Penny Dreadful Season 2 Finale Review: The Puppet Master (PHOTO RECAP)

Penny Dreadful S02E10: "And They Were Enemies"

When you encounter a talking doll inhabited by the spirit of Lucifer, do you typically do whatever it says? For most of us the answer would be "probably." Sure, we would rather not hasten the apocalypse, but at some point you just sort of have to be like, "Okay fine, Devil, you got me. You're adorable. I could listen to you talk through this doll all day." But then none of us are as steel-willed (and occasionally terrifying) as Vanessa Ives. Vanessa Ives WILL step to a talking puppet and she will NOT be bossed around by it. This is probably the point where I should mention that Penny Dreadful's Season 2 finale, "And They Were Enemies" involved a talking puppet inhabited by the spirit of Lucifer. And it's to this show's credit that it did not even seem very insane. "Oh, a talking puppet inhabited by the spirit Lucifer," we remarked to ourselves between Pringles. "Seems normal enough."

When it comes to season finales—especially the finale to this extremely excellent season of Penny Dreadful—it's best to start with the end. The team defeated the witches. Sembene died. Ethan turned himself in to the police and was deported to America. The Creature busted out of his basement and hopped a ship to the Arctic Circle. Malcolm took Sembene's body to Africa. Victor shot both Lily and Dorian, but they just laughed in his face, so he went home and did drugs. Vanessa turned out all the lights and threw a crucifix in the fire. All those things happened in "And They Were Enemies," leaving us with only questions and anxieties about where future seasons might be headed. And there wasn't even a brief hint as to next season's storyline (think Madame Kali's out-of-nowhere scene in the Season 1 finale). In typical Penny Dreadful fashion, this finale was somehow both satisfying AND upsetting. But it cemented this series as one of TV's lushest, most lyrical nightmares. Wonderful, wonderful television. 

Let's talk about it!

To answer your biggest lingering question from last week's episode: Yes, Sembene died. Ethan ate him.

That was bad news, to be honest. But like last week I refuse to mourn TOO hard. I mean, this episode DID end with Sir Malcolm on a boat to Africa staring at Sembene's coffin, so if there isn't even a tiny bit of witch-doctor shenanigans next season I will be shocked and appalled. Sembene WILL be back in some form and that's my prediction! 

Anyway, Victor and Sir Malcolm were still trapped in the parlor dealing with personal demons. But now their respective demons had an agenda:

Yep, both groups of hallucinated phantasms REALLY wanted their respective targets to commit suicide. And in both cases it truly appeared as though they were going to do it. But that could've just been because of how annoying it is to have undead spectres badgering you like it's a team sport. Enough, jerks! 

But the real madness was going on in the basement puppet workshop. Because that's where Vanessa was talking to Puppet Vanessa! 

Even though the puppet spoke in the voice of Eva Green, it was definitely Satan doing the talking. And in this case, Satan REALLY wanted Vanessa to voluntarily offer up her soul to him, in exchange for untold power and pleasure and, I don't know, a tennis bracelet? But she did not seem super interested.

Madame Kali was stressing about it though. She REALLY wanted to get an A+ on this assignment. That's when the talking puppet decided to give Vanessa a taste of just what kind of reward awaited her should she comply.

That's right, the reward of a life in which everything is beige and there are children and she gets to make out with Ethan whenever she wanted. (Which, BOOM! Now we know for sure that she is so horny for Ethan.) All in all it looked pretty heavenly—literally so, as the not-dead Mina and Jonathan Harker were on their way for a visit—and it was clear that the talking puppet had definitely struck a nerve with Vanessa.

But in an extremely awesome turn, Vanessa punked that puppet so hard, explaining that a "normal" life was NOT what she was into anymore. Then she grabbed that puppet's face and started chanting the Devil's Tongue at it, and then both Vanessa and the puppet had a chant-off! But guess who won?

Vanessa! She out Devil-tongued that puppet like crazy. Next thing we knew its face was imploding and ten million scorpions crawled out. Even better, Vanessa just sort of sneered, like, "I AM THE MASTER, NOT YOU." Which, I'm not totally sure what that meant. This scene did confirm that she is indeed the reincarnation of that one Egyptian mother of death or whatever, so I guess that's what it meant? That mama had schooled her son? Anyway, Satan's powers suddenly went away and Madame Kali's spells were immediately undone. 


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Sep 09, 2015
Season 2 could have been better. Season 1 had a plot, season 2 was all over the place with a lot what the F moments. It didn't focus on anything, it was about screwed up lives of all the characters.

I don't care how the writer want to force us to believe that Ethan and Vanessa love each other, when they really don't have a relationship to begin with.

The cottage scene was a joke. The cottage catches on fire and her and were-man try to put out a big fire with blankets and water, then suddenly they stop and get all hot lusty, which in returns means love.

Please! We aren't that stupid.

There was a lot of lazy writing in this season. Vanessa holding were-man's hand as someone who Ethan made mad tries to threaten them.

The final scene with Vanessa and witch was weak. All V did is say some words and everyone is saved while the witch just stands there and does nothing.

The ending was much to be desired, you could not tell if there were 3 season or not.

