Supernatural "Goodbye Stranger" Review: Requiem for a Demon

Supernatural S08E17: “Goodbye Stranger”


Well, it wouldn’t be the second half of a Supernatural season if the entire story hadn’t devolved into a big giant angst-fest. You know, more so than the show's usual angst-fest. Sam is probably dying. Again. Castiel is being weird and evasive. Again. And once again, Dean is stuck in the middle, wondering why he doesn’t get nice things. Welcome to the homestretch, ya’ll!

Also: MEG! MEG, NOOOO! COME BAAAAAACK!

More on my bitter tears later. Fresh off of a trippy adventure in his own personal “Mystery Spot,” Castiel caught up with the Brothers Winchester when they invaded his turf in search of whatever was randomly killing demons in a small town. That "something" turned out to be Castiel himself, so I guess in actuality they all caught up to each other. How quaint!

From the jump, Dean and Sam suspected that there was something off with Castiel, which leaves Dean 2 for 2 with the knowing-his-family-members-are-lying-about-stuff record. Earlier, he spotted Sam’s bloody tissues in the trash bin back at the Batcave and between Sam’s supernatural black lung and the really great job the makeup people are doing making Jared Padalecki look like he’s perpetually fighting off the flu, it wasn’t hard to figure out that Sam isn’t as fine as he claims-- but really, is he ever? Cas further elaborated on Moose’s condition by claiming that Sam was “damaged in ways he can’t heal” and implying that it was electromagnetic (!?) in nature. Thanks for your insight, Cas. I guess. But brownie points to the Supernatural crew for making an effort to at least show a gradual progression toward...whatever we’re working toward. I’d rather have details dangled in the dialogue and Sam discretely hacking up a lung than the usual modus operandi of ignoring everything until it suddenly becomes relevant again. It makes me think that this story is being thought out and planned, as opposed to slapped together over hellatus. I like it. It makes up for the blah cases of the week that preceded this wangsty adventure and the general clusterfuck of the first half of the season. Amelia even kind of sort of made sense once Meg compared her to a unicorn during her and Sammich’s little heart-to-heart.

Man, oh man, I’ve been waiting years for Meg to put everything she learned when she possessed Sam waaaaay back in season 2 to good use. I had always assumed she’d go for blackmail because, well, because it’s MEG, but given her recent fast track to heroism, using Sam’s “sad little thoughts” to make him feel better about the whole Amelia thing was also totes appropriate. I liked how she had to ask why he stopped the car after running over a poor, defenseless dog. That’s my Meg.

But apparently my Meg is dead now and I’m not okay. Maybe if she had gone out with a bigger bang instead of the rush job we got during Sam and Dean’s great escape, but the bros just sitting there watching it happen just kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Sure, sure, she’s a demon. She’s been pretty nasty in the past. Okay, REALLY nasty. But this has been a season for returning to the gray areas of hunting—being pals with Benny, letting him go after he ate Martin because he was totally justified in eating Martin, letting that werewolf chick from the episode that was sponsored by Dramamine go. Over the past few seasons, Meg has, however reluctantly, ended up as a sort of associate member of Team Free Will. She even pointed out the change herself and was appropriately grossed out by it. The argument can be made that she acted largely out of opportunity to join the winning team and her overwhelming hatred for Crowley, but then there was her relationship with Castiel, which “Goodbye Stranger” confirmed to be romantic, sexual-ish, and completely canon. This was followed up by her comparison of Castiel and Amelia as her’s and Sam’s respective “unicorns” who got them to leave behind the lives that had once consumed them.

I really should have known that she was a goner with character development like that, but Meg’s been around since the beginning. She gets smacked around and sent to the time-out corner, but she always comes back. She’s like a sardonic cockroach.

With that said, this is Supernatural and what’s dead doesn’t tend to stay dead. So you never know. Meg could very well pop up a season or two from now in a new meatsuit. (I hope, I hope, I hope.)

Meanwhile, in Lucifer’s Crypt, Dean and Castiel tracked down the demon parchment—I mean the demon tablet—I mean the ANGEL tablet. Months of conditioning and brainwashing, and Castiel is still a sucky liar. Cas needed Dean in order to bypass the angel wards protecting the angel tablet from intruders. Once Dean grabbed it, Naomi’s programming kicked in and compelled Castiel to steal the tablet and flutter back to the soulless corporate heart of Heaven. Dean was, understandably, not on board with that particular plan, and the epic smackdown Naomi’s conditioning prepared Castiel for commenced. There were quite a few parallels between Dean’s fight with Manchurian Candidate Castiel and his fight with  Lucifer Sam in “Swan Song”—from the relentless beating to the positioning of the more physically powerful party towering over Dean, but in the end he was knocked down not by a fist or a spell or a magic weapon, but by the reminder that they are family, and on Supernatural, family is everything.

