Supergirl "Fight or Flight" Review: Nobody Save Me

Supergirl S01E03: "Fight or Flight"


When Supergirl was hammering home the show's girl power theme in the pilot, I found it necessary and not overbearing. Highlighting and bolding up front what the show stood for was the right decision, and attempting to get out ahead of the inevitable wave of criticism was a smart move, too. But "Fight of Flight" was only the show's third episode and I'm already growing a bit weary of the writers violently beating us over the head with the same message in a different font. Supergirl could benefit greatly from showing Kara overcoming the obstacles put in her path rather than telling us yet again why she's doing this and why it is so important that she do it. The longer this goes on, the more reactive and defensive the show appears, when it should be shooting to remain proactive.

Adding to the show's insistence on painting everything with a heavy hand this week was the fact that the overall message running through "Fight or Flight"—that Kara should be defined by her victories and losses and not by her relationship to Superman or his actions—was mostly just an extension or even a rehashing of the theme from last week. You could say that "Stronger Together" was about Kara's perception of herself and less about Kara worrying about the public's perception of her as a hero, and you wouldn't be wrong, but there was still enough overlap that it drove me slightly batty to watch her fight so adamantly against asking her cousin for help in defeating Reactron. Just last week she was championing teamwork and knowing when to ask for help, and considering Superman's history with Reactron, he could have been an asset. 

I absolutely understand Kara's desire to kick ass on her own and be valued for what she brings to the table, and I absolutely think Kara needs to prove that she is every bit the hero that Clark is, but this wasn't the best way to go about it. Comparisons to Superman are never going to stop for the simple reason that he is Superman and he was there first, and the harder the show pushes back, the louder the comparisons will become. In a way, Supergirl is undermining its own agenda by routinely being the one to draw parallels to the talented Man of Steel. 

Within the show's world, the comparisons were always going to be unavoidable, especially in the wake of Kara accidentally outing to Cat that Supergirl and Superman were cousins, but in our world, if the show wants viewers to stop comparing the two Kryptonians—which yes, at least part of the reason we're still doing this dance is to prove that there's not only room for a female-led superhero show but that Supergirl is the right gal for the job—then at some point the show will need to stop reminding us of the guy's presence. Alternately, it'd be a misstep to ignore the character and his relationship with Kara completely, so the job becomes finding a happy medium. My hope is that once Supergirl (and Supergirl) becomes more established this problem will resolve itself.

All of that being said, Supergirl appears, from what little we've seen of it so far, to be a very self-aware show. It knows the criticisms it faces, and it voices them through Kara's insecurities and inadequacies before striking them down through the use of Cat's pointed assertions. And the exposé Cat wrote could have worked to sell those inadequacies without James calling Clark for help and Kara telling James that his actions made her feel like he didn't believe in her. Kara's fears are real, so the show should treat them like they're real and not like they have to do this just to check off boxes on a checklist. Backtracking James' decision so that it highlighted his own insecurities rather than Kara's also felt like a bit of a misstep because it was played for swooning purposes instead of character development. I like swooning and I am all for the swooning but I'm just not sure how I felt about it here.

Also falling into that camp was Cat's interview with Supergirl that kicked off the episode. Cat threw in a question about whether Supergirl had given any thought to starting a family, which was another jab at the different expectations society has for women than men, as well as the standards to which we hold them. However, the fact that Cat Grant, a successful head of a media corporation, asked that particular question left a sour taste in my mouth. I want to believe that it was the show's way of acknowledging that sexism happens between women and our gender is not entirely blameless in the fight against inequality (and if you think sexism doesn't creep into even the most basic of interviews, please do an internet search on the topic), but that feels too much like a stretch. More than likely it was just the show's way of putting Kara on the path to wanting to be viewed as an equal to Superman.

I know Supergirl is on at 8pm on CBS, and I know that it's aimed at a young impressionable audience, but the writers should have a little more faith in the show's viewers and believe that they're capable of coming to some of these same basic conclusions on their own. By pushing the topic so hard, it's already beginning to overshadow the rest of the show, which ultimately risks alienating viewers. There was a single moment in "Fight or Flight" that felt genuine, and it was the episode's closing moments in which Kara and Alex bonded over their delivery. It felt like a real moment between sisters, and that is what the show should focus on. The show is already fighting an uphill battle, and front-loading the girl power agenda isn't going to get us there any quicker.



SUPER-POWERED EXTRAS

– Yuck Millennial Falcon yuck.

– Melissa Benoist continues to be a dream. She really makes Kara.

– Winn still feels like Cisco 2.0, especially now that they've got a secret HQ (office, whatever). This bothers me because I want Winn to be his own character. However, I really love Cisco sooooo? 

– Winn knows Clark's secret because James has some loose lips. Maybe the fact that James is a HORRIBLE SECRET KEEPER is the real reason he's in National City. Maybe Clark was like GTFO of Metropolis, man! Or maybe not because Clark is equally bad considering he openly talked about being Superman in an instant message on Kara's WORK COMPUTER.

– Alex and Kara are Homeland fans. I mean, you couldn't have picked a better show from the CBS/The CW/Showtime family? 

– I am LOVING Peter Facinelli as Maxwell Lord. Love. Love. Love.

– I'm not sure where I fall on the Hank Henshaw stuff yet.

– Jenna Dewan-Tatum arrived this week in the form of Lucy Lane a.k.a. James' ex. It feels a little early to be converting this blossoming love triangle to a love rhombus, but we'll see how it goes.


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Nov 16, 2015
Ok, just assume, that the Chat was encrypted. I think Superman would think of it..
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Nov 14, 2015
Three meh episodes in a row. What a shame. So much potential wasted. Will check back in near the finale and see how it's progressed.
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Nov 13, 2015
3 episodes down....Notes from ' Keeping up withe Kryptonians'
(1) So Clark secret identity easily leaked by his "friend"..YIKES
(2) Clark saves Kara..(this scene irked me the most..they just spent 10 minutes on how Clark is not needed
(3) Girlpower!-The TV Series.... Why didn't they just name show that?
(4) The Battles are still weak..If this series survives this season..the Stunt Coordinating/CGI/Special Efffets needs a complete overhaul next year...
(5) just cast Clark already.The writers drop his name so much..put him on the damn show at least for S1..then he can disappear (mysteriously of course)
(6) Clark Kent messaging about hero stuff on a work computer?? CMON MAN..AUTOMATIC EYE ROLL!!!
Grade for this episode=C-/D+_( there was some positive in this episode, Couple of one liners,Maxwell Lord, scene at the end with the sisters.. for instance..but the NEGATIVES are torture
**Maybe a Smallville approach would have been a better option..Learning to use her powers as a teenager, wouldn't be as strong, just trying to make though high school...etc..
I'm grasping at straws here..this show could be so much better...
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Nov 12, 2015
Loved this episode...Supergirl really had to proof that she could do it on her own without her big famous cousin...who annoyingly helped her out....
Loved the whole new area at her workplace...but reminded me of Felicity from Arrow or Cisco from Flash...
James, annoys me like hell...what the hell is he doing in the show anyway...go away go back to Metropolis with your stupid watch..
Such a big guy and needs to push a S button when he feels scared...well great..do it somewhere else....
Loved loved the scene when Cat wrote her story and Kara kinda told her in her own way, that it was crap...hahahahahahahahahaha
the whole sisterbonding thing, nicely done...it makes her more human and corky..without pretending...with Clark it was also a sort of pretend...
Love the show! Keep up the good work...!!
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Nov 12, 2015
Okay, so Supergirl must have the same sorta word quota to meet for "cousin" that Arrow has for "city". It would make an excellent drinking game. Everytime someone says the word "cousin" take a shot.
"Keeping Up with the Kryptonians" hahahaha I'd watch it
Dr. Pepper product placement.
I was very happy with the instant messaging between Clark and Kara in this episode! Throughout the first two episodes it was really bothering me that Clark and Kara didn't seem to have any contact at all. He didn't call, he didn't write. We're talking about two people with superspeed and the power of flight here, and they can't swing by for a little one on one convo? It was bothering me alot, so I'm glad to see some contact here. I get that the show doesn't want to cast/show Superman onscreen, but I'll happily settle for a few emails now and then or maybe even a one-sided phone call, just to keep things a bit more realistic.
Interested in the introduction of Lucy Lane to the show as well as Jenna Dewan-Tatum to the cast. I haven't seen the character since season 4 of Smallville (when she caused about as much trouble as you may expect from a Lane). Hope she sticks around for awhile.
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Nov 11, 2015
"Keeping Up with the Kryptonians"
"and a Dr. Pepper. That last one's for me. I'm thirsty."
Clark instant messaging like a boss!
I felt for Reactron!
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Nov 11, 2015
I literally came here to comment this exact thing. Looks like you beat me to it haha.
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Nov 11, 2015
If Winn is such a Felicity / Cisco-level computer whiz, why in the heck is he working a lame desk job at CatCo? And where did he get the money for all the super high-tech equipment in the primo office that somehow no one will ever notice they are using? BTW, that looks like some pretty sophisticated software he's running. Is that openware? Awesome. Can anyone just download that? And how do you task a computer to scan the city for some type of anomaly, don't you need some type of gov't-grade satellite or something with sensors (at least as far as television is concerned)? And hey, like no one will ever notice them all sneaking off from their desks for for some daily superheroing? Kara would be fired in a hot second with a boss as demanding as Cat Grant.
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Nov 12, 2015
Totally right. Clark always had a good excuse to disappear: he was a reporter and was hunting for news. Kara, on the other hand, has to be on-call 27/7to attend to Cat's particular whims.
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Nov 12, 2015
How did Phillip J Fry survive cryo-genic freezing when the whole city was leveled by aliens like ........ 10 times!?
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Nov 12, 2015
Old New York was heavily damaged by Bender in 2308, but several buildings survived such as The Statue of Liberty, the Empire State Building and Applied Cryogenics. New New York was later built on top of the ruins and incorporated many of these buildings, but some of the ruins of Old New York still exists underneath, incorporating a labyrinth of sewers and sub-sewers that serve as the city home of the sewer mutants (including Leela's parents). You could also argue that the Nibblonians (the oldest known race in existence) played a role in protecting frozen Fry (Nibbler originally pushed him in to the cryogenic chamber, then after traveling back to stop it, Fry pushes himself in). The Nibblonians believed Fry to be the most important person in the universe and key to winning the war against their ancient nemesis, the Brain Spawn. Thanks to being his own grandfather, Fry lacks the Delta Brain Wave that the Brain Spawn use to detect and control all sentient life, making him the ultimate weapon against them as they can neither see nor detect him. Plus, it's a cartoon.
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Nov 12, 2015
I was referring to the episode where they accidentally traveled forward in time to the end of the universe and it showed it getting leveled by spaceships and rebuilt multiple times but I can buy that Nibbler played a hand in protecting him.
Supergirl is basically a live action cartoon.
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Nov 12, 2015
Really wish there was an edit button - seamster, not the female-specific seamstress. Apologies.
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Nov 12, 2015
Yes, but that was for the entire history (and 2nd re-history) of the universe. In the 1000 years that Fry was frozen, Old New York was only (mostly) leveled once.

