Once Upon a Time "The Outsider" Review: For Whom the Belle Tolls

Once Upon a Time S02E11: "The Outsider"


Once Upon a Time razzled and dazzled me this week because things HAPPENED. So many things happened! Regina’s name was cleared when Archie came back from the dead (good job escaping Cora, I suspect she was busy starching her parasol, and hot-rolling her updo; her look seems to require a LOT of maintenance), Hook got his pleather-clad butt handed to him, and Belle got SHOT (I think) before a car ran straight into her (busy day). But first, can we say hello to the two new actors? Right Bosom and Left Bosom, that is!

YOWZA! If you want to go on a serious hike but think you might have to do a little pros-tah-tution during your adventure, go with this getup. Belle was heaving around FTL dressed like Lara Croft, and weirdly the townspeople were not having it, with two guys in floppy hats giving her a swirly and Mulan tripping her in the forest. And damn if Mulan and Belle didn’t have the most undeniable sexual chemistry of any two characters on this show—seriously, let the Tumblring begin! Sorry, #Bed fans, but I might have to pull up my anchor and set sail on a #Bulan ship because unbearable sensual tension ahoy!

In our real world, Mary Margaret pointed out that Henry raising new dog Pongo on the bed—the one that she and her recently reunited husband would later make passionate love on—was kind of gnarly. She suggested they find a house with several bedrooms, bedrooms with walls and doors around the beds and “privacy” as it is sometimes called, so that she wouldn’t wake to the sound of Emma dismantling a toaster again or singing “Freebird” at the top of her lungs, as Emma is wont. Emma was immediately against the idea, because obviously they could all just live in the car and shower under gutter pipes after it rains.

Charming was against the idea of putting down roots/mortgaging a colonial-style bungalow in this world because Fairy Tale Land still exists, and it is their home dammit. “I don’t want to die here,” he said bitterly from the cozy diner of his picturesque Maine town. No, I like this conflict a lot because it opens up the coming seasons in a cool way, and why go vs. why stay is sort of a thought-provoking debate, at least relative to the usual heavy-handed “can people change?” moral question/foregone conclusion this show continues to flog like a dead horse.

Meanwhile, Belle was chased about by Hook, which was a feint so he could go in and steal Bae’s precious potato sack or whatever from Rumple, and then he threatened Belle with a gun so tiny it was probably made by Mattel, and then Rumple (who weighs 90 pounds soaking wet and is probably 20 years Hook’s senior) beat Hook like a piñata on the deck of Hook's own ship—the ultimate insult to a pirate—until Belle begged him not to. It did make me laugh out loud when Hook taunted Rumple again and Rumple dove on top of him after sighing, “He HAS to die, Belle!” But Belle believes in the good in him, despite learning that he had killed the mother of his child after she cuckolded him.

It’s another one of those ugly facts OUAT dances around like a pole at a go-go club. Rumple killed his own wife after she left him for another man—which, by civilized standards, she should have been within her rights as a human being to do. He killed her to punish her and spite her new partner, and that is unforgivably wicked. WE forgive him because we know this is all make believe and hey, Robert Carlyle. But Belle is basically that one crazy chick who married the Menendez brother, you know?

When the Beastliness was a metaphor for physical deformity, Belle’s love was noble and pure. When the Beastliness becomes a metaphor for abuse and cruelty, Belle’s love becomes delusional and unhealthy. It happens in real life all the time, and the belief OUAT keeps holding up as the ultimate message here, that people can change, is one that leaves actual bodies in its wake here in the real world. I don’t know how the show can endorse that message with a clean conscience; it’s dangerous to encourage people to think there’s good in everyone, because sometimes there’s not. There are sadistic predators or there are weird relationship dynamics that couples with histories of abusive parents can fall into and before you know it Rihanna is dating Chris Brown again and we all look the other way. Just saying.

And sure enough, by continually involving herself with a villain, Belle managed to get shot and left to die an amnesiac. Grim!

In happier times, Belle faced off against a horrifying beast made of pure CGI in FT China. She doused him in water and magic and he became Aurora’s Prince, a man we knew would one day have his soul literally sucked out of his face by a wraith. Sucks to be you, Aurora’s Prince!

As snarky as I’m being here, I deeply appreciated how fast and furious the developments happened in this episode. Archie is back, Belle is in peril, a new conflict has literally careened into town. It’s all gotten a little nutsy and campy, but that doesn’t bother me. Hell, I encourage it. Maybe a couple episodes down the road Emma, Snow, Regina, Cora, and Henry can all have a sit-down with Dr. Phil. Let’s let the freak flags fly, OUAT.

QUESTIONS:

1. What’s the significance of the car crashing into town?

2. Why does Smee continue to wear that super red cap?

3. Did Cora plan for Archie to escape?

4. Belle: How long will she be an amnesiac?

5. What would Dr. Phil’s advice be to the Charmings?

6. Is it irresponsible to tell people that someone who hurt or killed their first partner can be won over by a truer love?

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totally didn't know who Ms. Menendez is. had to google it. thx for educating me.
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Where the hell is Pinnochio?
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Could it be, that Archie is not Archie but really Cora in disguise? She did the same trick with Lancelot. Maybe that is why we did not see her at all in this episode. Maybe that is why Archie escaped so easily... and is not close to Snow, Charming and Emma. Just at thought.
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Pongo noticed Cora when she appeared with the face of Regina, he would have reacted the same way with Cora being Archie...
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ah, off course. That put's a damper on my theory, and makes me think less of the writers.
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PS: I am not suggestion Archie is really dead, just that the Archie that escaped is not really Archie.
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Also, hold onto your hat Lily...Dr. Frankenstein is returning next week...in black and white!
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This was a great episode, with a lot of action, as has been pointed out. To answer some of the questions:

1. No idea, except it has incapacitated Hook (for how long?) and who is this stranger (not Bae)?

3. I very much doubt Cora planned for Archie to escape. I imagine she thought no one would find the invisible ship, and is probably off watching Regina (who has gone God knows where to hide out).