Free of his programming, Cas came clean about Naomi’s tampering, which was welcome because between that and Sam’s sniffles, the lying and the sneaking were getting old. But then Castiel decreed that he had to protect the angel tablet, which is all well and good because Naomi is totally skeevy, except that protection apparently also extends to the Winchesters. Great. Well, at least Sam owned up to feeling like dog food and promised not to lie about it anymore. Dean continued to be uncharacteristically mature about Sam screwing him out of his latest quest for martyrdom and sort of quoted The Lord of the Rings.


Glad to have you back, Supernatural! Now, more like this and less like the last three episodes leading up to this.


What did you think of Supernatural’s return?



CASE NOTES

– Dumb Winchester Sighting? I felt uncomfortable with Dean Winchester just wandering around the Batcave, rooting through boxes of possibly mystical weapons with labels he couldn’t read. I just feel like he should know better? And I honestly thought a fairy was going to jump out of that little egg and punch him in the face. I was actually disappointed when one didn’t.

– “I can hear you both. I AM a celestial being.” You tell ‘em, Castiel.

– Crowley bleached Meg’s hair as a form of torture. How very Crowley of him.

 There was some pretty cool editing this week. Even though it gave me whiplash, Cas going back and forth between Naomi and Dean during their big fight was well done. Castiel on the Greyhound was also one of those instances of Supernatural just nailing it with the perfect soundtrack and the perfect visual teaming up to make a scene resonate. 

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I was so keen on catching up with supernatural after what seems almost like a year. So I'm watching this episode, and everything's going great, and then Meg dies. Well, DAMN IT.
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I haven't been on here in a while and I'm finally getting around to this season but I am totally pissed about Meg, WHY??? They better bring her back eventually. I wanted more from the Cas and Meg relationship, what was the point of even bringing her back into this only to kill her. They totally could have left her out of this season if they had to and than next season find her or something and dedicate a little more time to her, I would have liked her to be a more constant member of team free will
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Supernatural bring Meg back.Castiel whether hes angel or not have a connection.and not in another meat suit.this Meg after all its Supernatural right?
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I was irritated with the hair thing. Not the fact the actress's hair was a diff color because, come on, that happens. But why even bring it up? Like in the beginning of the season, when Kevin's all "Crowley cut my hair" because the actor got his hair cut. It's really not pertitant to the telling of ANY story, and if it wasn't mentioned, it would probably be okay.
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I WANT MEG BACK! THE WAY THEY KILLED HER OFF SUCKED! That being said Supernatural is my favorite show! Bring meg back!
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Whoa has anybody seen this Who is the Best Winchester poll at TV Guide?!
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Supernatural-Sam-vs-Dean-Gifs-1060878.aspx

(Look at the 17,000+ votes) Oh, maybe some of you already have. Pitting one brother against the brother in a poll is stupid and insipid.... though I guess Hooray for Sam Winchester for winning the popularity contest.... but got to admit the gifs are hilarious. I've forgotten that Dean once told Cas that he looked like he was pooping.
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The crypt scene was almost laugh-out-loud if poor Cas/Misha didn't look so bored and uncomfortable with the whole scenario. Dean was getting the piss beaten out of him, I too would have said anything ... "Arg, I need you, please stop!" Dean only talks mushy like that when he's about to get killed by Cas. The rest of the time Dean complains how useless Cas is.

I never saw the so-called bond between Dean and Cas, even SPN writers admit most of the time it's forced storytelling instead of showing the bond. Whenever Cas explodes/dies/melt into goo, Dean never shows much emotion and just carries on as usual, he never tries to bring Cas back to life. Where Dean goes mental whenever Sam dies and manages every supernatural means to bring his brother back to life.

I do think Cas is more attached to Dean than Dean is to him, even though Cas betrays Dean in the most horrid way, from starting the apocalypse and letting Sam shoulder all the blame, leaving Sam to suffer in Lucifer's Cage and trying to discourage Dean from rescuing him, and then breaking Sam's sanity just because Cas was pissed off at Dean. Now that I wrote this, it makes sense why Dean looks he doesn't care all that much whenever Cas goes bye-bye.
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"SHUT UP, MEG"
But for real, she ONLY RECENTLY grew on me, and I'm sad to see her go. For now. I'm sure it's not the last we've seen of her.
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I have a growing theory about Naomi. It still isn't specific, but I have evidence to back up my pinging thoughts. What is Naomi's motivation and goal? Is she specifically after Dean or just watching over all that he's involved in (Kevin, the tablets, etc)? I believe that Dean is the greatest threat to Naomi, maybe even the angels, and she's terrified of him. Here's my evidence:

-When Cas first comes back in "A Little Slice of Kevin" she and he have their first chat, her instinct was not to ask about the tablet or even Kevin the prophet – the angel didn’t ask about the prophet! very telling – but instead she specifically said “Tell me about Sam and Dean.”
- After he tells her everything that's been going on, she doesn’t instruct him to protect the prophet, find the second half of the tablet, or anything like that but only says “Help the Winchesters. Come when they call.”
- The fact that eventually she stopped Cas from responding to Dean’s prayers (stuff about the tablet!!); she saw the need to distance him from Dean. Naomi obviously wasn’t too concerned about closing of the gates of hell if she didn't send Cas to help them with that particular issue.
- Then she had Cas killing Dean over and over and over again.
- Then Cas specifically names Dean as someone he has to keep the tablet away from.
- My final piece of evidence: Cas. Naomi says that to get Cas out of purgatory she sent an “incursion of angels that cost us many lives.” She sacrificed many other angels to get this one specific. Dean’s a human and the angels have been batting him around for years. So, why does she specifically need Cas? If she wants something from Dean why doesn’t she just send that legion after him directly? Answer: Cas is the only angel Dean would let near him without a fight and she’s terrified of Dean, she was begging Cas to kill him this past week. She knew that Cas was her way into his life.

Dean is a threat to her in someway. It could be because he has to fulfill the angel tablet or possibly he’s the key (chosen of Heaven and all – like part of the trials or part of a spell), it all ads up to something about Dean and the angel tablet that has Naomi and the rest of the angels all a flutter. At least, that’s where my math has lead me.
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I enjoyed this episode a lot.

We all know that Dean and Cas have a stronger relationship than Sam and Cas, but I found it very pointed that in the cold open we were staring at hundreds and hundreds of dead Deans. Couldn't drum up any feelings toward sad Sam to fake-kill him maybe once or twice? Instead of making me feel bad for Cas that he's gone off the deep end, I just felt sad for Sam. He never got along with his Dad, he never really enjoyed hunting, his fiance dead and Bobby -- Bobby and Dean had a stronger relationship, too. No wonder the guy needed an Amelia for awhile.

And speaking of Amelia, it was nice to see her brought up again in certain context, although I almost yelled at the TV when Meg asked to hear the story. You really don't, lady. Walk away while you can. But then Meg used it as an opportunity to tie us to Cas and I found myself really liking a character I hadn't necessarily cared about one way or another before. RIP, Meg. For now.
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There are a lot of reasons why Cas and Dean have a much stronger bond than Cas and Sam - Cas ventured into Hell to pull Dean out, and marked him with his handprint. Dean is "The Righteous Man", and considered honourable even though he did break down and say "Yes" at the end. Dean was the chosen vessel of Michael, and Dean have taught Cas nearly everything he knows about what it is to be human.
Sam was tainted right from the start, by demonblood, and became a demonblood junkie, the chosen vessel of Lucifer himself, and Cas used to view him as an "abomination". The fact that they get along and seem on fairly friendly terms now is quite an improvment.

I think Naomi quite simply realized that it would be harming Dean that would be the real challenge; either that or there's more to her fear/dislike of Dean than meets the eye.
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Oh, I didn't mean to imply there aren't reasons for Dean's and Cas' relationship to be stronger... just that the scene really underlined for me that in the eight years of this show, Sam's been in a very lonely place. They both have, but Sam's certainly gotten the short end of the stick when it's come to other relationships.

I think you're right to suggest Naomi has bigger reasons to fear Dean.
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I don't think the point of the beat down on Dean was the fear that Cass would actually kill him. It was more of a way to give Castiel a way to snap out of his conditioning. I think picking up the tablet is what actually snapped him out of it, but I'm certain his 'profound bond' with Dean was enough to give him pause. Whether Cass has to protect the tablet from Dean specifically or just any or all humans is still up for debate. It would give Dean plot, which he's been lacking, but it would also, apparently, put him at odds with Castiel. If they did that right, it could be interesting. If done wrong it could be horrible. Just as long as they don't continue with their Castiel as comic relief thing they've been doing for the last season and a half (and before that, but he actually had some heavy plot in season 6.

