Revolution "The Children's Crusade" Review: Operation Punch Charlie in Her Pretty Face

Revolution S01E07: "The Children's Crusade"

Unless some miracle of television spackling occurs, Revolution is beyond salvation and will never be good. But that doesn't mean we can't enjoy it. I'm more into the show now than ever, and that's because I've adapted my viewing habits to match the show. My expectations are so low that Charlie could wake up and realize the blackout was all a bad nightmare that resulted from some chowing on some late-night pepperoni Hot Pockets and I wouldn't even flinch. In fact, I'd love that! So yeah, my expectations are low—but they're still expectations. Even though I go into each episode with an open mind, there's no forgetting the six hours of Revolution that preceded "The Children's Crusade."

Now I get a little antsy before each episode of Revolution, because what if it's... good? What if Charlie doesn't get herself into a dumb situation where she needs to be rescued by Miles AGAIN? What if things make sense? What if there isn't some ridiculous sidequest that Charlie insists the group set out on? What once were wastes of endless potential have become addictive nuggets of dreck, and the early moments of each episode of Revolution, when I'm unsure what's in store, have become nerve-racking.

But after those early moments of uncertainty in last night's "The Children's Crusade," a pack of wild, orphaned kids showed up with bows and arrows and I let out a sigh of relief. Water was still wet. Hell did not experience an Ice Age. Pigs did not sprout wings. Revolution promised to remain enjoyably bad for at least another hour, and the world was able to continue spinning. Phew!

"The Children's Crusade" was not the turning point for the series, thank the lord, but I will say it did take some much-appreciated steps toward answering some of our questions about the blackout. Were they the answers we were looking for? Not even close! But the episode's combination of pointless sidequest and flashbacks detailing the origin of the blackout was Revolution at its bestworst!

Obviously Charlie doesn't care THAT much about Danny, because she's constantly taking up these extracurricular missions that keep her from finding her brother. Last night's was straight out of a bad role-playing video game, as a group of wildling orphans needed help finding their leader Peter. It turned out to be valuable brother-finding experience points for Charlie, however, because Peter was the brother of Michael, a boy who became the de facto boy in charge of the Kid Crusaders after Peter was boynapped by Monroe's men. It should also be mentioned that Michael had a great haircut for a post-apocalypse wasteland. Apparently a worldwide blackout has frozen hairstyles in the world of YouTube dreamboats.

"My brother was taken too so I will help you get your brother because I know how that feels, bro," said Charlie as she put Danny's life on the back burner because screw Danny. Charlie has an insatiable need to help others who aren't her brother that cannot be stopped, so don't even try to reason with her. Heck, she was about to take on a whole Monroe army with a knife because they had a kid in chains! She has People Saving Syndrome, and it's incurable and those who suffer from it are afflicted with poor judgment, an inflated sense of self, and frowny faces. Miles tried to reason with Charlie and made a big deal about getting it through her thick skull that they couldn't save everyone, and then Miles also caught People Saving Syndrome and later said, "We're saving these adorable and dangerous kids that just ambushed us!" Even though Aaron called him out on his inconsistency. Yes, Miles felt guilty about being in charge of the Monroe Republic army when the kids' parents were taken away, but Miles was in charge of the Monroe Republic army when a lot of horrible things happened. Heck, he barely wanted to help his own niece at first. He's the archetypical selfish rogue who will put his own life at risk to help others wait what? Guys, I think Miles might be a paranoid schizophrenic.

So Miles, Charlie, Nora, and Aaron took off to find Peter because it was an adults-only mission, and of course a handful of kids, including the fat one and the young black girl who are about as useful in a fight as baby bunnies, snuck along behind them because they wanted some action, too. What's up with kids in television thinking they can always fight? Stay home and play with your Nintendos that you made out of tree bark and rocks, brats! In hindsight, other than (spoiler) Michael getting taken captive, there really wasn't a point for these kids to come along. Also in hindsight, the guy who greenlighted this show was definitely on an absinthe bender.

Thankfully, Miles had a plan to get into the giant conscription boat that Peter was being held in, and it involved Charlie getting punched. A lot. Last week, the grand plan was telling guards, "I'd hate to be you when I tell your boss that you wouldn't let me in!" This week, the plan was punch Charlie in the face. Charlie sat by the side of a road and waited for some militia men to come by, then one of them punched her in the face. Then next thing you know she was on the boat getting conscripted. Then Charlie picked a fight with a big fat kid, and he punched her in the face. So far, this plan was going great! Here's what it looked like.

OPERATION PUNCH CHARLIE IN HER PRETTY FACE

Phase One:

Phase Two:

SUCCESS!

Then Charlie was in the medical bay (from getting punched in the face twice) being treated by a kind doctor, so she tranquilized the doctor by stabbing him in the neck with a syringe. Not nice! After the kind doctor was subdued, she ran about three steps before she got captured. Ugh, how could this fool-proof face-punching neck-stabbing plan be foiled by a well-run and armed military force? We might never know.

And you know what happens when Charlie gets in trouble (which is all the time), Miles comes and saves her! For the second straight week in a row, Charlie found her way into an impenetrable fortress for an objective using an elaborate plan (dressing up like a slut, getting punched in the face) that worked zero percent, and once again Miles waltzed into the same heavily secured stronghold by climbing over something and saved Charlie. You might be asking yourself, "Why doesn't Miles just go in the first place and save everyone a bunch of trouble?" Let me put that question to rest by saying, "Because then Charlie wouldn't get punched in the face."

They grabbed Peter, and were about to leave when Michael showed up with a bunch of mean militia men holding a knife to his throat. There was no way to get out of this situation, they were totally boned! There were only two things that could save them: Batman or a deus ex machina, and Batman was on vacation. Deus ex machina it is! While Miles and Charlie and Nora and Peter were in trouble, Aaron was back at the lighthouse basecamp with the kids who couldn't follow orders and they were all hiding from some bad guys when Aaron's pendant lit up and turned on the lighthouse! Then the lighthouse blinded Michael's captors all the way over on the boar, and it was truly a blessed coincidence because it gave Miles the split second he needed to start one of the show's epic swordfights and in about two shakes of a lamb's tail Miles killed everyone on the boat. Just decimated all the militia men in a flurry of severed limbs and broken dreams. Classic Miles. So good with a sword when he needs to be. The children were saved, every person in the party got 100 experience points and 15 gold, and Charlie put all her character level-up points into Constitution so she could take punches from larger opponents for next episode.

Back at Casa de Monroe, Revolution attempted to make something interesting out of the insufferable bore that is Rachel's imprisonment in Monroe's prison mansion. Monroe captured a former cohort of Rachel's that supposedly held one of the magic pendants, so Rachel was taken out of her fancy four-star confinement and planted in the actual prison to get the information out of him. But he was wise to Monroe's plan, so he didn't give up the information and instead they tortured his daughter! It was really critical to the whole episode's theme of "What is the point of this?" Way to turn your back on your former friend and get his family probably raped, Rachel.

But the best part (as usual) was the flashbacks, this time following Rachel well before the blackout. Ben's science team was working on a device that could produce clean, low-cost electricity, but instead they created a device that did the exact opposite and shut off electricity! It even shut down Robo Sapien!

Oops! I don't want to question Ben's science expertise or anything, but if you are a professional scientist and you create something that does the opposite of what you were researching, maybe you should look into a career at McDonald's or something? I'd like to see his previous experiments, like that time he tried to find a cure for cancer but ended up giving his whole team cancer. That's Dr. Ben, Accidental Scientist.

Ben's colossal goofup wasn't a total disaster, though. Suspicious Department of Defense representative Mr. Flynn was interested in Ben's device as a weapon, and Ben's eyes turned into dollar signs because who cares if the U.S. uses this as a weapon? What are they going to do, turn off Russia's Tetris machines? No biggie. Peace-loving hippie liberal Rachel had a problem with this though, and she had some strong words for Ben. Sensing Rachel was the key to getting Ben's device, Mr. Flynn needed to find a way to win her over. If only she had some sort of complications with her pregnancy, because Mr. Flynn had good connections with the fetoscopic trials at Colombia. Oh what's this? Rachel WAS having problems with carrying Danny! Flynn offered his services, and I'm guessing she accepted because Danny is alive so he must have been born. Or maybe she didn't accept it and that's why Danny has really bad asthma? I don't know.

It's heavily implied that the government, or at least the Department of Defense, was involved in turning out the lights, so go ahead and add government conspiracy to the laundry list of things in Revolution. What's more, at the end of the episode we found out that Flynn was Randall, the man who captured Grace who is that woman we all forgot about from early in the series!

I'm hoping all future episodes of Revolution are like "The Children's Crusade," a combination of tangential missions of inconsequential importance and disjointed flashbacks sprinkling ideas about the blackout. But I'll also take episodes featuring Charlie in a slinky cocktail dress, too. Just as long as they all have one thing: Charlie getting punched in the face.



