a bad one.
The good thing is that Hook is back!
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Oh, and the questions:

1. I love Lacey. Through her, we're seeing every side to Belle (conscious and subconscious). The way that Lacey still loves Rumple is a powerful example of how if someone loves you, he or she will love you no matter what (or whatever form either of you may be in).

2. No. Unlike most little kids who I find utterly annoying (e.g. that annoying kid in Stephen King's "Desperation"), I've grown quite fond of Henry. He's really the only rational and sensible person in Storybrook. The whole town's loopy, irresponsible and twisted except for him. He even manages to whine sometimes and it's believable and not your average "typical annoying kid who whines all the time." Jared Gilmore is a great actor already, and he has a very bright future ahead of him in the entertainment industry.

3. I find Robin Hood to be a perfect fit for Once Upon A Time. His minor story arc was believable, and I'm looking forward to seeing him again in future episodes.

4. She will burn them. There's a slight chance she'll save one for herself, but seeing as to how she wants to have power, ensure that Snow's heart becomes dark, and that any possible path back to Fairy Tale Land would spell doom on all these things, it's very unlikely that she will do anything but destroy the entire garden.

5. Rumple thought he needed David, and David did help Rumple talk to Lacey. Thus, David helped Rumple as Rumple asked him to do, and Lacey is now attracted to Mr. Gold. In regards to helping Rumple, David's work is done.

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I agree that in the beginning, Henry was the most sensible character in Storybrooke. I liked him. He was level headed and smart. I don't like what he's turning into.

He started to get whiney pull on the heart-strings of both his mothers by strategically choosing when to call one mom and show her affection. I don't mean he was confused about the situation, but just the way he was going about it was almost sociopathic. Acting stand-off-ish to parent A one moment, and literally a minute later acting emotional and calling them mom to get what he wants, and literally the next moment ignoring said parent more than before to run to the other parent. Very manipulative.

Meanwhile the whole "anger over lying" thing was anything but rational. At the time she lied, Emma thought that Henry was having emotional problems and couldn't distinguish fantasy from reality. So maybe telling him "Your dad was a thief that sold me out to the cops so he could get away, and that's why you're a prison baby" would do more damage than good.

Ignoring that though, it's not "rational" or "sensible" for his reactions to said lie. Comparing Emma to a woman that ruled with an iron first / killed / and cursed an entire world... because she lied. Yeh. That's the kind of story you tell your kid later in life, if ever. He went 13 years (or whatever) without knowing his father, believing in a lie for 6 more isn't the worst thing ever.

I don't blame the actor, he's just following the script.
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You have to remember that he's still only 10 or so age-wise and in maturity. Seeing what Henry has gone through so young, you can hardly blame him for jumping to conclusions we'd consider "irrational" or nonsensical, since he is so young. He's not totally irrational by any means, and there are some kids out there who don't have the same kind of emotional and/or family issues as Henry. He's still just a kid. Also, you have to remember that Regina didn't exactly care for Henry as Emma did once they were re-united. Regina was set on making sure nobody believed Henry and that people thought he had serious issues, instead of nurturing his creativity and imagination. Henry being manipulative should come as no surprise, as his mother for most of his life was Regina. While I'm sure Regina does care for Henry, her heart was in the wrong place, and thus there was a stronger connection to Emma. Henry may not be the most sensible character as I had said before, but I now see that he is no less complex as the other characters. I don't think Henry is purposely trying to be manipulative, but a bit of Regina's personality is rubbing off on him, and in a way, he is just as unsure about what to do as the other characters.
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Henry pretty much put the pieces together when Bael and Rumple were talking at Bael's apartment. Regina already uncovered some of Emma's past in season 1.
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1.- Lacey is just freaking awesome, the writers won´t forget her, she´s a regular cast xD

2.- Yes!!! Cheers!!!! Henry is such a manipulator, come on, yes Emma is you biological mother, yes you can know her, but Regina was with him since day one! but also if Emma just hides something, he goes straight with the next adult. I really don´t like him.

