We're moving Forums to the Community pages. Click here for more information and updates.

Teen Wolf: Rave to the Grave (PHOTO RECAP)

Teen Wolf S02E08: "Raving"


Uh-oh, this is definitely happening. We've all started reading Playboy for the articles. Whatever lurid thrills might have drawn us into Teen Wolf at the outset—atmospheric horror, morbid humor, towel scenes, oh Lord, the towel scenes—this show quickly made us care about its characters and story. Imagine that! I don't know about you, but this week's episode, "Raving," was by far my favorite episode of Teen Wolf yet. Now, of course there's a chance this has something to do with the fact that I got to watch it projected on a huge video screen with a rapturous audience at Comic-Con, but upon re-watching the episode alone in my living room, I was still completely thrilled by it. I think the mark of a winning series is when it can wring thrills out of the mere presence of a character (Mrs. Argent staring through the door!); the day-to-day stresses of high-pressure jobs (Stiles' poor dad!); and best yet, small moments of unexpected tenderness between characters (Scott and Isaac, Scott and Derek). It's definitely saying something when an episode can be this fun without Lydia or shirtlessness, you know?

Anyway, yeah, call me Tilda Swinton because WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT "RAVING."

Things got off to an eerie start when Jackson received a mysterious text message in class, then embarked on a sinister, Terminator-esque march downtown for some unspecified purpose. Oh, and I guess he might've stopped off to loiter at a 7-11 at some point because by the time he arrived it was dark and a lot of his fellow classmates had beaten him there. I don't know, maybe whoever was controlling him was easily distracted or needed a frozen burrito real bad.

Scott popped his head out from around a corner because he'd been following Jackson apparently. Anyway, they were all lined up in an alley to buy some tickets for that secret, drug-free rave Matt had invited Allison to in the previous episode. Matt was there buying his tickets and there was a seriously awkward moment where Scott asked Matt if he could borrow $75 to buy a ticket too. Oh, Scott!

This sequence was intercut with scenes of Stiles and his dad teaming up to link all the Kanima's victims so far. Their relationship has always been one of the show's best, but this episode took it to a whole 'nother level. For instance, it was the first time Sheriff Stilinski had ever opened up and allowed Stiles to help solve a case, right? And we learned a lot more about what was going on: All the victims so far had graduated from Beacon Hills High School in 2006 (and in the case of Isaac's dad, Isaac had a deceased older brother from that class as well.) And guess which teacher they'd all seemingly shared? That's right, the creepy science teacher with the Einstein bumper sticker!

Oh, and this '06 grad selling rave tickets seemed to be in A LOT of trouble now:

Yeah, that face is a creepy thing to have to deal with when you're just trying to sell underground rave tickets from an old elevator car, you know?

Meanwhile at the morgue (where hospital staff doesn't much care who comes and goes apparently), Mr. Argent was turning the Kanima situation into a teachable moment.

Mr. Argent was now fully aware that they were looking for both a Kanima and a master, but when Allison proved reluctant to reveal who the Kanima was, he made a pretty convincing speech about why she needed to 'fess up. Seriously! I thought he made some good points. Specifically he said that the family's role was more than just werewolf hunting; it was to protect people who couldn't protect themselves. Apparently Allison saw the nobility in that too, because pretty soon she spilled everything she knew about Jackson. Wuh-oh!

But the Argents weren't the only ones trying to mitigate the Kanima trouble. Scott, Derek, and Isaac showed up at the vet's office looking for help on how to trap the thing (after Derek reluctantly gave up hope that they'd get to kill Jackson.) The vet then busted out his witchcraft spice rack (or whatever) and demonstrated that a ring of Mountain Ash could trap a supernatural creature in a building (similar to the ring of salt that Esther used to trap vampires in The Vampire Diaries.)

There was also some mumbo jumbo about how you can, I guess, cut corners in this ash-ring business by simply visualizing the ring and letting the power of positive thinking do the rest. I'm not sure either!

Probably my favorite element of this episode was how formerly warring factions were now working together. Like this tiny moment where Isaac took it upon himself to wrestle up some rave tickets for Scott and Stiles by roughing up a fellow student on their behalf.

And Teen Wolf did one of my favorite visual jokes where it just kept the camera on bystanders while we just heard violent sound-effects. (Other funny versions of this gag can be found in Wet Hot American Summer and Strangers With Candy. The More You Know [starburst])

It must be impossible for writers to come up with new spins on the one-on-one romantic scenes, especially on shows like this. But this scene felt fresh and compelling! Reasoning that they needed to take their relationship even more underground by pretending to date—and even kiss—other people, Allison then challenged Scott's idea by kissing him super passionately.

And then he responded, "Yeah, not like that." I just really liked all the layers of this scene! But that was nothing compared to how it ended:

I KNOW RIGHT? Holy moly. STILL THE BEST.

Quick question: Were you expecting Mr. Argent to look this jacked? Jeez! Parents are really representing on this show! Anyway, it was time for the Argents to mobilize for a Kanima-hunt! I was really into Gerard's dinky switchblade:

Get 'em, Gramps! Actually, Gerard was really fun and campy in this episode. Aside from very conspicuously taking pills from that ornamental locket (relax with the taking pills from an ornamental locket already!), he was also fond of ominously intoning trite one-liners like "Something wicked this way comes." [Spoken in gravelly Michael Hogan voice] Let's be real, this guy's becoming pretty hilarious.

Decidedly less hilarious was this exchange in which we learned that Stiles' dad lost his job! And not only that, it was decidedly due to Stiles' inappropriate behavior around the Sheriff's Department. The saddest part was how he couldn't even look his son in the eye when he explained what had happened.

