Revolution "Clue" Review: Another Interruption on the Way to Save the World

Revolution S01E18: "Clue" 

Last night's episode of Revolution, the cryptically titled "Clue" (did I miss something?), bounced around with all the pacing of a Nora mood swing. Things started off fast—like, Nora-showing-up-to-your-room-half-naked-wearing-only-a-men's-shirt fast—with Monroe torturing the truth out of Nora and the gang during their quest to save the world. Then the episode ground to a halt like Nora's attitude after a night of steamy sex, and the bulk of "Clue" took place in a post-apocalyptic rest stop. Seriously, "Clue" was basically a "who's the mole?" story while the group stopped for gas. 

That wouldn't've been a problem if the story was interesting, but as far as I could tell, besides a few VERY interesting details (more on that later), the purpose of "Clue" was to kill off extraneous characters and stall for another week. Here's the premise, quickly: Nora got tortured by Monroe and told him about the Tower, so Monroe hurried off to Colorado to stop Rachel and Aaron before they could get in, and Miles and his crew set off to do the same to stop Monroe. It was life or death for Miles. If they didn't make it to the Tower in time, the whole world was going to explode. That's a good set-up for an episode! A race to the Tower! Good guys chasing bad guys chasing good guys!

And the reason it felt so disappointing was that the characters, especially Miles, put so much pressure on themselves to get to Colorado. There was an understandable feeling of desperation to reach their destination. But while Monroe's massive mobile army and Rachel and Aaron made it to the Tower without a hitch, Miles and his crew would never make it there in "Clue" because some maniac was killing them when they stopped to fill up on diesel. Maybe it was just me, but Miles saying, "We don't have time for this" and "We have to get to Rachel before Monroe does" indicated some sense of urgency, and I was genuinely excited to see the situation play out. Like, in this episode. The "ticking clock" storytelling device—putting a time-limit on the action—is tried-and-true, but it only works if the clock can't be casually set back. It was like lighting a short fuse only to later reveal that the fuse was  actually five miles long.

Instead, a mysterious killer was picking off the superfluous members of Miles' rag-tag team (like the redshirt helicopter pilot and that rebel leader) at an abandoned airfield far from the Tower, all while a bunch ham-fisted—no, that's not hammy enough—arms-full-of-hams misdirections steered our suspicions toward various characters. Scientist John Sanborn was the obvious suspect, having just come from Monroe's camp with a drugged-up Nora. Jason became a suspect when someone planted a bloody knife on him. And just for good measure, Nora was literally tripping on a 'shrooms cocktail (it was made with psilocybin, the active ingredient in hallucinogenic mushrooms) and became a suspect herself. Unfortunately for our entertainment, she didn't suffer visions of man-eating water reptiles like the ones she experienced back in the Hallucination Tunnel. Paranoia took over the group, and it could have been anybody who was the murderer. But let's just skip to the end and divulge that it was Jim Hudson (Malik Yoba), who showed up with a sloppy eleventh-hour reveal that Monroe was holding his wife hostage and was threatening to kill her if he didn't kill everyone on the helicopter ride. Needless to say, Hudson didn't make it and the good guys won. Like the senseless killing of Mark Pellegrino's Jeremy Baker last week, losing Hudson seemed more like a lost opportunity for Revolution rather than a smart creative decision.   

While all this went down, Monroe's men were at the Tower long enough to set up an elaborate campsite and Aaron and Rachel peered down on them from a ridge, wondering what their next move would be. Again, the build to "getting there first" was hollowed out by Monroe's men making one half-assed attempt to enter the Tower (Randall's handprint entry key didn't work) and twiddling their thumbs the rest of the time.

Thank the lord for Rachel. It was Rachel—crazy-ass psychopath Rachel—who provided most of the hour's entertainment. Her plan was to saunter down to Monroe's tent, kill him, and then have Aaron enter the Tower using overriding access codes while chaos broke out among Monroe's men. Solid plan! And in one last-minute thrill, Rachel actually executed her plan, strolling into Monroe's tent with a grenade in hand and pulling the pin for one heck of a cliffhanger (if you still care at all and are foolish enough to think Monroe will actually die). 

But forget all that stuff above. Seriously, forget it. Especially the part about Nora on mushrooms. The real interesting chunk of "Clue" came from Randall Flynn, who told Monroe some details about the Tower. Apparently there are things in the Tower that would give Monroe REAL power, things like whatever man-beast was in the elevator that shredded that guy a few episodes ago. Flynn's comments ("things that make choppers look like Model-Ts" and "things that the president never knew about") indicated that there's some impressive technology in there, too. Which, when you think about it, kicks Revolution out of its orbit and into a completely new show. 

Initially pitched as a series about a world without power and technology, Revolution has become more about power and technology with every passing week. It's creating an identity crisis for the show, and as a result, the series isn't delivering on its early promises. There's nothing wrong with a show evolving naturally, but Revolution has artificially mutated from swords and muskets to automatic weapons and nuclear bombs, from hiking to helicopter rides, and from barren wastelands to underground high-tech silos full of mysterious monsters and weapons of mass destruction. The scale of the show is expanding on an unsustainable trajectory. But the worst part is that the show just skipped over the missing links; there's no explanation as to why everyone is using automatic weapons, or how Monroe built enough power amplifiers and has enough power pendants to relocate a small army, or where his attack drones came from. Everything just appeared. And in a serialized mystery sci-fi drama, especially in the post-Lost world, these explanations are important to an audience that's more engaged and smarter than ever. I get that technology is just a replacement for magic in Revolution, but it's going to be treated just as cryptically as magic, then Revolution should just use magic. 

Revolution has gone completely insane, but thankfully there's still an opportunity to squeeze some mindless entertainment out of it. The characters and their relationships to each other are past the point of being salvageable. The weekly side quests are boring and inconsequential. Even the universe Revolution created, once so full of promise and mysterious, is entirely disappointing. But there's value in seeing just how crazy this show can get, and it starts with figuring out what that thing was that ate the guy in the elevator. I don't know about you, but I'm praying for some wacky shit.



NOTES

– Who were those people in the Tower!?!? Another Tower mystery!

– Gutsy call by that helicopter pilot to attempt an Atlanta-to-Colorado helicopter ride without carrying extra gas! Sure there was an airfield on the way, but since 15 years had passed, it was a bit of a stretch to expect to find gas in the grounded vehicles. Gas can still be used for things other than operating vehicles! I don't know, like, lighting fires? After a decade-and-a-half, the country should be completely foraged. Heck, that airfield should have been turned into a big camp. But nope, it was perfectly preserved. This show is dumb.

– There were a few Raiders of the Lost Ark homages in this episode. Monroe giving Nora a white dress to wear instead of her ratty old adventurer's clothes was exactly like Belloq giving Marion a very similar dress (Marion wore it better). And Aaron and Rachel peering down on Monroe's camp was just like Indy and Sallah doing the same to Belloq's camp near the site of the Ark. Raiders of the Lost Ark is my favorite movie of all time, so while I should be upset that a vastly inferior piece of entertainment like Revolution is playing off it, I'm not. The homages are coming from the right place. 

– What happened in the rest of the world during Nora's 21 days of torture? Did Miles stop attacking the rebels? That drone strike went pretty well, why didn't he just send them out again? Georgia was ready to surrender, for crying out loud! 

– I loved Nora's guard when Sanborn said he had to kill her. "Too bad, she's a fine piece of tail." This show... 

Lost's hatch >>>>>>>>> Revolution's tower, even though the latter wants to be exactly like the former. 