3.- Robin Hood??? he didn´t even had a plot, in a way is ok, because he was an accesory for the Belle/Rumple dynamic, but in the promos announced him as the next awesome character, it was bland and not congruent, if he doesn´t appear anymore, I really don´t care, as always as Regina is there, I don´t care anything else xD #EvilRegal

4.- I don´t know, probably follow them if they go, or plot with Rumple, I hope is something awesomely dark and selfish xD

5.- David is just plain stupid, I guess because he wasn´t doing anything worthy the writer just place him in this plot. LOL
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If your mother was Regina, you'd most likely become manipulative to some extent. Under Regina's rule, he's more or less been living a lie, pretending to be another kid when he's the only one (to his knowledge) who knows the truth about who he is, and where he's from. He's desperate for a strong family where he doesn't have to lie or get betrayed. He's just looking for a close family. He loves Regina, but also loves Emma. He loves Regina as his mother, but he knows that she's struggling to do the right thing. He loves Emma, but he feels betrayed by her not telling him the truth, when he thought she was a beacon of truth and hope.
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Gosh, I don't like Regina.
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I CAN'T GET OVER IT, NOW THAT GOLD AND LACEY ARE EVIL, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE LOTS AND LOTS OF SEX.
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Sorry I didn't read this one before I read your last one. But I'll say it again. Lacey + Gold, making out, open mouth, heavy petting, thigh touching, PG13, bowchickabowwow, PLLLLEASE! Actually, I don't even care if it's Lacey. Let Robert do this with any character on the show.
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I believe it will involve a lot of S&M.
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1. Well... yes. I love Belle more and flew out of the room when Lacey was macking on the sheriff of Nottingham, but Lacey was interesting, and it was adorable when Gold was trying to get her to love him. Then when he was beating the guy to a bloody pulp and she was standing over there like a sadistic hooker, I found it interesting. Like, she's a gold digger and she's probably gonna have sex with him all the time. SEX. MMM.

2. Eh. I ignore Henry.

3. Fun. I just watched Russel Crowe play Robin Hood in the movie again, so I'm feeling a little Robin Hood-ey.

4. Blah. I don't really dislike Regina, but I don't like her either. I think her character gets boring after a while, and with everybody on this cite shipping Swan Queen when I don't it begins to feel a little awkward in a scene together because I don't feel their chemistry. It's weird, but mostly because I don't have any real interest in her character anymore.

5. With that smile and those rosy cheeks? How is he NOT a player? However, while I understand why Gold went to him (seeing the situation), Charming was obviously not the best choice. Charming and M & M were still relatively good people when their memories were switched, and Gold and "Lacey" aren't. He's a murderer and she's a hooker-lady. Charming's advice is probably void.
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Ooooohhhh what if there are lots of sexy-time scenes with Carlyle now?!?! You know what, suddenly Lacey isn't so bad. Keep her around. (I mean if a family show can show us the blood of a man about to be skinned alive on a meat apron, they can show us some heavy petting, no?)
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Haha "gold digger"! Pun intended? Either way, my lame sense of humour found that hilarious! :D
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Although I do look forward to when Belle gets her memory back, Lacey will be an interesting and fun to watch substitute. As you said, she does come across as a sadistic hooker and, coming from Belle, that's ironically awesome.

Yeah Rumple was so cute on their little date and when Belle hugged him in the FTL flashback? Aw, adorable! Also creepy because, Stockholm Syndrome, but I choose to ignore that.
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On the Stockholm Syndrome thing, Gold is obviously gonna get Belle/Lacey to fall in love with him again, which will prove that their love isn't just derived from some twisted "syndrome." If it happens in the real world, then their love is real. (Even though I chose to believe it was real before :D)
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GOLD review, thanks Lily
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1. I'm conflicted about whether or not I like/dislike Lacey. On the one hand, I agree with you that this version of Belle is much more self-assured, capable, and confident when it comes to knowing and getting what she wants. It is also true that the "real" Belle fell in love with a man who would have literally skinned a man alive if she hadn't stopped him. And it doesn't matter that, in the end, she was able to stop him from doing a bunch of bad things, since not doing one bad thing doesn't redeem you for going through with a lifetime of terrible things. However, I also like the usual Belle/Rumple relationship, overlooking the fact that the only reason he doesn't do terrible things is so that she won't be upset with him. I think they play well together, and if it does make Rumple a better person, then it's all the better.