But then it got even MORE devastating when Stiles asked why his dad wasn't even mad at him, and Mr. Stilinski answered that he was already sad enough and that yelling at his son would only make things worse. Just totally devastating. Stiles' wordless response said it all. This scene was a sucker punch in the best way.

Quick aside: Teen Wolf is the kind of show that not only gives its adult characters purpose, it also suggests that there are real-life consequences to being overly focused on epic supernatural problems. Like how Scott's failing his classes. Stiles' dad just got fired. The town's leaders get regularly overthrown by a powerful upperclass (in this case, Jackson's attorney father seemed to be the orchestrator of the Sheriff's dismissal.) All these bummers not only ring true, they raise the stakes while simultaneously keeping things grounded. See what I'm saying? The writerly decisions this show makes have become downright refreshing.

Hey, let's go to a rave!

For a $75 drug-free experience, it didn't look all that fun. Just being honest! But I did enjoy how Isaac and Erica sashayed into the party like they owned the joint. Those two.

But there was trouble in paradise when Scott saw Allison hanging with Matt and he'd seemingly forgotten that she'd told him outright that she would be attending this thing. Scott got real mad all of a sudden! Especially when he learned that Allison's dad was going to try and take down Jackson, which posed a clear threat to HIS plan to drug Jackson and capture his master.

To her credit, Allison (who didn't really do anything wrong in my opinion) pleaded that she'd try and help fix things, but Scott was super mean to her and stormed off. Uh-oh! Maybe this would be the rare high school romance that WASN'T forever?

I did enjoy the fact that even in a bad mood Scott was still capable of expressing tenderness toward his friends.

This was right after he'd handed Isaac a syringe full of ketamine with which to subdue Jackson on the dance floor. Ending the exchange with meaning "be careful" was really sweet, you guys. I mean, come on. Isaac was an abused loner and here's his teammate giving him an agenda-free pat on the back for the first time ever? The ensuing gaze between them was almost unbearably long. AKA I LOVED IT.

I also loved Erica and Isaac's method of getting close to Jackson. Nothing says inconspicuous like a couple of werewolves (that you hate) coming up and engaging in a bi-curious three-way grind! But apparently Jackson wasn't TOO fooled, as he caught onto their weirdness and clawed Erica real good right there on the dance floor.

Fortunately Isaac had the wherewithal to recover his weird syringe-gun and jab Jackson good and hard. Pretty soon he was dragging a limp jock off the dance floor and nobody even noticed!

Meanwhile outside, Derek and Boyd were having a showdown with Mr. Argent and his goons. I loved that they were all there for the same purpose but still found time for a VERY public gunfight!

And, like, fighting moves straight out of Super Street Fighter II Turbo?

I loved this though:

Two dudes tased Derek at the same time, so he just yanked the cords together and knocked the guys into each other. Just a very realistic way to handle a double-tasing, in other words.

Meanwhile Scott was NOT having a great night. After running outside to see what was up with Derek, a black SUV slammed into him. And guess who got out?

Yep! America's favorite mom.

Meanwhile Stiles' main task was to encircle the entire warehouse with Mountain Ash. It's unclear where he bought so much of it in bulk (Costco?), but this sequence came to a head when he ran out of Mountain Ash a good fifty feet away from completing the circle. Then thinking back to what the vet had said (oh, and noticing a nearby bumper sticker which contained an Einstein quote related to the power of imagination!) Stiles closed his eyes and imagined that the circle was complete and then IT WAS. So, um. Was that technically magic? It kind of seemed like magic to me. I suppose it could be argued that Mountain Ash is just an offshoot to the werewolf lore which is inherently magic and that Stiles didn't necessarily practice his own magic. But still. IT SEEMED LIKE MAGIC TO ME.

I would not be mad if Stiles became a wizard. You know?

Sensing that Allison's nervous, vulnerable sadness made for a great opportunity to seal the deal, Matt kissed her right then and there. She obviously recoiled, stammered something, and took off. But don't give up hope, Matt! (And FYI it didn't escape me that he might be the Kanima's master, but if so, he's a great multi-tasker for reasons we were about to discover.)

P.S. this guy was at the rave. Because of course he was. I think he only goes because of how happy it makes his girlfriend.

Meanwhile in some walk-in freezer (?), Stiles and his werewolf budz woke up a highly drugged Jackson only to find themselves speaking to the Kanima's master directly!

It confirmed that it's only been killing murderers. Verified! And when Stiles asked him WHY those people in particular, it creepily responded "They murdered me." Whoa, that was unexpected. I mean, I knew it was a revenge-based thing, but the added element that perhaps the master is some kind of undead (or back from the dead) supernatural creature himself is kind of amazing. This plotline just got even cooler somehow.

Unfortunately the cat tranquilizer wore off and the Kanima was OUTTA THERE.

I loved when the kids ran outside and fortified themselves against the door but the Kanima just busted through the wall. That was some Looney Tunes stuff right there! But awesome obviously.

The Kanima's first order of business was jumping back on the revenge train. Goodbye ticket taker lady! (In all seriousness, one of my big phobias and something that unsettles me the most in horror movies is when people are killed in public but nobody notices. This part really freaked me out!)

Oh, Mrs. Argent. So obviously she was trying to kill Scott, but her method was just straight-up hilarious: Wolfsbane in a pot vaporizer! It would look like a fatal asthma attack, she claimed. But really the main thing about this scene was it allowed Mrs. Argent to totally chew the scenery. I could seriously watch her talk ALL DAY about just about anything. But seeing her behave so sadistically was just a total thrill. Such a good villain.

But this was great: Scott growled for help and Derek heard him!

Seriously, another thing I love about this season was that they originally implied that Derek would be turning into a bad dude, but if anything he's a lot fonder of Scott now and ultimately a pretty decent guy. So it was definitely believable that Derek would fly into hero mode at any moment to save him.

