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Suits: The First Annual Pearson-Hardman Popularity Contest

Suits S02E02: “The Choice”

Well, Mike and Rachel broke up. Again. It was a quick turnaround this time, wasn’t it?

And I still don’t care. I didn’t care last season and I don’t care this season. Maybe if Rachel developed a personality that involved more than being happy when she and Mike are together and being grumpy when they aren’t, I could muster up some feelings other than annoyance, but at the moment, I’d rather just go back to Harvey being Harvey and the women on this show who aren’t love interests being awesome.

Daniel Hardman was an invisible force in the Pearson-Hardman offices, renovating some prime office space without Jessica’s approval, swiping her tea set, and sucking up to the underlings with an omelet bar, box seats at a Bruce Springsteen concert, and, in Louis’s case, the perfect gift accompanied by the perfect ego-stoking note.

Jessica picked up on his motives immediately and tasked Harvey with recruiting other departments to join their anti-Hardman cause. Unfortunately, as Donna pointed out, pretty much everyone hates Harvey. I think I would have found someone else to be my right-hand at that point, but Jessica forged ahead and told Harvey to court Paul Porter, head of the bankruptcy department. The problem with making Harvey the head of your campaign for Most Popular Partner is that Harvey himself does not appear to care about popularity. He’s certainly smart enough to realize what Jessica is trying to do—cultivate a stronger following than Daniel Hardman so that when Hardman's coup finally comes, she’ll have enough clout in the office to weather whatever attacks he orchestrates. But ultimately, Harvey Specter sees himself as a moral, generally upstanding guy. He has principles. He wants the best for his clients and he wants them to be happy. He doesn’t particularly care if his co-workers like him and I don’t think he fully understood, at least not at first, that he and Jessica are largely seen as a single unit by the Pearson-Hardman workforce. To cast a vote in Jessica’s favor is to also cast one in Harvey’s favor and therefore, the dislike that so many departments have for Harvey touches Jessica by extension.

Basically, Harvey blew it with Paul Porter.

Harvey blew it, but Harvey also did the right thing. Porter wanted him to get a client to file bankruptcy and implied that he would back Jessica in a Pearson-Hardman showdown if Harvey did it successfully. Instead, Harvey and Mike managed to uncover a bank conspiracy that directly led to the client’s financial ruin and indirectly led to the potential ruin of six other real estate developers. When Harvey and Mike confronted the bank with their findings, the bank reluctantly agreed to renegotiate the loan terms with Porter’s client and everyone won. Awesome, right?

In theory, it was awesome, but Porter was insulted by Harvey’s takeover of the case. He didn’t care that Harvey had gotten the better deal for his client, he cared that Harvey had undermined Porter’s own authority to get it. Office politics: They really bring out the worst in people. Porter jumped on the Daniel Hardman bandwagon, along with what looked like half the office, including Louis Litt.

I figured Louis would jump ship. He’s a slimeball, sure, but his rationale for joining Team Hardman made a great deal of sense. He really is often disrespected and devalued by his peers and from time to time, I’ve debated whether or not it’s warranted. Certainly, Litt is a capable lawyer; otherwise he’d have been cast out a long time ago. In some ways, Harvey and Louis have more in common than they’d probably care to embrace, like two sides of the same coin. They’re both pretty terrible at the office politics game, but Harvey has buckets of charm, wit, and dashing good looks to hide behind. Louis can often be persuaded to do the right thing when pushed and he’s come through for the team more than once. He’s power hungry, as demonstrated by his interactions with the associates, but so far, I don’t believe that we’ve ever really seen him be particularly tyrannical. He’s a hardass, but so is Harvey. Harvey is just more suave about it.

