Sons of Anarchy "Darthy" Review: Bad Business As Usual

Sons of Anarchy S05E12: "Darthy"

If you ignore a few "what the fuck were they thinking?" moments in tonight's Sons of Anarchy (and when it comes to this over-the-top bike opera, you should regularly do that at least three times per episode), you're left with one of the best episodes of the season. I loved "Darthy" so hard I'm chaffing, guys. The 90-minute affair could be divided into two parts, the first of which boiled things down to the show's core of daddy and stepson issues, and the second of which released some of the pressure of the first by, oddly enough, adding tension in other places. Plus, unlike last week's episode, "Darthy" felt like it actually needed to be 90 minutes long.

There was so little time wasted that the pre-credit sequence felt like the final moments of the episode, as Clay was hurriedly brought before the table for judgment. The table votes this season have been excellent, but this was by far the biggest decision. The "yays" had Clay out of the club, which was the right thing to do, but they fell one vote short of introducing Clay to Mr. Mayhem because of Bobby's "No thanks." Y'all may be blood-thirsty jackals who want to see Clay strung up and pulled behind a motorcycle, but as a pacifist, I understand Bobby's position and I certainly appreciated his level-headed approach to the matter even while steam was blowing out of everyone else's ears, especially Jax's. At some point, you have to look at the chaos around you and say enough's enough. Killing another member of the Original 9 would cast a pall over the SAMCRO and tamper with the club's current business ventures.

But Jax and the mountain of rage he was sitting on had some pretty damn strong points to make, and we all know what those are (Piney, Tara, etc.). Clay hasn't been fully redeemed for his heinous actions by any stretch of the imagination, and no one but Bobby was willing to lend him any more time. He deserves to die, but if you buy what Bobby was selling then you know killing Clay comes at a cost, and Bobby, like us, was worried that Jax was out of control. For all the talk Jax has yapped about being more like his biological father, he's also shown a lot of Clay tendencies. I really liked how the two sides clashed and stood their ground even after the democratic process saved Clay's life, and the acting in these early scenes was superb, with special high-fives for Charlie Hunnam and Mark Boone Jr. I won't argue with anyone who was disappointed that Bobby stepped in and exercised his power as vice president to save Clay's life, but if you ask me, the move seemed consistent with Bobby's past behavior. The guy just wants everyone to get along and he's been riding alongside Clay for a long time.

Besides, things might actually work out for the best this way. The club earns brownie points for voting Clay out but not killing him, and the door is still open for Clay to meet an untimely fatal accident off of SAMCRO's books. Maybe Clay doesn't meet Mr. Mayhem, but maybe Clay does meet Mr. Wood Chopper or maybe he falls down and accidentally swallows a two-liter bottle of Coke and a pack of Mentos. Bobby knows he can't stop Jax from killing Clay, but if he can delay it or push it out of the club, SAMCRO will remain stronger for it. And as far as street cred goes, others will know that when Clay does die, it will be the club's doing. It just won't be public. And let's be honest, if Sons of Anarchy is going seven seasons, Clay is going to be around for at least six of them.

But just as Jax thought he had a grip on things, everything blew up in his face thanks to stupid grudges and really terrible business partners. The Irish's hatred for the Mexicans and vice versa is totally bone-headed, but old habits and racist upbringings die hard. I don't really buy that the two gangs full of idiots would blow the deal for the guns, and I was right with Jax when he screamed, "We all want the same thing here!" It just doesn't make sense, no matter how much they distrust each other. Grudges should never get in the way of business, and even feuding macho men should know that. But this is Sons of Anarchy, and the story has to move forward and if everyone got along then we wouldn't really have any story, would we?

After the cartel stole the guns and bodies were dropped, the Irish had it out for SAMCRO, thrusting the episode into a whole new realm of OH MY GOD as the Irish promised to murder everyone unless/until they got their money and guns back. The ensuing panic was excellent; any time SAMCRO is scared silly, we know we're dealing with some real shit, and Jax's ex Wendy got the crap end of the deal when she was kidnapped by the Irish to show they meant business. Haha, joke's on you, Irish, all you had was a former heroin whore who no one really cares about! Nero stepped in to provide the money to free Wendy, continuing his role as the club's guardian angel. Seriously, the guy deserves an honorary Harley or something, because he keeps saving the club's ass even after they ruined his life. Turns out he reached his endgame a long time ago despite what he told Jax, which means he's OG to the core and doesn't really want to leave the life at all. That's kind of a disappointment, as I respected Nero for working hard by having his hoes work hard so he could get out of the life. Oh well. Kurt Sutter is no stranger to bending things around toward the end of seasons to make them fit his plan to tame this beast of a show he's created, and this is just another example of that.

