Once Upon a Time "The Crocodile" Review: Never-again Land

Once Upon a Time S02E04: "The Crocodile"

Belle and Rumple fans, you got another episode last night, and it was easily the most conflict-free episode we've seen so far this season. Belle left Rumple for almost no reason (she called him an emotional coward, then sneaked out of the house instead of confronting him about a possible break-up and ate her feelings instead). Belle was kidnapped! By her own super-controlling Aussie dad? And then Rumple smoothed everything over by essentially buying her a library. (Belle is a bookworm! If she's bowled over by ice in tea, wait until someone gets her a Kindle.)

Everything was nicely done and lovely, but that doesn't change the fact that this episode made borderline no sense emotionally. After her dad tried to ERASE HER BRAIN by putting her on a rickety theme-park mining-cart ride straight out of town, she didn't even get that miffed. She just halfheartedly told her dad and Rumple, the supposed love of her life who had just saved her with his mind-bending magic, not to talk to her and limped off. Like, what an anti-climax.

Also it made me laugh that after Belle had officially separated from Rumple and assumedly gave up wearing the pretty clothes he bought her, she appeared at Granny's ready to chow down in the most unflattering outfit ever put together on this show. The Storybrooke Goodwill donation bin must have been down to the dregs for her to cobble this monstrosity together:

Okay, let me stop cyber-bullying Belle for costume choices that were not her fault. While I love Rumple and Belle in theory, on screen their relationship seems virtually baseless and hollow. I'm sorry to draw wrath from those of you who love Rumpbelle but facts is facts. We rarely see them interacting except for bickering, Rumple is constantly sneaking off to go spin on his magical spinning wheel (which, LOL LOL LOL x forever), and frankly, if you're going to have the dynamic of a guy pushing a girl away even though he loves her, you have to give the "love" side as much time and power as the "have a nice life" side. Instead Rumple keeps giving these long, rationalized speeches about his feelings or explaining where the door is and we're just supposed to understand that he's into Belle. Show me don't tell me, televison show. One crushing hug with tears in his eyes after such a speech would go far. So far.

"The Crocodile" was essentially a vehicle to introduce another villain, Captain Hook, who was the Jared Leto of his day, a dramatically emo rockstar of a ship captain who seduced Rumple's wife away from him after a couple rounds of ale and trashtalk at a tavern.

Pre-Evil Rumple was humiliated when Hook apparently kidnapped his wife to serve as a Pirate Crew Whore, and Rumple was too scared to fight for her life. But luckily he soon became Post-Evil Rumple, a.k.a the dark one, which as we all know meant he crimped his hair and started speaking with a weird Children's Theater cadence and began posturing and throwing out grandiose hand gestures while talking to people like a villain in a silent film. Such is the nature of evil.

I appreciate that someone sat him down and convinced him to stop tossing out random ear-splitting cackles this season, but seriously Evil Rumplestiltskin is so broad it's hard to take him seriously at all, much less as a villain. I could only pity the new actors playing his pirate mistress wife and her lover, Captain Hook.

It's hard enough to stand around in a bright-green room in a pirate costume and still pull off a believable performance, but add to that the fact that the person you're supposed to be reacting to and appear threatened by keeps slipping in bizarre phrases in a weird fake Italian accent. I mean, "I will gut your entire crew like-a da feeesh!" I will gut your entire crew like-a da feeesh? Did the script tell him to say it like that or was that Robert Carlyle's own wacky little spin?

Meanwhile, despite no longer being cursed, Storybrooke's future is looking dire. No money coming in, no memory if they leave, and a bunch of bad ideas circulating. The dwarves understand only mining, not geology, and so they're mining earth rock for fairy diamonds to make fairy dust. Good luck with that, guys. Careful watercolors of missing loved ones festoon the town.

David Nolan is in charge. It's a bad situation!

How is Storybrooke's economy still intact? Can people come into town without getting their brains erased? How long 'til the food runs out? BELLE WANTS TO KNOW, HOW LONG 'TIL THE FOOD RUNS OUT?!

Obviously the prospect of seeing the Neverland dimension was a big enticement going into this episode, frankly my dreams before last night were filled with CGI mermaids (hi Ariel?), Peter Pans, and Tinkerbells (Kristen Bell as Tinkerbell guys come on let's do this!), but not only did we not see Captain Hook in Neverland but it could be argued that we might never see Neverland, as Hook is already chilling at the post-apocalyptic wasteland with Cora, backstory complete. And based on the promo for next week's episode it looks like the adventures we're all interested in—Snow White teaching Emma basic math, how to kill trolls—will once again not happen. They know we want to see it so they're meting it out like precious precious fairy diamonds.

See—and I'm ranting here, sorry—this is what I don't understand about OUaT, and why putting it back-to-back with Revenge really actually hurts it quite a bit. If OUaT knows what the audience wants to see, and the writers so obviously do, why not intersperse a few vignettes with the traveling princesses, rather than use the promise of time with the princesses at some future date like a carrot on a fishing line held out in front of the old tired donkey to make it keep plodding through episodes it doesn't want to see? (The tired old donkey in this analogy is me. I am so tired guys, tired of staring at that carrot and thinking "Where is Emma? Where is Snow? Where is whatsherface? Where is Mulan?) Are the writers so unable to come up with a few 30-second scenes with Snow and the crew that would develop character (I'm not even asking for the plot to clip along, just character development) that they have to go two, three episodes without rewarding their audience with even a peak at that storyline? Instead we get to learn about... Smee? Instead we get to learn that Belle's father is abusive? (Which explains a lot about why she fell in love with Rumple when he used to shake the sh-t out of her and then throw her in a dungeon.)

