Once Upon a Time "The Doctor" Review: A Patched-Together Abomination

Once Upon a Time S02E05: "The Doctor"


Like please, please please please don't tell me Once Upon a Time went ahead and made black-and-white movies another dimension last night. Maybe that was just a nightmare? A terrible nightmare that they ruined the internal logic of their entire premise to accommodate a "wacky Halloween" episode? It was either a nightmare or it was a slap in the face to viewers, a cheery announcement of, "We know we're ridiculous anyway, so let's just throw another ridiculous thing in here that's seasonally appropriate because none of this matters at all."

And like yeah, okay, none of it does really matter, except that we have invested hours of viewing time, and time matters more than anything else to finite creatures like you and I, and if going forward OUaT is going to throw our time to the winds like it did last night, we might as well call it now and spend that hour doing something fulfilling with our lives, like fostering puppies or making ice cream the old-fashioned way (churning, something with salt, I don't know. Maybe I'll research it next Sunday at 8pm.)

I know many of you were waiting with bated breath to see what Dr. Whale's deal was. Well, he's doctor Frankenstein via black-and-white movies, with Tin Tin hair, and that works seamlessly with the rest of the plot, doesn't it? I know Frankenstein, or The Modern Prometheus, was a book first but as James Whale directed the original Frankenstein movie, it's pretty clear that’s what they’re grounding him in. And would it be that much better if they were referencing the original book? It was a very serious and melancholy allegory, nothing like a fairy tale, and part of the reason fairy tales can work conceptually for this show as being the history of another dimension is that there's no specific source for fairy tales. The same tropes recur throughout different cultures, they were collected by anthologists but written in an uncertain, long-ago time by a collective folk voice (except for Pinnochio and Peter Pan, which have been shoehorned into OUaT but I've let slide because I figured Disney put pressure on OUaT to use the whole Disney catalog).

That's very different than plopping Shelley's brainchild via '30s director James Whale into the show. It's far more offensive than the Alice in Wonderland dimension because at least Wonderland is portrayed in its source material as a land, with a portal you can enter from our world. There was an elegance to that logic.

The world of 1930s Hollywood, however, offers no such entry, and it bends the logic to the point of breaking it to say any genre of entertainment can become another dimension. (Is there a "'70 action movie" land too?) If the writers sacrificed the threadbare logic of the show thinking it would be a whimsical Halloween "treat" for us, then shame, shame, shame on them. I'd like to think the world I'm investing past and future spare time in has foundations more concrete than the "seasonal" aisle at Rite Aid. Would Game of Thrones do a Halloween episode? No, because Game of Thrones actually has a story to tell and no time to waste, mine or its own. And it will be creepy long past the holidays are over that Snow had an affair with a man who stitched corpses together, and who also showed up in Fairy-Tale Land with a middle part, which is something only worn by MADMEN.

We did get to see the princesses this week but somehow that just makes me angrier. I would have happily watched them for an hour rather than slog through a go-nowhere plot about a dead man come to life and a character turn that actually made me like Regina less than I had before.

Most people who suffer a terrible loss don't turn into cold-blooded murderers, so Regina is officially a psychopath and I don't know that talkin' it out with Jiminy Cricket is really going to help. Although I am a little relieved that she inherited her vault of hearts from her mother and didn't pluck them all out herself. Still, why did she slay that woman in a Yandy's gypsy costume for no reason? That was rude!

And also, horse hearts are HUGE (the average is seven pounds!) so I don't know what all this was about:

I'm not going to start nitpicking, nitpicking is the defense of a petty mind. There were enough huge glaring errors that you don't have to put this turd under a microscope to declare it pure crap. Just when I was letting myself "go" with OUaT's shaky premise, similar to how I'll succumb to laugh gas in a dentist's office rather than face excruciating pain, we got to the stables scene where Daniel appeared as a hunky and deadly monster.

Yes, as much as we all enjoyed Henry getting a good scare while mucking out his pony's stable, the face-off between Daniel and Regina was embarrassing. And not because of Lana Parrilla, but rather the contrast of Parrilla, an incredible actress, across from an unworthy scene partner. Like, he needed about one-and-a-half more acting lessons to pull off that Frankenstein angry / then Daniel remembers you / then Daniel mentally fights Frankenstein transition. It was kind of cheesy, guys. Maybe it's not even his fault, maybe a sound effect would have helped? It was like a high school play kind of special effect, that acting transition. It was bad.

My eyes were rolling like dice during this scene, and then Regina vaporized him, a power we've not seen her display before but you'd think would have saved her a lot of time and energy in the past. Maybe she just removed the preservation spell and he rapidly disintegrated into dust ? I'm sure I just put more thought into it than the writers did by typing out that sentence, and why as a viewer should I do that work for them when they are LAUGHING AT US with this episode for enjoying the show in the first place? That's how this episode made me feel, like they figured we'll swallow anything so BRING ON THE HORSE PILLS and coat them with crap.

And because I now feel like an evil troll living under a bridge, I will say there were good parts, small moments strewn through this mixed bag of disaster like mini Snickers in a Halloween trick-or-treatin' pillow case:

– Dr. Whale carrying his own arm in a cooler made me laugh.

– For once, Emma caught someone in a lie, and dare I suggest she and Hook might develop a scruffy, rapscallion kind of chemistry?

– An actual Lucite coffin was built for this episode.

– Regina, in her FTL flashbacks, seemed to have a head cold (you could hear her voice was kind of raggedy), and all I could think was, wow, what a pro, Lana Parrilla shows up sick to film this shitty shit writing. Someone get her in a serious film that will make the most of her skills.

– That's about it.


QUESTIONS:

1. Do you think they'll ever return to the 1930s black-and-white-film land, or was that a seasonal tangent?

2. Are you as angry as me or were you enjoying your day and the memory of last night’s episode until I came along like a sourpuss?

