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Revenge "Victory" Review: Victoria Grayson's Little Bundle of Secrets

Revenge S02E17: "Victory"

Is Victoria Grayson really opposed to birth control—or was she just worried the pill would make her fat?

Some major bombshells were dropped in last night's explosive episode of Revenge, but the biggest was Mason Treadwell's revelation that Victoria had a baby boy when she was 16—and gave him up to a "Dickensian" facility much like Amanda Clarke's own foster home.

Yes! Ladies and gentlemen, please put your hands together for Emily's cat-who-ate-the-canary smile, making a triumphant return after a heavy-handed season.

We also welcomed back the red Sharpie. Isn't Revenge always better when that magical marker has an IMDB episode credit?  

In fact, our favorite recurring star was even seen in a flashback, in the hands of the young fire-starting foster kid and avid reader of Mason Treadwell's book of lies.

Oh, about that fire: Amanda didn't set it—Eli did.

Emily's foster brother was the real star of "Victory" (besides the Sharpie, of course). The squirrely con artist played everyone, including Victoria Grayson (whose support for the foundation-foster home partnership makes so much sense now) and Meredith Hayward herself. Unfortunately, his plan to expose his evil foster mother backfired: Mrs. Hayward outed him as the arsonist who let his foster sister take the blame for burning down their home.

Oh, the irony. Just like her father, Amanda was locked up for a crime she didn't commit. If only Eli hadn't lit another match when hers went out, Fauxmanda would still be alive! 

Wait, what? Isn't that a bit of a stretch? Amanda's life would almost certainly be better, but come on: The real Emily Thorne was twirling round a stripper pole after blowing through half-a-million bucks. It's hard to believe her future would've been any brighter if she'd never met Amanda Clarke.

Anyway, Fo Bro vowed to do right by Emily. After telling her that Mrs. Hayward withheld letters that David Clarke sent his daughter, he promised to get them back. Let's just say he coerced the evil witch Hansel and Gretel-style, locking her in the coal bin where she used to imprison the kids.

Unfortunately, all he could offer Emily was Mrs. Hayward's signed confession—she'd sold the letters long ago to a certain debonair writer. (Hmmm!)

Emily didn't forgive Eli for his role in ruining her life, but she did thank him for inking her Sharpie, so to speak. It was a touching farewell, and I hope we'll see more of Eli. Besides bringing some much-needed color to the Hamptons, he's a surprisingly sympathetic and multidimensional character. Emily could use another savvy, damaged charmer on her team.

Besides, how can Charlotte live without her Romeo? (Seriously, was her Eli infatuation just an excuse to give Amanda's half-sister more lines? Because I'd rather see the Sharpie get more screen time. Or even Sleepy Jack and Declan, who have enlisted Kenny to help take down Conrad.)

Back to that canary Emily swallowed: After greeting his prison visitor with "What, no cake?" (How we've missed you, Mr. Treadwell!), Mason confirmed that he did buy the letters, but they were destroyed in the one house fire Emily really did start. With a little persuasion from Emily, he disclosed what David Clarke wrote about Victoria's fertile past—an attempt to save his daughter from the same fate as her own firstborn son. 

The Initiative storyline—Padma's handoff of the Carrion program to save her father—is best summarized by Nolan's scathing review of Aiden's job performance:

"Now we've given our enemy the most unimaginably dangerous program known to man and put two innocent people's lives in unimaginable danger. You really should consider another line of work."

He had a point, no?

After they failed to stop Trask, who abducted Padma, Nolan and Aiden followed the Carrion flash drive's secret tracking device to an abandoned warehouse—which was empty, save for a square box on a table.


There, they received an ominous text: "Sorry about your friend, Nolan. It's a terrible thing to lose one's… head." Oh, to have heard Nolan scream "What's in the box?!" like Brad Pitt in Se7en

If Padma's head (or Gwyneth Paltrow's, for that matter) had been inside, I would never criticize Revenge again. Womp womp. Instead, it simply contained the tracking device, proving that—thanks to Nolan's nemesis, the Falcon—the Initiative was one step ahead of them the whole time.

It's too bad. Now I can't imagine anything besides Padma's decapitation that would make me remotely interested in the Initiative again.