That’s not to say that there is anything particularly heroic about Louis Litt, but I do think that he has been abused from time to time by his co-workers. He knows that he isn’t well-liked, but much like Harvey, he doesn’t particularly care about being the most popular guy in the office. He wants to be respected and valued and eventually, he wants to be in charge. The scene where he considered leaving for another firm cemented my belief that he’s a good lawyer, thanks to his colleague’s flattering words and the fact that he so quickly shelved the plan after receiving Hardman’s gift. Litt’s wounded pride has been festering since Suits' pilot, when Jessica passed him up for promotion and made Harvey a partner instead. Even after that disappointment, he continued to fall all over himself to make Jessica happy, to land in her good graces, to earn the respect and favor that she so often extends to Harvey. But Jessica never seemed capable of dividing her favor between the two men. By the time she went to Louis, which happened only because she saw Harvey’s inability to play nice with Paul Porter for the hamartia that it was, it was too little too late.

Now, none of this changes the fact that Louis IS a creep and every time he tries to get information out of Donna I laugh until it hurts. Her quest to get the Edward Albee tickets from him this week was pretty amazing. Also amazing (and sorely needed) was her reprimand of Mike. Before dumping Rachel for good (yeah right) Mike decided to tell her about his big secret. He went to Harvey for guidance because...I don’t know. I don’t know what would have made him think Harvey would support his decision. Harvey threatened to fire him if he told Rachel. Mike sulked, and Donna called him on it, and pointed out that Harvey put his career and the very foundation of the law firm on the line to protect Mike—which you’d think that Mike would have figured out by now, but I guess he CAN be a little dense sometimes. Mike claimed that he would never be able to date Rachel as long as he felt like he was lying to her and that he would never be able to work with Rachel if he broke up with her. Donna assured him that they WOULD be able to work together, that it would take time and it would suck for a while, but eventually the feelings just “go away.”

Show of hands, who thinks she was talking about Harvey? Yeah, me too. I think we got quite a bit of insight into Harvey’s usually low-key love life and the small reveals were appropriately, well, low-key. Despite Donna talking him down off the ledge, Mike was still understandably upset about breaking up with Rachel and still gave Harvey an earful of angst when Harvey assured him that he's young, that the right woman is still out there. Mike countered that Harvey had been telling himself that platitude for years and would probably keep telling himself that until he was an old man. Way to not be a dick, Mike.

After the words with Mike, Harvey sheepishly returned to Jessica’s office. He had retrieved her stolen tea set as a sort of apology, which she sort of accepted. I always thought that between the Harvey/Donna coupling and the Harvey/Jessica one, Jessica seemed to be the more likely candidate for Harvey Specter’s Great Lost Love and it was telling that he went back to her after arguing with Mike about finding the right woman. Of course, all of this pondering is based on vague and flimsy implications since we never got a name from Donna and certainly, Harvey’s timely return to Jessica could have been coincidence (except that would be disappointing). Frankly, at this point, I’m entertaining the idea that there’s a history with both women and I don’t know that I want a definitive answer. Mike’s love life already takes up more screen time than necessary. I think I’d rather we just kept to the moral dilemmas, hilariously slimy office politics, and awesome women... not including Rachel, who is totally boring.

Case Notes:

– I loved Jessica giving Mike the cold shoulder in the elevator and I love that he corrected himself when he called her “Jessica” instead of “Miss Pearson.” Remember, Mike, being complicit in a potentially career-ending conspiracy does not make you guys best friends.

– “Wow, I smell pheromones in here.” Don’t ever stop being creepy, Louis.

– Okay, so I feel like the case itself was pretty irrelevant to the overall plot of this episode, but did anyone else think that the bank foreclosing on Porter’s client PURELY to get a new HQ building seemed a little humorously super-villianesque? I mean, I hate The Man as much as anyone and I treat Matt Taibbi Rolling Stone articles like divine scripture, but really?

– I‘m loving season 2 so far. How about you?