NOTES

– Monroe is probably the least intimidating villain on television. You can just tell the guy is way too nice to be making threats he'll follow up on. I kind of just want to hug him.

– Was there a reason Flynn had to be in the room with all the electronics when Ben showed him the demonstration? Wouldn't it have been just as believable if he was on the same side of the glass with Ben? That way, they wouldn't have had to look like idiots talking to each other on the phone. Oh well, what do I know?! I'm no science major.

– Aaron, trying to earn some nerd cred: "Awesome, like a pack of hairless Ewoks." Haha! Oh Aaron, I still don't like you.

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Show started a few weeks ago in the UK. The first thing I noticed was the LOST similarities: the plots, the actors, THE ACTORS!!! the episodes set up with all the bloody flashbacks!!!
Hollywood has many actors so... What's up with that!
Don't get me wrong it's addictive, it's not good but really addictive. Where do I start:
Why do people living in the wood looks so damn clean. Charlie, Miles, Nora...
The casting is so wrong, I want to marry Bas Monroe and have brainwashed babies with him. I'm that scared of him. All the LOST castaways. Charlie! She always looks like she about to laugh (and I want her dental plan) ...
The plot... Tim is right I don't expect much anymore. My least concern is the power or Danny. A good season would have for us to see how the US got divided and how a militia that should have been Miles became Bas. Pretty much the first 5 years or something "Godfather" style.

The LOST rip off can't even be called that! I believe these are from the same writers. The Intro and the cutaways are the same even the music. So... I'm calling this lazy work for another network: "
WRITERS: so this time it's not an island without power but the whole damn world!
ABC: you fool, it's too obvious! We're doing fairy takes now
NBC: we'll take it!
WRITERS: suckers!!!
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I stopped watching this show awhile ago, but may have to watch this episode just to see Charlie get the 'ol 1-2 in the kisser.
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Ha ha. Hilarious review. I couldn't make it through this whole episode until the next one showed up and made me want to power through.



"Was there a reason Flynn had to be in the room with all the electronics when Ben showed him the demonstration?"



Because Flynn sees his own cellphone shut off, showing it isn't simply rigged.
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I have a question: how is this crapfest so popular?
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It's an acquired taste. Many people start ambivalent or even disliking the show, but once they get hooked they seem unable to give it up, or so it seems.
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The show would be much better if the complex and nasty Captain/Major Tom Neville (Giancarlo Esposito) killed off Monroe ("the least intimidating villain on television").

That would add an edge to the show that is totally lacking currently.
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I found one comment in the article that nails a major problem with the show ---

"Monroe is probably the least intimidating villain on television"

A show can overcome some poor casting or poor character development but this show not only has a poor character in Charlie but also has a villain that belongs on the Disney channel. No fear.

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What will the orphans do without Peter Pan?
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The thing is with Revolution. They had to take another character to play the Mother of Charlie and her brother. Talking about Rachel.the captive one..The way she looks and keep secrects....well it feels like, the role she played in Lost. There she was the same...exactly the same...

I was thinking that now Charlie has a brand on her arm...teh big M, it should be easier to get close to the bad guys now, right?

I simply don't understand why everybody is dashing Revolution. Ok Charlie get's in trouble every week. Every week, she needs to be save, but in meantime, we keep learning more and more, of why there is no electricity.....( can you imagine, that something like that would actually happen? I can't and hope not)....+ Now we finally know who is Randal...i was wondering about it....!!

I have decided to go through with it and watch all episode they are planning to air...!!

Love Aaron. he can get so panicky when the pendant starts to work...hahahahaha...



The only thing i don't get, is the role of Nora? She got hit last week, now she is walking and fine again...but till now, i don't understand, why Miles really needed her...???

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Miles only wants her around so he can tap that when his niece isn't around. I say this before seeing last night's episode where they kissed.
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'Ties that Bind' - Best episode yet!! That. Is. All.
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What would make it even easier to read would be for 5 fanbois to take a short break, eat a meal, take a shower, change clothes, check to see what day it is, maybe even seek employment. Of the 473 comments to this point, 258 are the "contributions" of DinChild, mad-pac, GirishStewart, Isbloom, and JoshHorton.
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Have some time on your hands?
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Hey, how do you get the computer to calculate who posted more? Does it also tell which are the newest replies? Thanks.
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I used an XML parser to run through the HTML and pull out the tags that listed the username (for example, stanking) while dropping everything else. I could have written a routine to count those and sort them, but honestly, at that point it was easier to drop the result into Excel and sort there. Easy peasy, and since I wrote the routine to extract the names a long time ago for another page, there wasn't any new coding really. It would be possible to pull the newer replies as well by looking for text that says "X hours ago", but then you'd have to search for the matches in the original page. tv.com's IT guys could easily add the functionality if they were properly motivated.
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That's interesting, and thanks for the information. Unfortunately i'm better versed in human languages rather than computer language.

You know, you could offer your services to tv.com to make this forum much more accessible. For instance I bet you could add a functionality that would allow any participant to block any other commenter to appear on your screen, instead of attempting to limit other people's right of free expressing themselves at will.
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I haven't attempted to limit others' rights of expression; I've merely exercised my own. You and a few others have so overtaken this forum that it's become more of a chore for others to find and read opinions by the rest of those interested. You have the right to do this, but you're kinda ruining it for everyone else.
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Wow, you really hurt my feelings this time, stanking. I can't even think of a snappy retort. But don't worry, I'll keep posting since you love our contributions so much.

FYI, not that I owe you any explanation, I like boards where I can interact with people. Just like we're doing now. If anything, we're giving the Revolution board some heart. Chillax and try to have some fun for a change.
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That's a pretty one-sided analysis. DinChild is certainly NOT a fanboy. I think people should be able to converse as they please.
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Stanking, maybe you should take your own advice, perhaps? I mean what life do you have if you are wondering onto this ongoing discussion a week later? We all have lives thank you. So sue us if we like to discuss a TV show. When I'm not on here, I'm busy doing school work. I mean, considering the fact you went through and counted how many comments the 5 of us made within the 473 comments is kind of saying something about the life (or lack thereof) that you have. That is all.
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Just so you know, I didn't count the comments; I got the computer to do that for me and it took all of 2 minutes to set up and nothing to execute. And I didn't focus on you; I let the computer tell me the top 5.
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I'm totally impressed with you now. I could never figure out how to get my computer to do that.
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Still doesn't change the point that you seem to need to take your own advice. You still took time out of your day to do it. You should include yourself in the "need to get a life" aspect.
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You're funny, smorbie. We don't have the same TV tastes but I like you.
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I don't want dessert! And he started it! haha
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AHHH! Do you see?? Do you see the evil of this show?? It's turning us against one another. We must remember, the show is our enemy, not each other. Now kiss and make up or it's off to bed with no dessert for any of you.
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You're right. I'm a total fanboy. I'm such a fanboy, In all the fanboyishness, I've forgotten to change my underwear and jack off appropriately. This is all so embarrassing. Thank you, Stanking. Thank you for not wasting your time to say shit that's not completely useless.
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Thank you, but I already have a life. You need to ask yourself this instead of being condescending. Its been 7 days since the last episode. So, why do you think tv.com is so interested to highlight it the whole week? No other show gets the spotlight this long. Its not like we don't know it has kinks, but its steadily improving and the hate is misguided. Of course, we'll talk about the show we like/dislike with a passion. Why do you care?
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You kind of make my point. tv.com hasn't highlighted this all week; the 200+ comments you five have made have triggered a computer algorithm - doesn't mean the show is one of the most popular, but just that the code has performed correctly. And the reason I care is that it's difficult to find the opinions of the 100 other people among all the noise, and that some people may actually believe that you five are a large group of supporters due to the sheer weight of all your comments.
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No. Lets put this in perspective. Vampire Diaries gets 400+ comments every week. Its taken down after 3-4 days at the most. Do you get it?
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If you read our comments, you'll see that not all of the 5 are supporters of Revolution. We have mixed opinions.
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Gosh, finding new replies in this forum is a royal mess. Any new reply message gets lost in a sea of old messages. Until the Powers-That-Be maybe if anyone writes a new reply somewhere down there in the middle of this body of messages, they could post a new message saying "I just posted a reply to Mr./Ms Such-and-Such about this or that." Seems silly, but I can't think of a better way. This forum really doesn't work well.
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I agree. It's tough to find new replies.
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If you can't follow along, you're just not cool.
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My coolness definitely has limits.
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Ugh I never thought I'd say this to anyone, but will someone please get that girl some botox? For a "17-year old" she looks as if her forehead is rolling dough. Her poor eyebrows must be exhausted.
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According to Wikipedia she is around 25...