Another silly subplot was Victoria's effort to once again sabotage her (younger) son's relationship with Emily Thorne. Daniel used his secretary, Grace (the Revenge counterpart of Celebrity Apprentice's boardroom receptionist Amanda), to book a clandestine lunch with his ex-fiancée (a confidence-boosting exercise so important that Ems could not assist Nolan and Aiden in one of their most important missions to date?).

Grace might've been fooled by his "Mr. Taylor" alias, but not Mommy Dearest. Victoria obtained photos of the former couple together and anonymously delivered them (via Grace/Amanda) to Daniel in his office, along with two bullets. Scary!

If Season 2 is building up to a dramatic showdown between Emily and Victoria, shouldn't Mama Grayson have more, um, ammunition than this?


QUESTIONS:

1. Do you think we've met Victoria's firstborn—and his father—before?

2. Could—gulp—Jack be Victoria's son?  

3. Is Jack the Falcon? (Kidding! What about Aiden?)

4. Would you have been sad to see Padma's head in the box?

5. What storylines/characters do you wish Revenge would cross out with a Sharpie?

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I was actually thinking it could be Jack...OMG!
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I wonder what it says about me that I was thoroughly disappointed that Padma's head wasn't in the box?
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In tv land we can wish these things without seeming horrible
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Well here's hoping that's as far as my sadism goes.
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i like padma cuz she makes nolan happy and if he's happy i am too
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This is the first time that I don't care what will happen next. This is the shell of a show I used to love. I miss the drama and suspense. They should just call this show "macguffin" because at this point that's all this show is.
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Hey! I actually happen to like Padma! She also brings "much needed color" to the Hamptons. Which is why she is probs dead by now. Oh and Eli's gone as well. All the color gone in one episode?! WHAT IS THE MESSAGE HERE?!
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Falcon is obviously The Plague from Hackers. His cartoonish skateboarding ass is the only person I can imagine fitting into this ridiculous storyline at this point. I'm also sad to see the Turtle Tracker dispatched so quickly :(

My guess is we've never met Victoria's son. The show needs some new blood, not even more incestuous plotlines. He can't be Jack or Nolan, and probs not Aiden. Maybe one of the Ryans, but why? Their usefulness to the plot has run it's course. It's gotta be someone new!

I'm glad Padma's head wasn't in the box if only because then we'd have to deal with heartbroken Nolan for the rest of the season. I love Nolan when he's being a sarcastic little B; it would suck if he got all mopey like Jack.

And finally, it was great to see another takedown! About time, too. I really liked Eli- even I had no idea who he was playing and who's side he was really on. That's a great character.
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Ha! I hated Eli from the moment he recognized Amanda. I was like b!tch please, idk how you did that but you ain't welcome here. They probably could have utilized his character in a much better manner if they had waited to introduce him instead of shoving him in our faces while fauxmanda was practically still warm in the grave! Although Victoria's prompt dismissal of him after the Hayward fiasco was worth it;)
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That's funny, cuz *I* get mad when people DON'T recognize Emily! And same for any other show featuring a thinly disguised main character *cough* lookin' at you, Arrow.

I think Eli earned my approval when he immediately called her out. They were siblings for years!! Of course he'd recognize her. Jack and Emily's mom are clearly just mentally deficient.
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It's not jack he never lived in a foster home!
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Victoria son has to be older than Daniel by like 10 years or something. And that's not aiden or Nolan.
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I think that Victoria's son and Falcon are people we haven't met yet but if i am wrong I hope Nolan is her son
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If the falcon is takeda... OMG aiden could be a traitor!! Think about it.. He's like takeda's right hand man who was originally SENT by him to watch her. Also, Aiden screwed up Padma/her dad's rescue! COINCIDENCE?! I think not!
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Am I the only one who thinks the Falcon--which is a stupid, pretentious name, by the way--is Takeda? Think about it--Emily and Aidan have both been in contact with him, so he knows most of their plans, and he knows about Nolan helping them. We already know he has resources and skills, and wasn't he initially the source of their information on the Initiative? And isn't this show all about allies who end up being enemies?

It makes perfect sense. I'm calling it now.