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Donna and Harvey definitely dated!
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two episodes in it's too early to judge the season. Remember the 4 episode test
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Love the show, watching all of season one back to back, it's brilliant. Question- what's the art work on the walls in their offices, especially Lewis's office. Can't find out anywhere. Does anybody know? X
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Something about Donna's talk with Mike leads me to believe that at some point, she and Harvey had a thing.
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Fun episode. The overarching plot for this season -- Pearson vs Hardman -- was very well conceived and timed. It has really added a fun and interesting aspect to the show, creating a LOT of conflict between all these characters. I figure that's the biggest reason why I'm liking season 2 a lot.



I kinda like Rachel; despite liking Jessica and Donna more as characters, I prefer that she isn't very similar to both/either and I can kinda get behind her role on the show. I'm not usually a fan of the lovey-relationshipy stuff on most shows, but I think it kind of fits in with Suits, particularly if it takes a back seat to the other plots. I'll concede the fact that Meghan Markle's physical attractiveness certainly helps.
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I love the way Harvey, Jessica and Louis is so shark-like. But I also think that Harvey care more for mike than he would admit. And what of Harveys kid brother? since Donna mentioned he was in the hospital, is he dead? So, has mike become Harveys "new" younger brother? HGope they will explain more of Harveys background.
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LOVE this review.



I absolutely adored the episode.It had more screentime for one of my favorite characters (Jessica) and further explored one of the wonderfully complex and thoroughly interesting relationships on the show (Jessica and Harvey.). I'm so glad that I'm not the only one who finds them utterly fascinating. I cannot find the appropriate words to sum up their relationship. It's so wonderfully ambiguous. Between them there is a mutual trust and understanding that is so unlike the other relationships of this show. There is a reverence that Harvey has for Jessica, a fondness, an unshakeable loyalty that is almost unheard of. They have a little sexual tension in there somewhere but it's so beyond that. I think that is essentially what makes their relationship so fascinating to me, it isn't "will they won't they" potential lovers, it isn't merely a best friend ordeal, or just a mentor/mentee ordeal either. It's something in it's own category.



I LOVED the scenes they had together because it gave further insight into something that has been alluded to here and there since the pilot. I understood Jessica's need for Harvey to work with her. He's her person. He's the only one that she trusts. He's her investment, her protege, the one person she knows will have her back. There is a partnership thing that they have going on that is so telling of highly she regards him...as an equal "Never let the kids know that Mommy and Daddy are fighting" means she separates him from the rest of the kids.I think they've had an inexplicale and unshakeable bond ever since the moment she plucked him out of the mailroom and decided to pay his way through law school. I think in this episode we really got to see that Harvey knows how "special" he is to her...and he inadvertently took advantage of it. He knows she wouldn't actually be able to fire him, he knows that she needs him. Such an interesting relationship between those two, being reliant on each other and vulnerable to each other but not in any of the traditional senses on tv. He respects her immensely and yet simultaneously takes advantage of and disregards her and I was pleased when Mike pointed that out to Harvey. He seemingly wasn't aware of it.



Donna is awesome. Every episode starts off with me saying that. I was also pleased that she called Mike out on his BS. Harvey was willing to risk everything to protect Mike and that (lovable) nimrod is so oblivious to what's going on around him. He's standing on a mine in the middle of a battleground, staring at a picture of his gf of the week, none the wiser of the dangers surrounding him and the powerplays happening. Thankfully Donna called him out on it. I love that Donna and Harvey are like Mike's older siblings. I also seen Donna and Harvey as having a sibling type of relationship. I know last season they pretty much started implying that she had other feelings towards him at one point or another and this week it was brought up again...which is fine. I just think the non romantic relationships between these dynamic male and female characters is infinitely more interesting than any romantic one. Especially with Harvey. His relationship with Donna is somewhat different than with Jessica but it definitely has it's own appeal...that I like,as is. It's like he has two work wives both of an awesome caliber, whom he's loyal to and whom are loyal to him...almost to a fault. And kudos for Jessica and Donna finally sharing some screentime together again. If only briefly. They should interact more. Those women are awesome. In fact I agree with the reviewer if half the screentime Rachel gets...is eased on over to those two women I'd be on a comfier cloud in Suits heaven.