I do agree that at times she does look much older than a 17 year old.

The real problem is her (lack of) acting.
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There are plenty of people who have such a forehead. You want the Hollywood stereotypical beauty. People like you sicken me.
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Does Botox use pass as a beauty secret where you come from? I think this is terrible.
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Her younger brother is like 18. The character is in her early 20's. The show's got problems, but unlike Glee they are not trying to sell a 30 year old as a 17 year old.
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In the FTW this week Price actually started to like something about Beauty and the Beast. And I bet since it's gotten picked up, if he actually starts liking it, he'll start reviewing it (lots of ifs in that statement). It got me thinking--why don't we stop reviewing this until someone starts liking it enough to review? We can pick it back up later.

And don't say, the reviews are really popular, the are just hating rants that spew out into the comments. And goodness knows if there is one thing the Internet likes it's hate and complaining. The BatB got picked up article has 200 comments and we're not reviewing it.
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I agree. Because these "reviews" are not reviews anymore. They are bashing articles, opinion rants. If anything, they should be relabeled or categorized. I do think it's a good idea to stop reviewing until there can be a critical balance or somebody at the TV.com site enjoys the show enough to review it.
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Waaaaahhhhhhh!
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Oh look! A troll!
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Well, this is not anything like politics or sports, where there would be a real outcry if the Press covered it badly. TV is just a free-for-all zone. I guess TV reviews would be placed under the "art critic" tab, I suppose. Is there a code for art critics? I know Price and Tim often refer to themselves as members of the press, but are like real journalists, so subjected to the same rules of conduct? Or is it something else completely?
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I was looking for a review. This was... whatever. I do not think you comprehend what it is that real scientists do. Me and my mates like this show. Its like you watched a completely different show then the rest of us. Aim higher. Pay attention next time.
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tim your the best

i can't watch this show anymore on the account it's so bad

but i still want to know what's going on

so thankyou for keeping me informed
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When you mean you are, it is written you're.



I'm sorry.
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Wow Tim, this brought out a lot of hidden feelings from fans. I think you're gonna have to put up a poll to see who does and who doesn't want to punch Charlie in the face.
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I vote punch her, punch her hard. Make her face into a whack-a-mole machine and pay people to play.
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Whatever floats your boat... But you're a bit scary.
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I haven't been called scary since I was a toddler.
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Thanks for letting me know. i won't mess with you then...
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1.I hate watch this show so hard it is just sad. Like I don't know why I still watch this show. Maybe I just want to see it through to the end of the season. Maybe I like staring at Billy Burke. Maybe I like the background noise while I'm doing more important things. Maybe I just like to watch it so I can laugh at it's ridiculousness and rip it to shreds.

2. I feel like a horrible person for saying this, and I don't condone violence on anyone. But there was a very evil part of me that may have perked up when Charlie got socked in the face...twice. It was at war with the other side of me that was pissed that it happen the first time.

3. NEVERLAND.
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I don't know why you watch the show either. That's a mystery tome. But beware of one thing: there's much more of Charlie coming for you to hate.
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I think Billy Burke is cute too.
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2. You're not a horrible person. You just don't buy into Charlie's character enough, like a lot of people. It seems those who truly enjoy the show, and have bought into it, find offense here. Which is funny because, good or bad, it's still art. Both sides are right.
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Honestly I don't find offense, but then it's me. I just find it silly to reduce an entire episode to two blows.
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The show kinda did that to itself.
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No. That barely registered in my mind. There were plenty of other stuff to be excited about rather than those two blows.
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No, Tim did that. Whether you're looking for cool things to enjoy or things make fun of, there's much more to pay attention to in Revolution.
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Just saying though, as far as weapons go, this seems like a pretty humane one.
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Did the family members of this shows staff invade tv.com? I love Revolution but after a life time of tv. I can assure you it's horrible this is the worst tv show on tv and The Event was actually better than this show. I love watching this train wreck but you Revo nerds need to be honest and quit giving people a hard time.
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Are you from Tim's family? Who's giving who a hard time exactly?
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After a lifetime of movies and tv, even I can assure you that Revolution is quite good. Its flaws have been greatly exaggerated. The Event was the actual train wreck.
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The Event was definitely better than Revolution!
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And Surface too!
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Just for the record, i absolutely loved Surface. The good thing, i watched it before I read Internet reviews. It was a beautiful time when people didn't need critics to tell them what to think.
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OMG, a "The Event" fan! I thought those were as rare as unicorns!
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Tee hee.
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It's internet logic. It's impossible for somebody to have a differing opinion without it being a mass conspiracy.
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Hope that applies to both sides of the debate.
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Agree with Tim. Enjoyable but slap your forehead alot type show.

They have just taken over a Monroe "recruitment" ship with many guards. But go figure they come out of it with exactly ZERO new weapons cause the only guard with a modern weapons was pitched over the side into the river. DoH. And as I predicted, Aaron "misplaced" his revolver he had from last episode cause obviously hes against gun violence and would rather use a pipe or 2x4.

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Dear Tim,



You don't speak for all of us. Actually, you are a minority. And you seriously need to find a better job because you are absolutely horrible at reviewing shows. You think you were funny and witty with The Event last year. And since The Event got canceled, you wanted another show to poke fun of. While The Event deserved that treatment, Revolution does not. You aren't even trying to like it. You can sit there and say otherwise, but you are full of crap. A professional and good reviewer is well balanced. You aren't. You are highly negative. You dont' give this show enough credit. You spout your own opinion and you think everybody agrees with you when we don't.



This episode was great. You know, if you dont' like side-quests I hope you don't play video games. I hope you don't like real life. Because sometimes, when you are attempting to accomplish one thing, you end up doing more in the long run. Charlie and them are headed to Philadelphia to rescue Danny, yes. So what? You expect her to have a cold heart and just leave a bunch of kids to themselves? Remind me that if the apocalypse happens to NEVER join a group you are in. You would be the cruel man who would say, "Screw the kids." This "sidequest" allowed for character development. Perhaps if you payed attention long enough, you'd realize that Charlie is slowly detaching herself from the innocent, naive girl of the village and becoming a revolutionary warrior who has a moral compass. Maybe you should try adopting a moral compass? Just a suggestion.



The blackout explanation was very interesting and enjoyable. Just because a show doesn't pan out the exact way you want it to does not mean the plot isn't good. (And save your cynical sarcasm for somebody who cares). Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the reason why Flynn was behind the door when they took the power out was because maybe they could control the effects of the pendant within that room? No..you are too daft to realize that, I'm sure. You are too hellbent on ripping this show to pieces you won't even stop to think reasonably.



Look, I think you need fired from reviewing Revolution. You suck at it. I've scoured the internet for other professional reviewers and most of them are not like you. They actually find a nice balance with the show, instead of being insulting, arrogant, and unprofessional. Try it sometime. However, I doubt you are capable of that.



Most of the people on TV.com seem to enjoy Revolution and your harshness is uncalled for. Yeah, you may have some followers here and there who like it, but the majority seems to disagree with you. How about you adapt your perspective and expectations in a manner that allows you to treat those of us who enjoy the show with some respect?
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Wow. Super intense. (Totally agree with some of it too.)
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Dude, it is just a tv show. You are asking someone to get FIRED over a tv show. The solution is easy in my eyes: stop reading Tims stuff. I do not know why you are taking this so personally. Lighten up, would ya? And I do not necessarily agree with him either.
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I didn't say he should be all in all FIRED. Please reread what I said. I said he needs to be fired from writing reviews on Revolution. I'm not saying he should be entirely fired. I'm simply saying somebody else who is more professional and balanced should take over writing the reviews for Revolution. Please read more carefully.
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I am no stranger to your feeling. When I first started reading this website, I was heartbroken that Tim hated the shows I loved, Being Human and Falling Skies. But, he is writing an OPINION piece, and in his opinion, the show has become so bad that it is entertaining. Again, I don't agree with him. I think the show is so bad, it's probably harmful to watch it. But a lot of people agree with you; quite a few of them are chiming in on this thread. Remember, the show has been renewed for the whole season. So rest easy, chum, your show is safe for the year, and nothing Tim can say can change that.
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That's not true. Tim liked Being Human. He praised every other episode like anything - especially the ones which had the always lovable Nora and I happen to agree with him . Not until the final few episodes did he start bashing it.

Granted, he hated Falling Skies, but he also had a special fondness for its silliness and monstrous logical fallacies enough to make light-hearted jokes and sometimes even provided insight on how the show could develop in the future, like a real reviewer should.
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I agree; that's why I like him. And he always pointed out the silliness I was willing to overlook. He's enjoyable even when I disagree with him.



My point was the he is writing about his opinion; these are all opinion pieces. I don't think it's worth getting upset over.