...actually, I called it when the Initiative was first introduced, but I still think I'm right.
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Me too. I think Falcon might have been in the black car in the back so it couldn't have been Padma. She does seem like she has another agenda though. I don't buy her story. Maybe she's just a bad stonefaced actress, I don't know.

Victoria's son can't be Jack or Nolan. It must be someone new we will be introduced to or maybe Aiden, but I think if he had been in a foster home like Emily we would have known that already. Also, he had a sister.
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Eli is NOT the falcon. He lived with Realmanda in the foster home when Nolan discovered the falcon and David Clark was in jail. He would've been a genius by then and wouldn't be stuck with the abusive lady. Jack can't be the falcon because when David went to jail the falcon was already working with the Graysons and he was the one who helped them frame him. Aiden could be, maybe he had playing Emily this entire time?

Jack is NOT Victoria's son. That boy 'suffered' a lot in foster homes, Jack had been living with his father and had a 'happy' life when Emily met him. Plus if Vic had him when she was 16 the boy has to be at least 5-6 years older than Daniel, hence older than Emily and Jack. Aiden could be, although his sister make it a bit difficult to be, maybe it was his adoptive sister.
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Jack IS 5 years older than Daniel though. Daniel is at least 3 years younger than Emily (which explains him still being in graduate school) and Emily is probably 1-3 years younger than Jack.
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Her son was born 1973, he would be 39-40 by now. Is Jack 40?
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I would've LOVED to see Padma's head in the box, I like her, but that would've been a great twist. Or even her father's head would've been nice. But I think either she has been with the initiative the entire time, she is the falcon or FOR REAL she has absolutely nothing to do with all that stuff and maybe we'll see her in the series finale in that beach waiting for Nolan and live happily ever after.
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Jack or Aidan the Falcon? Doubt it. It'd be more believable if it was Eli to me. Getting rid of Padma wouldn't be an issues for me, and if you toss Jack into that I'd be happy.
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Eli is to young to be the falcon, I do not think we have meet the falcon
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Jack is definitely Victoria's son.

There are just too many potential character dynamics this would unlock (rivalry between him and Daniel, jealousy from Declan, Victoria having lived next door to her son her entire life) for him not to be her son. Also Nick Wechsler could easily pass as related to Madeline Stow- at least moreso than Daniel could. I think this has been long in the making.

As for Jack being too young- Victoria could be mid-to-late forties (let's say 46). 46-30 (Jack's age/Amanda's age +2) = 16. Madeline Stow is only 54 in real life so it's a stretch the show could definitely make.
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Jack never lived in a foster home so there is NO WAY he victoria's son
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1. Do you think we've met Victoria's firstborn—and his father—before? Perhaps, but I don't know who it would be. As much as I love "reveals," I think it would be better if it was someone completely new. I was thinking that James Purefoy could be the father since he and Victoria were an item back in the day.

2. Could—gulp—Jack be Victoria's son? Not a chance. His father had far too much sense to get in bed with Victoria (zing), literally or metaphorically.

3. Is Jack the Falcon? (Kidding! What about Aiden?) No and No. I think it's someone at the Initiative.

4. Would you have been sad to see Padma's head in the box? Yes, but it would have totally shocked the hell out of me, but in a good way. It would have been a very shocking move to Revenge which specializes more in the clandestine society/monetary deaths as opposed to the actual killing of people. The fact that Padma's head was not in the box and the "secret tracker" from the USB drive was makes me think Padma is involved in stealing Carion. This was brought up a little while ago but then explained away by the fact that Padma's father was kidnapped. I still think she's involved.

5. What storylines/characters do you wish Revenge would cross out with a Sharpie? I don't know. Even though some of them are better than others, if they are rotated around and the better ones are given slightly more attention there's enough room to go around.

Side Notes:
"Now we've given our enemy the most unimaginably dangerous program known to man and put two innocent people's lives in unimaginable danger. You really should consider another line of work."= Hey! Nolan was the one who stopped Aiden from pulling the trigger and killing Trask, so as far as I'm concerned he has no one but himself to blame.

