Person of Interest "Dead Reckoning" Review: End of an Issue

Person of Interest S02E13: "Dead Reckoning"

Excuse me, but have you seen my jaw? Last time I saw it, which was right around the ending of last night's episode of Person of Interest, it was dropping to the floor and burrowing into the Earth's core. Anyway, if you see it let me know. Reward: a hug!

"Dead Reckoning" played out like the second half of a two-parter (technically a three-parter if you include the episode John spent in prison) continuing the arc from the wonderfully tense and fun "Prisoner's Dilemma." At the end of that installment, Kara Stanton (editor's note: hubba hubba) took John Reese prisoner for whatever game she had planned, and in "Dead Reckoning," we saw it in action. Remind me never to play games with Kara because her games suck. If I were strapped to a bomb vest and forced to choose between the two episodes, I'd take "Prisoner's Dilemma" over "Dead Reckoning" by two lengths because that's the Person of Interest I love, with tension occasionally broken by bouts of pure comedy, but "Dead Reckoning" was a gem that accomplished some major heavy lifting. However, it was not without its problems.

But before we get to those, I'd just like to praise the show for knowing how to tell stories in this day and age of television dragging things out and viewers' suffering ADD and what was I saying? I really don't want to compare this show to Homeland, but Person of Interest's pacing, particularly in the last two episodes, can move just as fast as that of Showtime's hit. And that's because the writers have created a universe that they're not afraid to tear down a few times a season.

We've discussed the constant construction of a League of Supervillains to battle Reese and Finch's Justice League as a bonus to the series—it really establishes the show as living in its own universe. But in the last two episodes, Person of Interest killed off Agent Donnelly (you buffoon, I miss you already), Agent Mark Snow (now appearing on Netflix's House of Cards), and probably* Reese's former partner Kara Stanton (now appearing on The Following). Given their importance to the central story, that's a huge chunk to bury in the ground so quickly.

That would cripple other shows, but this series knows its bad guys have half-lives and to get the most out of them, it's best to have them stick around awhile before killing them off. It's satisfying because we know there's still so much left in Person of Interest to explore—Elias, Root, Quinn, to name a few—and the show can jump to the next story immediately. Or it can breathe deeply and run off a few standalone episodes and let us catch our breath. This thing is versatile.

I've made the comic-book comparisons before—I mean come on, the dude IS Batman—and Person of Interest continues to argue that analogy for me. This show LOVES its mini-arcs, two or three episodes strung together that tell a story that opens and closes, and dammit, I love them too. They really feel like issues of a comic, operating within the universe but telling completely satisfying tales with major stakes. The show has really proven that a series can feature standalone episodes, small arcs, and long, drawn-out serialized stories without losing its identity. And given that Person of Interest operates on 22-or-23-episode seasons, that goes a long way.

"Dead Reckoning" showed us what happened to Kara on her last mission with Reese—you know, the one with a thousand tons of explosive pink slips. After surviving the attack, she was taken under the wing of a nice old British man who just wanted to cyber-terrorize the planet. In true Person of Interest fashion we don't know his name, we don't know who he works for, and we don't know his plan, but we do know that he's fond of classic literature and thinks of himself as allied with the young gods to Kara's old god bosses. I'm not sure how literal we're supposed to take the Titan analogy (the old gods, fearing the young gods, ate their young... but were eventually killed off after choking), but it sounds like Old British Guy might be part of a group that splintered off from the CIA and is now a threat to them. Whatever the case is, it creates ANOTHER layer of bad guys for Person of Interest to play around with.

Working for answers about the people who tried to kill her, Kara captured Reese in the present day and strapped a bomb to his chest to form a two-man death squad with Snow, who was already Kara's bitch and had quit complaining about his own bomb a long time ago. We didn't know what Kara's plan was, but it was still fun to see Snow and Reese working together by beating up ATF agents in broad daylight in the parking lot of a busy diner and waltzing past security with a few stern words, all while Reese showed us how far he's come since being a CIA goon whenever Snow tried to kill someone. Our little Tin Man is really developing a heart! It turned out that Kara wasn't trying to download some government-grade super computer virus to wreak havoc, as Finch thought, she had the 2.0 version already and wanted to upload it to the government's mainframe! And after five months, the virus or whatever it was would do its thing and presumably take the global network hostage or 404 the government's operations.

Work done, Kara said, "Peace I'm out, but you stay here it's gonna be the bomb LOL!" and left Snow and Reese to go boom. The two managed to escape, with Reese sneaking up to the roof and moping about his explosive fashion accessory. That's no way for Batman to act, John! Scrotum up! Somehow, Finch was on the roof waiting for him and in a pretty contrived sequence dug up the universal unlock codes for the phone that was operating the bomb (there were five codes but only three chances to enter them before the bomb exploded, which sounds like a terribly designed app if you ask me). There was some genuine bro time, and believe me when I say I always enjoy the bro time between Reese and Finch, and on the third try, Finch guessed right and saved the series.

Snow, however, decided to go out like a pimp. As Kara got into her car to grab a celebratory Fanta, who should be in the back seat but Snow and his ticking bomb vest? KA-BOOM! Both of them dead, rather suddenly. I don't know how Snow beat Kara down to her car (maybe she took the stairs or stopped for a cigarette?) but given the results I'll let that slide. I had expected Snow to fall (haha) this episode, but I figured Kara would stick around for a while because she's such a unique nemesis for Reese. It just goes to show that Person of Interest does not mind killing off bad guys, or letting bad guys kill bad guys. Person of Interest has a whole closet full of bad guys, and more of them keep showing up at the door every week. Still, I was shocked—and, I admit, a little sad. I liked Kara (and Snow, too). At least she'll always live on in my Kara-Reese fanfic where they buy a house in the suburbs and become the adoptive parents of Finch.

But the real jaw dislocator came at the end, when the mystery of who sold the laptop that forced the Ordos mission that almost killed Reese and Kara was revealed. In the wreckage of Snow's bomb explosion, a piece of paper with the name of the perp gently fell to the ground and it read... HAROLD FINCH. DUN DUN!!!! The implication here is that Finch is partially responsible for the assassination attempt on Reese, but we're talking indirectly here, right? That laptop could have been sold to protect The Machine or under Nathan's orders. It was one of those things that was so shocking when you first see it, but after thinking about it for two nanoseconds, you realize that's more of Person of Interest trying to lead you down the wrong path. Worst case scenario, it's one of those misunderstandings that Reese and Finch can laugh off later.

If there's one thing that's not easy to swallow, it's how easily the FBI pursuit of Reese came to an end with the FBI figuring that Snow was The Man in the Suit. Two birds, meet killer stone! But with Donnelly out of the picture, that storyline had to be put to bed somehow. It wasn't entirely satisfying, but now we can move forward with other threats. Like, oh, I don't know, a cyber-terrorist attack that should go off right around the Season 2 finale?