Origins of the story aside, this Supergirl is grounded in some semblance of reality (normal 21st century life; social media; people watching Homeland and drinking Johnny Walker Blue), which helps to balance out some of the more fantastical aspects of the show (super powers; alien-fighting covert military groups; blurry Calista Flockhart face). So yeah, while I'm willing to allow for the D.E.O. and aliens with powers (and fuzzy shots of Cat Grant), I have a hard time allowing for regular co-worker guy with a crush is suddenly also a seamstress and super-secret tech genius with unlimited resources, access to spy satellites, and an office that Cat Grant's company owns, yet no one but them will ever go in. Or that people wouldn't notice how Supergirl keeps emerging from Kara's balcony every day. Maybe it's a weird place to draw a line, but I have.
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Nov 12, 2015
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Nov 12, 2015
To me it's a live action light-hearted coming-of-age action drama.
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Nov 12, 2015
Wow, remind me not to try to win a debate with you if it's about Futurama... You seem to know a great deal about it.
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Nov 12, 2015
Not sure that's something to be proud of, but thanks. :)
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Nov 12, 2015
Futurama was a cartoon and a comedy.
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Nov 11, 2015

This episode felt a little off for me. As @Kaitlin pointed it out they insisted too much on the "girlpower" and after saying last week that the team was important playing alone wasn't really smart... I understand why she want to be recognize for herself but their is a limit.

And I don't know if it came from the acting, the writing or me but when Kara arrived on the bus scene or in Lord office after the kidnapping well it was weird, Kara's reaction or the people reaction toward her.

On an other side I can't really separate Supergirl from Smallville. I know it's 2 complete different shows except the fact they are evolving around the same universe but it is hard not to do comparison between the 2. Like for example in Smallville Kara arrived on earth long before Clark was an adult and a lot of other things.

Anyway it was a C+ for me this week.
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Nov 11, 2015
So now I know how to avoid a sparkling power cable to be dangerous for anyone, just bent it until it cracks and then it is safe... duh..... Lame, writers, really lame.

I like this show, it has potential, but the writers should not go easy on thinking of excitement. We (viewers) are spoiled. We know what is possible in tv-land, so come up with a bit more exciting fights and/or rescues.
I just read about a 23% drop in the ratings so now would be a good time to step up and make this show better.
But the writers probably don't read this... :-(

It is fun to see how Kara develops her powers. It would be strange if she immediately knew how things work. That only happens to villains.
I'm still wondering who the black dude with the red glowing eyes really is.
One scene with Supergirl and Superman sitting somewhere on the top a nice mountain with a great view and talking about their jobs would be a nice addition to the show. I find it very strange he does his best to avoid face to face contact with his niece.
I'll bet if they ask Henry Cavill to do this scene he would do it although with his star-status that would probably take all the shows budget, but still, it would be nice.
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Nov 11, 2015
Oh I totally forgot the cable thing, yeah that was a bit easy not to say totally stupid :D.
Hank Henshaw, Alex's boss is a martian. At least that was the case in Smallville, the guy with the red eyes was from Mars.
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Nov 11, 2015
I didn't like this episode but I liked the first 2 so I still have hopes. I hate when characters are stupid. How could James betray Clark's secret? How could Clark and Kara think it was a good idea to have a very explicit chat in a corporative computer? It seems that Clark's secret would have been easily discovered years ago if someone tried to, as he sucks to keep secrets.
Maxwell Lord is a bastard, he should have at least said something about Supergirl.
The interview was awful but I am not angry a powerful journalist asked the "family" questions, because she wanted to sell more journals and people still is interested in those things.
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Nov 11, 2015
I'll probably watch this only on certain cases but overall.

This sums up my impressions: I feel like the show is I'm not living up to my potential.

I've seen all the episodes so far and mixed feelings okay leaning towards dislike.

The show is light and preppy which is good with the dark serious shows out there now but ITS NOT STANDING ON ITS OWN.

Obviously, being supergirl you have to draw some things from the superman myth but as this show has been pounding on our heads its HER story; but they keep pulling things that make me think its superman with Boobs.

My first issue is with the villains:
First is her aunt General wtv. The first reference to her was as the "General" first thing that came to mind Zod. As far as I know the aunt is a new character so at the very least they should have called her "The Warden" or something new.

Two the aunt comes in head on no subterfuge They should have gone for a little cunning. She could have introduce herself as mom a surprise stab in the back on Kara for the Finale.

Now we have Maxwell Lord its like Lex Luthor with hair. (I don't know him but he is likely a second villain for the show. So I have him here) He was way to eager to fix reactrons suit.)

Second issue: Emerging Bad guy plot has one serious flaw Superman.
This my problem with shared universes. Like I have with Flash/arrow how easily would Raz have been taken out by Barry Last season since Barry basically knocked everybody out in Nanda Parvat. In the same way why doesn't superman be on call when Kara needs help since General what her name is has an army of super powered aliens that the Big S will have to deal with.

The idea I have would have been:
1. to Intro Clark here and watch him and his alter ego get stabbed in the back by Auntie and her alien goon squad and he lapses into a coma,
2. Trapped him in the Phantom Zone or drop it that Superman has Vanished from Metropolis and Kara eventually finds him as the aliens prisoner.

Basically to take Superman out of the equation completely.

My issue with this episode was Kara's insecurity or arrogance that she's mad at people for calling in her cousin. To a degree I get why she's like that but either that or your dead.

The fights feel like something from power rangers. They are Kryptonians they should have copied a few things from the Originals Klaus and Hayley fight.

The characters are okay Melissa Benoist and the rest of the cast great. Though I question Jimmy Olsons place in the story. I don't think he has chemistry with Kara for love triangle and sometimes he doesn't work as Kara source of wisdom.