4. It's anybody's guess as to how long Belle will lose her memory. Some things are resolved quickly (like Archie's 'death') and others take longer. I'm sure her memory will be restored though, one way or another. And as hot as a relationship between Belle and Hook would be, that would DESTROY Rumple...and I for one would hate to see that.

6. Don't care...if viewers can't tell the difference between fantasy and real life, then they have bigger problems than that!
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-Real people are a comin! Real people are a comin!!! Those poor, poor souls. Wondering around a town that only has one restaurant that doesn't even serve coffee (hot chocolate...with cinnamon) is going to be hinky. But also Emma's baby daddy was supposed to be on his way, so could it be a sign for his arrival?
- Well he ain't wearing it no more, so I guess it doesn't matter. Scurry away little rat! Scurry away!
- Cora had to have known that when she disappears and leaves handsome but dreadfully dumb Hook to his own devices that things will just go awry. Either she suspected it would happen and didn't really care or she's at risk of seeming as incompetent as her hooked compadre.
- Belle was kinda awesome in this episode! Like as a fellow book nerd, she made me all proud! I was kinda digging the outfit in FTL and in SB she totally has this emo geek chic thing going on. I loves it. It's funny, because I typically don't like any of the roles Emilie de Ravin finds herself in, but my inner book nerd can't NOT like Belle.
-Get on the same page. I don't know. It did bring up quite the interesting conflict. Staying in SB versus heading back to FTL. Emma and Snow would definitely want to stay. Little Henry would dig FTL for all of a few weeks before he's craving SB. I mean once you've experienced having full blown conversations with your cell phone as if it was a corporeal being, it's kinda hard to adjust to life with no wi-fi.
- Fairy Tales have always been irresponsible. I don't see this as being any different. To be fair...and to paint a less sadistic picture, Rumple may have been more pissed about his wife abandoning their child. I mean cheating is cheating, it isn't acceptable in my book but it's nothing worth killing for, but there is something pretty foul about abandoning your own child. Leaving him with a person YOU don't even deem fit. That will elicit a primal response. I mean fairy tales have always been gruesome. They've been known to send all sorts of warped messages if you ever take the time to analyze them. For example, everyone talks about how romantic it is that the prince found Cinderella, but all I keep thinking about is how she never stood up for herself, she was basically suffering from some sort of Stockholm syndrome when it came to her stepmother, she went from one twisted home to a castle without figuring out who she was between all that. She needed a man to save her from her horrible life...a man who couldn't even remember what she looked like, so spent all his time visiting every broad in town to see if a shoe fit. But whatever. Belle's relationship with Rumple isn't healthy.
-WTF is with Mulan having sapphic vibes with every chick she comes into contact with?! With the exception of the googly eyes she had for Philip, Mulan is totally playing for the team that doesn't handle the balls and I keep expecting her to make out with whomever beauty she comes into contact with. It would turn into a whole other show, but the sexual energy is always there and can't be ignored.
-I was secretly hoping Chris Brown and Rihanna jokes and/or references would not make it into 2013. They're everywhere.
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So when Snow and Charming say they're getting a house, how does that work? Do they just claim it? Or do they take out a mortgage? Or lease it? Does the community pay bills at all? Do they understand the concept of credit and debit cards?

I just have a lot of fiscal questions about Storybrooke.
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I hope the guy in the car is Emma's baby dady. I'm on the edge of my seat wondering how that is gonna finally play out or when they will have him show up.
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Emma's baby daddy? You mean Henry's father. Just say it.
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Got a few chuckles out of this photo summary, Ms. Sparks. Thanks. The eye-line thing was pretty funny.

As for the show itself, I think I'm done watching it. The first season was great -- they were trapped the whole time in the town, with no magic, excellent backstory and great acting (for the most part), but since season two started it's always, "There's no way to get back.... UNLESS!" and a new character and some hidden magic is revealed. It reminds me of Heros, in a way -- every time there's a problem a new fairy-tale character is introduced as a kidn of Deux ex Machina, or else to bring in the problem of the episode. The acting, save of course Robert Carlyle, has become hammy and unbelievable for the most part.

That said, I'll probably stick with it as I did Heros.

What do I think the significance of the car crashing in the town is? Well, isn't that a kind of repeat of how Emma came into town? Maybe it'll be Carlyle's son.
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"3. Did Cora plan for Archie to escape?"

Why to kidnap him to begin with, the guy was only missing for ONE episode for crying outloud!
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Maybe this is a reason to get rid of Belle and make Rumple evil again? Well like he use to be.
I'm hoping the car is Bae OR Emmas baby daddy!
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wouldn't true love's kiss save her? Maybe Rumple isn't her true love yet, but becomes it when he gets his head together.
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They play extremely fast and loose with the true love's kiss exception. We know they are true loves because her kiss nearly broke his Dark One spell back in the day. It's become a little silly how much they bend this absolute (breaks ANY curse) to suit the story of the week.
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At this point, I'm, beginning to think they are ripping off Grimm and make her forget all about Nick/Rumple in order to set her up for Queen to their Prince: Someone forgot the OUaT Prince was already taken though.
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You have a point there didn't make that connection
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This show really loves it snazzy outfits. #Bewbs
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Hook's earring is a clip on.....4 some reason that made me happy
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1. What's the significance of the car crashing into town?

Probably Baelfire -- remember we saw him in episode 1 of this season?

2. Why does Smee continue to wear that super red cap?

Because . . . red is cool, I guess? Anyway, he won't be wearing any caps for awhile . . .

3. Did Cora plan for Archie to escape?

No.

4. Belle: How long will she be an amnesiac?

That depends on whether or not the actor stays a regular on the show. If she does, her memory will either be restored by heretofore-unknown-and-totally-made-up-by-the-writers-just-now magic, or it will be slowly restored by townspeople sharing their reflections with her. Also she'll have at least one scene where Emma says "sister, I know exactly what you're going through".