– Another jumping-into-a camera shot to kill a Monroe Militia man, this time from Rachel. The number-one death cause of death among the Militia is death by someone magically appearing behind them. When I see these scenes, all I can picture is the actual filmng of them, with Elizabeth Mitchell hanging out off-camera just behind the guy and then jumping into the shot.



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Oct 13, 2013
>Like the senseless killing of Mark Pellegrino's Jeremy Baker last week, losing Hudson
>seemed more like a lost opportunity for Revolution rather than a smart creative decision.

That's what Kripke does... create interesting characters and then kill them off for no reason. Heck, Supernatural only has two main characters and they've both been killed off several times! :-)


>But the worst part is that the show just skipped over the missing links;
It didn't.

>there's no explanation as to why everyone is using automatic weapons

Why not? They're at war... serious war. Time to break out the big weapons from storage. Besides, it's set in America, which probably has enough weapons and ammo floating around to keep Monroe afloat for fifty more years. ;-)

> or how Monroe built enough power amplifiers and has enough power pendants to relocate a
>small army,

He only has a few of them, and Randal Flynn built the amplifiers.

>or where his attack drones came from.

Storage. Remember back in the early part of the series when prisoners were being forced to pull a helicopter along? Monroe (and Miles) have been preparing many years for the day they'd get power again.

Monroe controls the Northeast and there are Predator and Reaper drones housed at bases in Ft. Drum and Syracuse NY.

>Everything just appeared.

Why do you think it had to come from some mystical place?

>... but it's going to be treated just as cryptically as magic, then Revolution should just use
>magic.

It's not really cryptic like Lost's Smoke Monster; it's like making a big deal over where Monroe got the dress for Nora.

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May 28, 2013
I knew this show has produced some horrible episodes but this one was just straight garbage. Dialogue was even more dreadful than usual and the plot was as disjointed as I've ever seen one.
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May 28, 2013
It actually became quite a better show. I sat on the last 4 episodes because there was always something I wanted to see more. Today I figured I'd clear some space and ended up watching all 4 plus the newest episode. Don't really care about the tower, but I like the morally-gray stuff.
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May 27, 2013
Man Nora is really a hottie, after 3 weeks of straight torture she barely looked ruffled Derp 1. So yeah lets go into another country park our chopper and not leave anyone to guard our only way out Derp 2. Lets not even ask where everyone was at during the time of the killings lets just go with the guy with the conveniently blood knife Derp 3. An episode in Derp Derp Derp defined.
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May 24, 2013
I REALLY was not expecting a bottle episode at this point in the season from Revolution (or at any point in the series really). I know it's not entirely that, but come on... A murder mystery, finding clues, everybody relinquishing their guns, somebody had amnesia, then an 11th hour revelation about the captured wife... Ridonkulous!

I love that this show can still surprise me!
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May 24, 2013
First, I really don't get people who don't watch the show but come here and mock those who do watch it. Aren't there any lives left? Try cheap Chinese knock-offs they still trump yours!
Second, this show is bad. It's so bad, that I almost stopped watching it, but then luckily it got so crazy, that it's actually fun again. Yes, it's bad, but in a real "turn your brain off, and enjoy it" way. The creators are that crazy, that I even believe that Rachel is a goner, or even Monroe. Maybe he survives just barely then some freakin' nanites put him together and make him even crazier.
I love crazy Rachel, Elizabeth Mitchell must be having the time of her life playing her. And what about Charlie's loose top? First a bath scene, and now this? Okay...
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May 24, 2013
I don't know about you, but I really want to know who's lurking in the SUPPOSEDLY super secret, super secured tower that will SUPPOSEDLY turn the lights (and possibly more) on, when even the guy who created it can't get in. :O
Mysteries, mysteries.
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May 24, 2013
OK the premiss of the show was good lost it's way and what it was suppose to be about and if it gets renewed then the writers better have a bible or main thread to follow. I agree that a review is a personal opinion and if you love the show start your own fan page where everything is rosey and come off this site. The show will get cancelled when the numbers don't warrant it being on the air. I watch to get a god laugh because everything in this dramedy is far fetched. plus the comments are usually spot on in regards of this show.
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May 24, 2013
After reading the review and read most of the comments made below, especially by Mad-Pac and Komboloi. I have only a couple of things to add.

The review is awesome, cos i hate the show, i don't watch it anymore but i do want to hear how stupid it is and how people like you who supposedly enjoy the show( mainly because you guys are stupid and refuse to admit it) try to defend a stupid show by saying how "good it is when i guess you guys are too kind to actually say a show is bad. Or, in your books, like all humans, are born good.

Come on, the reviewer is doing his job, if the show is good, it will get its own good review on its merit, if it sucks, it will never get a good word in. I'm with Tim because i agree that it sucks, so im here every week to read what he has to say..

But you 2..ah..ha..you 2..what are you doing here? If you don't like his reviews, get lost and find some other like minded(stupid) reviewer to goad your own egos and say how damn good this show is. Why follow this reviewer if you don't think he's saying something you don't like to hear?

I guess if the 2 of you watched a show about making an Iphone with a real apple, you would say its good too, cos you see the potential in people starting a farm and growing their own phones.
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May 24, 2013
This has to be the most BORING show on TV. And there is some utter garbage out there.
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May 24, 2013
If only Rachel could enter a tent that held ALL the characters from this show, then pull the pin on the grenade and be the only one to survive, so she could then carry on and have further adventures, then maybe this show would be onto something.

Really, I just cannot believe this show is written by the same guy who writes Supernatural, which is consistently interesting. It's like he sketches the ideas for each episode of Revolution out on napkins, which some assistant will write the script from later, but he keeps wiping his mouth on the napkins before passing them on. It's inexplicable.
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May 23, 2013
I don't know why, but Rev does not feel as shite as it once was. Maybe I'm delirious...
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May 23, 2013
Very bad episode. In Italy is not very willing.
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May 22, 2013
The biggest mystery to me in this series is how the hell can Miles share the hairdresser with Tina Turner... If it's supposed to be set in the future...
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May 22, 2013
People... Let's be serious..
Who WERE those people in the Tower!?!?
Maybe they feed the thing in the elevator? :)
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May 22, 2013
Revolution is definitely my favorite comedy on TV now. I love watching each week to see what they can do dumb and illogical this time, and then I love Tim’s reviews – they are great. I noticed someone posted that reviews are supposed to be fun and positive – uh, really? Is every review of every movie always positive? Tim is just pointing out the dumb stuff that we all see, and for sure he does it in a fun way, or at least for me it is. I’m all for an adventure, and I can accept some holes and suspensions of belief, because you have to have your main characters get into situations or else it would be dull, but some things just leave you laughing. Like Nora’s capture this week. She was gone for 3 weeks, but when she returns Miles says they looked everywhere for her. Gee Miles, she’s your girlfriend and Monroe knows it – don’t you think they took her to him? Wouldn’t that have been the obvious place to look? And what about that dress? She gets tortured in it for 3 weeks straight, yet it was still looking as pretty and white at the end as when they gave it to her. And the fuel deal. We have a competent pilot preparing to fly from Atlanta to Colorado, so he has to know how far he can travel on a tank of fuel. So he is just going to fly along and “hope” there is fuel to be found along the way? Why not leave at least 1 of the 9 people behind so they can carry some extra fuel for when they need it? The writers could of have had them land somewhere while they were refueling, and still had their murder mystery – why write it stupid? But I gotta admit, I’m still watching to see what happens next, so even with all the dumbness it is still entertaining. But I’d say get off Tim’s case – he’s making the experience more enjoyable. So just like if you don’t like the show don’t watch it, then the same can be said of the review – if you don’t like what is being said don’t read it.
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May 22, 2013
To Tim and all the others who are picking fault with the logic of this show (even if it is truly displaced), then watching a show set in a post-apocalyptic America would be as boring as watching paint dry if everything made sense from our current point of view - including what would happen to diesel stored in the tanks of trucks, helicopters, etc. for 15 years, and how former military bases would either be picked clean of useable materials or actually be bases for the surviving populace.