Um, and his tussle with Mrs. Argent was THE BEST. She came at him with this huge dagger and she put up a heck of a fight. It was kind of hard to tell exactly what was going on with all the strobe lighting and techno music, but it was obvious that Mrs. Argent knew how to fight and fight dirty.

At some point she just disappeared from the room and Derek dragged Scott to safety. He then brought him to the vet's office where he looked super concerned about Scott. Just another surprisingly touching moment.

But then, in what constituted a BIG hint about things to come, we learned that the guidance counselor was as "in the know" about supernatural creatures as the vet was. From the way she sassed him, I immediately assumed they were family, but who knows? This vet character has always been pretty audacious: Teen Wolf skipped the part where it explained this guy's credentials and just made him an all-knowing mentor figure. And you know what? I kind of dig that. I like not knowing what his deal is. Was he a witch doctor? A former hunter? A part-time banshee? No idea. But this scene ended on an ominous note when the guidance counselor asked, "Do they have any idea what's coming?" And he nervously answered that they all had enough on their minds these days. WHOA. Was this the beginning of a Season THREE big bad? WHAT was coming, lady? I can't with this show. So tantalizing.

Oh, but then. BUT THEN.

That's right, Mrs. Argent got BIT UP during her tussle with Derek. I am still a bit speechless over this. One word: YES. I don't even... I mean. Just yes.

Nothing like a season finale cliffhanger in Episode EIGHT. Man, "Raving" had a ton of elements that I love in a TV show all packed into 42 minutes. It's anyone's guess who the Kanima's master will be (promos have been teasing that we'll learn in the next episode), but the strength of this storyline is increasingly the WHY and not the WHO. That's an impressive feat to pull off in what's essentially a mystery plot. And now with Allison's MOM getting the bite? Holy jeez, that'll change basically everything!

That's all, I GOTTA GO LIE DOWN BYEEE.


QUESTIONS:

... Will Mrs. Argent actually turn or will she pull a Bill Forbes?

... How often do you go to $75 drug-free secret warehouse raves?

... Is Scott accidentally taking over Derek's pack through niceness?

... Are Scott and Allison dunzo?


IN CASE YOU MISSED THEM...
Teen Wolf: Snake Snacks & Schisms (Season 2, Episode 7: "Restraint")
Teen Wolf: Up in the Club (Season 2, Episode 6: "Frenemy")
Teen Wolf: Scaling Back (and Neck) (Season 2, Episode 5: "Venomous")
Teen Wolf: Paralysis Analysis (Season 2, Episode 4: "Abomination")
Teen Wolf: Makeover Takeover (Season 2, Episode 3: "Ice Pick")
Teen Wolf: Crazy, Good, & Crazy Good (Season 2, Episodes 1 & 2: "Omega" & "Shape Shifted")
Comic-Con 2012: Teen Wolf Cast Q&A;
Comic-Con 2012: The Teen Wolf Cast Announces a Mega-Sized Season 3 Renewal
Teen Wolf: Season 1, Episodes 7-12 (Still To Come)
Teen Wolf: Howls, Growls & Towels (Season 1, Episodes 1-6)
What Teen Wolf Gets Right

Comments (212)
Submit
Sort: Latest | Popular
this might be a bit late, but I'm a bit confused...not sure if anyone really knows but how come when they (scott and allison) were in the chemistry room, why did allison seem a bit odd when scott was okay with seeing other people, also when they stopped kissing, she had a worried/sad expression look? and when he said i love you, she said you too but in a, i guess 'distant'? type manner, i'm not sure if i've missed something, like was there something that made her upset beforehand because i don't remember :')
Reply
Flag
Well right before that Scott had done a poor job explaining that Mrs. Argent was on to him; and she obviously wasn't completely aware of how dangerous the situation could be for Scott. This is further evidenced by the way the rest of the season goes (and into season 3 until she learns the truth about what happened at the end of this episode).
Reply
Flag
First of all I'd like to thank Mr. Price for awesome and hilarious photo recaps. Man, you had me ROFL. As you may have guessed this is my first ever comment, so please bear with me.



Season 1 was great. All the funky shots,the on-liners and - my favorite - how Derek and Scott takes on the big bad alpha. All in all I was psyched for season 2. And, as the first scene rolled on, I was in for a ride. From the very start season 2 was bigger, badder and darker. But after a few episodes, I was mad. The plot was getting a lot confusing. All the inconsistencies were not sitting well with me. The one that totally frustrated me was this one.



=> All the alphas they have shown in season 1 turn into a full-on monster wolf viz. Derek's sister and Peter, whereas Derek didn't. Not even for a single time, mind explaining it that to me.



Also, as a note to Mr. Price, I think Scott was just mad because Allison hanging out at the rave was not good for their plan to kidnap Jackson, but when he found out that Allison had outed that Jackson is the 'kanima' to her dad, he got really mean. And, for which, I don't blame him. Nothing makes me angry than broken trust. Also, I think it's just silly how easily Mrs. Argent got bit. She is supposed to be the leader or something. (As far I remember females are leaders, right?)



At the end, my favorite character --------> Stiles. Man, what a great actor! Seriously his timing is awesome. Also, my rating of hotties........

On number four. Allison : Dunno, but her smile don't work for me.

On number three. Ms. Morell : Hey, who would've guessed?

On number two. Lydia : I always found her cuter than Allison.

On number one. Erica : I know, I know, she acts like a bitch. But what can I say, I like the fiery ones!!
More+
Reply
Flag
YOU GUYS I JUST FOUND SOMETHING OUT.

DO NOT LOOK IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BUT IT'S ABOUT MAMA ARGENT.









































(She is really dead. )
Reply
Flag
Absolutely love the show!