If she leaves the show, though, it'll drive Rumple well and truly over the edge of darkness, until Belle shows up again half way through season 3 to bring him back around.

5. What would Dr. Phil's advice be to the Charmings?

Don't live in the same house as your adult daughter and her tween son.

6. Is it irresponsible to tell people that someone who hurt or killed their first partner can be won over by a truer love?

Yes it is. But the writers seem to think that since magic is involved, normal rules of propriety vs. morality for those of us in a non-magic world can bend more without breaking. Not making that argument myself, but I think that's what they're thinking, in part because it means they don't have to explore anything too deeply.
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Definitely wrong about Baelfire. Oh well. Can't be right all the time.
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In the promo of next week episode (that aired just after this episode was over) we already know who's car is it. Well, actually we don't know the guy but they call him "the outsider" like one of the first person of the real world, our world, come into Storybrook. Grumpy was talking about this in this episode to Snow at one point, what would happen if "real" people came into Storybrook, what would happen if they see the magic here, like Red turning into a wolf etc. So no, it's not Baelfire in the car. It's some 40 year old guy if I remember well.
Finally, the guy we saw in the first episode of this season was NOT Baelfire, we already had an episode explaining who he is, the biological father of Henry. I can't recall his name now but he said it already, and it was Pinnochio that convinced him to let Emma go so she could one day accomplish her destiny, saving people from the curse when she turns 28. Although we don't really know how Pinnochio managed to make him believe of that (Pinnochio opened a box, and then somehow he understood by looking in it). Maybe he is Baelfire, but somehow forgot all about his past when he came into our world, but since he was like 13-14? in FTL, he still would remember everything, so it wouldn't make sense that he is Baelfire and he can't remember anything from FTL...
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I think the general consensus is that Henry's dad is Baelfire, although it has yet to be confirmed. Just because he has a different name in the real world doesn't prove anything. Also, who says he forgot all about his FTL past?
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did we see Baelfire at the beginning of the season? we saw Henry's dad. I dont think that was Baelfire.
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OMG random thought: what if Henry's dad IS Baelfire??
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That's what I was thinking. It would make for a really interesting turn around
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I LOVE your reviews, but a desperately need to fix one thing: ship names
Belle + Red = Red Beauty
Mulan + Aurora = Sleeping Warrior
Belle + Mulan = Not official yet but I guess Warrior Beauty?
Snow + Charming = Snowing
Ginny + Josh = Gosh
And about a billion more because there are more ships on this show than their are character in all of Disney it seems, but those are the ones I've noticed in your reviews.
Anyway, carry on.
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Maybe I missed it, but Why did no one react to Archie saying Cora was the one who captured him. That seemed like a big reveal that affected nobody?
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You're right, it totally fell flat. And like @reinrose said below, we have no evidence from the show to indicate that Archie has ever seen Cora to know who she is. How was he able to identify his captor?
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I think the comment didn't really register when he first said it because they were all caught up in shock and greetings and OMG REGINA'S INNOCENT. If we had seen the scene continue we would have seen something like Emma saying 'wait, did you say Cora?'. I did feel a little disappointed that we didn't see her initial reaction, but I'm hoping we'll see something in the next episode.
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First I like to command you for your Street Fighter reference, I can't believe I'm old enough to get it :) resolving the Archie situation right away was a great call, it would have been dragging forever. Rumple and Bell has been looking like a force love story from day one. Have they even been doing it??? But I like her outfit in fairy tale land, I'm the slutty warrior next Halloween. Hook is hot so everyone has chemistry with him.
Belle will fall for hook while Rumple is away.
The car crash is Henry's dad.
Yes...where is Cora? Stalking her daughter???
It was a very good episode.
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Hook just got hit by a car... you think they're going to keep him and let Belle nurse him back to health or something?

Boy, that would be asinine, wouldn't it? And also really steam Rumple's spats...

hmmmm....
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Insane indeed but interesting and Belle is so about lost causes lol
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I have to say, the scene when Belle is "Don't kill him Rumple" felt really awkward, I mean Hook was letting Rumple kick his ass to make a point to Belle, but the whole thing wasn't very convincing, in the sense that wasn't believable that Belle knew Rumple had good in him, not like the "I will always find you" of the Charmings.
Belle is my favorite Disney princess so anything about her done in OUaT gives me an itch and I guess I would never be ok with how she is portrait here. Still, her scenes with Mulan was the best I've seen of her. Hopefully she will do better now that she has no memory (?)
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I too love Disney's cartoon B&B but just a random thing to point out: the cartoon is EXACTLY the same story line. Stockholm syndrome all the way. A beast treats Belle awfully until she finds 'the good' in him, falls in love with him, as if love makes all the abuse ok and manages to 'change him.' It teaches young girls to stick with an abusive relationship because the abuser might change in the end. Disney's B&B is twisted no matter which version you follow. As unfortunate as it is, Disney in general show too many bad role models :( It makes me sad because I love Disney. I ignore this stuff as much as I can
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Actually B&B is more about not judging a book by its cover and taking the time to get to know someone before labeling them a beast. He didn't torture her - he screamed at her once about coming to dinner. And he let her go to her father. While I agree Disney could stand to provide role models with a little more substance, I think this is being a little harsh.
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Yeah, I know. Few years later I really understood the meaning behind most of the Disney princesses. Like you do, I as well, try to ignore it as much as I can and remember it as I use to when I was a kid :D Sometimes you have to do that, I guess I can't complain and compare OUaT version since it isn't far from what it really is. Sad note.. let me leave a smiley :)
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What the hell happened to Emilie de Ravin?? She was so cute on Lost... Oh time, has not done her well..
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Oh, and I think you are taking this whole abuse thing too seriously when it comes to this show!
It's an imaginary universe and Rumple is only bad because of Dark Magic.
Belle sees his good side because it is still there, as Rumple before magic was this good, scared man who loved his son and wife.
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Rumpel is flawed because he is fearful. He craves power=security, and magical power most of all
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Flawed he is, but he, in his human form, is not the Source of all evil or anything like that.
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It was a fine episode, despite absolutely no chemistry between Rumple and Belle. I mean, Belle and Mulan had more chemistry. Belle and Hook had more chemistry. Even Archie and Hook had more chemistry! But, hey, who cares. She won't remember him anymore anyway.