This season could have been better.
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Nov 21, 2015
I'm sorry, but were you even watching the same show???
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Aug 31, 2015
The reason Sembene died is because his actor, Danny Sapani, is going to another show, so him being resurrected would be unlikely...
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Aug 09, 2015
I am still sad that the season is over and I have to wait till next year.... And why the hell are there only 9 episodes for season 3??? There should definitely more than 10 and not less :-(
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Jul 11, 2015
I am so happy Lyle survived! But I am not too thrilled with the finale.
Well, I guess next year will be the gang against Lily and Dorian. I am not too excited because I hate her.
I believe Chandler is not so upset for the deportation itself but because he will probably turn into a wolf on the boat (Journeys took a lot of time then!)
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Jul 10, 2015
Was wolf boy on the Titanic
..?
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Jul 11, 2015
In the 19th century?
I don't think so. ^^
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Jul 09, 2015
LOL her 45 min light turning off -Evening carb walk!!!
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Jul 09, 2015
Ah... Penny Dreadful once again leaving me wanting more, and curious as to how the next season will play out. This show has a great atmosphere, hypnotizing dialogues and when it wants to, can be very exciting. This season was definitely better than the first, but I still feel like there's room for improvement, pace-wise. Nothing happens in 5 episodes, and then everything happens in one or two.

They spent ages translating half of a friggin' prophecy and then translated the other half in one episode, because stuff needed to happen. And when they translated it, it was nothing mind blowing. Vanessa and Ethan are powerful, we get it. The witches stalked the main characters without really managing to do much except take a bit of Vanessa's hair, so they never really felt like a real threat. Lily turned into a psycho out of nowhere halfway through the season, which was odd. The wax museum storyline didn't do anything interesting until the very end, the police stalked Chandler without getting close to "catching" him at any moment... that felt like a wasted opportunity for some tension. Sembene, a strange character full of mystery, never got to do anything special, and then died. Dorian's painting was finally revealed after a season and a half, but nothing else really happened with him except meeting Lily (which I imagine will be a major storyline of season 3)...

It often feels like the writers don't really know what to do with their plots except start them and end them. What about the middle bits? They just filled them with (very well written, but generally uneventful) dialogues. I get slow paced stories and building up for a great finale, but come on! All I want is a sense that the story is actually moving along from time to time! And no, "we have translated another few words from this ancient text" doesn't count. -_-
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Jul 09, 2015
I would sell my soul to wear only yellow (I hate yellow) if it meant to be lived with Ethan Chandler.

About the direction the show is going towards next season I'm inclined to think it would be Lily/Lilith & Dorian whom still holds the undesired title of most useless character in the history of ever, I wonder if the whole development of the Lily character was somehow customized to be eventually a player in Dorian's arc because at some point last season the writers just forgot he even existed and was thrown out to limbo waiting to be brought back to the main story by divine intervention and voila! Lily was created and to make her a psycho zombie just fitted perfectly with the character they wanted Dorian to be in the first place but was never quite right to fit anywhere.

I think Sembene and Ethan will break away during the full moon, Ethan will escape and kill all in his path and Sembene come back to life thanks to the wolf and some cool witchcraft.

So how about our dear Dr. Frankenstein coming clean (pun intended) to Vanessa and confesses about his creations after he realizes that his most hated unbeatable zombies are in a killing rampage and needs help to stop them because he is the only one who knows what's going on and is on a guilt trip (no pun this time) and then both go to try and get the team together again.

Bring it on zombies!!!!
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Jul 09, 2015
My main question is how are they going to get all these characters back for the next season? They've all left town. Apart from Vanessa.
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Jul 08, 2015
I thought it was Vanessa's vanilla fantasy but beige works equally well for intensely wholesome dreams.

"King of the freaks" those silver tongued Putneys and their convincing motivational talks, perhaps they could also have poked the creature with a stick. However I am sick of people just throwing jobs at him, I assume that was his resignation and not him just taking some leave days.

Wish Ethan had been more werewolf than wolfman, just for the make-up side of things and that full-on widows peak.

So Dorian and Lily... can someone check the history books, was there a sale on beige fashion-wear at the turn of the century?

If you were Vanessa or the creature wouldn't the dying coughs of the consumption riddled underground inhabitants cheer you up a little?
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Jul 08, 2015
If you guys would like to read my Penny Dreadful recaps as well, I'll continue this week. You can also sign up for the newsletter so I can send the links when they're up.

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Jul 08, 2015
... Who is the episode MVP, Vanessa or Ferdinand?

Vanessa as always

... Would you sell your soul to be married to Ethan and wear beige?

I didn't understand why this wasn't an option anyway. If she wants this, why doesn't she just take action to get it? How evil can she be if she longs for a family in beige?

... Is Sembene going to be resurrected somehow?

Yup, by the next full moon

... Have you ever killed a puppet using the Devil's Tongue?

Nope, did it with scissors. (i'm from the Childsplay era)
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Jul 08, 2015
More Dorian Grey in S3. I want to see a violent couple with him and Lily trying to outmatch each other in a cruel folie a deux. And would'nt it be great that by the end they turn on each other! I think Lily isn't immune to scars and defiguration. An eternal beauty like Dorian would get disapointed with a jealous Lily.
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Jul 08, 2015
Not since HBO's Deadwood has there been a show in which every single character was as endearing as those in PD. This IS the best show on television. Episode MVP was definitely Vaness, the demon rap master.

No. Ethan's cool but he probably smells (doggy) so I wouldn't sell my soul for the funk.

I dug Sembene but will be happy whether he's resurrected or not.

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Jul 08, 2015
Lyle for the f**king win! Haha... & yea this may be slightly macabre of me to say but I thought the scene w/ Dorian & Lily in the ballroom dancing w/ blood soaked garments painting the floor was absolutely stunning.

I wasn't entirely a fan of the Dorian Grey storyline this season; he got far less screen time and was very much apart from the others. I think the most interesting part for me was the reveal of how the portrait is keeping him young & beautiful. So I want more of those darker aspects of how he came to be this mysterious figure. I mean obviously I could simply refer to the original "The Picture of Dorian Grey" story but I want to see the shows take on it.

Overall I very much enjoyed this season and am excited to see where the story goes. I especially loved the Patti Lupone episode.