Despite not handing over a new batch of guns to the Irish, Wendy was released (what about the guns?) and she was ticked off. Maybe it was the anger from being snatched by scary Irish dudes, but she came back to Jax saying stuff like, "I'm gonna report you and have your kids taken away!" Which was not smart. Not smart at all. Like, ultra-stupid. You do know what Jax does for a living, right Wendy? That stupidity set the stage for the episode's final moments, as Jax stopped by her pad, threw her against the wall, and shot her up with probably heroin to discredit any claims she may have been planning to make against the club. Hey at least Wendy can fill out her calendar now: "Monday, heroin. Tuesday, heroin. Wednesday, blow fat guys for money to get more heroin. Thursday, heroin..." That was an extremely cold move by Jax to put her in her place, but dammit, she's the one who made the stupid decision to threaten his family. Is it hypocritical for me to let Clay off the hook and relish seeing Wendy get hers? Probably, but dammit, I hate Wendy. "Don't ever threaten my family again," said Jax. And he sure meant it.

One of the interesting things about "Darthy" is that, for being the penultimate episode of the season, it didn't really set up any totally obvious stories for the finale. Instead, there were several things ready to explode—including the Tig and Pope situation, Wendy's beef, Tara's potential murder wrap, Clay's escape to Belfast, Nero's gang problem, and Lee Toric's revenge quest, most of which I'll cover in the notes section below—and they'll all need addressing in the finale. I don’t know how Sutter will squeeze all of that into one episode; maybe if he'll stretch some of those problems into Season 6. But there's certainly no shortage of story here.

What "Darthy" did do (and please pardon the terrible metaphor) was put the pedal to the metal for an hour and a half of exciting television punctuated by outstanding opening and closing segments (Clay's tattoo removal was awesome). There's been a bit of extra positioning and information dumping lately, but it's all ready to crash down in the finale. Let's hope next week's season-ender doesn't disappoint like last season's did.



NOTES

– Whenever Bobby gets a closeup, I think he's about to run down to Mordor with an axe.

– So what do we know about Lee Toric (Donal Logue)? He's an ex-marshal, his sister was the nurse who Otto killed (fun fact: that actress was Logue's real-life sister), and he knows a lot more than he should know. I would not be surprised if his story doesn't end next week and we see more of him in Season 6.

– Please don't hand Tig over to Pope please don't hand Tig over to Pope please don't hand Tig over to Pope. In fact, just kill Pope. Thanks. I can't stand seeing Jax so cool with the man who ordered Opie's death. That's just not right.

– There was a scene where Jax sat Gemma down and said, "Sit down please," but we didn't see the conversation. Then we saw Gemma get extra chummy with Clay. Did he ask her to whore herself out again to learn more about what Clay is up to? He must have, because later she was hanging with Nero and going on about how much she loves him.

– I really have a hard time buying that Tara was ready to give Wendy custody of her children if something happened to her and Jax. That basically tells me that Tara has ZERO friends.

– Clay crying is SAD.

– What kind of war are these Mexican drug cartels waging that they need 10 gigantic missile launchers and 100 missiles?!!?!??! Can I watch that show, please?

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I guess I am the only one who hated to see Wendy get hooked back on drugs. I would have rather Jacks kicked her ass than put her back on drugs. Jax is turning more and more into Clay every episode. I am actually starting to love Clay and hate Jax. Mark Boone Jr. was definitely great last night but I have to give it up to Katey Sagal. When Gemma is with Clay you really believe she loves the jerk and then, you see her with Nero and you think...Oh she loves him. Katey deserves an Emmy. To happy to see Donal Hogue, his quiet matter is absolutely terrifying. Watch out, Tara! He is coming for you.
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I agree with everything you said. I guess this is a testament to how great this show is because I have been so conflicted since season 4. I don't get the Wendy hate because at the end of season 1 she and Jax were on cool terms. Jax had forgiven her for what she did to Abel and took some of the blame onto himself. It was understood that she was going to get help and to my understanding that's what she did, so why the hate?