1. Well it's significant because a person that isn't from FTL is coming to Storybrooke and that opens up some questions like will the Fairy Tale characters be accepted in our world or will they be burned at the stake? bwahahaha

2. He won't be wearing that anymore!

3. No, Cora was just too busy dillydallying around.

4. I take it that she will not get her memory back till the season finale.

5. Since I come from the land of no Dr Phil I wouldn't know! :)

6. Normally, yes. But in the world of true love's kisses and fairy dust and super smart Emma's magic I think it's okay.
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For some reason, I would totally dig it if Belle and Hook, well, hooked up. They did have some serious chemistry when he wasn't trying to hit/shoot her. I don't think Hook and Emma are going to happen (which I originally wanted) so I wouldn't mind seeing Belle & Hook if nothing else than to get her away from Rumple *blech*
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Yeah, I wanted Hook and Emma, too! But now I think Hook and Belle are an even better combination!
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Belle from the cartoons is probably my favorite Princess. Belle from OUaT needs to die or something. I cannot stand her! I can't get on board with her and Rumple *blech* and hate hate hate when she's on screen.

I did absolutely love how FTL had a China town! lol Everything's just a quick ride away, eh?
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This was another great episode this week, though as a general note I have to say that these people need to learn how to imprison or somehow incapacitate enemies. Seriously, Rumple didn't even knock Hook unconscious. Though I can see why Rumple was surprised to see Hook so soon, considering that they drove to the edge of town, while Hook apparently walked/ran to get there. Still, he was planning on leaving his girlfriend in a town with a man who hates him freely wandering around. Yeah.

1. I think we're supposed to think it's Henry's father, who we're also supposed to think is Rumple's son. The license number itself doesn't ring any bells, so I assume the fact that they're Pennsylvania plates is significant. I honestly can't think of anyone else, besides Rumple's son or Henry's father (assuming they're two different people), that we've seen before but wouldn't be in FTL or Storybrook.

2. Because he's obviously never been in actual combat, and thinks that it looks good with his ensemble, even though it will one day get him killed (assuming he becomes human again before someone steps on him or he gets caught in a trap).

3. No, the only way that could benefit her would be if she pretended to be Archie, and he was still locked up somewhere. However, she could do this with Geppetto and still be able to infiltrate the gang, without giving away the fact that Archie is still alive. As it stands, that's probably the real Archie, and if so Cora doesn't benefit in any way that couldn't be achieved through a much easier way.

4. Hopefully not past this season, otherwise we would miss out on a lot of character development. My guess is that Rumple will woe her all through the rest of this season, and her love for him will shine through her amnesia, they will kiss, and it will be broken. I assume that true-love's kiss can give her back her memory, as it is technically a magic induced ailment of sorts, and can therefore be thought of as a curse, and all cures can be broken by true-love's kiss. Honestly I'm surprised that no one, especially Rumple with his extensive magical knowledge, has thought of this, or at least considered it.

5. Actually spend some time together as a family that doesn't involve fighting people, parties with lot of people, funerals, or being in the same room but going off to corners to talk with people individually as if you're not comfortable voicing your opinions so that the people you love and trust can hear them.
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Henry (like most of the "good" guys on OUAT) is such an Idiot One Seconds he wants to build an armory to protect the family from Regina and the next second he always knew she was innocent
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And where did this sudden attachment to Archie came from?! Henry never gave a damn about Hopper and Regina before this episode, I don't buy it.
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Archie was his therapist! Henry has known him, confided in him, and loved him for a long time. As for Regina, Henry is clearly conflicted in his feelings for her, but let's not forget she was the only mother he knew for years. And...he's just a kid!
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I know Henry's supposed to "love and confide" on a therapist, and I also know that Hopper just so happened to be one, but if this show pretends I'm going to forget the kid slope to track his biological mother using a stolen credit card WITHOUT telling his therapists - you know, the one he so suddenly does love and trusts now - then the show it's sorely mistaken.

Unlike Belle, I have long term memory.
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I've noticed that lovely moment as well.
He takes after his mother.
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Another great episode. But, the car didnt run into Belle. Gold rolled them both out of the way and it hit Hook.
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I had absolutely no problems with Rumple killing Mila. She left her husband (not so bad) and her only son (TERRIBLE) over an infatuation with an incredibly hot pirate. Who wouldn't have a thing for him? On the ship, once he was the dark one, she proceeds to insult him.
Mila. Is. A. Bitch.
Rumple, though a coward, deserved better. Like... Belle!
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Oh, I'm not saying it isn't WRONG. I just don't have a qualm with him wasting that slut (LOL XD).
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Leaving your spouse is one thing.

KILLING your spouse is another.

idiot.
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Mila. Is. A. Bitch and Mr Gold should not have killed her (Maybe turn her into a rat that she is :) )
but Fairy-tale land is not the real world and It has dark magic which clearly ruled Mr Gold comparing this to the real world
Menendez brother is nonesense
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Is Rumple really evil? People come to him asking for whatever they want, he names his price and tells them to take it or leave it. Nobody has a problem with him until he makes them pay their end of the deal. And is he really abusive? It seems like his wife was abusing him (verbally/emotionally) and the worst he ever did to Belle was yell at her when she tried to break the curse. Since without his powers he would never see his son again a little angry yelling was not so out of line. He's not a saint and not the greatest boyfriend but evil and abusive? I don't see it.
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Um, Regina? What about what he did to her? Sure, he was never exactly "cruel" to her, but he practically destroyed her (inside). Did he HAVE to manipulate her that way, having all those other guys gang up on her, making her think that there really was no way to save the man she loved, all so that she could be his little "creation"? What about that?