Eva Green is true gem, straight up.
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Jul 08, 2015
The best show on TV . Period!
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Jul 08, 2015
Sir Malcom better find some magic to bring Sembene back to life next season! Mourning Ethan's luscious mane, RIP. This ep was kind of meh, they always kill the big bad guys too fast and it leaves me unsatisfied (like with season 1's Master), but here for Victor being shot down by Lily. Dorian remains boring, I hope he don't drag Lily with him. Lyle is the best and I hope he never dies.
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Jul 07, 2015
So no one noticed the boat Ethan was caged in looked like the titanic? Vincent will probably need 'the Creature's' help to fight "Lily & Dorian".
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Jul 07, 2015
Titanic sank in 1912, they have about 12 to 13 years until then.
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Jul 07, 2015
I binge watched the later half of the 2nd season tonight. And it was absolutely chilling, stunning, heart breaking, and just about the most aesthetically beautiful stuff I've seen on television this year.
That said, I kinda whish this was the end of the series. It felt like a perfect finale to me.

It is kinda sad (and not in the good way) that a great del of PD's hights in regard to acting, scenography, cinematography is probably lost on an audience that would rather prefer blood, fights, and nudity. Because this might very well be the best acted series on television right now. And it shows lots ot values that are not only hardly seen on television, but that are also getting very rare in today's US cinema.
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Jul 07, 2015
Loved this season, hated some strange flaws in the script:

- Malcolm had been there for days. Why did the ghosts suddenly go into parrallel mode when Frankenstein came in? Why didn't Malcolms ghost urge him to kill himself the previous day? Why did the ghosts of Frankenstein wanted him dead at same time?

- What was the prophecy for? Ethan as the wolf of god didn't have a large role in it. Kali would have turned to dust anyway.

- Why didn't the monster break out earlier? The Putneys and him had a conversation before in that dungeon. And why did they lock him up anyway? He knew he was a freak and he just wanted a job that fitted him. They could have asked. That they thought that he had no friends was also a big gap in the script.

- How good is being immortal if you can't stop bleeding? How did Brona even know she was immortal? She returned from the dead, but being shot should have been new to her.

- Why did Dorian change his mind and turning from a low profile immortal into a master race proclaimer?

- Why didn't Kali just kill Hecate, like she did with the first witch who had a big mouth?


So many questions and still I like it.


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Jul 13, 2015
-Because they needed him alive until Vanessa arrived. The point of killing them all was not getting a resistance team to kill you, I guess.
-Well, the story is not over yet, now we know of ethan's and vanessa's role in it.
-Good question. I also wanted the creature to kill them more artistically.
-Don't know.
-Because he gets excited with new adventures.
-So we could have these nice scenes of Kali's death and Hecate leaving in the finale :P
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Jul 07, 2015
Lmaooo awesome recap!!!!
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Jul 07, 2015
Garbage episode. Too much time spent on boring hallucinations. Lucifer's plan was bad from start to finish, and in the end he was defeated with some blabbering from a book that Vanessa had studied for reasons other than to prepare for this fight. And the rest of the episode was spent moving the main characters as far as possible from each other, so that it would seem like many of them won't meet again.

I thought the season was OK before this, but now that I now how things ended, I'm not so impressed.
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Jul 08, 2015
I didn't think it was garbage per-say, however it didn't even remotely compare to the penultimate episode from last week. I was EXTREMELY disappointed to find that by the episode's end, all the characters were heading in very different directions as you mentioned.

I still can't believe Ethan was stupid enough to turn himself in to that shady cop/constable/detective (whatever he was.) I'm sure Ethan feels completely effing terrible about Sembene, and doesn't wanna hurt anyone else...But now that it's been established that he can't/won't hurt Vanessa in wolf form, why the fuck would he leave her? Especially knowing she's gunna be practically alone with everyone (excluding Victor, who's in no shape to be helping ANYONE) gone. Oh I guess Lyle will be there too, and he's a really smart and handy dude, but still... Ethan made a short-sighted and rash decision that I fear will have terrible consequences for him in the near future... I mean there's a reason he ran from his father and America in the first place... I AM however, curious to find out whether his dad knows he a wolf man, whether his dad is also a wolf man & it the like runs in the family or if he just wants to abuse Ethan's powers. I think Hecate may end up following Ethan to America.

Sir Malcom is bringing Sembene back to Africa for more than just a burial... I know I said last week that I thought Sembene was gone for good but after reading some interesting comments & insight (from a few people, but looking @ you in particular Gislef) now I believe Sembene will be back in some way or another.

Glad Vanessa wasn't fooled by the offer of a normal life, it isn't what she wants now anyways, but esp offered by the "Prince of Lies," it probably wouldn't have gone down that way regardless. MVP was def Vanessa, she is one bad ass scorpion! Can we please ff to season 3 please?
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Jul 07, 2015
The MVP of every episode is Lyle, obv.
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Jul 07, 2015
Africa will not let Sembene die :)
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Jul 07, 2015
O shit, why you ruin next season.
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Jul 13, 2015
I wasn't.. it was a reference to The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. And the fact that Sean Connery's character, Alan Quartermaine, was bound to Africa.... and that the continent would not let Alan Quartermaine die.