NOTES

– I really could have spent 3,000 words talking about Reese and Bear's reunion because it was ADORABLE x 3,000. So great my heart nearly exploded. (I would have sued CBS if it did, so I guess I lose.) However, look at that .GIF and tell me that Bear isn't trying to make love to Jim Caviezel. That dog has good taste.

– For all the "work" that Reese and Snow did to clear the way for Kara, Kara herself did quite a lot. And what was up with the security in that place? Reese just talked his way in, and who knows how Kara and Finch got into the building. This episode had some holes in it.

– Maybe I should check out Far Cry 3 if two trained CIA hitmen think it sounds like real gunfire.

– I loved how Snow just sat there eating his hamburger while Kara explained how spineless he'd become. And John's line—"You'll know when I fight back."—was great too. The diner scene was amazing all around."

– Some folks seem to think Kara might still be alive. I think she's dead, though the security footage DID glitch out a bit. (Could The Machine be protecting her for some reason?) What do you think?




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Another amazing episode, the three story arc from "2 Pi R" to Dead Reckoning was a joyful ride and i hope the series continue in that fold for the rest of the season. Sad to see Kara Stanton die cuz she brings about the intresting dark past of Reese.
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Ok, so we never find out what was on the laptop? Could it be some code for The Machine?
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I'm starting to sound repetitive by now but omg, what an amazing episode!! I had begun to get serious PoI withdrawal symptoms after the (way too long) hiatus, but PoI is back with a vengeance! Let's hope that was the last hiatus in season 2, because this is the best show on TV right now and nothing else can remotely compare to it, imo. End hiatus rant.

I generally agree with the review except on two minor points, namely the supposed holes in the script on how Kara and everyone else got into the building, and how the Man-in-the-Suit investigation was shut down. These are highly trained CIA agents, they can certainly find a way to bypass security and get into the building, the episode just didn't waste time going through it because there were so many other things they needed to show us - it was a regular rollercoaster! Did anyone ever doubt Kara could get her way with practically everything and everyone? And regarding the second point, they explained the closing of the FBI investigation by the other agent's comment, that they believed Donnelly had started to get obsessed with the man in the suit and lose his objectivity. They didn't place such an importance on this case as he did. Plus, there was a bomb threat for that building, there is a security breach in the government facility and a little while afterwards a bomb explodes in a car right outside it, with two rogue CIA agents in it. Next day Donnelly is found murdered, the logical assumption from all of these is that the two agents were acting as terrorist elements and given the significance Donnelly had previously given on the Man in the Suit being rogue CIA and an enemy to the state, it's pretty much self-explanatory. If there was a questionmark left for me, it was how to explain the presence of a third person in the attempt, namely John who has been seen by Kevin the IT guy. Either Kevin won't say anything, which is unlikely, or the FBI & police will still have to wonder who the third man was.

The scene with Finch and Reese on the roof was so wonderful! Their relationship has progressed so far since they first began working together, that at this point one would sacrifice his life for the other. They both realize that but none of them makes it apparent in his behaviour, which makes it so much more significant. Reese was reminded of his past by the return of Kara, who was his nemesis like Tim pointed out very correctly. So in a way his eagerness to self-sacrifice was perhaps an attempt to atone himself for his past, a bi-product of his guilt. It was very evident from his scenes with Snow, how far he has come and how much he has changed. Finch was luckily there to save the day and didn't leave him to wallow in his guilt and get killed.

Kara is definitely dead, they found both bodies in the car and there's no way she would've had time to escape and plant another body there in a matter of seconds - because the place was swarming with police, and that's how long it would've taken them to get to the site of the explosion. That was a very exciting arc but I didn't like Kara, so I'm glad she's dead! I liked Snow a little more, but I still can't forgive him for framing Carter to get John killed in the previous season, so in a way he also got what he deserved.

I think the British guy's speech about the Titans not only has to do with his own plan to infiltrate government electronic systems, but also with the reasons behind Finch's action to sell the laptop to the Chinese. Because he did give it as an answer to Kara's related questions, and the show generally never strays from its pattern of linking the past to the present. So perhaps Finch was trying also to destroy something from the inside, whether that was the government, the people behind Nathan's death who operated as a black branch of the government, or the Chinese who were trying to compromise the machine? I somehow believe there is a darker story behind this, that has to do with Nathan's death and Finch's role in it. A crazy theory of mine is that Nathan didn't die, and he is the super-wealthy, super-secret person behind Kara's employer, trying to regain control of the machine. It was clear he disagreed with the way it was used, and perhaps Finch played a part in his death that might have been a little more dubious. Finch is very secretive and we don't know what happened with Nathan. So in my theory he might be the mastermind puling the strings on the opposite site - there might come a time when the myth of their brotherhood will also be torn down.

I don't agree that John would just laugh it off if he found out, as it is he has no clue about Harold's involvement in the Ordos mission, or Jessica's death that ensued. If he finds out he might not actually be able to forgive Harold.

Carter and Fusco were kind of on the backseat on this episode, so there isn't really much to comment on that front, except how the scene with Fusco trying to pull Carter away from John was very moving. But with so many CIA agents running around it's kind of understandable that they would get less screen time.

I'm sorry Donnelly is after all dead, I was kinda hoping he might have survived and we would see him again, he was a cool actor and a cool character.

Overall another great episode, with tons of excitement, plot reversals, big reveals, dramatic moments, amazing acting and a tremendous amount of hints and background to start a whole new arc in the rest of the season. I love how unpredictable this show is, and how it never allows us to rest on our assumptions but always manages to surprise the hell out of us!
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I'm sorry to burst your bubble on the breaks but there are only 9 episodes left of the season (or 10 if they get the nod for the extra one upon renewal) but 13 to 14 weeks left of the season. So yes, we will have more breaks. Probally in March during March Madness. ;)
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Awhhh... bummer :(
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Going into this episode I didn't think Reese was actually going to die, so the fun for me was seeing how he got into that situation and how he got out of it. I think Snow was secretly biding his time until he would have an opportunity to take Kara out and Reese came in with his cowboy attitude and messed everything up. But, he sped up his plan at the end and so everything worked out for the best.
Regarding "Harold" being the name on the small, burned piece of paper that floated away from Kara's exploded car. IF Harold Finch is responsible for selling the laptop that led to Kara and Reese's China mission, he didn't do it on his own. My guess is that Nathan Ingram is somehow behind it. Only time will tell...
And the scene with Reese and Bear was really good!
The moments with Reese and Finch on the roof and Reese, Carter, and Fusco were good as well. I love how Fusco was willing to just walk away and leave Reese to explode because Reese told him to. Maybe there's nothing to that, but I found it interesting.
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It all felt a bit too easy for me to be great episode. Like most others here, I loved last weeks episode. I think it could also be time for more good guys.......... There has to come a point when a good guy is killed off.... otherwise the lack of consequence of the risks they are taking is going to make the show too light, lacking in depth. I don't imagine that being Carter or Fusco. John got shot by a CIA marksman but was back in action almost immediately.

