Supergirl "Worlds Finest" Review: Better in a Flash

Supergirl S01E18: "Worlds Finest"

With this very special crossover episode, Supergirl critic Nick Campbell and Flash reviewer Noel Kirkpatrick decided to combine their TV reviewing forces just like Supergirl and the Flash did in "Worlds Finest" for a conversation-style review. The result is below, but we must warn you: Noel and Nick teaming up is somehow even more shippable than Kara and Barry were. Please refrain from writing slash fiction about Nick and Noel. We know it'll be hard. Difficult. It'll be difficult.


Nick Campbell: I think I speak for us all when I say that I wanted Barry to stick around for at least another three to four episodes. Was that so much to ask?

Noel Kirkpatrick: It was probably far too much to ask for. Barry would've become too homesick—an Earth without a Cisco is terrible enough, but that also meant that there probably wasn't an Iris or a Joe, too, and that would have been too much to bear—but then I think Barry liked being the veteran superhero and not having a judgmental Oliver around.

I gather you feel like the marathon catch-up on The Flash to prep for this was worth it?

Nick: Yeah, two weeks of wall-to-wall The Flash was definitely worth the time, if not completely necessary. I mean, I got the Cisco reference early and saw a city turn on Barry to give him some extra relatable wisdom for Kara, but it's not like Supergirl got into the detailed intricacies of the Reverse Flash or anything. What it mostly did for me was provide some extra color to television's DC multiverse. It made me want Supergirl to feel a bit like how The Flash feels with its cast's chemistry and charisma, and even the show's pacing. "Worlds Finest" met those expectations (mostly) for me, but also made me worry that I might be spoiled now. I yearn for an impossible cohesion.


Noel: Comic books unto themselves are terrible for cohesion (it doesn't help that they keep secret warring and infinite earthing and rebirthing and new 52-ing), so I'm not expecting too much cohesion narratively, but I think you meant in terms of how Supergirl, until recently-ish, had to really have its characters and storylines really click into place the way The Flash managed to do pretty quickly, and even better once Iris was in the loop.

Nick: Should we just get right to how Barry and Kara have ruined any investment people have in the Supergirl relationships, a.k.a. are we supposed to care about James now?

Noel: I thought it was pretty cruel to have Kara and James enjoy their first smooch just as 1) Barry and Kara were shown having oodles of chemistry and adorableness both in costume and in civilian clothes and 2) Non activated the Myriad doodad—thanks for the recap show; I had forgotten about it!—and so James was presumably mind-controlled just as Kara finally made a move that was all her and not the Red Kryptonite. But as for investment, no, I'm having trouble with that. I got that the show wanted to use Barry's presence as a way to spur James to action (complete with a Lucy pep talk), but James is still such a non-character to me that I didn't care about him being all frowny at the Scarlet Speedster. So, yes, I have a tough time seeing what Kara sees in him beyond the good looks. And, hey, if that's all she wants, I'm here for it, but I think her feelings, as written, for the investigative photographer run more than just skin deep.

Nick: Criminal. I find it criminal that they would show Barry and Kara and their adorkableness and then leave us so unsatisfied with James. It only highlighted that inconsistent clicking Supergirl has. I feel like this group was performing at a high level with Barry around, Winn reaching something closer to his full winsome potential (Dynamic Duo indeed). But I'm with you in that I feel that James is still so lacking in dimension that he's a non-entity and the show trying to get me to care about this will-they-or-won't-they between the Kryptonian and a handsome log feels like they're trying to draw sap out of a dead tree. They feel like they have to have some kind of love interest in Kara's life because that's what shows do, but it's misplaced. But then again, I also think this show is very interested in the idea of keeping Kara very chaste.

Noel: I like that you mention the chaste thing because sex is something that is only haphazardly present in Greg Berlanti's DC shows. Oliver and Felicity actually having sex last season on Arrow was weird since, well, no one on these shows seems to be having much broadcast-approved sex, let alone vaguely implied sex. I mean Diggle and Lyla have Baby Sara, and I just assumed a stork dropped her off. I think a lot of this, at least in Flash and Supergirl's cases, is that both shows are prime family viewing shows (I know lots of folks on Twitter who watch with the young ones, and their kids love the shows), so they turn down the sex. And that's great, but it also means us older folks may want more convincing emotional attachments. Need a balance.

Nick: Yeah, you're right about the Berlanti shows. I mean, there was some nudge-nudge innuendo with Patty on The Flash but no sweeping let's-take-this-inside displays of connection (though Iris and Eddie did have some stripped-to-the-waist scenes in the early goings). It's just interesting to me that Kara, despite opportunities, has never really capitalized or even vibed with anyone (romantic vibing, not Cisco vibing). What if the lack of chemistry is by design? I'm curious if this show is a little scared to know how the audience would feel about their Supergirl being more human.

How'd you feel about the villain team-up? I liked that they brought back the firefighter Kara saved during "Falling" to save her in the end, but did Silver Banshee hitch her wagon to the wrong, easily-thwarted-by-water horse? 

Noel: I was okay with the team-up in concept but not so much in execution? It was one of those classic situations where the superheroes have to be beaten in the first round so they can bounce back in the second, but Barry throwing lightning at a villain he knew was powered by electricity was just dumb. YOU'RE A SCIENTIST, BARRY! AND YOU REFERENCED BLACKOUT! C'mon, dude, get it together! And in Silver Banshee's defense, she didn't have a lot of team-up options available to her that weren't aliens or a genetically modified women turned into Supergirl. It was a nice idea, but I don't know that Livewire and Silver Banshee complemented each other particularly well, power- and personality-wise, à la Kara and Barry (ICY TORNADO ARMS, NICK). I will say that Silver Banshee looked really great in the make-up and the costume and everything, but then I kept thinking, "Siobhan, you're going to do this every time you go out arching? That's a lot of work."

So glad you noted it was the same fireman, though, because I did not make that connection. What did you think about that whole thing with the citizens rushing to protect her? It's been done to death at this point in superhero stories, but I still liked it here (because Supergirl is cute and hokey enough to make it feel earned), and I liked how Cat's relationship advice was also sound Supergirl PR advice. (We do need to talk about Cat, too.)

Nick: The execution of the villains was all weird. I mean, I like Livewire and her bitter snarkiness. I like Siobhan even if her origin story kind of makes out women who are willful and abrasive to be cursed by an ancient Irish evil ("Have you ever wondered why the women in our family are so unlikeable?"). But you're right, why is Barry throwing lightning at someone who is powered by lightning? And if you know you can subdue Livewire with water, why not just bring some military-grade, DEO-issued Super Soakers? It was a weird balance and Supergirl's Season 1 mythology doesn't allow for much of a team-up with Silver Banshee unless she turned to Maxwell Lord. But I also felt like the final battle with them suffered from a common Supergirl problem: It felt compressed, rushed, and a little anticlimactic. And, as far as the people coming to crowd around Kara and try to protect her from Livewire, I think we both know that my my heart is cold and dead so I thought that was a bit corny. I get why it happened but it was a little cheesy to me.

Man, I feel like we've been talking a lot of smack on an episode I actually really liked. Let's talk about some positives. I think this might've been Cat Grant's best episode that really followed through on Calista Flockhart's promise that Cat honestly feels warmly for Kara and her children despite this veneer of superficiality. I thought the relationships were so great (Barry: "Awww, you have a sister?") and jokes were sharper.