3. Does anyone at the wheel of this show have a map or are they just cashing checks while the sun shines?

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Nov 09, 2012
The only good thing that can come out of this is the hope to some day watch snow slaying a dragon with a lightsaber (that could happen given this rules and Disney's properties right?)
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Nov 05, 2012
Well if you don't like the combination of "real world" stories and "fairy tale" stories gird your loins people. The sneak peeks show Emma hooking up back in Tallahassee with a young man by the name of Neal Cassady. It's only a matter of time before Atticus Finch defends one of them in court.
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Nov 05, 2012
Next year people will complain about SLeepy Hollow being Introduced Give me a fricken break people
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Nov 04, 2012
worst episode ever for OUaT. Frankenstein? Seriously? Im hoping come next week we can just all wipe this one from memory, that somehow this just didn't happen.
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Nov 04, 2012
Somebody is very angry! I don't think this show is meant to be taken so seriously, and to compare it to Game of Thrones is ridiculous. It's a family, Disney-inspired, show. Fairy tales can be dark, but this is not a dark show. And Halloween episodes, most of the time, are separate from the regular plotline of a series. For example, one of our family favourites, Two Guys and a Girl, has a great Halloween episode that we rewatch every year where the main characters end up shrunken in a shoebox and eaten by a cat. They reappeared unscathed the following week.

So, try not to take it all so seriously. You didn't enjoy this episode...that's okay, you will quite likely enjoy the next one. Everyone will have different favourites. But I for one will stop reading these reviews if they are going to be so overwhelmingly negative.

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Nov 05, 2012
Two Guys and a Girl is a sitcom, meaning the world intentionally resets to status quo every week, white OUAT is a serialized drama. So actually its in the same genre as Game of Thrones, not Two Guys and a Girl. It has nowhere near the same budget, but a good story and fine dialogue cost nothing- only effort.

I honestly don't like to be so negative in reviews. If you go through my history of reviewing OUAT you'll find many more positives than negatives. But I have to stay honest and honestly this episode infuriated me- as i did a number of other commenters in this thread.
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Feb 27, 2014
The only positive i can take from this episode, is the Regina parts. Everything else was crap. I felt for Regina, even though the story was bad. It was nice to see how Regina, started down the road to evil.
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Nov 06, 2012
I am well aware that Two Guys and a Girl is a sitcom, but sitcoms are also serialized. They have continuing plots and their characters do not generally die at the end of an episode and reappear at the beginning of the next. I was making a reference to the frequent "stand-alone" nature of Halloween episodes.



Also, after reading your review of the current week's episode of OUAT, it appears you do like to be negative in your reviews of this show. That is your prerogative, obviously, but it isn't enjoyable to read for those of us who love the show. So, you can stay honest, but I believe you will lose a number of readers, including myself.
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Nov 04, 2012
This was, without a doubt, the WORST episode of OUaT that I have ever seen. Strike one. Three strikes & they're out. I will NOT watch this show if they insist on making stupid episodes like this one. Just horrible.
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Nov 04, 2012
I love this show! Its crazy and full of fun!
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Nov 03, 2012
Dunno if anyone's mentioned this in the comments, but I heard they're going to throw Tron universe into the mythology...that was 2/3 weeks ago, so since then, I've kind of been pretty well prepared for them to do anything. It's kind of ridiculous, but then, this show isn't one I take extremely seriously. As you said, Game of Thrones will never do a 'Halloween episode' - although I don't necessarily consider this a Halloween episode despite timing, it was no scarier than any other episode - but Game of Thrones and Once Upon A Time a pretty different, not just in terms of storytelling or scope, but overall logic. GoT, and many other shows, seem to at least do their level best to plot meticulously and make sense of their story for viewers. OUaT has had numerous plot holes so far, and frankly, it can be a chore to remember to come back to it. But, obviously there are reasons to come back. The way the mix all their tales into this strange, magical cocktail is pretty much reason number one - or two, can't decide if it's more allurin than Lara Parrilla's scene prsence, and Robert Carlyle for that matter - for coming back, and even though not all the characters are very well written, or all that enticing, I'd say only one or two continue to confuse me (can Belle's story stop being romantic drama exclusively?) I'm not sure the legend of King Arthur necessarily constitutes as a fairytale, so Lancelot showing up was personally - had I not heard the Tron thing earlier - a clear message theat they would be branching out. And there's enough in this show that works to its favour to forgive those massive logic gaps.
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Nov 03, 2012
That is so wrong. Do these people have no shame? Oh, right, they do not. Nevermind.
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Nov 02, 2012
Right up until the very end I thought he might have been the Wizard of Oz (they mentioned slippers that opened portals and called him a wizard at one point. heart needed for the tin man...he was even wearing green!) I could have let that go because of the whole other world idea (and Regina could go searching for a hot air balloon hidden somewhere in Gold's shop). It may not be a classic folktale but at least its whimsical.

But Frankenstein makes no sense at all. It's not a classic story, it's set in 'the real world.' It just doesn't fit.

YES they definitely planned it from the beginning, you can tell by character's name. But whoever came up with it should have been fired. Stupid idea! Now they need to either kill the character off so we can all pretend it was all a dream... or just ignore it forever... so we can all pretend it was all a dream.
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Nov 03, 2012
Mentioned this earlier- What if they're going to combine the 2? "Wizard of Oz" begins and ends in "our" world, in black and white, just like this episode...

That's the only way I can make any sense out of this!
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Nov 02, 2012
Thank you for succinctly putting what I have been ranting about for weeks. Frankenstein is set in the real world, it just doesn't fit. Perfect way to say it.
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Nov 03, 2012
Most fairy tales were set in the "real world" for their time. Your perspective is just off. Apparently, the 19th century isn't far enough removed for you. Little Red Riding Hood was set in the real world somewhere around the 14th to 16th century.
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Nov 04, 2012
No, not real world. They weren't doing real fairytales/folklore they are doing Disney fairytales where the "story book" opens and it starts "Once upon a time in a land far far away." It's in the title of the show, it was in the name of the town it in the book that Henry carried around. It was a decent idea (done before sure, but still offered promise). But they couldn't stick to it. They couldn't stick to ideas about "happy endings." They couldn't stick to what they promised us day 1 because either they are incompetent storytellers or they aren't creatively intriguing enough to surprise their audience without changing the rules constantly to support new "theories" that never tie back to an overarching message.
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Nov 05, 2012
No, Cinderella's castle was knocked down years ago, it is distant in both time and geography. No fairy tale has meaning unless it happened in our world. There's no hope if they happened somewhere else. They are supposed to make you believe there is magic in the world that you can find if you look hard enough.
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Nov 05, 2012
@Saf--"Take a boat" ?? Huh? No, I didn't grow thinking they were aliens? That makes no sense. Do you think you can take a boat ride to Cinderella's castle?, maybe you can find the "bridge" to Terabithia, while you're at it.