As a love Interest I would have expected something more like Kara and Maxwell Lord.

Ultimately the show is okay otherwise the basic, normal, family, relationship is fine, fun and endearing its just the overall storyline I question.

Oh and I think the strike force commander is a Martian Manhunter.
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Nov 11, 2015
ok for "supergirl"... this chubby face is very common... she is not pretty enough..... looks faded like her outfit... :-\
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Nov 10, 2015
Love rhombus LOL.

Still loving Alex and Kara, I really hope they keep that relationships at the forefront.
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Nov 10, 2015
Why so much fuss about the family question? It is a pretty standard question. Are we so heavily influenced by that kind of feminism? Men have a family and a career and now a day women do too. I am literally surrounded by them (I'm married to one). Plus she is not a woman she is a female superpowerfull alien. On the other hand she could have got out of the way saing: “I’m an alien, and since we don’t marry our cousins unless you know someone I don’t know of that option is not available for me”. Yes, she can adopt but then that places her in the same position a man is (plus as supergirl she doesn't work for anybody since she does it for free). So… in this context, all the feminist fuss is for nothing. Does anybody think people watch super hero tv series to listen to this heavy handed social comment?

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Nov 11, 2015
Me parece que no entendiste, lobo. The problem is that nobody ask the same question to Superman, specially not in a first interview. I know, I am a scientific and when female scientists are interview they have to answer many times things like "have your family suffered for your career?" "Do you have time for kids?" and so on, Their male counterparts are not asked the same. I've seen that a lot.
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Nov 11, 2015
Superman is at least 33 years old and was around for decades. And he gets questioned about his love life in comics and animation.

Cat Grant was originally a gossip columnist, so it makes perfect sense that she would ask questions like that. Women themselves are interested in raising families and they dominate the nanny and early child education field. Companies have to mind the fact that women are likely to miss work or adjust their schedules around pregnancies and children.

I mean, any serious journalist would ask that question. She's female survivor from an EXTINCT planet. The drama over the question is just a contrived ways SG tries to measure herself against Superman.
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Nov 11, 2015
Superman is the male survivor of an extinct planet and he was supposed to be the only one when he arrived on Earth? Why wouldn't he be asked the same? Don't you think is a drama that he couldn't raise a family if he wanted to?
I assume that being a fan of her cousin Kara read all the interviews to him and she said that nobody asked his cousin those questions.
So we are not talking about comics or animation, we are talking about this show. In this show it's established by Kara's words that nobody asked him what Cat asked her in her FIRST interview, That was the point. Nobody asked that to him in years but they asked her the same in the first interview. I don't know how I could make it clearer for you.
And your real life chauvinism is awful. "Women themselves are interested in raising families". what? I know many women who are not interested in that (me being an example) and I know many men who are very interested , so why try to establish a link between one gender and the interest in raising families.
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Nov 24, 2015
@josephLee1078
I know it happens in real life and it is sexist, both things are true. I am not "suggesting" it.
I agree Cat had to ask, it's her work
I agree it's ridiculous that Superman has not been asked the same. If a male alien arrived here, we would ask him about his wishes to have a family and so on. In the Supergirl universe, that had not happened. It's a very weak plot and one of the things I don't like about the show.
I don't know about stats Many women I know adjust their maternal lives to their jobs, studies, or other things. For example, I have a half sister who scheduled her maternity with at least 7 years of anticipation to be after her competition in the 2003 Pan American Games. Most of my friends waited until the period immediately after their ph. D thesis.
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Nov 24, 2015
Are you seriously suggesting that it's sexist for women to be asked that question more than men? Because it happens in real life and it's not sexist per se. Women are maternal figures and stats strongly indicate that they're interested in raising a family and will adjust their work life around them. "Not all women are like that", but that's besides the point.

Some things to consider before ranting about "sexism"

(1) Cat Grant was originally a gossip columnist. And she was obviously goading her with question that compared her to Superman. Pay attention to the plot development.

(2) When Superman first arrived here, he was the first of his kind (He hid her cousin). People would be be primarily interested in his origin and source of power. Now that another female has emerged from that doomed planet, and it's natural to wonder if their lineage could continue. Women GIVE BIRTH. SURPRISE!!!! And Cat didn't even know they were RELATED until the end of the episode.

Frankly, it's ridiculous that no one would ask him about his love life or families. The show's producers obviously created a separate comic universe to construct a feminist tale, but in many depictions of SM, people are actively interested in his private life.
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Nov 10, 2015
I wonder if TV.com will be now posting a 'think-piece' reasons for the precipitous decline this show is currently delivering.

WEEK 1 - 3.1 (18-49 demo) / 12.9m viewers
WEEK 2 - 2.1 (18-49 demo) / 8.8m viewers
WEEK 3 - 1.7 (18-49 demo) / 8.1m viewers

Percentage wise, this show has lost 52.7% from its opening ratings (& 4.8m viewers). It should also be noted Gotham delivered a 1.5 from 4.1m viewers (same 8pm time-frame), & Scorpion was 1/10 up, following Supergirl.

It's all well & good to have stacked the odds when you première, but this show is in danger of being 'Trimmed' at this point, and it is November sweeps, when networks set ad-rates, which would indicate serious conversations need to be had about this shows future with CBS.

I would argue the grossly inflated ep1 ratings for this show is part of the problem for why this drop, over 3 episodes, is all the more alarming. This is a GENRE show, with numbers equal to most other superhero shows. Gotham is almost equal ratings, with half the viewership! This cant be good business for CBS.

I am not even discussing or debating the content/context problems this show is having with the audience, just based off the reviews & comments posted here, but merely that this show is a heavily promoted show, expensive to produce, and these numbers can not ad up for CBS, on what is essentially a social experiment to bring in younger viewers.

I do not think this show has found its 'bottom' either, and next week NFL will have a game on to erode these numbers even further.

I do not agree with the Nielsen ratings system, but if it is still the tool used to gauge a live 'ad-watching' audience, these numbers are difficult to assuage.
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Nov 10, 2015
Fights are sooo lame. I like the actress (without her we might even fully realize how mediocre is the script) but I can’t ignore the fights. Why does Supergirl move so slow when punching and fighting in general? Superman is as fast as the Flash, and Supergirl must be similarly fast. Plus she got held up by a column? really??? is she that less powerful than superman? She protected herself with a car's door? Isn't she way more resistant than a door? Oh wait by the end she stopped the same ray with her hand... Is it sooooo difficult to remain seemingly consistent? And the first time she fought reactron his suit broke down and she wached with a goofy face while he fled? This things are not about budget. Writers pleeeeease.
If this is just another smallville just with an older teenager (I don't care about kara's age she acts like one and the show seems aimed at them) I am going to quit veeeery soon. This could be better/ more intelligent and do no harm to their teenage viewers... they might actually win a few.
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Nov 11, 2015
I think this a show for younger viewers than Smallville.
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Nov 11, 2015
All of this: 100% correct. I also do not understand how writers THIS BAD get these jobs, when you could obviously find a hack who's never written anything to do better.
"first time she fought reactron his suit broke down and she wached with a goofy face while he fled?" -
This comment truly hits the nail on the head, it's RETARDED. Supervillain with stupid suit takes to the air, that should end up being one of the scenarios that's pretty much an auto-win for someone with super speed that flies of their own natural power. But hey, why bother using our minds to thing things through when we write a show being broadcasted to millions of people on which many many dollar bills rely on to move?
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Nov 11, 2015
Indeed, I can’t wrap my head around the fact that such a horrible bunch of writers consistently get hired to write shows like SG or even movie blockbusters. I mean with that kind of money the can certainly do better… competition for these kind of jobs should be fierce and guarantee a high level of quality. It is real mystery. I mean is it soo hard to get a writers like the ones behind Daredevil (which in comparison seem like Shakespeare... and I did have some issues with that show)
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Nov 11, 2015
Ok, I agree with you but let's remember this is a family oriented show.
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Nov 12, 2015
@CarlosR628891 of course no. Why do you ask that? I meant that the writers behind Daredevil wrote a very dark show. Family oriented means lighter, so perhaps that was not a good example. Mention the wtiters of a family oriented show. I would go with Doctor Who, but it's not so easy to find a good team of writers for that kind of shows.
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Nov 12, 2015
And family oriented means stupid?
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Nov 11, 2015
I actually thought she was going to cut the arness of the suit with her vision, so the suit drop of him.
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Nov 11, 2015
While I agree that the fight scenes are not very good, I give Kara some slack as she's not used to it yet ... she thinks she can do things, and jumps in, but she doesn't know what she's doing and reacts. If someone throws something (fires something) it takes a lot to overcome the instinct to duck or get behind cover. If she had stopped the beam with her hand and then later had to use a door, I would object to consistency ... but this seems like character progression instead. I see the same with the concrete pillar: inexperience and uncertainty. It's all in her head, in other words.
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Nov 11, 2015
You're giving the writers way too much credit.
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Nov 10, 2015
yeah I'm not seeing a lot of happy faces here. I'll check in again on season 2.
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Nov 10, 2015
I am still not having any big problems with the show. I didn't expect an award winning show and I don't think this is ever going to be that. I would like the tendency to skirt rom com plots to end. I don't care about Winn and Jimmy and their triangle with Kara, nor do I care about Lane's addition.