What about his wife? She never harmed him as much as he's harmed others (killing Cinderella's fairy for her wand; killing their maid because she MIGHT have overheard him speaking to his son about his weakness; killing that guy for getting mad/yelling at his boy). From that one scene we've seen of the couple in their home, they were speaking calmly to each other, his wife was even patient and just kind of sad as she asked him to consider moving their family far away.

Seems to me that she was just tired of putting up with what he wanted. So she ran away, fine, that would have been horrible, but would that REALLY be enough to justify killing her? For leaving him and his son, when he HIMSELF abandoned their son when he let go of him and sent him into our world alone?

Also, I don't think he so much as "only yelled" at Belle, as much as tossing her into a prison cell and locking her up for hours. That's not exactly sane or romantic, if you ask me.
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Uhm. You are forgetting that he was actually GOOD before he became the Dark One.
It is dark magic that makes him a bad guy!
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1. the car is show that there fear that other can enter the town now is true. Also I fell like it might be Henry's father in that car
2. cause rats like ridiculously red hats
3. cora is probably too busy coach her daughter for that game of magical doubles tennis
4. she will probably be like that until he figures out away to undo or until they kill her off
5.listen to your wife you can't win, then when it goes wrong you hint at an "I told you so"
6. well she did run off with a pirate, cant say i felt sorry when she died
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Favorite parts of this episode: the Belle-Adventure storyline and the Rumple-Hook storyline. I was kind of wondering how Regina locked Belle in the asylum, now we know. The whole Rumple-Hook "fight" was funny. I think it's going to take a lot more than a few cane whacks to the face to stop Hook. I knew that would only anger him further since he seems like a person who doesn't let go of grudges easily. I didn't see the whole Hook-shooting-Belle thing coming. That seems like a very low blow on his part. Since there are no random people on Once Upon a Time, the guy in the car has to be connected to someone else in town. Next week's episode looks awesome as well! I really like Snow and Charming's dilemma. My first thought was "awww they have real person problems!"
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I personally think the car might have a normal person inside, as was foreshadowed earlier in the episode when the FTL characters were discussing their real world direction. Smee wore the cap because his grandmother made it for him, as was explained in the episode, but I think a past tense is appropriate, seeing as he's a rat now. If Cora didn't plan for him to escape, she's being remarkably sloppy. Dunno; there's no clear cure to the curse being reinstated. I think The Charmings need a doctor much more qualified than Dr. Phil; he'd probably just give them the same advice he gives to everyone else: "GET REAL". Yes; it's a very irresponsible message to put out.
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No matter how much depth they try and give the characters, they still come off 2D. This after coming back to watch it and being impressed by last season, it seems to be falling on the way side again.

I think the car brings Emma's baby daddy because we stopped talking about him in for ever.

I think Smee is actually Santa Clause before he became Santa Clause. ;) Just saying. It could happen!
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I agree about the whole 2dimensional thing. In the end it all boils down to this, Belle=books and Rumple. Hook=revenge. Prince Charming=Prince Charming. Henry=naive kid -_- and when they DO try, it ends up kind of embarrassing. Think Regina. She doesn't have depth so much as a split personality.
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"6. Is it irresponsible to tell people that someone who hurt or killed their first partner can be won over by a truer love?" HELL YES. It is very irresponsible. Say whatever you want about redemption, but once you've hit "the person you love most" it is extremely likely you'll do it again. Think about it. "OH! My new girl just found out that I hurt(MURDER,in Rumple's place) the person whom I thought would be the last person I'd ever hurt(MURDER), and my new girl still loves me! I must be impossible to let go of, since she knows I'm a murder, and she's still with me!" That's just sick. Rumple doesn't even show signs that he's changed, unless Belle is with, and when she's not? He's a fake with no intention of changing.
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I'm the person who posted the earlier rant, and I just wanted to commend you on the force of your comments. Ironically, my earlier comments were written having only watched a small portion of show. When I later had a chance to watch the rest of the episode, OMG, the message was SO much worse than I had even thought! Belle's attempts to get Rumple to Simma Down, Now just kept going on and on and on! Empty hope, but I do wish the show would post some sort of ABC Cares announcement where they say something like 'This is fantasy fiction about people who are magical. If anyone in your actual life is hitting people, or has a history of violence, don't be like Belle! Your love alone won't save them! Get help!'
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Overall I think this is one of the best episodes in this season though seemingly not the most affective,not even as much as last week's episode where the producers obviously cling to our sympathy to either sides.I agree with you OuAt about the sheriff thingy joke but I don't agree about the good guys killing stuff.1st they are good fairy tale characters,since when have you known anyone called by it who is a killer.2nd, If you think they lack a little blaming/anger to the bad guys;Wasn't last week enough proof of that,when they all ganged up to Regina and the worst part she fell victim for it when she's innocent. RebeccaDemers I agree the wife deserves it,tbh Capt. Hook just want revenge cause he lost his love without thinking the reason behind it just like how the writers made Mulan bitchy about Phillips' death enough to make her selfish and not care about Snow and Emma at times. About Cora missing in action,I agree with you Kanniball that she could have switch himself with Archie without Hook knowing it,Or she could be busy poisoning Regina's mind already since her faith in herself being good is already shattered by everyone;Probably same thing that Emma's thinking when she said "Something tells me either way we're gonna pay the price".
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The "good fairytale characters" have attempted murder (in FTL at least) several times. Recall Charming jumping in front of Snow's arrow intended for the Evil Queen? Or their joint attempt to publicly execute her before Snow's misguided efforts at her redemption? Gepetto risked Snow's life to ensure Pinocchio could get a free ride into our world. Mulan is a warrior who almost killed Emma and MM several times and claims to have several notches in her scabbard. Belle reached for a gun after Rumple told her how to use it to kill Hook.