Noel: Cat is the best, Nick. Just the best. I tweeted after she talked smack to Livewire and Silver Banshee in the office that Cat Grant is basically Supergirl's Lois Lane. She's tough, no nonsense, and, after being threatened and kidnapped a couple of times, was basically like, "Ladies, you know this doesn't end well, right? Supergirl is going to save me and stop you. That's how this goes, but if we need to do the whole thing, I guess we can." At the same time, like you alluded to, Cat's a lot deeper than her name-dropping (please don't make me think about hot yoga and Bernie Sanders, show) and love of lattes. She legitimately cares about Kara (at least) and she obviously cares about her sons based on her tearful admission to Livewire. But as soon as Kara and Barry showed up, she was back to her normal self and snidely asking what took them so long. She's Lois, Nick, and I love it.

And the jokes were much sharper this week (oh, The CW joke was too spot-on), but I feel like, as you said earlier, a lot of folks were more on-point overall this week. Winn and Barry were really solid because Barry was finally someone Winn could talk to who wasn't an authority figure or a crush. So he got to supply the set up to all the multi-Earth jokes: "What about one where we're all evil?" "Been there; it sucks." I think "Worlds Finest" was another episode that allowed Benoist to do something different, too. She's gotten to play J'onn playing Kara and she's gotten to play RK Kara, but here, she was just geeking the hell out over having a super partner, and it's the loosest I think we've seen Benoist all season. Even the stuff with Cat shifted a bit in tone and performance, and it was all very, very good. Even if the show isn't always keeping up with her (and Flockhart), Benoist is showing them that can really push Kara forward.

Nick: And I think that's what we honestly, truly want for this show: for everyone to be a little looser, for everyone to be a little more natural. That's probably the biggest problem with the chemistry. Everyone is a little stunted and orchestrated, jokes are inserted here, there's a punching contest inserted there (I really liked the "85-percent chance of punching" bit). Even though superhero shows are a formula, things blended more easily in this one, and that was helped by the good nature of both Supergirl and The Flash and the luminescence of Benoist and Gustin. Sure, these two shows crossing over was narratively the only option, but it was such a good combination. We really lucked out with this being possible. Could you imagine if Green Arrow showed up in National City? It would just be Oliver, James, and Winn sitting in a room together listening to The Smiths.

Noel: "Dude, I was in love with this girl, and she just doesn't feel that way same about it. I've mostly come to terms with it. Also: My most recent crush is now a supervillain."

"Dude, I've got this weird fetish (or so some TV critic says) for human-looking aliens with god-like powers, and I can't decide what to do about it. Also: I got mind-controlled by some weird alien device when she kissed me."

"Dude, my fiancée just dumped me because I didn't tell her about my secret love child with another woman from like five years ago that I didn't even know I had. Also: she quit my superhero team, and now we don't have a computer wizard."

"That's rough, buddies."

Man. These guys are a bunch of sad sacks.

Nick: The best thing "Worlds Finest" did was show us what Supergirl is growing up to be. We've had a string of much better episodes lately. Do you think this is enough to get it off the bubble or is this show doomed to a single season?

Noel: The show's bubble status is a weird conundrum for CBS. Supergirl's ratings have been in freefall for a bit now, and while the Flash showing up gave the show a 30 percent boost in the demo, it's the sort of trendy show that CBS would like to be able to build on. I think the fact that a crossover was easy to execute may help the fact that CBS doesn't own the show outright, so I think it gets a second season, but it'll have to really sort itself out to get a third.

Nick: For all its faults I think it's a show that deserves a second season. It feels like a show that's been getting its sea legs in this latter half of the season and it'd be a shame to not see where it goes after this. Executive producer Ali Adler talked about churning through years of the comics storylines in the recent PaleyFest panel but I wouldn't mind seeing this crew write its own story and see what that's like. Maybe it'd be a disaster. But they have some really great pieces in this show and "Worlds Finest" put them on display. It'd be a shame to see it wasted so unceremoniously.


OTHER FINE THINGS OF NOTE by Nick

– Noel knows that Barry's spinning arm move is my least favorite of his moves. Which is why he brings it up. I just think there are a lot of SFX challenges in making a superhero show (running fast, flying, etc) and we don't need this undue burden of silliness like arm tornadoes. He always looks a fool.

– We didn't really get into it so I wanted to take a minute to talk about Lucy. In a few lines of jammed-in dialogue, Lucy put to rest a lot of sentiments floating around her personality. She at once demonstrated that she might have been a little impulsive about trying to save the relationship and, at the same time, quashed the canon validity of my theory that James has a sexual preference for only Kryptonians. I maintain that this is still the case but mostly because James is so boring that I need something to make him interesting.

– Speaking of which, how about Lucy trying to announce that the DEO has a security protocol. Don't be ridiculous, Major Lane. You should just invest in a well-oiled revolving door at the front of your "clandestine" compound. Disneyland has a more stringent security protocol for visitors than you have. Also: maybe we should find a way to trap villains that isn't glass. I know it's pretty but, I don't know, maybe we get some bars up in here?

– Cat can see through Siobhan's makeup but can't see through Kara's glasses? My new theory is that Cat knows Kara is Supergirl but isn't letting on because 1) she knows the cover is important and 2) how about the power trip you get from ordering Supergirl around? Mind you that she also very quickly put together that Barry was the Flash.

– Now "The Flash" will forever sound pervy to me.

– "Try less, shine more." Sounds like someone has been listening to the Hamilton soundtrack.

– "I HATE HELICOPTERS!" Okay, Livewire. We get it.

– "He was so unfailingly nice that he had to be a superhero or a Mormon." Cat really was on point in this episode.

– Shout out to all the names people called each other in this episode. Cape and Skirt, Sparky, Shrieky, Dynamic Duo, Evil Taylor Swift Squad, The Blur, et al.

– One last note about the kiss at the end: the fact that Kara went through such a range of emotion after James's non-reaction was great, especially when she posited that maybe it was too good. I admire the sharp vacillation from no confidence to high confidence.



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Jun 04, 2016
I found Silver Banshee's look to be really dumb. The hair was cool, but the face makeup just looked stupid, and she looked entirely uncomfortable and stiff in her costume.

As for Cat knowing that Kara is Supergirl - she did figure it out, but at that time, they had the luxury of being able to borrow Jonn's shapeshifting skill and have 'both' characters in the same place for Cat to see and interact with. Even if you're certain you're right about something, seeing something else that contradicts it can make you doubt yourself. She's probably still 80-90% sure they're the same person, but is keeping notes. Supergirl going rogue and Kara being a mean girl at the same time likely added back some pretty big ticks in the 'same' column.
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May 28, 2016
Love how Melissa and Grant were both on glee :)
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Apr 16, 2016
In the flash's defence, it may seem stupid at first that he threw a lightning bolt to defeat live-wire, but I think he did that to overload her just like how "Blackout" from "The Flash season 1" was defeated due to electrical energy overload. Moreover, "Barry" did suggest overloading "live-wire" befrore he and Kara went to the warehouse.
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Apr 06, 2016
I'll admit this is the first episode of Supergirl, I've ever seen, but I am a fan of The Flash, and I'm always game to see the Arrowverse grow itself. And seeing such a bold experiment (inter-company cross-overs) work out is pretty cool. Besides all that, this was a fun piece of television; enough that I hope these crossovers become annual things like the Flash/Arrow ones are. Maybe it's impossible (I hope not), but if Supergirl does tank after the second season, maybe the writers can just import her to Earth-1. Or, at least have her pop up here and there.