I can't help but always root for Clay even though he had done some pretty heinous shit and I love to see him with Gemma.
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Seems Tig is on the brink of accepting Clay's offer, though he is still bound to Jax. As much as Tig deserves to be handed over to Pope, I would miss his crazy character.

I agree with @emmiegirl. Tara only has herself, her 2 boys, and 1 man/boy in her life. Is she that stupid that she's going to have Wendy take care of the kids in case anything happened to her and Jax?! Shouldn't that be her (nth time) wakeup call to get herself and her kids to safety? I mean, if you have a former heroin addict telling you what you're doing wrong with your life, you gotta know how bad the situation is. Poor Wendy, once relapsed at the hands of Gemma, and now Jax.

Also loved the tattoo removal scene. Clay is so busy contemplating his mistakes and his new plans, that there was no room for a single wince or any sign of pain.
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Jax pumping Wendy full of drugs was ANOTHER step in Clay's direction instead of his fathers, the more Jax tries to change the club and make his fathers wishes for the club come true, the more he heads further in the direction of Clay.

I am READY for the finale.
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Please hand Tyg over to Pope! Still angry about Tyg for all the shit he did.
And Bobby's treachery will come at dearly cost for the club, Clay had to die and now he gets half of the Sons for his new club. Pacifism is fine but it should never lead to impotence.
"We all want the same thing here!" - is that a Jaxinism?
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Have to agree on one point.

it's such a bad piece of writing, that they have the Cartel just rush in and powerplay the very last drop.
They made it quite clear they like Jax and the MC - so why do this and have them struggle with the IRA now.
Pure idiocy, and I can only (dis)credit the writers for needing an easy way of putting the MC in danger.
The show is amazing, it's too bad it sometimes has these oopsies.
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He's so gonna kill Pope and hand his organization to his right-hand-man (also known as hot guy I dream about). And it's gonna be awesome!
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http://popgoesthearts.blogspot.ca/2012/11/sons-of-anarchy-5x12-review-best.html

Amazing review as usual Tim!! Please check mine out and let me know what you think !!
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Tim wrote: "I really have a hard time buying that Tara was ready to give Wendy custody of her children if something happened to her and Jax."

I have a hard time buying almost everything about Tara. No other character has demanded the suspension of disbelief from me more than Tara, and even Wendy called her out in this episode for the choices she has made that seemingly fly in the face of rationality and logic. Tara is meant to be a gifted neonatal surgeon and specialist, which is highly specialized and rare; these docs are the sort flown all over to consult on or work on extremely complicated pre- and postnatal complications. I understand Jax is her childhood sweetheart and people do crazy, foolish things for love, but when your romantic love costs you your dreams of career (+5 years of post-grad surgical training), when it means living under constant threat from the law, dangerous international criminal organizations, heck, even your homicidal narcissistic father-in-law, when it threatens the safety and lives of you and your children, when does a highly educated, successful woman decide to make the painful but logical, necessary and, I will say it, the right decision, to leave love and danger behind and take her children and herself to the safe, sane and respectable life she worked half her life in order to be able to provide? I want to believe that a woman intelligent and resilient enough to succeed through 15 years of medical training and be scouted by a specialized private practice is intelligent and resilient enough to see the writing on the wall and walk away, but again and again the woman walks the razor's edge of TSL, constantly putting herself in dangerous situations.

So when Sutter presents us with Jax's opening monologue, I cannot believe it is by chance, nor that my disbelief is terribly out of proportion. Jax writes to the boys, "Children face inward, wallow in their own selfish needs." and the camera shows Tara in the mirror, looking pensive, burdened, she inhales deeply, then the camera slides around to view her in profile as Jax continues, "Men face out, take action on the needs of others." as she exhales, bows and shakes her head a bit. I've re-watched this scene a couple times, wondering if I'm placing too much significance on the arrangement of words and images. Is Tara finally going to pull her big girl panties up and do what's best for her children and herself? Or is she again going to take "stand by your man" to epically comedic proportions and not rescue herself?