My point is if they had killed Regina when they had the chance, none of these horrible things would have happened to them. No curse, no separation, nothing. I understand that it is the device for the show, but that’s why it’s so important not to weaken it by making the “good” guys appear so mind-numbingly naïve. I enjoyed all the episodes where princesses were kicking ass and outsmarting their captors - when they were being heroes we could actually root for.

But if this is Hook’s 4th attempt at killing Belle, why did they just walk away? We saw that Rumple has the power to turn his enemies into mice, why not do the same to Hook before leaving town? He knows Hook is in Storybrooke, he knows he has to leave Belle behind – it just doesn’t make sense for the mastermind, the smartest guy in town, to be so dumb! And now he is paying the price, and the audience has to watch this contrived story and pretend that what he did was noble when in fact it put Belle and others at risk.
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Oh and I totally forgot Charming snapping that dude's neck in "Lady of the Lake"!
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Charming's crimes are meant to be forgiven, I can't possibly get attached to the "its not wrong if he's doing it" type of character
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Epic FTW Belle ...... is way better than ...... Lovesick Belle. Is this going to be a trend in Once Upon a Time? Falling in love will automatically make you useless? First, Storybrooke Mary Margaret is becoming quite spineless. All she seems to do know is have David wrap his arms around her when something ANYTHING happens. It's not even sweet anymore. She's taken the backseat to her own daughter.

I hope they fix her character (and Belle) very soon. Also, they should consider of killing off Emma. Just give it a thought.
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Why would Mary Margaret want to move out? I mean, they can ALL just live together, right? All four of them, in the same house? Like a real family?
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Rumplestiltskin is really testing my sympathy. "DO AS I WISH, BELLE!" FU Rumple -_- He's a murderer and doesn't deserve Belle. At this point I'm actually rooting more for HOOK than Rumple. How many people have Hook killed? Anyone? And Rumple, how many has he killed, INCLUDING HIS OWN WIFE? He doesn't SHOW any sign of repentance. I swear. He keeps telling Belle that he's trying to change and Belle keeps saying he has a good heart, BUT WE DON'T SEE IT. Unlike Regina, we actually see her trying to change, trying not to use magic, but him? What does he do to make us think he's trying to change? WHAT? Tell me!
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Lily, you have me laughing out loud again. Thanks!

But I’m gonna put the funny aside for a moment, as I’d like to take a swing at your Q #6 - can a killer be rehabbed by true love? (Ahoy, Maties!!! Rant approaching abaft the starboard beam!)

I think that the show truly does a disservice to abused women (and adopted kids). The following comments will be full of gender generalizations. But sadly, they are statistically valid:

Can a batterer change? Yes, but it’s unlikely, especially as long as there are no concrete consequences. Will a battered woman often forgive, and forgive, and forgive…literally until she ends up in the grave? That happens much more often. Abusive people are frequently quite charming (no pun intended), and usually desperately dependent. They can be sociopathc (a lot more accurately, in a diagnostic sense, than Regina). But more often they are extremely needy, clingy people, who then get enraged by the possibility of losing their need-gratifying ‘possession’. Then you add to the mix the co-dependency that everyone is capable of, to one degree or another, and you end up with an abused spouse who truly does believe that sufficient devotion can fix her mate.

Role models like Elin and Sandra are wonderful – you screw up with my trust, you’re history! But the thing about women like them is that they happen to be…ahem…rich. Add the more typical factor of financial dependency to the mix, and you have a woman who believes that her only hope is to love hard enough to make her man change. And then again, we’re back to that ending up in the grave thing.

So yeah, I really do commend you for continuing to pound these (apparently adolescent) writers for throwing out very unhealthy messages about both abuse and adoption, at the same time they are marketing a 'kid-friendly' show. I want to be clear that I don’t mind that the female characters sometimes get thrown around, as they are entering the fray and doing a pretty good job of tossing bodies around themselves. But ideas like ‘fixing’ people through love alone is just too close to the fantasy that keeps women...perhaps not warriors and queens, but everyday women...locked into very dangerous relationships. I find this show entertaining, but let’s leave the heavy lifting elsewhere.

OK. Fin de rant.
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Thanks for mentioning all of the men in abusive relationships. Your rant clearly doesn't come from a view of equality, therefore I won't treat it as such.
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Zeo, if you need to believe that men are harmed as often as women due to abusive dynamics in an intimate relationship, I will leave you to that belief. An excessive demand for 'equality', if it flies in the face of statistical fact, only shuts down important conversation.
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Statistically speaking relationships where men are abused go unreported BECAUSE men aren't encouraged to acknowledge when they're being abused. Perhaps if stoicism weren't so fervently encouraged by our society...
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Umm...I feel like I should say that OUAT may be saying there is good in everyone...but please don't take that to mean Belle thinks there is. She told Hook that Rumple's heart is pure ad Hook's was rotten. She never said she thought EVERYone had a good heart; she just thinks Rumple has good in him. Also, he didn't kill Milla because she cuckholded him, he killed her because not only did she leave Bae (dead beat), she continued to humiliate Rumple and call him a coward. Now, that is clearly no excuse for murder...but I certainly don't think suddenly leaving your child with no explanation (and thus figuratively ripping their heart out) is any different than literally ripping someone's heart out.
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hhahaha hadouken.. :')
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Oh and did anyone else laugh out loud when Belle told Rumple - "We should contact the sheriff's office, they will handle this." The arbitrarily formed lynch mobs have been right more times than Sheriff Swan (and her string of nepotism beneficiaries/deputies)!
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The writers COULD have played off the Sydney Glass thing better and thus give Emma some wiggle room. For example, they really COULD have had him never lie to her and yet be dishonest. It's completely possible (and easy) to mislead someone without telling a lie. However, I think they had him lie from time to time so her "super power" failed her.