I don't get what Mr. Nick's problem is with the spinning arms. Yes, it's kind of goofy but it's also totally logical (a fan is just a pair or more of blades spinning really fast), more so than intangibility. Also, this is a guy who runs around in a red body-suit fighting guys with names like "Captain Boomerang," "Golden Glider," and "The Turtle;" what's the "goofy-ness" curve here?

Also, why did Barry mention Zoom along with all the hero names? It feels kind of out of place. Why not Vixen? Remember her, Barry? You were on her show.
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Apr 04, 2016
Another non regular watcher, brought to this episode through curiosity.

Some decent (although corny) dialogue between Supergirl and Flash.

But......... what a mistake to have the James kiss (I presume the first) / get together in this episode after the much better chemistry of Kara / Barry. I think even the writers with be cringing after watching.
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Apr 04, 2016
Since I don't watch Supergirl, I also don't get to read Nick's reviews. I was going to make exception on the account of Flash visiting, and was pleasantly surprised to discover that Noel came over as well.

This conversation-style article was a great idea - both entertainting and informative. Too bad it can't work this way for most crossover events, unless you find a way to get various dimension Noels all together.
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Apr 03, 2016
Although it may sound stupid on Flash's part to use electricity bolt on Livewire, but in the first plan he proposed, it was to overload her. So I think he was trying to overload her...didn't work out, obviously..,
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Zad
Apr 01, 2016
How could you not like Flash's arm tornadoes?! His arm tornadoes are what allow him to FLY! That's right, people often forget this but the Flash CAN fly, it's just that him running is still faster.
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Mar 31, 2016
"The execution of the villains was all weird." Always is. Any time a superhero movie or TV show tries to do supervillain team-ups, it's always hella awkward (see Spider-Man 3, or any Batman movie after Burton's original). The only ones who I think successfully pulled it off are Penguin and Riddler on Gotham.
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Mar 31, 2016
A+ episode, loved it. I agree with all fantastic things in the review. I was dorking out watching them be adorkable. James who? Do Kara and Barry have a ship name yet cause I'm on board.
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Mar 31, 2016
Kara and Barry had such great chemistry, they were adorable together (as superhero buddies, not as a couple lol). Italia Ricci was awesome. She's gorgeous, and made Silver Banshee look so badass. And, despite liking Italia Ricci, Chasing Life had gotten boring real fast, and I was honestly surprised it did not get canceled after the first season (I did not even watch the second season). Livewire, although not as attractive, is sooo much more badass. Imo, much more likeable than the Superman:TAS version lol.

But, the best part of this crossover, imo, was when Barry got the ice cream. The look of pure joy on Kara's face, was just priceless xD .
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Apr 22, 2016
Sure, but wouldn't that mean he stole the ice cream to show off?
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May 12, 2016
We can assume he made the ice cream himself and left the money behind xD .
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May 13, 2016
You many assume that. I shall assume he stole it from customers who just bought it because those ice cream machines do not operate as fast as he moves.
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May 13, 2016
Face it, the Flash is a thief and a constant giver of second hand spittle.
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May 13, 2016
Lol, true, I did not think about that. Then, we have to assume that he leaves the appropriate amount of money in those customers' hands, to compensate them for their loss xD .
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Mar 31, 2016
This was a really great crossover and definitely a good episode for Supergirl! I think, Supergirl is at its best when it let's Kara be Kara. Benoist's performance is the heart of this show for me, and this week her having a kindred spirit of lighthearted heroics in Barry was exactly what we needed to let Kara (and Benoist) shine.
I really loved when the people of National City ran to Supergirl's aide. Yes, its cheesy. And yes, its something we've seen before. But its also something that gets me every time. Its a display that shows these normal people can be brave too. And I think we can all agree that despite all our flaws and fragility, humans usually outnumber all our big alien enemies. Its just nice to see people fight back, and its nice to see our heroes get rescued every once in awhile, I liked it.
I don't like or even care about James, like AT ALL. I wish they had chosen to develop Kara's relationship with Cat's son rather then forcing the Kara/James thing on us in S1. Everyone on this show seems to want them together (Cat, Lucy, Barry), but I don't. I personally predict that if they actually become a thing its going to be boring and annoying and I'd just rather not.
Though I will say that there was no better way for that kissing scene to go down at the end there. Haha "No more saying, I'm so much better at doing." That's great, and very very true in Kara's case. But more importantly the kiss wasn't followed by sex or a declaration of love, both of which I would have hated because I don't want these two together. But instead it was followed by MIND CONTROL! Yes, Non is back and he's cockblocking Kara. Good job, Non!
Lastly, even though I definitely didn't want anything to go down with Kara and James, I am disappointed in the lack of sex on these DC shows. I get that they are kid friendly, which is great, but it definitely leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to the relationships of our heroes. Not to mention, all the unanswered questions of logistics when it comes to powered people like Barry and Kara. I just need to know.
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Apr 22, 2016
That's cause Nod's looking out for his niece. Sure they are rivals, but like with any monarchy , the family dynamics is all about war and who is allowed at the supper table.
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Mar 31, 2016
Loved Barry and Kara together.
Loved how Cat, tried to help Kara with James...
Hated James every second of this episode...that guy needs to go away...killed off or something...he is soooooo boring...
Loved the bad guys and loved how Cat handled it all.
Loved how Kara looked up to Barry and she needed that advice really badly...
Loved how all the "humans' protected Supergirl...
Missed Alex....


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Mar 31, 2016
This was probably my favourite episode to date. Kara and Barry had such awesome (non-romantic) chemistry, I loved every second that they spent together. Her face when Barry brought her ice cream had me laughing to tears. Barry just made every part of this show better, and I wish he could have met J'onn for even more Barry nerdgasms, which pains me that he's obviously only in this one episode. It really makes me wish that there was a "Supergirl and Flash" TV show. I'm not sure how I'm going to go back to plain old episodes next week sans Barry, when Kara has to have chemistry with James, when it was just infinitely better with Barry, even without romantic subtext.
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Apr 22, 2016
Yes, a Super Friends mini every season would be great. One of the great things about comics were the team ups ( of course it could make you buy a bunch from different series you don't read trying to follow the story line.) That's one of the things LoT has going for it, is the team work of multiple "superheroes". That's probably one of the reasons I liked the Spiderman and his Amazing Friends and later XMen world the most as a kid.
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Mar 31, 2016
Great episode "Worlds Finest"... but i am still a bit confused ... i thought Supergirl and the Flash are from the same Earth...? Maybe i am missing something... would someone be kind to give some detailed...
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Apr 05, 2016
I think the producers made a serious mistake on this show... if i understood correctly... the Stories of Superman and Supergirl are from Earth 1... there were always lot of talks about Superman, The Arrow, The Flash... and then Batman... they are all from Earth 1...if so.. Supergirl is sure from Earth 1 too...I think the producers were in the hurry to make this episode and mixed up with these characters ...
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Mar 31, 2016
If you don't watch the Flash, this would be a bit more confusing, but essentially Barry is from "Earth 1". He recently, with a couple friends, visited "Earth 2" where his primary villain, Zoom, is from. This would, essentially, make Supergirl's Earth "Earth 3".