By that same token, this entire season I've had the same issue with Jax as he commits the sins of both his father and step-father while failing to open his eyes to the danger he puts his family in. I can't decide what the pathology at work here is, but he has himself convinced he is working for some greater good while he seems to constantly contradict himself and further embroil himself in ever more complicated and dangerous criminal relationships.
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Up until this episode, I kept thinking Jax had a big plan against Pope that didn't involve giving him Tig. I still think that's the more likely possibility, but after this episode, I have my doubts on that one. Maybe Jax asking August about his position in Pope's organization was a slight tip or foreshadow to us viewers about Jax wanting to take out Pope.

That last scene with Donal Logue with a ton of artillery on his bed made me salivate. I REALLY hope that means some serious action, rather than having him killed in a fairly mild manner. And yes, a few of us last week called it that Logue's sister would be playing, uh, Logue's sister. I figure it was us Terriers fans that recognized her. I'm not sure why I still talk about it like the show isn't dead, but uh, go Terriers.
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The 1-man militia artillery freaked me out. I can't believe no one caught or commented on the literary significance of Lee Toric's reading material: "Watchfiends & Rack Screams" a collection of the works written during and following release from a Rodez asylum in the final 3 years of the life of French author, poet and dramatist Antonin Artaud, a man that teetered uneasily between genius and insanity his entire life.

Was this too obvious for mention, am I oblivious?
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I've read a few of your posts. You are brilliant and now I am in love with you! LOL

I saw a clip where Toric has a shitload of prescription bills he's taking and I'm sure one of those bottles is to curtail his crazy.
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I agree, if you take those three things out it was a great episode. But Clay should be dead. Like really dead. Ah he cried, boo freaking hoo. Do we really need to list all the people he has killed because of his greed. You know what else would likely make him cry? Being dragged behind a motorcycle going 60 mph. You could probably also throw Bobby in there with him. I kind of understand Bobby's motivation to save Clay, but it mostly seems just an easy plot to keep Clay alive. Clay and Jax have two entirely different motivations. Clay is money, he may truly care for Gemma, but he doesn't care about anyone else. He just wants money. Jax is doing what he thinks he has to do to protect his family. This was covered pretty much with his quote from last episode and his letter for, I guess Able?

The whole scene with the Cartel and the Irish was so unbelievably forced. And it was tiresome.

I like the vato version of Nero. I hope he makes it out of the season alive, I doubt it, it is probably going to end with him being killed by Clay. But at least that would be for Gemma and not some BS money issue.

Tara, I don't know why, I am just kind of tired of her, I am kind of hoping that she takes the job at Providence and takes the kids.

I hope they don't kill Pope, he really is the best character. And he really isn't someone that can get killed by any one from the MC. Maybe Jax will make a deal with Pope's number 2. But Pope and Jax's conversations have made this season bearable. I would like to keep hi around.

Lee Toric, Are they setting him up to be some kind of overblown comic villain for the club. Antonin Artaud's Watchfriends and Rack Screams with a little mini arsenal on the bed. Really? Come on, Donal Logue is too great an actor to make him so silly. I hope we don't see him the rest of the season and they rethink his character for next season. But it isn't starting well.

As for Wendy. Meh. Jax really hates two people. Clay and Wendy. So I suppose he got to take a little bit of what he wants to do to Clay out on her. But it didn't seem necessary. As long as Tara is there I really don't see a legal case where Wendy could get the kid. At all. And paying that much for her to the Irish. Jax should have just told them to off her. How was that believable?

Overall it was good. Aside from the three WTH moments, and how they presented Toric.

Oh and Tigg should die.
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Yeah, the cartel/irish scene was one of the most cringeworthy things I've ever seen on this show.
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Ditto. Clay and Tigg both need to be 86'd. Tara needs to stop trying to live a fantasy and get away. If Jax ever grows up and sets his priorities in proper order he would follow, but that is unlikely. I hope you are not right about Clay killing Nero though, it would fit the ethos but I like Nero and don't wish to see him go out on such banality.

I also like Pope; he's intelligent, interesting and unstereotypical. I cannot understand how fixated people seem to be on the belief that Pope is responsible for Opie's death. CLAY is responsible for Opie's death. If not for Clay, the four Sons would not have been in County, Opie would not have been so bereft and disillusioned he volunteered, Pope would not have wanted revenge for his daughter's death, etc. and so on, ad nauseum. Get over it already and start seeing the big picture rather than being so bogged down in this or that detail. It would be infantile and irresponsible for Jax to commit, publicly or privately, to revenge upon Damon Pope when Pope could destroy half of Charming without any blow-back.