I don't know, guys, I don't know. Not liking the looks of a one-off Halloween episode next week. What do you think?

QUESTIONS:

1. Rather convenient that magic lets you take a heart out of a chest without getting blood on the rental costumes/ratings, right?

2. Has any woman in the history of time ever been disappointed her husband didn’t go to war?

3. If Belle really loved Rumple, how could she leave him so soon?

4. Were you frustrated by this episode or thoroughly entertained?

5. Have you ever had a hamburger?

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I was thoroughly entertained by this episode...I didn't even miss Emma and Snow. I absolutely love Robert Carlyle and his portrayal of Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold. There is no other actor out there who could do a better job, in my opinion. Also, Peter Pan has always been a favourite story of mine, and I loved the show's spin on it. And it doesn't hurt that Captain Hook is easy on the eyes. And just because we didn't go to NeverLand this episode, doesn't mean we never will.



Bring on the Halloween episode!
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Hmn... to answer the points of the week from Lily.



1. Of course it's all very convenient. it wouldn't be TV if it wasn't. LOL!



2. Mila was a Biatch and totally deserved death. She complained about poor Rumple being a coward, then did a runner on him to have adventures with smexy guyliner pirate dude and abandoned her child. I mean it's all well and good her sitting there and saying that she was in love with SMPD and never loved Rumple but COME ON Rumple was totally right to get p.o'ed because not once was she bothered about her poor kid. Rumple may not have been the brawniest guy around and he's a coward, but he never abandoned his son (sorry but the fact that he let go of Bae in the heat of the moment and the kid fell into a bean portal doesn't class as abandonment to me) So I'd be angry too if my husband ran off and left me to look after our kid by myself, and then couldn't even be fussed with the kid after showing up years later. I mean seriously did she even ONCE ask about her son? No! Total biatch I'm glad Rumple ripped her damn heart out. She obviously wasn't using it. Okay, angry rant over.



3. Rumple and Bell seem to have a rather twisted complicated relationship. Belle's paranoid and wants to change poor Rumple, and Rumple... is still a coward. LOL! But actually I think it's good she's not living in his pocket. I mean think about it. The girl needs some independence so working in the library and living by herself (possibly leaning a bit more about the real world while she's at it) may give her a deeper appreciation for everything including Rumple. But that's just my opinion.



4. The most entertaining part of this whole ep was Mila getting her heart ripped out. I was like "TAKE THAT BIATCH!" My brother glared at me after walking into my bedroom and asking who I was talking too and is currently trying to get me committed. My mother is attempting to stop him. LOL!



5. I have had something they call a hamburger in McDonolds. But it's not even made out of ham. it's made out of beef. I mean I've always wanted to ask why the hell they call it a hamburger and to all you Americans, is the hamburger made out of ham in America? I mean WHY call it a hamburger when it's not remotely related to ham?
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Hamburgers are from Hamburg, Germany, so they are called Hamburgers. "Burg" means selling, so it was a town in Germany where people once sold ham.
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Omygoodness...Okay I just figured out the name connection for Dr. Whale, who appears to be Dr. Frankenstein in next week's episode. Frankenstein the book was written/published in 1818 by Mary Shelly , so it at least fits in the fairy tale era-but James Whale was the film director-he directed the greatest of the frankenstein films with Boris Karloss in 1931. Most of these folks have a name tie in with their original fairy tale lives, so this fits.
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I knew that ages ago. (nods) Being an English Lit Major has serious advantages. LOL! However I don't like to make assumptions. I was kinda hoping for a bigger scandal at who Dr Whale is. I'm still hoping he's not going to be Frankenstein really. But it very much looks like i now thanks to the promo.
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I thought that Rumple admitting to Belle about his son at the end was that show of affection you were looking for Lilly. For a man that is meant to be pure evil making a compromise to appease someone else is a big step. And now that I think of it it's not like he was in a healthy relation ship with his wife, so he may not know how to be in love. Is that too grounded for this show? Anyway, I thought that the end in the bookstore made up for the waste of time that was the rest of the show.

I have to say, I didn't realize that Emma and Snow weren't in the show until after it ended. I actually thought that having the episode split into 3 story lines (real world, flashback, and FTL) was a little too much the other week. I think it should stick with 2 story lines per episode but maybe alternate between Emma/Snow and Storybrooke from week to week rather than consecutive weeks on Storybrooke.
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-If all things could be that simple I wouldn't spend so much time furiously scrubbing clothes and muttering to myself.

- Bwaha. Only women with a warped sense of adventure. Captain Hook I liked, mostly because he was pretty. I won't even bother to add deep into all that shallow. The man was pretty to look at and had an accent and therefore I was entertained. But Rumple's wife abandoned her husband because he didn't run off to war and she felt embarassed, but more importantly...she abandoned her kid. She left Bae without so much as a second thought and didn't seem to give two craps about it until rumple himself brought it up first. If she was really as repulsed by Rumple and his cowardice ways and she claimed to be then she certainly wouldn't have left her son with him. They could have simply explored a woman who didn't like the confiments of merely being a wife and mother...who got overhwhelmed by it all and was lost or whatever...and that would have given her an ounce of sympathy as a character because it happens. But what they did was make her a frivoulous woman who abandoned her family and more importantly her kid for a man and promise of adventure. Nothing honorable or sympthetic in that...anywhere.