If Mrs. Argent turns can you imagine the awfully frightening wolf she'd be!!!!

Now... I wonder if they have a pact... like if one of the hunters gets bitten do the rest kill the person?



BTW: Super neat "TOP" button you added! Great idea and... it was about time!
Reply
Flag
All the victims so far had graduated from Beacon Hills High School in 2006 (and in the case of Isaac's dad, Isaac had a deceased older brother from that class as well.)



The Arson case is also 6 years old. Kanima Jackson spoke quite earnestly (lol) about having been MURDERED. Perhaps all the folks Kanima Jackson has murdered were somewhow involved in the fire?



Also, what might have happened with the nurse that Peter Hale attacked in the conclusion of Season 1? And what reason would he have had to kill her as she seemed to be more of a caretaker than simply his nurse?
Reply
Flag
I remember the nurse in Peter's car (the laptop scene with Stiles) all bloody...but I don't know if Peter would have "wasted" her without turning her...maybe he bit her and she is dead or maybe she is a super vengeful werewolf!!!!
Reply
Flag
http://youtu.be/nyV5QziOvYw



Dylan O'Brien and Tyler Hoechlin Get Freaky On Boat! Cute!
1
Reply
Flag
the only complaint i have about this episode was the disappointing rave scenes. first of all, underground warehouse raves are not $75, and if this one was than they could of made it look better. the flashing white lights were lame and it was too bright in there.. idk maybe im just used to club scenes from like skins and misfits where they actually look sick and play better music.. anyways, other than that it was a great episode
1
Reply
Flag
Okay, I'm late to the game and I might be repeating a few other people, but I just got caught up with this week's episode. And I have to be honest, I only read about 1/2 way up. :) I also might be completely wrong about all of these thoughts, but I'll give it a go....



Mrs. Argent -

We never saw Derek bite her. So, did she really get bit by Derek, get bit by someone else, or fake the whole thing? I'm not sure why she would fake it and risk her husband or Gramps killing her on the spot, but this show can be bat-shit crazy (in a good way!). Perhaps it's to blame Scott, drive a wedge between him and Allison, and/or get Mr. Argent to seek revenge / finish the job?

BUT... what if she really was bit? By Derek or a mystery someone else? That actually got me thinking about Gerard (G-pa Argent), all those pills he takes like clockwork, and not crossing the black ash line! What if he's been bit, like a LONG, LONG time ago? And he found something (now in handy pill form) that keeps him from ever turning? SECRETS, yo! I feel like we're going to find out that someone in his past, his wife or someone he loved, was a wolf and he tried to protect her / keep her alive but she turned and bit him - leading him to the pills and his philosophy of "the only good wolf is a dead one!" This would also circle back to Allison dating Scott and his belief that it can only end badly.



Kanima master -

Boy I have no clue, which is awesome! The science teacher always turns up, but then so does Matt. And when Jackson was drugged and talking all weird, he said WE'RE here (WE, as in more than one in control of the Kanima). And now we know one of them is DEAD. So, that's cool. But it doesn't mean that both of them (or more) are dead. The black ash was supposed to cut off Jackson from the person controlling him, but that didn't happen - meaning that it was someone at the party and inside the ash boundary with him. That would seem to rule out people like Gerard and Lydia/Peter. So, back to Matt and the science teacher. BUT.... what about Isaac? He was there also and his dad was the first one killed. What if he's been possessed by his dead bro (same age/class - breadcrumbs!), just like Lydia was possessed by Peter Hale? Meaning big bro was a werewolf like Peter? (In the previews for next week, they did show a dead wolf buried underground - was it Peter or someone else, like Issac's bro?) Did the '06'ers band together to protect themselves and kill a wolf and now he's out for revenge?



Also, a few people thought it was Jackson's parents, but I don't see how kids from the class of '06 would have been involved in murder or even the accidental death of Jackson's parents in a 1995 crash. They would have all been 11 years old at the time.



Other than that - yeah, I also thought the guidance counselor was related to the vet (father/daughter perhaps).



Also - man my heart broke for Stiles' dad. Wow! This show!



1. I don't know who Bill Forbes is, but I'm guessing that she won't ever turn - whether it's because she faked the whole thing or Gerard will put her on his pill regimen to keep her from turning.

2. Drug free? I thought those kids were X-ing BIG TIME!

3. I think so, he's slowly gaining the loyalty of the other wolves, I wouldn't be surprised to find that he'll usurp Derek as the Alpha in a season or two.

4. I don't think so, but a wedge has definitely been ...wedged... between them.



This show is so much fun! There is nothing else like it on TV right now!
More+
Reply
Flag
During the tussle between Derek and Mrs. Argent, you have to listen real close. You will hear wolf growls and two distinctive bite sounds. This is when Derek bites her. You have to listen closely. It took me a few watches to hear it, but after hearing it, it all made sense to me.
Reply
Flag
William "Bill" Forbes II was a former Mystic Falls resident who returned to point out all the failings of the current Council's attempts to keep vampires out of town, after discovering his daughter, Caroline, is one of them.
Reply
Flag
Thanks for the info. I'm guessing that's a character from TVD? I've never seen it.
Reply
Flag
You should watch TVD. It's pretty good.
Reply
Flag
A thought that just poped to my mind: Can Lydia be the Kanima's master, under the control of Peter Hale?
Reply
Flag
I thought Peter Hale pretty much completed his quest for vengeance when Allison's aunt finally got killed. I don't think Peter's controlling it.
Reply
Flag
I'm thinking the Kanima's Master will turn out to be Issac's brother. There are a lot of clues pointing to him....
Reply
Flag
I would be disappointed if it turns out to be Isaac's brother because he hasn't been shown. In other words, it would be a lazy turn for the writers. The Master should turn out to be a character who has had a significant role so far. I'm thinking it has to be Grandpa.
Reply
Flag
I agree. And I think the writers know that, too. I don't think they're going to throw us someone who hasn't even been on screen as the Kanima's master. This show has mastered its storytelling so far, and I just don't see them coping out with something underwhelming like that.
Reply
Flag
Is it just me or did Gerard not cross the ash line outside. Maybe he just thought it was funny, but I'm thinking he couldn't really get through...