I think the 'almost got killed but just saved in time' can only be done a certain number of times. I hope this episode will be the last for a while that does this.

Personally, I would like to see more focus on them attempting to take down Elias. I didn't find it so believable that in the episode with the baby. after almost killing her, John would not have wanted to take him down, or at least being him under a certain amount of control.And then with Carter's son. It seemed out of character to some degree that the person we are getting to know better and better would not simply want to end that type of threat. So I am hoping this is where this season might go, before we get to cyber terrorism.
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What is to take down with Elias? Currently he's in jail.

As far fetched as the they always survive issue might be, when you have a small cast and you kill someone off and replace them you do stand the risk of your audiance not accepting the new character. Heck LOST was a huge cast and had several new people that wen't accepted and had to be killed off because of it. It's one thing if an actor decided not to renew a contract but I don't see them offing any of the 4 unless that happens any time soon. At least not in the first few years.
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I love this show and usually, don't care to pick apart any bit pieces but I do find it extremely funny that going up to the DOD place on the 21st floor, they were talking about the security being Delta force and all it took was Reese and Snow hiding in the elevator and one quick shot each to take them down lol Not to mention if it's a secret 21st floor, Carter and Fusco could just take the stairs and walk right in.

Still, another awesome episode. I was still getting over the fact that Kara ran into their car in the previous episode, taking out Donnelly and then Snow goes and BLOWS THEM UP! Seriously, how I adore this show.

And Bear + Reese = <3 <3 <3
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Reese took out both Delta guys himself so he could kneecap them and prevent Mark from killing one of them. And Reese could do that becuase he had the same black-ops training and he had the element of surprise.
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No I get that. Still, the whole purpose of having Delta security should be to prevent breaches onto the floor. I just found it comical that highly trained guys were taken out with one bullet each. At least a bit of a fight would have been fun. But that's just me.
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Far Cry 3 is awesome.
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I think POI it's a so so series, but it's fun. This is by far the worst episode in the series. Ok, maybe I lost some episode, but I don't know why Kara wanted to kill Reese, they both had been framed and he is a ghost. But she put so much attention in our heroe as if he was the bad guy. Kara spent two years in carrying a mission for a Titans fan who has more resources than a bad ex CIA agent. She is decided to upload information to a driver. But then, instead of killing the witness, letting DOD asking for years what happen in that floor she left the man in charge knowing her plans and two people with bombs in the same place the driver is in. That are some things I remember. About Finch, we all know there will be a missunderstanding or something. No one can take Finch as a villain after al his recent actions.
I'm hoping Alistair Wesley (Julian Sands) to comeback, he was the only villain I care.
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Kara took John because she enjoyed abusing him and abuser always want their prey under their conrol. She finally got to control him again. It didn't matter that John as set up with Kara. Kara is a psycopath and everything is about her need to control and to kill. She got to do both in this game of hers. Once the game was over she was done with him again.

Kara did intend to kill the DOD guy with the bombs she armed on Reese and Snow. She knew that John would interfer if she tried to shoot him and that could set the bomb off while she was there. So she set the bombs for 5 mins and locked them into a room to give herself time to flee. But all three of them were supposed to die that night.

And yes, knowing the character of Harold Finch, the fact that he has been accused of selling the laptop means that he probally didn't do it or if he did it wasn't intentional.
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Ok Lee, I understand you bought the thing about Kara wasting time tracking and using John knowing still he will be a pain in the... I didn't bought it you did. It's fine by me. We agree on disagree.
But your second point.. the bomb control it's in Kara's hand, there is no way John can detonate that bomb. Kara left them in the same place the driver and the computers are. I mean she uploaded information to that machine just to left two bombs in the same place, instead of just killing the three men and let DOD scratching his brains. He left them alive with a ticking bomb in the same room where the driver and the computers are. Sorry, I don't know if you understand my point.
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I guess I don't because she was done with the computers by then and actually benifited from the whole room blowing up so that what was on the hard drive couldn't be discovered. But she needed time to get out safely. I completely understand what she did and why. You don't and that's ok too.
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Well of COURSE she'd blow it up, she already used the room for her purposes, she doesn't WANT the government to see what she's done - it fits her plan perfectly if they don't figure out what she's done until the five months are up...
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Almaferoz, how is it dumb? Kara had already uploaded her playload. Now it was time to destroy the evidence and the witnesses. But if she shoots them strait out she could set off the bombs while she is still there. So she armed the bombs to go off in 5 mins, giving her time to get to safety and destroy the room while also killing the witneses FIVE MINUTES LATER. She didn't plan on Reese and Mark getting the door open. She didn't count on Reese taking the hard drive and giving it to Harold to inspect.
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This is what happen in the last part of the episode...
John: What is this room?
DOD Guy: Where we monitor the government's most secure networks against cyber attacks. From here she could reach...
Kara: Everything
And then she left two guys with bombs in that same room. Knowing it could take several months to reestructurate everything. Isn't that dumb?
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I don't want Kara to be dead, but I don't really see a way for her to be alive. I didn't see the glitch, and the last we saw of her was her attempting to get in her own back seat at Snow. Kind of hard to get out of your car from that position... but then again, I'm not CIA trained.
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Even after the glitch (and you have to just watch the seconds count up in the corner of the screen to see it) the machine boxed two people inside the car, one all red one for a perp (Kara) and one red cornered with white dashes for a victim (Snow).
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Good episode which moved the story forward an gave us the deaths of two major enemies.About the question, I think that Stanton is dead for real this time.
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I agree 100% with the wrap-up into the investigation of "the man in the suit" being too quick and too convenient. They could have still wrapped it up, but the man who said the case was closed should have somehow blamed it on Donnelly, saying the man's obsession with the case blew it out of proportion and the FBI wants to wrap it up with Donnelly's death (it would also add a guilty kind of kick in the face to a good agent, which Carter would feel). Ah well.

On Kara: I'll be disappointed if she comes back, unless she comes back extremely maimed or something (and that's not because I want to see her maimed -- on the contrary, she's quite hot as it is -- but for realism's sake). The reverse camera angle from the machine clearly showed no one escaping from the car up to the blast (the shot should have shown her struggling with the door as she seemed to just before Snow's vest went off). There are currently enough villains in the show, and obviously more up and coming, so she does not need to come back. And how DID she get into that computer room without the handprint??