The other issue about "Lacey" is that she is a fake version of Belle, just like David (the fake David, not the real David that he is...yeah) wasn't the real Charming, and Mary Margaret wasn't the real Snow. While their memories and personalities seem very real, they were created by a curse. So arguably the best thing would be for Belle to get her real memories back. And hopefully, like David said in "We are both" (it's not only the episode title, but also what he said), she will also retain her fake memories of Lacey, and be both Belle and Lacey. This might be a way to have the best of both worlds, as she will be the good old Belle (you know, the one who doesn't feel pleasure from watching a man be caned continuously over and over again) but still retain some of that confidence, ability, and personality that Lacey has in abundance. So in my opinion, this would be the best possible outcome, because otherwise we have Belle basically becoming Harley Quinn, which actually wouldn't be that bad. Regardless, I imagine Lacey will be sticking around for at least two more episodes.

2. No, because by then I knew it was a dream. I also don't actually want Henry to die, since most of the time he's one of the smartest people in that town. He should actually be Sheriff. It's just that he has those moments when he blames Emma for telling him one lie, and then says she's just like a woman who ripped out hundreds of still-beating hearts from her subjects. But no, he's pretty far down on the list of people I'd like to see die. Even though she technically hasn't done anything that bad, Granny is much higher up on that list.

3. The whole Robin Hood tie-in is only lame if we never see any of those people again. If that world does get its own episode, then this will have been a nice way of bridging two of the many fairy-tales in FTL. But if the writers end up doing the stupid thing, and we don't get anymore flashbacks from Sherwood Forest, this will have been an extremely lame tie-in.

4. My guess is that she'll end up taking some of the beans for herself, before burning that field down. Now, if Tiny were even remotely smart he would have saved a cutting from one of the many plants that are growing now, in case the inevitable happens and they get destroyed, but he's not really that smart, is he? So Regina will probably burn them down and she'll actually have some leverage over the townspeople once more, making her continued existence as mayor actually make sense.

5. To be fair, he is, well, Charming...yeah, that was a terrible pun. Seriously though, I actually thought that he did a pretty good job of giving Rumple advice, telling him to find that part of Belle that was still in Lacey. The only problem is that the writers seemed to have decided to destroy any similarity between the David/Mary Margaret relationship, and the Gold/Lacey relationship. David and Mary Margaret found themselves irresistibly attracted to each other, and kept coming together time and time again, no matter how hard they tried to stay apart. Gold and Lacey, on the other hand, don't have that same attraction. Gold is very into Lacey, for obvious reasons, but Lacey seems to be one of those gems among women who get turned on by anyone who's ruthlessly violent and aggressive towards people who don't really deserve it, even if they were a cruel Sheriff in another life. So while Mary Margaret and David were attracted to each other because of who they were inside, Lacey doesn't seem to actually be attracted to Gold, but rather to his violent and cruel nature. Not only is this a complete departure from the only other situation like this, but it is a complete one-eighty from before, when Belle was attracted to the good in Rumple, and not the bad. So while David's advice ended up being not so good, I would have been worried if he's actually said: "Oh Lacey, that girl's easy. Just cane any old dude half to death in front of her, and before you know it her heart will be yours."

Unfortunately, I think it's all to clear that the writers are setting up a situation in which Rumple and Belle share love's true kiss, Belle gets her real memories and personality back, and suddenly she doesn't love the man she did seconds ago, because he's bad again. Which means that in order to get his true love back, Rumple will have to have become the man she used to despise. And while that's some pretty good and intricate storytelling, the way they're going about it right now is just sloppy. Because there's not nearly enough continuity between the rules of this " it's true love but one or both of them don't remember each other" and the only other one that's happened on the show so far.
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3. The opposite of that. To me, that would be doubling down on stupid.
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So when you say "the opposite of that," did you think that if we never see Robing Hood, or any of his merry men, again, this was a brilliant tie-in that the writers did really well? Or did you just not like the whole Robin Hood thing at all?
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The writers should be embarrassed. If they never bring it up again we may forget.
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Overall, I think this episode illustrated the huge breakdown of communication within Storybrooke. Which is really disturbing, especially because these townspeople need to communicate more than probably anywhere else, ever. Because, after all, they are literally a town in Maine populated by fairy tale creatures who actually (in unfortunately only some cases) have the exact same abilities that they had in FTL. We've got at least four people who can perform magic, a werewolf, a mad hatter, an entire monastery of nuns/fairies who might all be able to perform magic at this point (or not, that part's really unclear), and a giant who's a ticking time bomb at this point,since he's only human size because of some unknown amount of magic that Cora gave him a while ago.