One thing I don't understand: when Romero and Torres showed up to the meet with the Irish, he said he heard about Clay from Damon Pope. Why would Pope divulge this sort of info to the Cartel/CIA in the first place? Was Romero lying when he said this? Anyone have ideas as to what is going on here?
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Yea I like Nero as well. Personally I think Nero and Pope are the best characters outside of the club they have had. But I just don't see the season ending with both Pope and Nero living. Maybe one, but it is hard to try to figure out which. Pope, by all rights shouldn't be able to be killed by the club, for one he is too smart, well connected and the best villain they have come across. If they kill Pope it is going to be lame. And it ruins the great dynamic between him and Jax and Jax raising his game under Pope's tutelage. However, his staying would out a weird dynamic next season with Toric's character. If Pope is still there, I am sure killing off an ex Marshal is nothing to him. Whereas Nero can be easily killed by Clay over Gemma. But this whole thing with his old crew could be an interesting side plot for next season. If they kill Nero, they are going to kill a great character and a potential father figure for Jax.

And you are right, it is all Clay. Actually if you look at it the majority of the drama and strife that the Son's have been through can be laid at Clay and Tigg's feet. They should go and that should be that and all things within the world of SOA would be set right.

As for your questions. I must have missed that Romero and Torres said it was Pope. I thought it was Clay. But that whole mess was horse crap written in to provide conflict and give them a reason to keep Clay alive. Or Pope intends to screw them all over.
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killing pope may cause a lot of problems because he has a death insurance policy that pays 5 million to the guy that kills his killer, Tig will most likely survive because the writers cant afford to get rid of him after losing opie, the nomads, clay and most likely Juice from the mc table because there will only be 5 guys which is too low.
Clay survives but he can only go either full on villan fighting the MC that he built or a civilian go between. I see Donald Logue as a guy doing damage (Terriers was awesome)
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Jax is going to have Tig or Clay kill Pope. When he asked Pope for "advice" about revenge by proxy, he wasn't talking about Clay. Awesome scene.
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Yep, but then after that Pope sets the Cartel in motion with the info about Clay. Pope is smart enough to see through Jax's ploy, and his number two would have told him about the blatant attempt to feel out his motivations. Could turn into games within games like the Stahl fiasco.
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The whole thing with the Irish and the Cartel was because Bobby let Clay live, and Clay went to the Cartel to tell them that the guns wouldn't be coming in because the Irish won't do a deal unless he is there. This is why pacifists shouldn't be in motorcycle clubs. For TV sure keep Clay alive, but if this were a real life MC (I'm guessing) Clay would have been dead. Especially since all Jax would have to do is bring up Tara, Piney, Opie's wife...
Also, Clay wasn't sad for any other reason than he was out of the club because he was caught so you can't feel sorry for him. This was made clear when he made a deal after the gun tradeoff went bad with Galan to run guns for him.
Predictions: Jax kills Pope with Clay's gun and Gemma kills Clay when she meets him to go to Belfast where she dumps the body.
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With Pope's insurance of a 5 million dollar bounty on whoever kills him, I figure if Jax is going to kill Pope, he'll have to frame it on somebody... and Clay kind of makes sense. Your idea that Gemma will then kill Clay is fantastic... for whatever reason, the thought hadn't occurred to me, and maybe reading about it now will make it less surprising if it happens, but I think that idea is great.
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I'm thinking he sets up Tig or Clay or take down Pope....then he pulls the trigger on the one that does it, claiming the $5 mil for himself/SAMCRO
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Or Juice. Send him in knowing he's gonna die, but the club will never know he ratted.
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You aren't cool with Jax/Pope business relationship but praise Bobby for saving Clay, the murderer of Opie, Piney, Tara's surgical career and Opie's wife? Interesting.
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Also, the person in charge of SOA soundtrack. You get a raise.
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Great episode. I hope Jax doesn't serve Tig up to Pope. Even though he deserves it for Opies wife and for the grievous error that got the sons on Popes radar in the first place, Jax selling out a brother is selling out a brother and that would make him no better than Clay. It's a damned if you do or don't position for Jax. Clay is without a doubt my favorite character in this show and to be honest the foundation on which its all been built on. No Clay, no Sons think on that while you wish him dead. I like this new development with the pissed off US Marshall. He looks like he's ready to fuck up somebody's day. Finally is everybody from Deadwood going to be in SOA or Justified? I only now recognized Calamity Jane.
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I liked the episode I think. I was waiting for a little more action, and maybe a little more psycho Jax.
Just addressing the notes though, I think you bring up some interesting points. One thing though is I kinda saw Wendy as a decent out for Tara. She would want someone that is supposedly out of the life, will keep her boys together, and at least will love one like a son. The whole relapse thing of course knocks this way out of there though, so I guess its moot.
On the Pope/Tig thing, Jax's whole conversation with Pope's second was really telling I think. When he suggested that the dude was patient, I think they might have been hinting out Jax setting up Pope with all of these crazy money opportunities, but then popping him on the spot, and handing it all over to the second, much how Pope did to the Niners. Jax has gone disturbingly psycho on a guard who set up the kill, a hired non-gang member who did the deed, and there has been little mention about Pope's "want" for revenge that got the whole thing started. My theory, Jax knocks off Pope, goes the Pope route with Charming Heights, and becomes the new King.
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I thought this was a great episode, maybe the best of the season. The finale is set up to be explosive, so I hope there is not a cop out like last year. I've hated Clay for awhile now, but I did feel sorry for him when I saw him crying like a baby, because it showed how vulnerable he can be. One thing the writers have done great with Clay's character this year is his unpredictability. You can never tell if he is just using somebody or if he really has compassion. I do believe he cares for Gemma, but he may be using Juice. I really like Nero and I hope he makes out of this season alive, and I normally would write off a character like Lee Toric, but Logue has such a presence that I'm really interested. I felt a little bad for Wendy, but I ultimately can care less, and I don't care about Tara right now either. I think Tig is in more danger than anybody, and I can make a million predictions about what I think will happen between Tig, Jax, and Pope, but I'll just wait and see.
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I am thinking that Jax kills Pope at the hand off. The telltale - Jax's comments to Pope's consiglieri about his being either "loyal... or patient."
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Galen reached out to Clay and asked for the guns OR the money or he's going to kill Wendy. Not both.
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I porsonally don't see any reason why Jax can't buddy up to & work with Pope.
Pope is just the middle man in the situation and has been very clear & honest with Jax the whole time.
Tig is the one who started the entire situation rolling and the men who did the physical act of killing Opie are already taken care of.
Handing Tig over to Pope make s a very clear and logical rounding out of the story.