As for Harold being the one who sold the laptop, the lead-up to him being the name was pretty obvious, but I agree with Tim that the implications can leave your head spinning if you let them. Had Kara not been blown up I would say it was the old man using her to try and get rid of Finch, who's machine they want control of. Since she script knew she was going to be toast, I think it's just a way of letting us know who the next player and his target is, tying it nicely into the action without it being obvious exposition.
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The wrap up could have been due to a feeling that donnelly was becoming obsessed with the case but I don't see Agent Moss telling that to Carter directly after she praised his character. Becasue yes, it would be a kick to the face and why would Moss want to do that to a person he just met?

I also don't understand your reasoning that Kara being blown up means that Greer (the old man) couldn't have been using her to find Finch. The writters knew Kara was toast but Greer wouldn't have known that.
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Lee: Thanks for the reply. You might have misunderstood me slightly. I did not mean that Agent Moss would have been kicking Carter directly in the teeth, so to speak, and therefore doubting her character in any way by so casually letting go of (or at least the FBI via Moss) the 'man in the suit' case, but rather it would have been a kick in the face, in the internal context of the show, to Donnelly, one which Carter would have felt (but Moss not have known she did), because she knows they all own part of the guilt in a good agent's death.

True, Greer did not know Kara was dead, but that's where script-writing and directing is clever, and how this episode cleverly wrapped up that little chapter of the story (of the season). Greer gave Kara what she wanted, and it seemed pretty clear, especially in retrospect, that they were more or less washing their hands of each other. And IF Greer was depending on her, then he's screwed, but we know that's not going to be the case. It was a device to let the audience know who the mystery man was (Finch), and to cleverly let you know where things are going with the show.
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Knowing Harold's character I still don't buy that he willing did anything that would compromise the machine. So I do believe that Greer lying to Kara is one explanation about giving up Harold's name. Or he's being framed by someone at the time the laptop was sold is another possibility. I just don't think I could believe that Finch ever purposly did anything that would compromise his work.

I also don't see Agent Moss saying to Carter "I understand you think Donnelly was a good agent but we think he lost focus on this case and blah blah blah so we are closing it" would solve anything despite that fact that that could be the very reason the FBI washed their hands of the case. And with Fusco asking Carter if she's alright now and her reponse that she's clearly not sure yet does suggest that she has some doubts about her work with Reese and Finch and her future because of it.
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Lee: I don't think Harold willingly did anything either -- I think part of the 'revelation' with the name is meant, as Tim pointed out, to make people think all sorts of possibilities.

As for your comment on Moss, again, I think your missing my point (and as such I don't think I'm explaining well). The FBI closed the case VERY suddenly, and far too neatly. I'm not saying that suggesting part of the quick wrap-up was due to Donnelly's obsession is the ONLY way it could have had more depth and been a little less convenient and more believable, I'm saying it's one way. And yes I know Carter has doubts, and adding guilt to the equation (or at least more of it) would have also added more to the moral dilemma of it all -- she's not just doing good by helping these guys, she's contributing to the bad parts as well.

Anyway, thanks for the chat. Always good to hash it out with a fellow fan.
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Lee: What I meant to add in my run-on sentence in my reply was that Moss hinting that Donnelly had gone overboard and that was part of the rush to close the case so neatly is that it would have added a stronger layer to it, and not have seemed so casual given the otherwise strong calibre of the story-telling. It also would have been a very economical way of raising the doubt again about the path Carter is walking by working with Finch and Reese.
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"If there's one thing that's not easy to swallow, it's how easily the FBI pursuit of Reese came to an end with the FBI figuring that Snow was The Man in the Suit." Yes and No. The FBI clearly was not on board with Donnelly's "Man in the Suit" pursuit. I think long term this is a bait and switch. The FBI isn't pursuing the "Man in the Suit" anymore but the "Invsible Man" aka the man whose name they now ostensibly have from the wreckage of the Snow/Stanton blast, Harold Finch. Was this name a target, a co-conspirator, mastermind?

A name with no background or past (at least as explained by British Guy) would be a red flag in any terrorist investigation. While they aren't looking for the "Man in the Suit" they may in fact be able to "link" information they find out about Finch to the "Man in the Suit"'s NYC activities, just not the "Man in the Suit" they think they have. If they pursue Finch under the mistaken belief that he is associated with Snow (and Stanton, and the DoD breach) that is some serious tension/drama and PoI does that exceptionally well!
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Why didn't Stanton kill Carter when she killed Donnelly?
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That's a good question, because she really should have. Unless Carter just did a good job of playing dead.
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I think you're right. Carter fell unconscious right after Donnelly was shot. Kara may have thought Carter was too injured, dead, or at least not a threat thinking Carter hadn't seen her. Kara is (was) a stone cold sociopath, but also a professional. The mission priority was to get Reese outta there. But I also think a sociopath like Kara might have casually fired a bullet into Carter just for the hell of it.
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Oh, and Carter was conscious long enough to know that Kara was the one who took John too.
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Actually Kara is a psycopath, Root is the sociopath.
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Awesome review! The only thing you're missing is the Carter and Fusco love man!! You can't keep leaving out two members of the fantastic four.:)
- LOVED this episode. It's weird because it did have plenty of holes in it, I definitely agree with that. Iit shouldn't have been as good as it was because of that, but the thing about POI is even with moments like that I don't even care. I still love it. Like why did Kara need John really? I mean was it just that she has a fondness for John? She thought he'd dig the revenge? She somehow knew something about John and finch? She had Snow, she didn't really need John. Plus she managed to do most of the crap she was forcing them to do herself, so why not just do it herself? The security was sketchy. The bomb vests were ridiculous...I mean that was the longest interval of time ever! the end of the man in the suit case was also a bit unbelievable, i mean when John goes and saves others in his suit, people aren't going to talk again? But who cares because this show is awesome.
-I am a sucker for character development, character growth, revelations, dynamics, interactions. Love that stuff, nuanced performances...the works. These characters are at their best in how they interact with one another now and I love it. There was a time when Finch wasn't too keen on trusting Carter or even liking her because she got John shot. He's since graduated to teasing her about her dates, his one on ones with her are always fun and interesting to me because they hadn't previously interacted much. I loved how he was able to calmly talk her through the aftermath of the accident and reminding her to get the hell out of there etc. There was a genuine concern there. It was most enjoyable. He actually called her Joss, something that he never does, and John only does when times are dire and he's being most sincere. Finch typically calls her Detective, even calling her Carter implies a burgeoning friendship that wasn't previously there. Also, Carter and Fusco. On one hand she still keeps him at arms length with some things, but no one can say that they don't have each others backs. As indicated with how he looked out for her with the earring thing. I love their partnership, it isn't as fun or as integral as Finch and Reese but it is its own thing. The only dynamic that is nearly as interesting as Finch and Reese is Reese and Carter. If it hadn't been picked up previously it was never more apparent as now. She is his moral compass. I love that. It's a special bond that they have, a mutual respect and a reverence of some kind. Whatever it is, I love it. They were spectacular playing off of each other in the previous episode, and their scenes were great in this one. She did not want to let him go and was willing to risk her life for it, if not for her son she would have, and he knew that. Loved that scene with him and her and Fusco. But obviously the bromance is the best. Finch and Reese on the rooftop was fantastic. they've come a long way and it has never been more apparent just how dedicated they are to one another as it has been this season. The scene was anti- climatic and kind of contrived and ridiculous in some ways but it was still fantastic because it was them! And Bear and Reese made my night. A cherry on top of the awesome dynamics of this show. Love Bear.
-Snow was awesome in this episode. I love how he was just eating the burger like he no longer gave a crap. He was all ready to just kill dudes to get it over with, and nothing was more badass then him chilling in the backseat with kara because if you're going to go out you may as well go out with a bang and take that crazy broad down with you. I respect that!
-The Finch thing didn't surprise me at all. But I loved that development. I don't think Harold would be knowing responsible for Reese, but I can see him finding out and that being the reason that Reese was his guy. I mean he had clearly been aware of and watching reese for a long time, which we've sort of seen hints at in previous flashbacks.
-I love that this show has so many big bads being juggled but it doesn't get too messy. Elias is still and will forever be a factor even if he is in jail. Kara may or may not be dead, but she did lead to a bigger bad. Snow may be dead but that doesn't mean anything. Donnolly is off of their back but the investigation could pop up again somehow, the CIA should still be after them, and Root is still out there, and Quinn is still out there, and there is always the possibility for retaliation somehow. always someone lurking in the shadows...I love the sense of danger that comes with that.
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John was always Kara's abuse victim. As a psyscopath she got her jollys killing people but she also enjoyed abusing John. Capturing him and forcing him to help with her plan was a game to her that she was enjoying. She also probally knew that John would be better at getting past the Delta Force guys at the elevator door then Mark would have been and why should she risk doing it herself when she could force John to do it.