I did like the Eli-Real Amanda-Fire-Letters storyline. It had nice tie-ins to the Victoria-Fake Foundation storyline and the Emily-Mason Treadwell-Revenge storyline. The idea of the letters existing and Treadwell being the only person knowing what they said provides an almost infinite amount of storyline ideas.
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Victory Thy name is Victoria... She was the only one who really got through with her plans in this episode. As always I bow before her scheming prowess. Maybe, Emily should consider teaming up with her.
As for Nolan an Aiden, how could he blame the latter for the failure to nail the Initiative. It was all Nolan's fault. First, you don't give a proper Version of the killer program to terrorists (even if this means that one man dies - ever heard of colletarel damage?) and second, you don't put a tracking device into the head of turtle (Nolan, next time take its arse!). Why not use the obvious turtle as a decoy. And come on! No back-up plan? Really? Nolan was a big disappointment. Not even Emily being there would have made a difference.
So, I'm still hoping that Padma is working for the Initiative and has planned her disappearance all along. I'd really like to know what Mr. New Guy recorded on film.
It's really great, that Faux Bro redeemed himself in this episode. I was starting to worry that he'd become a nuisance like Tyler did before. But the guy spun it all around. Emily should consider him as a player in her team.

And now to the really big question, who is Victoria's son? It can't be any of the younger guys, because Victoria must have been born 1956. So, that makes 1972 the birth year of her unknown offspring (now 41 years old). The father surely is one of her mother's suitors, maybe Thomas, the guy Victoria shot and went to the loony bin for it. Her mother married Maxwell in 1972, so he must be out of the picture.
Daniel was born 1987, that makes him 26, while Amanda is 29 (born 1984). Nolan never mentioned staying in a foster home before, so I would rule him out, too. I haven't got his exact age, but he graduated MIT in 1998 (but him being a genius he could have done that at the age of 20 or less?).
Aiden mentioned growing up with his sister and a dad who worked on the airport, so he can't be the son, either (and he's much too young and English, anyway).

Uh… Could it be, that the mysterious Falcon is Victoria's son? He'd perfectly fit the timeline as he would be old enough to be a computer genius back in the 90ies! 1993 he would have been 21, that makes him perfect for this role. And he would have the perfect reason to frame the Graysons via the Initiative. He's targeting Daniel much like Emily did when she embarked on the Revenge cruise.
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I would love it if Padma were the Falcon. They were one step ahead so they had to somehow know what Nolan and Aiden would be up to.
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THAT IS A GREAT THEORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope you are right!!
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You are very violent :D No heads!
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Victoria's first born is the falcon
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1. I don't think so, or he (the son) isn't one of the main characters. Also if I don't think we'll be seeing the father except maybe in a flashback. Maybe the father is the guy Victoria wanted Ashley to sleep with.
2. No, Jack had a loving dad, and his mother left them when Declan was young so no foster care.
3. Jack isn’t the falcon otherwise he wouldn’t need Nolan to hack into anything. I think it’s Victoria’s son. If the initiative told him that she’s the one who gave him up he would turn to their side.
4. I can’t stand the girl. She has no emotions, it all looks fake. So I wouldn’t have been sad if her head was in the box. I still think she’s with the initiative or at least more involved. Also she got into that car awfully fast, no struggle. (Not that they showed us how but one sec we see the trunk open the next it’s closing and Padma’s gone)
5. Grayson’s political career, who would take him seriously all those scandals and cover-ups that family had to go through. I’m starting to like the more active Jack story line but it’s not moving fast enough.
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1. I'm going to have to say yes and no to that question, since I think that Victoria's firstborn is actual Falcon. And while we've seen a gloved hand give a thumbs-up, I don't think we've actually seen Falcon in person. As for the father, she was 16 at the time so it could be anyone, though it's probably someone we haven't met before.

2. I thought about that, but I think a move like that would be way to sloppy and unbelievable. While the revelation that Charlotte is Amanda's half-sister worked because we knew about the relationship between Victoria and David, there isn't a similar way of connecting the dots between Jack and Victoria. Her interactions with him have been few and far between, and at no time has she shown any ounce of anything toward him, other than her usual disdain. If it does turn out that Jack is Victoria's son, then it will be painfully obvious that the writers had no clue they were going to do this, either in the first season or for the majority of this one. And if they did, then they really dropped the ball on establishing the believably of that relationship.