You have to allow 'creative licence' and suspend your sense of logic and reasoning otherwise what's the point in watching a show like this?
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May 22, 2013
It would only be boring if they wrote it boring. In walking dead they were looking for gas on the highway, with broken down cars and dead bodies everywhere. That wasn't boring. Why would a broken down, raided airport have to be boring? They'd just have to write it eerie and interesting. Not make it a "whodunit sabotage!" filler episode.

The show has potential but the episode quality is just uneven. If you don't mind that, then props to you for being able to overlook poor writing. But if you do mind it, well, then this is the place to criticize it.
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May 22, 2013
Redshirt helicopter pilot should have known he would be killed. Did he never watch Start Trek?
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May 22, 2013
Uh, Star Trek....
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May 22, 2013
Due to weather and me having a satellite dish, I caught the first 15min and the last 10. The rest was cut out. Reading this review, I realise I didn't miss a single item of relevance. Since I can now apparently an episode in a half hour, I think they should expand it to two episodes a week.
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May 22, 2013
Tim,

As enjoyable as the mocking reviews of brain poison shows such as Revolution are, how about reviewing some good sci-fi like Orphan Black or Continuum that could use the attention? :)
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May 24, 2013
They're not reviewing Continuum because it's only airing in Canada now. Maybe they're planning to review it when it starts airing in the USA?

That would be weird in my opinion, because they did a poll about how tv.com members intended to watch season 2, and I think a majority said that they will be watching it as it airs in Canada and not wait for the US airing.
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May 23, 2013
Who picked up Banshee? I hope he picks up Orphan Black and Continuum instead of Tim, whose reviews of bad shows are SO negative and bitter, so much of the time. I remember laughing when Price sometimes gave a bad review.
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May 22, 2013
YES! Continuum!
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May 22, 2013
@Tim

The reviews are great. From the episodes I've watched, they are better written and more entertaining than the show itself.

However, isn't it time to stop reviewing this show and move on to something else that is perhaps more deserving?

You get sci-fi, so why not forget this and choose something that might have more potential? You might give another show a chance that otherwise would not get noticed.

It just seems a shame that your reviews probably help promote viewing of this show, by people tuning in to see just how bad it is and to make sense of the entertaining review.
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May 22, 2013
Tim probably needs a pay-check like every other guy. Southland and Continuum might sadly enough not have the funds to pay sites to write about them.
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May 22, 2013
yes exactly i never figure out , why did Rachel killed that men like that, and then wait until it's dark to get to Monroe tent, your right the show is ....
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May 22, 2013
I'll always refer to Fringe season 1 whenever I think poorly of Revolution, I hated it, it was like a cheaper X-Files, but then from Season 2 + the main story revealed and I was blown away ever since.

I'm actually glad there's the silo, I actually liked this episode. TBH I always found the intro alone too techy (or fancy) for a show without electricity. Sure there are jumps in story/added things like technology and stupid situations where Miles could have easily killed Monroe, but I think this is where Revolution will start to get interesting.

The events of killing off extraneous characters, getting to the actual tower and 'possibly' killing Monroe are all insane, sudden and surprising which I like. I certainly hope this moves the show forward - we were all waiting for the power to be turned on...
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May 22, 2013
I find that a strange comparison. Fringe may not have grabbed everyone in season 1, but not because of poor writing or poor storylines. Fringe just started in a way that needed people to believe that there would be more.... and that was a hard sell. Much the same with X-Files (except for 1 or 2 very bad episodes). Revolution is just a poor storyline with, at time, amateur writing (or so it seems) and no obvious character development.

Killing of extraneous and hardly known characters is an example, as well as the almost 'scooby-do' like goody and baddy chases...... it is pointless and simply padding. This just highlights how much this show is desperate to tell a simple story over 20+ episodes, without any other mystery-of-the-week or interesting subplots.
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May 22, 2013
A strange comparison yes, but I mean in the way that I was bored with the procedural stories in season 1 of Fringe, but I was completely blown away by the main storyline emerging in season 2 which I could have never expected.

I'll agree Revolution has a lot of padding (and poor writing/storylines), but what I've seen the past 3-4 episodes is a massive leap away from the padding - it's not so much they want to tell the story, it now seems they want to get to the actual story (if there is an actual story with amazing tower-mech-machines). I'm actually thankful they're not going the procedural mystery-of-the-week way, after Supernatural/Smallville/Defiance that formula sure is getting worn down.

I was very disappointed with Revolution first, but I like where it's headed now and I hope they get there. I seriously hope they do the unexpected; kill characters off, kill Monroe, it's a cheap move, but it can move this series. I'm willing to forgive the random nukes, Georgia wanting to surrender and basically the big gaps in logic, but if the true power in the tower is anything to hope for, maybe we will get Cylon like machines :p
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May 22, 2013
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May 22, 2013
I love it how not a while ago they took a whole episode to search for a guy to help them take down Monroe because they thought he'd be that valuable, and just a few episodes after that they already shot the guy in the back finding out he was trying to kill them. If they wanted to get rid of jim, they surely could have found a more fitting way to do it. Why did jim even decide to join miles anyway? I know Jim hated the guy because he betrayed him before, and miles also ruined his life with his wife when he came looking for him. I don't know, but the result of this side story seems its only purpose was to be wasteful and dumb to me.

As i keep watching, i still find if everyone were to die right now in that show i still wouldn't feel anything for them, except for Tom Neville of course. It's like no matter what they do they don't have any slight of attraction for someone to be interested in them. They all look so bland, especially that girl whatever her name. Look, she's one of the main protagonist and i can't even remember her name and neither that kid who likes to follow her around.
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May 22, 2013
It was interesting to see who trusts who. Miles and Charlie have really build a strong bond, the actors have a good chemistry, and no matter how much Miles refused the idea of having a family, it seems he has found one, so they trust each other. Miles also trusts Nora, and it seems feelings are deeper than he cares to admit. But I was surprised Miles and Neville didn't jump at the opportunity to accuse and get rid of one another. I like their uneasy partnership and the way Neville gingerly said, "I call gunshot." But I don't think that's going to last and sooner or later they'll be strong opponents again.

Charlie and Jason's relationship is just beginning, and he has not won her trust yet. I felt sorry for him when nobody believed him, not even Charlie. He said it was OK, he had lied to her so many times before, but he looked more like a sick puppy when he said that. I think his self-esteem is very low at the moment. But then, with a father like that...

Speaking of which, I imagine what it would be like to grow up having Neville as a father. His mother as a character was never well developed, so there's no way to know what role she played in his education. But being the son of a bastard like Neville mustn't have been easy.

So, Jim Hudson was the mole after all. Well, with the way Miles screwed his life, I'm glad his actions had a consequence. I mean, Jim was not kidding when he said Miles had ruined his life, it's just that Miles didn't want to listen.

I just don't know why they all didn't blame the new scientist guy to begin with. He seemed like the most obvious choice for traitor.

Oh, and Rachel is a psycho, which is totally cool. Charlie blames her for leaving her and Danny, but instead she should be thanking Rachel for going away.

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May 22, 2013
Another week, another confirmation that I did the right thing by dropping this show last November.