I do agree with your assessments of the character development of our team of four. They were spot on. I've watched the scene with Carter, Reese and Fusco like 20 times already. It was heartbreaking.
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"If there's one thing that's not easy to swallow, it's how easily the FBI pursuit of Reese came to an end with the FBI figuring that Snow was The Man in the Suit" - I agree, this felt a little bit forced and easy...but it had gone on long enough, and it was necessary. With this, they're closing the door of the 'man in the suit' and opening another much larger storyline...
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Awesome episode as usual. Unlike Tim, there were no holes in the episode to me. Kara and Finch getting in the building obviously wasn't easy, they just know how to talk the talk and walk the walk. They make it LOOK easy, but it is nowhere near easy! They're trained professionals!!! Also, POI, like you said, has a load of criminals to use, so losing three major players in three episodes is really no big deal. However, that should also give you solace that POI doesn't need humor in EVERY episode to be good or great. It's simply a great show period.

As for Stanton and Snow, good riddance!!! I liked them as villains, especially Kara, but those two freaking a-holes had to go!!

I don't think Finch sold the laptop to the Chinese. That is so unFinch-like its nearly laughable. I think those "old gods" of the CIA used his work with the machine, corrupted it for computer viral warfare, and sold it themselves, and used Finch as a target. That's my rat bastard theory. I was still beyond surprised at that revelation, and have now really come to realize just how much of a God Finch is when it comes to information technology and staying invisible!!!

As for your comparisons with Reese to Batman, I don't really see it, given Batman was a billionaire on his own, plus witnessed the murder of his own parents. We've still never seen Reese's parents yet lol!! Reese is awesome with his fighting and weapon skills, and Finch is great with his hacking and intellectual skills. One cannot work without the other. Batman for the most part was filled with the best of both worlds within himself. There is no comic book comparison needed. Reese is simply great as Reese, not as a Batman counterpart. That's just how I see it.
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Well, it is the ATF, and I would assume they have as much authority at a bomb scene as the 'bomb squad' would, since they're under different branches of the government. I'll agree that Kara and Finch getting in is 'story driven' magic.

On another note, after rewinding and watching the video twice, i'm sure Kara didn't make it out. The first car scene, they show her reaching into the back to get at Snow or the bomb, and then in the second scene they show someone moving in the front seat right before the bomb explodes. Both scenes show the same thing, which is that Kara didn't have nearly enough time to do what she was trying to do. :(

I have to agree about that being a really crappy app for a phone. Great show, great review, and here's to the next installment of both.
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I have a scenario for maybe season 3 or 4 of POI. During the interrogation Reese answers Carters question if he ever killed anyone. What if the man Reese killed was Carter's husband. the photo of the man in uniform Finch found in Carter's car could have been her husband. If Reese was in the military at the time he stated he could have crossed paths with Carter's husband. I find it interesting that Reese has not seen the photo. As these two get closer it will be interesting to find out Carter's reaction and the chain of events when she learns Reese killed her husband. But just some food for thought.
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Reese would know the different between an insurgent and a US solider and so would the goverment. So I hightly doubt that. Reese also did investigate Carter when she was chasing him so he probally knows who her husband was as well as what happened to him. In Get Carter Reese askes Finch "did you know she had a son?" Finch's response was "didn't know you cared" with Reese replying "it pays to know who's coming after you". I took that to mean that Reese had already investigated Carter and know her history.

I actually have a feeling we are going to find that Carter's husband's death is connected to 9/11 someway too since the show is about a comp system build because of 9/11 and both Reese and Finch's lives were directly changed by that event too. Gives all three of them a common ground and a way for Carter to accept the machine when she does finally learn of it.
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I like it.
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Awsome episode. Best scene,I agree with Bear humping John:D
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Not necessary. Bear is dog!
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Yes...Bear is a dog. Nice observation...what gave him away??
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mcepin3 & leslie - thanks, I just choked on my apple martini whilst reading your thread here. Too funny! : )
(I guess no more drinking and reading POI comments)?
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Awwwwwwwwwwww Bear!

