Spartacus Returns With a Vengeance

Penises! Now that we have your attention, we hope you’re comfortable with the aforementioned genitalia, for you will be glimpsing a great many of them as you make your way through Spartacus: Vengeance. “Fugitivus,” the premiere episode of Starz’s beyond-graphic return to the gladiatorial saga that put the network on the original programming map, proved that even if you don’t love penises, you are all but certain to love Vengeance, a worthy successor to the original series that piles on more action, gore, and sex than is probably recommended for healthy emotional development. But who really cares, when it’s this deliriously entertaining?

Let us first address the matter of our new Spartacus, Australian actor Liam McIntyre. McIntyre will forever face comparisons to his predecessor, Andy Whitfield, who died last year from cancer. And while Whitfield was superb in the part, let’s not get carried away here. We’re not recasting Indiana Jones. McIntyre brings his own strengths to the role. His look is less other-worldly handsome than Whitfield’s, his body less chiseled, but from scene one—an ambitiously choreographed ambush battle—McIntyre literally rips into the role with abandon.

With Batiatus out of the picture, marquee villain duties have fallen to Gauis Claudius Glaber (Craig Parker), now Praetor in the Roman army, who was dispatched by a high-ranking toga party to Capua with a prime directive of snuffing Spartacus and his gladiatorial uprising. Spartacus, driven by vengeance against the man responsible for his wife’s condemnation to slavery and eventual death, wants Glaber equally dead. And while he’s at it, he’d like to snuff Glaber’s conniving wife, Ilithyia, who is now pregnant. That’s the same Illithyia who, as you might remember, left us in Blood and Sand having locked all her besties, including Lucretia (Lucy Lawless), inside an orgy room to be massacred by rebels. Imagine her shock when Lucretia turned up, very much alive but gone somewhat insane having had her unborn child stabbed to death in her womb. Bummer.

All the while Crixus, Spartacus’s worthy gladiatorial cohort, searches for his lost love, Naevia. “Let us split darkness with the cries of Romans,” he bombastically pledges, and they’re off to the most graphic orgy-turned-bloodbath you’re likely to witness until at least the next season of The Real Housewives of New Jersey. Seriously—if you haven't already seen it, hide the kids, keep your thumb hovering over the instant replay button, and “strap on” your seatbelts, folks. This one ain’t for the faint of heart. (It’s also amazing.) Back too are freed hottie/slave Mira (Katrina Law), who offers Spartacus a warm body and sympathetic ear, and former gladiator trainer Oenomaus (Peter Mensah), who lingers in a shadowy purgatory, seemingly incapable of choosing allegiances. He’d make a great Ancient Batman. And let us not forget Seppius (Tom Hobbs), a comely young Roman official with eyes for his sister, who set up a competition with Glaber to see who can win the head of Spartacus first.

The discovery of Aurelia, wife of Spartacus’s fallen friend Varro, graphically injured and locked up in stocks in the city square, sent our hero into a fighting rage, where Crixus and the rest of the masters of the ancient Roman universe got in on the action. After Aurelia’s death, Spartacus decided to direct the uprising south, in search of Naevia. All in all, an action-packed start to what is quickly looking to be another fantastic season of Spartacus. We’re in.


QUESTIONS:

... What do you think of Liam? Is he worthy of the loincloth?

... What was your favorite moment in the orgy-bloodbath scene? Keep in mind this is a family site, so keep your descriptions PG-rated. (Yes, I realize that’s close to impossible. Consider it a creative challenge.)

... Do you think Lucretia will ever remember what Illithyia did to her?

... Who’s a better adversary? Gauis or Batiatus?

... Who’s the hottest girl on the show?

... Who’s the hottest guy on the show?