The point is that it is an indeterminate time and place that is "other" to our world and our history. It is a world in which good overcomes, magic intervenes, and people have "happily ever afters." The idea of displacing that to our world, modern, cynical, scientific, was supposed to be part of the underlying message. But taking things like Frankenstein which is neither "other" nor hopeful, undermines that juxtaposition.
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Nov 04, 2012
I think the phrase "Billy Pilgrim has come unstuck in time" kinda captures the same sense of disconnect, in a more modern vernacular.

I really wish there was less preoccupation with Disney lately (hard to ignore them, I realize, but there's so much else out there!) and maybe a little more of FTL. Still, the vituperation has us at the top of the "most commented posts" this week
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Nov 04, 2012
I think you misunderstand. "Once upon a time in a land far far away" doesn't mean another world in most fairy tales. It means you have to take a boat to get there. It's just a mechanism to make people not get picky about the details and say things like "I've never heard of that king, country, prince, princess, castle, ball, monster, whatever." You are give distance in both geography and time to help with your suspension of disbelief. You didn't seriously believe Cinderella was an alien your whole life did you? She's just a girl from a vague time and place over the horizon.
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Nov 03, 2012
the real world? last i checked ive never seen a Frankenstein monster running around my neighborhood. it from a movie/book therefore its fair game to be another world.
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Nov 03, 2012
That's like saying put characters from 500 Days of Summer in FTL...the problem is that Frankenstein, in OUaT, originally came from an alternate universe. When you read something, or watch something, based in OUR world, even if it's a stretch of the imagination, it's kind of strange to have them pop up as some part of an alternate world where the Mad Hatter can take them to another iniverse to dabble in magic. The complaint is that even in a show with a plot as odd and twisty as this one, throwing Frankenstein in there is just...weird. They're changing Frankenstein's entire story. Whereas all the fairytale characters still have most of their story, situated in the same place, Frankenstein's transported from our world to somewhere ELSE. It doesn't bother me quite so much either, but understand where they're coming from with this. It's illogical.
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Nov 02, 2012
This show is light and fluffy and abstract and warrants as little analyzing as possible. Because the plot holes are glaring, like how if the town is isolated and no one comes in and noone goes out, how do they have all the electricity, food, cars, technology etc. Its a fun show if u can take it unseriously. And saying that its my number one favourite show on tv at the moment. Snow White is Hot!
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Nov 04, 2012
I get the idea of not dissecting gossamer, but there comes a point when the logic holes distract from the emotional logic needed to keep a show engaging. As in this episode, where we spent 2 minutes with Hook,Emma and Snow for an agonzing, senseless, prolonged examination of Frankenstein that netted us zero progress and zero fun.
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Nov 04, 2012
Are you sure the fabric of this particular episode wasn't the "rotting-mummy" cheesecloth they sell for Halloween decorations?

Congrats on topping the chart for this one, Lily- 500+ may be a record for this show- so you've done what a reviewer should do: generate discussion and possibly get people thinking!
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Nov 02, 2012
I like that fact that show is opened for all book in a different lands

that give allot of possibilities. I was so thrilled when they introduce Arthur land

This episode was not so bad I can get around all the mistakes you mention

but I find some thing the show seem to neglect

1 Emma and Snow Kind of have the upper hand coming from our world they know all the stories and basically what to expect in every land as oppose to Cora and Hook

2 for someone from the modern world like Emma coming to a fairytale world would mean

a. there is no soap and people live like the dark ages it means that everyone stinks

b. there is no bathroom ? I mean where do people do there 1 and 2

c. walking around all day around the land with no food and water I mean that is ridicules



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Nov 03, 2012
Ever gone camping? Even us "modern" folks can manage in the woods with a little forethought. And if the only thing you're wondering about is the sanitary arrangements, you must have a copy of the scripts for the next few episodes hidden under your pillow...
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Nov 02, 2012
Wait, is that David Anders and Sebastian Stan? Why do I not watch this show?
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Nov 02, 2012
Sebastian Stan is my jam.
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Nov 02, 2012
Its too bad that "Swingtown" didn't catch on because that was the Lana Parrilla show that should be on the air. (Why don't they get Grant Show to play a love interest for Regina?) This episode crap? This entire show has been this crappy. Lana Parrilla is so much better than this role. Noah Bean just picked up a paycheck for this episode -- he isn't that bad on his regular show which is a much better show that this. Hell he's running Division now on "Nikita". There are really a lot worse actors on this show and that have been on this show than Noah Bean. Look no further than the wig stand and the annoying child actor. There's Parrilla, there's Goodwin, there's Carlyle and now they have Sara Bolger and the list of decent character actors ends there. Jennifer Morrison and Josh Dallas are just so miserably bad they spoil the entire show.
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Nov 02, 2012
Say what you will about the writing, but at this point they've introduced so many characters that if you say there are only 4 decent actors you have insulted 3/4 of the people in Hollywood, including Giancarlo Esposito and Richard Schiff. You may be overstating a touch.
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Nov 02, 2012
This post cracked me up.
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Nov 02, 2012
It feels like a patchwork this season. Before at least (with few exceptions) they only featured characters from classic Grimm's tales. It felt like a much more complete world. Sticking random fictional characters into the mix harms plot cohesion gravely. Welcome to Disneyworld (hey, now they could add Yoda! ;-)).
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Nov 02, 2012
Just an observation. Go to the Once Upon a Time official facebook page. Read their "About" info. Here, I'll help you: http://www.facebook.com/#!/OnceABC/info

Now, as I've said before, my biggest beef with this show isn't their inclusion of non-fairytale characters. That has been litigated in these comments pretty brutally, and I'm not interested in stoking a fire that can be read about below. One of the main problems I have with Once is consistency. The word fairytale is included six times in the official description of the show. It is also included in the ABC.com description of the show. I know a lot of people have no problem whatsoever with straying from this original premise. But the main issue (and I think where at least some of the frustration with this episode comes from) is that we have been guessing about character identities since the beginning. We met Dr. Whale early in Season 1, and he's been the longest-running mystery of all. We expected some sort of consistency in the makeup of cursed individuals, and that gave us a narrow band of characters on which to speculate. From here on out, most of the fun in wondering who the unknown characters are will be gone. The pool from which we can choose is so diluted that it won't be as enjoyable, meaning their reveals will also be less enjoyable, meaning a huge draw will be missing from the show. There may be those who will really like the idea that the next unfamiliar face we see could be Jack the Ripper or a power ranger or a ninja turtle - I don't begrudge them that enjoyment. But it is not consistent with what they set out to do, in their own words, still publicy displayed on official media pages.
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Nov 02, 2012
Gee, the publicity campaign isn't consistent with reality? I'm stunned. Next thing you'll tell me The Vampire Diaries wasn't always about the love triangle that was introduced half way through the first season.
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Nov 02, 2012
I'm not familiar with The Vampire Diaries, but am I right to assume that it isn't set up in a way that asks its viewers to predict the identities of its characters based on self-imposed parameters (which are repeatedly stated in multiple venues where viewers would go to glean information about the series and then disregarded in the actual show itself)?