And for the record, I think the only show I agree with Tim's articles on, is AHS, and that's probably only because Price reviews them, not Tim. lol
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Lol. That was funny. I agree. I have stopped looking at his reviews as critiques and started viewing them as fanboy and hater articles.
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I agree with you. Tim is writing about his opinion. Not about the TV show. He forms an opinion even before watching and then sprinkles it with bits and pieces of the show itself.
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I know that. I just wish TV.com had more balanced reviewers. I'm scoping out other TV sites now. Between Tim and Lily, I think I'm near done with this unprofessional site. I do like Price though. He's at least fair when he reviews shows.
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Josh I think you are missing the point. For me when I read the reviews by Tim, Lily, etc it's a chance to see the episode from a new perspective. What they right almost always gives me a laugh (which I think is the goal they are seeking.) If you are looking fora nuetral description of what happened perhaps another site would suit you better because TV.com reviewers come at their writing with an angle.
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The point of a review is to systematically review an episode. It's not so hate the show so violently that you can't even offer a good critique of the show. Tim is all about bashing. There's a fine line. The fact that he can't do this goes to imply he's not very professional. If these pieces are opinion rants instead of reviews, then they should not call these articles "reviews".
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They're different people with different approaches. How vanilla would it be if we all appeased the majority?

I can't remember what site it was, maybe someone else can recall, but a link was offered down the comment tree to a happy tree-hugging tv show review site. At least, that's what it felt like reading their review of Revolution. Then again, that's my opinion. I'm pretty sure, as far as Revolution is concerned, you may enjoy yourself more over there.
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You're right....except for the tree-hugging part. Go hug a tree!
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I don't like the term "tree-hugging." It sounds childish, naive and a bit ridiculous. Normally people refer to tree huggers when they are criticizing someone else.

I think people who don't like Tim's reviews stay for the same reason Revolution haters watch Revolution: inertia, a vague hope it'll get better, because they can't look away from a train wreck... So, yes, Revolution haters saying Tim haters (and I'm using those terms VERY loosely) can stop reading Tim's reviews is the pot calling the kettle black.
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Tree hugging, in the way that I used it (let's try to remember context is more important that the words used) was not derisive and was meant to paint a picture of the love-dovey, everything's fair world that Josh, and a lot of people are asking for. You're correct, Mad, Tim writes opinion pieces. It's his style. Seth wrote recaps (regarding Spartacus), and people on this site hated it. No one's stopping people from looking elsewhere.
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The EW review was more about facts, and less about interpretation. This is why it's called a TV recap. Tim's piece is more about his opinion, with little regard to facts. And tree-hugging is a derisive term.
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I love vanilla. Tree-hugging? Hey, don't tell me you hate ecologically aware people as well... What will be of DinChild's children then?
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I'm not looking for "tree hugging". I'm looking for professional reviewers. The show isn't perfect but it certainly doesn't warrant the hateful spite that Tim writes into his reviews. That's not professional, it's not fair, and it's one-sided. I found a review site that seems to be logically fair. They talk about the bad things the episode did and what can be improved. Then they talked about the positive things and what the show is doing well. www.tvfanatic.com That seems to be where the fair and professional reviewers are, at least as far as I can tell.
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Lets be realistic. I'm saner than you. Lol.
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You're an insane person.
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LMAO! The pot calling the kettle black. Unconditional hating and hugging is the place you're presently in. Sing kumbayah and be naive. I never said this was the greatest show ever. I'm telling you its actually better than what you're making it out to be. And I only defended against the facts which have clouded many people's judgement, as I have told you before. Stop whining.
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Where are you getting your information from?!?!? Hahaha.

I haven't said anything about tree-hugging being shameful. But there seems to be a lot of demand for unconditional love/balance/equality for all/"tree-hugging behavior." I get the cliche image of everyone sitting around a campfire singing Kumbayah. That's all relaxed and groovy, and if it's your thing, go for it (i.e. the link I can't remember.) But don't expect it to be the soup de jour everywhere, then complain because tv.com isn't accommodating. It comes off as whiney.
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Why are you still here? How do you know he represents the minority. I think YOU represent the minority, and my opinion is just as valid.
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I'm still here because I have a right to be. You don't like it? Tough luck, buddy! I'm here because I enjoy the show and I'm fed up with Tim's unprofessionalism. And you want to say I represent the minority? You crack me up! Revolution is averaging a 3.0 demographic and is NBC's top show. I highly doubt in in the minority here. Your suggestion is simply not valid. Nice try, though!
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So I'm the first to say it? To point out the hypocrisy here? Very well...

Tim reviews the way he wants to. You don't like it? Tough luck, buddy! Your entire Tim-Hate letter and the suggestions therein are wholly invalid. Nice try, though!
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I haven't watched it yet. I've heard it's good. I'll probably watch it tonight. For now, I'm avoiding the other review Tim's probably posted by now...well...it may be best if I avoid it all together haha.
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Maybe. I just watched the new episode, after saying my subsequent comments will try to reflect more of the positive aspects...and to be honest, I may need to watch the new episode again.
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I think the problem is that Tim is trying to hold Revolution to the standards of those other shows he reviews, when in all reality Revolution can't be held in that candlelight. Tim's expectations are so high, thus his hate is so strong. He needs to be more fair. That's what I'm getting at.
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@Josh

You're basing this "Tim isn't open minded" nonsense on him reviewing Revolution, aren't you? The dude reviews Homeland, Breaking Bad, Fringe, Game of Thrones, The Borgias (I think), and even reality TV. He has an open mind...what he doesn't have, is a complementing opinion to yours. Argue all you like, this is a major issue for you.

@Mad

Revolution board is fun! Girish makes me want to kick a baby, though. Besides that, it's fun!
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Thanks for the clarification, DinChild. I'm honestly questioning the nature of reviewing, recapping, reporting, etc, because this area interests me for several reasons.

As for the "pool of crazy" I think in the beginning we all felt a bit miffed with such strong opposing views, but in time some of us will mellow and get somewhat closer to a common denominator.

And certainly you've got to admit the Revolution board is the most fun one in tv.com.

Just as a final note, once again I want to make it clear I'm not a blind fan of Revolution, though I am a blind fan of capuchin monkeys and Tracy Spiridakos (not all in the same room, of course), and I'm not afraid to admit it.
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Actually, yes, false. Reviews may hold opinions and bias, but Tim isn't even reviewing an episode. He is full-out bashing it. I mean based on the review, since it's who he is, Tim sounds like mean spirited, horrible person (for lack of a better word that I'm sure I'd be in trouble for using here). My beef is that Tim is not holding himself professionally. He isn't writing a balanced critique of the show. He's just hating. He doesn't want the show to be good, so he sees it through negative eyes every time. He's not a fair viewer. He is FAR from open-minded (his claims are obviously lies). Somebody who actually realizes and recognizes this show is not as bad as Tim makes it out to be, should review Revolution. The show is not perfect, but it is not terrible. However, Tim would never admit that much.



And trust me. I'm looking elsewhere. It's sad that I'm going to switch to another TV site that actually offers more professional critiques. I like TV.com, but lately, its credibility and professional qualities are weakening.
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Not false. Just because something says "review" doesn't mean it's the same thing as a review done by internationally renowned names. At this point, you're only beef seems to be with the word "review" at the top. As if they changed it, your response wouldn't be so passionate. Even reviews themselves hold opinions and bias. Tim lends his flavor toward the latter because that's who he is. It's been said before, if you don't like it, don't read it.

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Hey buddy! You're like a gold fleck in a pool of crazy.

It's my belief that TV.com supports a free-form structure. Anything goes, because at the end of the day, we're not reviewing state and federal legislature here. This is television, and as with the world outside our door, it takes all kinds...but you now this. The difference between the two, in my opinion, may be as simple as reputation/accolades/portfolio. Even Roger Ebert has had his bashing parties, but he disguises it (like many other respected reviewers) in high-brow, condescending vernacular. It's all the same thing, one just sounds less vitriolic. And so I repeat, it's nice to see the scathing side of reviews, too.
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@DinChild - Now you got me curious. How would you say Ebert and Tim differ. I just wondered about TV reviewers in another comment. I think the problem many people have with Tim's reviews is exactly because his function is not exactly clear. is he a journalist? A reviewer? A critic? What rules are there supposedly?
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False. What is this article we are commenting? A review! If this is an "opinion" piece, then it should not be a hate-filled review. It should be something else. But when you review something you are to systematically review it. Talk about the good and the bad. Tim's just hateful, spiteful, and bashing. He won't be a fair, balanced reviewer. Thus, he is unprofessional.