Nice episode. The Harold Finch reveal probably could've been done better, as it was obvious to me from the moment they brought it up. Everything else was pretty great, though. I'll miss both Kara and Snow. Also, I'm inclined to believe Kara's dead, but I find it hilarious that the writers/director/whoever decided to have the camera "glitch" for about 8 seconds, just before the car blows.
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exactly, the moment they cut to dark, something's off.. same for the emphasis they placed on 'the person who sold the laptop in the 1ST place'.. it does feel like Kara's gonna be back but for Finch this time..
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I thought this as well, and I wouldn't put it past the creative team to bring Kara back, but those 7 seconds were her starting her car and Snow's words to her imo. This raises the question tho about what happened elsewhere during those 7 seconds, as well as what future implications the virus will have on the Machine. (gasp)
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When the camara came back after the 7 second glitch the machine still boxed two people (one all red, one with the red corners and white inward lines) in the car.
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POI strikes again with another winning script! I think we are all getting really spoiled by this great show. I do think Kara Stanton is dead - she took another job at Fox on "The Following". Will miss her. I am now thinking it might be really neat if Root was to join forces with Finch & Reese in saving the country from the cyber attack in 5 months. She wants to "set the Machine free." Wondering how that will work? And Bear doesn't need any other treats - just Reese! Loved the reunion between these 2 and just seeing that big Caviezel smile while he played with Bear was a treat for me!
Keep it going POI writers - you've produced a masterpiece.
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Susan Misner (Jessica) also got a new gig on The Following as Ryan's sister, Jenny. Both of these POI characters have plenty of story potential that could be mined in Reese 's back story, so it will be interesting to see what the writers do.
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Excellent review and an spetacular episode. I think they door open, maybe Kara is actually dead, maybe not. Amazing scene of explosion, Kara's backstory, great scenes between Carter and Reese, and Reese and Finch. Definitely one of my favorite of this incredible season.
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Kara and Snow are dead, so 2 enemies down, but now we got the new Shadowy Agency which can be gazillion times more dengerous
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They showed the explosion a second time, to make it clear that Kara had been killed.
Annie Parisse has joined the cast of The Following.
Sarah Shahi will recur on Person of Interest beginning Feb. 21.
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Did anyone notice the shadow of a cross before Finch entered the final numbers to diffuse the bomb? thought that was interesting.
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In the episode where John gets out of prison he goes through a doorway that looks like a cross. Caviezel is apparently very religious, so it's probably his idea to insert stuff like that into the show. I don't mind as long as it's subtle.
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There is a lot of religious imagery in the background on this show, but I don't think Jim has that much control to put it in. It comes from Jonah Nolan, who went to Catholic school and university. In the producer commentary to the extended pilot, when Reese is standing next to a cross, Greg P. said to Nolan something to the effect of, "There's the redemptive image you like." Met by silence from Nolan. In the first half dozen episodes, we played Spot the Virgin Mary. Now, it's Hear the Churchy Names: Corpus Christi, a town called Bishop, characters named Pope and Chapel. It's fun and it doesn't detract from the stories.
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Great review Tim, nice to see that despite how often you grotesquely get it wrong about shows sometimes you get it right :)
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Loved this episode. Favorite scenes: Kara being blown to kingdom come. Reese saying goodbye to carter witn hands interlocked. And the best--Bear all over Reese.

Greatest line: Finch to Reese "are you going to shoot me."

BEst show on tv in 45 years.
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There goes my Reese-Kara shipping.. :'(
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You seriously ships a sexually abusive relationship?
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lets say i like badass couples :P
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Now you can ship Reese and Carter because that is exactly where Nolan is headed with these two. And for all the Carter haters if you can't see that you are blind or refuse to accept it . Nolan has been hinting at this from Reese and Carter connected.
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Well, I totally love Carter, but I really wish they don't go there. I think this show is great without the "will they won't they" marshmallow so many other shows put me to sleep with. I don't mind a little bit of romance and I love the Grace flashbacks and the Beecher/Rhonda parts for both Carter and Fusco. But I'd be grateful if these (wonderfully clever) writers didn't shove romance between main characters down our throats. I read Carter's reaction to John's imminent kaboum death as the natural reaction of someone who really cares (just as Fusco's, given the part he had to play of taking Carter away).
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You can ship in flashbacks! ;-)
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There is no way Harold would have 'sold' the laptop (which is effectively the Machine) to the Chinese or anyone else for that matter. The Machine is his creation, his 'baby' if you like.

He built it to protect people and handed it over to the US Government for precisely that purpose. His motivations were pure right from the beginning. When he realised the Government may be using his creation for wrong doing, he gained access not for his own benefit but so he could continue doing good.

A man like Harold would never just hand over access to the Machine to a foreign power, especially one with China's human rights record. Clearly Stanton was just being used by 'the powers that be' to get to Harold precisely because he is a force for good, a force which is equal to and possibly greater than their force for evil and they know it!
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We don't really know what was on the computer that Harold suppossedly sold the Chinese tho, do we? I seriously doubt it is 'the Machine' code, or really even anything related to it. It'll be interesting to see what was on it. Maybe clues were dropped that I missed?
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I don't think you missed anything yet, I think the laptop is at this point one more mystery to explore, together with the shadowy organization the British guy-Jonah's uncle, hehe- belongs too (and possibly Alastair?

On the other hand, we don't know much either about Harold's past, both biographically and morally speaking. When he was building the machine and they came to know about the irrelevant numbers, Nathan was the one who didn't want to let go without intervening and he was the one who opened the back door to the machine. He was the one concerned about the acts of violence on individuals that the machine could detect. At that point, Harold was just working on an assignment.
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Remember though that at first, Cindy's motivation seemed to be strictly for the good of the machine and its directive. It was Nathan who first showed compassion for the irrelevant list. Something happened that changed Harold's heart--and, Mr. Nolan, it better be worth the wait to find out what that was.
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That's right. Harold was perfectly happy handing over the machine and getting on with life with Grace. Nathan wanted the back door but Harold flatly refused to build it, so Nathan snuck in and did it himself. I agree that whatever happened to Nathan made Finch change direction.
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Totally right! Sorry I wrote the same above without checking on the following comments. Nathan is such a wonderful, mysterious character!
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OK. It autocorrected to Cindy, for Pete's sake. That should read "Finch."
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Oh! an Awesome Episode , this show is getting bigger and better . The best thing is characters , Finch is so Awesome and with a little twist at the end , he is becoming more and more interesting <3
Reese is great , Carter and Fusco are cool now and the scene when Reese was saying goodbye to carter ,oh Geez , it was so great!!!!
I don't care about Bear really , only characters matter to me,unless they brought him in Action scenes again :D.
Overall, Great episode and i can see that this show now has a great hero team , best geek character on tv right now 'Finch' and a variety of awesome villains!!!
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Ok, in Ordos we see Reese pretty far away from the cruise missile strike suggesting he got a minute or so to run away. Even though Stanton was shocked I think we can reasonably assume that it wouldn't have taken her more than a few seconds for her own survival instinct to kick in, so it's reasonable to accept her as surviving that incident.

In the car however she had a couple of seconds and she was diving towards the bomb... If she's not dead then the show has clearly decided that Scotty and his teleporter beamed her out. Every show creates a universe and rules to go by it... there's no way Stanton should be alive.