Maybe I'm naive to think that a show would be about what it purports to be about. But at least when it ceases to abide by its original rules they should update accessible information accordingly so that viewers aren't disappointed or frustrated.

Like I said, I have way bigger complaints with this show than non-FT characters. But this is a matter of being consistent. That's the only way to create a good fantasy show - viewers can live with rules, even stupid ones, as long as they always apply. If they want to change course midstream, clearly nobody can stop them. But it's going to piss off a lot of people who have spent a good bit of their time invested in the speculation about these characters' identities. And a majority of the comments below stand as proof.

Their audience will change soon. I read several Once reviews each week, and I have yet to read a single one that has found this season successful. People are disappointed. It's not a personal attack on anyone, and to the people who think this show is doing everything right, I admire your propensity for forgiveness. I just don't see how anyone, fan or foe, can say that Once is a consistent piece of television.
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Nov 02, 2012
Of course not. There's no such thing as a perfect analogy. The Vampire Diaries has a show runner who likes to go around saying that the show was always about a love triangle, when in fact, that triangle didn't exist at the beginning of the show. The point being it is another show that is about something other than its press/showrunner says it is about. The publicity machine is all spin. There is no such thing as truth in advertising. Politicians and executives also don't retire to spend time with their families.

The fairy tales were the advertising hook and it worked on you. You were fooled. Take it as an object lesson. The press for the show was never going to say "this is a vehicle for monetizing our stale properties", but that's what it has been from day one. Learn to be more jaded and you'll never be disappointed.

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Nov 05, 2012
I think you need to rewatch the beginning of season one of TVD. You're believing the retcon.



Press is a synonym for lying. Your statement lacks meaning.
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Nov 05, 2012
I'm not sure what you are talking about. The triangle (such as it is) has always been present in TVD. Both brothers loved Katherine, both brothers loved Elena. I haven't read the books but I thought the triangle was in there too.



There's very little reason to "lie" in a press tour. Unless the showrunners have no idea about their story, which has happened. And I wouldn't put it past Kitsis and Horowitz to have no clue what they are doing or where they intend to go. But in their heads, they thought they were doing fairytales.
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Nov 04, 2012
And Plec gives interviews saying the vampire diaries was always about the love triangle that wasn't there at the beginning. It's called a press tour and it's just about getting free advertising, not an honest analysis of the work.
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Nov 03, 2012
At the beginning of the show, Kitsis and Horowitz gave interviews saying they were basing it on fairytales because of the "happy ending" component and the hope that is inherent in [modern retellings of] them.
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Nov 03, 2012
I just don't see how you can "fully believe" something that is patently false as demonstrated so obviously by Dr. Whale's name and brought to our attention in this very review. Frankenstein was part of the plan from day one. There was no course change.
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Nov 02, 2012
I don't care about fake publicity if it is solely to up viewership. I don't think that's what this is. In what way are fairytales a better advertising hook than just saying "childhood characters" or "fictional characters"? I fully believe they started out with the fairytale idea and changed course midstream. Which is fine, like I said - who can stop them? I'm just explaining why people are upset, since everyone has gotten into such a tizzy about people looking at this show with anything but a Stepford smile.
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Nov 02, 2012
I think you're being too hard on this episode. It has a few weak points, but I enjoyed it for the most part, and it provided some important pieces of the puzzle (Dr. Whale's identity, Regina and Jefferson's first meeting, confirmation of rules about heart ripping and hat-portal realm-jumping, etc.). The black-and-white thing was a stretch, but mainly because we used to have black-and-white movies. The idea of a realm that lacks the full color spectrum we know is interesting. I would be more concerned about this direction were it not for the fact that David Anders has known he was playing Frankenstein from day 1 of his time on the show, and Kitsis and Horowitz have had this planned from nearly the beginning of the series.



My advice is to just let it play out. After "Dreamy" I was fairly frustrated by dwarves hatching fully grown and fully clothed (though, let's be honest, I'm quite thankful for the latter in light of the former) and annoyed by the childishness of the fairy business. Ultimately, however, none of that has had a significant effect on the show since then.



By the way, has anyone ever told you that you have really weird issues with hair? ;)
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Nov 02, 2012
I think the next magic land they could visit in Once Upon a Time is "Flatland" from the book by Edwin Abbott. Check it out and you'll see what I mean.
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Nov 03, 2012
Great story, but awfully hard to film!
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Nov 03, 2012
Yeah, it would be fun to watch Regina battling 2D geometric figures.
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Nov 02, 2012
I liked the Doctor Frankenstein story line (It was wacky and unexpected, sheer entertainment) much better than that of these four women randomly walking through the forest. Emma has absolutely nothing to do there. And I couldn't care for Hook.
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Nov 01, 2012
As for the comment that Regina went evil because of a loss... I have a feeling it was baby steps. We've already seen that her mother was a real piece of work. Evil, manipulative, sadistic with her magic, etc. A lifetime of that sent her well on her way. The loss of her fiance (at her hands) and the knowledge that not even magic could undo it pushed her over the edge.

I'm not saying bad parents made psycho killers... but evil maniacal parents probably increase the odds of it happening a large %
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Nov 01, 2012
First of all, Tintin is a one word name, Lilly - you're not suppose to write it like 'Tin Tin'. I really shouldn't point out something so obviously anymore, given Spielberg made a whole damn movie about the guy, so...

No, this was a strong episode - definitely a weak-ass Halloween themed story that was as pointless as it comes. I don't necessary have a problem with the Hatter traveling to different books dimensions, but, undoubtedly, the overall execution here was really terrible.

If anything, this episode only manage to make me care less about Whale.Doubt that was what the showrunner was looking for... let's all hope they get back on the horse by next weekend.
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Nov 02, 2012
*cough*Grammar!Troll*cough*
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Nov 02, 2012
Speaking of easily avoided typos, my name (in bold at the top of the page) is Lily, not Lilly.
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Nov 01, 2012
This review i just read from you Lily, was completely waste of my time....then watching OUAT..this episode....



