Supernatural Season 12 Premiere Was a Slow Ride

Here's the thing about Supernatural's big old season 12 premiere: we knew that Mary Winchester (Samantha Smith) was going to emotionally slay us -- and we showed up anyway, because that's what this show has conditioned us to do after all these years of scary-sexy man-angst.

The show wasted no time on rationalizing this latest weird development to the formerly departed Mama Winchester, a decision that worked to the series' credit. After all, Mary grew up a hunter too. She knows what's out there, and that the monsters under the bed don't always make sense. She's been dead for over thirty years and recently resurrected by God's sister as a kindness to Dean (Jensen Ackles), since he helped her overcome that pesky bloodlust murder-machine shtick she had going on.

Okay, cool. Unexpected, but not impossible. A woman with Mary's experience and background can handle these sorts of revelations and keep functioning with only a pause here and there to reflect on OMG COMPUTERS ARE SO SMALL NOW and WOW THE MEN OF LETTERS ARE REAL? and WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY SONS ENDED UP BEING HUNTERS ANYWAY?

Also, Dean was conceived in the back seat of the Impala? Is that what was going on there? With the smirk and the Official Dean Winchester Shudder of TMI? All I have to say to that is: well of course he was.

During all of the sharing and caring with the obligatory undercurrents of death and disaster, Sam (Jared Padalecki) was in fact shot in the leg at the end of season 11's finale, tossed in the back of an SUV, and whisked away to the latest forgettable basement torture chamber by Scowly Spice herself, Lady Toni (Elizabeth Blackmore). Why is she torturing him again? I honestly don't remember. Something about the Colonies' Men of Letters sucking, the Winchesters being monsters/frauds, and...I don't know. For being so much better and smarter and in-the-know about all things supernatural, I'm having a hard time swallowing the idea that Lady Toni and her merry band of monster-murderers have no idea what the last few apocalypses entailed.

Anyway, Sam Winchester spent a century sharing a bunk with Lucifer himself. He thinks his brother died stopping the Darkness. There's literally nothing Toni can do to him that will break him at this point, short of pumping him full of demon blood, and even then, results may vary. Sam was very clearly bored through the whole ordeal. I'm bored. We're all bored.

"Keep Calm and Carry On," was a slow starter, as far as Supernatural premieres go -- but that's okay. So often, the show has given us a premiere that ties up the strings from the previous finale far too quickly. Supernatural is very much at ease with being a serialized story, but too often, each season can feel isolated from its brethren.

That isn't the case from what we've seen in Season 12 so far. There is new, looming danger on the horizon: Lucifer is free and leaving a trail of corpses across the midwest; Heaven and Hell are plagued with infighting (as usual); and the UK Men of Letters draconian approach to human-monster relations is certainly going to play a large role this season, given Dean and Sam's own struggles with whether to kill first or look for the humanity in the vampires, werewolves, and other creepy-crawlies they come across.

Right now though, this is a story about a mom and her sons reconnecting after decades of loss... And that's not the kind of story that gets wrapped up neatly in sixty minutes or less.

Supernatural airs Thursdays at 9/8c on The CW.