So you'd think that, especially now that for a while now there have been "normal" being in town who know nothing about the magic, the townspeople would make general effort to actually keep their secret a secret, and keep their magical nature in check. And yet, Ethan Embry's character has been seeing magic all over the place (he was really speaking the truth when he said "this town is lousy with magic"), and no one has even once though: "hey, maybe we should keep an eye on that guy who saw Rumple do magic and has really been into proving its existence for a while now, or something." As if that wasn't bad enough, Granny wasn't even aware that Bell had gotten her fake memories back, which means that probably only Rumple, Charming, and Regina actually are aware that Belle is running around with her alternate identity. Imagine if Ruby had run into her and even mentioned that she could change into a wolf? Yeah, that would be bad.

There's also the business of Regina. She literally tried to kill literally every other main character in town, with the exception of Henry. And while her mom was mostly the one behind everything, she still unleashed a giant upon the town (why Tiny still hasn't brought that one up, I have no idea), stood by her mother when she magically threw a woman through a clock tower, and assisted in a fight to kill Rumple so that her mother could, as I already mentioned but will say it again, kill Charming, Snow, Emma, and probably Granny and Ruby for good measure. Oh, and Bell would have to die because she'd make an issue about them killing Rumple thing. And yet, as Lily pointed out so very well in this review, not only is Regina not in jail, but she's once again the mayor. I can't say I'm surprised about this, since only good people ever spend time in that jail cell (I think Regina spent a few hours in there at the beginning of this season, but that was very brief, whereas Snow spent several days there). But still, you would at least expect that someone, anyone really, would be tasked with keeping an eye on Regina. Even a magic tracking anklet would do the trick, sort of, but at least it would be better than nothing.

But then again, assigning a townsperson to keep an eye on Regina is a tricky business, because you really don't know who to trust in that town. Or at least, there are a lot of people that no one should trust. I mean, it took King George chopping two people to death with an ax for anyone to notice that he was in town. If I were Charming or Snow, once I had gotten my memory back I would have made finding that former tyrant a priority. And in this episode we just met the Sheriff of Nottingham, who is traditionally considered to be a bad dude. It's also more than likely that Price John will be somewhere in that town, which has had a weird bar/nightclub there this whole time apparently, but no one seems to care about all these villains running about, and instead have chosen to wait into they choose a week to rear their ugly head and kill some people, before anything is done about them. But again, I can't say I'm surprised about this, as this is the same town that put together an actual mob (complete with torches and pitchforks) because their former tyrant (who all of them should hate) said a few things with an authoritative voice. Still, it would be nice if some of the non-villainy people in that town actually used their brain from time to time.

So yeah, it's about time that the people of Storybrooke actually tried to be realistic about their situation, instead of sitting back and hoping that the multitudes of problems that come their way will be dealt with by the poor excuses for Sheriff(s) (what's with that, by the way?) that they technically voted for/appointed when they literally weren't themselves. Because otherwise, it only takes one person, who is able to lie with a straight face, to literally turn everyone against each other. And if nothing else, that's just really awkward.
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I love Lily Sparks' reviews and can't wait to read them, because she says so much, so briefly, with humor and implication. I also love how Theopratt analyzes things so clearly, if at length (he's a lawyer, right?).

So what is going on with all the magical artifacts people have lost track of? The knife that can kill the Dark One-- the wand Robin Hood stole-- the hearts in boxes-- the talisman that was supposed to help Henry keep the flames away while he slept (he still has the sleeping curse, right?)-- the potion Tamara got from the Dragon-- the cursed candle. These are dangerous to have floating around, people! Isn't there any guidance in Henry's book?

Here 's the real defect of this show: What is the PRICE OF MAGIC in Storybrooke? The writers set up and then ignore this major theme that should apply to almost everyone: Gold, Regina, Blue Fairy, Hook, Emma, and maybe Tamara and Red. It should cost someone bigtime to use the magic beans-- something else for Charming and Snow to agonize about.