I love to loathe Louis. I understand his position as far as feeling like he's playing second fiddle to Harvey. I think those two had an exchange last season that implied just that...

Harvey: Afraid Mom will pick my side?

Louis: I know she will.

I understand how a guy in Louis' position would easily be lead astray...or side with Hardman, but he does bring a lot of that upon himself. He doesn't know how to play the man. He can't schmooze people. And as great as he is, his moral ground and sense of values are a bit murky. I'd be hesitant to consider him trustworthy or loyal too if I were Jessica. Especially when Harvey not only has the morals and values that suggest he is both, but has a history with her and a sense of duty because of what she did for him.



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The real reason he broke up with her isn't that "it's the right thing to do". It's that it makes the second season more like the first. This is the USA network, where things never really change.
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I can't believed I watched a whole season and then two more episodes without ever realizing that they're named Mike ROSS & RACHEL Zane. I wonder if this is just a coincidence or a deliberate reference to Friends.
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I can agree with most of what you say other than the absurd defense of Louis. Yes, he's mocked by others, and he's obviously Harvey's foil, but feeling sorry for him is just ridiculous. He has been passed over, and although Jessica says it's simply because Harvey is more valuable right now, the undercurrent is that when the chips are down, Jessica knows she can trust Harvey, and when the chips are down, Louis is likely to steal the chips.

He's completely amoral, and the only thing he values is himself. You mentioned that he has been "persuaded to do the right thing" but only when the "right thing" forwards his own agenda. And I disagree with saying he's never been particularly tyrannical. His treatment of the associates, and especially Mike, has been exactly that.



In the end, Louis hasn't been abused, he's simply been rejected...by people with a discerning nature who know either consciously or unconsciously that he's a snake. But if you want to, MaryAnn, you can keep trying to polish that turd.
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the undercurrent is that when the chips are down, Jessica knows she can trust Harvey, and when the chips are down, Louis is likely to steal the chips.

He's completely amoral, and the only thing he values is himself. You mentioned that he has been "persuaded to do the right thing" but only when the "right thing" forwards his own agenda. And I disagree with saying he's never been particularly tyrannical. His treatment of the associates, and especially Mike, has been exactly that.



In the end, Louis hasn't been abused, he's simply been rejected...by people with a discerning nature who know either consciously or unconsciously that he's a snake.



-that was all dead on. Completely agree!
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First off, any other show would have Mike / Rachel date without letting any of their colleagues know, their office flirtations are beyond obvious so of course Harvey called them on it. (and being a guy, i don't mind Rachel boringness).

Of course Harvey did the right thing with his client but Porter is your typical world weary, downtrodden guy looking to the devil (Hardman) to give his life meaning again. It's just a shame real-life lawyers resemble him more than Harvey.

Louis Litt is a slime ball and I was entertained by his interactions with Donna this episode (I am a fan of any scene with her in as she's awesome) but at the same time i can't help feeling that he is the other side of the coin as opposed to Harvey in that he might surprise everyone by backing him and Jessica. I don't know.

Looking forward to more next week. :-)
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I can't help but sit back and admire the casting job that was done for this show. Amazing!



I disagree on Rachel. If you don't remember, this was almost a season in the making. I shouted "Yes!" just before Mike did after he kissed her. I also can appreciate him wanting to be honest with her, but..... after just one real date? And couldn't he have just dated her anyway, so that when or if it ever came out, just beg forgiveness at that point in time? (Maybe that speaks to my lack of a moral code, but whatevs...) :)
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I have to think that Mike has used up his "beg forgiveness" card by this point.
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The cast is fantastic. It's rare that I can watch a show (and I watch plenty) and can say that I enjoy each and every cast member. I can say that about Suits. So well cast...can't imagine anyone else playing any of these roles.
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I love the Mike and Rachel aspect!! The first five minutes made the whole first season worth it! And the last 5 minutes killed...sigh. I happen to think Rachel is awesome. I mean, not Donna awesome, but pretty cool I'm hoping for some awkward sexual tension in the next few episodes!
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VERY strong start to season 2!