Saying that I just don't see them getting killing off any more main characters this season, sure it's nice that for once a series isn't afraid to kill a big character but you can only do it so many times in a short period before it becomes"just another death" and takes away from the show by lessening the overall cast.
The Cartel storyline can't go on another season so I see the end of that coming with maybe the Irish hitting them hard, freeing up SAMCRO from those ties, only for it to all kick off again with the Irish/Clay.
I just get the feeling Tara is getting locked up and the Lee Toric angle plays out big time next season, maybe that's just wishful thing on my part, Donal Logue deserves a steady role instead of just guest spots.
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Last episode is called "I got this"
It's been the running catchphrase of Opies death the season.
On top of that, Pope has shown Jax how revenge can be played out, burning Tigs kid alive, wanting Tig to suffer properly before he finally dies...yeah Jax has a plan in store I'm sure. Can't wait to see it played out.
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it would be cool if in the end we'll see grandiose shootout between cartel thugs, irish terrorists, Pope's people and SAMCRO. 6 season should be the last for SoA coz this show on the brink of Dexter 6 and 7 season ridiculousness
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"There was a scene where Jax sat Gemma down and said, "Sit down please," but we didn't see the conversation." ???maybe if you had actually watched the show you would have seen the scene. nor is the episode 90 minutes long. seriously doubting your qualification to write reviews.
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the episode is 90 minutes aired, counting commercial breaks (equals about 60 of the actual show).
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you still watch shows with commercials? seriously?? ...in any case, the commercials don't count as part of the episode.
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The scene DOES cut off after Jax says "Sit down please"... and goes to Tig and Clay at the barn waiting for the Irish. After that is Jax with Tara and Wendy. So unless you saw a special episode that I (and apparently Tim) didn't, he's not wrong about that.