It's what you call a joke ...
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Jul 07, 2015
I have too few complaints with this episode to bother mentioning them. Our family is broken up and we see beautiful glimpses of three ships, each carrying away one of the powderkegs we have come to love unbeknownst to the other passengers (what could go wrong?). John (he's earned a promotion from Caliban/Clareiban) is going where it's too cold for ordinary mortals to thrive; I think he'll live in peace for a time but his memories will start to surface, or he won't be able to stop thinking about Vanessa, and will be motivated to return to London to help her. Malcolm is escorting a box full of everyone's favorite character (R.I.P.?) back to the magic-rich continent of his origin, and will likely detour to visit or even exhume Peter's grave while he's at it. And Ethan is chained up in a cargo hold on his way back to the place he hoped never to return in the company of the most irritating character on the show. All the seductive "you'll feel so much better about the mass murdering when you confess and are summarily executed" and silken-caress-of-the-noose nonsense was bad enough before we knew Rusk was promising him a relief he knew he couldn't deliver. In that moment he turned from self-righteous nuisance to malicious dickhead, and the show is welcome to dish out the worst it has on our inspector while I hold him. I'll even put down the plastic first. Tongs to tidbits just for the SuperCuts trip.

John left Lavinia in a deservedly rotten situation, but we may see her again for two reasons; although she is now a vulnerable 'freak' without a support system, she's also a pretty, manipulative little blind girl with some small inheritance from her father, and while my first thought was that she couldn't identify John to police, she's felt his face and knows how to make wax likenesses, so John might meet a doppel-doll of his own one day. Which brings me to Hecate, who saved only the dollmaking kit before firebugging the mansion and is probably putting up flyers to start a new band of her own. Lavinia may not turn out to be witch material but she could do project support. Alternately, I think Hecate's crush on Ethan will be instrumental in bringing him back to London next year, or at least freeing him. I hope he gets to spend some QT with a few native elders first though. Next season offers lots of opportunities for assorted shamanic magic and I hope the writers take them.
Our Immortal Beloveds are no doubt the big bad for s3 and I'm on board. Victor looked like a little kid about to call No Fairsies that his playmates weren't laying down after being 'killed' with his finger pistols. Loved that entire scene, and look forward to finding out what the IB get up to from here.
Victor, Vanessa and Ferdinand are left behind to lick their wounds, with Ferdy probably becoming a welcome shoulder for the other two. I anticipate Victor convalescing in the big empty house when we return, since Vanessa cares more for him than to let radio silence go uninvestigated, unless the IB scoop him up instead and keep him willfully alive for their plans; hoping it's the former.
The dream in shades of white was beautiful, but my dream for Ethan and Vanessa is living cozily in the sweater cottage once the threats are neutralized and they've agreed to simply be together without the dance of ambivalence. I'm most worried about Vanessa, not because I think it's too late for her (although @DoctorDetroit might have a point about her perhaps staining herself by fighting evil with evil) but more because she seems to. As the shades in the Room of Intense Regret rightly pointed out, you can't take a time machine and change the past, even if you'd have done it better given a second chance. It's what you do going forward that can make up for your mistakes. Vanessa's natural power of being happens to be darkish. But Joan Clayton showed her that it's possible to embrace that without bowing to evil. She prayed to God because she wanted to be in the light, and I believe she can still embrace the light too... but not if she stops trying. She thought the only way to be good was to avoid her admittedly complicated power, but it didn't work anyway. The fine line Joan walked was learning how to accept and use what she is for the good she desires, and the balance is a lifelong chore. I've said that I think absorbing the scorpion into her palm showed us that Vanessa has at least accepted herself, but discarding the crucifix means she is also accepting the master's opinion that she can only ever be evil now no matter what she does and cannot be redeemed. Hoping she considers the source of that opinion.
Gods I love this show. And I love that we can come here and read and talk about it. So, so glad it got a third season and looking forward to everything they give us. Thanks, Price, for giving us a starting point each week with a lot of welcome humor. Enjoy your summer, everyone...
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Jul 07, 2015
See I like that the band is broken up right now. They need a new setting. "London" is all well and good. But I would actually like a new setting. New Mexico territories at the turn of the century could be cool as well as colonial Africa. I agree about Rusk, it was a dick move. But hey, he didn't have crap unless Ethan came to him so that blame is shared by Ethan.

Interesting theory with Hecate and Lavinia. I am not sure that would come to pass, I think Lavinia is a one and done kind of gal. But I agree that Hecate could be an interesting character to further explore. Remember she also had a report with Lyle, so they could very well team up for a time and be fabulous together.

I disagree about Lily/Dorian being the big bads. Big bads are likely to be met by the core three. Ethan, Malcolm and Vanessa are far more superior than those two and I would imagine that any one of those three would make short work of those two. They can taunt and torture Victor, Victor is a wuss. The core three are battle hardened. Vanessa just dismissed the devil, she would make short work of Lily and Dorian.

I think Vanessa came to the realization that she might be more powerful than both the vampire and the devil. The vampire is left to the night and has to have hapless minions do is work. The Devil is left to the witches, hallucinations, possession of a weaker Vanessa and a doll. She was right when she said she was more powerful, she is corporeal, she is powerful and she isn't limited in anything but what she allows to limit herself. I think she prayed because she thought she was too weak to deal with all of this. Burning the cross I think was her setting herself free from weakness and accepting her own power. I don't think she is good or evil per say, I think she is capable of either and can choose whichever.

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Jul 07, 2015
Sorry about the missing hard returns.
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Jul 07, 2015
One thing about the end is it parallels the end of the first season, when it looked like the team split up. We must remember, they came back together at the opening of this season. So it is easy to do this. I wouldn't be surprised, however, in a S3 that we come back 5 years later, to let the things started here to have some development which allows for everyone to come back together.

In many ways, this story reminds me of many "part ii" endings with a dark ending. And I can imagine s3 starting off very dark. Vanessa consumed by the darkness. Dorian and Lily out to rule the world. Talbot (I call him that now) taken in by his father who is doing unspeakable experiments (I still think they will tie Talbot to the Island of Lost Souls ). Caliban and Victor both given in to despair.