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With all respect to his talent, I think Liam doesn't fit for this role at all. Spartacus is a historical person which should be presented as a strong, masculine, with a face and voice of a warrior and a leader. Andy, rest in peace, was the best performer for this role, but he was an actor, not the Spartacus himself. So putting Liam in this role was a big mistake, because we need Spartacus, not someone who reminds Andy only with his face. When I watch the second season It seems like, the producer tried to find someone who reminds Andy but not the Spartacus. I am very disappointed.
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Liam is not in the shadow of Andy! Andy Will Always Be, Spartacus: Blood and Sand!!! Rest in Peace Angel... Now Liam, this is another animal of another color!!! This man has got his own "IT", thang going on...He interacts well with the other characters and is holding his own!!! I'm hooked for the long duration of this series!!! Anybody with me??? And hurry and find Naevia before Crixus, "Kills Them All"!!!
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... What do you think of Liam? Is he worthy of the loincloth?- I will give him a few more episodes to decide his fate.



... What was your favorite moment in the orgy-bloodbath scene? Keep in mind this is a family site, so keep your descriptions PG-rated. (Yes, I realize that's close to impossible. Consider it a creative challenge.)- My favorite moment was when the naked lady stabbed the man that Crixus wanted to talk to.



... Do you think Lucretia will ever remember what Ilithyia did to her?- Oh she will, she will and then all hell will break loose.



... Who's a better adversary? Gauis or Batiatus? Batiatus.



... Who's the hottest girl on the show? Ilythia by far.



... Who's the hottest guy on the show? Oh wow, not are really that attractive, but if I had to choose, it will be Agron.



I really enjoyed this first episode of the new season. The ending, oh the ending, it was great.
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I agree with Boom Moo - I think Spartacus might be Ilythia's baby daddy. It will be interesting to see if see finds herself in a similar situation as Lucretia was at the end of the first season.... OF COURSE Lucretia will remember! The fun part will be the timing of WHEN it all comes back to her. I m quite interested to see what the trigger will be. Fav part of the gory orgy? I found the warning of the dangers of 'self gratification' quite amusing. Looks like their are worse things to worry about than mis-matching bicep muscles! ;-)
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Good to see the Rome porno is back on TV......
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the lead actor could have done with a little less eye makeup, but otherwise a strong performance
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McIntyre looks the roll - they couldn't have done better replacing Whitfield as far as looks go. Not a dead on match (but seriously, who expected that) but certainly close enough that if I saw him on the street I'd be doing multiple double-takes.



However, it is going to be VERY very hard to live up to Whitfield's acting chops. The guy was a rare genius - no one in the Sparticus cast could touch him as far as acting talent, and McIntyre, as good as he might be, is going to be an inevitable let down. Nothing against McIntyre or the rest of the Sparticus cast, but acting next to (or replacing) Andy Whitfield is just impossible... The guy was one of the greatest actors of his generation. It is sad we didn't get to enjoy his talent longer.
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Liam is very worthy of hte loinchoth indeed but Craig Parker is the hottest!



I hope that Lucretia keeps getting flashbacks but is cunning enough to keep it secret and use it against Ilithya when the time is right.



I think Ilithya is expecting Spartacus' child, btw! :o
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sinking. Less thrilling, less entertainment and less veteran characters
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No doubt the worst episode of the entire show. Will keep watching, but right now I'm leaning towards "should have been canceled".
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- Andy Whitfield will always be the original Spartacus of the series. But Liam McIntyre didn't disappoint. It will take a few more episodes for the audience to warm up to him. I personally didn't have any complaints about his performance, but I did read that Dominic Purcell (Lincoln from Prison Break) was also a contender for the role. Now, that would have been awesome!! Purcell would have given the character an entirely new persona, which is where I think the series missed out. But this still works.

- The brothel scene was...it was...well it was what we've come to expect from the show. My favorite moment in the scene is...did you say PG rated?? Never mind.

- It's quite possible Lucretia is completely sane and the whole crazy lady routine is her latest sinister plan to exact revenge on Spartacus (or even Crixus) by using Ilithyia and Glaber as pawns. It's possible, right??

- Batiatus wasn't much of an adversary without Lucretia. Glaber has the edge in the bad guy category, but I'm still not completely convinced. I actually think Lucretia is still the primary antagonist in the show.