Oh well, I loved Kara Stanton's character, gave me great respect for the actress and she's now 75% of the reason I'm watching The Following.
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worst episode ever, they could have shot her at least six times before she could reach the phone to arm the bom, also what use is a bom in a close envirement with you in it??
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She is dead !!! The blast radius plus gasoline & sharpnel would kill her ! 10+ secs wouldnt save her . She would be injured luckily & Fusco & Carter were there in secs so she is dead ! LOVE the episode
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I do not think Finch is actually the one who sold the laptop. More likely to me would be that the “new gods” bad guys somehow got to know about Finch and tried to frame him and send Kara after him.
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I dont thnk Kara is dead, cos in the final moments shown as a flashback, as Tim said the camera had glitched out for 8 seconds and I believe for a CIA agent its enough of time to get out. Loved the episodes inspite of its flaws.
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If you watch more carefully you will see that the dialog inside the car between Snow and Stanton more than those eight (8) seconds that are missing from the security camera don't even cover that, and after the glitch there are still 2 red squares inside the car and you can see movement in the drivers seat
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;-) - She survived a cruise missile... A snowbomb is just peanuts compared.
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Please, I knew it was Finch the moment they didn't let Old British Dude tell her straight up who it was in the hospital scene. I was actually a little disappointed by how obvious that twist was--the reason I first fell in love with POI was because it was the only crime procedural on TV where the outcome often wasn't obvious, and it's becoming more predictable this season. Mind you, I still love it.
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My first thought was "Finch? No, too obvious...and seems kind of dumb. It's probably Finch's dead partner".
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Agreed, POI is interesting in the first season because the twists are real twists, not because the characters are stupid. But then, even though this season they slack a little, I'm extremely forgiving because the show is still super awesome in every other way.
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Excellent episode, though I was surprised they wrapped up the Stanton involvement so quickly. She's even scarier than Root. It would have been interesting to see the stand-off with Reese had she managed to get to Finch.

I think John has been working for The Machine since he joined the CIA. Here's why:

1) In the pilot, Reese was flagged with a yellow box in the subway footage and again as he was leaving the police station. That was before he met Finch, so yellow does not necessarily equate to knowing about The Machine.

2) In "Mission Creep" Reese was flagged with a yellow box when he met Jessica at the airport. At that time he was on his way to meet Stanton for his first CIA mission (and his new name). (Stanton also said that the information they received about the two CIA agents accepting a bribe was from an "anonymous source; very reliable," i.e., The Machine.)

3) Also in the pilot, Finch tells John that he has been watching him for a very long time.

I don't think Finch sold the laptop. It is likely that The Machine provided the intel that sent Reese and Stanton to Ordos to *find* the stolen laptop. Stanton didn't know about The Machine so she was looking for a "person," i.e., Finch. It was the either the CIA or the government-guy-in-charge-of-handing-off-Machine-intel who ordered Reese and Stanton to "retire" one another and them mopped up with an airstrike.
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I wonder if British Old Man is related to Alistair Wesley from "Critical"?
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Good question. That guy came out of left field and I was never clear if he was working for himself or someone else.
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I remembered Wesley because he claimed to have remembered Reese from his CIA days in Istanbul. Fast-forward to this current episode, and you've got Greer telling Stanton he knows "almost everything" about her. Connection? I think so.
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Makes sense. Reese said he didn't remember Wesley and Wesley said that was the point. So if Reese and Stanton were being surveilled, did these guys already know where they were going to be sent?
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*Reese's CIA days, Wesley was allegedly MI6.
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I can't believe I'm saying this about any show on the big four, let alone a cbs procedural, but there was moment were I actually thought Reese was going to die. That's how good this show is, it got me invested enough to believe that was a possible outcome. It only lasted a moment but for a network show that is a hell of an accomplishment.
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Excellent episode, though I was surprised they wrapped up the Stanton involvement so quickly. She's even scarier than Root. It would have been interesting to see the stand-off with Reese had she managed to get to Finch.

I think John has been working for The Machine since he joined the CIA. Here's why:

1) In the pilot, Reese was flagged with a yellow box in the subway footage and again as he was leaving the police station. That was before he met Finch, so yellow does not equate to knowing about The Machine.

2) In "Many Happy Returns" Reese is flagged with a yellow box when he meets Jessica at the airport. At that time he was on his way to meet Stanton for his first CIA mission (and his new name). (Stanton also says that the information they received about the two CIA traitors was from a "very reliable source," i.e., The Machine.)

3) Also in the pilot, Finch tells John that he has been watching him for a very long time.

I don't think Finch sold the laptop. It is likely that The Machine provided the intel that sent Reese and Stanton to Ordos to *find* the stolen laptop. Stanton didn't know about The Machine so she was looking for the "person" she thinks was responsible, i.e., Finch. It was the either the CIA or the government-guy-in-charge-of-handing-off-Machine-intel who ordered Reese and Stanton to "retire" one another and them mopped up with an airstrike.
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Jonah Nolan explained in one of the commentaries on the Season 1 DVD set that the flashbacks are the machine retrieving archival data to review. So flashbacks are being rewatched in present time and the machine can box any one now even it it wouldn't have boxed them then.

A yellow box means knows about and is working for the machine. Carter and Fusco work for the machine but don't know about it so are still white. The airport scene was an archive retrevial with the machine boxing him yellow because he is working for and knows about the machine now even if he wasn't then.

The pilot having him yellow is most likely a continituity error before they better decided on the rules of how to box people via the machine. It can happen before a show finds its flow. Or it could be that the machine knew that Finch was going to offer Reese a job and tell him about the machine and knew that Reese would accept and got ahead of itself.

Either way you look at it though, the orders that John and Kara were receiving were often intel from the machine. They just didn't know it existed then.
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A little fun trivia. That old Brit guy is actually Jonathan and Christopher Nolan's uncle, John Nolan. You may remember seeing him as a Wayne Ind. board member called 'Douglas Fredericks' in Nolan's Batman films.
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He reminded me a little of Alfred, Bruce Wayne's butler and keeper of the Bat Cave.
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"...being dead. I'm gonna be great at it."
One of the best going out lines ever. :)
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I have a question. In the end of the episode when we see Kara walking to the car while on the phone, the machine shows her in a complete RED box on her head. But Snow sitting inside is shown with a box only with red corners but the lines were white! Now, Admin aka Finch is yellow! Reese is also yellow. Key bad guys have been tagged as Red. But this is the first time I see a box with red and white! My immediate thought was "Does the machine have the capability to sense that Snow, is his last act of what could be redemption, decided that if he has to go, he will take Kara with her, then the Machine is kinda making him to be on his way to be a good guy?"

Help me out folks! What say you.
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Boxes with red corners and white inward lines mean a person in immenent dange of being harmed.
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Then should'nt Kara box be the same colour? After all, the vest took them both out?
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Being harmed or causing harm. Snow was the one about to blow up.
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Kara was boxed in all red because she was responsible for the bomb and, therefore, the threat.
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Did you see John's smile when he was with Bear? Did you see it! My heart skipped a beat, it was a beautiful thing to behold! So full of joy and pure delight to be alive!!!!!!!
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Oh yes!!! It's amazing how much he conveys with his eyes and those rare smiles!
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I agree with Tim that Greer giving Finch's name to Kara is a misdirection. Greer was probably just hoping that she was good enough to find the mystery man whom Greer and his team (whoever they are) have been unable to find. Finch wouldn't sell the laptop (he's a gazillionaire), unless it was strictly for verisimilitude, that is, to convince the Chinese agents that it was for real when it really wasn't. More his style to just give it away, like he did the internet. And he has been hiding for 40 years--he attended MIT under a false identity. Whatever drove him underground, it wasn't Ordos. It happened a very long time ago.