I completely agree with Mate, Louis wasn't the right type of character to be the opposing force to Jessica and Harvey. The first seasons main conflict primarily revolved around Mike's secret, and while that was okay for a time, I wanted the stakes to be higher for season 2.



The introduction of Hardman is a perfect move for this show. He is a welcome addition that will no doubt bring more conflictory fireworks to Suits. Now it's all out war and Mike, Harvey (Donna by extension) and Jessica's fates are ALL on the line.



Higher Stakes - DELIVERED!



*I* don't find Rachel to be boring. Maybe that's because I'm a guy and she's gorgeous, so my threshold for her corresponding boringness is higher. Yeah, that's probably it.



In closing, I will NEVER get tired of Harvey closing. BAMF indeed, ral4884.
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I agree with mostly everything.....Fringe we actually agree on something this time...lol If you have good taste like this maybe i should go back and give fringe another chance. I only watched the first 3 episodes of fringe and wasnt big on it.
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The first season of Fringe was too network-friendly. It shouldn't even count.
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Harvey Specter is a badass. Plain and simple. LOVE that man to pieces!



Season 2 is off to a great start. I never seen Louis as an opposing force...was he meant to be one? I don't even know if he was meant to be one.
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I was just agreeing with Mate's statement. He never could have been one, nor was he ever meant to be one. He only served as a thorn in Mike's side. Season two needed a bigger bad. Cue the introduction of Hardman.
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Oh! I was just curious...I didn't know if you guys were saying he was supposed to be "the big bad" for season 1 or not. I mean I agree with you both regarding that..just thought I was missing something. Now I'm rambling. I'm shutting up now. Nevermind me.
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Only started watching this show like a week ago.....its awesome. me and my gf watched season 1 marathon style...Must say Harvy Spector is one of the most badass characters on tv right now. Love that guy total BAMF. 1st two episodes of season 2 were just as good. Hope this shows on a long time....
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I am happy with the way things are progressing on the show. Though I like Louis, he wasn't a strong enough big bad for the show. He however could be the big bad's right hand man. The overall story arc of the battle between jessica and hardmann is a welcome addition to the show. Mike and Rachel are going to have to be apart, but seriously, it is kind of an unnecessary drama because I don't think she would run and tell anyone. It just wouldn't fit with her character. but conflict is needed for mike more than the whole will everyone find out that I am a fraud kind of a thing. So it is understandable that they would add a will they won't they kind of a thing.



Jessica's story I think is the weakest part. Once She didn't can Harvey for hiring and threatening to leave if Mike left. She lost the power she has/ had over him. He is her equal if not her better because she needs him more than he needs her. There needs to be something further in her story or backstory to make her more relevant other than she is a partner and knows Mike's secret. That is the only part that is really lacking in such a well written story.



Thank you for more Donna. Donna is a great character, I do think her and Harvey had a thing and it ended and is why she has his number so much.



Overall season 2 is shaping up to be fantastic. After Burn Notice's episode last night it is my new number 2 in regards to USA shows... Pysch being number 1.
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I'm loving the battle drawn between Hardman and Jessica.