If it's an opinion piece, it needs to not be a review, but something else. What time is doing is hardly a review. False advertising.
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Roger Ebert is a professional reviewer. Tim is an opinion writer on TV.com. Difference.
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Okay, let's settle this. Tom, if you read this, let us have a poll next week to establish who the minority truly is. People who think it is good vs people who think it is bad. Incidentally, this is a completely independent question of "do you watch it". I watch it, but it IS NOT GOOD. Stop claiming the ratings make it good, that is just stupid. That's like saying traffic must not be all that bad in New York or people wouldn't live there.
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I had never really realized the "i" was so close to the "o".
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I missed the "i". It is next to the "o". I should probably proofread.
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Actually the show IS GOOD. It's not the best thing on TV. But just because of some bumps in the road, it doesn't make a show bad. It's a good show. Tim's just a fool.
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There should also be a category for those who no longer watch the show but continue to read Tim's reviews for entertainment purposes. This episode is my last. I'm out. But I'm going to keep reading. The reviews are hilarious and these threads are so entertaining.
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Who's Tom? I think when JoshHorton refers to a minority, he means minority considering all viewers, not just the one's that leave comments on tv.com. Obviously the majority of comments here is negative. But if, say, 5 million choose to watch a show and, say, 50 leave comments, it's not hard to see where the minority is.
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He is a reviewer. I doubt he thinks everyone agrees with him. You welcome to disagree or agree but to say this show is good is funny. Who didnt expect Charlie to need Miles help? That the brother would screw up the unbelieveable but successful escape of Miles gang and the older brother by getting caught. They take Charlie to the "recruitment" ship even though we have yet to see a single female soldier but hey we need someone to get on the ship.

What blackout explanation?? We found out that the DoD guy was interested in the technology. Thats it. Thats not a new explanation, thats called new facts. It just explains that the DoD funded the project and the DoD contact is involved in some way.

And finally he starts by saying, hey if you turn off your critical thinking and just watch the show there are elements that are enjoyable.
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Correction: he is an unprofessional reviewer. He refuses to give the show a chance. He says he goes in with an open mind, but that is hardly true.



I don't mind the characters and plot of Revolution. A main heroine is going to be flawed. It'd be pretty hard to accept her not needing help aboard a militia ship. I don't mind she needs rescued. It's a learning process for Charlie.



You can call it facts or explanation. Point is, the writers gave us some intel that helps to explain the blackout some.



That's not enough. Tim needs to be more balanced. But that's beyond his capabilities.
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Just because he gets paid for something does not make him a professional.
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Just to correctly define the word, "professional" does not mean to hold to standards that you assume we all agree on. "professional" means that someone gets paid for what they do, as opposed to "amateur". Tim is a professional reviewer; his paycheck says so.
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I agree with you.
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I actually agree with Tim on it being terrible...
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I don't think you know the difference between a flawed character and a poorly written character. You should look that up on the Internet, because I find trying to explain things to you exhausting.
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I think Charlie is exciting. I'll miss my weekly fix of Charlie once the show gets in its recess.
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Sure, Charlie's complicated. Like American cheese is complicated. On the one hand, you could have a cheese burger. On the other, you could have a grilled cheese sandwich...hmm...
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The feeling is mutual. I don't find Charlie poorly written. She's very complicated. The show isn't perfect, but it's not as bad as people say.
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Sorry to Disagree, The show is not Dumb and its The best show on NBC. My family and I love it. Way to go JJ Abrahams & ERIC KRIPKE
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I'd say Revolution is one of the best new shows of this season even with its flaws.
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"Best show on NBC." I suppose if you remove Community and NFL Football from the listings, you may be right. All the other NBC shows are equally terrible.
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I agree Community is the best. But come on your football isn't even a real sport... (har, har, har).
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Oh Tim, your reviews are the only reason for me to watch this dumb show at all. I know that I should suffer through an hour of a v. bad TV just to laugh mao for the whole 10 min. It is worth it! But the show is total crap...
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DISAGREE, THE SHOW IS GREAT!!
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DISAGREE, THE SHOW IS HILARIOUSLY BAD!!
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DISAGREE WITH SHOX. Now, come on, someone come and disagree with me, please!
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DISAGREE. CAPUCHIN!
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I disagree just to disagree.
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I don't think you understand science very well. But you should know that most scientific discovery is accidental. Penicillin was discovered accidently. So was the structure of DNA. A brilliant person can figure out the potential and meaning of what they see. Its never tidy like oh us professional scientists( thats a very funny term by the way! ) decided to find the cure for aids and here it is! It just doesn't work that way. People research a problem for years and get nowhere. You can spend all the money you want on research you will still get nowhere. Accidents are what gets results. Read a little before you start assuming you know how stuff works.
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Based on what I just read, to understand science very well, it's important to know that mistakes progress science more often than calculated predictions based on observed truths. Okie dokie.

I'll just stick with what I think Tim is saying, which is, when you're searching for perpetual energy, creating the complete opposite (and by that, I mean, creating something that negates the laws of physics) is too ridiculous a concept to begin with. Tack on to that the idea of the 12 pendants, which is just a silly fetch-quest ploy to lengthen a story, which seemed to have sucked in...electricity? Energy? Who knows. All I know is, I think I'm only watching 'cause I can't wait to see what they come up with. It'll be gold. Finally, my favorite bit...

"You can spend all the money you want on research you will still get nowhere. Accidents are what gets results."

No.
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Want an invention that negates the laws of physics? Well, Zefram Cochrane invented the warp drive and inadvertently came up with a way to time travel. Both inventions, by the way, couldn't care less about the laws of physics, at least the ones we are aware of right now. That's why it's science fiction!
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Indeed. But that's not the comparison being thrown around. 'Cause apparently Tim "doesn't understand science very well."
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Oh you know, it's the long game. They gotta draw it out, 'cause I honestly believe they're hoping the mystery of the pendants can persevere. But it's true, if I were in ANY of those character's shoes, including when Miles found out, I'd have just a few more questions myself. It might be one big pill to swallow when electricity is miraculously erased from the universe, but to find out it was just stored in a neat little pendant you can hang from your neck? That's when the punching should begin.
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I also think Rachel's explanation to Monroe was poor. When she said "there are 12 pendants" and stopped there, she was actually moving the story forward a little. Actually, I don't blame her for giving Monroe as little information as she could.

What I don't get is why Monroe didn't grab a chair and said, "Wait a minute. What's the deal with these 12 pendants exactly? Now i'm going to sit here and I'm only gonna leave after you've told me everything, just EVERYTHING you know. Come on, talk!"

But then maybe that's all she really knows. But he should have insisted on learning much more.
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Agreed. But it would be nice if the answer wasn't, "now we have 12 pendants."
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I'm not sure how much Tim knows about science. But as far as science-fiction science is concerned, experiments are ALWAYS going awry. Nobody wants an experiment that goes just all right. This is fiction 101.
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Like Fahlberg discovering saccharine in coal tar, John Pemberton inventing coke trying to come up with a cure for headache, Roy Plunkett inventing teflon when he was trying to find a refrigerant, William Perkin inventing synthetic dye instead of finding a cure for malaria, Becquerel discovering radioactivity or Greatbatch inventing the pacemaker or the many other accidental inventions/discoveries by 'professionals' that are littered throughout history? In quite a number of cases, the results were entirely different from what they were trying to achieve. Go do your homework and come back when you catch up.

If you don't believe in the fictional world the show is set in (which they are doing a damn fine job of organically showcasing) and think its tacked on, then its no use in you watching it no matter what excuse you come up with.
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Yes. You could write several books on the subject of accidental discovery. That's still neither here nor there...I'll disregard the condescension in favor of not being redundant...then again, that is how it feels talking to you in general. I'll say it one more time; none of those examples you submit negate the laws of physics. As it is with biology, trial and error, and evolution, happy (and not-so-happy) accidents can spawn. But they all must abide a specific set of rules. Sure, you can suspend your belief for the story. I'm all for that! But then again...

They aren't doing a damn fine job of organically developing their fictional world. You toss around words and accolades like Raid in a roach motel. Game of Thrones, Fringe, Awake all do/did a damn fine job. Revolution throws it out there hoping to be taken seriously.

I don't know what to make of the black holes and dark matter comment.
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Because you're a big, bad, insaney-man. It is convenient. Trust me. I'd rather disregard responding to the utter nonsense of your last comment than drag this on any longer. You won't listen. You won't follow. And you won't get it. And before you say anything, yes, I've been listening, following and getting it. I'd be silly not to, because of your frighteningly virile visage. You manly man of manliness you.
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How convenient. Just like everything else you 'argue' about. Lol. For your own sake, you better hope you don't take a swing at me if we ever meet in real life.
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It's funny. I did have a reply to all the crazy you just spurted (not before noticing you deleted your previous crazy non-sequitur), and I kept it posted for a while, but then I got to thinking about that old chestnut that starts, "who's more foolish?" Indeed. I'll just use a more general, over-arching, sweeping statement that best sums up the response I had ready:

I would like very much to punch you.
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Let me rephrase that for you then:



You speak of the laws of physics as if they are infallible and set in stone in every part of the universe. According to you, the fundamental rules of the vast, undiscovered universe have all been unraveled by humans, which is quite foolish to believe in.