I love the idea that Reese and Finch will reach out to Root for help in stopping the cyber attack. Unless, of course, she's the author of it. But I can't imagine that she would plot to destroy the free world's cyberspace, because it is so essential to her very being.

Biggest plot hole for me was Carter walking away from that car wreck, and later no one realizing she'd been there earlier except FUSCO?! What, the FBI is not going to process this car and find her fingerprints in Donelley's blood all over the place?! I actually thought that Finch would arrange to have the accident scene destroyed to protect her, by somehow remotely blowing it to smithereens before the authorities arrived.

The other question is, will the sloppy FBI ignore fingerprints but pick up that charred piece of paper with Harold's name on it? Season-ending cliffhanger: FBI arrests Harold just 0.07 minutes BEFORE he can stop the cyber disaster!
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It was made to appear that the FBI consdidered Kara the murder of Donnelly (they were right on that) and closed the investigation thus stopping any further investigation. Flimsy but Finch could always have swaped out the bimetric data for Carter like she did for Reese.
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The paper with Finch's name on it was seen burning to a crisp, I doubt anyone will find it.
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The countdown for the virus on Finch's computer screen shows 3,936 hours, which is 164 days. That last scene with Reese and Finch in the Library took place on November 19th, 2012 (as shown by The Machine), meaning 164 days later would be May 2nd, 2013.

May 2nd will not only be one day after Reese's birthday, it will also be exactly one year since the events of "Many Happy Returns."

Also, Finch is not stupid enough to use an alias which the Chinese government and Old British Man know about, so I'd say it's likely we've just witnessed the first indicator that Nathan Ingram is still alive.

Finally, Bear had the right idea in jumping all over Reese, as I'm sure we'd all like to do that. :)
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I have found the dates in the show to be a bit "flexible." In the pilot, as the car taking Reese to meet Finch for the first time crosses a bridge, there is a date stamp of 4/14/11. Later in "Contingency," we find that Reese and Finch meet for the first time on Day 3546 of The Machine. Day 1 was 1/1/02, so that makes their first meeting on 9/16/11. I believe Reese's birthday is in May, but I'm not sure of the date.

It is interesting that they assigned an explicit date to events in this episode. We usually only know month/year at best. I has to be a set-up for the season finale.
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That's a nice catch on your part, but if you watch carefully in "Pilot," the same time stamp of 4/14/11 can be seen on several cameras even though the events of the episode stretch more than a single day. In all likelihood, Reese and Finch did meet in Queensboro Bridge during September, and the time stamps were simple bloopers.
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I have found the dates in the show to be a bit "flexible." In the pilot, as the car taking Reese to meet Finch for the first time crosses a bridge, there is a date stamp of 4/14/11. Later in "Contingency," we find that Reese and Finch meet for the first time on Day 3546 of The Machine. Day 1 was 1/1/02, so that makes their first meeting on 9/16/11. I believe Reese's birthday is in May, but I'm not sure of the date.
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I had noted that they seemed to have changed when Finch started working on the machine between the seasons also. I though he had started later then the 1/1/2 date originally so they could have tweeked the time line when planning season 2. I never noticed the birthdate on the service record, only on the phone.
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You're right, Finch started on the machine right after 9/11. But I think 1/1/02 might have been when he first brought it online outside of his own system. Everything up until then was just learning to take in and sort info. I loved the game of hide-and-seek in that episode!
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I don't know about the date on his phone, Reese's date of birth on his military file was May 1st. The year was covered by his picture, along with his last name, but you can read a lot if you pause when Carter is holding the file. His middle initial is H.
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Yes, and Reese's real surname ends with an S.
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Reese's birthday is actually in late April (the date was on his phone when he checked his messages standing in his appartment bored) but I'd have to go back and look at the actual date. I believe it was a tuesday and may have been the 21st.
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Reese's military personnel file showed his birthday as May 1st, and the phone could've been a glitch/error. Unless the date on the military file was falsified?
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Then it's a continituty error so I guess we don't know the real date.
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Good point. I hope there's a retcon making Reese's birthday May 1st, since that would create a nice setup for the virus countdown.
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Sorry, I popped in my Season 1 disc, the date was Tuesday, April 24th.
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Fabulous episode.

I loved it all. Great interactions: Fusco covering for Carter with the earring, Carter wanting to help John with the bomb and the end, John stopping Snow from killing, bear and john's reunion and so many more.

My first thoughts after the episode were awesome, awesome, awesome. Then I immediately saw the set up for Root to come back!
I have no idea if Harold give the drive to the Chinese and if he did then I still have no idea if it was for good, bad or neutral reasons....

Kara is dead. Fascinating character but she needed to die. I do think it was strange she joined the titan analogy guy but we didn't see a lot of interaction between them. I'm not convinced it was just for a name. I can understand her anger but not her methods (well I can understand them but not agree with them).

The cyber-terror and potential addition of new characters (the "old gods"/titan guy and his "group") have lots of amazing potential to add to this complex and fantastic show. I can't wait to see more...

A very "now" and relevant (lol) arc that is fascinating.

great review for an amazing episode and I like the bear/john clip:-)
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Tim I found your jaw. Where's my hug.
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There was nothing left of the car. There's no way Kara's still alive - though it's a right shame because she still had so much potential. Just like Corwin. That's one of the few things I dislike about PoI; getting rid of people before we really get to see them in action. It adds to the overall mystery and doesn't serve to answer the outstanding questions. With how much villainy awaits our heroes, I feel the need to call that they'll be overwhelmed before long. There was always that suspicion that Root and Elias would team up (who seem like chump change now), and I think these organizations have a chance of doing the same. Hopefully the show doesn't go the way of many TCGs and get too powerful, too quickly.
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Did it look like Stanton was trying to get to Snow in the backseat? That wouldn't have given her the last few seconds to get out. Someone with a DVR can check that. I was hoping for more Stanton in flashbacks, but with Annie Parisse's new gig that may be difficult. The Bear reunion was superb--was Reese actually laughing?
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Yes, she was reaching into the back seat. Probably to disarm the vest. Although it wasn't shown I'd imagine Snow would've grabbed her in a bear hug onto the vest - making sure this time. In any case there wasn't enough time once the vest started screeching for her to either disarm it or get out of (much less clear of) the car.
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Yes, it did, like maybe she was going to try to reset the bomb but since it had only seconds to go there was no time.
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