- I don't know. I'm with you Lily. Give us enough of the love so that we could actually make sense of the rest of this.

- eh. Somewhere inbetween.

- No! What are they?! Tell me is it a mound of ham on a plate or something? What is the meaning of this hamburger you speak of?!
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4. Thoroughly entertained!! :)
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I think any time we are learning something new about a character whether it's back story or present story or whatever it's moving the story forward because you never know when something you learn is going to come back and be relevant. I love the Rumple and Belle stories because they're such an unlikely couple and they both have so many issues that that is what makes them perfect for each other. The two back stories of Rumple, before he became the Dark One and afterward were a good addition to his present quandary of how not to be a coward in his relationship with Belle. Even though he had power as the Dark One he still was kind of a coward when it came to killing someone he'd vowed revenge against. Also, how cool was Captain Hook? I always wondered how he got to be a crotchety old man with one hand missing who is paranoid that a crocodile is out to get him. But, at the end of the episode he seemed to have conquered his fear and was ready to find a way back to this world and find Rumple for a re-match. I can't wait to see what next week's episode brings.
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Since midway through last season I've said much the same thing- no matter how fluffy, even the dwarf eggs (BLECCH!) cannot be totally dismissed as "just filler" because we don't know which things will end up being important.

These writers have proven time and again that they can use tiny details as major building blocks. But since Rumplestiltskin murdered "Hook's" true love the same way Cora murdere Regina's true love. I'd like to see those 2 get together.
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Liked this episode. I think emma sucks and don't care about seeing her story at all. She only does stupid things.
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I think pretty much all of the good guys in the series suck



the only one i find a little interesting is August/Pinceo

I wat5ch the series because of Mr Gold And Regina

even Cora is good

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Ruby is interesting...at least for me, and now that she gave up on the massive face paint she looks better.



Somehow...i don't like Cora but there's still time (i remember hating Regina in the beginning and now i can't imagine the show without her and Rumple)
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I totally agree about Rumpelstiltskin and Belle. I was intrigued by the idea in terms of character composition for the beast but I just can't see Emilie de Ravin as Belle. Her casting is way off. She's so whiny and two dimensional here. Belle should be learned, charismatic but shrewd and sees past the beast's evil side and concentrates on tiny specs of kindness. She actually just floats about the place feeling sorry for herself and we don't really know or haven't been shown why she even has an interest in him it's quite creepy. She certainly doesn't feel like a heroin who saves a man's soul - just a glutton for punishment!
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I hope you meant "heroine", and not "heroin"- that misspelling kinda goes along with the "magic as drug" discussion!
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A ham what now?
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Me, also bored. I am watching it because I loved the first season, but so far I only see grey and boring. I hope it changes :(
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I've never wanted a girl to run so far away from a guy as much as I want Belle to run away from Rumple. He killed his last girl for being mean to him.
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I'm not justifying killing Milah, but I'd say leaving your husband to raise your son by himself while you selfishly tool around with pirates is a little more than "being mean to him."
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not only that but she got the pirate to humiliate him once more and, more importantly, put him in the position of having to tell his son that his mom got captured by pirates and he couldn't save her...if any of my family members got kidnapped i'd be devastated (the thought only of what kidnappers might do to her/him would torment me relentlessly day after day)... so she put that kid (and her husband) through that pain when she could have just as easily told them (or leave a letter or word through someone) that she was bored with her life and she wanted a change of scenery. I guess she was the real coward in the end.

Also, Rumple killed her in anger (he wasn't good at controlling his evil side back then) and he got angry only after remembering what she did to his son, so he kind of killed her because of his son. I'm not trying to justify a killing but "mean" doesn't even come close.
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i kind of found this episode a little boring and please no more episodes without emma, snow, and regina
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I totally disagree with you on this one

This episode was awesome

This season is awesome and Ouat

is for now the only watchable tv series on this days

with all the boring crap lying around (Last Resort ,Revolution,Elementary ...)

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I was with you up until you said Last Resort was boring. Lost all credibility after that.
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how did rumple end up a cripple exactly?

his wife kind of bothered me...not parent material (but she was happy sailing with the pirates so no surprise there - why on earth did she marry some one so quiet and mild mannered like rumple in the first place? i think she wanted him dead thats why she was disappointed that he didn't go to war)

anyway...even if i got frustrated i still liked it... don't know why but i like Rumple and Belle and we got some character development for both of them this episode (the break-up was a little sudden but i guess she just freaked out from her dream...?)
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If this season doesn't pick up, I'm going to give up on it. I mean, ep 4-- it was entertaining and all -- but not as strong as the back stories for the season one introductions.

The heart thing, I always likened to teh "metaphorical heart" that witches and warlocks took out of the victim in order to control them in the old old old old fairy tales. I just think it's weak about the closing fist and turning to ash thing. Though, it is a very tangible way to represent that metaphorical control.

Rump's wife was ashamed that her husband didn't go to war because of the WAY in which he defected. Back-in-the-day of Grimm's fairy tales, a mans honor or dishonor was passed to his sons. SHe was kinda pissed that he really screwed over Bay.

Belle is sick of his mind games, but is a weak woman character. Part of me thinks the writers will use this as a jumping off point in her realization of herself as a bad-ass-princess-warrior. Weak, but whatever.