So 15 years after an apocalyptic blackout, and yet gasoline is still laying around, unused, in the open air, with the changing weather... PROBABLY STALE, THEREFORE UNUSABLE, having turned bad a looooong time ago, since, yes, after a decade-and-a-half being unattended, gas do go bad, with oxidation, water contamination and what not. So, unless Miles had with him a big barrel of Fuel Fresh or some other heavy-duty gas stabilizers, there's no way whatever gas he siphoned could be any good...

But, then again, we're talking about "Revolution" here, and, as Surette accurately wrote, "This show is dumb." As always, though, it produced a very funny article.
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May 22, 2013
Yeah and we're talking jet fuel too (FYI, Tim, the choppers of that sort use Jet-A1 not diesel).
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May 22, 2013
very true about the gas!!!
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May 22, 2013
I simply gave up... on Tim's reviews, so I don't read them anymore. Tvdotcom reviews several different shows for different audience shares and with different quality levels. Wow, even Gossip Girl got reviews for a while. In just about all of them, reviews are a nice way to extend their enjoyment, I mean, if you find something you like on TV, it's nice to consider some new aspects about it, and talk about it with other people who enjoy the same thing,

However, Tim has managed to create a bizarro review world, which is reviews for people who don't like the show, possibly don't even watch it, or just come here for the reviews, not the show. Well, what's the use of a review whose only purpose is to say I shouldn't have liked something I liked?

A scripted show exists for the purpose of entertaining. I don't watch a show to get lessons in smart story-telling or to write a college paper on the ramifications of plot holes in modern television. Revolution is light adventure entertainment, and that's it, it's just entertaining. Would it be too much to ask to get a reviewer who seems to be having a modicum of FUN in watching a piece of entertainment?

But instead it seems Tim has a terrible job ahead with these reviews. it seems that he's reviewing Revolution because he lost a bet, or his boss doesn't like him.

TVdotcom is my favorite American TV website, and in all other cases it's fun to come here after watching a show and sharing the experience. Oh, well, at least the reviewer of Grimm has managed to create a good atmosphere and it's nice to read those reviews.
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May 22, 2013
If you don't read them anymore how do you know if he wrote a bad review?

Look you're here for the same reasons everyone else is. To read the review and either praise it or bad mouth it, and have a good argument in the comments afterwards. This is what we do. Otherwise what's the point in coming here.
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May 23, 2013
"If you don't read them anymore how do you know if he wrote a bad review?"
Oh, I knew someone was going to say that, how predictable. How I know? Because I'm psychic, that's why. And tell me, and please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't it just like I said?

Seriously, I know Tim's reviews very well by now. I followed most of them and know how he thinks and expresses himself. Besides, you don't have to actually READ something. Just observe the tile, the gifs, and briefly scan a few paragraphs and you get a pretty good idea what it says. Of course if you want to go into details, which I'm not interested in, of course you read it into details. But I've long lost interest in doing that.

I come here because because it's the only forum on this website to discuss THE SHOW, not necessarily the reviews, and to express the fact that I, and I imagine other people, would like to be able to read a more impartial review.
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May 23, 2013
Firstly congratz on being a psychic. Second since Tim is unable to point out the good things about this show then please tell me what the good points are?
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May 23, 2013
Well, since you so kindly ask. I think it's fun and entertaining, in a light adventure way. Nowadays there are so many shows that try to be interesting by adding shocking and disturbing scenes. I'm thinking of Hannibal, for instance, a show I enjoy, but makes me thinking, at what point does it start getting just too sick?

Anyway, I'm curious about how the Revolution which gives title to the show is going to happen. I also wrote a rather lengthy comment about the relationships, (Miles and Charlie, Charlie and Jason, Miles and Tom) and how the present episode presented them. It's there somewhere if you care to look.

I also think Monroe turns out to be a nasty/batshit crazy/likable villain that we'll all enjoy to see fall. And the biggest problem would be what the rebels will do once they get rid of Monroe. Miles may think his old ways may still be necessary (so ironically repeating the same mistakes he made before), while Charlie will much probably disagree.

These are just examples and I'm too tired to go into more details. And besides, I don't think going into details is the point because people here are not interested in the show, just to make jokes at the show and its viewers expense, so that would not be the attitude for actually discussing the possibilities for plot development for the next season, for example.

Does that begin to answer your question?
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May 22, 2013
With all due respect to ur opinion, this show is awful. Grimm and Nikita require much suspended belief as well (I get it, I do), but they have redeeming qualities. This show has NONE imo.

My mom enjoys it though, and I love her... so it's ok, no hate to the ppl who like it... but the show is terrible and should not have been renewed. If it wasn't for kripke & co. it wouldn't get so much leeway from the network (that, and it's NBC) Realistically, it should have been cancelled after 8 episodes. It is known.
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May 23, 2013
Well, if you think this show has no redeeming qualities whatsoever, and you're free to think so, of course, just don't watch it. I disagree, and that's why I watch it, simple as that. Implying that Tim necessarily makes a negative review that only please detractors because it would be IMPOSSIBLE to make a more positive review, is ludicrous, as is your statement the show should not have been renewed just because you don't like it. There are no such absolutes when it comes to artistic expression, and if you knew anything about the subject, you'd understand what I'm saying. Specifically about television, I've seen a better attitude when reviewing worse shows, like, as I mentioned, Gossip Girl.
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May 22, 2013
re·view
/riˈvyo͞o/
Noun
A formal assessment or examination of something.

If you want to read an article that doesn't touch the flaws in revolution, look for a "recap" and not a "review".

Although I think this show is inconsistent and uneven, I still enjoy it. And come here to check out the review and comments, because seeing different opinions than mine is kind of the point I think.

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May 23, 2013
With all due respect, I think you haven't been paying attention to what I said. I didn't ask for a review that ignored Revolution's negative aspects. I asked for a reviewer that would see its positive aspects AS WELL. And preferably a reviewer that ENJOYS watching the show, and has FUN while doing it, since we're talking about a piece of entertainment.

When it comes to entertainment, well, if it entertains, flaws are secondary. Besides, I'm quite sure you know that a review of a piece of entertainment goes beyond the cold, technical definition of "review" you point out. This is not an academic analysis, it's something to motivate the discussion of people who felt motivated to watch the show in the first place, and that motivation is usually some positive aspect.
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May 23, 2013
What exactly are the positive aspects? Sound effects? If you're not going to provide them when you actually see them, you can't expect someone else to when they don't.

Since you admit to giving up and not reading, Tim did say that he's at least looking forward to finding out what the man-beast was in the elevator. Still, he's not required to find the answer satisfying or positive once he does find out.

Either way, there's still a lot of discussion for fans and haters, and neither side requires Tim aside from starting the page. A second reviewer stepped in when Tim was gone...and he didn't like this show much either (and I KNEW IT~!!!!). Ahem. Without Tim, we might not even have these pages at all.
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May 23, 2013
Why? Because you're asking others (or at least a reviewer) to do it. We don't have to agree on what those are, but since you want Tim or someone else to do it, you're asking them to agree with you that all these positive things exist in the first place.

Positive, like any other adjective, is an opinion, so you're asking the reviewer to come over to your opinion, or search for a reviewer that's already there. As you're not paying his salary, the least you could do is ask for something you can do yourself.
No, I saw you say that you think the show's fun and entertaining. Is that the quality of your dream review for this show? Someone saying it's fun and entertaining with absolutely no reasons or explanation? The relationships are interesting, “Miles and Charlie have such a bond,””Miles trusts Nora and seems to like her more than he admits,” “Charlie and Jason are just beginning,” ”Rachel’s psycho, which is cool.” At best these are vague opinions that not everyone shares. Not only that, but they pretty much could be said at any time, most of them since the fourth week…the last time I actually watched.