- Hottest girl: Viva Bianca (Ilithyia)

- Hottest guy?? I'm a dude. Dudes don't comment on other dudes.

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I am soooo glad Dominic Purcell did not get the part of Spartacus.. I cannot stand him.

Lots of Aussies and Aussie raised actors in this, love it (I am an Aussie after all). Also all the New Zealand actors, including Lucy, make it easy on the eye :)
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oh, and I loved that Illithyia was calling Lucretia "it" and "that thing" and glad to see that Mira and spartacus are not afraid to mention his wife while still satisfying their carnal urges.
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As far as the best adversary. I think Usher and Lucretia made the best villains last season, and Illithyia right behind them. I was not impressed with Gauis at all (I can't help but think of Gaius Baltar of BSG, who was one of the best anti-heroes to be shown on t.v.) and I don't think he'll impress me in this season, even with more screen time. Illithyia will always out shine him, and now we have Illithyia pregnant, an emotional recipe for evil destruction. It probably doesn't matter who the is the kid's father cause it seems like all the unborn kids on the show die before being born.
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I believe that Lucretia will get over her trauma and start to lay plans for the down fall of illithyia probably through Seppius and his sister, lots of potential for plans and back-stabbing there, which brings me too the first thing I'm really curious about. Who is Usher going to try and throw his lot with in order to survive, since you know he's coming back by the pictures of him in the end credits? which also brings me to my next question. Who, to put it best tended to Lucretia's wound? The wound looked too neat and almost sowed up and stomach wounds don't heal like that without attendance. Perhaps Usher has already chosen who he's going to join up with, at least for starters? And I'm also wondering how they are going to bring back Ganacus since i didn't see any pictures of him in the end credits?
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Anyone else get the feeling Spartacus is the father to be and not Gauis?
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I got that feeling, but at the same time, they never did get to finish the deed and it didn't look like Spartacus was anywhere near dropping his seed before they were interrupted. It all comes down to how far along Alithia is.
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Illithyia is.
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My own personal thoughts is that Liam will fair better as the season progresses because of the shear acting skills of the other actors will make him shine. Also waiting for Liam comfort level to increase.

Personally all the naked bodies falling into the tiny ally between the two building, that was awesome, "oh look people are falling naked on the street, fight on!" LMAO

Lucretia will remember, and apparently she pronounces some prophecy to Glabba in the next episode....intriguing -squee-

One was a bastard because he needed to be (to him anyway) and one is a bastard because he was born and raised one. Lucretia I found was the better villian.

Hottest girl, Lucy.

Hottest guy, was Andy, now I am totally in love with Dustin Clare, and can't wait for his return!!!!! And currently Peter Mensah makes my heart go pitty pat.
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MMmmmanu... it was nice to see a familiar handsome man ;)

Then along came Oenomaus and I felt I was back in Rome/Capua.

I found Liam very angular in the face with a heavier brow than Andy which makes him look like he is scowling all the time... except when he was making love/having sex with Mira (is it?). Loved Lucretia, Lucy Lawless is such a great actor. The baby was Crixus' we would assume since that is how the spell worked out and he was the only decent male on hand at the time.

I like Liam although I loved Andy, I believe Liam will do his role proud. He has a huge position to fill. After about 10 minutes of the first episode I was feeling Liam fitting into character. Since Spartacus' real life ended well before he could make 'old bones' I gather this will be the last 'Spartacus' in the franchise. It feels like a soft chamois glove that fits so well and feels so familiar.

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Somebody is in competition with True Blood.....
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So far I think that Liam is doing a great job. I miss Andy as Spartacus and I had to sigh a few times when I remembered there was a new guy but I think he's exactly what the show needs. Andy played a great out-of-his-element, hurt and battered lover turned dead inside gladiator. The new guy just looks like he's pissed off all the time which is how I see the character at this point in time. It's called "Vengeance" after all...anger is implied.



Bottom line: let's give Liam a chance...he won't be a better or worse Spartacus, just a different Spartacus.