And I miss hamburgers. REAL American hamburgers. Yum.
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It wasn't "manly" for Rumplestiltskin to run away from battle- in a warrior society, any man who isn't gungho is questionable, so defecting is even worse. (This attitude persists-as anyone who's ever seen "The White Feather", set in England during WWII, can attest)



It didn't seem to me that Milah minded how Rumplestiltskin's actions affected Bae, so much as how they affected her; but I can't prove you wrong. Anything either of them says about their marriage is biased by their anger at each other. And I wonder how much of Rumplestiltskin's anger at Milah's defection is truly on Bae's behalf- I think he felt that she'd betrayed them both. It's just more socially acceptable to be indignant on behalf of his son than in his own right- and garners him a little sympathy because she's a "bad" mom.

Without seeing more of their relationship, it's a tough call.
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Yo, folks! Hope that you all had a great summer/fall...not that, in my part of the world, fall has been any less hot. But forum, there did seem to be some agreement last year that we would see, during the renewed season, whether the writers were really interested in spinning an interesting tale, or just in making some big bucks. I thought that the first couple of episodes were good - concentrating on the characters that actually matter to us, the ones that actually form the series - not to mention the great original concept. But now, we fear that we are quickly returning to Dwarf Eggs. Sorry to see it, as it seems a rather purposeful act to write just good enough to get viewership, then disrespect us, then get us back before the next sweeps week. Me? Admitting to being foolish to reward them.
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Well said. I couldn't agree more.
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I'm already disappointed about Dr. Whale. After speculating about him all this time, the promo for the next episode makes him look ridiculous to me. JUST MY OPINION.
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I didn't like that Hook and Cora ended up being allies in the end. That's a little too convenient for my taste. I don't like when OUaT takes the easy route with their story lines. I did like the Peter Pan references (I love Disney, and Peter Pan is one of my favorites) but it's disappointing that Rumple cut off Hook's hand and not an actual crocodile. I would love to see Peter Pan and Tinker Bell but as you pointed out, it looks like it won't happen.
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1. Rather convenient that magic lets you take a heart out of a chest without getting blood on the rental costumes/ratings, right?---I complained about the "heart thing" last season when Regina removed Graham's heart.



2. Has any woman in the history of time ever been disappointed her husband didn't go to war?---His wife was a real b----



3. If Belle really loved Rumple, how could she leave him so soon?---I think she was just growing frustrated and impatient. When she saw him in the basement she thought he was going to go back to being the dark one. And I think she'd probabl convinced herself that he had changed from when she first fell in love with him. It all ended up being pointless because the ending implies that they will continue to be together. Those two together just grosses me out.



4. Were you frustrated by this episode or thoroughly entertained?---It was at times entertaining but VERY frustrating. After the events of the previous episode, how could they not show Emma and Snow at ALL? :(



5. Have you ever had a hamburger?---At least once a month :P
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May I refer you all to Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom? Not as pretty, but no blood either. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk2E1CoGe98
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I figured that I would start posting here again once I caught up, and since I quit watching after four episodes of Henry last year, I thought it would take a lot longer for me to watch a current episode. Thank God for couples dinners at friends' houses. (I am kidding; I hate my GF's couplefriends just a little bit more than I already did. "You don't have to worry about the alcohol...because we stocked up with Muscato and light beer!")

I guess things that bothered the core audience are things that might've kept me around longer: Main Chick, Quite Unattractive Snow, and Henry disappeared, and that's at least 102 reasons to give next week's episode a chance, as well. I'm confident that I can 'ehh' a lot longer without them around. This episode seemed, to me, just about 42 minutes where Rumple loses another girl, and decides to not give up on evil just yet. Also, a guy who lost his hand in the most predictable fashion arrives to *never* kill the target of his revenge, but will look pretty while never doing so. So I don't know what most viewers get out of this show, but with a few highly uninteresting weeds cleared out for me, I was able to watch other less uninteresting things. Plus column.

Anyway, I would've liked to see the witch without her obsessing over a kid that hates her, but maybe next week.
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I've always thought she was extremely cute.
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In a hobbit sort of way, as I could picture her with the bushy hair and giant ears. Not in a 'I must kill her so that I might once again be the fairest in the land' sort of way.

I guess that's why she bothers me so much. Normally, I try not to judge an actor or actress on their actual looks, but she's supposed to be really really beautiful, and--ehh.
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Really? I think she is extraordinarily beautiful.
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I think this episode was more about laying a foundation for upcoming conflicts.

1. Gold needs to prove if he can truly love, and winning back Belle would be a challenge. She is the only one who can refuse him and he will sadly accept-but if he wants something or someone-we know how far he will go.

2. I think Belle ending up in library is not just a nod to the Disney movie. remember is season 1finale-that is where the steampunk elevator is that leads you down to the remains of the dragon-and what is malificient herself is not dead-the coming of magic might have provided some restorative energy-and it was her dragon half that was destroyed.

3. I miss Emma and Snow!

4. For qustion one-it is a metaphysical heart of some sort-remember the poor Sheriif. Those who have it control it.

5. Belle is also not the type who wants rescue-she wants to do. If Gold had tried to include her in his quest for getting his son back-she may not have left.

6. Despite it all-David/Charming is finally bonding with henry-that is something he never really got to do before curse was broken. So this is good for them both.

7. I know Cora is gonna slip into Storybrooke. Regina? how will she react?
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I agree that Belle is probably at the library for more than one reason- if there IS magic underneath, then it needs to be monitored. Now Rumplestiltskin has an excuse! Agree that he made the classic "manly" mistake by not sharing his story with Belle sooner; she'd help him find his son even if she didn't love him.