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Dec 02, 2016
So, not that it matters to me, but when exactly did this show go beyond real-world religion? I stopped watching halfway into Season 8, because I no longer believe in religion. 3 seasons later, God has a sister, which totally pushes past real-world Christian beliefs. Tbh, a part of me wants to pick this show up again, but mainly because I know the show is still hilarious every now and then. Also because there are attractive female guest stars every now and then.
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Oct 19, 2016
Last Supernatural season hurt me so much that i don't really want to watch any more of Castiel, or stupid "undying" Rowena, idiot London-based never-heard MOL...
Almost two episodes now and i didnt see a single second of the series.
It would take an entire season to fully heal from stupid previous season finale.
You newcomers can enjoy the new Supernatural, farewell
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Oct 18, 2016
I liked the general air of the premier and try to stay optimistic as for the rest of the season. Is it just me or Jared's acting has actually improved?! I always regarded him as a terrible actor, though, fortunately for us, when it really 'matters' he delivers OK and even sometimes impressive performances (such as in Swan Song). Here, once again, he was successful in communicating the sense of dejection and agony in Sam, who's just lost his brother (the pain of torture comes second; he's been already tortured by the Devil in Hell in a cage where he personally put him: "You're just an accent in a pantsuit! What can you do to me?!"). It is actually quite touching to watch the last scene of the episode with Sam all alone in that basement.
Sam's resistance has clearly moved Toni in the end, and I think we're gonna see some sort of an alliance between her and the Winchesters against the rest of the British MoLs: Toni mentions a "psychopath" whom she doesn't want anywhere near here, some malevolent operative, who has the authority to "take things to the next level" to be featured in the episodes to come, as a major adversary.
The bearded demon's teenage-girl regression was very funny to me. I like the new impulsive tough-guy Cas: I just don't get how an angel in full power can get his ass handed to him so easily by that human Brit operative. BTW, I think the writers are on the right track presenting the state of mind Mary is in, holding us in suspense about what course of action she will choose to take with regard to the boys and the hunting stuff. It is not just getting used to the new world and the reunion with her sons, but also a deep feeling of guilt: she made the first deal with Azazel (to save John) and got the dominoes to fall. Her confrontation with Sam will be interesting. Simply, it remains to be seen.
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Oct 17, 2016
This was a slow premiere and I was bored at parts. I'm not sure about the main storylines for this first half of the season.

The British Men of Letters seems pretty lame at this point. They can't find this information on their own, with all of their resources? More Lucifer? I've had my fill of Lucifer. The show killed any interest in Lucifer last year for me. Lucifer as a whiny, teenage brat and the intervention between him and God were awful.

The third storyline, Mary being back, I want to like it, but I can see it not ending well. I can see the show doing what it does to a lot of characters when they bring them back - either ruining them or killing them off (again). Is Mary going to end up dying again because she agrees to be Lucifer's vessel?

As for this episode specifically, I know Mary was an experienced hunter, but she's been dead for 33 years. She should be a little rusty. But, no, she takes down a character that neither Dean nor Castiel could take down. The show has a bad habit of setting up guest characters to be better than the main characters, when they shouldn't be. I don't want Mary to be a Mary Sue. I want her to be an experienced hunter who has had a long break and needs time to get back into the swing of things. I want Dean, Sam and Castiel to be shown to be experienced and not stupid to make Mary look good.

I loved the chemistry between Jensen Ackles and Samantha Smith. Their scenes were either heartbreaking or heartwarming, depending on the scene. Even in a show about supernatural, their scenes felt real and conveyed so much. The actors just nailed every emotion!
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Oct 18, 2016
Oh, get some rest! If you want logic, then you could stop watching show after the fifth season. And the plot with the British custodians of knowledge are no worse than 7th or 8th season or the tenth with the carnage of rabid Deanmon.
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Oct 16, 2016
When she first saw Baby it looked as if she was planning to drive it. I can easily see her taking off with it.
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Oct 16, 2016
Sally Ann Spector kicking the crap out of Dean and Cas was awesome

It's weird seeing the actress like that

Much better than last season's finale - good character development - my only gripe - what exactly is this season supposed to be about? Usually the premiere tells us the seasonal arc - but it's unclear what this season is about
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Oct 16, 2016
Excellent review. Loved the episode and thought it was a great start to a very different season. The Brits seem simultaneously foolish and very nasty. The glimpse of how they handle monsters suggest something nefarious. I'm looking forward to this confrontation but it needs to be with the stuffed shirts making the 'rules'. I think there's something rotten there.