The brothel scene was awesome. Just when I think the show can't shock me any more, a woman comes out with a man part on and I went "WHOA"



Better villian? Loved Batiatus but time will tell who's the better villain once Gauis has a chance to get in the mix...



Mira (Katrina Law) is gorgeous but I think she takes a close second to Illithia (Viva Bianca). Seeing Zena nude, even at 40-somthing, "warms the heart"....and other places...
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I watched episode 1 of season 2 last weekend, however, I don't much care for Liam, he just doesn't seem like Spartacus to me, I was also shocked to see that Lucretia is still alive, I didn't expect that at all.
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Alright, let's do this one at a time...



* Liam is no Andy yet, but he could definitely get to that level. Here's the thing: when Seth said he looks 'less other-worldly handsome than Whitfield'... I didn't get it. In my book, they look pretty much the same... then again, most guys look pretty much the same to me, so... That being said, there were a journey of self-discovery that Spartacus undertook during "Blood and Sand" that most likely won't happen in "Vengeance" - he knows who he is now and knows what he's capable of doing. That will be a big disadvantage for McIntyre - while Andy could revealed different facets of his character, his replacement will probably have to play him as a thoroughly piss-off SoB for, like, 95% or the series. Let's hope the writers will give him more to do than just kill 20 Romans every episodes (minimum, please!), so he can prove himself a worthy substitute.



* I have NO FAVORITE MOMENT WHATSOEVER during the orgy scene. Seriously, I was never the type of guy into watching a chick getting tag-teamed by four douches at the same time! Plus, I had the misfortune of seeing that fat, gross old lady in the background during on the fight scene... which cause me to also threw up in my mouth. But that what's so amazing about this series: even though I was disgusted beyond believe, I watched THE WHOLE SCENE ... TWICE! They made it so grotesquely beautiful, you just cannot prevent yourself from seeing the whole thing. I think that's what Gore Vidal, Tinto Brass and Bob Guccione had in mind with "Caligula", but, while they failed miserably (boy, did they ever...), Steven S. DeKnight , the man behind "Spartacus", keeps making it awesomer and awesomer.... isn't 'awesomer' a word yet? Doesn't matter, 'cause that's how he's doing it, all day/every day!



* Lucretia will definitely remember - that's pretty much a given. I would love it if they filmed a scene of her waking up after the massacre, realizing she's the only survivor... and seeing her completely go bonkers. That would be fantastic, and we all know that Lucy Lawless would be phenomenal playing that scene.



* In my book, Gauis was always the truest Big Bad of this series. The man got the ball rolling from the get-go - I don't even need to enumerated his numerous misdeeds. Bottom line: if he's not around, what's-his-name doesn't become Spartacus and he would have lived happily ever after with his wife. Yes, Batiatus was a much more conniving villain, but, because of his social standing and his lust for power, he needed to be... that.'s not the case with Gauis. He's not an a-hole out of necessity; he's an a-hole... because he's an a-hole.



* Let me be very clear here... Viva Bianca (Ilithyia) is a babe. Katrina Law (Mira) is a babe. Brooke Williams (Aurelia - shame on you for not naming her, Abramovitch!) is a babe. Cynthia Addai-Robinson (Naevia), who hasn't show up yet - babe. But Lucy Lawless is... LUCY-FREAKIN'-LAWLESS, and, therefore, is HANDS DOWN the hottest babe in the series. Disputing this just will make you look foolish.



*... Didn't I mentioned that the guys all look kinda alike to me?



God, I miss that series! 'Cannot wait for Gannicus to show up, to firmly make the proverbial poop hit the fan!!!! BRING ON THE BUCKET OF BLOOD|!!!!!!
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YES to your Caligula reference. That was exactly what was on my mind while watching it. As Morrissey once sang, "Caligula would have blushed."

And thanks for the rest of your thoughtful answers! You get a commenter shout-out this week.
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I think Liam will come into his own as the episodes progress and his comfort level will have then at time of shooting the show would have increased. Also my feeling is that now the show is very much more an ensemble cast, B&S was very micro focused on our journey with The Thracian who becomes Spartacus. with flashes of insight and story with other show characters. So I think the cast will very much hold up Liam, as they are mostly come into their own character stride.