I would love to see Maleficient return! (Who do I have to bribe?)

Cora vs Rumplestiltskin- Regina is just the appetizer!
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1. That's the best part, no messy clean-up.



2. I'd say there are a few that we have not been told about.



3. Sometimes it's best to leave now than stay and look like an idiot or an accomplice.



4. I was frustratingly entertained.



5. I've had many a hamburger. I'm still on a quest to find the best one yet.
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I don't know your location, but the best I ever had was the Chow Burger at a little place in Feasterville, PA called Chow 284. Burger, bacon, fried mozzarella, bleu cheese cole slaw, arugula, and creole mayo. Not something to eat on a regular basis, but it's definitely my last meal should I ever end up on death row.



But I digress.
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WOW! What's up with all that negativity? You didn't seem so annoying when Emma and Snow were missing in "We are both"... Episodes are only good when they reference "The 10th Kingdom"? Give me a break! This episode was FAR better than "We are both" and here you are, mopping the floor with it.
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This episode sucked to the highest suckable degree. We Are Both had its problems, but The Crocodile was way worse. Egregiously so.
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"The Crocodile" was okayish episode. It wasn't bad but we had much better this season (for example last week)

Two things I liked:

1. Rachel Shelley known as Helen from the L-word played Milah, Pre-Evil Rumple's wife. I love that actress (she was the main reason I watched the L-word). She is beautiful, funny and very talented. She looked great as a pirate. I keep wondering how is it possible she doesn't have her own show.

2. Sniffing Ruby - Meghan Ory is just hypnotizing. Every scene with her is worth waiting an entire week for next episode of UOaT.

Lily, I fully support your idea of Kristen Bell as Tinkerbell - she would be amazing addition to the show. (which is already wonderful and one of the best things in TV)

And the questions:

1. Blood would be messy. They would have to often change costumes. That would be very expensive.

2. I have never heard about such case.

3. Bell spent last 20+ years in the asylum. She has right to behave irrationally.

4. Mostly frustrated / bored.

5. Nope. I prefer cheesburgers.



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Well gosh, I kinda like Belle this episode. Maybe because I am hoping she is going to develop a darker side what with being with Rumps and all. Now the library can be her lair! And she will charge insanely high late fees! Also, I loved her outfit you hated so much :c Maybe it is because I have always loved Claire, but I am loving Belle lately.



Now we finally get Captain Hook! The main reason why I started watching this show!! He was alright. Hopefully his character will get more developed and twitchy and villainy just like the Hook we know and love. This Hook is too pretty for me, I want more hair and bigger stache.



As for the lack of ovaries this episode, I did not mind so much. It is nice to go back and forth between stories, but nicer to have episodes dedicated to one story. Snow and Jennifer Morrison will get their own time to spend together with us soon. Lost did the same, with breaking up the cast and then focusing on different groups at a time. I am ok with that!
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At least we know one thing for sure, It was Rumple who taught Regina how to pull hearts out since we saw him do it to his own wife last night. I for one like the Rumple/Gold character. He is evil, no doubt, but he has a reason for it. First it was because he was branded a powerless coward, second it was to find his son. Now he is trying to balance his love for Belle with those goals.



Last week we had Regina for only about a scene and this week not at all. At least next week we get back to her storyline. We seem to be getting close to finding out about who Whale is also given his presence in the preview.
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Here's how I thought this was going to play out: Rumple's wife is on the pirate ship. She was sick of him not fighting for her, so she staged it so he would have to fight to win her back from the pirates. I expected her to jump out when he refused to duel and yell at him and yada yada. Not become pirate wench. That would have made her a more likeable character, rather than having her leave her son for some guy. Leaving your husband because you don't like him is one thing, but your son?
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I'm not sure if it is because of the other shows that I watched that night but for some reason like 2 days later, I had to read this review to remember what actually happened. There just didn't seem to be a lot to this episode.

Its not that I don't like the character of Belle I just really don't think she has been developed enough yet and seemed kind of just meh... but I will take more Ruby anyday, hopefully some of her badassness rubs off on Belle, because I was kind of disappointed that she is like leave me alone to lets get a burger some time....
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Haha I'm excited for next weeks episode. I knew dr. Whale was dr. Frankenstein! I personally like the fact that they are trying to expand beyond fairytales! It's gunna be awesome. And I also agree with someone that said they think rumples son is Peter pan! I think so too and it's gunna be awesome! (:
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anyone else thinking Rumple's son is Peter Pan?
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No, Rumple specifically stated that the curse sent everyone to the same land he sent his son. That leaves no opportunity for him to be Peter Pan.
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Unless Tinker Bell found him on Earth and took him to Neverland. I know, grasping at straws.
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Yes. It would fix all the timeline problems.
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I actually had to look if it was Lily who wrote this review, it was that negative. I'm not saying I don't agree, I was just surprised she didn't like the episode.. I can only say I didn't enjoy it that much because it was one of those episodes I got fed up with in Season 1 already: background story. Sure, it's important to explain how everybody got the way they are but I thought we were past that. Instead, we get introduced to even more characters!
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We still need progression while we get backstory and introductions. An episode like this pretty much brings everything to a stand still. This episode disappointed me in more ways than one.
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Were it not for the witty captions, I almost thought Tim wrote it.
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I agree with you, this was the most negative review I've ever seen..