3. As I said in the first question, I think the Falcon is Victoria's son, and I don't believe he's someone that we've met yet. Besides, we know that the Falcon most certainly can't be Aiden, since it was clearly spelled out for us that it was the Falcon in the back seat of that car. And while Aiden is capable of many things, literally being in two places at the same time is not one of them.

4. Yes, I would have, since I think there's a lot more that we could get out of that character. However, I think they should have actually put a human head in that box, even if it belonged to someone we had never met before. That way it would have at least have been a shocking moment, the show would have shown that it means business, and the revenge team would have a fairly intriguing mystery on their hands.

5. Oh, so many. But mainly it would be nice to see her cross out one of the Graysons. While I was annoyed that Amanda threw that computer into the water (since it was a really stupid move on her part for so many reasons), I thought that at least she would be getting back on track to actually getting revenge on people. But the only person she's gotten revenge on lately is her old foster mother, and we just met her a few episodes ago. I think that if this show wants to hold onto the respect that it has garnered, then one of the Graysons, specifically Conrad or Victoria, needs to either die or go to jail. I figured that one of the benefits of introducing the Initiative in the first place was so that Amanda could somewhat deal with the Graysons and still have bigger, more powerful fish to fry. So yeah, I'd like to see her actually get some real revenge on the Graysons, at least by the end of this season.
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I don't think Padma is dead. The initiative now has something to force Nolan with.
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1) I do not think we have meet the son, but the father might be her step father
2) No, Jack is to young
3) I do not think that Aiden is the falcon b/c he would not help the initiative after they killed his sister
4)No, it would have been awesome. and would have help make the show more badass.
5) I love the sharpe, I wish they would have more episodes that feature it.

I was so glad that Eli turned out to be good. I thought he was going to turn out to be part of the initiative, or that he told their foster mother who Emily really was. I hope he comes back as a main character.
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Jack isn't necessarily too young- Victoria could be mid-to-late forties (let's say 46). 46-30 (Jack's age/Amanda's age +2) = 16. Madeline Stow is only 54 in real life so it's a stretch the show could definitely make.
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He was never in a foster home
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I don't think Victory's son is somebody we have met before but I was thinking that he might be somebody Amanda has met before when she was in foster care and that's how she will find him.
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I think added shock value to the show is if they put a head on it... I mean it's a slow pacing for Revenge since Fauxmanda died.
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In order for Aiden to be the Falcon, he would have to be older, given the fact that the Graysons used the Falcon's services back when they needed to seal David Clarke's fate....which was way back when Ems was like 10...or lesss....so no, sorry, it sounds like an interesting thought but logic fails you. And it could not be Jack either, given the same reasons - THEY WERE KIDS BACK THEN!
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While I agree that Aiden is unlikely to be the Falcon, I don't know if it's just cos Aiden would have been a kid then (how old is Aiden anyway?), or that relative ages are a factor on this show. Nolan is portrayed to be around Emily's age (and I guess, around the same age as everyone in that generation - Daniel/Jack/Aiden/Amanda), like an equal peer, but logically Nolan would be much older if David Clarke was investing in his company before he got arrested. I don't remember if Nolan mentioned his age when he first started his company, but even if he were 16-18 then, that would make him about 8-10 years older than Emily, and it doesn't seem like he is. So if I was running with that theory, perhaps the Falcon was a whizkid too. I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled some age defying thing so as to give the Falcon identity some twist.
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Well to me that would be a super cheesy twist - like I just find it so hard to believe that the Graysons would take time to find a kid named Aiden, who lives in the UK, whose dad works at the airport as a luggage guy (on what salary would he buy his kid computers to do programing on?) AND then also believe that this kid has enough knowledge to seal the fate of guy they want imprisoned for terrorism. It would have to be a very unlikely scenario...I don't know just like logically I see way tooo many plot holes....I would rather suspect Nolan's ex being the Falcon.
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Also remember they said the Falcon's greatest weakness is his ego....so I guess that is the most important thing to take into consideration here, so I am still betting on Marco.
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I agree, but he could have been a genius hacker when he was a kid so...
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So then my next question is how did the Graysons manage to employ him ir rather find out about this kid who is apparently a super genious...and trust him with this operation? Also why do we think the Falcon is a HE?
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Soon as they said Victoria had a son; my first and only thought was it's Jack; which would be the best case of all scenarios A) He hates the Graysons B) They killed his wife C) Jack never talks about his mother D) He would probably get rich enough to compete with Daniel for Emily/Amanda E) it would just be a good twist that would shake everything up
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Jack never was in a foster home, so it couldn't be him.
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Based on this past episode I know now that Jack is not the son and that's a disappointment but this is Revenge we're talking about; I have the season one dvd where they said that the season would begin with Amanda/Emily getting married and we don't know which man till the middle of the season; then they changed it to a man that was a main cast member (I thought would be Declan) would die on the boat and then they killed Amanda instead. As a writer I know that the story and cast politics can change things in an instant; if they wanted Jack to be the son then they would have just written it in a way that would have made it happen.
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He could have been adopted from the foster home when he was very young and his parents never told him. We really don't know anything about Jack's life before meeting Amanda.
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We saw him when he was very young hanging out with Emily when they were kids with every indication that that they had been friends for quite sometime
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They only knew each other for one summer (the summer David was arrested) when Emily was 9 because they met while Emily had Sammy who was only a puppy.