LOVED LOVED everything Mary. And Cas is singularly focused on getting to Sam. I love his devotion to that duty. Even though Dean is back, I think Cas feels like Sam went missing on HIS (Cas') watch and he's going to rescue him or die trying. Loved how Dean was so gentle with Mary yet simultaneously wound up enough to break a phone in two. That's our Dean.
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Oct 16, 2016
I almost died when Sam was being tortured. That was absolutely hard for me to watch. Also surprised that SPN went that far with physical torturing of Sam.
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Oct 15, 2016
I'm always aghast when the hero of anything finally manages to escape from a horrifying ordeal, and doesn't make sure his formidable adversary is out for the count--was it because she was a woman? I know, I know, it's in the script and there's still 20 minutes to go. But she shot him for really no reason, and then burned him badly. He said he would kill her, so why didn't he? And hows come Castiel's such a lousy Angel. He had to kill her? He couldn't just zap her to Cleveland? That said, I'm glad it's back after a phenomenal season...
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Oct 16, 2016
Sam is not killer. He even worked with Lucifer after what he did to him. This woman was hardly worse. So why to kill her and for what? Sam resists rather out of protest, but his brother is dead for him. He was nowhere and no reason to go. He has no real reason to kill this woman.
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Oct 16, 2016
Yes, I know, so why write it that way?
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Oct 16, 2016
why? I answered your question "Why Sam didn't kill Toni" I think it's obvious. You know this is how public places in Internet are working. You are writing something and anyone can write you back.
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Oct 15, 2016
Weeeeeeeeee Supernatural Season 12. I still remember that when it first began it was too scary for me haha :D :D :D
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Oct 15, 2016
Glad to see MaryAnn's still reviewing Supernatural. I was about to forget about this site but I might just stick around to discuss Supernatural once a week. Some moments were great in this episode but on the whole I'm disappointed. Something was lacking. And Sam being tortured didn't really make sense to me. Sam's reactions were weird too, like not congruent with his personality. Hope he won't stay too long in this basement. Mary is a good addition to the team. The British lady seems a bit extreme, I feel like they want us to like her at some point but she's already done some pretty questionable choices. Hope the next episode will be better.
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Oct 16, 2016
And i don't know what show you are watching, but i remember "Mystery spot", помню «I Know What You Did Last Summer». Sam was always like this when he thought that Dean is dead. This is his very typical behavior in this case. Besides, Sam even not afraid to meet Lucifer after what he did to him. This is real Sam Winchester.
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Oct 15, 2016
Sam thinks his brother is dead, this is why he is like this
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Oct 16, 2016
Thanks for the reminder, you're right.
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Oct 15, 2016
I freaking love it :D best start to a season in a long time, i'm pumped for the rest of the reason, Supernatural is 1 of 3 shows i only watch weekly now because it's worth it the rest i hate watching weekly because of all the "breaks" which sometimes last up to 1 - 3 months long but mostly every holiday they are off for like 3 weeks, i can't do it any more.

Even the more crappy seasons of Supernatural the inside jokes are just worth every second and first episode they got right into 1 or 2 inside jokes, like the moment Mary asked "Is that a computer?" and Cas said "Yes... i don't trust them" hehe :D remember when he went on Sam and Dean's laptop and all of a sudden all the porn pop-ups started showing up because of Dean's use of porn? xD , that is no doubt what they were joking about, god i miss those inside jokes with Cas and i hope to see more in no matter what seasons, they have definitely been lacking inside jokes the past 3 or 4 seasons. I can't wait to see Jared back at Gilmore Girls too, that will be so funny watching and i have no doubt Jensen will take the mick out of him for months about it lol, but it's ironic how Jared played someone called Dean and now Jensen is playing a Dean and Jared is now a Sam lol i wish i could hear how Jensen takes the mick out of him for that too.

Welcome back Supernatural crew! i missed you! :)
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Oct 15, 2016
I'm sad. That's all. Sad that I was incredibly dissatisfied with last year's finale (and what immediately preceded it). So much so that I didn't really care about this season. And I'm that guy who keeps posting how I loved the first 9 seasons and change, Leviathans and all. Even 10 was *okay*.