Others: How the viewers can't wait to see the main bad guy fall...years down the line? And it's not even a given that we'll enjoy it when he falls...as it depends on how he falls. If he falls in some epic sword fight with Miles throwing in a one-liner, or Monroe gets blown up in a helicopter or nuclear plant (heh...because those are back now), then...probably. But if he stands over Charlie or Miles as if he's about to kill one of them, and then takes almost 20 minutes of an episode explaining his master plan for domination of the Earth to them, and then gets stabbed or shot in the back at 19:59, just as he was finally "about to kill" Charlie or Miles, no, many of us wouldn't find that enjoyable. Many of us would find that to be a nasty/batshit crazy/unlikable amount of stupidity. The point is, your opinions are only opinions, and no matter what they are, there will be more than enough people who won't agree with it. You're not supposed to please everyone, and if you're not pleased, you're one of those people who aren't supposed to be pleased.

This is why people ask you to list positive aspects, to figure out what you actually mean, which seems to be more of a seasonal recap. Overall conceptions of characters' personalities and how viewers are going to feel when things happen far into the future aren't things that go into a review. Those are at best for part of an end-of-the-year synopsis. Those don't serve as actual examples of positivity that belong in a weekly review unless they actually happen that week, and when they’re that vague, you’d be saying the same things week after week without specific examples. My side would tear him apart for that. He may be unkind to this show, but it's not his job to be kind; it's the show's job to be good. It’s not his job to praise anything a network makes; it’s his job to call it like he sees it, as it is with us, and hopefully, the next episode or show that comes out will work a little harder to be better than the last one. At least he has actual reasons behind his opinions, and he provides them every week. I personally think he's soft and has been starved for good sci-fi for too long, but that doesn’t give me the right to tell him to change his opinions or to step down.

I do still wish he would, though, just to see someone else agree with him.
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May 23, 2013
Why do people keep asking me to post positive aspects? If you're unable to see any by yourself, will anything I say make any difference? I really don't think so. You simply don't like the show. This is not a debate in which I have to prove why the show has elements people may actually enjoy. TV is entertainment, and either you find yourself entertained or you don't. It's greatly emotional.

But since you asked about positive aspects, and I just wrote something on another comment, I'll just copy and paste it.

Well, since you so kindly ask. I think it's fun and entertaining, in a light adventure way. Nowadays there are so many shows that try to be interesting by adding shocking and disturbing scenes. I'm thinking of Hannibal, for instance, a show I enjoy, but makes me thinking, at what point does it start getting just too sick?

Anyway, I'm curious about how the Revolution which gives title to the show is going to happen. I also wrote a rather lengthy comment about the relationships, (Miles and Charlie, Charlie and Jason, Miles and Tom) and how the present episode presented them. It's there somewhere if you care to look.

I also think Monroe turns out to be a nasty/batshit crazy/likable villain that we'll all enjoy to see fall. And the biggest problem would be what the rebels will do once they get rid of Monroe. Miles may think his old ways may still be necessary (so ironically repeating the same mistakes he made before), while Charlie will much probably disagree.

These are just examples and I'm too tired to go into more details. And besides, I don't think going into details is the point because people here are not interested in the show, just to make jokes at the show and its viewers expense, so that would not be the attitude for actually discussing the possibilities for plot development for the next season, for example.

Does that begin to answer your question?

Anyway, to me it would make much more sense if a professional commentator wold pick a show aiming at entertainment because he or she, well, feels entertained by it, instead of repulsed.

As for Cory's review, I'd say this new writer is quickly becoming my favorite. It was an insightful review, the tone was much different, and it considered good and bad aspects. If Cory were to take over the reviews, you'd hear no complaints from me.
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May 22, 2013
Totally agrre, I see no reason why the old wisdom of "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" should not apply to reviews. A review should be fun and positive, why add insult to injury by writing a negative review if a show is already as horrendously stupid as Revolution?
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May 22, 2013
What? By definition, a review does NOT have to be "fun and positive." It's a critical examination of something, identifying its flaws and features and arguing why something is a flaw or feature.

I thought Tim did an excellent job explaining his problem with the way the show has evolved. The jumps in storytelling are awful, and the pacing is horrendous. I'd add more, but you get the gist.
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May 23, 2013
Well, obviously he's not being critical enough if he cannot see the qualities, what gets people to watch the show and got it renewed. Yes, I get the gist, you don't like it, but that doesn't mean your view represents the view of all viewers. Saying this is awful, that is horrendous, well, you're just using adjectives that reflect your opinion, and that can be debated. As Is aid before there are no such absolutes when it comes to artistic expression.

Besides, speaking of a piece of entertainment, yes I agree there should be some tolerance and a slight bias in favor of the thing being criticized. Listen, would you send a nerd who hate sports to cover a football game? Would you ask someone who hates heavy metal to write a column about a Metallica show? Or would you get someone who understand how the fans feel?

I even understand why the review of a movie or a play should be harsher. If you read a very negative review, great, you might save your time and money and don't go watch it. But the review of a TV episode is for people who have ALREADY watched the episode and basically the review doesn't interfere in their decision to watch or skip it. It only works to motivate discussion. It makes no sense that the only people enjoying such reviews are people who hated or didn't even watch the episode.
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May 23, 2013
@ buildam2005 - I guess each of us come to a review expecting different things, so it's OK to disagree as for their purpose.

I don't claim to have a better understanding about movies and TV than you. All I did was describe my understanding of them, and yes, I do understand that. It's just that to me, reviews have different purposes. I use movie reviews to help me choose a movie to watch. I might even read a review of a movie I've seen, but that's less likely, and I don't see the point of that. And I read a TV review to think about new aspects of something I previously enjoyed watching.

If you observe, movie reviews usually avoid spoilers so people can read them and still watch them. But TV reviews are full of spoilers because the writer assumes the reader has already seen the episode., so I guess the way I use them makes sense.

What completely escapes me is why somebody would waste their time with some show they find subpar and pedestrian, and especially if the person doesn't find other redeeming characteristics. Personally I watch a couple episodes to know what's the deal of a show, but if it's just too bad, I just move on. I would never make it to the 20th episode of a show I didn't find something truly interesting about, despite its flaws.

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May 23, 2013
Like I said, I don't think that you specifically do the blanket "Tim's reviews suck" thing. My original point in posting here in the first place was that I simply don't understand the "reviews should slant toward the positive" idea that someone else posted.

There's a difference between starting a series-long review unbiased or with bias and demonstrating a particular kind of disdain repeatedly if the series is deserving of said response. I tend to agree with Tim. I've watched the show relatively steadily, and I find the plotting subpar, the relationships pedestrian and uninteresting, and the dialogue atrocious. If an episode came along that blew me away, I would admit it. If an episode was even good, I'd admit it. And Tim, historically, does the same. He may shade said praise with his touchstone sardonic language, but it's still there when it can be--there's even a bit of it in this very review.

I would object strongly to your claim that you understand the difference between TV and film. What it sounds like is that the way you utilize reviews of each medium is different than mine; it doesn't mean I can't tell them apart. I simply use and respond to the various forms of writing about them in different ways.
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May 23, 2013
@ buildam2005 - Well, if you think a review shouldn't be biased, then you shouldn't like Tim's reviews, because they are biased against the show. he clearly doesn't like it and doesn't miss an opportunity to show it.