Huh, I don't think Jessica's story is the weakest. I think if anything it's adding layers to her. The first season was dedicated to keeping this huge secret. It was a great run and exciting but the effects of the secret being exposed were downplayed. I think this season it's huge and Jessica plays a huge part in that. The strong dynamic between Harvey and Jessica meant that her finding out what happen is almost the ultimate betrayal...and it keeps coming out in bits and pieces but they have something much bigger looming over them and can't deal with it directly. Harvey's strongest relationships are with the two strongest women of the series, Donna and Jessica. Based on everything that has been eluded to here and there, those are probably the only two people who know the most about him, the good, the bad, and the ugly...not just the charming facade he puts up for show. Jessica's story seems pretty strong to me...the tense relationship she could have with Harvey who is her protege...her Mike. I mean the cyclical nature of those relationships is enough to be dynamic...what Mike is to Harvey is equivalent to what Harvey is to Jessica. Also the position she could find herself in...or not in with Hardman around could change everything. I do think Jessica and Harvey are equals...but I also think they need each other, their relationship isn't one sided at all, and she still has a power over him...otherwise he wouldn't feel so compelled to get back into her good graces. He values people whom he cares about and has a loyalty to and his reverence for Jessica, and loyalty to her, and debt is the power she has over him, just like he has a power over her.
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So far, so good. I like the overarching conflict of season 2 (Pearson v. Hardman) because it it really could go either way, the tension feels real.



I have said it before and I will say it again, let's put the love triangle to rest. I can't imagine that there are many people invested in Rachel and Mike's love life, truthfully Rachel is either Lunesta personified or completely insufferable. And Mike's decision to share his secret with yet another person is ridiculous. His best friend just betrayed him, and Rachel wouldn't talk to him when she found out he took the LSAT for people, how she would react to find out he was a fraud? Probably not well.
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I agree that there's history between Donna and Harvey - but that it's the "I've always secretly kinda wanted to spend a month nailing my drop-dead handsome boss until both our heads explode, and who by the way also GETS me" type of history - not the "did they or didn't they, will they or won't they, should they or shouldn't they" type.



As far as Harvey and Jessica goes ... I think Jessica is the only person in the world who he sees as a true equal in the brains and guts department. People like Harvey and Jessica LONG to find another one of their species; when you spend most of your time around people who simply don't think at the speed you do, you grab on to things like this with both hands.



Now, Mike ... Mike, to Harvey, has the POTENTIAL to be his equal - WITH his guidance. And the fact that Mike's not afraid to get in Harvey's face from time to time THRILLS Harvey; it's one of the reasons he didn't let Jessica fire him.



If i were Jessica, I would be making contingency plans in the back of my mind for what happens if she loses the managing partner position; and, since she has already exhibited Patton-like traits in her dealings with her underlings, she should be planning on taking Harvey, Mike, and Donna with her. I mean - she has already said that she should give Donna a raise, right?



Why not plan for the possibility that she'll have to go off and start her own firm? Lawyers - especially the best ones - do that eventually, anyway. It's part of their DNA to be NUMERO UNO.



And does anyone think a firm with Jessica and Harvey as partners, along with Mike, Donna, and (possibly) Rachel would mow down any and all competition? LET Hardman have his spot back; the REAL victory would be in leaving to start their own firm, kicking Hardman's butt as competitors, and watching Lewis come to them afterward, hat in hand, to ask for a job afterward.



Let Donna do the interview ... THAT would be an Emmy-award scene!!
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So agree with all of that!



I do think the Donna/Harvey stuff is one sided. I think she had an interest in him back when they were at the DA's office together, but perhaps she picked up that it would never go further. Friend zoned, so to speak. Harvey doesn't scream monogamy and if she valued him so much (which clearly she does) she'd rather be his friend (and employee) than not in his life at all.Makes sense.



That is exactly what Harvey likes about Mike. He brings out better parts of Harvey and he isn't afraid to challenge him. I find the irony of the hierarchy in that place amusing. Mike is to Harvey what Harvey is to Jessica...and Harvey is slowly realizing that. I think that's part of why Jessica caved on the canning thing so easily. It wasn't just that it would look bad, but she could never bring herself to fire Harvey anyways and seeing that Harvey (the guy that always claims to not care) had that same sentiment about Mike was amusing and sort of poetic justice. Harvey now knows what it's like for Jessica dealing with him and that makes both sets of relationships even more interesting as they progress. This episode was an example of that...Donna knocked sense into Mike, Mike sulked but knocked some sense into Harvey, who went back and made amends with Jessica.