You now say that 'we both don't know what the characters did or didn't do', while basically stating earlier that Ben was a failure simply because his experiment didn't pan as he had planned and he discovered it accidentally. Its wasn't a complete accident. He would have worked on the part of the experiment that was showing intriguing results and through trial and error he'd have created this thing. He'd also have meticulously tried to control what he has created. You know why? Because he's a scientist and you know, they do that sometimes.



So, now you are simply arguing because you don't want to accept this plausibility. Your username clearly shows your thinking capacity. So, its understandable why you'd not believe it and stick to your childish version as though it were a fact. But I have to say, this is fiction. Get over it. I don't believe in Stargate's FTL. Its never possible in the realm of reality, but i accept it because its silly to harp on such an issue. Its inherently even more illogical than this show's reasoning which is quite simple. Think about EMP's. Do you think no one is trying to come up with a superior and efficient version? This could be the superior version of an EMP device.
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I'm ending my side of this particular thread. Whatever you just tried to say by posting that is so beyond recognition. I'm actually agape.
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I love how you form an opinion and suddenly believe you're stance is infallible. It speaks of immaturity and self-congratulatory hullabaloo, but I'll bite for now.

I can't speak for the "what ifs" of the show any more than you can; i.e. what characters did or didn't do. Not only does this not support any claim of mine, but it certainly doesn't support any claim of yours.

What I do know, however, is that there are fundamental rules that the universe must follow in order to exist. Where quarks, dark/antimatter, black holes, universal expansion/infinity/energy is concerned, questions certainly remain, but I don't put much stock in defying the laws to find the answers. Disclaimer: I don't pretend to be a "professional" scientist, quantum physicist, or string theorist; but the fundamentals I do understand I can speak on. Having said that...

I didn't say "that's still neither here nor there" because I thought it was probable. I said it because you were presenting examples of accidental discovery in the realm of possibility. But that's not what the Revolution story adopted. Obviously, it's a sci-fi show, so it's allowed to do what it wants, thus I used the second paragraph to address the "organic development" of the fictional world.

You're exhausting.
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'trial and error, and evolution, happy (and not-so-happy) accidents can spawn. But they all must abide a specific set of rules.'

Do you think that Ben didn't conduct trial and error experiments after he found that his research wasn't heading in the direction he wanted? Do you believe that an 'uncharted field' such as one trying to come up with ways for perpetual energy and something which places energy in a stasis stage is not connected or that it won't lead to consequences that one wouldn't expect? Or do you somehow know every secret that exists in the universe and believe that humans have completely analyzed everything scientifically to say that 'it doesn't follow the rules of science'? Do you think he called the DoD guy just when he discovered it yesterday and invited him for tea today without making sure that it could be contained in a safe environment? You need to mull it over before jumping up and down like a Tim fanboy and defending everything naively.

'That's still neither here nor there.'

Which means you know its probable, but are not willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. You're such a hypocrite. Its amazing that you don't see it.

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For instance I've heard of a scientist who was researching a new kind of glue, made a mistake in the formula... and invented the "Post It."
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It is far enough from the intended objective to be a failure. The guy wanted an adhesive and came up with something that didn't adhered.



In a sci-fi context, I have no problems imagining a side-effect of a discovery being the opposite of what is intended. In "I am Legend" they wanted a cure for all forms of cancer and ended killing almost everybody. In fact this is such a common device in sci-fi that i'm surprised people are taking issue.
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uhh at least it's still a type of adhesive, which is on the same line of discovery, not SOMETHING COMPLETELY OPPOSITE of it.



This show's idea is akin to "researching a new kind of glue" and creating some kind of solvent that removes all glue everywhere. Science doesn't work like that.
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Someone looked at a horse and said, "post its!"
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Hmmm. I'm not sure how that relates to anything I said.
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Right, right. Horse glue, OK.
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Glue came from horses.
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Mr. Flynn was probably behind the glass on his cell phone so show that it affected all electrical devices. I mean think about it a Scientist (at least a good one which maybe Dr. Ben isn't a good one) could rig the electronics in a room to go off. But it's more impressive if they have a device that disrupts cell phones too. Pretty neat.
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I agree with Tim's analysis and low expectations and suggest they do this simple thing to fix the show. While Charlie is doing what she does best, getting on not only the nerves of everyone else in the series but also mine and yours, they could keep rotating the selection of Miles' old girlfriends. I think the first one is exciting, beautiful and smart. Keep 'em coming!
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That's exactly the mistake Tim and you are making, to think you can speak for everybody. Charlie is not getting on everybody's nerves. Personally I find her much more interesting than Nora and even Rachel, who don't show much emotion facing this extreme situation. I love Charlie's emotiveness.
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I just watched the last two episodes and really enjoyed them. The main thing these reviews are missing is the essence of the show and the utter non-engagement in involving the crux of the story to discuss with any kind of rationality. Its really a chore to sit through the reviews, if one can even call them as such. This is an adventure ride with dollops of moroseness and a little bit of humor thrown in along with great action scenes and subtle development with these three-dimensional characters, with the exception being Charlotte who's at a 4-D development rate and managed to not be annoying. She's just trying to emulate her uncle's bravado and distance herself from her past to grow stronger.

Revolution is a good show. Not yet great, but definitely revealing its potency little by little with each passing episode, teasing us with genuine brilliance which at times is brought down by sub par writing. Honestly, this episode had me on the edge of my seat with excitement by the halfway mark and it delivered satisfyingly. All the nitpicking aside, I'll give one thing to Revolution though. Of all the new dramas that premiered this season, its the best, even beating Arrow, Nashville and Last Resort by a mile. That's a praise I haven't given to any show with a sci-fi angle since Fringe.
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I normally don't read reviews of a show I quit, but my eyes ran across the words "Revolution" and "Punch Charlie" and the next thing I knew... *CLICK*

Well played, sir, and let me know if it happens again.
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Hahaha I stopped watching this show after the pilot because Charlie was the most unlikeable lead but when I see Tim's reviews I have to read them because they're freaking hilarious. The gifs of Charlie getting punched just made my day!
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Two things I have to agree with you, though. Zoe Deschannel is pretty and adorable (even thought Jess is annoying). And I love chocolate.
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I think it's all a matter of us being able to connect with some characters and reject others. While you say Charlie is the most unlikeable lead, I say I simply love her and I totally despise Jess and all the gang of New Girl, which I stopped watching after one episode. Go figure. There's no accounting for personal taste.
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I half-agree with you here, as I despise both Charlie and Jess.

Zooey is pretty cute, but every last character I have ever seen her play is pretty much Jess, and that's a sad, typecasted shame.

But Charlie is worse than Jess. Jess can at least be ignored by the others sometimes when she gets too stupid.
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Nah, I got it. That's why I only half-agreed. You hate Jess, but love Charlie, and I hate them both.

I'd say there was hope for you (and I'd hope for that hope), but if Charlie hasn't turned you by now, I really don't think it's gonna happen.
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Oh, no. I'm absolutely in love with Charlie. Not so much with the show, and i would be watching it with somewhat less enthusiasm if she were not in it. But she is mesmerizing.
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Operation punch charlie in her pretty face lol. That was definitely one of the funniest reviews on this website i've read so far.
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Even when I disagree with him, Tim is always good for laughs.
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...but charlie is really hot. Oh yes and I agree with some of the commenters that think that the reviewer is only bitching about the show. He really never gave the show a chance.
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Maybe that's because the show was terrible from the start....
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Yes, not so good in the second and third episodes. But it turned on its heels and improved every episode thereafter.
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This episode was a turning point for me, or better stated, the straw that broke the camels back.



I found myself doing FFWD whenever it got annoying (Charlie was onscreen) until somewhere around the middle I quit. Stopped watching, deleted it and deleted the recording entry from my PVR.



If someone ever assembles all the Pre-blackout flashbacks into a continuous Video, I would watch that, but Post blackout I really don't care what happens to any of them and that Charlie character is obnoxiously annoying and she has one basic expression on her face which is stunned/confused, her acting range consists of adding a bit of weepy to her perma-stunned face.
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+100XP for Tim and is hilarious reviews of this train wreck of a show. I couldn't agree with him more. Those GIF's of Charlie getting punched in the face never get old either.
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Really/ He enjoys watching a girl get beaten and thats supposed to make us think well of him? I have never even watched the show. i just checked this out, and all i know right now is that Tim is an idiot who doesn't understand what scientists do, and seems to have a sadistic streak. he also seems to be jealous, like maybe he is a failed writer.