I just want to see a good superhero show. And this is all right for now. The problems that this show has is nothing that can't be rectified by the end of the season and totally fixed for the next season. Just as SHIELD did and Gotham for the most part has done. I would still take this show over what Arrow has turned into any day of the week.
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Nov 10, 2015
I actually really dislike Melissa Benoist, she's a bit too upbeaty for me.. I like my gals Lagertha. Guess that's not going to happen.
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Nov 10, 2015
Looks like Ally McBeal. Dances like Ally McBeal. Turns over!
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Nov 10, 2015
If Supergirl's cape is made of Kryptonium,why doesn't it weaken her like Kryptonite would? I thought anything from the home planet would harm her to one degree or another? Maybe I have my DC Comics lore all jumbled?

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Nov 11, 2015
No, things from Krypton don't harm Kryptonians, only Kryptonite. That is why she has a necklace and probably she keeps things from Krypton. He has the cape which was the mantle that protected him and none was damaged at all.
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Nov 10, 2015
Guessing it like Uranium, different isotopes have different effects or may be it something like depleted uraniuam. or may be it isn't pure kryptonium and it been combine with something else to neutralise it effect.
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Nov 10, 2015
Kryptonium...

Think I heard of this once.. Action Comics . #5 I think.. Supergirl's cape is made of it? Really? Makes no sense. But hey, we are talking about aliens from another planet who can fly, shoot heat beams from their eyes, and all kinds of other rather miraculous exploits.

Still, the writers should keep it more simple.. Less can be more. Just saying that the cape comes from a fabric from krypton and as such inherits some rather unique properties would be just as easily understood without any jargon.

But what do I know? :)
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Nov 10, 2015

Melissa Benoist can handle bare legs. She doesn't need mesh hose. C'mon, she's not a hooker ! Even Wonder Woman went the bare legs route. Besides which, with all the rough 'n' tumble stuff Supergirl does, her hose wouldn't last ten minutes.


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Nov 10, 2015
Why doesn't Superman go with bare legs also? I'm sure he can handle it...

Also, the reason her and Superman's clothes don't shred when they are fighting is because their invulnerability extends slightly out from their skin so tight clothes right next to their skin don't shred. Don't ask me about the skirt or the cape though...
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Nov 10, 2015
– Alex and Kara are Homeland fans. I mean, you couldn't have picked a better show from the CBS/The CW/Showtime family?

I of course would say Person Of Interest--but then CBS would have to own the fact that they were wrong to truncate Season 5.

It would've been hilarious to have had Kara do a self-aware moment and refer to an unnamed archer show being her favorite, and then have Alex grimace and comment about the back half of S3. But then the EP's would have to do their own ownership of how stinky that was. (Pity, because Doctor Who and Sherlock do those kinds of self-aware moments.)

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Nov 10, 2015
Nice little show we have here. Like the main character, still suffering from growing pains.

I guess I have to call Supergirl (the show) a guilty pleasure, since I'm still watching it and intend to give it a few more chances. But really! "I am Supergirl!" sounds laughable if compared to "I am Batman!", for example. Come on. Kara is a grown woman who doesn't look like a girl and doesn't behave like a girl. The reason the original kara was a "girl" is because she was 15, wore ponytails in her secret identity and lived in an orphanage. Kara is a woman! But if we have to call her a girl, I guess I'll keep calling James Jimmy.

I have been saying that the feminist manifesto has been too heavy-handed since the beginning, but if the "Impressionable audience" (Kaitlin's words, not mine) needs to have their feminist egos massaged, and in a very explicit way, every week so be it. I guess that's part of the show's DNA and those like me who are not part of the target audience should just take it as part of the package and not make a big deal out of it.

However, feminist issues aside, I just don't like Cat. She's arrogant and self-centered and treats her staff like dirt. And worst of all, threatened to fire who apparently is the only black person on her staff (and even then because he is a sort of celebrity) if he didn't use his personal connections to get Cat an interview. Now Cat wants to control and profit from Supergirl without having done anything to deserve it. Not cool, Cat. You need to be taken down a peg.

Actually, the show hasn't given me any clue why Kara would put up with a menial job, and with such a nasty boss. That is not as well explained as it was with Clark Kent, who started at the Daily Planet as a reporter because he wanted to be in a place where he would get news first hand,and so could help people more quickly. Why is Kara there exactly?

I understand why Kara didn't want to call Superman. It's the same old story in every show. "We won't call for backup, I can handle it," says the cop. "We won't call the Feds, we can handle it," says the small-town cop. "Don't call my parents." "Don't call the principal." "Don't call the head surgeon." We expect the hero to fight his or her own battles. That's OK, as long as she doesn't put lives in risk because she thinks preserving her bruised ego is more important.

Kara and Alex like Homeland, which is actually a better show, and with a strong female character. Perhaps Supergirl wants to be Homeland when it grows up. But I think the writers picked Homeland because (something Kaitlin seems to have missed) had David Harewood (Hank Hanshaw) playing one of its main characters in season 1, so it was an inside joke.

I was going to say I disliked Maxwell Lord for being arrogant too, but then he offered himself as hostage in exchange for one of his employees. That got him many points in the likability scale.

I doubt Clark Kent will ever show up, but the writers have been making him such a constant, though unseen, presence in the show that I honestly don't how how they will get out of that conundrum. No way it'll be Henry Cavill. Maybe Tom Welling in a special guest appearance?

Sorry, no matter how much I like Winn, he must be Winslow Schott, a.k.a., The Toy Man. So, my theory is that Winn will be rejected by Kara and, after some traumatic incident, he will go all Ed Nygma. Kara will be Winn's Gotham season 1 Ms. Kringle.
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Nov 10, 2015
Winn's father is also named Winslow and will be the Toyman. He's already been cast.
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Nov 10, 2015
OK, thanks. Well, that's disappointing. I thought Winn was going to turn evil and have a glorious arch like Ed Nygma or Barbara Keene in Gotham.
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Nov 10, 2015
There's always the possibility that Winn's father is the original Toyman but then later on Winn turns evil and carries on his father's legacy.
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Nov 10, 2015
I had all memories of Homeland erased from my brain. :)
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Nov 12, 2015
Kaitlin "Donna Noble" Thomas

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Nov 10, 2015
Well, it does seem a different show now without Damien Lewis.
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Nov 10, 2015
Hear, hear! The review hits on several of the points that crossed my mind as I was watching the episode.

I do continue, however, to appreciate the intentions of the series concerning gender and sex disparities, even if it's failing (rather badly, I might add) in practice. If I ever were to doubt that sexism still exists, a quick glance at some of the comments on the boards about the show, serves as a reminder. But again, the fact that we are still far cry from living in a society that doesn't discriminate on the basis of gender and sex (and a long list of other things) certainly doesn't excuse lack of craft. The Agent Carter series, for example, doesn't seems to waste an inordinate amount of time "beating us over the head with the same message." We don't see Carter (or others characters in the show) going on at length about sexism; instead, she shows and does, while occasionally and judiciously quipping on this issue when warranted -- and all this happens in the 1940s (given, a liberally fictional 1940s) and not, as in Supergirl, in the present day! Of course, Agent Carter is a series that geared to an older audience and her character is written to be self-assured from the get-go. Still, it's a relief that the audience isn't subjected to repeated comparisons between her and, say, Captain America, and that one can just sit back and watch her do her thing. As far as the Supergirl's target audience (young viewers) is concerned, the show is bumbling along very poorly; we do need more admirable and/or interesting stories about female characters but not via preaching and repeated comparisons between male and female characters. That just demonstrates a lack of craft.