Beyond that... the only real "ding" in her record is the Regina thing. Up until the dream catcher thing... she WAS doing a solid job. But then... FAIL.

I know what people will say "it was a magical illusion." But come on... if you're accepting the fact that Suspect X walked in, magic'ed someone to death, froze a dog's eyes on her, and walked out... then you have to accept that SHAPE SHIFTING was a possibility. Especially when you were just fooled by shape shifting magic a few days/weeks ago (Cora as Lancelot).
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We could also add her arrest of Mary Margaret in the Kathryn debacle, her stupidity in not taking a photo of the shovel evidence in Regina's garage before leaving her time to replace it, a total lack of follow-up after being drugged and held captive at gunpoint by Jefferson, abandoning her post pretty much any time Regina wants face time with a prisoner, attempting to kidnap Henry from his legal parent, and never arresting Regina for attempted murder by pastry. I'm sure there are more, but this is just a brief mental scan. The lady's a total cromag.
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Yeh, OK I admit... more bone-head incidents besides the ones I listed.

The Mary Margaret debacle... considering she wasn't supposed to be in the garage then any evidence collected would have been useless. While still illegal, better to pretend she wasn't there and come back later... than take a cell-phone pic.

But as for by the time the apple pastry came about... she had more important things to worry about. Like using Regina's knowledge to help find a cure, and then dealing with trying to find a cure from Gold. Punishment was probably last on mind... and by the time the curse was over it was kind of moot. Regina supposedly had powers (or might soon). What would a wrought-iron cell door do to her?

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I think the main question is how can Archie just stroll to Emma's house and casually knock on her door and then just calmly walk in and say "Ah dont worry, it was just Cora."

Shouldnt he have been banging the door down shouting "Cora, she's here, we're all doomed!"
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That is... unless Cora didn't pull ANOTHER switch-a-roo... knocked out Archie, took his place, shape-shifted into Archie, and went to meet Henry.

But other than that... yeh those were my thoughts exactly. Snow... SNOW... was ready to drop a deuce when she realized she was in the same room as Cora. The same Snow that faced Ogres, led an army, and generally acted like a bad-a$$ in FTL almost pooped her pants.

As much as Jiminey Cricket might be a nice guy... you have to think that his escape was him running through the streets saying "OH **** OH **** OH ****"
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Wait, does Jiminey know Cora? Snow knew her as a child but it seemed like Regina exiled her to Wonderland on the night of her wedding to the king. So would Jiminey know that backstory? This is where the jumping around in time confuses me. Who knows what?
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Hmm, good question. All impressions I had were that Cora was known as being a bigger Bad than Regina... having ripped out so-so-many hearts before it was "popular." And since it looks to me that Archie is older than snow... that he might have better memories of the older-generation of evil.

But... Snow's father (and Regina's husband) was an over-the-top nice guy. So you'd think he'd think twice about having dealings with Cora if she was infamous for tearing out hearts.
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Lily knows enough about Street Fighter to make a reference? She didn't strike me as the type.
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I think one thing that is being overlooked is that his wife didn't love him. She had no respect for him and left him alone with their son to go off drinking. Sure he was a coward but she was not the supportive wife he needed. Belle loves him and is willing to stay with him and help make him better. I think its admirable. Oh, and the car hit hook, not Belle.
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She was a B for doing all of that to Rumple (pre-curse). I'm not saying that she couldn't leave... but she was a B about it.

HOWEVER... what she did to Baelfire... THAT was a low thing to do. "OH HUM, I'm gonna get drunk, run off with a pirate, pretend to be dead/kidnapped... and leave my son alone with a handi-capable husband in what's pretty much a permanent Renaissance Fair that ABDUCTS CHILDREN TO FIGHT IN A WAR"

Seriously, W T H. Divorce is fine, but she also qualifies for "D-Bag Mother of the Year."
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So I guess that fear they had about outisders coming in came true.
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I dunno, the Rumbelle aspect of this episode didn't do it for me. As was mentioned last week, being good or trying to be good doesn't mean you let evil people constantly victimize you and attack your loved ones. How many times is this going to happen before the good/reformed characters realize it's time to kill the people trying to kill them? I know they have to keep everyone alive for the show's sake, but they could write in some magical purple smoke escape instead of stupidity being conflated with mercy.

Belle, this man has tried to kill you REPEATEDLY between both worlds. You were all gung-ho to be a sword wielding warrior and kill for a total stranger just because her leg was wonky. Let your boyfriend take this guy out!

I'm glad that her memory was lost because, holy shit, it involved plot. But it also disheartened me that "true love can break any curse" once again seems to only apply when they want it to. An "almost" or some other qualifier would have gone a long way to avoid viewer frustration and add flexibility to the story.

The Charmings were cute but just fluff this episode. Emma, I know you're new at this, but it's not like you've never interacted with another human being before. Your son just lost his best friend. A pop-tart is not the answer. And is it weird that we haven't seen any real conversations between Charming and Emma? It's like he's still just being David the vet assistant. There is ZERO familial bond forming between these characters, and it's irritating. The whole focus of the show seems to be off, like it has a lazy eye that just won't stay on the characters we give a damn about.

The guy in the car, from what I could see from next week's promo, is Ethan Embry. He was cast as "mysterious stranger", but I think it's Dr. Whale's brother who was mentioned in that joke of an episode for Halloween. Strap in your wine IV - it's time for a trip back to black and white movie dimension!
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When did Rumple try to kill her repeatedly? The most he did was angrily lock her in a closet, yell at her, and throw something. OK, not a nice dude and would qualify for a domestic appearance by the Police at the least.

But... ignoring that he's possessed by an evil curse...