I agree that their relationship seems kinda forced and i wished that they elaborate it more so it seems more believable. But I've seen worse episodes than this.
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People, people! Please! Can we all just put aside our differences and agree that this episode had just the right amount of Henry?
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Actually Belle and Rumpel doesn't look like a couple in the first place !!!

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when we were just introduced to the captain I thought maybe it's Sinbad, but then he was a too big of a jerk to be him. Captain Hook is hawt tho. Bring Graham back! more hawt guys teeheee
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I loved the Hook storyline in it but I really hated the Belle/Rumple crap. Belle is quickly becoming my least favorite (or maybe second least favorite compared to Aurora) princess. I'm not a fan of them as a couple and they don't act it well.



I would love to see more of Emma and Snow but I have a feeling when they come back, it'll be with a bang as OUaT is apt to do so I'm content with that. Plus, seeing Charming take on the leadership role is kinda hot. Him working in the mines was pretty sweet. Now that he's in charge, love it!



I just wish there weren't so many cliffhangers out there -- King George and what he wants, where is Bae, who the mysterious stranger at the beginning of the first episode is, where did August get to....at least bring it all around once in a while!



But I still love the show to bits and Hook is hot even if he is a baddie so I'm down with that (though I'm still mourning Graham......)
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Belle and Rumpel is not a love story I can root for. It's incredibly bland and there is absolutely no chemistry. Whenever Belle shows up I'm just waiting for her scene to be over. With such compelling stories e.g., Regina, Charming/Snow, Rumpel and Baelfire, Belle's character is underwhelming.

Overall, the episode was okay. I liked the introduction of Captain Hook. I enjoyed seeing Charming in a tank top.
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I see Rumpel and Belle having about as much sexual chemistry as Dexter and Rita in season one, but I think the relationship works for them. Belle seems like she was isolated even before she met Rumpel. Belle's father was domineering even if it turns out that he wasn't abusive and her fiance did not seem much better. Both those men would have been seen as "good". Therefore, when Rumpel showed a sense of humour, and seemed almost sweet, he probably became the best man in her life. For Rumpel's part Belle is one of only two people in either world who saw him as good. He may not feel any sexual chemistry towards her, but Belle is the only person Rumpel/Gold can say for certain would morn and not throw a party if he died. I know I wouldn't let that go easily. Having said all that, the only person other than Gold I could see Belle with is Jefferson.
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I actually enjoyed this week's episode a lot, and didn't mind the lack of Emma/Snow. I do like Rumple and Belle together on screen, though I can't really bring myself to see them as a romantic couple. They have zero sexual chemistry. A platonic surrogate father-protegee relationship, I could see, but something else? It makes me cringe a little (is it the age difference? is it the evil Rumple make-up? the "deary"s? dunno).



I really want to see Neverland now. Writers, since you put that image in our heads, please deliver. Hopes have been raised. Please do not crush our dreams.
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"Where is whatsherface?" Brilliant!
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What confused me is that they billed Captain Hook as this big villain, but then he wasn't really evil at all. In fact he was the one who was wronged.



Also Lily makes too big a deal over Snow and Emma's absence. I think at this point the show can handle itself without every main character being in every episode.
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"What confused me is that they billed Captain Hook as this big villain, but then he wasn't really evil at all. In fact he was the one who was wronged."

He steals a man's wife and then humiliates the husband by challenging him to a duel that he has no chance of winning and Hooks's the one who was wronged? Maybe in Neverland!
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I agree, not every episode needs the Sisterhood of the Traveling Princesses.
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Well, running away with some poor guy's wife, and pushing him around and humiliating him publically while he's crying about depriving his son of a mother isn't really the work of a saint either... He might not be evil but he's still a pretty scummy guy.
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Because being a scummy guy means you deserve to see your girlfriend be brutally murdered?



Alrighty then.



Hook may be an arse (plus, he's a pirate), but Rumple is much, much, much worse. And he's the Beast when the Beast was just an arsehole, not a murderer.
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I think it's best not to look at the details too closely on a show like this, it will never lead anywhere good. For my money, the episode was enjoyable. I liked the introduction of Captain Hook - it will be interesting to see how his showdown with Rumple goes down given that one has magic and the other (presumably) does not. Then again, he's Cora's partner rather than minion, so that has to say something for his abilities.



I love Snow and the FTL business, but it didn't kill me to skip out on it for an episode...it did kill me to have to sit through more Belle/Rumple and a Rumple-heavy backstory. I normally like Robert Carlyle, I like him as Gold, but every time Rumple makes a weird noise or flaps his arms around, I want to slap him. Seriously, there is a thing called 'over-acting' and you're doing it. I haven't really liked Belle in any of the episodes - I'm not sure if that's the fault of the actress or the writing or both? Either way, combining the two did the episode no favors. Everything else is what saved it for me.
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OUaT lost me the SECOND they brought LANCELOT in the scene! WHAT THE WHAT????? So unnecessary! There's so much rich folklore out there....



This episode sucked even more than the previous - and THAT is a feat not to be mocked at lightly!



C'mon writers! What changed between Seasons 1 and 2????
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How is Lancelot not part of that rich folklore?
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Well, prepare yourself because I was reading an article today discussing what characters the writers wanted to incorporate and they are all over the place, i.e., literature, history, fairytales, etc. For example, they originally intended the sheriff to actually be Sherlock Holmes, but couldn't get the licensing worked out. How crazy would that have been?
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omg! this is about fairy stories NOT ANY FICTION!!! It's bad enough Elementary is making a mockery of Sherlock.... STOP the madness I say!