1. I almost expected him to kill her right then and there, maybe just do it quick, before anyone can change their minds, haha. But Mr. Argent does seem to be the more *cough* soft-hearted *cough* of the hunters. At least compared to the rest of his family.

2. I wouldn't pay 75 dollars for any rave.

3. I like Derek, and I like when he and the others are shown as people trying to do the right thing than just mean kids who are finally strong enough to be mean or just plain monsters. I liked Erica and Isaac when we first met them, but then they just turned into jerks. Hopefully, they'll be people again, hehe. I think it's cool that Scott finds a place with them.

4. Was this week about trying to give Scott and Allison a reason to fight? Is next week going to be Alison mad at Scott 'cause mom's gonna be turning into a monster or dying? I hope not.
Reply
Flag
The twist at this point would be if Grandpa Argent just had bad breath and an altoid habit.
2
Reply
Flag
THIS!
Reply
Flag
I'm thinking the "they killed me angle" isn't supposed to indicate yet another supernatural creature that is controlling the Kanima but rather Gerard. He's taking all those pills out of the mystical locket because he's dying. HIs final act is to get revenge on the people who sealed his fate.

Reply
Flag
Ohhh I hadn't thought about how 'they killed me' might actually be future tense. I like it!
Reply
Flag
I like this theory. I paused the scene in the hospital right before the Master kills the mother of the newborn - and dude wearing the hood could very easily be Gerard. Gerard is also a character who appears to have a long list of reasons to be very bitter. And with his role at the school, his character is well positioned to have some sort of history with BHS.
Reply
Flag
I was actually thinking that that part was actually from Real Jackson.
Reply
Flag
Question: In Teen Wolf, you have to be an alpha to bit? I remember Peter attacking Lydia and Scott and so on, but I have no memory of a Beta biting someone. If works like that, Mrs. Argent has to be bitten by an alpha, maybe not Derek, but an alpha for sure!
Reply
Flag
If a beta bites you it's like a normal wolf bites you. Only if an alpha bites you you can change.
Reply
Flag
I don't know, I think they didn't bother with some of the bigger theories behind werewolves in the first season because they only had 12 eps to establish an origin story and really just kind of follow a more flushed out version on the standard werewolf myth that if you kill the one who bit you, you are cured. Like, the number of times that Scott accused Derek of being the one who bit him, Derek denied that of course but never said what would have happened if he had. The more important topic at that point being to make clear to Scott that since he had been bitten by an Alpha, he was part of that Alpha's pack. I actually have had this theory of my own that Derek actually isn't that far ahead of what he has ever been able to tell Scott about werewolf info because even though he was born as one, he doesn't actually seem that happy about it. So, I almost wonder if that means he kind of kept himself deliberately ignorant of a lot of info, learned his scary control over himself, but was trying to distance himself from the whole thing and it was only Laura's murder that has brought him back.
More +
Reply
Flag
The newbies were all bitten by Derek after his becoming the Alpha and Scott was bitten by Peter. If Derek could have turned someone before that I think he wouldn't have waited so long to gather a pack.

What if Mrs. Argent has been bitten by the Kanima? I don't know which rules apply with that kind of creature as it has a master and not a pack leader.

I'll watch the fight between Derek and the Mrs. again but I didn't see him bite her and then she was gone so fast. I really hope she's turning. She deserves some serious punishment after attacking Scott and trying to kill him. >.<
Reply
Flag
Good point about Derek and the pack. Maybe you have to be an alpha to make a werewolf. I wonder what will happen if scott bites someone. They do not turn, but maybe they suffer a lot...who knows...
Reply
Flag
I sincerely love the OMG that was my bro picture but that what have gone perfect with Stiles. Okay is it only me or is Boyd besides Derek the biggest badass on the show.

One question I have though obviously the teacher has a Einstein quote on his car and he knows about Jackson and is always helping Jackson so what is the biggy? Mrs. Argent is a cruel antagonist in the show but she is a badass she makes Kate look weak..
Reply
Flag
Agree. Never really cared for Kate as a character. mainly because she was all gung-ho for killing everyone for no reason. As twisted as Mrs Argent is her reasons for wanting to kill Scott are legitimate. At that makes her a better villain all around.
Reply
Flag
Legitimate? are you kidding me, you think a woman killing a teenage boy because he's dating her daughter is a legitimate reason? Scott is a great kid and most definitely does not deserve to be murdered.
Reply
Flag
When that boy is literally a monster out of a horror movie, yes, protecting your daughter from supernatural creatures that the law does not account for is a legitimate reason to commit murder. Supernatural problems require superlegal solutions.
Reply
Flag
I really don't think anyone has the right to tell another person they need to kill. And I mean kill anything whether it's stepping on a bug, slaughtering livestock, or murdering another human being, deciding to take life is a big decision. And choosing not to take life is always an acceptable choice. To say deciding not to kill makes you a murderer is offensive.
Flag
Well, that line of thinking is full of logical inconsistencies and problems that I'm not even going to touch, except to say that the show has never demonstrated any irrefutable proof that a werewolf will "ultimately" do anything. There's no evidence that anyone is guaranteed to do anything; to assume so denies even the possibility of free will of any sort.
Flag
A werewolf will ultimately kill or create another werewolf that will kill. If you have the the opportunity to kill a werewolf and do not, at best, you are an accomplice in all the future killings of that entire line of werewolves. Thus, to NOT kill a werewolf is murder.
Flag
I so agree, and not only did the werewolf Gerard murdered, not do anything to him, it was also established in the episode that he wasn't killing anyone! Poor guy was just looking for the alpha, he just wanted to find a place to belong and Gerard butchered him for it.
Flag
What's particularly interesting to me in this whole discussion is how we're defining "monster." Is a "monster" simply someone/something that doesn't fit within the typical bounds of expected anatomy/biology? Or is it defined by what it does/the choices it makes. There are some animals/creatures out there in the world that seem significantly more bizarre/unusual/scarier/dangerous than the very idea of werewolf, but we don't really call them "monsters." Can humans--normal humans--based on what they do be called monsters? I think one of the important questions this show is posing has to do with what it takes for something to be seen as a monster. Is it inherent in one's genetic makeup or based in what one says, thinks, and, most importantly, does?