Everyone seems to agree this British MoL thing was awful, so then how was the episode not awful itself? That was about 60% of the episode.

And why do all of Lucifer's vessels have their eyes burned out? That's what happens when an angel kills a human, not what happens when they are inhabited by one. We've seen people explode in season 9.

But mainly, with Lucifer, his vessel was deteriorating. So unless Lucifer kept facepalming himself (I was actually imagining this) then this too makes no sense...

Castiel getting knocked around like a ragdoll, despite supposedly being back to full strength. And this goofy angel/demon banter like they're morons at the office is also wearing thin. Since when do they take on the personality of their vessel? The angels didn't in season 9. Castiel didn't. Or any of the angels. Nor the demons! It was amusing at first (but not for every long), but... I don't know. I've got nothing left.
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Oct 16, 2016
Lucifer can't seem to find a suitable body so he has to jump, leaving the body a crisp. Remember Raphael left his original vessel into a blabbering shell before going back into it, and Luci is WAY more powerful than Raph. Nick and Sam were pre-chosen and they needed gallons of demon blood to contain all that power, and Word of God says Castiel's body was rebuilt so much it's pretty much a super-clone of Jimmy's body, so Luci could fit. So I'm betting Luci went into the body. the body lasted maybe 2 hours, then Luci burst out.
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Oct 23, 2016
//Word of God says Castiel's body was rebuilt so much it's pretty much a super-clone of Jimmy's body, so Luci could fit.//

Whah? I don't... huh!?

//Remember Raphael left his original vessel into a blabbering shell before going back into it, and Luci is WAY more powerful than Raph.//

Yes but the EYES being burned out! They weren't burnt to a crisp. They look like they were killed from the outside! I don't know what else to say on the matter. We'll have to disagree, but please elaborate on the first point. What is this conspiracy theory?
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Oct 25, 2016
People were complaining that there was no way Jimmy's body could handle Lucifer without melting like Nick's (and Nick was drinking demon blood) so one of producers at a panel explained that when Raphael killed Castiel, God created a clone of the Jimmy's body and put Cas into it, exactly like what heaven did with Anna's body when the original vaporized when she got her grace back. When Lucifer blew up the clone body, God reassembled it and fortified it so it couldn't be destroyed so easily, which is why it didn't dissolve immediately when Cas absorbed every soul in Purgatory. Yes, the body did die again briefly when Cas was turned human and killed by a Reaper, but he was brought back, got his grace back, and the body regained its durability, which is why it could handle not only Luci AND Cas living inside it but also withstand Amara's torture for so long.
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Oct 16, 2016
In this particular instance, it came across as though the demon was taking the p**s out of a former, female vessel as he was in male vessel.
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Oct 23, 2016
K.
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Oct 15, 2016
I'm so glad you're still doing the Supernatural reviews! Since this site has turned into complete garbage I had no idea if we'd be getting your reviews anymore.

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Oct 15, 2016
I enjoyed this episode. I thought it was a good start to the season, even if it was slower paced. It's where the story needs to be right now--getting Sam back and reconnecting with mom. I loved the Impala scene. It made me laugh out loud. I thought Samantha Smith and Jared did excellent acting jobs in the episode.
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Oct 15, 2016
It was a pretty good episode. Poor Sam. Love the scene witht the backseat. And cas meeting Mary. NAd the hug. And I don't much care for the British lady. SPN sure knows how to write women very very unlikeble.
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Oct 15, 2016
You're not supposed to like Lady Toni, she's torturing Sam. We've not seen enough of her or been given a reason to like her. Right now, she's just a threat.
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Oct 15, 2016
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Oct 15, 2016
Your sole purpose on this site seems to be trolling and insulting others. You contribute nothing by way of healthy comments, feedback, reviews or anything to this site. The only thing you seem to be interested in, is denigrating the personal viewing choices of other people. This is a discussion about the latest episode of Supernatural not a platform for you to have an angry rant! I suggest you go elsewhere!
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Oct 15, 2016
Then just watch sitcoms if that's what you like I will not apologize for liking action and violence, and if you don't like the people on this site or the subject matter you don't have to be here it will make you happier.
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Oct 15, 2016
I sell then...