I really liked Meg. She was my favorite demon after Crowley and I really think that, like Crowley, it was because of the actor. If they did bring Meg back - which is unlikely, she was stabbed with the anti-demon knife which has so far killed demons dead - she wouldn't be the same without Rachel Miner. I didn't like the send off she got, especially considering how long she'd been around, but I get the Winchesters not really giving a damn. She was responsible for killing Ellen and Jo, afterall. Not to mention all that crap blond!Meg put them through. And the whole possessing Sam thing.
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Nope. Too erratic. The bouncing back and forth between dealing with Dean and Naomi wasn't great. Not too mention, in any way shape or form did I think Cas was going to kill Dean. So with that there was literally nothing compelling about that scene and was just a waste of time.

I am not even really bothered by Meg dying. This is either the second or third time that he she has died. The only thing this does really is end the actress that plays her run in the show. Which is too bad because she was good at it. However, both likely could be pulled back by Castiel.

I would actually have preferred to see a whole episode of the back story between Naomi and Crowley.
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Meg really grew on me as a character over the past couple of seasons, but I think a large part of that is due to her current meatsuit! If Meg does come back in someone new I wonder if the actress playing her will be able to pull her off quite as convincingly.
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When all is said and done, at the end of the season Naomi needs to be shoved into a blue magical gate and never appear on this show again. Don't get me wrong, I love Amanda Tapping in SG-1 and any other show that has to do with SF but she is so out of her place in this show. She's a good girl dammit, not a scheming Angel counterpart to that used car salesman Mark Sheppard. Everything else fits with the storyline, Misha was back and acted out like he was on drugs (also fits with the storyline) although I miss the old version of him. It was a great episode.
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Had to laugh at the "Shut up, Meg!!" from the brothers. Very Family Guy, lol.
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Admittedly this was one of the better episodes of the season, however Meg's death was terrible, even more so that Sam and Dean did NOT even take an abortive step to prevent it.
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My lol moment is when Dean is asking about Megstiel...
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All your comments there at the bottom of your review....exactly what I was thinking!

...I haven't enjoyed Supernatural much recently. It has been weak...but this episode was back where it should be....thank Castiel/Crowley...depending which way your bread is buttered.;)
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Castiel was back and for me this was enough to rate this episode as great.
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Someone must've said that already, but Sam is not "electromagnetically" harmed or something. It's "more on a subatomic level."

I thought Dean was going to release some sort of contaminant or disease by opening the egg. And I really thought Naomi and Crowley were going to strike a deal against the Winchesters.
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So, Cass has to protect the Angel tablet from Dean. It makes me think if the brothers have complementary roles in this arc. I mean, when Sam was Lucifer's vessel and Dean was Michael's. This way, maybe now Sam's role is to close the Hell, while Dean is going to close Heaven.
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This episode was strong I enjoyed the searching through a previously wiped out town for the Angel Tablet and Meg stringing Crowley around, but leading into the 3rd act became predictible and boring. If it wasnt Meg's death that was criminal this next revelation would be the one the writer should be hanged for (metaphorically speaking of course). Naomi another Angel character padding this now worthless angel arc along had an affair with Crowley in Mesopotamia. Wait WHAT? Crowley had an affair with an angel 1700 years before he was born? If you dont believe me watch it again! No I'm sorry this is a well established character and clearly the greatest big bad this show has ever seen and his origin was revealed in season 6 as a 17th century scotsman who sold his soul for a bigger penis. That was totally Crowley I could see his big ego even in life make a fantastic bargin like that. This show has butchered continuity before but this is the worst! Now his very origins make no sense, the whole demons are spirits revelation is moot and an entire episode of the show centered around Bobby and his genius now ruined because the writers want to add more drama by having another angel/demon alliance. It didnt work before and it's not gonna work again. Screw you Supernatural writers!
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Mark Sheppard mentioned something on twitter about the possibility of the Fergus McLeod thing being total BS. It makes sense. Crowley's a schemer. It makes total sense that he'd totally misdirect Bobby and the boys back in the day as it set up an out for him and Castiel to free him up for their Purgatory searching back in the day. McLeod's ghost kid wouldn't have recognized him anyway.
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I don't remember what episode it was, but didn't they establish that McLeod was a cover? That's why burning his bones (or whatever they did to them...) didn't work.
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Just to play King of Hell's advocate here, how long has it been since there was last time travel on this show? 2 episodes? 3?
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Well that makes sense does it? We fubared this one well let's write a time travel episode to explain it. That's completely lazy on the writers part. Lately this show has become a let's solve this problem with time travel and it's another trope that needs to die.
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My thoughts exactly.
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I seriously enjoyed this episode! It was scary seeing Cas' acting all removed and like badass brainwashed guy but satisfying in the manner he came to his senses.

I also liked that we didn't get exactly what we wanted with him just plain old teaming up with the brothers again, this is far more interesting!