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Thanks for the kind comment at the beginning. I'm actually not a lawyer; in fact, I've practically just graduated from college. Anyway, the plethora of magical artifacts floating about town is very disturbing. This, mixed with the many villains floating about unchecked, leads to a very basic formula: completely free-roaming villain + easily attainable magical weapon/artifact = instant conflict for an episode or two. And while this is convenient for the writers--because at this point Hook could just pull out the dagger (I think Rumple has that at the moment, but I'm not positive) and replace his hook with it, and none of us would bat an eyelash--it is really not convenient for the poor, poor townsfolk of Storybrooke.

If I lived in that town, I would say something along the lines of: "Hey, do you think that maybe we could put some of these evil mass-murders in jail at some point, or at least not trust everything they say and stop putting them in power at random times. And could we lock up any of these magical weapons and stuff that sometimes have the ability to kill everyone in town, or at least make sure that they're being looked after by people who are actually capable of keeping them safe. And no Charmings, that doesn't mean you.

As for the price of magic, I have so many problems with the way it's treated on this show. First of all, I think that the price of magic is a bogus idea in the first place. It's not like everyone's running around talking about the price of electricity, and how using electricity has some sort of cost incurred by your soul. No one's talking about the price of pharmaceutics, either. The reason for this is that it's not like there's some blanket cost for using some sort of technology (and magic is, when you break it down, just another kind of technology, with its own specific rules and uses), no matter what that use is. Sure, there can be a cost to using modern technologies, but any and all costs depend on what specific technology you're using, and how you're using it.

For instance, if you're using a power tool with an old and rusty cord, with unprotected wires, then yeah, something bad could happen to you. Similarly, if you're taking a lot of drugs, then it's very possible that you'll become addicted to them. But you don't get physically shocked every time you use something electrical, and you don't get addicted every time you take a drug, or even when you take a lot of a certain drug. So when you apply magic to this realistic standard, you would expect there to be a cost only when you use certain magic, or at least that the cost is incredibly varied depending on what you're doing. So if Snow uses a candle fueled by dark magic, it makes sense that her heart could become slightly dark. And when Regina started to use magic for literally everything, it made sense that she became addicted to it, just as most people in our society have become addicted to modern technology.

Still, the writers have taken it a little overboard with the instances on this show where people have paid a price for, or been negatively affected by, magic. Sure, using magic a lot would make Regina addicted to it, but it shouldn't make her evil, unless she is using dark magic all the time, which she isn't. It doesn't make sense that one act of wanted to have control over her mother would, through continuous uses of magic, suddenly lead Regina down a path of pulling more than a hundred hearts out of more than a hundred living people. Now, it could simply be that it depends on where you draw your magic from. Cora, for instance, draws her magic from memories and feelings of hatred, while Emma has drawn them from pleasant memories and feelings.

So it would seem, then, that if you draw magic from the dark parts of yourself, then you end up becoming more dark, and that is the price you pay for using magic. This is a model that I could readily accept. However, as you've stated in your comment, the show claims that there is always a price for using magic, no matter what that magic is. From strangling someone with moving vines, to making a feather float in the air, there is always a price to be paid. And again, I think the writers will have a really hard time justifying any misfortune that befalls Emma as being because she has used magic. But this is what they've set themselves up for. The cost of using the magic beans, for instance, should really just be the hours and hours of growing them in the first place. That is what makes sense. But again, the writers have made it seem like there will be some other, darker, cost.
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George is a former tyrant? Because he didn't like Snow and Charming?
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More like because he put a bounty on Snows head, and imprisoned her for a while, for the sole reason that he didn't want her to marry his son. He also sent his men to capture/kill both Snow and Charming on several occasions. I say kill because it was a poisoned arrow that killed Charming's mom, Ruth, that we can assume was meant for him. In short, King George has had a number of people killed, tried to kill several more, and done a number of other bad things. He's a tyrant because he does everything he can to hold onto his power, regardless of how violent and cruel those things are, or whether or not they actually benefit his people. It's not that he didn't like Snow and Charming, it's that he made both their lives, and that of several others, as painful as possible because they didn't do exactly what he wanted from them.