Basically, as Barry explained in the early portion of the episode, there are many different 'Earths', all of which are different, but similar.
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Mar 31, 2016
The Flash (and Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow, by association) take place on Earth-One. Nobody ever mentioned the existence of Kryptonians on all three shows. Also if you have followed the Flash you know that in early episodes of the show superpowered beings were a novelty to Earth. You can also rule out Earth Two because on Supergirl they don't have vertically oriented TVs and monitors. On Earth three all superpowered beings are evil so this can't be the place.

So she is in an entirely different universe on a planet i like to call Earth-S. This to avoid confusion with other Earths. Well if zoom is finally defeated maybe they can make a new wormhole to this particular universe so everybody can crossover anytime they want. I'm down. But this could be dangerous because villains could also crossover.

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Mar 31, 2016
You know that Earth-S is the setting for The Marvel family among others :)
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Apr 22, 2016
Earth-S is still a DC world. So Earth-ABCD is the one that houses the current Marvel franchise. Hmmmm does Marvel get to have the letter Earths and DC keeps the numbers?
Hmmm then what of Doctor Who where we have Pete's World and Rose's world (defaulted name) since clearly Rory/Rip has an alternate time-traveling identity.
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Mar 30, 2016
The chemestry between Melissa and Grant was great they seem really relax and comfortable around each other, Melissa had more chemestry with him that he one she has with his real life husband.

I've liking Supergirl a lot lately, haven't dislike it at all actually. I missed Hank and Alex but this episode was good. It's a shame we only have to episodes left :(.
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Mar 31, 2016
There chemistry was so good. I loved that it never really felt romantic, it just felt great. They had this instant kinship, and it clicked so well. Kara's face when he showed up with ice cream was simply the greatest.
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Mar 31, 2016
I agree with you, but really Gustin has great chemistry with all the ladies.
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Apr 03, 2016
Except Iris
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Mar 30, 2016
Over (un)Supergirl

I have watched Supergirl since its pilot episode. But after Tuesday night's episode (1-18, “World's Finest”) I'm not so sure I want to keep watching. The thing is, I was kind of excited about the crossover with Barry Allen, a.k.a. the Flash, showing up. And he was kind of cool. But I was sorely disappointed with Supergirl's so called “super powers” (and have been for a while now).

Sure, she can fly at super speed, and has X-ray vision, and heat vision, and all the other abilities she is supposed to have. But she really seems to be lacking in other “super” powers.

To start: She (and the Flash) were going up against the Silver Banshee and Livewire. But when Silver Banshee let loose with a powerful sonic blast it disoriented Supergirl and made her ears bleed! So she had to wear special ear buds provided by Barry to block the sound.

The next time they met, the sonic blast actually threw Supergirl backward into a wall. And then Silver Banshee punched Supergirl and knocked her at least ten or fifteen feet away, and down!

And then when Livewire sent an electrical blast at a helicopter, Supergirl blocked it, but was rendered almost unconscious, and fell out of the sky.

She doesn't seem very super to me.

But she isn't the only reason I have gotten dissatisfied with the show: it seems like they have written out Alex Danvers (Chyler Leigh) in favor of Lucy Lane (Jenna Dewan Tatum). Now I think both women are as gorgeous as they can be, but if I had to choose which one to keep in the show, it would have to be Alex Danvers. Not only because she is Kara's sister, but she was there first.

And It seems like Hank Henshaw/J'onn J'onzz (David Harewood) is gone as well. But if they need to cut down on the cast, the one to go should be James Olson (Mehcad Brooks). The main reason is because Hank Henshaw/J'onn J'onzz is a much more interesting character, and is a “super hero” besides.

James Olson, on the other hand, has done nothing other than moon, first over Lucy Lane, and then over Kara Danvers. He brings nothing to the show that couldn't be provided by an extra brought in off the street.

The show, which showed so much promise at the beginning, has slowly become so much of a letdown that makes me wonder if I want to waste an hour each week watching it.

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Mar 30, 2016
I know they needed to have Sioban discover Leslie being held captive but there had to be a more credible way to do that. I know of office building that have more restrictions as to exactly which floor and where on that floor a guest can go than does the super-secret DEO. Anyone can just waltz through there un-escorted and see anything!

I like Lucy Lane in her role as head of DEO. But I still miss Alex, who apparently has been written out as a regular character on the show.

And I loved the super-hero "inside quips" between Flash and Supergirl.

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Apr 22, 2016
Waiiiiitttt, Alex is really no longer a main cast member? Isn't the big issue of the show about sister bonds? I think its rather nice for a superhero to have a non-powered older sibling to look out for them. It's a very nice type of vulnerability and support that usually is missing in superhero stories as they usually have only their parents or best friend (who often becomes a villian) and that really is nowhere near the same as a sibling dynamic.
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Mar 30, 2016
This was a fun episode! with a lot of nice one liners
"I'm Barry Allen i'm the fastest man alive also think that i'm on the wrong Earth."
"Well after she went all Mariah Carey on you she just split."
"You look like an attractive non-threatening yet racially diverse cast of a CW show."
"The Flash sounds like someone whose superpower is jumping out of an alley in a trench coat."
"We have a rogue like that we call him Blackout."
"Aww you have a sister? where she at?"
"Figured we could team up." "Like an evil Taylor Swift squad?
"I see bad guys love their abandoned warehouses on your Earth too huh?"
"Catch the bad girl, bring her back here so she can't hurt anyone, 85% chance of punching."
C'mon Barry! thunderbolt is not gonna be effective on Livewire!
"I want her to book me a massage with the same physio who did wonders for Beyonce after her Super Bowl performance."
"One for all and all for...you guys have 3 Musketeers here right?
"Hey Sparky, Shrieky."
Everytime Non comes on screen I get hungry for naan.
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Mar 30, 2016
This episode was funny, sugary, nerdy, awesome fun.
Barry aka The Flash can help out any show any day and I would be one happy person.
No seriously, let's just have him come around to every show I watch, Vampire Diaries? He could help kill Rayna? Or maybe, Supernatural !? He could help kill Amara?! Izombie? He could help solve cases?! And it goes on and on and on. I just love me some Barry.
The ending though, had me rolling my eyes, it was super cheesy. Overly cheesy, Disney channel, YTV cheesy. But meh. That's Supergirl for ya.
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Mar 30, 2016
Barry had more chemistry with Kara in one episode than he ever had with Iris in one and a half seasons :/

The episode was ok i guess, the flash really boosted up the quality of Supergirl (cause let's face it, the show still sucks)

Banshee's costume was terrible however, it looked like a halloween costume
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Mar 30, 2016
Supergirl and Flash were so natural and relaxed together. That made the episode. I would have been happy with a few more episodes of them together.

And Cat's dialogue also made the episode outstanding. Whenever the writers let Cat be three-dimensional, as they did here and in an earlier episode in her conversation over dinner with her son, her character shines.

As for the Kara/Olsen match-up, it is awful. To begin with, his character was miscast. And there is no natural chemistry between them, only what the writers are forcing.

If they want Kara to have a love life, they should introduce a new character. This is not a televised version of a comic book. It's its own show and they have leeway to mold it as best suits the story. Which includes new characters.