And yes...Donna, Mike, Harvey, Jessica...and sure, okay Rachel should all have their own firm somewhere and be just awesome!
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I'm with Mike on this one. Telling yourself there is plenty of time and choosing work over romance is a path to an empty life, which Harvey is currently leading. In this case, Mike is wise beyond his years and Harvey is trying to pass on his mistakes to the next generation.
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I'm not sure that I necessarily agree with you - Harvey made a hard, difficult choice between Mike and the firm; all he really did was ask Mike to do the same. He KNEW that if Mike told Rachel everything, no matter what else happened, his career in the law would be destroyed (along with the firm; ALL of the cases Mike's touched would have been reviewed, sued over ... it would be a MESS), and Harvey knows ONE thing about Mike - he loves his job as much as Harvey does.



So, he asked/told Mike to choose ... as hard as it was to do. Harvey doesn't have an "empty" life - he's doing what he loves to do, he is successful at it, he has a real friend/partner in Jessica, he found and kept Mike ... he has Donna .... what's "empty" about all that?



Harvey proved in this episode that he's exactly like one of his heroes, Captain Kirk, in one important regard: he will do what he thinks is right, even if it may hurt the people close to him, or himself, in the process.



You gonna respect that about the man.
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I understood completely where Harvey was with the Mike/Rachel thing. That was a tough one because in both instances they both were right. I mean Mike's decision was moral and good and you feel bad saying he's wrong for wanting to be honest about that. However Harvey was right too. I was inclined to agree with Harvey. Honestly Mike could have still dated rachel for all I really cared, but exposing that secret at that particular time...no. No way. There is too much at risk now and too much going on for him to jeopardize so many by being that honest with a girl whom he has a floundering relationship with at best. Harvey put his neck on the line and is fighting more than one battle and still trying to protect Mike and Mike considering ruining all of that is slap in the face to harvey regardless of his good intentions.
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Well, one of the things we learned is that he doesn't really "have" Donna. Not the way he's supposed to. And no, don't have to respect that, loyalty to principles over people is not necessarily a good thing. Loyalty to your job or your principles is loyalty misplaced.
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I meant that he has Donna in a "she's loyal to him and has his back" way; not any other way.



Loyalty to principles over people is not necessarily a good thing? Wow ... that's .. interesting. In my experience, people come and go - but if you have principles, and you live your life by them; you'll be much better off. Loyalty to principles is EVERYTHING - and the people who respect and love you, IF they truly respect and love you, will understand that.



But that's just me.
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You think loyalty stops at consequences? If it did it wouldn't be loyalty at all.
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You realize, of course, that you've just admitted to conspiracy to commit murder after the fact, right?



I mean, in case your best friend ever kills someone and needs to hide the body.



At the very least, you're the 2nd person of interest in the police investigation afterward - just by making that statement in the one venue where statements like that never go away.



He (or she) might be your best friend, pal, but that ain't gonna keep you out of the big house.



You might wanna rethink the concepts of principles and loyalty just a little more ... is all I'm saying.
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Oh, there would be conditions to the assistance; no telling, ever, because there's probably no statute of limitations to accessory after the fact. That's where Harvey cocked up. He put himself on the line without telling Mike or gettng Mike's agreement, and assumed that the implications of that deal would be the same to both Mike and to him. That was dumb.
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LOL! You are surely an awesome friend Saf!