If I had to guess, I'd say we saw the same episode but you maybe think that Jax telling Gemma to sit was the end of that convo... which I (and seemingly Tim) really don't think it was -- that the little chit-chat before that comment was just a lead up to what Jax had to say to her (which we weren't privy to).
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damn it,forgot to write....Happy did a perfect cover-up tattoo:D:P You don't even see what was under all that black:P:P
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people will once again see Clay "escape" his death and not the important things. I mean, get over it already. This season is f-ing mind blowing awsome season! And I love how most of it unfolds in more or less one episode and not drags through all season and yet at the same time,making new threads to go strong. I disagree with you Tim, I LOVE these 1h episodes!(I have to watch show by other means,since I am not from US and one great thing is,that there is NO f-ing commercials:D ) What a strong start...woow,never saw it coming...Clay spilling everything,them voting him out,wanting to kill him,then of course no and THEN Jax didn't care and just WANTED to kill him,but was stopped by his brothers. And all of this in first 5min!!!! Each season just brings me more and more in, into this world Sutter has created. Yeah Tara has no friends and why not give Abel back to her mother? She was clean(until Jax put her back on track:D ) and if she got custody of those kids,she would be even more hellbent on staying clean(that is if both Jax and Tara died:D ). For the Mexican and Irish thing...you seem to miss,what you write:D...you ask why this and you give answer to yourself and then again you ask yourself other thing and again you answer:D->Go ahead and read what you wrote and you will find answers in there.
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why do you, Tim, always say that episode is 90 minutes. it's not. it's 58 minutes. where do you get another 32 minutes? these another 32 minutes belong to commercial crap. please no misinformation
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I wouldn't call it misinformation. As safibwana is basically stating, I've never heard ANYONE call half-hour sitcoms twenty-two-minute sitcoms. No one calls hour-long dramas fourty-two minute dramas.

If you're talking about a show's technical production, then yes, you say that the runtime is 22 minutes or however long the episode is without commercials... but generally and commonly, it's not wrong or misinformation to say that a particular episode is half-hour, one hour, one-and-a-half hour, or two hours long (or in minutes).
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Length is measured from the beginning of something to the end of something. How you feel about what fills the space between is irrelevant to the measurement. Feel free to look up the air times on the network's website. We'll wait. Okay. Now, to say commercials aren't part of the length of a show is like saying the sales department isn't part of a corporation; it's the part that pays for things, and without it, there is no thing. If you are in a meeting that lasts from 9 to 10 in the morning, and the person leading it spends 15 minutes talking about his ex-wife and 10 minutes in the bathroom how long is the meeting? Is it an hour long or is it 35 minutes long? Assume you're being paid, by your logic, it would be 35 minutes, so is it fair to only pay you for those 35 minutes?
Handy guide:
An episode with 22ish minutes of content is 30 minutes long.
An episode with 42ish minutes of content is 60 minutes long.
An episode with 60ish minutes of content is 90 minutes long.
Now, stop spreading misinformation.
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I don't think Tig will die next episode. Why? Because it looks like he will in the teaser for next week, and we all know that's one sure way to know that's not whats going to happen. Besides, we are losing too many people at once. Clay is gone, Juice is no doubt going to get it soon and to take out Tig... No one is tuning in next season to watch the Filthy Phil show, just saying. If I had to guess, I's say Jax is going to kill pope and make it look like Clay did it, two birds with 1 stone. But wouldn't it be sweet irony if Jax uses the advice he asked pope for this episode to take him out next week.
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*That* would be a cool ending and one I would *definitely* watch. I've kind of lost the love for this show; Opie's death is unavenged, in fact Jax appears to be BFF's with Pope; Clay seems to have more lives than a box of cats and Gemma has gone from being the cool matriarch to some sad, weird old lady we don't even like anymore (all she needs now is a rundown house with a cat hoarding issue). *Your* ending would make all that worthwhile though and renew my love affair with the show - dear God, I hope Sutter's on the same wavelength as you. I for one will be cheering up a storm if he is.
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Jax did avenge Opie to a certain degree:D I also believe Pope's time is coming and with him, revenge on Opie will be complete. And I do think Jax was asking Pope that question for different reasons,then he gave Pope.
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Well, I hope you're right about Pope; but the way Jax has been cosying up to him has been making me feel sick. As to avenging Ope; nope not done yet - I want a world of hurt, pain and blood rained down on those responsible; whether they were directly involved or not. I'll stick it out this series, but if it don't end right with the last episode than I am officially bailing at that point.
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I really hope Jax is planning something for Pope, he killed Oppie and burned Tig's daughter alive. Jax might not like Tig but he's part of the MC so it shouldn't matter, Pope needs to pay, one way or another.
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I feel so bad for Wendy. What with being whacked on Sopranos, being on Joey and now this. She just can't seem to catch a break.
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Don't forget she was in Desperate Housewives
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But she was hilarious on Californication! So stereotypical and creepy uncomfortable, one of the best worst roles she's ever done.
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WHAT THE #$%^%$ WAS THAT?!?! I don't even understand what supposedly happened with the cartel, that was completely stupid and too bizarre to make any sense! They conduct business just fine, then get they retarded and storm the Irish with guns blazing?! That didn't even make sense! ARGH It seems like, just when things are going good and turning the corner, they get bad because the Cartel/CIA lost their brain and try to screw up a business deal with muscle?! ARGH, normally I love this show, but that bit was so completely stupid and out of character, it made me think twice for a moment.
Thankfully, this show's so good, that it was only a moment. XD Sorry about that, just had to get it off my chest... Otherwise, another awesome episode, wow...
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Clay crying was super sad. I thought Tig was going to get it at the end, but Jax jabbing Wendy was hardcore. I mean, Jax is hardcore but that was so hardcore that even Tig was against it. I'm expecting Tara to bounce and leave Jax, her hug did not seem genuine there at the end. Can't wait to see what Jax told Juice...
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You know something is fucked up if TIG objects to it...
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Bobby deserves a bullet to the face again this week.
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I get why Bobby did what he did.