And $50 says Illithyia is pregnant with Spartacus' baby not Glabba/
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Man, forget 50 bucks, make it an even $1000!

That fetus got Thracian going all through his veins, zero doubt about it.
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Dunno, Liam is missing some fire. He should be consumed with rage and bloodlust yet he seems restrained almost to the point of boredom. Andy had a more silent brute yet passionate stare - perhaps it's just a transition I need to undergo to accept Liam.



Anyway, Manu and Craig parker are the series' best assets - they totally misdirect me away from the fake (hah) CGI background
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I think Liam's problem is he isn't "cocky" enough.
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During the episode i kept thinking of Andy Whitfield. However i think Liam is doing a good job considering all. He just not look so powerfull and misterious as Andy. But i guess that in time he will win us over.

That orgy-bloodbath ...OMG. This airs in the US at what hours?? I hope late...very late or you'll have many childrens traumatized... lol

Well... great episode and i agree that this looks to be another amazing season.
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Loved it missed Andy of course but Liam did a really good job
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disappointing.



That's all I have to say.
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This show is a pure guilty pleasure. Well perhaps not so guilty.. :). Mira is definitely the hottest girl on the show. (If Spartacus' wife was still alive the choice would be hard).



Yeas we all miss Andy Withfield, RIP. But I'm guessing most of us want the show to go on, give Liam a fighting chance..



Right now who cares about Lucretia.. All though I suspect that she will in some way have a role to play in bringing down Gaius and Illithyia.
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I honestly didn't think much of Whitfield until a few episodes in, and so I absolutely expect McIntyre will grow on me as soon as we get to see him for a little longer. Personally, I can't wait for for Gannicus to show back up again.



As for the women, Katrina Law is certainly the "hottest" but I still prefer seeing Lucy Lawless in the nude. This is Xena we're talking about.
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Honestly, I would rather they stopped the show altogether. Seeing all these promos has me vaguely excited, but I can't bring myself to watch it. Andy was Spartacus, and anyone else just won't be as perfect. It sucks. I think this show should be cancelled.
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The new Spartacus sucks so bad. Gonna ruin the whole show.
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All things consider Liam McIntyre seems to be doing a good job so far. However, I do not know if it is the actor or the writing or what but Liam McIntyre just does not seem as powerful as Andy Whitfield. There was always this feel with Andy Whitfield that he could kill you at any time and you knew it. Liam McIntyre seems to be more RAWR IM ANGRY AND I WILL KILL YOU ALL!!!
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Great episode, glad it's back. I do need to rewatch season one though. The prequel has thrown me, I was getting characters mixed up.



Liam McIntyre did a great job. I wish Naevia (Lesley-Ann Brandt) wasn't missing, she was hot.
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Evidently, Lesley-Ann Brandt was replaced... if that was a decision from the producers, that was a big mistake - I loved her as Naevia and, obviously, I wasn't the only one. But. if it's because she got too many projects to do at the same time (which seems to be the case when you look at her IMDb profile), then it sad to see her go, but congrats to her. Let's see if the new girl, Cynthia Addai-Robinson, will be a good replacement - undeniably, though, she's a looker, which is always a good sign!
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For a little while while 'catching up' on Spartacus I forgot Whitfield had died... I only started watching the show over the holidays after reading about the news of his death. So when I started watching Vengeance I was a bit miffed about the change until I remembered why. RIP, Whitfield, and best of luck to McIntyre, who seems to be doing well thusfar.
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Viva Bianca is just plain awesome,by far the hottest, Lucretia will remember, the best part of the orgy-bloodbath is the beginning when homey was taking care of himself then BAM a sword, Liam is worthy
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Don't forget about that snake Ashur who slithered away! He probably had something to do with getting Lucretia all patched up. I think they picked a suitable replacement for Spartacus. I thought the show was going to tank, but the writing and other characters hold their own and that's what makes the show special. Enjoy the carnage everyone!
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I am willing to give Liam a chance because he got quite a big shoe...err sandal to fill.