(psunshine - Lily went over the whole christian knights next to heretic fairy tales last week... )
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And one thing we forgot to mention to Lily last week when she brought it up was that the Shrek series already opened the door for interaction between fairy tales and Arthurian legend.
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Yeah but Shrek's tag line wasn't "Imagine every fairytale character you ever read about was real..." It even specifies that the curse only affected fairytale characters on their own website. Check out the ABC.com video called Once Upon a Time 101. I don't really care one way or the other, but as with the rest of the show, their original premise has proven to lack consistency.
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If anything, this episode squarely put Rumplestilskin as the anti-hero of this series. You don't really want to root for him, because you know he's essentially a douchebag, but you still completely get how he could turn into the mad wizard he became. The perfect example of that would be his wife...

Am I the only one who has absolutely zero sympathy for what happen to Milah and Killian? Alright lady, you feel miserable in your marriage and wish to get out of it, fine, that's your choice... but, not only are you too much of a coward to actually tell your husband to his face you're leaving him (which is why, every time Milah had the balls to call Rumple a coward, I laughed myself silly. Ah, people in glass house throwing stones... they really suck!), but much, MUCH worse... you're leaving your child behind? ARE YOU FOR REAL, MILAH? Are we actually suppose to feel sorry for you? F you, you selfish slut! And, to top it all, her great paramour is A COMPLETE ASSHOLE. 'Member how Rumple re-introducing himself to Killian some years later? He just slightly bumped into the Captain, which seems to signal that Mr. Jones had now every right to kick him down on the street - "no peasant should touch moi!!!" Only when he realized he was messing with the Dark One that he finally chilled the f-up, but mere seconds before? Superstar Dirtbag. So was I suppose to feel any sympathy for that jackass when he lost the love of his life... and his girlfriend (hey, I just made a masturbation joke!)? No? Well good - 'cause I didn't. Watching Stilskin squeezing the life out of his ex's heart, all I could think was: "Buddy, killing her off just shows you still care enough about that broad to bother dispatching her to the afterlife... which is ultimately weak. But hey, you're a monster, and you have legit reasons to be piss at her, especially when she knows what you're capable of and STILL talked down to you (you sure pick a winner there, didn't you?) So do what you need to do to get over that bitch." Seriously, please do not bring back Milah.... She truly is the worse.

... Killian Jones? Really? What, was Captain James Hook too cool of a name, so OUaT's writers needed to pussy it out? Or was this useless name-change a very weak attempt to hide the BIG reveal that anyone with a functioning brain saw coming the minute the character got introduced!? God... so dumb. And, speaking of Hook... Where's Pan? Hook without Pan around, isn't it like Tom without Jerry? Or Wiley without the Runner? Or Sylvester without Tweety? Yes, I know - lots of cartoons mentioned here, but that's the exact dynamic those two have going ever since they meant - HOOK CHASES PETER. That's the whole point of that guy! So, now that he supposedly have a vendetta against Rumplestilskin, will Pan even going to show up now? Can Hook really work without him? Tell you what - IT DIDN'T WORK this first time around...Time to do casting for some lost boys, stat!

As for Belle and Rumple... I will only believe they are legit as a couple when they do it. A no-doubt-about-it, going-to-bed-heavily-making-out-at-night, waking-up-spooning-with-Belle-having-crazy-after-sex-hair, both-happily-grinning, PG sex scene. Seriously, the idea they may NOT have done the deed kinda piss me off (you carry a torch for your long lost true love for YEARS, but, when you get her back, and she moved in with you... you're not tapping that?... The hell!?) And the thing is, it really DOES feel like those two have never done anything remotely close to second base. Basically, this relationship is missing a whole lot of passion, so, if you really want us to buy into it, OUaT, it's more than time you do a better job at selling it.

End of rant.
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I totally agree w/ you about the Belle and Rumple romance; their relationship seemed weirdly platonic on this episode. I know it's a family-friendly show and all, but they can still have some romance. Especially after that great kiss they had on the season premiere.
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What if Henry is Peter?
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So now Pan would be the grandson of Snow White and Prince Charming... The adopted son of the Evil Queen... and, most probably, also the grandson of Rumplestiltskin on his father side?

Oy... my head hurts...
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Well put, it echoes perfectly my feelings on Milah.



As for Belle and Rumple, I don't really see any chemistry between them.
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No chemistry whatsoever.

I like those two, both as characters and actors, but something drastic must be done to sell us that romance, cause, right now, I'm not at all buying it.
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" 2. Has any woman in the history of time ever been disappointed her husband didn't go to war?"