Jax had no plans of bringing a vote to the table to kill Clay. He was going to do that on his own. Bobby stepped in to stop Jax from doing the same thing Clay would and did do...which was sanction a hit on a brother without club backing aka Opie/Donna.

Like Bobby said, the first decision behind the club back makes the next ones easier and easier and pretty soon you're no different than Clay, the man you despise the most.
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last week I thought Bobby was working with Jax behind the scenes,but this week I(we) learned that wasn't the case. Still love Bobby,even though he betrayed Jax. Everyone in club betrayed someone at some point,there are no saints in SAMCRO. And Bobby has the best bike:D
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Jax too.
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I want to see Jax hand Tig over. He has to pay for his actions. Tig's problem is that he acts out of blind loyalty without taking the time to think. When he saw Clay shot and heard it was the blacks who did it he did not even stop to formulate a better plan than mowing someone down with a car. All he did was end up killing a girl who had nothing at all to do with that situation. And Opie had to pay for this mistake. Although I love the character Tig has to go. Had cannot have a hothead like that in his crew any longer, especially know that he is attempting to move away from the more dangerous aspect of the outlaw life, like guns and drugs.
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Am I the only one who's rooting against Jax and Tara? I sort of want everything to majorly fall apart for them.
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No your not alone. Never liked Tara the yo-yo, staying going staying going. She's back to the same BS, sorry but was sick of it in past episodes and much more now. Loved to see her leave or die, either works. They've already fallen apart time for her to go. I must say this is one of the Best Season's ever. I love Kurt's twist n turns and no matter what anyone says he's a great writer. Kurt's like a box of chocolates you never know what your gonna get from episode to episode, and that's what makes SOA so interesting and fun to watch.
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You are not the only one..
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I'm with you. Jax is a very unlikeable character.
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I wouldn't say I'm rooting against, but I'm not rooting for them. I think it all has to fall apart for them, but not until the end. These are all irredeemable characters. Except that one porn star.
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Juice got some top secret orders from Jax which seemed to spark his interest in a particular handgun that got its own backstory. That coupled with the fact that Gemma now knows exactly when and where Clay is boarding his plane likely means Clay is not making season 6. Sutter seems more like the type to tease the cool idea of a competing Club headed by Clay only to rip it away before it can ever happen.
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