I was never really a fan of Meg, but I really felt for her in this episode so that was a revelation! Kudos to the writing and acting coming together to pull that off!
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I totally agree with you when you said that Dean should know better than to open all of those boxes. Doesn't he remember the rabbit's foot incident? (also this reminded me of a great travesty: RIP Bella -_-)
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Good episode.
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"I gotta ask.... what did you do to your hair?"
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"you had me at 'kill me'"...
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I'm so sad about Meg... She was my favorite demon damnit!
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I am sticking, until Supernatural changes it mind and forgets the evidence it is leading to for this thought, that as a result of the trials, Sam is changing into an angel in order to complete the tasks (the subatomic changes that even Cas couldn't recognize seemed key to me). And that is somehow the transition to Cas being a regular cast member next year, that he either sticks around to help and protect Sam or there is some sort of trade.

That was too bad about Meg (as I watched the first 3 or maybe 4 seasons of this show in like a week before season 5 began, I was not as attached to her as others, only girl demon I was really familiar with was Ruby - so clearly I just can't trust them). I do wonder the consequences of killing a demon with an angel sword.
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I hope it would be something more,than just Sam becomes angel...because,to me it's like...wow,really...so you need angel to close the gates of hell? I hope writers put some more effort into this,because there are plenty of angels around...maybe not plenty after that civil war,but still enough...
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Yeah that's why I think it was, we need to build an out in case this is it and now, okay, we have a ninth season we can do a Plan B with Sam (even if it is as silly as he has to stay in the batcave for awhile as kind of a quarantine and that is why Cas is around a lot more next year - to back up Dean on the road).
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For Sam becoming angel and all,that would be big deal.

I just meant,that to close the gates of hell,you need to do trials and that leads tobecome angel,if that's the case,why not just have some random angel close the gates.
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I think it probably was meant for some angel to close the gates and I wouldn't be surprised that Cas realizes that in the near future or that Kevin puts together another part of the translation and is like...oh crap...
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I've seen that theory in a couple of places and I hope it isn't true.
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I have mixed feelings about it myself. Honestly, I think it might have been a scenario if this were the last and final season of the show, but now, despite the evidence, they can change it. I am actually thinking that God will make an appearance in the end game of the season and stop the boys, the demons, and the angels from closing any doors because the world would destroy itself without balance.
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Good theory and I'm hoping you are right.
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Very interesting, I never thought of that scenario. I hope not since angels are far worse than demons. On the other hand maybe this could neutralize out what's left of the demon blood infection that Sam has since he was 6 months old.

Angels are soulless, hence why they seem to need living soul vessels while demons, who are broken human souls, can occupy vacant bodies like Ruby did.
I always thought that soulless Sam was very similar to Castiel.
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My bit about angel-possession vs demon-possession isn't so much about soul vs no-soul but "God's programming" that they have to be given permission. Along the lines of: he didn't want his "children" to be d*cks to his other children. Even before we learned about the "factory settings"

And since (most) demons were humans, they had free will and can inhabit whoever they want.

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Then why do the angels never kick out their vessel's soul to heaven? Ralphael never did, Lucifer never did, Michael never did, and Castiel NEVER said that Jimmy is dead and in heaven afte the kibble bits incident. Nope, the angels force the poor souls to ride along. It's been implied that the powerful human souls help contain the ginormous angel grace in the frail human bodies
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Demons are also fallen angels...that must be my Catholicism creeping in. But my theory feels like one of those things I am too confident in, but it is clearly untrue...those of us who got into the mythology and conspiracies of Teen Wolf last summer learned that far too well. It was so obvious Jackson was the Kanima and that Matt was super creepy that we all almost instantly concluded they were not involved. Doh.
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On this show all the demons are former humans, none of them were former angels.
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I don't know if he's going to become an Angel. It could be that he's turning into the equivalent on a WMD. That he's going to explode a burst of energy to destroy all gateways to Hell.

Assuming he gets that far... I would miss Crowley.

Perhaps fatally (in which case Chuck saves him) or he just gives off the energy and survives (barely)
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Maybe...my whole theory is based on the light and the fact that the spell is in the angel language. But a WMD might make sense too. I have doubts it is going to work, I actually would almost suspect that Chuck or whoever God is embodying comes to step whatever side gets closest to accomplishing their goal because cutting off the avenue either way can't actually be good for the overall balance of the world.
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Sorry, what's WMD?
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weapon of mass destruction
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first Bobby now Meg...
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Supernatural goes Family Guy with "Shut up Meg"
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it really, does
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Great review of a great episode Ms Ann! It was beautifully edited, photography was excellent and camera pans on crucial moments were amazing. Thanks to writers that we're back to Main Arc(considering the amount of episode left they ought to be). It was satisfying comeback.