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Jul 07, 2015
A time jump would be interesting, and might make sense if we are to take it that Evil is temporarily defeated but not down for the count. The only real urgency for a timeline seems to be the IB, who appear ready to wreak some havoc. John has had surprisingly good luck in finding kind people here and there, and even paying work, despite his appearance. I think he left town with a little hope just from his interlude with Van, so somehow it feels like his path will not descend far or for long. Just about anything could happen with Vanessa though.
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Jul 07, 2015
Man, this show. Really excited for next season, i mean, what will happen?, what are Lilly's plans? Will she and Dorian start killing people and then force Victor to create more inmortals for them? (they could easily become next season baddies). Will Ethan kill everyone on the boat and turn it around?. Sembene being resurrected would be cool too, though i don't think that'd be possible, sadly.

Anyway, great show, and a very cool second season =)
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Jul 07, 2015
So are Dorian and Lily married now? I take it no one came to their reception except Victor.
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Jul 09, 2015
What made you think that? Did I miss something?
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Jul 09, 2015
Well, they were both wearing white, dancing together alone, and she looked like she was wearing a bridal gown, but one not so traditional to fit her personality.
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Jul 07, 2015
I gave up on this show half way through the first season (really wasn't feeling it)
But i still check the recaps to see what crazy shit i'm missing and the Vanessa puppet looks creepy as :/

Josh Hartnett has finally cut that ugly hairdo, now he looks good looking again
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Jul 07, 2015
I loved this season so much. I can't wait until next year!

Billie Piper has really found her perfect role. I thought the ballroom scene was beautiful and amazing (and gross, lol).

I hope there is hope for Sembene, but I guess he could really be dead. I wanted to know more about him.

Vanessa was definitely the MVP.
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Jul 07, 2015
Anyone else feel like Hecate(sp?) will probably go after Ethan and end up freeing him and trying to tempt him into joining her again?
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Jul 07, 2015
Yep, I just posted same. She's doubtlessly put a Hunk Tracker on him and I'm thinking she will play a part in getting him back to London.
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Jul 07, 2015
So, Sir Malcolm is trying to pull a Quatermain with Sembene, which means that by bringing him back to African soil he will be somehow resurrected.
I'm not thrilled with Ethan surrendering and being brought back to America.
And now that Vanessa is alone, without her support system I'm really worried she is going to turn to the wild side...
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Jul 07, 2015
I think he just wants to bury Sembene in his homeland. He expressed regrets about taking him away in the first place. So that's his intent, but what happens when they arrive may be another story.
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Jul 07, 2015
A beautifully bittersweet end to a fantastic season. Thanks for the recaps, Price! If there is one thing I'm kinda bummed about, it's that that whole Hound of God thing with Ethan didn't seem to matter in the end. He just werewolfed the crap out of Madame Kali, nothing heavenly there. But that's a minor flaw I've already forgotten because Ethan looked so sad, you guys! And Vanessa looked kinda scary in that last shot. Are we going to see her embrace her Egyptian evilness heritage next season? Or is TV's most awesome new power couple, Lily x Dorian (Lilorian? Dorily?) going to be the big bad? This is going to be such a long wait!

Questions:
  1. Rhetorical
  2. Albeit beige is not really my color, he sure is hunky. Plus, you wouldn't need a family dog!
  3. Sembene would be dead quite a long time for him to be ressurected. Also John Claire is going to be Team Vanessa's undead champion, calling it!
  4. I try mixing it up, really. This time Devil's Tongue, next time Dark Tongue of Mordor, after that High Valyrian, and so on. I'm a polyglot.
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Jul 07, 2015
"nothing heavenly there."

What did you expected? That he would gather some Angels to beat up her? lol

God decided that a werewolf who dismember people was a good choice to protect Vanessa, and that's how he protects her: dismembering ass people.

Not surprising attitude from the guy who decided to kill all man kind on a flood just because he was on a bad mood.
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Jul 07, 2015
I think the Hound of God thing will come into play in future seasons. If there is one thing this show isn't afraid of it's a slow build. Dorian and Brona/Lily have been on the show since the first season, but are just now becoming relevant to the main plot. I mean Dorian pretty much just existed in the show to be pretty, naked, and have sex with main characters when he could until the last few episodes.
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Jul 07, 2015
- Who is the episode MVP, Vanessa or Ferdinand?
Vanessa, Lucifer became her bitch man!

- Would you sell your soul to be married to Ethan and wear beige?
Absolutely tbh.

- Is Sembene going to be resurrected somehow?
Highly doubt it, I don't think he was nearly interesting enough for that, and Hecate also burnt the house down (Not sure if his body was still there but anyway).

- Have you ever killed a puppet using the Devil's Tongue?
Only when I'm short on cash.

I hope to god Brona/Lily dies next season, Billie Piper is such a weak link in this cast in my opinion, but if they plan on killing anyone off, it's not looking good for dear Dr. Frankenstein unfortunately. (Just hope i'm wrong!)
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Jul 07, 2015
QUESTIONS
... Who is the episode MVP, Vanessa or Ferdinand?
Vanessa.
She kicked the freaking DEVIL'S ASS!!

... Would you sell your soul to be married to Ethan and wear beige?
No thanks.

... Is Sembene going to be resurrected somehow?
No: I heard that the actor is currently working on another TV Show. So I think he's gone (he probably just be back to haunt Ethan and Malcolm).

... Have you ever killed a puppet using the Devil's Tongue?
Not this week.
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Jul 07, 2015
Did she really kick the devil's ass, or did she do what he wanted? Are we even sure the "doll" was the devil, or the means by which she was provoked to give in to the temptation? She gave in. She lost. That's the end. She lost. He won.
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Jul 07, 2015
It WAS the devil and SHE won.
As the creator John Logan said:
Journalist: Vanessa walks away from this battle in what looks to be a victory. Is this the end of Lucifer or is it another setback?