I wasn't questioning Tim's studies about television. I was talking about the ability to enjoy something. And my hypothetical nerd could study about football all he wanted but his review would still be of little use if he didn't like what he was seeing in the first place.

Well, maybe you don't get the difference between movies and TV shows, but I do. I normally check movie reviews before I watch a movie to help me decide if I'll watch a movie or not. But a TV show that's been on for a while, well, i don't need a review to make up my mind at this point. maybe in the beginning, maybe in the first episodes, maybe the analysis of a preescreener. But otherwise I look for a chance to talk about something I basically enjoyed.

I won't explain why I disagree with Tim's stances. Many people already know what I think and I've written several comments explaining that in the comment section of several other reviews. I really don't see the point of doing that anymore. And believe me I've gone way beyond the "ugh Tim's reviews suck" stage.

Even in this very forum I wrote another comment saying what I found positive about the way the characters relate, about what we've learned concerning who trusts who. I think that was an interesting part, considering the solid relationship built between Miles and Charlie and the fragile one between Charlie and Jason. It's all there for anyone who wants to see. I don't believe Tim's review even considered those positive aspects. Anyway, it's all there in my comment, so don't say I just rant "ugh these reviews suck".

As for the record, part of my frustration is that Tim used to be my favorite reviewer on this website. But after reading much better texts by Cory and Noel, for example, I changed my mind.

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May 23, 2013
I agree that saying, in a review, "this is awful, this is horrendous," is useless. But Tim didn't just do that. He explained his problems.

Again, having a 'slight bias in favor of the thing being criticized" is NOT what a review is. A review shouldn't begin immediately with bias; it should be based on the quality of the thing being viewed. Of course I wouldn't send a nerd who hates sports to cover football games, but this is different. Tim knows, studies, watches, and writes about television.

I don't really get the point about movies or plays. People see them despite, because of, before, and after reviews are written.

It's fine to disagree with Tim's stances. Explain away, using specifics, why you disagree. I think that's great. Dialogue and debate are great. Even feel free to utilize the kind of snark Tim does. But just as annoyed as you feel by these reviews, some users/commenters/viewers find the "ugh, Tim's reviews just suck" statements. Saying Tim has no substance to his reviews, then simply making blanket statements like that, don't help. I'm not saying that you, specifically, do this, but plenty of those with some problem with Tim's review do.

And for the record, I'm not some diehard Tim supporter. I do like his reviews, but I've certainly disagreed with his position before. But, at the same time, when I go into reading one of Tim's reviews, I know what style of review I'm getting, and accept that as part of the premise of participating in this viewing/discussing community.
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May 22, 2013
I gave up on this show about 5 episodes in and figured I would check to see if it has gotten better, which it hasn't. I'll check the season finale review to make sure I still haven't missed anything. Please let me know if "The Tower" turns out to be like the silo in Hugh Howey's "Wool."
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May 22, 2013
Have to agree totally with the note about stopping for gas. Maximum range of a Huey helicopter is a little over 300 miles (and some versions are under 200 miles) Distance from Georgia to Colorado, about 1200 miles so, 3-4 fuel stops needed. Monroe manages to fly a small army there with tents and supplies. Love to know how he coordinated this.

Vehicles left outside exposed to the elements for more than a decade, not a single flat tire or broken windshield. And you would think an old military base would be a prime target for people scavenging for weapons/supplies/fuel.

Revolution HAS improved over the first few episodes but I hate how they have episodes like this that have plot holes you can fly a fleet of helicopters through...

I'm kind of hoping they will clue everything up quickly, turn the power back on and let this show fade into black.
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May 22, 2013
You know, another way of making the show fade to black is by turning off the television. That works wonders with me.
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May 22, 2013
I admit that I haven't caught up to Revolution in the past few eps mainly because my initial interest in this show is slowly slipping. There aren't any interesting characters, the only characters that are remotely entertaining is Neville and Rachel. At this point, I wouldn't miss Revolution if it was cancelled. If I lived in America and had a Neilson box, I'd rather watch Arrow than Revolution come next season because Revolution is just not as exciting compared to Arrow. I really expected better from Kripke on this one. I'll still watch this show in (diminished) hopes of it getting better, it's just I'm not heavily invested in it.
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May 22, 2013
This episode was an unhappy mix of "The Manchurian Candidate" and "Clue" (or really another second rate mystery story). The clues were all for the wrong people. But I guess when you only devote 18 to 22 minutes to the primary storyline that is what you get. A lot of misdirection but no substantive formulation of the real villain.

The entire concept behind Jim Hudson being the mole is absurd. First off it means that some how Jim wasn't smart enough to get his wife to a safe region. Really, I believe that for about two seconds. Secondly, it means that Monroe amazingly knew where to look for Hudson after Miles found him??? The same guy that he couldn't find for many years? The same guy who killed the only militia unit that knew of his residence? The same town that would probably be unsafe for his wife to stay in any more. I don't think Hudson would tell his wife to leave a forwarding address. So how did they find the wife? Was it like Monroe had a psychic-premonition or something?

Then of course you have the Tower now being some sort of Area 51 place. I want to know do they have Bob Lazar and John Lear ghost writing some of this stuff? THey could put in Element 115 and J-Rod ( US's Alien Buddy) lives in the basement killing people. They could hop a space ship and met real martians and use the death ray to destroy Monroe. Awesome.
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May 22, 2013
Rachel & Nora's torture were intriguing enough stories, but the "it's one of us that's killing us" story was dragged on and on and on, ect…then a very dragged out disarming, then a very dragged out mole killing.

My guess as to who's in the tower: Nano-Enhanced Super Humans courtesy of Aliens. But are the Aliens controlling us via the Nano-Enhanced Super Humans, or are our Nano-Enhanced Super Humans controlling captured Aliens.
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May 22, 2013
I was hoping to see some of the natives of the Plains territory, give the war a third dimension.

The people in the Tower are clearly the Others, the last explosion coincided with the loss of power and the teleported to Colorado. and time shifted. and whatever other lame idea the writers seem to want us to just accept.

Clearly every helo pilot can remember every airfield there is all over the country even after 15 years. And Miles is an ok helo pilot too because why not. And Norah isn't just a munitions expert/bounty hunter, she can repair helocopter engines which is good, because crossing the wrong wires would NEVER be a problem in a flying bucket.

And Rachel can kill a trooper with a belt, walk through the camp to Monroe's tent but still felt the need to stop and say hi with a smirk. So clearly the next episode will pick up where this one ended. Rachel will detonate the grenade killing herself and Monroe and the next 55 minutes will be about Miles flying in and taking over the militia now that crazy pants is dead.

The hatch on Lost started to be more irritating than it was interesting after a while, with this show I imagine the Tower is already at that point for most of us who still find ourselves watching the show.

yes this episode was way too predictable for my liking, but Norah really was hot in the dress. And Marion did NOT pull it off better.
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May 22, 2013
You made me laugh at work...lol
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May 21, 2013
There comes a point when you think back to all the great shows that never found an audience, all the wonderful shows that were canceled too soon.

And you ask yourself, why, why Revolution?

Even immortal Nazis with fancy clocks are starting to sound better...
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May 23, 2013
I think you're talking about...Zero Hour?

If so, I get what you're trying to say, but no, that show is worse. Barely, but worse. How that can be, I can't really say, but it's so very true. You might think that "If only Zero Hour had a few more episodes to get its groove..." but no. No groove. It stayed as stupid as it began.

If not...don't mind me.
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May 23, 2013
That's my point. Revolution became so bad (full disclosure, I stopped watching at episode 13 and only read the reviews to make sure I not missing anything) that it was hard to justify all the vitriol for all the other bad shows that got axed after 2-5 weeks on air.