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Mar 30, 2016
Well the chemistry between Benoist & Gustin was amazeballs and somebody has to go and write a romantic comedy for them pronto! Tthat I will probably not watch since I am not into that... but just saying!

They just looked adorbs smiling to each other like twins... the rest of the ep was very silly except for Cat's scenes.
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Mar 30, 2016
Loved it.. Supergirl + Flash was way better than any arrow and Flash crossover..
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Mar 31, 2016
I tend to agree. While it felt novelty, it felt like the best kind of novelty. While Flash and Arrow have to live in the same world, Flash and Supergirl don't, so they could get away with a lot more, and the fact that they were so new to each other (since they weren't aware of each other's worlds) made it so delightful.
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Mar 30, 2016
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Mar 30, 2016
About the sex thing, I never thought of it before. Although didn't Thea and Roy were shown post shirtless hugs once?

And Barry had a discussion with Cisco about being scared that he's going to do that really fast if you get my drift.

Anyway, I can actually understand it in Supergirl's case. They had a similar issue on Smallville first. Clark said he was afraid of Sex because of his strength, if he gets too excited, he might actually rip a girl's neck out.

I don't see why Kara is different and can totally understand if she's too scared of doing it for that reason.
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Mar 31, 2016
Part of it in Smallville, was the fact that Clark wasn't really familiar with his powers. Kara has had 15 years to deal with them, so I feel like it would be less of a concern. It's kind of up in the air as to whether she is a virgin (since this is something they never discuss), but given that she is nearly 30 at this point, I feel like she must have had sex at least once by this point (whereas Clark was still a youngin).
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Apr 01, 2016
She's 30?!? I thought she was meant to be in her early twenties?
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Apr 01, 2016
She was 13-14 when she left/arrived, and that was 15 years ago as I recall. I'm working under the assumption that she is ~28-30 right now.
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Mar 30, 2016
Great review guys ! And a good episode, but from all that publicity before, I was expecting more from this ... I mean, I understand that Barry was a guest here, but damn' ... beside the pep talks we didn't get to see much of what he can do.
First, two pathetic super villains that got washed away ... literally. Second, not much fighting involved... I understand the villains were ladies, but I see more fighting in Arrow. Also, Win trying to play Cisco's role ...laim. And I honestly hope that Cat secretly knows Kara is Supergirl cuz' if not, she must be blind on one eye.
Finally, I think it would have been better if they made a "Supergirl reconciliation with the people" episode before this one, because all that pep talk and people helping her, and with 2 superheroes, the villains got beaten by a fireman, was just a waste of air time.
Anyway, Barry's appearance spiced up this show and apparently they try to do this a lot latelly (Joh'n, Laura Vandervoort, Dean Cain, Red Tornado, a kinda Brainiac)... Hope we'll get to see Superman by the end of the season.
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Mar 30, 2016
"Handsome log", haha. It seems to me that the writers' insistence Kara and James being a thing is because James is in the name of diversity. Arrow tried the same thing with Quentin and Felicity's mother and it made just as little sense. Pairing bald guys with blonde women (or with blonde highlights) shouldn't be done for its own sake.

"They feel like they have to have some kind of love interest in Kara's life because that's what shows do, but it's misplaced. But then again, I also think this show is very interested in the idea of keeping Kara very chaste."

Yeah, they need to realise they can't have their cake and eat it, too. This is obviously a show that cares about the messages it sends its younger viewers, so maybe they should have had Kara not even have or pursue a relationship with anyone for the entire first season, and in doing so, say "it's OK to not have a boyfriend". Then maybe give her two boyfriends in the hypothetical second season (not concurrently) because having two sexual(ish) relationships in the space of a year or so doesn't make you a slut. Of course the former could have been ratings kryptonite to a show that's struggling as it is, and the latter would require them to find not one, but two actors who have sufficient chemistry with Melissa Benoist and write worthy characters for them.

re Barry's alternate history examples: the WWII one is probably a given, but how could he be sure Kennedy was assassinated on this Earth, ever became President, or was ever born?

"Could you imagine if Green Arrow showed up in National City? It would just be Oliver, James, and Winn sitting in a room together listening to The Smiths." Hahahahaha! Sadly, I would watch that. And the episode title writes itself: "The Queen is Dead".
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Mar 30, 2016
Umm... James was cast as he was probably in the name of diversity, but the fact that he and Kara were meant to be an item isn't. They were a couple in the comics too. I think. At least they were in the animated version of Superman.

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Mar 30, 2016
I didn't know they were a couple in the comics. I just think this Olsen is a bit of a non-character, and while I doubt the writers would use the same description, they must know there are better options.
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Mar 30, 2016
"You look like the racially diverse, non-threatening cast of a CW show."

Look out, even the fourth wall isn't safe from Cat! And this coming from a character in a show that makes The Flash look like Game of Thrones in terms of tone and violence.
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Mar 30, 2016
Deadpool can take credit for that
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Mar 30, 2016
This episode reminded me of the Spiderman movies. "Hey I have a secret identity which I'll let anyone know about!"

Barry just took his mask off for anyone and everyone!
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Mar 31, 2016
Why should he care? I was amazed he even went to the small depths that he did. He's in a whole different universe. He doesn't have to give a shit if anyone finds out his identity. He has no loved ones. No address. If they find out he's Barry Allen, all they are gonna do is go "who the fuck is that?".
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Mar 30, 2016
Barry was in another universe, so it was unlikely that anyone who found out would ever be able to tell anyone that mattered. Kara on the other hand, knew almost nothing about Barry when she chose to reveal herself to him.
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Mar 30, 2016
Barry showed up 5 minutes earlier. For all he knows, this universe has a version of him as the Flash and he just exposed him.

But yeah, the Spiderman reference holds because there were multiple scenes taken from it. Like the people standing to protect Kara (I think all 3 of Reimi films had it).
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Mar 31, 2016
Barry showed up 5 minutes earlier. For all he knows, this universe has a version of him as the Flash and he just exposed him.

Seems unlikely, since Kara had no idea who he was.
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Mar 30, 2016
Every time I have to read "Spiderman" I have to cringe. Spider-Man, guys... Spider-Man
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Mar 30, 2016
So am I the only one who now ships Kara and Barry?
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Mar 31, 2016
I greatly enjoyed the pair, but I found their chemistry to be something other than romantic. They seemed like awesome super-bros to me, rather than romantic partners. But that's just me.
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Mar 30, 2016
Nooo! I loved them too :) Finally some real chemistry on this show.
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Mar 30, 2016
I stopped watching Supergirl after 3 episodes, Arrow during the second season, and The Flash after 3 episodes into season 2. Online reviews and recaps of all 3 series remind me I’m not missing anything by not watching, that all 3 shows are still firmly mired in the tedious formula of boring, plodding, overly drawn out serial plots and storylines; sophomoric, soap operish love interests, triangles, and romantic entanglements; characters who ought to remain dead instead of recurring to continue the same old deceptions and mayhem in rethreaded storylines; and heroes who behave more stupid than smart who never seem to learn from their mistakes.