I'm still interested to see how the show pans out; I'll continue watching, as least for a few more episodes.

On the positive side, I do think that Benoist is doing a good job.
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Nov 10, 2015
Totally agree. As you say, Agent Carter is geared at an older audience. Perhaps you cold think of another show, geared at the same younger female audience that would serve as a better example?
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Nov 10, 2015
Part of the dilemma, of course, is that they are few are far between. I'll continue to think on it -- and you can bet that I'll mention it on the boards when it comes to me and/or at an appropriate moment. And I always welcome others' ideas on this.

A side note -- I was interested in what the show might do with the "stronger together" thread, as this seemed a fitting direction for it and also a path less trodden. We see this less, I think, due to the fact that the "rogue" approach to storytelling is . . . more convenient in terms of generating conflict (though I wouldn't say that it's necessarily better). It also seems to me to be valorized in our current storytelling culture(s). Unfortunately, Supergirl, as thekaitling and others have noted, thus far seems to be sending mixed messages on this point.
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Nov 10, 2015
Arrow takes the "Rogue" approach, but even Oliver has a team to help him. Where would he be without Felicity's tech support, for instance?

The problem with Supergirl's support team (or, better yet, teams) is that she actually has more support than she knows what to do with. There's Winn and James and they even have an office, a makeshift operation base full of tech. And there's the DEO, with more backup, more tech. And there's Cat giving her life lessons. Aaaaand there's Superman in case everything else fails...
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Nov 10, 2015
@Lovely_Pariah - True, in Arrow season 1 it was Oliver who called the shots. Diggle even started as his employee (bodyguard or something), and Felicity was a Queen Enterprises employee. Later, at some point, Diggle said that he wanted to be treated as a partner. But then, Oliver was a millionaire.

Barry Allen, on the other hand, is not rich, and had a lowly position in the police food chain. But nobody ever belittled him, and he was a forensics expert, something that takes a lot of study and training to do.

Kara, on the other hand, has to fetch lattes for an arrogant boss, something that truly irks me. And you're absolutely right. Everybody has an opinion on how she should do things, and even do things on her behalf.

The more I think about this, the messier it looks. That seems like a far cry from a true feminist message.
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Nov 10, 2015
Absolutely, though I was referring to the idea of a series that begins with a "stronger together" 'tude and using that as the show's departure point, then moving on from there, rather than using the "rogue approach" as the centrepiece of a (usually first) season. I'm not yet caught up on Arrow (Working on it.) but certainly Oliver's insistence to go it on his own in the first season is a key thread and source of conflict.

In terms of Supergirl's "mixed messages" I primarily meant the heavy-handedness of Superman's presence (via other characters' dialogue -- and now we have the chat exchange [Ack.]). Also -- and I haven't thought this through yet -- but it seems that Supergirl's support teams don't (yet?) have the "together" concept down; many (not all) times, they've acted on her "behalf" -- what they consider to be ostensibly "for her own good." (And Kara doesn't have it down either.) You'll correct me if you think that I'm wrong but it does seem, for the most part in Arrow (if one doesn't count the flashbacks to the island) and in some other similar shows, that the lead character is the one calling almost all of the shots. Yes, a central part of this first series of Supergirl is for her to find and earn her footing, but it's poorly executed.

I do hope that most of this works itself out. In a show for an older audience, I hope for some complexity. I don't "require" this for Supergirl but it needs a lot o' fixes.
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Nov 10, 2015
All this girl power junk is driving me bonkers and it's so forced and fake. Thank you for pointing out how very undervalued women are, CBS, even though that wasn't your intention. That question about starting a family made me itch, like, the whole episode. Was it really necessary? And what about the women who don't want to start families and have no desire for children in any regard? That's a very polarizing question to send out into the universe, especially to such a young audience. This is such a pathetic excuse for a drama, and probably why people are so wary of female-led shows. There are people who are turned off of Blindspot because it's supposedly led by Jaimie Alexander, but let's be honest, Sullivan Stapleton has taken the reins in a somewhat unfortunate way. The effects are poor, the script is awful, the actress is dry and unconvincing--certainly not "a dream", and the message it's trying to convey is horribly botched. I find myself flinching at each scene. You could have done better, CBS.
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Nov 10, 2015
Just for the record, I gave up on Blindspot because the main characters (the tattooed lady and the FBI agent) were humorless and the show sounded a lot like The Blacklist, but with tattoos. But, like Kara and Alex, I like Homeland.
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Nov 10, 2015
Well you kinda expect a person that lost all of her memories to be humorless.
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Nov 12, 2015
For a moment I thought you were talking about Kaitlin and Homeland. Anyway, yes, but the male FBI agent has an even sourer face, and he has all his memories intact. I know the situation is not for jokes, but he could lighten up.
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Nov 10, 2015
The girl power stuff drove me nuts this ep too, because if that's all the show has to offer, it's going to get old. Jane the virgin does strong women really well. I do like this show, but i loved the pilot
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Nov 10, 2015
– Alex and Kara are Homeland fans. I mean, you couldn't have picked a better show from the CBS/The CW/Showtime family?

They should have gone with The 100.
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Nov 10, 2015
Also Melissa Benoist had a cameo in Homeland S01 E02-03
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Nov 11, 2015
Probably one of Dana Brody's classmates or friends we didn't even notice.
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Nov 11, 2015
Oh, Gosh! I just saw pictures. Let's say she's in a very revealing situation.
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Nov 11, 2015
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Nov 10, 2015
I think they chose Homeland because of David Harewood, who was an actor on that show.
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Nov 11, 2015
Ah, once I looked up who that was, I do vaguely remember him in that. Back when it was a really good show.
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Nov 11, 2015
So before season 1 episode 8 then :D
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Nov 10, 2015
Also Homeland is currently in season.
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Nov 10, 2015
The thing that's annoying me the most about this show are the poor quality effects. I honestly have no idea what makes the difference between making the use of a green screen obvious and what makes it less so. But, I wasn't impressed. I mean, surely she's going to be flying quite a lot, so they could have at least got that looking good.
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Nov 10, 2015
It's absolutely horrible. Not only is a just a bad show with one-dimensional writing, acting and direction, but it's sending the wrong message to young girls. The producers would have them believe that even if you're an invincible superhero, if you're a twentysomething girl, you're still going to be a bubble-headed ditz.

The persona of Clark Kent is of a person who's socially awkward, clumsy and unsure of himself. But, Kal-El is anything but that. He's intelligent, crafty with an unfailing sense of self. Here's both Super Girl's public and private persona are absurdly shallow and superficial.
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Nov 10, 2015
Perhaps another shrewd choice from the producers. Imagine being stronger than pretty much anyone else on the planet and yet raised to keep it hidden and fake being normal. A dozen years of that weighs heavily on a person.

Also, more generally, little girls are still raised quite differently, compared to the little boys. To be sure that's not in in every family, but many (most?) parents see success as girls being the pretty, nurturing, demure followers, and boys being the strong, heroic, outgoing leaders.
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Nov 10, 2015
This is very true. I'm successful in my job, I'm a published poet and short story writer, I'm working on the second draft of my first novel, and yet.... my family still laments the fact that I broke off my engagement to a successful young man even though marrying him meant also being married to his career, which would have held me back in a lot of ways. There is a different idea of what 'success' means when you're female, and it's often tied to following a conventional path.
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Nov 10, 2015
Wow, strong of you. respect.
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Nov 11, 2015
Ha, thanks. I just think it's nice when media or even TV shows call attention to this because it is a real thing that women face criticism over. The criticism is often quiet rather than overt, as in the case of the woman I graduated with who works at my hometown's Piggly Wiggly - she likes to hear about my travels but I can tell she feels sorry for single ol' me, even though it's my choice and I'm confident I did the right thing. It might be worse in my case because I'm from a small, southern town. Since I'm not particularly interested in marriage and kids, it makes me an outlier.
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Nov 10, 2015
The most annoying thing about the show for me is superman. How they will never talk face to face and come up with reasons why he can't speak to you ever is just strange. Oh "Volcanic eruption in the South Pacific," ugh, these excuses are going to consistently come up. Superman won't come to talk to his only family but use instant messenger. I'm not liking the direction of the show so far, see how it goes.