When has he tried to kill Belle repeatedly? HOOK was the one that tried to kill her multiple times: once in FTL, once on the boat, and once at "the line"
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Yes I was referring to Hook, not Rumple. Hook has tried to kill Belle repeatedly, so her asking Rumple not to kill him made no sense to me. He was clearly going to keep coming after her, and the show seems to constantly make the point that being a "good" or "changed" person means you should let repeat murderers and evildoers go free. Belle was lunging for a gun when Hook had her cornered below deck... the same gun Rumple had instructed her how to use to kill Hook just moments before. Are we supposed to believe she was just going to pistol whip him with it?

Why can she wield a sword for someone she's known all of 5 minutes in FTL, but she argues against Rumple killing her constant abuser and attacker because it will take all of his "goodness" away? It's getting a little tiresome, and they are walking a dangerous line (with me anyway) of making the good people DESERVE to get attacked and cursed by the evil people they keep releasing back into the world in the name of second (or, you know, tenth) chances.
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Yeah, killing the bad guys does seem the easier solution, but then let's look at the characters who have choosen that option: Regina + Rumple. Did it make them safer? Things simpler? In fairy tales it is that simple; the queen was evil, snow was good, snow white marries prince and the queen's made to dance in hot iron shoes at the wedding. I like that OUAT's message is that people are more complicated than stories. Not that they always execute that message well, but hey, I'm still entertained.
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But there have been times the good characters chose to kill and it was thwarted by something out of their control (ex: Charming jumping in front of Snow's arrow when she tried to kill Regina). Isn't it the intention that matters? The good guys are rather ineffectual, but many of them have attempted murder.

I do like the juxtaposition of the two worlds - FTL where choices seem clearer and SB where everything is fubar. But allowing yourself to constantly be the victim of abuse (or repeated murder attempts) because you believe there is good in everyone - that's just idiotic, fairytale or not. I can only take so many flashbacks of them letting Regina go before I start to believe they deserved to be cursed, you know?
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Even if you go by that logic... Rumple is the most powerful person in the land. Heck even in FTL he was nigh-invulnerable and that was when there were armies of Faeries on Snow's side. The best they could do was contain him.

Currently... the "good guys" have a really low "magic meter"
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Who is #Bed?
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Belle and Red (involving voluntary and involuntary library bondage scenes).
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LOL! tnks for the answer...
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"The Outsider" was amazing! So many great things happened!

1. I'm Team Bed 100 %, but I wish they cloned Belle so we could have both Bed and Bulan. Adventurer version of Bell was so hot and awesome - Emilie de Ravin's character suddenly became much more interesting. If I were on Mulan's place things would happen! I really can't understand Mulan - she meets all this fantastic women and she doesn't do anything. Come on, girl! Focus!

2. Robert Carlyle is one of my favorite actors and in "The Outsider" he once again showed how talented he is. I love Rumplestiltskin, but I wish Dr. Nicholas Rush along with Stargate Universe would return to us. Unfortunately, it won't happen.

3. Rumple gave Hook a well deserved beating. It was trully a beautiful scene. I could watch it endlessly.

Questions:

1. Drunk Baelfire finally reached Storybrook. It took him long enough.
2. It's simple - he's fetishist.
3. Probably not, but knowing Cora that's not a problem. Regina feels hurt and betrayed so Cora achieved her goal.
4. Hopefully she'll regain her memory in next episode, but I fear it may take a while. Red will be very sad.
5. Get a bigger bed and lock the door to your bedroom.
6. It's... complicated.

Great review, Lily! Till next week!
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Rush was awesome.

Seriously, Stargate Universe had a LOT going for it. BUT, the fans of SG-1 and SG-A didn't like the new format.

What I love about the SG-U haters is they say "SG-A was perfect" and SG-U is just a rip-off of other science fiction shows. But I'm sorry, SG-A was almost exactly like SG-1. Awesome + funny team leader that hates technobabble yet is a lot smarter than he appears. Alien team member(s) that know the area and act as guide and KICK-ARSE fighter(s). Unspoken "thing" between team leader and leading female character.

Break it down: the formula between SG-1 and SG-A were exactly the same. Which is fine (it worked). But don't then complain that SG-U "borrowed" stuff from other shows.
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@Lily Sparks your Hadouken quemment tag to Rumple's fireball is streets ahead!
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If you're going to welcome the two new actors then I'm going to acknowledge the two new extras: Emilie de Ravin's legs. Aww yeah.

But seriously, that past jaunt in FTL seemed so sloppy. Hunting an apparently dangerous beast for virtually no reason. Not bringing any effective weapons. Misleading the other hunters (although no big loss there). Receiving just the right key object for later, fairy dust. Finding the correct cave without effort. Assuming water was an easy weakness (maybe that was in the book?).

Hook vs. Rumpel was interesting enough. I kept wondering why Rumpel didn't turn Hook into a rat immediately.
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Good point - if you're not going to kill him at least render him ineffectual in coming back to attempt murder on your girlfriend for the 4th time in her life!
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1. I must confess when I saw the description of next week's episode, while I groaned about it being another Frankenstein story, I thought for sure that the stranger was going to be Neal. The general significance is that it is going to create a moral dilemma for our characters whether to kill him to protect their secret or risk him reporting the town exists. The random significance, apparently Storybrooke is not on any road that leads to the shore or ski country, so this guy was just lost (hah! license plate!)

2. Well, he answered that in the first five minutes of the show....

3. I don't really think she cared, she just wanted to get Hook out of her way and probably hoped that Rumple killed him.

4. I would guess the remainder of the season at least, what will be funny is what will this Belle be like? I kind of presume her curiosity might be still a big part of her, but will that actually lead her to more encourage the use of magic because it is cool (and hence send Rumple on an even darker path) or, well, she actually becomes a useful member of the Storybrooke police force so Emma can just arrest and punch people.

5. Well, David what is behind your need to be the savior at the expense of what your wife actually wants and needs?

6. Well, yes it is, but I still kind of think that Belle thought Hook was lying to her.
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