So the Supergirl/Flash crossover was a welcome breath of fresh air. It was fun to watch, despite flaws I’m entirely willing to overlook because the episode made me laugh. If all 3 series consistently contained a fraction of the fun set loose in “Worlds Finest”, or the Arrow/Flash crossovers for that matter, they might still hold my interest.
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Apr 04, 2016
I believe that The Flash still occasionally manages that kind of fun/entertaining episode other than during crossovers (like the most recent time travelling one), but other than that... you are on point. They even botched that whole trip to Earth-2.
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Apr 04, 2016
I agree The Flash does occasionally return to the fun tone of its early episodes, but the season 2 return of another Harrison Wells, another evil speedster storyline, reappearance of the Reverse Flash and Eddie Thorne, and the entire Earth 2 storyline, just seems like a ridiculous rehash of season 1 with no real new stories, or the fun. I don’t really watch it anymore so I’m just going by the recaps, but the novelty wore off for me early in season 2. Arrow is simply an embarrassment which needs to lay down and disappear already.
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Mar 30, 2016
There was a lot to love about this episode. Kara's reaction to Barry demonstrating his super-speed by bring her, James, and Winn ice cream. "Hey, do you like donuts?" "Who doesn't love donuts?" "I know a place." I don't know why but that conversation between Kara and Barry had me in stitches. Cat's nonchalant reaction to Kara showing up at the office after being thrown out a window. Cat's CW joke. Cat making "The Flash" sound pervy. "Is that a spaceship?" "That's actually MY spaceship!" "I love this Earth - Can I get a picture with it?" Another conversation between Kara and Barry that had me in stitches. Also, come on, Lucy. The man is from another universe. Let him take one picture with Kara's spaceship! There was just too much good in this episode to list...

But...

With an exception for the dialogue in this episode, the writing was atrocious.

-The DEO once again proved to be utterly incompetent and completely useless. "Hey, Boss. Supergirl and her friend just brought in a young woman that developed an acute case of sonic scream. What should we do with her?" "Was the patient a prisoner at Fort Rozz?" "No, ma'am. In fact, our tests indicate that she is completely human." "I see. Is the patient currently evil." "Well, um, she doesn't appear to be evil at this time but there isn't really a test to confirm..." "Eh. Just let her go." "But, ma'am, shouldn't we try to determine where he superhuman abilities came from?" "I said 'let her go.'" "Yes, ma'am."

-Siobhan goes to aunt for advice; her aunt flat out tells her that her sonic scream with "decimate" a person if she just thinks about them and screams. Siobhan uses this ability to break Livewire out of her prison cell in the very next scene. Why didn't Siobhan just think about Kara and scream? As far as Siobhan knows, Kara is just a regular human being. How would Supergirl protect Kara from a sonic scream that she doesn't even know where it is coming from? It seems like something Siobahn should have tried before teaming up with another super-villain.

-The contrived reasons why Kara and Barry lost their first fight with Silver Banshee and Livewire. Kara and Barry going in without preparing, Barry stupidly boosting Livewire by throwing lightening at him, etcetera.

Has the writing always been this bad? I might not have noticed it before, but the super-fast pace of this episode may have highlighted it for me.
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Mar 30, 2016
Has the writing always been this bad?
Yes. I'll also add to the list that it makes 0 sense for Banshee and Livewire to kidnap Cat to a PARK.

I mean Livewire needs as much electricity as she can get for escape routes and Banshee needs a smaller space so Kara\Barry won't be able to runaway as much. Why take them to an open field?

Oh, right, so the crowed will be there for the next scene to cheer them on.
Still doesn't make much sense.

It was still a rather fun episode, but very little of it made sense and it's a common thing on Supergirl. The Flash is slightly better, not by much.
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Mar 29, 2016
Am I the only who saw livewire go down and thing: Powerpuff girls? Episode Too Pooped to Puff?
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Mar 29, 2016
Great episode! I'm a solid Flash watcher, but I typically will last minute watch Supergirl from my DVR when I'm bored. I knew it would be a great mash up because Barry and Supergirl are such adorkable fluffy vanilla heroes, its like they are a matching pair of comfortable socks. Ha ha. They had pretty good dynamic. I think I can agree with everyone else that I am not feeling the whole James/Kara thing. But we shall see.
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Mar 29, 2016
Well, it was geeky cool to see this cross-over, no doubt about it.

I had fun watching it, that much I can admit! :)

But cross-over episodes like this need a minimum of at least 2 episodes in order to give it justice and this episode immensely proves it.

The lack of time, in this case, ended up voiding any tension and urgency of the threats posed by the villains.

It would have made sense to finish the first episode with a really bad-ass cliffhanger.

We never doubted for a moment that Cat was in any real danger.

We know the lead heroes will make it out unscathed.

So cramming all of this into 42 minutes of view-able airtime, that was the real downside of the affair, it practically threw away the potentially awesome conflict we expected to see.

But Kudos for team Supergirl (the writers) for really planning this well, In that respect it payed off, moving forwards many of the plot points within the show.
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Mar 29, 2016
I thought this crossover was better than the Arrow/Flash ones.

I've said before that I don't ship couples... however I might go white river rafting with Barry and Kara on the S.S. Super Flash.

Those two must have another episode or three together, it should be a requirement for superheroes who are that freaking cute together.

The meetings of Barry and Oliver were mostly ninety percent Oliver telling Barry what he's doing wrong. They work well together but they don't click on the superhero level like Barry and Kara. Those two mesh like macaroni and cheese. Darn it all, I've just used a food reference in comparing people. The thing with them is that they don't need exposition and explanations. They're just on the same wavelength it's sweet but not cloying.

Now, before I start sounding like a shipper. Lets address James 'wuss-on' Last time I called him a wussy I didn't get how bad he really is. He is so much worse than I originally believed. He spent every moment with Barry and Kara in a kind of hang dog pouty fog. I think Lucy had the wrong idea. James wasn't keeping his distance because of his break up with Lucy. He was hanging back because he got a picture of exactly how out classed he really is. Barry aside, he is so out of his league with Kara I would feel bad for the guy if he wasn't such a waste of a life.

Wuss-on waits for Barry to leave before showing up at Kara's and I swear two seconds later he wants to know if Barry's left the planet. Even with his competition gone, he still doesn't have the nerve to make the first move. Kara has to do it! I wanted to smash my head into a wall! He reminds me of the Jimmy Olson from the Superman movies with Christopher Reeve, but without any guts what's so ever.

I truly believe the only reason they had Myriad kick in as she kissed him is because they knew he would mess it up. James Wuss-on is such a screw up, he has risen past Bellamy of 100 for stupidest being ever. Honestly, they should give an award at the Emmy's. He'd beat everybody.

I can't think of a single thing that could improve him... unless... the Kryptonians erase his memories. Maybe then he wouldn't be such a epic tool. Yes, (sigh) I actually used the word tool to describe someone. I need a shower.
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Mar 29, 2016
1: How can Silver Banshee push/punch Supergirl so she gets thrown away when she has no extra strenght powers?

2: Scientist like Barry juices up Linewire like an idiot? just lame!

3: Everyone is allowed to roam around unattended in the DEO?

4:Did they suddenly all know bout the "sisters"?

5: Having the show set to Earth 3 ruins the entire show imo,
Supergirl belongs on Earth 1 along with Arrow, Batman, Flash & Superman. (Supergirl of Earth3 was an alternative storyline due to Supergirl Earth 1 version beeing killed, and this is just making it weird and crappy..)

Am i the only one that found this episode confusing and wrong ? :p
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Mar 30, 2016
1) Actually I believe in the comics she does have Super Strength. Wikipedia seems to say so. I think they just forgot to mention this in the show.