Thought it would've been a better idea for Superman to disappear or be kidnapped by one of the villains. And a big plot mystery they drag out throughout the season is clues where superman was taken. Easily be the reason she steps up to be the hero and why superman can't help but still including Superman in the storyline. I'll wait till a few more episodes come out before trying to watch again
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Nov 10, 2015
IMO casting someone as Superman is a bell that can't be un-rung. Maybe later, once SG is a lot more experienced and can be an equal partner in fighting something Superman alone is having trouble with. But even then, I'm not sure it's necessary.
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Nov 10, 2015
Good idea, but at some point they would have to show Superman.
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Nov 10, 2015
Unless the next episode is somehow utterly amazing, that'll be my last one, gave it my 4 and am out of here. Watching this show last night, I couldn't count the ways it annoyed me in little ways, the whole episode was eyerolls and pained sighs. The whole thing feels like it's going in the wrong direction, highlighting and accentuating everything that the pilot got wrong while ignoring the things that it might have been able to build on.

The feminism angle is a biggie, and I'm glad it got mentioned in the review right off the bat. Show, don't tell. Nothing about this character feels whole, she feels weak and small and needing many different authority figures to help her into making better choices whether it's bestie, buddy, daddy-figure, sis, boss, and even villain. DO SOMETHING ON YOUR OWN. Don't constantly talk about your cousin, think for yourself, act for yourself, learn and train and succeed for yourself. The solution to the episode was painfully pap, regardless of whether or not Supes could have done it, ANYBODY should have tried it. Be the hero you keep talking about being, save people, stop regular crimes, etc..

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Superman's shadow shouldn't be weighing so heavily on the screen at all times, it's grating and by not directly naming him most of the time it becomes MORE obvious. Even the goddamned horrible Supergirl movie didn't rely on Superman remotely this much.

Here's the many problems this episode highlights with this show:
- Everybody is very stupid.
- Everybody is very shallow.
- Everybody has a speech in them dying to get out.
- Every situation is lightweight and the biggest danger ever at the same time.
- Tone is featherweight and conflicted about that.
- It's a Cinderella story where somehow the strongest woman in the world gets 5 or 6 different fairy godmothers.
- It also looks bad.
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Nov 11, 2015
Beautiful review, made me chuckle also.
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Nov 10, 2015
"- Everybody has a speech in them dying to get out." Good one. I still have a chuckle when I think of it.

"5 or 6 different fairy godmothers." Yep! It's like people having nothing else going on in their lives but meddle into Kara's.
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Nov 10, 2015
You eloquently said exactly what I've been thinking.
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Nov 10, 2015
Weird episode, in a good way!

There was too much personal "drama," trying to prove herself and all, but it was ok; it didn't thrill me but it didn't annoy me, either.

It was nice to see other kind of villains than Kryptonians, but since only Kryptonite can kill Superman and Supergirl (Kryptonians in general) trying to kill her with nuclear fire balls/ beams, felt kind of lame. I definitely agree with Grumpy, the fight scenes need to be improved!

Something is bothering me with Kara's office environment, but I can't quite put my finger on it... maybe in later episodes.

Overall, it was a pretty enjoyable episode!
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Nov 10, 2015
They should have done a "Planetary" adaption instead of this nonsense.
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Nov 10, 2015
because no paid monkey-blogger will do it..

overnight rating:

Supergirl (CBS) - 1.7 / 8.1m - down 22.2% (week/week 18-49demo) & lost another 7.8% of its audience.

...so if you're playing at home.. that over 50% 18-49demo dropped & lost 5million audience eyeballs since première 3 weeks ago.

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Nov 10, 2015
I wish the staff would update any post on shows that are being reviewed on this site, with rating's data - it would make for an interesting afternoon when shows are failing, yet being heavily promoted.

I wonder if that would affect which shows they decide to promte and/or defend?
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Nov 10, 2015
technically, its Première + 2weeks.. thought id just throw this lame dog a bone! [see, i did not call her a bitch.. she got enough feminist problems! ] :P
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Nov 10, 2015
And with that, I believe we've found the dateless intern whom I've said must be doing the writing for Barbara Gordon on Gotham.

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Nov 10, 2015
.. and this is why we need a thumbs down button.
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Nov 10, 2015
Standard of humour aside, the information presented is factual.

Within 3 episodes, the show's rating have plummeted 53% & near 5m viewers have left.

I dont think down-voting comments posted is helping this show find an audience, though, it tends to fuel the troll-posters against those that post 'positive' comments on the show.

This is not the case here. It is merely humour.

The sentiment is shared by quite a few others members also.

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Nov 10, 2015
Misogyny trying to disguise itself as humour is still misogyny and not funny (well, except yo other misogynists I guess)
Also paedophile's ratings are out as the episode came in at 2.2/8.9m
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Nov 10, 2015
The fight scenes really need to improve. The stuff shot at distance is fine, but the close up stuff looks clunky.
They had the same problem last week.

And I could rrrrreally do without the love rhombus - or whatever it is - they should develop the characters a bit more before introducing a romantic relationship angle (IMO).

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Nov 10, 2015
Oh, I don't know, @Grumpyclown--I thought the double-breasted punch (see what I did there?) last week was on par with Oliver's crotch punch on Arrow ("Sara"). I'm fairly certain that most female viewers grunted/cringed at that shot.

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Nov 10, 2015
Heh heh, bewb punches id funny....
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Nov 10, 2015
This series is a bit much girlie girlie for me. I do not like the 'Devil wears Prada' setting, it is quite boring. Will watch a couple more episodes but when it stays as it is now, it is no serie for me.
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Nov 10, 2015
Not even Gilmore Girls had this level of girl power girlyness going for it.
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Nov 10, 2015
I'm already tired of the Cat/Kara boss-minion relationship, and the Cat/Supergirl animosity. Yeah, maybe deep down Cat respects Supergirl as Alex claims, but Calista Flockhart ain't the actress to convey that secret respect. The fact that the writers have another character point it out shows that they realize it ain't happening based on the performance.

Maybe that's why the losing the secret ID/"everyone knows who the hero really is" concept on Flash and Arrow is a good idea. I don't actually remember the last show that had this kind of angst over a superhero's secret ID, or secret IDs in general. Isn't there enough soap operas in these shows without the whole "Must keep my identity secret from someone and put up with their insults/curiosity/probing/whatever"?
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Nov 12, 2015
My other irritation with Cat is that she seems to have no coherent plan.

First she wants to namebrand Supergirl, and use her to bolster company profits. Now she's putting her down the very creation she helped to create and running an expose on Supergirl. That might generate a short-term increase in revenues, but it's cutting off one's cash cow

What if Supergirl has enough of having bad articles written about her and retires as quietly as she came? What if she moves to Metropolis? What if she finds another conglomerate in National City and gives them all of the scoops? Cat doesn't seem to have anticipated any of this. It's like she's in the writers' room and is being manipulated to do whatever the writers need for any given episode. ;)

Maybe Jameson was like this back in '63. But a) he's had years to develop, and b) it ain't '63 anymore.
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Nov 12, 2015
And maybe Cat has some master plan. Like "I will build Supergirl up, but take enough steps to criticize her to make Catco look authentic as an unbiased media source.

But Cat doesn't seem at all interested in doing that. And the problem is that she only has one confidant, and that's Kara. So from a story perspective, she can't tell Kara what she has planned for Supergirl. Even if Cat doesn't know that would ruin her plan.
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Nov 11, 2015
Plus, the Cat Grant/Supergirl thing reminds me too much of the J Jonah Jameson/Spider-Man relationship.

The writers have had years to develop Jameson. Admittedly, in the movies, they didn't have that long. But Calista Flockhart is no J.K. Simmons, either.



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Nov 12, 2015
That's what Cat needs! JJJ's stogie!
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Nov 12, 2015
Or personality.

I feel like the exec producers are conflicted on Cat. At least one wants to show her as a strong, empowered woman. Another views her as a JJ Jameson type. Another is having her make all the speeches about un-empowered woman and how females are so badly treated because men have poor expectations of them,.. while owning a billion-dollar corporation and treating her female assistant like garbage because she has a poor expectation of her.

Assign these roles to whatever EPs and the gender of EPs you like.
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Nov 11, 2015
I feel like Cat is the only intelligent character on this show actually, and most people are just missing it, which is also funny. When she ask Kara about having children/family, that WAS a jab(and she's not asking because she thinks all woman should cozy up and raise a family obviously). She at least can tell Kara is young, inexperienced, about to have a SUPER hard time, and preparing her to some degree. Like snooty tough love.