For example, it seems fair to say that Gerard Argent is much more monstrous than Scott McCall. Argent has threatened Scott's innocent mother, stabbed a teenage boy, and murdered a werewolf who had done nothing to him whatsoever. Scott has saved his friends' lives, stopped the Alpha werewolf, and tried to prevent the Kanima from committing murder. On paper, and in action, Scott seems (to me, at least) morally superior to Gerard Argent, even though he may biologically be more "monstrous" (although who knows if Gerard isn't some kind of monster, too). And what of Jackson? He's clearly demonstrating a psychological schism between his human self and his Kanima/"monster" half, but do we blame Jackson for his Kanima side actions? Does the human Jackson deserve to die, as he's a threat to peoples' safety? Where's the line between monster and human in him? In anyone?
More +
Flag
One could also see it as a genocidal world view. And just because someone perceives someone as a threat doesn't mean they're right or justified (or correct; hasn't Scott proved to be hardly a threat, for example?). I admit that it's a murky, complex, and complicated situation, but the "all werewolves are bad and must be killed" approach seems way too black-and-white for something that is clearly more gray than that.
Flag
It's what I'd call an evolutionary worldview. If your species wants to survive and another species is a threat, you kill them, at every opportunity. It's worked for humanity so far.
Flag
@ buildam2005 I find the last sentence in your last statement to be pretty profound. Well said!
Flag
So Scott deserves to die, despite the fact that he has committed no crime of any sort? How would murdering someone who hasn't done anything wrong be a morally right choice? I agree that Peter Hale deserved to die, but what about Derek? What proof do you have that he's killed any innocent people? A blanket statement that all ______ deserve ______ is a pretty dangerous worldview to have.
Flag
I want to elaborate on my werewolves are not monsters stance. I get that there have been and will be werewolves who are murderers and need to be killed. Yes they have to be killed, because they are too powerful to be restrained or imprisoned in conventional ways. But just because some of them are bad does not make them all bad, and you don't wipe out an entire race of beings just because you are afraid of them. I guess my biggest point though is that it's people who are evil and who commit acts of evil. When a werewolf kills someone it's not the wolf that chooses to commit murder, it's the person who chooses. I mean think about it, human beings murder each other all the time and sometimes because of really petty or horrible reasons. Wolves on the other hand kill for food not for fun. I think we are all capable of doing really bad things, of doing the wrong thing and making the selfish choice, but we are also all capable of doing awesome things, of doing the right thing and making the selfless choice. That goes for all human beings even werewolves, therefore the only thing to do is to judge a person by their actions. And stick to the code ( we only hunt those who hunt us).
More +
Flag
Ok so I wanna start off by saying WHAT AN AWESOME EPISODE!!!!!!!!!

I'll answer the questions first:

1. I think she'll tell Alison what is going on and she will spill the beans about potentially using Lydia as a cure, so the Argents with hunt her so they can keep her locked up to create a cure. Scott will be interested in finding the cure but the Argents will have different method and Stiles will be angry and try to rescue her.

2. $75 no way am I paying that much. We dont know it was drug free, it was some kind of all ages thing, older people might have been selling at the rave.

3. Maybe but I think that Derek is kind, Scott doesnt know exactly what to do so the wolves should still follow Derek.

4. Nah probz not, especially about her mom being bitten.



So lets discuss this ep in point form:

Rave too expensive

Sad about Sherrif

Stiles is magic

Mrs Agent is a scary ass bitch

She got what she deserved

The beta wolves are starting to grow on me

and most importantly STILES IS MAGIC!!!!!!!!!

Awesome!

Reply
Flag
So Mrs. Argent will make out with Lydia?
Reply
Flag
Please please please PLEASE do not let Stiles be part fairy....
Reply
Flag
I'd opt for part Leprechaun! Although Stilinski doesn't sound very Irish to me. ^^
Reply
Flag
I have a feeling it wasn't actually magic of Stiles but his will combined with perhaps a magnetic basis of the power (you just need the ends of the line to be close enough) because I thought it was pretty clear from the vet that only a human could activate the powder.
Reply
Flag
I agree that the vet made it clear you had to be human, but I don't think there is any rule that says a human can't have magic. Also it seemed liked the vet was saying it was the force of a person's will that activates the powder, but when Stiles had his "if you believe it you can achieve it" moment I think he did more than what the vet was talking about. I think the vet definitely intended for there to be enough ash to make it around the building. So when Stiles connected that powder I really think it could have been magic. And I, like Price, would totally be okay with Stiles becoming a wizard :)
Reply
Flag
LOL to the Olivander comment. I would so not be okay with Stiles having a wand, just with him having magic. Although I'm certain Dylan O'Brien would manage to make a wand toting Stiles hilarious.
1
Flag
Where's he gonna get a wand? Is Ollivander back in business?
Flag
I don't think the vet was talking about "activating" the mountain ash powder, but that Stiles had to draw the line because werewolves (Derek, Scott, and Isaac) and kanimae couldn't touch the stuff.
Reply
Flag
What does it mean to pull a Bill Forbes? Someone earlier mentioned that Mr Argent looks younger than Mrs Argent. Well the actor who portrays Mr Argent is JR Bourne, and he's actually 42. He is an immortal, apparently, because he's barely aged since he portrayed the Tok'ra Martouf on the series Stargate SG1 in the 90's. He is probably very close to the age of Eaddy Mays, who plays Mrs Argent, but there is no bio information available about her.