I am disappointed because Revolution had the coolest premise since Flash Forward and this should was supposed to be (at least in my mind) the dystopian theme we haven:t really seen since Battlestar Galactica. You:d think only an idiot could ruin this show.

However, they wanted to go a different route and got renewed so what the hell do I know. On the flip side, at least I made it through 13 episodes of Revolution. Terra Nova - 3 episodes, Zero Hour - 2 episodes, Red Widow - 1st 10 minutes of 1st episode.
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May 23, 2013
True, I'm with you, but while Zero Hour also was a show that should've been difficult to screw up, it actually still deserved a more brutal banhammer than Revolution, and I stopped watching Revolution after four episodes. I'd give any show at least four episodes on the air, but I can't fault ABC for this one, and I'm still hating on them for Defying Gravity.

Anyway, I've watched 7 of Zero Hour, and it's honestly, steadily, reliably worse...than even Revolution...in every measurable way.

I just *had* to know, and imo, now I do.
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May 23, 2013
I would've enjoyed to see where the zany plot of Zero Hour would have lead. Shows don't have to be grouped as "smart" or "stupid" but "entertaining" or "not entertaining" instead. But the one I couldn't really stand was Cult. I saw one episode, left it, and never looked back, as I believe we should do about shows that annoy us.
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May 23, 2013
There are different ranges of stupid. It's one thing for the premise to be too stupid (which...Zero Hour's was stupid, but it could've been entertaining if it had been done well), but it's another for the characters to be so stupid, the show becomes "not entertaining," or the dialogue is so stupid it becomes not entertaining.

They can make a Four-Armed Ninja Space Pirate movie, and it could truly be great, and if it weren't, it would likely be for the same reasons Zero Hour wasn't. They were stupid, they behaved stupidly, and they spoke stupidly, and thus they made the show stupid.
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May 23, 2013
It does sound utterly ridiculous, but a good movie could be done...within reason. When you hear the title Four-Armed Ninja Space Pirates, you know what you're getting, but within that syfy movie range, yeah, it could be done. It just won't.
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May 23, 2013
Ugh, I would never feel like watching a Four-Armed Ninja Space Pirate movie no matter how smart they tried to make it.
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May 22, 2013
Omg, exactly what I was thinking, re: the great Last Resort.

Why, why Revolution indeed. There is no justice in this world.
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May 22, 2013
Completely agree with you : RIP Last Resort, Firefly, Rubicon ... I'm still hoping that Hannibal will be saved.
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May 22, 2013
Last Resort: great show, agreed. it's a pity nobody watched it, isn't it? Damned sponsors, all they can think about is profits!
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May 21, 2013
Wow what a wasted hour of my time. Nothing really happened for the entire episode - Nora was back with ease and then NBC Universal screws Malik Yoba over again, first they cancel the vastly superior show he was on 'Alphas' and then they give him a back story - 180 his purpose and his character - and then kill him off. FU NBC. That Rachel with a hand grenade doesn't work because this flimsy shit falls apart with Rachel dead and The Cape as established is invincible. Erik Kripke is quickly losing his cred being associated with this flaming pile of crap. This dumb ass story is his. How could they renew this awful series - this is what people that are stupid enough to still be taking their projects to networks have to aim towards? Put a fork in it Network television is done and NBC is helping it out the door. They should be embarrassed they air this show..
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May 22, 2013
As you said yourself, Kripke isn't merely associated to "Revolution" - he created this mess! In my book, his cred died pretty much since November...
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May 22, 2013
Its not just the bad acting anymore. How do you survive when you keep killing off the good actors or at least characters we want to spend more time with and continue running the show with these two missed their moment actors (or musicians if you're Burke), Burke and Lyons, neither of whom seem to know who their characters really are - I bet Colm Feore is next to die. (Show he is missing from has been really good this season; bet he misses the Borgia Pope.) How can 'Hannibal' even be questioned to be returned when they know this waste of space IS returning? They have the safety net on 'Hannibal' of someone else's material, money from outside US, and a competent show runner whose been out of the game for a while but his show is really settling in as this show continues to prove 'REVOLUTION' CAN GET WORSE.
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May 21, 2013
Also why did Rachel insist on walking to the tower if she had access to a helicopter that can fly from Georgia to Colorado in half a day??? It was definitely better to smash her 2 pendents and walk because there is no way Monroe will find out and use his unlimited pendants and fly there in 15 min.
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May 21, 2013
She didn't, they could only user the helicopter because escaping scientist guy brought one of the pendant - amplifiers out in his truck when he rescued Nora.
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May 22, 2013
and who made the amplifiers......
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May 22, 2013
She can make amplifiers, but apparently pendants are more complex.
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May 22, 2013
Yes, and she destroyed the other pendants to avoid being located by Randall.
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May 22, 2013
so whats the difference now? He cant track it in an amplifier? He cant track it in a helicopter? couldnt they just have removed the usb part from the pendant, made 2 new amplifiers(Rachel can make them) and then keep them moving or in the amplifiers so he cant track them. This show makes no sense.
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May 22, 2013
Randall can't track his butt now because he is no longer in the tower. Besides, tracking is no longer the issue, as the war intensified. This show makes sense if you pay attention and have imagination. But even if it doesn't, who cares? LOST didn't make a nick of sense and people always said it was the coolest thing evah! Why don't you try and find sense in the Simpsons?
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May 21, 2013
Holy shit this episode was bad and I don't mean bad so I can hate watch, worse then that. Apperantly the world has shrunk down to the size of Texas.

Let's do a murder mystery where there is only one non main character left alive and see if we can guess who done it. Worst way to fill out an episode ever.
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May 21, 2013
Who's not for some wacky shit? We need some wacky shit, they need some wacky shit - I just love saying "wacky shit", btw - we all need some wacky shit. Thanks for pointing that out, Tim - WACKY SHIT FOR EVERYONE!!!
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May 23, 2013
The review and reading this page is enough wacky shit for me. Watching the episode...too much, bro. Waaaay too much.
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May 21, 2013
YAAAAY! Thanks for my wacky shit, Muderboy!
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May 21, 2013
This was yet the most boring episode Revolution aired so far. OMG it was just plain stupid! It seriously felt like a bunch of classmates sent to Principal Miles' office for doing something bad and blaming each other. Overly long...

What the hell did they do for the 3 weeks Nora was being torture? Sunbathe? Come on...

Frodo and Sam finally got into Mordor! Then psychotic Rachal aka Frodo took a granade and shoved it down Monroe's ass. But he'll probably never die.

This show... tries too hard.

The hatch has no comparison.
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May 22, 2013
I think you mean it doesn't try hard enough...
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May 22, 2013
No, no, it tries too hard to show all of this cool things and action packed whatever but fails miserably to make me care about anyone or even succeed... I give it points for trying though...
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May 22, 2013
Didn't get cancel now but let's put a pin on that one, shall we?
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May 22, 2013
That's fair. I like the show and characters, but it's certainly not good. If it gets cancelled I'll get over it...
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May 22, 2013
Yeah, I like the concept of the show, of what could be so much more than I actually like this show. Characters have so much potential that they neglect... Clearly I'd get over it fast as well...
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May 21, 2013
I like it, then I don't like it, then I like it again.... guilty pleasure maybe?? hahahah
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May 22, 2013
You seem a little wishy-washy, but I think it's really this show. It's almost good, now and then. Guilty pleasure...
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May 22, 2013
Are you having the same dilemma? hahaha :)
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May 22, 2013
It's pretty common really, it's all Tim's fault...
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May 21, 2013
Hey Tim, this show is worth watching if only to read your reviews later, so thanks. you're hilarious :)
and to answer your question from your NOTES about the people in the tower, it was obviously Glenn Morshower (as his name appeared in the opening credits just to show the back of his head for 2 seconds. LOL) who was leading them and he also appeared (very) briefly on "Ghosts" (s01e12) in the flashbacks when they showed the push of the button that turned off the lights. and also, according to IMDB, his character's name is Tower (how appropriate...).
guess he's been stuck there or very comfortable there ever since...