I have very long history with Sitcoms since I was born... I want to see full time relationships, love, romance, marriage, family and happy endings...

And unlike Drama/Serious Entertainment, where none of these things are on top of their minds at all... I don't want to see 5 min relationship story, I want to see full time relationship story...

So yeah, I sell will pull the plug on Action, Killing, Violence and No Happy Endings at all... I will stick with Sitcoms in a heartbeat over Dramas any day of the week....
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Oct 15, 2016
''Is that a computer'' ''. ''Yes.. I don't trust them'' loool Cas
I have been tortured by the devil himself, your just a pantsuit''' Loool go Sam

Would really love to see Lucifer, Horsemen, Crowley, Abaddon etcc and the whole host of top of the food chain monsters against the brits and see how tough they talk after..
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Oct 15, 2016
You caught onto that inside joke too eh? hehe xD, i'm still giggling, every inside joke i hear i can't help but giggle especially the one about gone on a Flatbread xD i swear to god Cas checked in that moment.
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Oct 16, 2016
I don't know how Mischa keeps a straight face to deliver his lines sometimes.
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Feb 03, 2017
They don't... most likely it took them a few takes because Jensen and Jared got giddy about it which sets Misha off lol.
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Oct 15, 2016
The fact that they are trying to screw with god & amara's literal chosen ones... I mean have they been watching the same Winchester brothers as us? Wtf was their fancy British warding gonna do vs leviathans, archangels, devils and gods? Nothing. That's when you call a Winchester.
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Oct 16, 2016
British hubris is so annoying to watch.
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Oct 17, 2016
American stereotypes of foreigners are so annoying to watch.
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Oct 15, 2016
Yeah that's what I'm saying they slaughter anything resembling a monster but I doubt they dealt with all the big bads that the winchesters have dealt with like the leviathans I doubt that warding would do anything against them.
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Oct 15, 2016
Yeah, I did think it was pretty cool (also unrealistic) that the "British" not English MoL (liked that crazy Toni seemed to take such offence to that) had everything warded to protect and kill the monsters. But I'm not sure how you ward off Leviathans, Cain, Abbadon, etc.

Also, seemed pretty suspicious to me that if their system is so great why the angels, Crowley, God never mentioned it to the boys. Crowley especially would have thrown in some comment about the UK being a bad place for demons to go. It seems like they're dealing with small potatoes compared to what the Winchesters face regularly. I get that to the MoL the boys have screwed up "saving the world/bringing Armageddon" but they ALWAYS clean up their messes & everybody elses too. Seriously, how many times have they saved the world?! Um, did the MoL not get the memo that Dean stopped the Darkness?

Hunters being reclusive & untrustworthy by nature aren't gonna welcome these MoL with open arms even if Sam gave names and locations. Seems to me that the MoL want to sit back and use the hunters as their attack dogs, cuz I don't think they could handle this sh** on their own.
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Oct 15, 2016
The MoL seem tough against things that don't expect magical resistance, but considering what we know of the lore, anything anticipating magic, or that deals heavily against magic would slaughter them... and, at least as far as America was concerned, they did. If Abaddon alone took out as much of them as we're told, they wouldn't stand a chance against things like Cain, Lucifer, Death, Crowley, Abaddon, Archangels, Alpha monsters, etc.
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Oct 14, 2016
After you've fixed God, you're gonna have a little downtime. But it's kinda hard to believe some people have never heard the legend of the Winchester boys, and how they never lose. I love it when some skanky new vampire thinks they've got them. It's kinda like shooting at Superman...
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Oct 14, 2016
That was a brilliant episode and great start! One of the best I've seen in a long time, really loved it!