So what, we had a black and white moment...who cares...as long as they don't continue with it...because i think the story should stay between the fairytale world and the Storybrooke world...but there is this Hatted guy, who can travel to different worlds...what about that???



I thought seeing Regina, like this, in this episode was refreshing...but somehow in the end, when she killed that girl and smashed her heart with her hands...the way she looked with teh dress and look she had in het eyes, was lovely to see again...i don't mind if regina becomes a bit softer, but still the evil one...!!



I think that Sleeping Beauty is actally a waste of time and money they spend on the character...she has nothing ot add to the group. Mulan, Snow and Emma are at least pro-active...she just tag a long, can't find or anything...so pointless...



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Nov 01, 2012
I don't have a huge problem with black-and-white Frankenstein land.

As we saw in the Hatter's episode... there are LOTS of doors all going to fictional lands. Fairy Tale land is just one door out of many. Who's to say WHAT fictional worlds they have access to. Maybe it's not the origin of the tales so much as just a fictional multi-verse. After all, the origins for FTL are hundreds of years old yet the events of Snow White appeared to only happen 30 years ago (or so).

So, a land based on old black-and-white films (instead of the original books) isn't that far-fetched.

The one thing to be WORRIED about, is since Disney owns Marvel AND StarWars now that we'll see Wolverine or Jedi running around.
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Nov 01, 2012
IMO, i think the Frankenstein thing was a bit silly.
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Nov 01, 2012
Yeah, you're right, this episode pissed me off. I was going to let it slide that Disney has them by the leash, but then this, this is just nonsense!
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Nov 01, 2012
UUUGH!!!!! You sound like a BABY! Stop watching the show for what you want it to be and watch it for what it is!!!!!



OUAT is a smorgasbord of every farytale and book character meets! I LOVE the direction of the show and some of ur points I have to address.



Now I can understand where you are going with the whole Frankinstein thing, but Whales character is probably more so based on the original story book version (hence the name) but I think it was a GREAT idea to visually present his world the way it was portrayed in the movie. A lot of the people watching ths, particularly the younger crowd wont identify with the story book version but everyone identifies with the movie...i mean what person hasnt seen that scene before? I mean even Phinneas and Ferb has done an episode based it it. ITS FAMILIAR. and I think the name Dr Whale was a nice touch for fans of the literature. ( I didnt know that until I read this post)



I can agree with you on Regina's love interest...his acting needed help and he took that scene in the wrong direction but Regina didn't disintegrated him, she had placed a preservation spell on him and he was being held together by magic. I think just released the spell and his body just fell apart.



I love the fact that the two worlds are converging, I think season one was a great set up for season two where the worlds are swapping out pieces (Mary Margret and Emma in the Fairytale world and magic in the non magic world). And now things are getting interesting!.



BTW I WAS COMPLETELY MINDFUCKED! When Hook called Rumpelstiltskin the crocodail then I realized that he had scaly skin and his favorite phrase is TICK TOCK !!
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Nov 01, 2012
I thought you knew, I am 23 months old and am a baby blogging genius. Didn't you read the Times article about me? I wrote this while in a booster seat.
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Nov 01, 2012
That explains everything!
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Nov 01, 2012
Right....worst review/ opinion ...........EVER
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Nov 02, 2012
Why do you hate babies so much?
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Nov 01, 2012
Guys, now that Disney owns Star Wars, I think we should all just brace ourselves for an onslaught of crazy on this show. I will never hate watch this or any series but maybe I should just cut the brake lines on my critical though processes while watching OUAT and start analyzing it more as a product and less as any kind of authentic narrative/emotional expression. Perhaps I was naive to ever look at it that way. No, Virginia, there is not a Santa Claus.
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Nov 04, 2012
I'm very close to quitting this show. How can they go against their own premise by including Frankenstein? It was awful to me. If they include Star Wars or Marvel characters (which Disney also owns) I think they'd be canceled for sure.
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Nov 01, 2012
NOOOOOOOO!!!!
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Nov 01, 2012
'Fraid so, Lily, 'fraid so. I wonder, too, if the fact that the producers and writers are so often the same people also sets this show up for its all too frequent 'Emperor Has No Clothes' moments. (Say! Perhaps we can look forward to an episode featuring a naked emperor!!!) But I doubt that anyone associated directly with the show (and accordingly drawing a paycheck) is gonna tell them anything more than 'Gee, you guys are such greeeeaaat writers!'



So I think you are correct to gear yourself for more of the same. Isn't it touching, however, that there are so many of us who can't quite stop ourselves from caring??
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Nov 03, 2012
SO... who do YOU want to play the naked Emperor? As if we need more posts here...
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Nov 01, 2012
I will say this. If the writers incorporate Star Wars into this, then I will be complaining. That would be taking it too far. The writers still haven't broken any of their rules. I have a feeling Star Wars would be stretching it. As I doubt the writers will allow it to happen, I'm not too worried.



However....Jar Jar Binks?
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Nov 01, 2012
They said they'd do Jack Sparrow if Johnny Depp would do it. If they are willing to do a character from a movie based on a ride, they really have no limits.
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Nov 02, 2012
What with this whole "magic compass" thing at the top of the beanstalk, I have little doubt they want to bring Sparrow in. His compass points to the thing you want most. It's open season.
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Nov 02, 2012
Oh god I forgot about The Golden Compass! *groan* Just what we need, Emma riding an armored polar bear to the rescue. Please let it just be a regular freaking compass that points to different realms. Or at worst, get Tink to sprinkle them so they can take the second star to the right and straight on til morning.
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Nov 02, 2012
Not "The Golden Compass"? (I have no idea what that is, but I think it was Disney). I'm taking them at their word they won't do Sparrow because they can't get Depp.
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Nov 01, 2012
I wouldn't mind that ONLY if Johnny Depp would do it. THey have Captain Hook, it could be written well.
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Nov 01, 2012
Just had a horrible, HORRIBLE vision in which Henry's father turns out to be Darth Vader....complete with cheesy lines and all!! *shudders* I'm scared, Lily....
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Nov 01, 2012
Getting worried, you are....



It wouldn't surprise me if Gold turns out to become Yoda soon...
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Oct 31, 2012
This season has been a mess as it is missing the distinctions between the two worlds. The show has more questions than answers about the effect the return of magic on Storybrook and now that magic exists everywhere the introduction of all these new characters is confusing.