The character Kara hasn't really apparently made an attempt to think anything at all through, and Cat is pointing that out, when she, a normal powered woman who just had her car lifted onto a rooftop, and should be in the weaker position, really throws Kara off balance.

Everything else in this show annoys the sht. out of me, but Cat I like.
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Nov 12, 2015
Gotta love those one-percenters who flaunt their power and put us ninety-nine percenters in our place, right?
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Nov 12, 2015
It's network TV, so we're supposed to like rich men and women. Except for when the writers shortcut and make them blatant villains.

Hollywood: always ten years behind the trend.
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Nov 12, 2015
Indeed. Well, Cat Grant would make a much more interesting villain than any of those super-powered brutes.
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Nov 11, 2015
Cat is preparing Supergirl for... what? Sarcastic CEOs that don't take her seriously?

There's a narrow line between a character trying to prep someone to have to deal with a super hard time, and being the super hard time. One problem is that no one but Cat treats Supergirl like Cat does. So it comes across as Cat just being a sarcastic person who gives people a hard time, rather than preparing SG for the "real world" where sarcastic people give Supergirl a hard time.

I also think it would take a far greater actress than Flockhart to get that across. Although in fairness, the writers so far haven't helped her. For one thing, you have to have a character who is sympathetic. So far, Cat Grant has done nothing to engender audience sympathy. It looks like next week they'll throw in her son and some kind of past tragedy, but they'd better make it pretty convincing or it's just going to seem like what it probably is: an obvious "let's get the audience on this character's side" subplot.

Hank Heywood walks that same line, and does so a lot better. He helps Kara to be a better superhero, and is just sarcastic enough with her, while secretly doing things like helping Alex track Reactron.
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Nov 10, 2015
Arrow dragged it on for 2 seasons collectively before it all fell apart. Flash came out right away, probably on the pretense that it didn't want to drag like Arrow did, and Flash was a "happier" superhero.
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Nov 10, 2015
I'm not sure what you mean. Oliver didn't reveal his identity to everyone, that's true, but that was more of the overall theme of him being a secretive guy. We didn't get weekly struggles between Thea and Oliver, or Moira and Oliver, based on how they felt one way about the Hood/the Arrow, and one way about Oliver.

He's still not telling everyone what happened on the island in his missing five years. It's all part of the parcel of him being Mr. Secrets Guy.

The problem with Supergirl isn't that she's a secretive person, or refusing to let people into her life, or endangering people she loves by keeping secrets from them. As Alex pointed out, kinda the opposite. It's just that Kara lets herself get browbeat by an overbearing boss whose treatment borders on harassment. I can appreciate that she wants to be independent, but is there really no other job she can get using her powers secretly? Judging from the size of her apartment in the equivalent of NYC, Kara can't exactly be hurting for money...
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Nov 11, 2015
more like the equivalent of Los Angeles (given the palm trees in the establishing shots). Metropolis is the NYC expy
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Nov 11, 2015
At least in the comics, Metropolis and New York City are separate cities. NYC exists as a separate city from the former.
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Nov 10, 2015
"We didn't get weekly struggles between Thea and Oliver, or Moira and Oliver, based on how they felt one way about the Hood/the Arrow, and one way about Oliver."

We also didn't get conflicts based on them browbeating Oliver and putting him down at every opportunity. When dealing with Cat, Kara seems to be more of a punching bag than anything.
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Nov 10, 2015
I mention that in my comment too. The show hasn't given a convincing job in explaining why she has that specific menial job. Come to think of it, we don't know if she went to college or what kind of degree or experience she has. Cat is very demanding, but Kara holds a relatively unskilled position for which a college degree wouldn't be necessary.
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Nov 10, 2015
And yet, Barry is the only one to wear a big mask. Go figure...
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Nov 10, 2015
Barry's mask (which is a very faithful reproduction of the comics of course) is still way too open for me around the eyes. Not as ridiculously open as Laurel's, but still not very concealing (and oddly less concealing around the eyes than the one he gave Oliver).

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Nov 10, 2015
Good point. In a realistic situation, he would have to wear a mask that covered his whole head, like Spiderman, and still people who know Barry would be able to have an idea it's him by height and body type.
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Nov 10, 2015
Sheesh where is Wonder Woman when you need her, give both Kara and Kat (Mcbeal or whatever) a slap

Facinelli freed up from a cancelled American Odyssey looks like a fun character
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Nov 10, 2015
Peter Facinelli as Maxwell Lord is definitely awesome! I think his character and the sisters' relationship were my favorite parts of the the episode. Winn definitely gives off a Cisco vibe (no pun intended) but Cisco is my favorite character on The Flash besides Barry, so I'm okay with waiting to see how they flesh out his character later. I have mixed feelings on the Superman thing. On one hand, at least they're saying his name, they've established a relationship between Kara and Clark, and they're not pretending those comparisons don't exist. On the the other hand, it will get annoying very quickly if they don't start finding a better balance, but I do think Supergirl has plenty of time to grow in its own direction. The other downside is that now I want a Superman show to go along with Supergirl lol. I guess with the Man of Steel movies, they won't allow an actual appearance by Clark/Superman, but that would be fun - I'm actually surprised we're hearing the names since they left that out of the pilot in a very noticeable way. The only thing I really hate so far is how fast and forcibly they are shoving this Kara/Jimmy 'ship down viewers' throats. Geez, writers - let it develop. He literally just met her and he's already throwing out lines like "I was afraid I would lose you?" And it's only the third episode, which means it will probably get a lot worse before it gets better since these are the same EPs who brought us the terrible, terrible romance writing on The Flash and Arrow. I hoped it wouldn't be so heavy-handed on Supergirl, but so far this is the only part that makes me want to mute the TV, and I'm a woman. I like romance, but not when it is this annoying. That being said, I am laughing about seeing the dude reduced to love triangle plots because that is usually the female character's territory. I don't know - Lucy Lane and his 'feelings' for Supergirl aside, I find Jimmy pretty useless so far. Winn fills the sidekick role, and Kara has plenty going on without him, so I hope they give him something useful to do.
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Nov 10, 2015
At least the Arrow and Flash relationships have mellowed out and actually make sense. Those characters have chemistry. The ones here don't. In no way do Kara and Jimmy have any chemistry. It's so flat and forced and ridiculous. They don't match, if you know what I mean. I liked Jimmy until this episode with the whole god-forbid-i-lose-the-girl-i-just-met speech. She doesn't even have chemistry with her friend (whatever his name is?). I assumed he was gay until he started obsessively mooning over her. This is not how you write a love triangle CBS!
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Nov 10, 2015
This is my biggest pet peeve with the show. it has been from the beginning. I feel it was heavy-handed and unnecessary to focus so much of her being female and Cat Grant's hyperbolic and senseless speech in the pilot. Do you see iZombie going on about Liv being a female? Or that Buffy's foes and allies focused on her being female? Or that Jessica Jones will? No, because there is no need. It's the writing of people that clearly don't actually have these beliefs that women are equal, on a network that still believes people won't watch a show led by a female superhero, and it's nonsense. But the character needs to be good, and have a heroes journey - not a female empowerment journey.

The waitress in the first episode saying, "Finally, someone my daughter can look up to" was so cornball and forced, I openly cringed. So far, the show has yet to right itself.
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Nov 10, 2015
The show was always going have to deal with what some people would perceive as feminist issues and maybe the show hasn't handled them in them in the best way, but they are also in a lose-lose situation.
If they don't acknowledge Superman's existence then the show is going to get grief about it. But if they do acknowledge Superman's existence then comparisons between the two Kryptonians becomes inevitable.
Those comparisons bring with them a whole other set of problems, the so called feminist elements of the episode have to be done early in the series, they couldn't have done this in episode 10 for example without getting all kinds of criticism about either taking the story backwards or ignoring the issue for so long.

Imagine for a second the show was Superboy and not Supergirl, the lead character is lets say Karl Zor-El and the script remains 99% the same. Do you really think the show would be attracting the same type and level of critisim?
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Nov 10, 2015
Buffy's enemies did underestimate her because she was a petite blonde woman named Buffy, though. It wasn't always verbally expressed, but it DID exist. She also used it to her advantage (and Buffy really knew how to use our public perception to tell those stories) and Supergirl isn't doing that, which is where I plead with the series to show not tell.
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Nov 12, 2015
Did they though? I don't recall many instances in which that happened. If anything, the slayer line always being female pretty much negated any such surprise or underestimation. She was the slayer, no focus on her femininity ever truly drawn, even by freshly raised vampires. Their immediate thought was, "Slayer", not "Girl". That was the centre of its refreshing nature, to me. They were often more surprised that she was trying to maintain a life, have family and friends around her, than her gender. Supergirl is presenting the opposite, a girl first and superhero second. People meet her and their first thought it, "Girl", not 'Super-Powered God-Like figure". It's just senseless and incredibly backward.