2) Not to mention, all this time he was running around her, he could have just punched her or toss water at her

3) Yep...

4) Wait, who doesn't know? The only one who didn't was Lucy. Which is dumb on its own. If she is suddenly head of the DEO, how could she not know before?

5) I said this elsewhere, they have to put Supergirl in an alternate earth. It's bad enough half the time Arrow doesn't call Barry.

Imagine us asking every week why doesn't Oliver or Barry call up Kara.
Not to mention Clark...
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Apr 01, 2016
yeah she does have heightened strenght, not at the lvl she showed here tho..but thats just a minor issue anyways..i kinda liked her with some more power.. some comcis she could fly, in other versions she could not so..
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Mar 30, 2016
I agree with most of that, but there's clearly no Superman on Earth 1 (since he's never been mentioned), so there can't really be a Supergirl either.
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Mar 30, 2016
I said this elsewhere in the comments before, Rip mentioned the Man of Steel in Legends of Tomorrow.
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Mar 31, 2016
But he could easily show up later. It could be that on 'Earth 1' he simply hasn't revealed himself yet. Or, as Gully mentions, he could be referencing someone totally different (like say, Cyborg, for example).
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Mar 31, 2016
DC has lots of Men of Steel.
John Henry Irons aka Steel
Henry Heywood aka Steel
Hank Heywood aka Commander Steel
Nathan Heywood aka Citizen Steel
Henry Heywood Jnr aka Captain Steel
Sarge Steel aka Sarge Steel
Unfortunately none of the Metal Men make the list.
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Apr 01, 2016
@Gully_Foyle this is not an issue of imagination. This is not a mystery where we are trying to see all possible solutions.

This is simple English words where the intention of the writers was clear. I just said it earlier, what if he actually used the word "Superman"?

Would you then say he meant Clark? or would you use your "imagination" to say maybe he meant another Superman?

That's not imagination, that's self delusion.

The writers simply threw a random comment that they never followed through (and likely never will) and its intention is clear to give fan boys a nod, especially when the movie was about to come out.

Can they squirm out of it? Sure. Shows do goofs all the time which we're supposed to ignore or try to explain things terribly. But if you're trying to imply that their intention was not to give a nod to Superman - well...

/shrug
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Mar 31, 2016
Also just a minor point but Rip did not mention a Man of Steel.
"I have seen men of steel die and dark knights fall."
Notice the use of the plural and not the singular.
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Mar 31, 2016
Jason,
just because you lack any imagination doesn't mean we all lack imagination.
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Mar 31, 2016
Sorry, but that's just dumb.

If they had said Superman you would have said "maybe it's not the same Superman we know, cause we have more than one superhero with the same name"

Seriously, when you google "man of steel" how far do you have to go to get your results? since the first couple of pages are all Superman.

The writer's intention was clear here.
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Mar 30, 2016
FWIW, from the Wikipedia page for the comic book character:

Silver Banshee has superhuman strength, agility, speed, endurance, and a high degree of resistance to physical and energy-based attacks. Her incredibly strong and destructive hypersonic wails, sonic screams, and sonic yells can kill anyone within a certain range as long as she can see her victim and knows their secret true name. Victims are usually reduced to desiccated husks. Silver Banshee is able to use her sound/sonic-based abilities to teleport via sound waves.
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Mar 30, 2016
Yeah i know what wiki says.. i also know what dc comics shows and that she was never near the strenght to punch a kryptonian flying several feet , but like i said, it does make her even cooler than b4 so it's something i can live with, but along with the rest i find wrong compared to the comics it made the episode weak in my opinion.. maybe having been a DC fan for 33 years(since i was 5) makes it harder for me to like than newer readers/viewers/fans .. tnx for a civil respond tho :)
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Mar 29, 2016
I saw a lot of wrong but I focus on the Flash and comedy.
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Mar 30, 2016
yeah i get what you mean.. just not that easy for all to do always :)
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Mar 30, 2016
I rarely watch supergirl. More annoyance than I can take.
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Mar 29, 2016
*Livewire ..pesky little typo! ..
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Mar 29, 2016
Oliver Queen talking to Supergirl: 'You may be an alien, but have you been stuck on an island for five years'!

Also, the blur was what Clark called himself on Smallville
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Mar 29, 2016
Is it me or did Barry just take off his mask at every opportunity?
Secret Identity?? Who needs it?
I gave up on this episode the minute I saw Siobhan in the DEO..
DEO penetrated again by Silver Banshee?? Of course it was....
The Flash's appearance did liven things up with the group but since he's gone, back to meh!! I'm still watching but this show is sloppily written and the example i'll use is while the Barry/Kara dynamic was great...the Kara/James chemistry is now dead as the kiss he won't remember.( and they have been building up that this whole season!..WHOOPS))
Supergirl on CBS!!.. we are in the home stretch of the 1st season. This myriad storyline better bring it home or S2 WILL probably be on CW if anyone still cares..

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Mar 31, 2016
Why should Barry give a shit? He's in another goddamn dimension. If people find out his identity, what are they going to do? Fashion a dimensional portal to 'Earth 1', and go "oh man, now I've got you Barry! I'm comin to your hometown now, mother fucker!"
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Mar 29, 2016
his secret identity didn't matter the moment he realized this wasnt his world or zoom's world... no-one knew him anyway and there want any way they could exploit his personal life here... because he didnt have one

but he does do that a lot :P
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Mar 29, 2016
It was kind of weird seeing Barry competent. That being said it was a good episode. Siobhan's outfit was kind of hilarious, it was less intimidating and more that one hotter undergrad girl that you didn't know she was a huge cosplay nerd or really into Halloween.
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Mar 29, 2016
I liked this episode, Kara and Barry had a good chemistry and it was funny. But I don't feel Kara and James together. I don't know why but they are better off each other.
Anyway something troubling me, maybe today's episode of the Flash will put some light on it. But so is all Supergirl's story happening on another universe than The Flash, Arrow, DC's legend of tomorrow or what??
It feels very weird that Kara didn't know a thing about Barry, Oliver and all and vice & versa. Because normally they are linked. Now I think about it I never saw in Arrow or The Flash an allusion to superman nor any allusion in Supergirl about them (but it's possible I missed it). Ok they are not broadcast by the same network but that didn't prevent this cross over then why?

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Mar 29, 2016
They said in the Supergirl Episode that they were on different earth's. Neither had ever heard of the other on their own earth. Its a good trick to allow each network to have their own universe but still occasionally have a crossover once in a while.
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Mar 30, 2016
Yes I heard that they said they were on different Earth but I thought it was just for this crossover. But apparently Supergirl and The flash are always on different Earth
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Mar 30, 2016
no.. they where on the same earth in the first DC versions, Supergirl died in that "verse" and they stopped making the comics, then at some point later DC revived Supergirl with the earth 3 version..
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Mar 30, 2016
Ah Ok that explains things thanks.
I never reads DC's comics then I don't really know a thing about it but even if Supergirl died on Earth 1 people from Earth 1 especially superheroes like The Flash should have known about her existence at some times. But then I understand why she didn't know of them.
Anyway we can't they that The Flash, Supergirl... are the best to respect logic.
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Mar 29, 2016
Loved it, just the perfect amount of cheesy comic book goodness.
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Mar 29, 2016
It’s going to seem odd next week seeing a threat that is both Krytonian and world-wide, yet without Superman getting involved.