The one thing I don't know is anything about the show being good or bad. I just know this review is bad. And not funny unless you happen to hate the show.
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Oh Lolli...You're becoming more fun than Girish...

"I have never even watched the show."

Fantastic start!

"Really/ He enjoys watching a girl get beaten and thats supposed to make us think well of him?"

Tim is speaking to (or at least thinks he's speaking to) mature adults who can read an opinion without finding a personal offense. He's assuming said adults can discern context and suspend personal provocations when necessary. Does Tim actually enjoy watching a girl get beaten? I highly doubt it. Does he enjoy watching Charlie get beaten? Yes. What's the difference? Women are people and Charlie is a stupidly written character.

"i just checked this out, and all i know right now is that Tim is an idiot who doesn't understand what scientists do."

That's correct. According to you, scientists are people who rely on accidents for scientific progress and ascribing the term "professional" to these mostly highly respected members of society makes you giggle.

"he also seems to be jealous, like maybe he is a failed writer."

This tickled me. You're talking about the same guy who reviews Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, Mad Men, The Walking Dead (regarding season 3 ONLY) and...hell, I'll give it to Fringe also. You honestly believe Tim's jealous of Revolution's writers?

"The one thing I don't know is anything about the show being good or bad."

I'm pretty sure Tim's spent the better part of seven reviews saying it's bad.
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That's the thing, DinChild, Revolution fans are fun people! This is why you love talking to us so much!
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'Tim is speaking to (or at least thinks he's speaking to) mature adults'

This is so hilarious and untrue. LOL.

'Does Tim actually enjoy watching a girl get beaten? I highly doubt it'.

I have no doubts that he indeed does.
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*sigh*
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Its obvious you're wrong on many levels.
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Except I'm not daft, and agree with him on most points.

Take Tim out of the equation, I'd still have these opinions because the show wouldn't change.
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'You're absolutely right. I can't take your incessant, tenacious, ludicrous defending.'

This is better suited if you turn it inwards to yourself and stopped being a fanboy for a moment.

If I were you, I'd care more about Tim thinking that all his readers are daft and he could get away with stupendous blunders.
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You're absolutely right. I can't take your incessant, tenacious, ludicrous defending. It's draining.

But let's be honest, I never said you're an idiot for liking it, and neither has Tim. The way all of this plays, from you to Lolli to isbloom, is that Tim is personally attacking each of you, berating you for your interests. I've said it before, this response requires soft skin. I respect your stalwart defense, but this is all getting a little too personal over so small a thing.

I honestly can't wait 'til the next review to wipe yet another slate clean.
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I know you don't like it. Fine. Just stop acting like you've objective control over subjectivity. If you can't take the harsh truth that I have only defended the show over Tim's failure of being an honest reviewer, then its your problem. Not mine. I have defended when he gets the facts, the subtle clues, the big character beats and many other stuff wrong and ridicules the show based on them.

That last sentence may have been spoken out of anger towards his Revolution reviews.
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It isn't hilarious and it is true. Welcome to the world. If you can't take the criticisms and critiques (however against your approval they may be) then you might as well give up. Tim makes no apologies for his opinions and publishes them for all the world to see, crass humor and all. He absolutely writes for adults.

"I have no doubts that he indeed does [enjoy watching a girl get beaten]."

After every opinion I've read from you, something this insane no longer surprises me.
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Oh please stop, if you'd actually seen the show your rant you might understand how comical of a farce it is. You're probably one of those people that think Tom & Jerry promotes violence against cats.
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I agree with LPF as well.
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I've seen the show and I happen to agree with Lollipopfop.
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I find that things blatantly silly remove me from the story and drama. It actually is a lot to ask to look past some of these things. Whether you want to call it hate-watching or just curiosity, I watch because sometimes it's difficult to sleep at night.

I was thinking, for the next review (should there be one,) I'll only comment on what Revolution did better and side with the insane-o's for a week.
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The militia men are sadistic and out of control. This is a sign of the decay of the Monroe Republic. Yes, Charlie's plan was silly. But I don't get myself stuck in details. Either i enjoy a show as an overall thing (and continue viewing) or decide I don't like the whole thing and give up. Simple as that.
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I agree with almost everything you said, except knowing what's going on in Tim's head. Who knows why he didn't talk about the branding? It's useless to comment on. But you're right, obviously none of us are discussing the back-handed hit...but the silliness of a plan that not only sets up a punch, but that Miles knew it would happen, is comedic to me. It's as if the militia man couldn't just take her custody even forcibly...the over-the-top punch had to happen.
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First of all, DinChild, capuchin monkeys will always win anybody over. That's a fact.

Second, let me clarify what I think about this deal of violence and women. I really enjoyed Price's statement in the last "Totally Tubular" in which he said we should have double standards as far as violence against men and women is concerned. Indeed, violence is always ugly, but against women is, or should be more shocking.

That being said, is Charlie being punched in her pretty face in this episode shocking? Is Tim sadistic because of that? Not at all. Charlie had a plan and was willing to go through that. She knew what she was doing, or at least thought so. It was just part of the adventure, of an adventure show. No big deal there.

But I did find Drexel's smack on her face shocking, because it suggested how a pimp treats his working girls, and that's too close to reality for comfort. Or reminded me of a drunk husband beating his wife. it left a mark on her, she wasn't expected, and she felt humiliated. I wouldn't joke about that scene.

However, what really shocked me was Charlie being branded. (In fact I would want the writers to tone down this kind of violence.)

And even Tim must've felt shocked, because he wanted to mock the show (that's the only way he knows to be funny) so he simply chose to ignore the most shocking scene of the episode, in an act of selective blindness or amnesia. But then, again, Tim reviews the episode that is on his head, not what we may watch.
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You just lost a point. But I'm still loving the capuchin...so you get that point back.
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If you are a casting director looking for kids to be in your post-apocalyptic, food-scarce world, what cast a fat kid? It is bad enough that we have an obese adult character who just walked across half the country and somehow did not manage to loose a pound. How in the world are we supposed to believe that a 9 year-old a) found enough food to get fat and b) didn't run around enough to burn it all off?
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Sorry to replying to my own post, but I figured out the food source for obesity in the revolution world - Twinkies! Supposedly they never get stale. Maybe Ho-Ho's and those little cupcakes would last as well. :)
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I had the same problem with Hugo on Lost, I understand that they are real actors but Come ON can I get some method acting when you are playing a character in a world without electricity and have to walk all the time. Loose a couple of pounds for gods sake.
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Another improving episode and I really liked it! The allusions to peter pan were blatant but realistically this situation could be expected to occur.



I'm liking the character development and the plot is slowly progressing in an entertaining manner!
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I would actually love this show, despite all of it's inaccuracies, if Charlie wasn't in it. She's incredibly annoying with her in-your-face attitude. At least Mark Pellegrino and Bully Burke make this show salvageable. I seriously expected more from Kripke though.
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I really wish TV.com would get people that actually enjoy the shows to review the shows. Pretty much, this place has become is "Let's bitch and complain about everything on tv!"



People like this show. And yes, while it's not perfect, it's entertaining and watchable. So, why not have someone review it that likes it, and can point out where things need to be changed or updated, and not make it an all-out bitchfest about the show itself.



Or, even better! You don't like the show, or every other show on tv? Write your own, and let's see how good YOU do! Obviously, you all over at TV.com are the smartest people in the world when it comes to tv, so why not? Get on it, and come up with the next great thing! I'm sure you can do it!
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Probably not a good idea to have "people that actually enjoy the shows to review the shows" because it just turns into a giant circle jerk. Like what you're doing.
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Gimme 5 million dollars and I will.
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You have it backwards. You will get the millions of dollars, AFTER you writer a great show that has ten million viewers.