The slow pace was good and there was a feeling of depth to this episode which was nice to sink into. Quite a few storylines have been set up and for a change the new adversary is human (UK MoL Chapter) instead of supernatural. Can't think why shooting, kidnapping and torturing someone is a good way to form an alliance, but hey, perhaps it's a throwback to the colonizing ways of the Brits.

The look on Dean's face when he realised what Mary got up to in the back seat of the Impala, which looked great btw, was priceless. As for being conceived on the backseat, well that's anyone's guess.

I thought Castiel was a bit lukewarm towards Mary and what's up with him being gung ho all of a sudden?! Maybe this will play out with him feeling sidelined or something.

If Supernatural continues with this quality then it will be a great season. All we need now is a decent review. 10 comments after the post being up for 8hrs is another pretty shocking example of the decline of this site.
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Oct 14, 2016
i really loved it and it was a slow start but so what? it worked i think and even had me tearing up a little at the start when she realized it was Dean she was talking to. it still felt like he left stuff out in telling her stuff though. like about Crowley and Lucifer and do so on.

but that's okay because she will no doubt meet them at some point anyways. i just hope they don't kill her off, or make her evil or anything like that. because i hope she stays on the show as it's nice to see her on it for once instead of in flashbacks.

i enjoyed the scenes with Dean more than Sam because it was his mom. and i can't wait until Next Week until Sam meets his mom.
it does help that she knows there's evil shit out there i think.
and i wasn't really sure why Toni wanted info from Sam. it wasn't made clear enough. and i dunno why they think they can be worse than the devil himself. doing that to his foot sure is painful but he's been through worse torture wise and being splashed cold ass water on him isn't one of them. it's kinda weak compared to what he's done in the past. and it did look a bit like Toni was having 2nd thoughts about it. but it also if i am wrong could have been her thinking holy shit he can take this? regardless if she brings that dude to torture sam some more i think she realizes he can take it.
which means that the UK men of letters may know a lot true, but here still still a shit ton they don't know about the boys.

regardless what they may think and damn i can't wait until next week
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Oct 15, 2016
It seemed like Toni was shocked that Sam could handle the pain, but really only cared about the knowledge of the other hunters and didn't want him to die for that reason. I really don't like her, I hope the bi*** gets the wrath of Dean, Cass, & even Crowley reigned down on her. Which probably means she'll stick around for half the season! lol

Dean's face was priceless as he realized the memories the backseat held for his mom, especially since we've seen him do the same thing in the early seasons. I loved it.