I don't think that it is conscious that Dean come out dumb. He is way more interested in moments of bliss (the paper back edition of Asian porn) and his anchorage at the MoLCave. He still think of himself as the brawn of MoL legacy and Sam the brain.
The amount of lore in hideout is expansive and he is trying, those boxes were out that means he was trying to catalogue things... just with less interest I suppose.
Spear of Destiny is not on everyone's knowledge domain.

And this show is viciously coming to the implied "sexual" relations between an Angel and a demon... hope they don't jump into Nephilim mythology... not this season for now.
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Implied? It happened a while ago. Meg took Castiel's cherry. Unless I dreamed that. Maybe both.
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Finally they continued with the storyline. Good episode.
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I am not ok with Winchester;s just sitting there and watching Meg dying for them. Like it supposed to be happening because they are Winchesters so they demand you to die for them. They could have helped her. They could even try, But they didn't care about her, she was just a demon. It is not something that should be forgiven easily. I mean, seriously this is the meanest thing, the most cruel thing they ever did. And I am ruined.
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Keep in mind this was the same Meg that tried to kill them repeatedly in season 1, 2, and 5. She was reforming, but after the whole fiasco in season 3 and 4 with Ruby the "good" demon, I could see why they still didn't trust her.
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Meh, I was ruined when I found out Jensen was a Republican. I thought voting for Romney (and Sarah Palin before that) was the cruelest thing he ever did, but you know, that's just me. I'm just sayin'. . . .
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are you serious? wow.

Only an Obama supporter would stop watching a TV show because one of the actors is a republican
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I'm sure it's not that easy for them to even want to help her, she did mess with them in the first couple seasons, and then she was responsible for Jo and Ellen's death in Season 5. Even though I love Meg, especially Rachel Miner, cuz she was just starting to develop into a more 3 dimensional character, and of course she got killed off.
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And don't forget about what she did to Pastor Jim, Caleb, and the hunter she killed while wearing Sam ...

I'll miss her as well.
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Well she changed and she proved it. Of course it is a demon and I am sure that one day she'd be back with her mates against Winchesters, but right now they were allies, so well... I know it is hard, but I have a feeling that they never cared about her even if she was helping them. It is ok, that they didn't look for her, even Sam wasn't looking for Dean, but right now it was hurtful.
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They couldn't do much... Crowley is the king of Hell now and can literally explode people with the snap of a finger. He's shown that he's incredibly powerful now.

Since he's become king, the only times they've really gone up against him were:
A) with Cass on their side
B) with his mortal bones about to be torched
C) he didn't want to hurt him (IE, the cheating demon that was killing early)
D) Crowley left because he got what he wanted
E) Crowley watched them run away because he didn't want to risk killing Kevin
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The king of hell is a Archangel, who was cast out of Heaven for disobey God. Crowley was a human who sold his soul for a pair,(lol) and help caged "Lucy" and gain some of his power. So he have powers but not that can of juices.
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They could try. I don't know. Maybe I am too emotional after seeing them in the car looking at Crowley killing Meg.
I know that Crowley is really strong. I don't know what to think anymore. I am kind of disappointed.
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Sacrificing their grandfather to take down Abaddon was disappointing as well. Otoh, it keeps the show realistic (as realistic as a show about the supernatural can be) to show that they can't always destroy every monster they run up against.
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Add to that the fact that she sacrificed herself to let them get away. Coming back for her would just negate that since they would just be endangering themselves.
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This episode was supernatural back at its best and compensated for the last two episodes that were uninspiring. I just can't fathom why CastieL is being left out week in week out cuz he brings the desired edge for the show. So many highlights with Meg quirky one liners, Megstiel, Cass battle for control with Naomi and so much more fir a great episode.