The show lacks focus as most of the 'bad guys' have redeeming qualities and the 'good guys' can be annoying. That dynamic works great in dramas but this is built on a fairytale world and expectations are different. I'm to the point I'm not sure if I like any of the characters anymore which is the first step of not watching the show altogether.

They need to allow travel between the worlds, let alliances form, and have epic battles between delineated good and evil. That is a show worth watching. I thought when they brought magic back it would open up the storyline but this flavor of the week method is getting old quick.
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Oct 31, 2012
@Frankenstein & Disney: didn't Disney produce Tim Burton's Frankenweenie?
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Oct 31, 2012
Season 2 has been awful compared to Season 1. I think I still watch because 'evil' Rumpelstiltskin is so great.
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Oct 31, 2012
This episode was a bit squirelly, but I was impressed with Regina's facial crying as she poofed her fiance. Rumpelstilskin weird voice and mannerisms are getting on my nerves.
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Nov 01, 2012
With you on both counts. Love your use of the word poofed.
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Oct 31, 2012
I never thought for a moment there was a '1930 black-and-white film land'. The black and white factor may be a reference to the movies along with the whale part, but I only thought it was appropriate for the tone of Dr. Frankestein story. It's dark, sinister, creepy, it SHOULD be gray and not colorful like the other worlds.



Also, for everybody complaining about not having enough princesses... This show have so many interesting characters. I thought it was amazing how it put together Jefferson, Victor, Rumple and Regina... it would be weird (and boring) to have only the princesses, David, Henry and Regina doing something. They are important, all right, but we have a lot of main characters of other stories put together and great actors, let them shine a little people.



Bout Regina being a psychopath... I kinda understand she abandoned all hope and let herself be dragged to the dark side, but yeah, the execution was poorly executed.
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Oct 31, 2012
Have you heard? Indiana Jones and Luke Skywalker are coming to storybrooke!
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Oct 31, 2012
This show is spiraling out of control with the introduction of all the different dimensions and characters that are not fairy tale. Season one was solid because it stuck to the idea that the characters were -- well, stuck, and because it was all fairy tale. Suddenly, despite being unable to cross into other universes they can always find a way to do just that, and find JUST the right fairy-tale character/literary figure to fill the needs of the characters in the show and the current crisis, kind of the way Heroes suddenly came up with a hero who could bring people back to life when a main character was killed, or a hero who could transfer powers when powers needed to be transferred, etc. It's become too complex and ridiculous, and won't survive to a third season if it doesn't reign things in and stop all the multiple-dimension crap.



I don't think the Dr. Frankenstein thing (which I pegged immediately) was meant to be seasonal, and all the more's the shame because while they probably won't return to that universe, they'll still keep bringing in other equally ridiculous ones from here on in. Robert Carlyle is now the only good thing in the show.
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Nov 04, 2012
I totally agree!
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Nov 01, 2012
Very well said...it will be interesting to see which way this thing tips as it sinks under the weight of so many slapped on storylines.
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Oct 31, 2012
For some reason I don't think it was a seasonal tangent, I think it reflects what the writers want to do, which is expand out of pure fairy tale into whatever the hell they want. So, black-n-white science land, is just another dimension along with Oz, Fairy tale land, Wonderland, etc. One thing I do wonder is how far they can take it. Will we see Mother Nature? Atticus Finch? That lion from Narnia? If it's not obvious, I'm not a huge fan of the expanding universe, so I don't think you're being a sourpuss.
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Nov 03, 2012
Pretty sure they've declared Aslan off-limits; but can't find the supporting reference. Still, C. S. Lewis' Christian allegory might fit nicely with the Arthurian motif of the Holy Grail. And Lewis had Bacchus and the Maeneads running around during a battle, which I personally would LOVE...
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Nov 03, 2012
Disney, while involved in the Narnia movies, does not own the rights, and probably couldn't get them.
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Oct 31, 2012
Incidentally, fair is fair, and I remember a rather intelligent rant by a certain Lily Sparks, in a review of one show from season 1, where she talked about a 'land without magic' having something even more powerfulscience.

Hmmmintellectual property rights are so very slippery these days, aren't they?

Etiology aside, that is another interesting notion that the show has not yet developed - Lily, perhaps they need you to first write about it :-) In FTL, I'll assume a ratio of about 1:10,000 royalty to peasants. And yet these people want to go back to being indentured to fight in wars that have nothing to do with their welfare, die of infections from a scratch, and have a fancy meal consist of gruel made with lamb's blood rather than just oats?

Back to Lily's original point from last year, magic versus science, indeed. I might understand the royals wanting to return. But if I were any of the townsfolk, I'd be re-electing Regina in a heartbeat (even if I needed to take a few extra hearts from the vault), declare Emma the best sheriff NOT from Nottingham, and enshrine Granny's as a Michelin 5 Star restaurant.

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Nov 01, 2012
I better get out my serious stationary and start drafting a letter to ABC. I did kind of get miffed about the whole "magic is greater than science" message, when Magic sends a rover to space or genetically modifies wheat so millions don't starve we'll have something to talk about on that front.

You have to wonder if Jiminy Cricket isn't totally stoked about how the curse shook out from him. Went from being a g-d cricket with an umbrella to a well-to-do psychiatrist. Also, Rumple can now be magic and also have nice teeth. Kind of an upgrade all around for the non-royals.
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Oct 31, 2012
Hahaha, exactly! I remember thinking several times last season, "What the hell is so awful about this curse?" She said she was taking them "somewhere horrible", and they wind up in upper middle class homes, working steady jobs they love, suffering from a bit of angst in the wealthiest nation on the planet. Granted, it's a TV show and they have to make it palatable. But what's the bigger curse - not remembering who you are while sipping hot cocoa in a lace camisole or waking up in a war-ravaged nation where your life is about sheer survival? Places like that exist in our world, and Regina didn't take them there. Somehow this Dark Curse, this most foul of all magic, just pegged Maine as hell instead.
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Nov 03, 2012
Lack of imagination on Regina's part, I guess... All the royals are now commoners, and they have to work at crappy jobs for a living. But could the choice of location be tied to Rumplestiltskin's need to find Bae?
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Oct 31, 2012
well, since the point of the curse was to steal their happiness, presuambly only the happy people are here or the people here are in even worse situations than they were back home. Or Fairytale Land really just is that damn happy for everyone living there.
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Oct 31, 2012
Really? I was thinking more like 1:1000 or 1:2000, though the characters introduced so far, suggest it is more like 1:20.
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Oct 31, 2012
every time frankestain came on i said science! like in the thomas dolby song and i laughed and at the end he actually said "science" and i laughed till i die , so at least i lol hard at this episode
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Oct 31, 2012
Lana Parrilla may have broad metaphorical shoulders as an actor, but even she couldn't push this boulder up a hill. Lily, while I agree that your current review sounds just a bit, ahem, dyspepsic, it also shows how much you genuinely care about this show. It is frustrating to see such a clever concept first stamped 'Taken', and then possibly stamped 'Squandered'. And, to me, the heart of the show remains the potentially vast human dynamics amongst the most dysfunctional family since Shakespeare: Snow, Regina, Emma and Henry. Wonderful, wonderful stuff!!!