People don't pay you for what you will do in the future in the real world.
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You don't need 5 million dollars just to write a story. Lol. Write one and pitch it to any willing producer.
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Ha, ha. DinChild thinks he is J.J. Abrahams.
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I liked the way the phasers sounded when they hit metal, tho :(
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My problem with Abrams is basically, why did he have to change the phasers? I can't accept that!
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Hold on. I actually like JJ Abrams' movies. He has direct control and command over those projects, I wish it would be the same for the TV shows he pitches, but alas, he's like a brand name in the TV world. That being said, I accept Lost as a great show for the first season, after which, it's like Prison Break and a jumping shark.
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Well, JJChild, after you create a "revolutionary" show like Lost and direct/reboot Star Trek, you too can also start pitching your own show ideas no matter how vague they are.
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All I said to my people was: "let's have a show where people crash on an island and die, and somehow shove a ton of fluff in between," "blah blah undercovers, blah" "inmates from an iconic prison come back" "Hey! let's have a show where the power goes out." Then I waved my hands at them all wizardly-like. I had no idea they were gonna do everything I would have never done...so yes. I'm running out of walls in my mansion.
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@JJChild: You never liked your own show since the start. So, all these days were you hitting your head on the wall?
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I am JJ Abrams.
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Agree. Price is still funny. And Lily had a bad week with OUAT, but she changed her tack this week and tried to find some fun in it again. The ones that just keep pounding the hate are hard to read.
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Lily and Price understand what the show is about. Heck, Lily knows Elementary is mediocre and nothing special. Yet she keeps coming up with excuses for its sub par writing. Price completely trashes something he hates. But they also provide valuable insight even when they are bashing. I don't think Tim even gets what Revolution is about. He's dead set on wanting his own dreams of the show to come to life and even if it happens now, he won't be impressed by it because he doesn't know how to adapt.
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Price hated Beauty and the Beast and he gave a fair and informative critique. It made you think about what the show was trying to be and where it may have veered off course. Lily started to nitpick with OUAT two weeks ago and stopped. They both are paying attention to the shows they review, and trying as fans to give their audience something to think about and discuss. Love it or hate it, they are though-provoking. They aren't mindless hate because half of the nitpicking problems aren't even real problems if you take a second.
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Usually Price loves the shows he reviews. He can make humor out of them and still get an insightful review. Tim, on the other hand, is just mocking Revolution. But Price had a big problem with Dexter last year. Then he was just bitter, and so were many Dexter fans.

Lily had a fit because of the Frankenstein episode of OUaT which I, personally, thought was imaginative and fun. And this week she has sentenced the show to be a mere showcase for Disney properties without any story cohesion. Definitely things are not going well in Fairytale Land.
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Why are people not allowed to say what they want about these shows? It's as if Tim's opinion on all life is dependent on how he feels about Revolution. If anyone understands this more than me, it's Tim. As you can see, each review starts in a similar fashion. Hell, he probably loves skimming through the comments section. After all, it's his reviews that garner the most comments week in and week out.
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Oh, sorry. The Raiders reference was lost on me. That's not included in my internal dictionary of Americanisms. The only Raiders I'm aware of are of the Lost Ark.
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@DinChild - Granted. I have no way of knowing whether you like derisive comments on the things you're fond of or not. Maybe you do... For sure I notice that you show an amount of humor in your Revolution bashing while others show an absolute ugliness when expressing their revulsion.

I used to enjoy derision, but now I'm much more aware of fans' feelings so I try not to condone that. But I do admit it's hard to keep that in mind at all when it comes to things related to vampires in general, and Twilight in particular.
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@Mad

Now now, Mad. You're not like the others. You don't just make claims for no reason. Considering we've only been talking about Revolution, I don't think it's fair to say I can't take ridicule over the things I enjoy.

Case and point: I'm a Raiders fan. I eat derision for breakfast.
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@DinChild - So you like derisive material... as long as it's about shows you don't like, of course. That's beautiful. And convenient.
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Humor comes in all colors. Sometimes, I like me so derisive material. I don't only read Tim's reviews. Then again, he happens to review a lot of the shows I watch. *still crossing fingers for Spartacus*
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OK, DinChild, I did mention Tim in my comment though that was not the essence of the idea. Anyway, I still think Price is a more talented "humorist" than Tim. Price can make ridiculous jokes both fans and non-fans can appreciate. Tim can only be funny deriding the show.
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I do know how many things he's missed. Many reviewers make errors in their reviews because they aren't just reviewing one show. They aren't just taking notes for one show. They have families and lives. But believe it or not, even if he got everything factual sound, it doesn't change anything. I'm not basing my opinion on his flaws; I notice them when he makes them.

But let's not get ahead of ourselves, you do have a habit of assuming you can think for the characters, and therefore assume something's fact just for the fun of it. So i'll give you some benefit of the doubt there.
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Yes, it is undeserved when you review it incompletely by missing character beats, major plotlines and facts. You should know how many things he has missed in the previous episodes.
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First, it's not undeserved.

Second, mad wanted to know why I brought up Tim.
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Of course. Undeserved mocking and bashing. What else do you think is happening?
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You nailed it bro
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All nitpicking aside, the only problem I have with the show is Charlie. I can't stand the teary-eyed emo speeches. Other than that, it's a very entertaining show.
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Charlie has no problem killing nameless henchmen but does with the guy she was sent to kill, lol. Least getting punched stopped her moaning for a change. I understand how the necklaces work locally but why does the power go off around the whole world? Maybe there is a huge network or a giant one somewhere.
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I looked at that first screengrab and I thought "How the hell did Arya Stark get on Revolution?"
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My thoughts exactly.
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Only thing good about this one was the hilarious review for it.
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This episode started out kinda blah until about 15 or 20 minutes in and then it got really good!
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i stopped watching revolution after the i heard about the dogs episode, and when i clicked on this article and saw that kid... i really facepalm'd myself.
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Ugh. Why do I even bother coming here. This episode showed greatness even if you don't want to admit it. A little attention would have been nice. There was a cold open where Charlie was branded. I'd have thought that would have made a better punchline for you. Nobody can justify these as reviews. Its just an ode to his vanity and narcissism.
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You forget that Tim is renowned for missing the facts and greater character moments, specifically regarding Revolution. By his normal standards, he actually didn't miss a lot this time. I have an issue with him saying Miles wasn't bothered when the lighthouse powered up. We could clearly see his surprise, but he had enough sense to beat the soldiers at that opportune moment..
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Yea and another thing, showing the interesting and intriguing part of the episode in the cold open to attract viewers to stay tuned is really getting old. That AND kid soldiers in one episode is just too much 'bad' in 40 minutes.
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I don't know if you'd consider the cold open before this episode intriguing or interesting (the heroin episode.) That was a joke.
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I didn't like the kids either. And I think the opening would've worked better if they had show it until the moment the militia man was about to brand Charlie, leaving us thinking whether he would do it or not. But overall it was an interesting episode, especially for the flashbacks, as usual.
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My point was, that could have been a better punching bag for his vanity - one that proved that he had an attention span greater than that of a squirrel. The soldier making factory setting was realistic.
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well, I have tried... but at the end I couldnt make it - I give up - I will still read the reviews, they are fun and I will get to know how this all goes without having to suffer for 40 minutes each week... I'm glad at least the walking dead is so much better this season.
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The best thing about the show is the Charlie getting punched in face every episode

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Hey, maybe at the end of the season will make a 42-minute special video-clip episode of Charlie being punched. This reminds me of the movie "Idiocracy" in which in the future there's a movie consisting entirely of a butt.
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I love Idiocracy.
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Me too.
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I am still liking this show despite its flaws and even though I generally don't like Tim's Revolution reviews because he always seems to be mocking it for every little thing and they're always so negative, I surprisingly enjoyed reading this. It was almost as funny as Price's photo-recaps!
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Yeah, but Price is better suited for that. he manages to make fun of the episode while still respecting it. He makes jokes that don't interfere with the fans' enjoyment.
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Exactly, they're funny as hell. They're not if you try and ignore the obvious holes in the show and try to cling to the idea that the show is good. If you feel that the show is good, then it feels like Tim is mocking YOU as well which isn't cool.

Also, people seem to react that EVERY review is negative. Well what if the show is so far bad 7 for 7, should he just fake his opinions on one of them just so that ALL the reviews wouldn't be negative? That's not fair either.
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What if I say he is wrong and Revolution has had 4 good episodes. You're obviously swayed by his reviews since the beginning and let it muddy your own individual thoughts. When he gets the important facts wrong or misses a major moment entirely and lets them dictate all his reviews, do you think that's being fair?
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I agree that a reviewer should always give their honest opinions but adding a little bit of humor and positive points or giving opinions on how to improve storylines along with the reviewer's criticism(s) doesn't seem to hurt. It helps make a review more balanced and equal.
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its like dragon ball z, find the 12 light chanis and make a wish that the lights were back on.



How will this show produce more seasons with the overall plot of the show lloking like it might be answered in season 1. Also Im guessing season 1 is only going to be like 16 or 17 episodes since there is only 3 episodes left this year and it dont return untill march 25th
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hahaha .. awesome review .. i might just start watching the show, if you make it sound so funny :-)
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I haven't watched this show since episode 3, but your review kind of makes me (almost) want to hop on board again. Just to laugh and shake my head some more.
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I fell asleep after they found the corn kids, but the fighting sounds woke me up so that I could see the lighthouse and rescue scenes. I also saw the mom in the cell next to the other prisoner she knew, then when the other prisoner was all about sacrificing the one for the many - until it was HIS daughter under the gun. I enjoyed that scene for some creepy schadenfreude reason.
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