Keep in mind, this is the kind of guy that will kill two innocent, random people with an ax for the sole purpose of turning a town upon each other so that he can rise to power. He doesn't care what he has to do in order to gain power, and once he has that power, he doesn't care what he has to do to keep it. And since the definition of tyrant is literally a cruel and oppressive ruler, I'd say that George certainly fits the bill, or at least he did back when he was king.
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I just remembered that one of the dwarves lost his memory way back when. I've wondered this before, but where is that guy and what is he doing? Did they just lock him up somewhere and not allow him to leave? Did Ruby do some quick changes for him, or did the Blue Fairy sparkle some flowers into existence, to prove that magic does exist and that maybe he should believe everyone who says he's lost his real memories? Just another one of those many loose ends.
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I forget what his name was, but he was at The Rabbit Hole drinking with Lacey.
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It turns out it's Sneezy, though his curse identity is Tom. And you're right, he was drinking in the bar. However, this still really begs the question: what's going on with that guy? Does he know all about the town he lives in? Or does everyone pretend that everything's normal whenever he shows up? What's more, do his friends just not pay any attention to him anymore, forcing him to hang out in random dives all the time? I'm guessing the writers have answers to all of these questions, but it would be nice to see these answers appear on screen at some point.
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Yeah you're right, I'd forgotten about that guy, what did happen to him? I checked and there were only six dwarves that got off the back of Charming's truck at the end.
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yes, yes, YES to all of this!
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An amazing sight rarely before seen – the juxtaposition of the words “Ouat’s-dedication-to-its-fans” :-)

I am a (usually) unrepentant Ouatster, and one of my favorite things is the fodder that the show gives for Lily's wit. Yep to Stockholm, yep to blood spattered aprons being unsettling, (although thankfully for the young viewers curled up in their jammies, the apron was a lot bloodier than the victim), and yep to Tumblrs everywhere covering their mirrors in mourning.

Say, I have a question of the forum: Is there any reason that Bae/Neal will NOT end up being Peter Pan? Perhaps I’ve missed some reason to know this isn’t the case. But the character seems designed to be boyish and mischievous – a thief with disheveled hair, sly smirk, casual bravado (as in the fight in Gold’s shop – I would’ve run out the door faster than Charming was catapulted out, but Neal seemed to enjoy the derring-do).

Although then, oh lawdie, how many ways might Henry end up related to Wendy Darling’s descendants??? I wanna go back to 6 degrees of separation!
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Other than the big guys saying we won't see him until season 3, no. And I'm not convinced that it doesn't mean it still won't happen.
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1. Lacey is awesome and we'll see her for a while until we get Belle back. No way they let her end that way.
2. Yes, I did.
3. Flaw. Because England. Slightly worse than even Lancelot. Because Nottingham is a touch more real than Camelot.
4. Make chili for the town.
5. As compared to Rumple? He doesn't need to know much.
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Baffling. And yet hilarious. This show continues to be crazy. But that's all I've ever needed out of this show. To be about fairy tale characters and to be entertaining. Check and check.
-I pretty much thought Lacey was a great addition. Plus, she was pretty hilarious. I certainly do hope to see her more. Also, you're not wrong. I've had the thought before about the animated movie "Beauty and the Beast" (which shows you that I think WAY too much about the motivations for characters in animated films), but especially with what this show is doing here, this really is straight up Stockholm syndrome. But hey, we're letting R-Stilts get his bad boy on a little more, so I can enjoy that.
-Maybe a little....
-I'm in a toss up on this one. I really can't make up my mind either way. My brain tells me that I should logically see it as a cheap gimmick and yet I can't find myself really caring enough about it to hate it. I'll straddle the fence on this one and not vote one way or the other (aka, the cheap way out).
-INFERNO!!!! (Please?)
-Oh, David "Player" Charming has ALL the moves. Like he can show you how to ask stupid questions and irritate someone in less than 5 words. Then later in the date he can show you how to accuse your date of being evil. He's got even worse moves if it's still going too well and your date hasn't run off yet.
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If I understand this correctly their cursed selves were the worst parts of their personality. So, Lacey being attracted to Rumplestiltskin's dark-side, kind of makes sense. Since, if my theory is correct, there is a part of Belle that looked at the Dark One, who planned on skinning people alive and thought "I want to do you."

When she was Belle that part was buried down, under morals. Only to come out as love, when Rumplestiltskin started being nice to her. Such as giving her a library. Speaking of the library, why are all the rooms circular? Is that the only set-room ABC has? Do they just re-do it every episode?