And I agree that Jack and Declan can pass for brothers, but the resemblance between Jack and Victoria is far stronger than that of Jack and Declan.
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I think they'd only been friends for a short while- remember Amanda and her father had just moved to the Hamptons to work for the Graysons.

But either way, I agree Jack can't be Victoria's son. Why would a broke bartender adopt a baby? Especially when it's clear they could have their own (Declan), plus Declan and Jack look a ton alike. If Jack ends up being the son, the writers will have some 'splainin to do.
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Please forgive me if I missed it earlier, but there is one thing I can't figure out. How come the young Amanda did not meet young Daniel if they're around the same age, when they were kids? She was friends with Jack, but not the son of the neighbor next door?
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I am sure they did not want their kids playing with the less rich.
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He was probably at boarding school, isnt that where rich folk send their offspring to get them outta the way?
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Perhaps, but only if he is a little older than Amanda. She was too young to go to school!
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Daniel is at least 3 years younger than Emily. A 9 year old would probably be bored socializing with a 6> year old, at least that's my explanation.
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Yeah, that sounds right!
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In Europe we start school at 4. Is 8 too young for school in the US? Would explain alot....
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Not really, but it still sounds young for boarding school to me. Well, the rich folk...
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Back to basics plizz! No more new characters! More ConVict!
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I still believe that Padma is the Queen of Evil.. I stated my theory 2 weeks ago and I'll say it again.. I mean come on! We don't see her interact with her father, we don't see her struggling that much after the initiative "kidnapped" her, and most important, she's got Carrion now so.........
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Glad to see someone else thinks so. My theory is that she's the Falcon but even if that isn't the case I agree that she's somehow involved.
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We really need to give our Revengers a win soon. Even just a little win. So they don't keep wading in piled up failure and we can all have faith in them again. Sure, there's Emily with her red sharpie, but she didn't take down Hayward herself, failed to be there for Nolan, and seems to be thwarted left and right the last few eps.
Despite not being a very progressive ep, it did actually address the things I wanted/was screaming about last ep (I really should make detail specific wishes instead of random general ones) - more Victoria, more Nolan - although Nolan was extremely helpless, and mailing bullets to her son must be one of Victoria's most minor pointless schemes (there wasn't even a party involved)! Emily has a bit more focus now that she has something over Victoria again, and I'll admit that while I still didn't care for Eli's plot, I'm glad they took him in a different direction than a copy of Tyler or Amanda (B+ for effort?), eventhough they were throwing red herrings in various directions.
Aaaaand of course Kenny's back and that plot isn't dead. It's like they put him back in just to spite us. Sigh.
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And they've furthered the plot that Jack is venturing on his own little quest of revenge... only with an IQ of 90, no prep, and who's only resource is the brother of the man that tried to kill him.