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i owuld like to have an episdoe or a season where either Dean or Sam's kids come from the future and help them. The grandfather came from the past so why not have their futue kids or grandkids come from the future...i htink that would be kool to see if not a season story than an episode
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I thought the reviews for the past three episodes praised them as some of the best. Or is this just a different reviewer?
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Same reviewer! I try to be positive about episodes unless they're a complete and total affront to television. The last three episodes were decent as case of the week episodes. I just don't think they're as great as the episodes we had that built on the main storyline. So, really, my request for "more like this" has more to do with wanting to continue the main storyline (which is so awesome right now) than bashing the last three episodes as "bad." They were just lighter on the storytelling than what I like.
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I...Meg... no words. Wait, words: Supernatural has been over for a couple seasons, rather than kill Meg, they should have spun off Castiel and Meg and killed everyone else.
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sorry to brake it to you but they can kill the protagonists untill the show is over. true that must have been a done deal in season 5, but that's how things go with every successfull show, they make it till they brake it, all for the money
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Truer words have never been spoken. I mean, the dude that plays Dean is what? At least 40, right? He's gonna' need help gettin' outta' the Impala before long. Just sayin'.
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the dudes name is jensen ackles & he is 35. true that the show must have ended back in season 5 but if you don't like then don't watch pure & simple
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It's not really about liking or not liking, it's about what characters have the most potential. Meg could have carried the franchise forward for another series. Sam & Dean have like one more season in them, if that.
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I'd watch that.
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I love this show! simple as that... But I feel they're running out of major characteres for killing...
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Yeah also Dean, Sam, and Cas have all died multiple times....
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When Dean and Sam dies, it's very sad - even in Mystery Spot

When Cas dies it's either hilarious or boring, he's the Kenny of Supernatural Southpark. The best one was when Lucifier blew him up for molotoving Michael and then hilariously lying about it.
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Bring back Meg!
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Is anyone else picking up all the shout outs to "The Hunters Tomb", which is basically the inspiration for this entire season. If you don't know what "The Hunters Tomb" or "The Brotherhood" series is fair enough, if you do... don't judge me.
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This episode was pretty dank. I cant believe Meg is gone... I think its a bog red herring, because she was just making an impact.

Let me ask this question...has it been answered where the demons that get knifed or smited by angels go? Do they just die, return to hell? Purgatory? Or was purgatory only for creatures?

I think it would be an interesting idea to explore whether demons can evolve back into humans, like maybe Meg winds up in Heaven and Naomi will use her to control Castiel?

Sam and Dean of course have their angsty brother issues, lying, secrets, not trusting. Every year.

I want to see a return of Bobby, where do ghosts that are killed go?

Whay does the Angel Tablet do? You think it could switch the angels and demons? Send demons to heaven and vise versa?

Love this damn show
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"Let me ask this question...has it been answered where the demons that get knifed or smited by angels go? Do they just die, return to hell? Purgatory? Or was purgatory only for creatures?"

If the black smoke coming out of them goes downward, or into a devil's trap, they go back to Hell. If their faces light up (as when shot by the colt, stabbed with Ruby's knife, or smote by an angel) they die.

I think Crowley stabbed Meg with a stolen angel sword. I'm not sure what happens in that case. I don't remember seeing black smoke or a lit up face (the death scene being too far away and mostly off camera).

I don't remember any angels using their swords on demons in the past (they generally go for the "Hand of Ipecac" smite), so I'm hoping that it only sent her back to Hell.

I'm guessing TPTB are keeping their options open for the time being.
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Scratch the last part of the above. I just rewatched the ep and both Crowley and Meg took out demons with their respective angel swords. And ... Meg lit up like an X-ray when Crowley stabbed her.