Stiles is the coolest cat on this show, far and away. I don't know if he was using magic powder, or if he somehow used magic to close that circle, but I am with Mr Price, I would be pleased to see him go wizard or witch (might help with my Secret Circle withdrawal.)



I also like Derek. I don't think he was ever a bad guy. There seems to be very little gray area for him. He doesn't always make good decisions, but he seems to have good intentions. He's not arrogant, he's pragmatic, and he's looking out for his pack.
Reply
Flag
There have been known men who actually marry older gals. ^^ Aside from that I think the Argents are about the same age. Mrs. Argents stern looks just give the impression of her being older. And then none of the two has had nasty treatments with injections or the likes. They look natural and their age (both being nicely fit and trim). Actually Eaddy looks a lot younger than on her part in "Blindside" when she wore her hair in a grey bob (at least a dozen years younger).
Reply
Flag
Bill Forbes is a character in the Vampire Diaries and when he was killed with vampire blood in his system he began the change and he opted to die rather than live as a vampire.
Reply
Flag
I see, thank you!
Reply
Flag
What does it say about me that the second I saw that look on Mrs. Argent's face I thought "Price is going to make a gif out of this."
Reply
Flag
I watched the promo for next week's episode several times (yes, I'm obsessed) lol It seems that Mr. Argent gives Allison some very bad news about her mom in the hospital. I'm not sure if this means death for her mom, but that would be very okay with me.
Reply
Flag
I know, I leaned toward her being dead too based on the promo (but I also wonder if she and Gerard cooked up a plan to make everyone, even Chris and Alison think that the werewolves killed her so that the two who waver because they actually have some open mindness and compassion would be swayed).
Reply
Flag
Good theory! :) I wouldn't put it past them. They really are evil.
Reply
Flag
Hope you like ramen, they sure know how to make a sad scene funny
Reply
Flag
questions questions questions
Reply
Flag
Finally got to see the episode! Sure I had to deal with some pretty horrid buffering y media docena de comerciales de espanol...(really?) but it was sooo worth it! It was such an incredible episode that did have a season finale or penultimate finale type of feel to it. I mean I didn't care that there were no shirtless men running around...Danny only had five seconds of screentime and Lydia. Poor Lydia is probably still balled up in the fetal position on an abandoned floor in a dilapidated house that should have been demolished half a decade ago, staring at the charred remains of the werewolf dude that is totally wreaking havoc in her pretty little strawberry blonde head. But I didn't care one bit because everything else was so awesome!



Let it be said once again that Colton Hayes does crazy eyes like nobody's business and that kid deserves Emmy recognition. Breakout star if there ever was one. 30 yrs from now when he's getting honored at one of those award shows I hope that his TW performances make it onto his highlights reel. He scared the crap out of me and he's rivaling Mrs. Argent with that...although she ain't going down w/o a fight because the crazy eyes she was shooting through that window gave me chills.



The Vet is easily one of my fave characters. He gives all this sage advice and speaks in riddles and all cryptic and no one knows what the hell it is and it's fifty kinds of awesome. He evades and avoids and skirts around how he has this knowledge and he still manages to sort of mentor these kids.. like freakin' Splinter or something and I love it. And I totally got the impression that the guiadance counselor is related to him too based on how they were speaking to each other and it has me wondering just what on Earth are they supposed to be? How do they have all this knowledge and what is their role in all of this?! TVD needs to take notes because THAT is how you make a character useful.



- I bet if she did choose to die on her own she'd do it in a badass way and not like Bill Forbes. I kept thinking about how Mr.Argent made that speech in season 1 about putting down disease ridden mutts or something like that... Her collapsing in his arms like that was the first time ever I actually remembered that they are in fact married and possibly do love each other.

- In this economy? I'm down to three times a year.

- I think he's just gaining their respect. I LOVED those moments. I don't know if it's that I'm not a hopeless romantic or maybe the hopeless romantic in me gets tied up and locked away by the realist in me, but I like seeing non romantic relationships. Those are the sincerest of moments in any show. So the bonding between Isaac and Scott (that locker scene with Isaac was hilarious) and the sweet moment between them when Scott told him to be careful and Isaac looked as though no one ever expressed that type of concern for him...that touched me.(Isaac rocked it this week. I'll reluctantly admit that. Even though I'm still disappointed with him and Erica I'm more tolerant and sympathetic with them than I was) Or Derek's overwhelming concern for Scott...which has always been there because he's always sort of treated him like a little brother. I loved that. Even Derek's concern for Boyd ( I wonder how much he got paid for uttering two lines?) was something I loved. But I think Team Stilinski took the cake. It got super dusty all of a sudden. I loved them working together in the beginning but the ending with his father losing his job and all...if I were capable of it I would have squeezed out a tear.

- Eh. Doubtful.
More+
Reply
Flag
I actually think Lydia got a download of knowledge at the end of last week's episode and likely has been laying groundwork for whatever happens at her party (kind of looks like there was a huge Kanima attack).
Reply
Flag
1. i think that she will die from the bite or one of the family kills her, this will obvious cause a rift between scott and allison making them break up.