I have a feeling that Mary being back is going to cause a lot of conflict in the group. She never wanted that life, never really truly experienced it like John and the boys did, & I think she's going to have a hard time wrapping her head around working with Cass, Crowley, and watching her boys face off against all these monsters and now Lucifer. I think this has the potential for being one of the best seasons in years imo.
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Oct 15, 2016
I doubt the bits have anyone who've been tortured in hell and came back.
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Oct 21, 2016
i looked the rating that it got last week on wikipedia and if the ratings are right it got the highest rating it had since Feb. of (2015) i think it said?
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Oct 14, 2016
I thought that episode was incredible, with an emotional impact to boot! Mary looking at all the children playing with their phones instead of engaging with their families...that right there shows some serious emotional growth for this show. One of their better premieres for sure. I'll take this "slow" start to season 12 as a good sign if things to come...I mean, it's not like we have to deal with Leviathans and Dick Roman again right?
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Oct 15, 2016
I have a sneaking suspicion that Mary is going to end up causing strife in the group. While the boys want their mom back, I don't think she's going to be able to deal with the life they lead and is going to try and get them out of it. I hope I'm wrong though, it would be great for them to have her back, defeat Lucifer, and retire from hunting. That sounds like a series finale though.
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Oct 15, 2016
I actually really liked the leviathans as new big baddies, sadly, the writing just never seemed to do them justice. Once we found out household cleaners and decapitation did them in, they were reduced to nothing more troubling than a solo vampire.
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Oct 14, 2016
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Oct 14, 2016
Does this mean the Impala calls Dean "Baby" too?
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Oct 15, 2016
I honestly never considered that scene as a conception reference, I genuinely thought Dean was worried at the possibility that his mom was gonna be the one driving her now that she was back. His reaction didn't seem nearly disturbed enough to make me think of anything else.
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Oct 15, 2016
That's hilarious! I laughed cuz I figured she had memories of the backseat & Dean realized he didn't want to go there especially since he's gotten his own fair share of backseat action! :) I did expect her to tell him to toss her the car keys though; I'd love to see Dean riding shotgun next to his mom.
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Oct 15, 2016
Mary was remembering her and John having a good time in the backseat. And then it registered on Dean's face what she was thinking about.
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Oct 14, 2016
I really enjoyed the reunions of Dean and Mary, and Dean and Castiel. Was this summer break longer this year? It felt like it, but watching these characters all hug and enjoy being back together was a great way to start off the season after a long hiatus. It's too bad Sam wasn't there for the great family moments, but by the end of the episode I was still feeling reasonably good about Sam's odds of eventually escaping the British Men of Letters or being rescued by the rest of his family. Obviously dark forces are still afoot (mainly Lucifer, but also Crowley). But the fact that the British MoL have pretty much conquered their monster problem means maybe there is still hope for the humans of Supernatural America to do the same (even though God is once again out of the picture) if they eventually learn to get along with each other, get organized and teach each their best monster-defeating tips and tricks. :)
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Oct 15, 2016
There's something shady going on with the British MoL. Maybe the boys will overcome the sadistic torture of Sam & work with Toni (although I'd love for her to have a painful death at the hand of a monster or demon). I am curious who that man (I can't remember his name) that the other lady suggested bringing in, and Toni said "I don't want that psychopath anywhere near me" is. I have a feeling he could be a threat.

But I don't think there's a chance in hell that the MoL could handle half of what the boys have dealt with. Their warding is cool, but I think they've dealt with small time threats nothing like what we've seen Sam and Dean deal with.
If this is the last season, I could see everyone joining forces to get Lucifer back to Hell, but the gang doesn't really need the UK MoL imo.
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Oct 14, 2016
She did want a list of all the Hunters Sam knew. She wanted to organized them. What I do not understand is why no one checked on TMOL U.S branch when they all got killed.
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Oct 15, 2016
I get the feeling that the MoL basically want the hunters as their attack dogs. Maybe they do genuinely want to help, but obviously she doesn't understand the nature of hunters. Even if Sam gave her names and locations of the hunters I don't see the hunters wanting to get involved with the MoL. They're secretive and suspicious by nature & I can't see any of the past hunters we've seen getting involved with the MoL.
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Oct 14, 2016
I liked it. I loved that Dean was apperently conceived in the back seat. I love the slow take and that no one was rushing the plot. I didn't like that Cas and Dean's fight of two against one was so drawn out to just to have Mary save the day. I mean, the moment it started we knew the end, but come on, did it have to be that long? Did Cas had to be there? I get we have to establish Mary as a kick ass mom but I don't get why we have to weaken the others to do that.

The British Men of Letters plot was as bad as I expected, so no suprises there. One of the last episodes of last season involved Sam getting shot in the gut by a shotgun,hanging around at a slow pace, getting strangled by a newbie werewolf and left for dead, getting back up, fighting some people and walking back to the car to drive to the hospital and save Dean. Oh, and kill all the werewolfs while grunting. A lot of people didn't like that episode. I found it hilarious. After that tiny bit, not to mention a thousand years or something with Lucifer, why were we supposed to believe he couldn't get away from that woman? Was it her horrible clothes or something?
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Oct 14, 2016
Woow...NOT ONE good review on any show anymore...
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