John Logan: No, you can't get rid of Lucifer that easily. This is one battle that Vanessa has won, but at an almighty cost."
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Jul 07, 2015
How do we know it was the devil? Because the witch claimed it was? And how do we know she won? Because the doll was gone? To me, the devil (if it was) left the doll and entered into her. So she won one battle, but the cost is she lost the war.

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Jul 07, 2015
We know it because the freaking creator of the show the man who WRITES the story said so...
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Jul 07, 2015
They are going to have to pull a sense8 next season, since every character will be in a different continent! Or a time jump is coming, most likely. Maybe next season's evil will be lily and the army of undead, but that sounds seriously more apocalyptic than a couple of witches or vampires...
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Jul 07, 2015
My guess is that Ethan's father comes into the Big Bad mix.
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Jul 07, 2015
That would be a good candidate for a seasonal big bad, i agree.
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Jul 07, 2015
I agree, I think next season's big bad is going to be Lily and Dorian and that the season will also go further into exploring Ethan's past in America and the mythology behind the werewolf curse, at least I hope it will. Probably will be some cool African mythology and stuff too! Oh WHYYYYY does it have to be nearly a year away!
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Jul 07, 2015
It's pretty clear that the next evil will be Vanessa
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Jul 07, 2015
Very confident of you, after such a confusing ending, to see things so clearly. Vanessa is changing all the time. Evolving. But she is the most central character. She couldn't be 'the next evil', like vampires or witches, cause she is far more important. She could be a lot of things, but not going to be a seasonal big bad.
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Jul 07, 2015
I hope that Sembene will be back but I'm not sure.
I really enjoyed this episode although the ending made me sad. I liked the visions that Victor was having of all of his creations, I also liked that they were less angry and vicious than Sir Malcolm's. They simply told him what he'd done wrong.
I'm glad that Vanessa knows the truth about Ethan, and I very much enjoyed her shattering that creepy puppet's face.
I was so glad to see the Putney's get what they deserved. The part where John let the blind daughter go was interesting. It possibly would have been kinder to kill her too. I loved the scene between him and Vanessa at the end, I'm really enjoying their friendship. Credit where credit is due, John has got a lot better at accepting rejection, I know he's not in love with Vanessa but compare this to what happened with the actress last season and he's come pretty far.
Speaking of dealing with rejection it turns out Victor can't. He presumably knew shooting Brona/Lily wouldn't kill her but he didn't know that about Dorian, he was literally going to murder him.
Poor Ethan being shipped off to America, although I want him back in London I am curious to meet his family to see why they're so awful.
Looking forward to next season.
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Jul 07, 2015
oh lilly frankenstein!

how do you terrify & excite me ALL at once. :P

- total package Bae. [and w/ ONE TRUE PAIRING dorian grey ...kek+lolz]
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Jul 07, 2015
Amanda, Dear. Are you Lucifers new talking puppet?
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Jul 07, 2015
You probably shouldn't be writing these things if you still think of The Creature as a psycho or that he would take the Putneys up on their offer. I used to share your photo recaps as funny, but your personal bias and very obvious "Not getting the characters" is starting to get under my skin. Especially in regard to The Creature. You totally missed what made him snap in that scene, and no, he would not have accepted that offer. Please, stop. Have a little respect for the show or pass your gig off to someone else.
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Jul 07, 2015
Ah...how exactly does Price fail in noting that the Putneys are duplicitous, cruel, and short-sighted? Because he hits all three of those in this recap, and his flip tone particularly highlights how simultaneously petty and callous the Putneys are ("And things did not improve when the Putneys came down to brag about their tight new threads and to tease him about being a freak. There was a weird moment when they offered to pay him to run the freak show, but in my opinion they should have just offered him that job in the first place?"). The offer especially shows how inexperienced they are in extortion, and yet they are gleefully playing a deadly game.

Whether it's said in a strident sentence or a paragraph, "Those bozos had it coming." It's pretty unreasonable to expect someone who is noted for their particular style (flashes off straight-man insight amid a lot of heady snark) to suddenly lay off a series because someone thinks he's not showing it enough respect. The straight-man moments across all his show reviews obviously show that Price is not an idiot - he gets it. But this is the way he's telling it.
The more constructive course of action would be to get your respectable deconstruction from another site (io9, polarbeartv, reddit). Price based this "gig" around supernatural/horror shows: Vampire Diaries, Teen Wolf, American Horror Story, ergo Penny Dreadful falls under the same treatment, rather than standing outside of it.