Given all that potential, I, too, sometimes wonder if the writers are purposely dissing us, while laughing all the way to the bank. Or if they may simply be incapable of writing material with genuine emotional resonance.



But then I wonder, and this is a genuine question for the forum, are there other shows out there, past or present, that have succeeded in holding adult viewers while also entertaining kids as young as 6 or 7 as family fare? I honestly can't think of any, but then I don't watch that much TV anymore (not that I don't still enjoy TV, but the black hole of cyberspace communications now takes up so much of my time). Perhaps these producers, out of ignorance, arrogance, or a combination of both, have simply tried for an unrealistically broad audience, and thus, failed to write in a focused, consistent or powerful manner for any of their constituents.



Thoughts?

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Nov 01, 2012
Interesting...



So, from your feedback, it seems that each show named either had 1 anchor character whom you could know would ALWAYS be a part of each show, or a very tight, small and consistent ensemble. So then, even if other characters or plots were introduced willy-nilly to increase the entertainment value, they would be held in 'orbit', as it were, by the central core.



That, certainly, is in direct contrast to the decisions being made by the producers/writers of Once.



Ah well. Happy Halloween, everyone. Let the wild rumpus start :-)
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Nov 01, 2012
I'd say basically all of them until the mid-80s if you were saying kids around 8, but 6 is a pretty tall order. Doctor Who?
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Nov 01, 2012
No, that's honestly a great question. I remember watching Beauty and The Beast (the original, Linda Hamilton one) and the British comedy Black Adder as a family. (Rowan Atkinson is DREAMY when he's wry and sarcastic) Although what really brought us 'round the TV was Seinfield, despite some adult themes it had a huge impact on my sense of humor growing up. In my own experience dealing with kids I think its important not to talk down to kids- to use "big words" and sophisticated dialogue, because it teaches them to catch up and pick up on context clues, sort of like learning a foreign language via TV.
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Oct 31, 2012
I think you're probably right, but the formula is failing. I remember in the Lady of the Lake episode this season, Charming snaps a man's neck with his bare hands. They certainly didn't write that in for the kids, but it also wasn't satisfying for the adults. The adults who have watched this show for a year didn't stay on board because of violent action sequences. We want the STORY of these main characters to move - anywhere! I feel like they throw in these cheap "adult" scenes to convince themselves they are sating both audiences. Stasis is not fun for anyone to watch, no matter their age.
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Oct 31, 2012
I didn't necessarily mind the Frankenstein storyline. I can deal with the show going out of traditional fairytale land like Wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland, etc. That is not even my biggest complaint with the show. I want to see the show go darker. Less cheese, more darkness. Why is Mary Margaret so lame and a bad actress, but as Snow White she can pull it off and be convincing as an actress? I know these are Disney characters and they want to incorporate all ages, but this show could be taken to a new level if they would just work on the writing a bit better. It doesn't have to be gory, or even scary, let's just see it add some dark depths to it. Yes, there are some dark undertones, duh. But maybe it's the bad acting i have a hard time with.
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Nov 03, 2012
Mary Margaret is supposed to be lame; I think she's deliberately awful for contrast with Snow. And I defy any actress to look intelligent with the dialogue they kept handing her in the first season!
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Oct 31, 2012
So you have a problem with the horse's heart because in reality they're seven pounds? Because ripping hearts out to make them sand, is perfectly accurate. Right? That only proves that you're just looking for reasons to bash on OUaT. Why dont you let someone else write the reviews and end your misery?
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Nov 02, 2012
You're absolutely correct for admonishing me for looking for logic, consistency, thoughtfulness or any consideration of detail in this bubbling stew of corporate properties. Believe me, I won't make that mistake again.
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Nov 02, 2012
When it comes to magic, shouldn't it be obvious that magic does, in some cases, transcend rules of logic? And regarding consistency, how was it inconsistant. The people/animals, still have their heart. What they take is an "enchantment". It's a spell.



Nitpicky, nitpicky. That's all I'm seeing from you, Lily. It's embarrassing.
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Oct 31, 2012
Dear Lily,



I generally agree, that 'Frankenstein-Land' was stupid and pointless and frankly a little lazy.



Just one note: Neither Pinocchio nor Peter Pan was not inveted by Disney but is the main character in Carlo Collodis novel 'The Adventures of Pinocchio' from 1883 and Peter Pan first appeared in 'The little white bird' by J.M.Barrie in 1903 and was later used as a character in a play. So they actually are a fairy tales - from a specific source - but fairy tales nonetheless.





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Nov 01, 2012
I think I acknowledged that in this review? If not I certainly did cite the original author of Pinocchio when we got Jiminy Cricket's backstory- I remember researching it, the thing is that those tales, while they come from individual authors, are still represented in the Disney catalogue of animated movies, which all these characters have been, if tenuously, linked to (this whole show is a vehicle for reinvigorating Disney properties ) So what I was trying to say was, while I understand Pinocchio & Peter Pan are from visionary authors (as Alice in WOnderland) I could let them slide because I figured Disney was like "you are the first show ever with full rights to pull from our animated movie catalogue! reference everything, it all vaguely registers as from the same source if we assume viewers are pulling all their folklore from Disney cartoons!" and then Frankenstein comes along and its like, hmmmm....where are we going? What constraints are on this world anymore? At what point does pop culture belong to Earth and at what poitn is it fodder for more and yet more crossover backstories? I can't handle many more backstories.
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Nov 02, 2012
Lily, you are making a MAJOR mistake if you think the show is only supposed to use Disney films/stories. Tell me, where has the show ever said that? Where has it said, "In a town where all of your favorite Disney characters..." See...you are missing the point. Big time.
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Nov 03, 2012
Still, Disney IS the least common denominator; and it's easier to get permission to use things in-house than out (see Sherlock Holmes discussion). I actually prefer the oldest stories, which tend to be much darker than Disney's. I enjoy the way the scriptwriters have tweaked the best-known versions and stood some common preconceptions on their ears.
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Nov 01, 2012
I really think backstories are core to this show's formula. I do not expect they will ever stop doing a new character backstory basically every episode. I really think they see that as their raison d'etre and everything else is just extra. I am so confident, I would bet you 5 Internets.
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Oct 31, 2012
#2, sourpuss.
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Nov 01, 2012
I'm sorry! I'm sorry! Look, all you who honestly enjoyed this episode, I envy you! You get to look forward to next episode and had an entertaining hour where you did not frighten your neighbors screaming at your TV. For me, things were different.
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Nov 01, 2012
Don't let 'em get to you, Lily. This week I received more enjoyment from your critique than I did from the episode. I like that you hold the creators to a high standard, someone has to since their producers aren't doing it.