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Mar 29, 2016
I haven't watched Supergirl since like episode 5 or so, so this episode was like night and day different. The villain stuff was dumb but that didn't really matter to me cause the character stuff and the chemistry was amazing. Cat, Barry, Kara and Winn stole the show.

Kara's excitement when Barry brought her an ice cream cone was gold.
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Mar 29, 2016
First episode I've tuned into since the pilot and WOW this show is a mess. Doesn't say much about a show when the guest star is far and away the best part of the episode. Why on Earth did they cast this James Olsen , he is a HORRIBLE actor, literally 0 chemistry with his co-stars and the fact that he is the main love interest just drags down the entire show, Grant Gustin just further highlighted this with his amazing chemistry with Melissa Benoist. The action sequences and CGI are also horrible, she's Supergirl but yet half the time she stands there while the villain does her thing , it's like watching a game of chess your move ok now it's my turn and my move ... that's not what a superhero fight should look like. The CW does a far better job with a smaller budget.
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Mar 29, 2016
Loving the show and this is the best episode yet (I watched it 3 times because it was so good! The chemistry of Barra was fantastic.) I know that these aren't amazing numbers for CBS but it is in a separate genre than what the network demographic is used to, it probably needs another season at least for it to hit it's stride and get the support of the people who watch it, (It also doesn't help that less and less people are using tv and switching to online shows, with geekdom being at the forefront of it.)
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Mar 29, 2016
I'm very glad to see two voices on this review, that's something I've been pushing for on the site's reviews for a long time now.

This episode felt like it could have carried a two-parter mainly because the ending was so brief and there was so little conflict between the main characters, not that there needs to be a lot but some. Ultimately, we didn't get to see them work together in any successful way, and that's a shame.

Also, why wouldn't there be Cisco and Iris and Joe here? Just put them in different places, not useful to Barry. That felt a bit forced and needless just to explain why they weren't bringing in other actors.

Ugh, won't you move that picture of Livewire, Cat, and Silver Banshee down the page where we don't have to look at it and cringe in its awfulness so soon into the review? That was such a flop of an ending.

James' spurring to action was the most hamfisted, clumsy character writing I've seen in ages, so the payoff was just the worst. He really came off as a non-character here.

As for the firefighter saving Kara, I cringed at that because it was virtually identical to the opening credits shot of Superman saving her from her crashed pod, and for a show that trades on feminism so heavily, it's frustrating to see our heroine constantly needing a man to save her. This is where words vs. deeds was another factor that drove me away from the show, Agent Carter handled this stuff right without making a big deal, while Supergirl says the things but doesn't walk the walk particularly well. Had they put a female firefighter in that position, it wouldn't have cost them anything and would have earned them smarter goodwill. I didn't see "Falling" but couldn't that fireman just have manned the pump and not been the god-savior imagery?

Also, maybe save the "real people are heroes too" message for an episode that isn't overstuffed with heroes, this cut the story down hard.

So, do we ignore that Kara and Barry moved faster than the speed of light in this episode, yet again? Or is Livewire's electricty she throws way slower?

Cat Grant's behavior in the last few minutes, what a tonal shift. Begging for her children's sake? What was that? That came out of nowhere. I know the writing is dumb on this show, so I tried to forgive "they're after me so I'm going to stay put and show them, oh noes I'm catptured" [yeah, pun intended], but then for her to go from strong to soft while SITTING ON A PARK BENCH was awful.

Barry has a sister too, he just happens to be trying to date her.

I suspect a 1.7 (30% bump is only bringing it up to its weaker point at the end of last year) will not save this alone, it'll be a tough slog for the producers and network. This show still has a high production cost... mainly for no good reason since the DEO portion is utterly unnecessary and requires expensive sets, additional props, and more extras; not to mention bizarrely producing it here in Los Angeles; and the show is underperforming while getting critically dashed. I know there's a lot of assumption it'll get picked up, but I don't think this episode is the savior, it's still on the bubble.

Nick, if you think the arm thing is bad, you know how I feel about Barry taking off his cowl: every single friggin' time is a shot-reverse shot with a harsh edit to hide the fact that it doesn't really come off that way, it's glaringly obvious and I hate seeing it.

James Olsen wants to screw Superman, and Kara is the quickest way to do that. There, I said it. That's what the writers are subconsciously saying by talking about her penchant for Kryptonians. Not in a gay way either, just in a hero worship way, he wants to be intimate and important to Superman so badly, it feels like Kara is his surrogate. Sure, I'm probably off-base with writer intentions, but you can't say it doesn't come off that way a little.
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Mar 30, 2016
I actually liked the Cat begging part. For all we know, she did it just to try and manipulate Leslie. It was almost working, you could see LiveWire's expression change and she had second thoughts. It's hostage 101. Try to say personal things about yourself so that your capture will think of you as a human not an object.

Then Barry and Kara showed up and the whole things was over.


As for James, I totally agree. I don't get it. He tried to use the watch thing, which alerts Superman. So after he was pushed down, he is still moving just fine. Why doesn't he use it then? No way LiveWire had any idea what he was doing with his watch.
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Mar 29, 2016
BARRY: Cisco, Dr. Wells, Iris! I just got back from another Earth, and aliens are real!

DC'S LEGENDS OF TOMORROW: Yes! Another thing to put in our crazy stone soup of a show.

BARRY: Sorry timecops, not for you, only that universe has 'em, we're not allowed to.
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Mar 30, 2016
Except Rip did mention Man of Steel on Legends of Tomorrow.

Why do so many people forget about this?
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Mar 29, 2016
Regarding Kara's chaste-ness, the producers seem to aim for an Archie Comics audience the way the Silver Age version of Supergirl did, very wholesome, sock hop, malt shop, jalopies and "room between for Jesus" dancing. It feels like infantilizing the character, and is one of the reasons I walked away from this show a few months ago. There's nothing wrong with wholesomeness, but when your show uses a pretense of "real world" grit about the violence and sociopolitics, being wholesome to the point of naivete is childish. Melissa Benoist is a grown woman, she's done revealing topless TV, she's a real person, why can't Supergirl live in that world where she's charming and positive but not written like a child? The only other Berlanti-verse character remotely close to that is Ray "The Atom" Palmer, he's repeatedly thrashed for it, it's played for contrast, and nobody believes he can carry a show on his own.
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Mar 29, 2016
(I mentioned the topless thing from Homeland only because it was an adult making a career choice; that's different from hacked personal photos which should have nothing to do with this conversation.)
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Mar 30, 2016
It shouldn't. But it does. Generalization is for idiots and each case is different. Maybe it was personal. Maybe it was another adult career choice. You know, "plan B" if things go south.
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Mar 29, 2016
I loved it. The Flash makes everything better. Now I want more lol
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Mar 29, 2016
Wow. Kara and Barry were soooo gay for each other! I think they gave me cavities, but they were great together. Definitely a good episode, but the review was spot-on with James- he's always been pretty bland (emphasis on "pretty," I suppose), but there's no way that I'm gonna buy that he deserves Kara now. I really want a 2nd season- mostly cuz Benoist is so damn great as Supergirl (and adorable)- but they need to sort out the chemistry issues, and make some casting decisions.
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