And hey, if the American flag can survive the disrespect of getting printed on koozies and lycra leotards, I think PD will survive Price just fine.
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Jul 07, 2015
I TOTALLYadore this show (in fact I end up crying every single episode!), I take it very seriously, and I find Prices' photo recaps superfunny. I do think he loves the show, it's just his style, which btw is the same for the other series he reviews, which unfortunately I don't watch. Penny dreadful provides SO much of everything -angst, stunningly beautiful cinematography, sadness, insight, great actors, even humour in its own, perfect way- and is so not afraid of breaking boundaries, I think it's great to be able to examine it from Price's perspective, and also go and check other great reviews like the ones in the A.V Club, T.V Line or whatever. For me, after so much pure intensity and the emotional spin of each episode, it's kind of refreshing to come here and read his part. Or maybe it's because I simply tend to find the humour even in the things that affect me deeply.
Now the real tragedy here is the 9 or 10 months ahead of us until Penny Dreadful returns. There aren't enough episodes to fill the void! It's really a very special, unique display of art. I say, THANKS Penny Dreadful, thanks Price peterson and I LOVE YOU JOHN LOGAN!
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Jul 07, 2015
I simply couldn't believe Vanessa was that powerful, she beat Lucifer at his own game. This scene was so shocking because until now, we had seen Ives restricting her inner Demon (with those spirit powers) with her Faith. At that point when she uttered the Devil's Tongue, she forgot her God, and unleashed everything in her power - symbolized by the Scorpions - the same spirit animals seen in the First Scene of the Series (where a crying Ives prayed to God with no success). So it was only made sense when she burnt her Cross - her Faith hadn't protected her, but her inner Demon had. Her religion is gone. "Know you master, Beloved" - Wow! If anyone hadn't known what Ives was, they now knew! It was sad to see Sembene dead, it was expected but was still a horrific sight.
Ethan is such a Monster, my thoughts about him redeeming himself (The Wolf of God) are at an all time low. Yet, it was Sad to see him & everyone go their separate ways, the family is broken emotionally & geographically. It seems he's heading to America - the ultimate punishment in his eyes. I've got a feeling, his father might know something about his werewolf ability (the Man with the eye-patch must've known what he was, yet, wasn't fazed by it).
Victor is lost in his own way - he's created a Monster in Lily - she is the physical embodiment of the characters fears in Shelley's story. Her and Dorian are the unholy beings that threaten the "existence of humanity" with a supreme "immortal race". I love Vanessa's kind words "the most human man I've ever met" to the Creature, in the world-space of this cruelty, he indeed is. This was such a romantic sentiment on Ives part - reinforcing to him that he's not worthy of mankind. Unfortunately, I think that is the end for The Creature's Story-line. It echoes the ending of Shelley's Frankenstein. I truly hope we do get to see more of his story, but I think he has found peace. It all just seems like he's too far away for him to be involved in helping Ives or etc.
The Finale captured the unforgettable aura behind Penny Dreadful Season 2 - one with a strong sense of purpose. It tied in the profoundly emotional acceptance of the nature of some characters. Yet most importantly, it blended themes of Horrifically Gothic Horror, Eerie forebodings & a sense of human loss, depression & cruelty in a beautiful display of televised art.
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Jul 07, 2015
She exorcized him from that room. It was not a real big deal, I mean, she didn't killed him. Something like Galadriel sending Sauron back home from Dol Guldur
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Jul 07, 2015
I still think Lucifer beat her by getting her to speak more and more, until at last, she was taken over
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Jul 07, 2015
It's not a Penny Dreadful if there's a happy ending, but really agh everyone was on there own & that's not a good place for them to be, they need each other & Victorian times need them! This show is beyond amazing it tugs at your heart, it immerses you into it's gorgeous beautiful but horrible world & leaves you wanting more, and that is where I am wanting more......

PS I do beige for Ethan & I liked his floppy hair, makes his eyes look soulful, sigh.
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Jul 07, 2015
Actually many real Penny Dreadfuls did have happy endings. They were on going stories like comic books and many had very satisfying endings.
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Jul 07, 2015
Oh that's good maybe there is hope for all when they do another season, It's seems that it was an interlude, the curtain fell, but another act is yet to follow.
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Jul 07, 2015
Did Vanessa get fooled by Lucifer after all?
She didn't kiss him, but did she accept him into her by absorbing the scorpion?

Hecate wants to team up with Vanessa to make a new team of empowered women. Maybe they can even get Lily to join them.

How did Mr. Putney get the money for that new suit?
They hadn't begun showing off the new exhibit yet.
The Putney parents got off too easily. The daughter is the one who got the real punishment.

Victor is essential to Lily.
How else is she going to create her new master race? I'm pretty sure, she and Dorian won't be breeding them.

Painting the ballroom floor with blood was a bit silly.

Ethan's confession was an elaborate "suicide-by-cop" attempt. He doesn't want to be a wolf-man. His father probably wants to use him.
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Jul 07, 2015
Did Vanessa get fooled by Lucifer after all?
She didn't kiss him, but did she accept him into her by absorbing the scorpion?


The scorpion represents her power, and she's had that well before she crossed the line by opening the Bad Book. I took this scene to say that she basically broke the doll with her own power, and by absorbing the scorpion she was finally fully accepting that part of herself. Just because this reincarnation/child of Amunet is pursued by the devil does not make her evil; darkness is not always evil. The two male principles vying for her require a female principle to reify their essence, and we've learned she must cooperate. They can lie and deceive and attack those she loves but they can't force her. Vanessa isn't cooperating, yet. But she's in very dangerous territory.
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Jul 07, 2015
I'm not saying it wasn't a good episode, but it didn't feel well... resolved...? like it should have an episode or two left or something.
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Jul 07, 2015
I understand where you are coming from, I think. There was A LOT of buildup to the showdown with the devil, but the final scenes with Vanessa and the puppet were resolved rather quickly (non disrespect; Vanessa deserved and needed to do that on her own). There was much more tension in the penultimate episode--as well as more of a moral/ethical reckoning at an individual level for all non-Vanessa characters. Victor and Malcolm literally faced their personal demons for much of the episode, while Ethan's werewolf-self took supremacy and caused him to commit the unforgivable sin (if you will) of killing Sembene. I was a little perplexed and maybe disappointed after watching last night, but I've largely made peace with it because I believe that the reason Logan made the decisions he did was to focus more on the emotional fallout of the season. They had become a family since S1/ep1 (if a highly dysfunctional one). Some of the best scenes were of them huddled near the fire at Sir Malcolm's mansion, planning or sharing. They built a misfit family that filled in many of the holes they each possessed in their hearts or beings; the finale for S2 was largely about stripping that away. I think that the most elemental thing about this show that always resonates is the time that has been taken to delve into character studies, to show emotional growth and depth. The second half of the finale was examining the toll that the battles with the vampires and witches have taken on our heroes. War-weary, heartbroken, lovelorn, depleted, each feels alone and lost. Ethan has lost his humanity (he thinks); they've all lost their friend Sembene--though this most strongly impacted Ethan (guilt, remorse, lost friendship) and Malcolm (lost brother and friend); Victor has lost his purpose (if science is his God, he's seen the flaws in and limitations to that God); Caliban/Clare feels that he's lost his struggle to find his place amongst humanity--the darkness of the Putneys, the affirmation of the evils of humanity, the sense that he has no place; and most significantly Vanessa has lost her faith. She knows how powerful she is, but she's broken from her God. What does that mean for her? Is she now more demon than woman, or is she a balance of both? It's heartbreaking, but I think Logan wanted to get them each to a place of isolation, of breaking them to rebuild them. I don't really know what to expect in S3; I have some theories, but I think that the big bad is going to be so significantly bad and big that this time apart to grieve and heal will actually allow our heroes (all, I hope) to return and tackle some more supernatural badness. After all, we still have the devil's brother, the immortal power couple of Lily and Dorian (who now appear to hate and seek to dominate humanity), and who could miss the many references to Dracula throughout the last 2 seasons? I feel like every choice that is made is ultimately going to be hugely significant for this show. It's really just beyond my puny capabilities to envision at this point!
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Jul 07, 2015
This finale was so sad. I understand why Ethan didn't stay with Vanessa, but I'm also bummed too. I so hope those two are end-game.