... favorite moment is when Crixus (or was it Spartacus?) swing the sword and ***** off the guy's ******* while he was ****** then went to **** another guy's ***** then went for the ****

brutal



... i have no idea she would be alive at first, if she remember crixus killing the unborn child then i guess she will remember everything soon enough



... for the moment, Batiatus? even when plan went south, he always found a way to bound back to the top



... Mira....



... defy Crixus....
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Do we really meed to be comparing Liam to Andy. so far all Im hearing is Liam being rubbis hed. Yes I know you all only want Andy to play the Spartacus. No matter who they chose for this part no one is going to be happy. It was either this or stop production of the show altogether. now we dont want that do we.
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Andy will be forever remembered. Liam lacks the physical, acting wise, he's acceptable.

Seems to us that every Roman is a bad ass.

Every fighting ( killing ) scene is enjoyable!

Lucretia will come to her senses, may not have enough backings to plot her own revenge though.

Gauis? Batiatus? no difference, as they are equally BAD! Batiatus a better schemer perhaps.

Mira definitely !

Spartacus. ( limited choice ) :>

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I think Liam lacks the passion. I can't see the emotional pain and strength in him. I think it's because he's not rough looking enough. He does need to hit the gym more to bulk up.
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I was looking for someone who'd say that so I wouldn't have to. That's exactly my greatest complain about Liam. Without getting too much into the physical comparisons (where Andy was incomparably better), I felt like Liam also lacked Andy's intensity, that look in his eyes that if it could, would rip romans hearts through their necks. He was numb and not very intimidating among his peers. Maybe he'll get there in time, but so far i'm missing Andy a lot, may he rest in peace.
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Awesome episode!

I like Liam, but Andy is still fresh in my mind. I will have to watch more and get used to the new face. He did an excellent job though!

Too Many Things going on!

Lucretia!

Spartacus (Liam)
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I am Spartacus!! -Andy Whitfield



(enjoyed this first episode, will keep watching)
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Liam is good. But he needs to hit the gym a bit harder. Andy Whitfield was pretty ripped as Spartacus. Acting wise he is pretty good. The scene where he broke out of his disguise to take on the Romans sold it for me.



None of those moments were my favorite. You can't kill a guy while he is having sex. There are some things you just aren't cool to do and that is one of them.



Lucretia probably will, it will make for a better show. That is if Crixus doesn't get her first, She remembered that well enough. But the scheming by Lucretia in the first season was one of the better aspects of the season. It will however be interesting to see how she will utilize the publics support of her and whom she will slide up against to provide her political and physical protection.



As for adversary, I think neither. One of the problems I had with Batiatus is how could anyone believe him, especially his gladiators. He was slimy and smarmy and a coward and that is good for a villain of the week. But as an adversary I am not sure. He schemed well but in the end he left me wanting for a better villain. Gauis is similar, both are in their station due to their family and whom their daddies were. Gauis as well is a coward he isn't smarmy or scheming because he is rich and an elite and doesn't have to. But is he up to the task to compete with Spartacus, no. He went sword to sword with Spartacus and got cut. If it wasn't for his underlings he only would have had one episode. I would prefer a proper war experienced general who can match him for skill.



But in doing so that would lessen the drama and the show would be just a b level action movie drawn out of several episodes.



Hottest girl, That has to go to Mira, Katrina Law is gorgeous. I have never seen her in another series or movie.



Guy, I don't judge guys.



Great first episode though. I look forward to see how they are going to go about the season.
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Seth you don't have to ask what the favorite part of the orgy-bloodbath scene was. You know it was the "added incentive" provided by the female.



Lucretia will come to her senses soon enough.



No one will ever be a better adversary than Batiatus



MIRA



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"added incentive" Brilliant.



I was wondering how this was going to be phrased! Just made me wince though. I preferred the surprise sword through the throat and near the end when the pro stabbed the hairy guy in the belly - girl power (sort of).
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loved the episode and i think this season is going to be great...but i just cant see him as spartacus.
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