People complaining about you doing your job as a media reviewer are missing the point. If all they want is "hail fellow well met" camaraderie of mutual viewing, there are plenty of places to gush (deservedly) about Parrilla's cheek bones. Keep up the good work, Lily.
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Oct 31, 2012
Everyone ripping this show apart makes me sick, so I'm going to keep this short, and save everyone from my venting. I think that no matter what happens on this show, everyone is going to complain. The wizard of Oz is not a fairytale either, so why would it be acceptable for him to be the wizard and not dr Frankenstein? OUAT said they want to expand beyond fairytales, if you don't like it, don't watch. And yes he is from our world, as they explained in the freaking episode. He said he wanted to find a way to get to FTL because he heard about magic. I don't think they are focusing on film, dr Frankenstein is a literary character. They probably chose the name whale to keep people guessing, which obviously worked because most people thought he was a flipping whale, like Monstro.. I don't know why they had the black and white scene, probably just for shits and giggles, don't take every single thing so seriously. Just because one scene was black and white doesn't mean he lives in a world with no color. Geez lol.



I like that they are expanding beyond fairytales and Disney movies. I like that they are going outside the box. It keeps things unpredictable, which is the way I like it. I don't know why all you people love for things to be completely laid out in front of you. Everyone wants the mystery man from ep. 1 to be Baelfire but if it turns out he is would you really be happy? Predictable shit like that is great for you, but unpredictable like Dr. Frankenstein is the worst thing the shows ever done? That's despicable. I'm done.
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Oct 31, 2012
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Oct 31, 2012
Also, I don't remember at all why Regina in the flashback decided to go all evil all of a sudden and rip a heart out, that's how little sense that conversion made.
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Oct 31, 2012
Regina may have inherited the vault, but she added a lot to it as well. First she said that her mother couldn't keep track of every heart, and then she admitted much later in the episode that it were so many, she herself could not keep track. This season is very much based on the initial difference between mother and daughter and how alike they have grown, with Regina not realising that at all (which I hope she will at one point). I thought that was a good subtle touch.

That said, I thought he was the Wizard of Oz as well, I really did NOT care for the Frankenstein-storyline, too easy and yet far too bizarre.
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Oct 31, 2012
And as to question #3 of Lily, see the South Park episode where they use a chicken to figure out what to do with businesses that are wanting a bailout. Substitute plot and characters onto the wheel and there you go!
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Oct 31, 2012
I was so hoping that he would turn out to be the wizard of oz. Would've made much more sense. But, no... 'Doctor'... Ah well!
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Oct 31, 2012
1. I doubt it. It was merely the Very Special Holiday Rendition of OUAT.

2. I was meh. Lana Parilla acted her arse off, I got to see Sebastian Stan again because I heart that guy. I finally know who Dr.Whale is. And I got to see Emma finally show an ounce of common sense and exhibit some sort of intuition that she claimed she had. That worked enough for me. It wasn't my favorite episode. In fact come next year I probably won't even remember this episode. It struck as a bit of a setup for future story arcs and journeys they have planned.

3. Both.
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Oct 31, 2012
Okay just to start with, did anyone notice the shout out to OZ in this episode.

RUMPLESTILTSKIN: What about the slippers?

JEFFERSON: I couldn't get them. Rumor is that they're in another world (not exact quote)

Total reference to the Ruby Slippers. After all, Rumple wanted something that could transport him to a world without magic. Dorothy's Ruby Slippers were the only thing that could take her home, back to Kansas. So We got a total veiled shout out to OZ!



I can't say I enjoyed finding out that Whale was Frankenstein. I liked seeing Henry get thrown around, I liked seeing a more emotional side to Regina. I loved seeing Prince Sheriff McNolty punch whale in the face and Jiminy cheap Therapy option telling Whale to GTHO of his office. I enjoyed seeing cute Guyliner Hook getting tied to a tree (call it my S&M coming out) although I am now curious to discover what happened to Whale's brother. Also a plot point issue. Won't Regina figure out that WHale totally fake her the hell out last time and possibly seek revenge? Come on is Regina that stupid that she can't add 2 and 2 together? I mean if I hire someone to bring my former fiance back to life and they tell me they failed, and then they go back and bring them to life years later I'd be thinking "Dude he faked me out last time. Imma kill his stupid ass." I mean seriously? Shouldn't Sheriff Charming be putting Whale under surveillance? Just a thought. Also, Henry got thrown into a wall and just got up and walked away. Shouldn't the kid be seeing a doctor? And where was Jefferson this episode? I miss Jefferson. I miss the original smexy guyliner dude before Hook. Just because we saw him in a flashback doesn't mean that we're getting character development. I wanna see him and Grace having tea parties in the mansion. So all in all while some of this episode was okay I wasn't very happy with it. So... to answer Lily's questions at the end.



1. We'll have to go back to black and white 30's film land to find out why it all went wrong when Whale bought his brother back to life. So I'm assuming we'll at least get one more episode for that.



2. Slightly angry about the ep. I mean I wanted so much more from it. That could just be me.



3. I think there's a plan in the show. They just wanted to shout out to Frankenstein because despite Frankenstein not being a Fairytale character, Frankenstein was awesome.
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Oct 31, 2012
Just wait till Jack Frost and St. Nicolas show up in December to have a magical snowball/fireball/elfballs fight.
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Nov 01, 2012
It would be more entertaining if Sinterklaas and Black Peter were to wash up on Storybook's landlocked shores.
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