Yes, comparisons can and should be made to Superman, since they chose to have him exist in their universe. But it should be firmly about experience and the controlled use of powers and the risk that comes with being a hero rather than he is a man and she is a woman.
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Nov 10, 2015
Although I considered it hilarious that Miss Gellar was then chosen to play Daphne.

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Nov 10, 2015
That was the gag though, Buffy was a high school cheerleader type who also kicked ass, even the very title was pointing out the dichotomy. Buffy didn't wear a cape and a big "S" shield. Kara Zor-El is the "girl of steel", her look automatically is "superhero" and it's not one that should be underestimated at EVERY SINGLE TURN BY EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER including the titular one. Yet these writers seem to feel that, despite BEING a superhero and looking the part, the big drawback for Kara is still somehow her gender and both the in-universe characters and us the audience should be surprised that a female superhero is super.
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Nov 10, 2015
Exactly.
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Nov 10, 2015
It also makes you wonder what other heroes exist in the Supergirl universe, if any. So Superman is around, and now Supergirl. But presumably they're the only ones, along with Superman's entourage of rogues. So... Wonder Woman and no other female heroes exist?
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Nov 10, 2015
The whole Justice League concept is not something to think about to hard about. Because really, if there were several all-powerful beings, they would be popping up in each other's cities all the time.
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Nov 10, 2015
yeah, i agree. Im all for female empowerment or whatever the fuck theyre going with it. The character and the story needs to be decent enough for me to tune in. I feel though that its on the right track at least.
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Nov 10, 2015
I missed part of the pilot where the DEO explained their mandate.

So, aliens are obviously their jurisdiction
Tech'ed up humans are not in their jurisdiction
What about meta humans? As in, humans with weird non-tech powers?

I'm just wondering if matches against metas will involve Hank turning a blind eye, or a full DEO TAC team swooping in at the end.
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Nov 10, 2015
It wasn't spelled out in the pilot. I'd say it was spelled out last night. The DEO theoretically only gets involved in alien issues.

Now it looks like Hank and Alex will secretly be helping Kara. But Hank doesn't want it to get out, so presumably it's a no-no.
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Nov 10, 2015
Most of the chat from Clark wasn't that bad, as far as I can remember. The only bad line I recall was "You beat Reactron, something I couldn't do" or something along those lines.

Thanks for saving my life / don't worry I won't do it again
Could be taken as exaggeration.

This looks like a job for Supergirl
Again, funny exageration.
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Nov 10, 2015
Why does James Olson's actor always look at Kara like he wants to molest her and she looks at him like she is deathly afraid he will do just that? I was kind of creeped out by the dance thing, TBH...
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Nov 10, 2015
"very self-aware show" - Indeed! I almost couldn't believe they brought in Supes to save SG like that. The show seems to know its criticisms and so far is dealing with them quite well.

"Winn...Cisco 2.0" - Yeah, even down to the actor's Broadway experience. Another superhero show that might bust out in an epic musical episode at any moment. (Hmmm, a musical crossover episode...)
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Nov 10, 2015
"In a way, Supergirl is undermining its own agenda by routinely being the one to draw parallels to the talented Man of Steel."

I get what you're saying and there will definitely be a balancing act going forward, but I don't have a problem with this approach.

As mentioned, there's a ridiculous double standard when it comes to successful men and women and I think this was demonstrated perfectly by Cat ridiculous (if slightly forced) question about Kara wanting a family. To me, she comes across like Megyn Kelly, Elisabeth Hasselbeck or any of the blonde mouthpieces on FoxNews. Like them, Cat is aware of the double standard and thinks she's championing women's rights by being who she is, but isn't self aware enough to know that she's part of the problem. At least, I certainly hope that this is how the character is supposed to be and we're not seeing Ally McBeal v.2.0

One need only look at the non-work related critiques of Hillary Clinton or Carly Fiorina in relation to their male counterparts to see that how Supergirl is viewed in relation to her cousin is pretty much exactly what would happen in real life.

And just like real life, I think it's pretty easy to understand that Kara is going to need some time, some victories and perhaps even the occasional kid gloves before she becomes the hero she's meant to be. Right now, she reminds me much of Season 8 Clark from Smallville as he began to adopt this Red/Blue Blur persona. Still sorta figuring out his powers, but knows he's strong enough that he should be helping...though not confident enough yet to entirely know how to do that.

I'll give Supergirl some latitude with this regard, if for no other reason than it's a pretty common superhero trope.

"Backtracking James' decision so that it highlighted his own insecurities rather than Kara's also felt like a bit of a misstep because it was played for swooning purposes instead of character development."

I was okay with this too, because the swooning seemed to only come from one direction, Kara's. Had James' reasons for calling Superman not been pretty legit, then the swooning would make Kara look silly. But despite the moon eyes, James explanation is one I think Kara could understand.

"I know that it's aimed at a young impressionable audience writers should have a little more faith in the show's viewers and believe that they're capable of coming to some of these same basic conclusions on their own."

You've met milenials, right?

"Or maybe not because Clark is equally bad considering he openly talked about being Superman in an instant message on Kara's WORK COMPUTER."

This bugged me FAR more than James' "Oh crap" moment. An inadvertent slip is one thing. A calculated, "Hey, I'm Superman!" through (easily or frequently) tracked software is just absurd.

"Jenna Dewan-Tatum arrived this week in the form of Lucy Lane a.k.a. James' ex. It feels a little early to be converting this blossoming love triangle to a love rhombus, but we'll see how it goes."

Two things:

1. It is NEVER too early to introduce Jenna Dewan-Tatum, because...you know...hubba hubba. Though just like Mehcad Brooks, anybody THAT good looking clearly cannot be trusted. Though I don't have to trust her to feel better about having her on screen.

2. The Winn has a crush on Kara who has a crush on James arc cannot be crushed (or at least put aside) quickly enough for me. Unrequited love stories are often pretty dull, and there's no way they'd couple up any of these three any time soon. So the sooner both Kara and Winn get over their respective swooning...the better.
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Nov 10, 2015
I find hilarious that her cape seems to be stronger than her!!! bahahahaha.

It also seemed like superman was able to get hit by reactron and he was fine.

Plus why does the series have this Ugly betty setting? LOL
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Nov 10, 2015
Which is a bummer, because Ugly Betty was awesome.
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Nov 10, 2015
The cape was mentioned in the pilot as a gift from Superman, made of Kryptonian fabric, it is as strong as his cape. It's dumb, but at least it justifies why she's wearing it in a modern setting better than just "because Superman does".
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Nov 10, 2015
The "start a family?" question was obviously a trap, and Kara walked into it. Actually I applaud her boss's sneaky nature.

Instead of avoiding it, just about any reaction at all to that question was damaging.
A) No! Boooo anti-family
B) Maybe one day? Booo anti-feminist
C) What's the matter with you?! Booo hothead, and anti-feminist
D) Let something else slip. Oops now they know I'm his cousin
etc.

The only winning move is not to play :-)
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Nov 10, 2015
Or
E) My womb is MY Fortress of Solitude.......so alone (and fly's away)
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Nov 10, 2015
Wow. That episode was the embodiment of everything I feared Supergirl would be. It seems like that first romance-comedy trailer nailed it after all.

Also:
A text message from Clark? Talking openly about their super-exploits??
Letting it slip in Wynn's presence that Clark is Kara's famous cousin?
Double Love-triangle drama?
The DEO keeps evening wear on retainer?

I hope this was just their way of getting the inevitable logic fails out of the way. I was pleasantly surprised with the 2nd episode, but this was 3 steps back. I hope future episodes will be better. That said- I guess I'll keep on watching.
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Nov 10, 2015
The evening wear was said to be bullet-proof. Literally. Like bullet-proof even worn by humans.
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Nov 10, 2015
Still ridiculous.
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Nov 10, 2015
Anyone else notice that she doesn't seem to have super-speed?
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Nov 10, 2015
She only has it when convenient for the plot, and lacks it for the same reason.
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