So from another perspective, if your best friend told you to lie to your gf to protect you both would you do it? If so is that loyalty to the principle of...well loyalty or is that loyalty to a person? Essentially Harvey requested that Mike be loyal to him and by extension Jessica. Yes, the firm too, but I took at as more of a personal than professional given their relationship. Loyal to the guy that gave you the opportunity of the lifetime and looked out for you since then...and the woman who didn't take it away, versus the sometimes flaky, sometimes shifty girl you may or may not have a long term relationship with.

Let's stick with this body disposal. Say your bf whom you helped bury a dead body for, suddenly decides after getting engaged to his fiancee that he wants to wipe his conscience clean and tell her about the late night illicit activity you guys were partaking in many moons ago. Eh she works at a police station but that's beside the point. Loyalty to people may get you a decade in the clinker...loyalty to your principles of not burying bodies means you're not sharing a communal bathroom.



You know I love playing devil's advocate. I technically agree with you both...within reason. : )
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I'm just saying, if my best friend needs to dispose of a body, I'm there. Principles be damned.
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That was a great episode and a great review, Lily. Love Harvey and the mystery surrounding his personal life and I'd rather wait for his background story to be revealed gradually, although I'm dying to know more! I'm glad Harvey acted against Jessica's wishes and I know they'll find a way to mend their relationship and take down Hardman together.

Rachel is totally blah, and I couldn't care less about her relationship with Mike. And Mike seriously needs to adjust his attitude toward Harvey.

As for potential Harvey/ Donna pairing, I am absolutely against. It'd be totally clich and I'd rather see her with Louis. I think Jessica and Harvey have no romantic past, and although I can see the allure of them as a couple, I want them to remain professional.
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Lily... lol
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Personally I think that everything in this show is great including Rachel!!! I think she is exactly who she has to be and that is not BORING AT ALL!!! I believe that the variety of characters makes this show great. I strongly believe that Rachel and Mike are going to end up together, it's inevitable...It's chemistry. I don't believe that Rachel should be more "Bad ass" because Mike is not either. Harvey needs a bad ass woman...Like Donna...Not Jessica. Harvey and Jessica is more like Harvey and his mother, something there but it's not love definitely! At least I think so...

Luis is amazing I can't stop laughing. Love that character very much!

2 season is GREAT i never want it to end!
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Mike's urgency to tell his big secret to Rachel was really contrived: come on, one date and he needs to tell her? That made no sense to me. Plus, why didn't anyone point out that it was selfish to put her in a situation where she'd be complicit to such a lie? None of it made sense to me ... Otherwise a pretty decent ep esp. Hardman plotting behind the scenes...
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Yes. The protection clause. That's why I would have fully supported Mike still dating rachel and not telling her what was going on. His argument being, he was protecting her during the most vulnerable time for them all at Pearson Hardman. I also wondered why Harvey didn't play that card with Jessica with the Mike fiasco.
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Calling it now. Louis will become a spy for Pearson. He may play ball with Hardman right now but by the end of the season he'll have some sort of epiphany and swap back to the Pearson side in some sort of elegant tv twist. Or he'll have been working for Pearson the whole time.
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I don't see it. Double-agent sure, but only swapping sides because it serves his own agenda.
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That would be AWESOME!
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I think if the writers made Rachel more of a Bad Ass like Donna or JP, i'd like her more. But now she's all "woe is me, he won't be with me!" Too irritating. That's why I DVR this and fast forward through those scenes. SEASON 2 IS THE BEST!!
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I like Donna and JP more than Rachel, and sometimes I feel kinda bored with the whole Mike-Rachel thing, but I wouldn't want Rachel to be like them. Yes, at the moment, she's kinda just another office girl for a lead to have a rocky relationship with, but I think I also appreciate the fact that she's not like them.
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As much as I get annoyed by Rachel. And I do...a lot. I don't know if I'd like it if she was just as badass as Donna and Jessica. Too much overstepping or something.
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Well if Rachel were as badass as Donna or Jessica, she'd have put on her big girl panties and attacked her LSATs again, and she'd be well on her way to being an associate instead of a paralegal.
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