I really liked him as agent Pierce on 24 and was bummed when they killed him off on season 7.
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May 21, 2013
Note to self: buy more cough syrup.
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May 22, 2013
Or wacky shit...
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May 21, 2013
I'm gonna try the 'shrooms next week. Cough syrup is not enough
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May 21, 2013
So, just for perspective sake, I watch the Bates Motel live then I hurry through my recording of Revolution because there is absolutely nothing I think about later about it (and I must confess, I am not disappointed it will get relegated to on demand status next year in favor of Survivor and Arrow). Last night, I was kept awake with a horrible headache and it didn't occur to me until three a.m. to take something, but since I was awake, I keep thinking, what do I keep thinking about? The Bates Motel, not Revolution, the last show I watched. Heck, the Bates Motel was clearly an episode that could serve as a conclusion point if A&E determined it didn't have a brain in its head and didn't pick it up, it was kind of weirdly organized and not exactly as bat shit crazy awesome as other episodes have been (but seriously, is Dylan's father actually Norma's brother and if so, will Dylan be held up as an example as how incest doesn't have to produce an evil prick like Joffrey). Anyway...Revolution is silly, but I think I appreciated that Billy Burke or whatever his name is finally stopped acting like it was silly.

Yeah, who were those people? Why am I imagining some sort of horrible vampire/zombie but intelligent type beings who have already either eaten Grace, made her one of them, or selected her as their Queen. Heck, I had a private little hope that Randall et al couldn't get in because sometime in the three weeks we had been away that Rachel and Aaron had gotten in and at least obtained control of the working of the Tower. That just would have moved the story along without stupid cliff hangers.
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May 22, 2013
Oh, I loved this season of Bates Motel, by the way. I just wonder what nympho Blue Fairy teacher really wanted with Norman, to fuck him or just tease him. I thought that was a nice cliffhanger for the next season. Norma thinks things are all right, but they are far from all right. It's a pity Cory is not reviewing the show anymore.
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May 23, 2013
There is also the issue that I honestly didn't think about, that whatever the teacher's first name was it began with B...which might have been who Bradlee's father had previously had an affair with, and whatever he did, seemed to piss Dylan's boss off at the whole family.
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May 23, 2013
Excellent! Congratulations, you just found B!
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May 24, 2013
Oh right I didn't think of that! Do we know for sure her name began with B? I can't recall.

And that's true, we don't know that it was an ex and not someone else harassing her for another reason...it just seemed like an ex from the way she was speaking. Come to think of it, I remember wondering why it was so important to her that no one know about that phone call. A stalker ex isn't necessarily something to hide, but if she was mixed up in something shady, that would make more sense.
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May 23, 2013
This is actually to below...I know Bradley's father couldn't have killed her, but she could have been being harassed by one of Bradley's father's co workers (so this Eric was that person and not an ex) similarly to how Norma was being harassed for the $ 150,000. So, Dylan will likely learn after he and Norma have put themselves in danger hiding the body and everything that Norman didn't do it and for some reason we will be discussing he tells Norma who obsesses over this in that way she does.
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May 23, 2013
Hey, wait a minute but then the ex couldn't be Bradley's father, because he's dead. Oh, well, I'm confused now.
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May 22, 2013
I agree, I wish they were still reviewing (although it was Noel, not Cory). He said the reviews just weren't getting enough traffic, which is a shame. I really like Bates Motel and thought Vera Farmiga was outstanding. Freddie Highmore and Max Theriot were great, too. [SPOILERS, just in case someone else is reading this] I think the end was really Blue Fairy's ex, not Norman. What did you think?
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May 22, 2013
I think you might be right, but I think next season might start with Norma being concerned for whatever reason and she and Dylan try and cover it up thinking that Norman did it but it was the ex.
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May 24, 2013
Entirely possible!
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May 23, 2013
You guys made me think about who's behind teacher "Blue Fairy's" murder. Perhaps it was the ex, but all the suspicion and mayhem that will follow will push Norman over the edge and get him to *really* commit a murder next time.
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May 22, 2013
Agreed, I thought that might happen, too. Norma does love a good cover-up.
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May 22, 2013
I hope it was Norman. This is the necessary kind of thing for his character development into the Norman Bates we all learned to know. And thanks for the correction. Noel, not Cory. Credit where it's due.
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May 22, 2013
Oh, I just thought of this- the ex killed Blue Fairy and then Norman killed the ex! A woman he loved being threatened is what set him off the other times he attacked someone, if I recall correctly (the husband, the rapist, and Dylan berating her to Norman). Norman sees the ex attack her in the bedroom, loses it and kills him. I doubt that's it but would be kind of a fun misdirection...Norman didn't kill her but he did kill someone! lol
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May 22, 2013
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May 22, 2013
Now you got me thinking about the ex...
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May 22, 2013
True, although I thought it might be a bit early for him to go into full-on slasher mode. It was left so open to interpretation and I can see them wanting to make a bigger onscreen to-do of it the first time (not counting Papa) he kills. Thread hijack!
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May 21, 2013
Psycho-Rachel is one of my favorite tv characters ever! First she strangled a monroe's militia guy with a freaking belt and then she walked into Monroe's tent with a grenade in a hand. Rachel deserves her own spin-off!
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May 22, 2013
Yeah, psycho Rachel IS good, but spin-off - what like Revolution-Psycho Rachel? OR... they could just give her own, well-written show called Psycho Rachel and let Revolution die in its own vomit.
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May 21, 2013
" the cryptically titled "Clue" (did I miss something?)" Referring to the board game Clue, Who was the murderer.
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May 23, 2013
I bet if Monroe heard a soldier mumbling under his breath and Monroe said "I'm sorry, soldier, I didn't hear that," you'd be the guys who'd say it louder for him...so he could hear that.

Sarcasm over the internet: always someone out there who bites.
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May 23, 2013
Maybe, or he didn't actually hear it.
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May 23, 2013
Possible. By all means, when a homicidal megalomaniac wants a soldier to repeat something he mumbled under his breath, yell out what was said so everyone can hear. Play those odds, and then go watch a Mel Brooks movie or two.
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May 23, 2013
Even more ridiculous is seeing sarcasm where it isn't just to pretend someone is one of the guys who "gets it."
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May 23, 2013
Well, since it did, I guess it would. The only thing more ridiculous than attempting sarcasm over the internet is trying to explain it to the pair of people that didn't get it, and that's on me.
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May 23, 2013
Mel Brooks is a great comedian and I've enjoyed quite a few of his movies in their time. And if a psychotic dictator like Monroe just looked at you the wrong way, basically you'd be screwed. Probably nothing the poor soldier did say would make any real difference art that point. As for whether Tim knew the "Clue" reference or he did miss something as he admitted, it's up to interpretation. To me it seems he had no "clue".
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May 22, 2013
Yes, Tim asked if he had missed something, He did. The board game reference was very clear. There was even a movie with that name.
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May 21, 2013
If you don't think Tim knows that reference...
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