Otoh ... Crowley lit up when Meg stabbed him and he's still standing.
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-Demons should go to Purgartory like all creepy crawlies.
-You mean devolve ;)
-Heaven. He's moved on.
-It cloes the gates to Heaven> imagine SPN with Heaven and Hell closed off. That would be very interesting, me thinks...
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Oh yeah. I'm sure the show will have Sam and Dean ignore the fact that Meg is possessing yet another innocent human woman and bring her back eventually. It's like the show has forgotten that there are still actual PEOPLE inside those poor meatsuits. But hey, as long as they get to play around with hot lady demons, who cares about the innocents anymore, right?
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Just like they ignore that Castiel is possessing Jimmy Novak who had to watch Castiel use his body to kiss Meg and bone another wifey in season 7.
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Jimmy Novak is dead. He 'sploded. Castiel was reconstructed. He just looks like Jimmy Novak. We have no reason to believe God recreated Jimmy Novak too. He's in his own personal heaven playing with his childhood dog or whatever.
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Do you do NOT have episodes to back up your claims, good to know. Plenty of fans speculate that poor Jimmy Novak is still trapped in Castiel because he never said otherwise. Michael rode Adam to Hell, mostly confirmed by Death.
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I do. I'm just not telling you. Do your own research.
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Sabifwana, please show me the episode (not fanfictions) that back up your post. Cas never said that Jimmy is in heaven. All canon so far points to angels keeping their vessel's souls prisoners and forced to endure suffering while they ride them.
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The episode where the vessel was destroyed? I don't feel the need to do that. You remember it as well as we all do. You are assuming that the human vessel was recreated when Castiel was. That is an unfounded assumption.
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Evidence so far is angels never kick out their vessel's soul. Raphael didn't, Lucifer didn't, Michael didn't, and Castiel didn't and he NEVER said that he released poor Jimmy Novak. So until Cas say anything, Jimmy is still there.
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You missed my point. Castiel is in a body, formed by God, that looks like Jimmy Novak. Jimmy Novak died when Castiel died. We have no reason to believe God would have put Jimmy Novak's soul into Cas's new body. That wouldn't make any sense at all.
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Speaking of hot lady demons, even if she turned out to be evil, Ruby did get her second body off the braindead rack. The show did not forget. And Sam and Dean definitely never forgot that Meg was a demon, nor would she let them. Did you see them lift a finger to save her from Crowley? Or even seem to care that she died?
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Dean's naming skill again-"MegCas" (I think that's what it was.)
I'm surprised Dean didn't know about the Spear of Destiny. If they've got that they're sure to win.
I have to wonder if syndicated episodes and DVDs of Supernatural will have all the music intact. There's a lot of old shows like WKRP that have had the music replaced. In fact "Wayward Son" which Supernatural has used was originally used at the Henry Winkler movie Heroes but has been replaced for that reason.
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lol, he said Megstiel
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I can't see Meg coming back Rachel Minor was just awesome as Meg!!
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This is probably the third time Dean is telling to Sam not to lie to him in the same fashion. Sam will probably lie again. To me, its tiring. The quote from LOTR and the 'Rudy hobbit' was the best dialogue for a long while in the show. But I was wondering how workaholic supernatural hunters have the time to watch movies or do anything leisurely.
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Just imagine that they skip those parts, you know when they have time out in the hotel at night etc, Just like how they don't show us every time they take a dump etc it happens, but they don't have any need to show it lol
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As for the dumb Winchester moment.... I was cringing in that part of the episode. I mean, that's been the premise of how many episodes? When Dean opened up the egg, I was expecting something to come out of it and let out a can of evil on the boys.
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Also, hate that we have to wait for Cas to make another reappearance. I mean we've spent several eps without him and when he returns, it's only for 1 episode. It's a habit of the writers that annoy me. Well, at least we'll see plenty more of him next season.

#SAVETHEBATCAVE
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Supernatural is at its best when Cas is absent and gone from the show. We had 5 really strong episodes back to back when the brothers are the focus and that wooden angel is absent. I liked Cas back in season 4 when he was badass and a comic relief in season 5. But now he's annoying byproduct and worse of all, Dean's IQ always seem to take a nose dive whenever Cas is around. I guess because Cas is basically the dumbest angel in the garrison the writers have to justify keeping him around by dumbing down Dean. Criminal.
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sorry but where exactly did you saw the stronger episodes? most of them where crappy fillers & went nowhere with the story arc (apart 14). as for dean they made him look dumb in the previous episodes (15,16) cause they want to boost sam as the smart one. it seems it's their favorite sport to throw dean down every time he seems to stand up & have a possible story arc either dropping it (purgatory, pstd) or giving it to sam (mol, trials). the show is repetitive & predictable as hell + has continuity & consistensy issues. what a missed oportunity was that they did'nt stick with the purgatory story arc at least for the 1rst 10 eps & keep the episodes with cas for the 2nd part mixing them with the mol & the tablet story avoiding all the nonsence fillers & the incontinuty & inconsistency to both characters & stories. that will split equally the season in two parts, 1rst part (10 or so eps) with dean & the 2nd part with sam. it's simple logic not nuclear physics. instead got dean's story arc (both purgatory & pstd) dropped after only 2 eps, & then being about benny, cas, sam & everybody else apart dean. hell of a way to treat one of your lead actors
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Watching Cas beat the crap out of Dean was breaking my heart but I literally "Awwwed!ed" out loud when Cas stopped because of Dean saying that they're family. Nothing can break that profound bond. Loved Meg's reaction when Sam told her of the time he spent with Amelia. But didn't really care when she died. I was always neutral with that character. Though I'm still pissed that she caused Jo and Ellen's deaths. It was an excellent ep upon their return from the hellatus.
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Dean only use that unconvincing "family" stuff when Cas is being a menace or is about to KILL him here and in the season 6 finale. Cas killed so many of his angel brother and sisters that the family word triggered Cas back into nonkilling mode. Hence why Cas stole the angel tablet, it's to protect angels FROM Dean. Cas knows that Dean will kill angels and even go after God if that what it takes to keep Sam safe.

Dean told his grandfather that Sam is the "only" family he has.
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I liked the old blonde Meg, the one from the first few seasons. Then again, I liked the old seasons, too. The ones after season five? Shark . . . jump . . . shark . . . jump . . . repeat ad nauseum. . . .
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