If you never loved him, you might be disappointed that he didn't go fight ogres and get killed.
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I'd kinda figured she just hated people laughing at her behind her back for marrying someone who wasn't a hero (ie heroically DEAD!), but it all depends on why she married him, doesn't it?
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She reminded me of something I saw on the show "Cops" years (and years) ago, back when they showed the officers' lives OFF duty. One officer came home and did NOT wish to talk about his day (Being married to an ex-cop, I know there are times when they CAN'T discuss their day, and some times when they just don't wish to relive it). His wife had the nerve to actually say, "Why do you think I MARRIED you?" She just jonesed for the juicy stories and the excitement! Mila reminded me of that, although I can't imagine why she married Rumpie in the first place.
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Here's a thought. If Henry could go in and out of Storybrooke before the curse (the pilot he retrieved Emma), why isn't Rumple fighting to gain control of him to send him out to find Bae? Rumple has the magic, and he doesn't seem to be above using tactics like that....seems pretty obvious to me. He can put a tracking spell on him to keep tabs on him etc.
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Why not find Emma and send her? Henry's bright, but I wouldn't send him to find Bae- unless you think that's Henry's dad?
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Emma? Find a person? You mean like some kind of...bounty hunter?
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Well but I thought Emma couldn't leave? Henry was the only one who had successfully left Storybrooke before. Emma tried to leave after she arrived and failed
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Emma DID leave town once, with August when they went to the diner where Emma was first found. So she CAN leave town if she wants. But I'm willing to bet Regina can, too. She didn't have a SB alter ego, so her memories can't be replaced with her cursed memories. I really want to see this come into play at some point.
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No, she was talked out of it. She is one of the few that can come and go because she got here before the curse was cast. Same as Pinocchio (and presumably Bae).
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I think Regina probably could leave Storybrooke, if she chose- so could Emma, if she weren't in FTL. But Emmawas the only one who could break the Curse, and Rumplestiltskin didn't want her to leave before she accomplished that.

Besides, how could he have explained the whole thing to Emma before she believed in magic? She'd have trouble believing his story even now that she does know magic is real!
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I popped in an out of S1, so that explains my lack of knowledge on that topic. With that being said, I still maintain that Henry would be the best choice, if only for the emotional leverage that would hold over the rest of the town. But then, naturally, Emma would leave to find him and since she is/was a bounty hunter, it would be most easily accomplished. Regardless of who it is, I can't believe Rumple/Gold hasn't explored this option yet. Seems blatantly obvious to me
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Yah, at least in Indiana Jones the heart caught on fire... if Rumple crazy laughed doing that it may be more formidable.

No, unless you were married to Hitler. But wishing your husband to go to war is just another cowards way out of not killing him yourself. Lazy... get off the couch and kill your own husband!

Eh, the Rumpbelle storyline was weak, but they needed to break them up (kinda?) cuz we can't have Rumple all happy n'stuff, then what would he cackle about? With him, we need to have equal parts pity and equal parts "Dude, how does the glitter not clump on your face? You must have some serious glitter clump... in places." Ergh.

Frustrated, but I shouldn't have been surprised by this filler episode. We have to establish Storybrooke now as "magical" (kinda?)- where half wolves can smell a petunia a mile away... type of place. *sigh* How quickly we forget that all last season was David as douchebags and fairys as nuns.

Haven't had an Aussie hamburger... is that kangeroo?
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"Get off the couch and kill your own husband"? LOL!

Gotta agree here- Rumplestiltskin having a happy ending would kill half the fun of this series. And the possibilities of "Belle-as-pawn" are wondrous to contemplate...
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"Belle-as-pawn" ?? Explain.
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How many people hate Rumplestiltskin? At least Regina, Hook, and Cora (I imagine her as a vengeful, possibly jilted, student of the Dark One). Plus all the folks who don't like him, and the ones who'd have a free hand if he were out of the way (Maleficient, should she return, heads this list; along with Miss Ginger the Blind Witch)

Now- how many of them know about Belle? Rumplestiltskin's weak spot. None of them are likely to consider Belle as formidable, in and of herself- but attempts to kidnap/ injure/ manipulate her seem almost de riguer given past episodes. If nothing else, his foes will try to widen the rift between the two in hopes of hurting him- Belle's dad might even hire them to try!. Exactly who, when, and how, as well as Belle's reaction to their interference, makes for fascinating possibilities.
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Yah, it's just a matter of time before Belle is taken out by one of Rumple's many foes... igniting his revenge cackle anew.
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Good fairytale land story. Interesting anyways. Rumple is my favorite character though I could care less about Belle and there illogical relationship. The whole mine cart bit was hillariousley ridiculous(of coarse, this is a show about fairytales, so how can on complain).

I find Emma to be a thoroughly irritating character. She is quite stupid in virtually every episode. In other words, I was not disappointed by her absence what so ever. Although she was slightly more tolerable last episode since her moronic outbursts were put in the spotlight and addressed as such(aka. Giant troll bursts out as punishment for her stupidity.)

Back to this episode, did we ever see how rumple got the limp? Then, as the dark one, it was gone. So why does he still have it in storybrook when magic is back? I personally enjoy his mannerisms and hair crimping, am I the only one?

The part of me that absolutely loves frankenstein(the originals anyways) thinks it would be amusing to bring up. However the majority of me is making giggle-snorts. Frankenstein+fairytale= tinker belle with a square head. Hmmmmm...giggle-snort. Why not!?!

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If they do another episode without Emma, Snow, or Regina, I will be ditching this show as fast as humanly possible. Goodwin and Parilla are the strongest talents on OUAT and their absence is crazy apparent. And they started this season wisely changing the entire dynamic (sending Emma and Snow to FTL) and what, we're only entitled to glimpses of it? It was like 2 steps forward, 10 steps back. I'm starting to feel like it's a money thing, because taking 3 principals out of an entire episode feels fiscally responsible more than it feels like a necessary narrative move. (end of aggravation)
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Did anyone else get a chuckle out of the Rumplestiltskin/Charming discussion:

"How did you and Mary Margaret make this work?"

"Rumplestiltskin, are you asking me for dating advice?"

"No! No, of course not..."



Maybe I know too many folks who've been out of the dating loop for a while, but THAT was funnier to me than even the idea of Emma dating ogres.
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