Who is episode MVP, Vanessa or Ferdinand? episode MVP, Vanessa or Ferdinand? I'm going with Vanessa, mainly because of the scorpions...ewww!

Would you sell your soul to be married to Ethan and wear beige? What little I have left is all his

Is Sembene going to be resurrected somehow? I hope so.

Have you ever killed a puppet using the Devil's Tongue? No, but then I haven't found that Rosetta Stone edition yet. Is it on Amazon?
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Jul 07, 2015
at this point im so invested in the creature its not even funny and all i want is a little love to come his way because everything up till now has been misery and trust issues, poor guy. really liked everything cant wait for season 3 i hope dorian is truly evil and doesnt back out at the end.
thanks for the review price almost died with " halfies on a vacay?" im still laughing
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Jul 07, 2015
Unfortunately the person whose been writing these things has a misguided and twisted hatred of The Creature that they can't let go of and they have this delusion that everyone else feels the same way too. Their "comedy" is starting to get offensive. I used to find these funny but they really, really don't get the creature and made very clear by their thinking he would have sided with the Putneys. My God! Are they this stupid and paid to write these recaps?!?
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Jul 07, 2015
i dont really take him seriously , i feel like he half-asses the recaps and also the episode watching. Most of the time he doesnt know whats going on, but he says so himself. it's a silly photo recap with stupid puns and gags and thats what make it entertaining to people. if it was serious reviewing and they still hated on the creature then i would be mad but this guy is not even reviewing the show so dont even think about it :)
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Jul 07, 2015
First, Thank you Price for the review and screen captions for this whole season. It was very much appreciated by probably all of us. Well done.

Questions.

Vanessa is really the leader of the team, so while she did her job and rose to the occasion, that was kind of expected of her. She is like Steph Curry, she was supposed to get the job done. Lyle on the other hand stepped up in a big way, pretty much all season playing the go between with the witches and the group and walking that fine line and then outing himself as a good guy with the group. Plus he really delivered the line of the season. So that man is my MVP.

Umm no, I am secure in my manhood and all but Ethan just doesn't do it for me. However, since I don't mind selling what likely isn't there. I would totally sell my soul to be married to Vanessa and wear a freaking vest.

I think Sembene is dead dead.

The devil's tongue? No sadly that isn't in my language wheel house. I did throw my cousins puppet out of a third story window when I was a kid for looking at me funny. It didn't die, it did however lose an eye, which made it that much more weird looking.
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Jul 07, 2015
Yes Sembene! Come back to us! someone make some voodoo happen and give us Zombie Sembene!
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Jul 07, 2015
Or Jedi Ghost Sembene
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Jul 07, 2015
Ha Yes! Robe and everything!
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Jul 07, 2015
Kudos, just kudos! This series ROCKS!!! What gorgeous acting and sublime writing. The fight scene in the cabin where Ives and Mr. Chandler kill the Pinkerton agent was primal and frigging real! Surely this show deserves multiple awards for Ives and co! I just fell in love with Josh Hartnett. And Dorian Gray character ,wow. Lily is magnificent. Wow I love this show!
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Jul 07, 2015
I'm still watching but: OMG CALIBAN!!!! What a scene! loved it!
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Jul 07, 2015
The way Caliban asked Vanessa, "Come with me? Our desolate shore?" in that anguished, but hopeful, voice was just so heartbreaking. It's beautiful, and indicative of the human nature, how much these characters long for each other's companionship, even while knowing they will bring each other pain.
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Jul 07, 2015
I honestly read Caliban/Clare's offer to Vanessa as for her, not him. She seemed so broken and defeated, exhausted instead of empowered (in that moment). I saw it as an overture of human kindness--a testament to how far this character has come since appearing on the scene, ripping Proteus (RIP) in half out of vengeance. His 2-season struggle has been with finding a place for himself amongst humanity; whereas Lily and Dorian consider themselves better than humanity by virtue of their mutual immortality, Caliban/Clare feels burdened by his own. In that final scene with Vanessa, he really was the finest specimen of humanity for her, a balm to her wounded soul (for lack of a better term; who knows what the repercussions of her break from God will be soul-wise).
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Jul 07, 2015
Yes, but the "Genius" writing these really doesn't get it, in fact right under their recap under this thing she calls him a psycho.
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