I say, what... 3 episodes until this whole thing blows up in Emily's and Nolan's face?
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I don't think anything will be revealed until Tredwell's book comes out. Then jack will storm over all angry faced to Emily's house and he sad, angry, then happy when he realizes that it is all true.
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Well, I too, had miss Mr Sharpie and Mason Treadwell and I think those two made the episode so much more interesting than The Iniciative plot was. I would like to see Sharpie put to more use, but then again, how long has it been since the Revengers actually do something revenge-y that WORKS?! Remember those days when Emily would cross out one face a day from the Grayson Global Company picture? Good Ol' Days...
Anyway, by now they should now not to leave the RevengeCave without at least 3 back up plans... Although I woudn't have mind if it was Padma's head on that box. Actually The Iniciative would've earned my respect.

Now, I LOVE Emily's cat-who-ate-the-canary smile and I really hope she ENJOYS ruining Victoria's life with this new information, she deserves the fun so,
1) I do believe it's someone we've met, but probably someone the show hasn't focus its attention on at all... As for the father, if I stand correctly, during that thanksgiving episode in which Victoria's mother returns and we see 16 year old her on flashbacks, I think she hints that she was being raped by her mom's current boyfriend, so I'm gonna go with whoever that was as a father of the firstborn and unwanted accident. Probably why she gave it up? And I know that Ems said Victoria had a 'son' but she has NO way of knowing whether it was a son or a daughter... Mason neither confirmed nor denied... I'm not convinced on the sex of the child just yet...

2) Naah, I highly doubt it. I doubt it's anyone with a big role... Plus, I've been reading your calculations, and I think Daniel, Emily and Jack are all about the same age, so said kid should be older. I don't know if it's been said or I don't remember when Victoria had Daniel, but she had to be at least 21, shall we say? That's 5 years older than the firstborn- at least. Someone Nolan's age would make more sense since we know he's older, but I highly doubt it's him. Just... no.

3) Lol for thinking Jack can be anything but boring. Errrmmm, I know there's that theory, that Aiden is the Falcon, but actually I think Padma is more likely to be. Or when I think about it, neither. It has to be somebody old enough to have been a hell of a hacker when David Clarke was imprisoned, and we know that Ems and Jack where kids, Nolan was -how old?- of age but it's not him... Aiden just wouldn't benefit from any of it, i don't see a connection...

4) Not at all.

5) Ugh, so many... Daniel Grayson is my number one. But actually the whole Grayson family , except maybe Charlotte... She's not pure evil...
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"The real Emily Thorne was twirling round a stripper pole after blowing through half-a-million bucks. It's hard to believe her future would've been any brighter if she'd never met Amanda Clarke." -- Wow, that's just cold. :L

The episode felt like another filler for me (aside the big reveal at the end). I wonder how the writers will get themselves out of the mess they have created. Falcon non sense I do not care about, this initiative storyline is NEVER GOING AWAY or so it seems...

Please go back to basics! More Nolan and Emmily scenes, and can't they get rid of Aiden yet? COME ON@!!@ I hate Aiden! <<< :( :( :(

AT least this Eli crap storyline is gone for now...

Expecting more next week. << :(
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I might be cold but it is true, she had a better life for meeting Emily. Emily gave fauxmanda a family, the one thing she never had
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How can you hate Aiden? He's just perfect for Em!
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How can you not? lol

Also Daniel and Emily are obviously endgame, they broke them up at the end of Season 1 and ruined the whole show...

With Aiden gone, Emily and Daniel can get back together...it be nice if she told him the truth about her as well or if he finds out the truth in some way ^ < in order to get back the show on track. Otherwise, the show is pretty much done. It should be renamed to something else like "The Initiative Storyline That is Never Going to End" instead of "Revenge" lol
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I don't get why people like Daniel so much... I consider Josh Bowman as a poor actor but the character itself is quite despicable. He has no personality, is easily manipulated by everyone, slept with Ashleigh, and has no purpose at all...
I guess Emily and Jack are supposed to be endgame even if it makes no sense at all now that we've got to know them both!
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JACK is our heroine's endgame partner,fullstop.Sailing off to Haiti.