Anyway, cursed Belle, is attracted to evil, in the same way non-cursed Belle was, only now she doesn't have morals and common-sense to hold her back.

As for the new villains. Actually, they're here so that Regina can redeem herself by saving everyone.

Questions:

I imagine we'll see Lacey until she gets her memory back, which I really hope will be this season.

No, I went, well that can't be right. I don't actually want Henry to die, I do want Neal to sit him down and explain to him its not okay to manipulate everyone.

It depends whether or not Robin Hood comes back.

I'm more interested in where those beans take people. Because they take people to either Neverland or our land, so... Are there Neverland beans and our land beans and wonderland beans?

It's OUAT Lily.
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Thanks to some fantastic mess ups at the station, my channel didn't show OUAT until ten minutes in so I had no idea about the Henry killing dream. Thanks!! I think Regina might keep a few beans a burn the rest, perhaps causing a huge rift in the worlds.

Also, I totally thought of you, Lily, when I saw that awful hat on Emma. It's a cloche for a conehead.
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I think I might not mind this Lacey but basically because Belle kind of annoyed me and her insistance at getting Rumple to conform was sort of abusively manipilative (seriously you can't change someone).

No I didn't find that open funny since I already know the undoing is likely forcing him to stay here when magic and the assortment of characters go to ftl.

I found Robin Hood to be as useless as Cinderella was but not even having a big plot effect like she did (the favor because clearly Emma would not otherwise be indebted to Gold). And didn't it seem like Nottingham and most of the White Rabbit had no memory return? Nottingham would not have apllogized.

I am not sure about Regina and the beans...hostage maybe? She would have destroyed it already....

Seriously David really wants to go back because he knows he is much cooler in the Enchanted Forest...has he ever considered trying to get to know his daughter?

Um and let me call the remainder of the Owen Tamara story...they have a plan to kill all magic creatures. Hook is all for that until he discovers that Emma will be included in that definition. While I am unclear but all for an Emma/Hook hook up (because I think the writers think of him as their Sawyer) he bas ically respects her and sort of recognizes a bit of himself in her. He stops it at the expense of someone. But Tamara has a back up which I guess is the taking Regina hostage idea matbe?
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"Nottingham" has very good reason for apologizing, if he does remember what happened in the Enchanted Forest- the whole wench thing got him in trouble the first time, right? And now he's gone quite a bit further. I found it amusing that he called the man who interrupted "Mr. Gold", as if he was afraid to even say "Rumplestiltskin"
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1. While I cringed when Gold beat the guy up, I still liked Lacey. Go figure. I'm assuming the show keeps her, if nothing else but to show why Gold remains on the Dark Side for at least a while.

2. No, I didn't smile when Mr. Gold killed Henry on his birthday. I think he's is a cute kid.

3. Heaven knows if Robin Hood is a cheap promo gimmick or fun reference. But not only did he break into a castle to steal, he attempted to kill the owner. Creepy, and not a traditional Robin Hood maneuver.

4. Regina and those beans? I think that she'll take a bunch, let the Charming and their friends return to FTL, a
follow them there.

5. As to David attempting to help Gold reconnect with Belle: In the land of the blind, the one eyed is ... I forget. But you know what I mean.
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I had a good laugh when I saw Henry get smashed into pieces in the begining. not becuase I dislike him - I'm kinda ambivalent towards him, but because I could pictures all the other OUAT fans (especially you Lily) cheering! hahahahahaha!

I think I've been watching too much Spartacus - 'cos when I saw Robin Hood's injuries my first thought was - 'those aren't in keeping with the amount of blood on the apron' I actually felt ripped off! (I forgot that this is famly show)

Yay! Bitchy Regina is back with a vengence!

I know that OUAT have to save money for the special effects, costumes and make up but would it have killed them to fork out for some grape juice instead of water for the wine?

At the risk of pissing off fellow OUAT fans - I really don't care about Aurora and Mulan. So I'm not upset that they seem to have been forgotten.

I love the idea of Rumple and Belle as an 'evil power couple' kinda like an 'anti Snow & Charming' I hope she DOESN'T get her memory back.
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I like that concept of the evil power couple. That's a way I hadn't thought of putting it but makes so much sense.
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or at the very least, put some coloring in the water LOL
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