But let's not forget Conrad's children by his first wife (ABC's official bio calls Charlotte "youngest daughter of the Grayson clan") and how they might mix with Victoria's mystery son...
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I wouldn't have been sad to see Padma, or Declan/Charlotte's head in there. Boring, really, and the Revengers are totally FAILING. I kept on saying more revenge please instead of opening up more people that have to be avenged. Not cool.
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Well Padma had some vindication this week... I was getting afraid that the whole father-kidnapping thing was a sham and that she really was on the Initiative's side.

But it seems her father really was kidnapped and that she really did not know what was going on or why she was taken.

So I would have felt bad if she re-enacted that scene from SE7EN
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You see, that's why when you hide something you should always hide a 2nd or 3rd version... one for them to find and the real one. Hide a large GPS circuit in the head, and another smaller one in the thumb drive itself.

I mean, that turtle was huge. You can get a 16GB USB that is almost invisbly plugged into a USB drive. So lots of room for GPS (the feet, the shell-back, etc).
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If Victoria had him at 16 (like the reviewer says) then I don't think it could be Jack or Nolan. Both of them are too close to Emily's age. I imagine that said "son" would have to be older than Emily, like maybe 4-10 years older and I don't get that vibe from Jack or Nolan... plus we would have heard if they stayed at a foster home by now.

I mean, if Victoria is supposed to be in the BALLPARK of her actress's age then having a kid at 16 would mean the kid was born around 1974. Even shaving off a few years for creative license, let's say 1980. And I believe they've indicated that Emily was born around 1984 timeline-wise.
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Question... I know Nolan looks hella young, but he HAS to be way older than Emily! He was old enough to have her dad invest in him before he went to jail, so let's say he was a teenage tech genius. He'd still have been 17 or so when Amanda was 8 or 9, so he's nearly 10 years older than her!

I don't think he's Victoria's son though, his dad has been mentioned a bunch so no Dickensian orphanage for him. Unless... Victoria gave him up for adoption without telling the father and he found out and got Nolan back! I don't think a mom was ever mentioned, was she?? Makes more sense than Jack!
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Okay...so, I rewatched the first season of Teen Wolf this season because I was bored and trying to have a low key weekend and here were my running thoughts throughout the Stowaway storyline 1) of course they can't find Kenny, he is angsting away in Beacon Hills and 2) I wonder if J.R. Bourne had any kind of thought like this...so, I have spent the past two years watching the curious sport of lacrosse and now I am staring at a rugby field? I am just on separate coasts of America here, not in another country. (I understand lacrosse and even the point of it on TW, it just was a point of curiousity on that show).

1. Well, I have no idea, basically because didn't we already meet 16 year old Victoria when her mother set her up to kill her lover? Heck, I have always questioned Daniel's paternity and kind of have always thought the painter was his actual father. I hate to say this, but if it is character we have met already...isn't it likely that Jack is her son?

2. He would seem to be the only age appropriate character since I think Nolan is too old and Aiden too young.

3. I know there is this whole Aiden theory, but I am more suspicious of Padma's father. Again, Aiden and Emily are about the same age, he would have been like eight when the David Clarke thing happened.

4. I was wondering if it could be, especially when I understand the Initiative storyline was going to be wrapped up sooner rather than later, I would be fine with killing off characters (I still like Aiden though)

5. I think the whole set up of Aiden needs to be hammered out sooner rather than later (because we know he and Emily's attitude toward it is kind of, oh well) but that is the whole Initiative storyline in general I guess...
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2 - Nah, Jack's not that age appropriate. Unless they are really down-playing Victoria's age... having a kid at 16 would put her son older than Emily.

At their age's NOW, it wouldn't be that noticeable. 19 vs 23 (or even 19 vs 29) isn't THAT noticeable.

But we've seen young-Jack running around and playing with young-Amanda. 4-10 years difference is a big difference when you're that young. I mean, can you imagine a 13yo kid having a fake marriage with a 9yo? That's a 4th-grader with a kid almost in High School. That's creepy
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I agree, but it is kind of what it looked like in their 'fake marriage' two eight year olds aren't that different in height. I would have put that Jack at about 11.
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Could Nolan be Victoria's son?
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I hope not, it wouldn't add anything to the show. Nolan works best as a aid to Emily (and possibly her sibling), his interaction with the Graysons is pretty meh.
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I don't think so, I think he would have mentioned to Emily if he had been in foster care as well, as like a bonding momment
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