2. i have no idea.

3. i dnt think hes taking over the pack from derek hes just second in command in the wolf pack. plus he said he doesn't want anyone else hurt taking down jackson.

4. this has already been answered above on 1.



Reply
Flag
This show is getting soooo good!!! I'm almost obsessed with it on an unhealthy level. Onto the questions...



1. I think that she'll die seeing as there's this theory that teens have a better chance of surviving the bite than adults in the show and it'd just seem unnatural for her to turn into something that she hates. However, we've all seen how tough she is and how she's a survivor so there's a chance that she'll survive the bite, turn into a werewolf and be more badass than she already is. But if she dies, then I'm sorry for you, Price... :(

2. I can't answer that question since I've never ever gone to a $75 drug-free secret warehouse rave before. And I don't intend to in the future because it's not my scene and I'm not a party person.

3. I think so, but he might not realize that he's doing it since he's naturally dumb. But he might be a good leader because of his morals and righteous personality whereas Derek just expects his pack to be good at everything and teaching them how to survive using 'tough love' methods.

4. I really don't want them to be over. And I refuse to believe that they're over. I don't like Matt since he's really creepy by stalking Allison and taking advantage of her by kissing her during a time when she's vulnerable for his own personal gain. I still think that there's something up with him. I just don't know what yet.



Notes:

- It never occurred to me that the master was dead. And seeing him possessing Jackson was a really surprising moment. Ghosts are really taking over this joint. First with Peter Hale, now with the Master. This makes me wonder about another possible theory. What if Peter IS the master?!

- Again as always, Stiles' scenes with his Dad always continue to blow me away and make my heart melt at the familial affection that's always expressed behind their words to each other.

- Whoa with the reveal of the vet knowing the psychologist! I never thought about the fact that they knew each other and that the psychologist knows about what's going on. But this reveal makes me wonder how they knew each other, what the psychologist's deal is, what the vet's backstory is etc...



All of these surprising revelations, new twists and reveals is really ramping up for the season finale. And now I'm dreading the day when the season finale finishes airing and we'll have to wait until next Summer for Season 3.
More+
Reply
Flag
What a great episode! There was so much going on I'll have to watch it again.

First of all: Stiles tell your dad already! Please! That was awful to watch him informing his son about his (prolongued) leave of absence. I'm totally back to my daddy issues when I watch Teen Wolf. First the Sheriff and then Mr. Argent even if he is a hunter he's a much greater dad than his own (although that doesn't take much, I suppose). What's with grandpa and his pills, anyway? It doesn't look like a heart condition to me more like he's popping (magical?) Tic Tacs.

So who was talking through Jackson? It was a really creepy moment. It reminded me of Star Trek and the Borg. I thought of Peter Hale who was the only one who someone had tried to kill before but good old Peter has to be dead or else Derek wouldn't be alpha.

The chemistry teacher was at the party but it seems kind of too obvious. Too easy. They keep flashing that bumper sticker of his into our faces. Hm.



-Mrs. Argent has lost me with her trying to kill Scott. I hope her transformation is painfull, very painfull! I don't think that she'll have to think about Bill Forbes. Grandpa Argent will be happy to oblige!

-Drug-free for $ 75? Seriously?! It wasn't that expensive with drugs involved!

-Scott really needs to be open to Allison about grandpa and his threat to harm Scott's mother. And if Allison doesn't believe Scott that her mother tried to kill him then she deserves to get the boot from Scott.

Does anyone else feel reminded of Mia Sara watching Allison on screen?

More+
Reply
Flag
is this you Mey? Did you change your username? Or I'm imagining things
Reply
Flag
Answering your questions:

1) I believe that "the bite" for to become werewolf has to be meant to, meaning that the alpha wanted that person to be part of their pack. If its not like that then she totally go all Bill Forbes because she's a badass which would explain Allison's face on the promo.



2) 75$ for my currency it way to much for a rave. Haha I just love that scene and how shameless Scott is by asking Matt for 75$.



3) Scott is lovable and the heroe , Derek is the ruthless leader. I think Scott wouldn't want to take over the pack, more like help Derek get in control of the new pups so they don't rise against him. I guess if they would have to choose, Issac will be the first one to go with Scott after that intense staring! Man I thought I was watching Supernatural for a moment.



4) I think it was Crystal Reed that said Allison would change to a more darker place this season. And I believe we have reach this point. I always thought that they will end the moment Scott became part of Derek's pack, like Derek said he already had a pack (Allison and Stiles), giving in to Derek made somehow a difference in them. What was stable before it became a burden.



I'm loving this show more and more. I'm impress of how tight and nice in a bow it is. I hope it continues this way for the new 24-episode season!
More+
Reply
Flag
why would she not want to kill herself? She hates the wolf
Reply
Flag
Well suicide is for cowards...If you are a badass like Mrs. Argents, you struggle to live at any cost.
Reply
Flag
sometimes and in this instance yeah but again she hates the wolf
Reply
Flag
That's right, but what will Grandpa think about his daugther-in-law becoming a werewolf? Maybe he'll have a little talk wit her and "convince" her to let him kill her.



And please, can we talk about next episode's promo? xD I'm starving for a piece of new brand TW so I want to discuss the promo... specially the Allison-making-out-whit-Jackson part (that bi***)
Reply
Flag
I didn't see that part!!!!!!!!I have to go and find the promo on youtube! I just see Allison crying at the hospital!
Flag
The only way Scott would become the Alpha is to kill Derek. I suppose with werewolves there's no democracy involved so choosing your "master" shouldn't be an option. Though Scott could easily be the second in command, the Beta. I don't think that Scott woul be ready to take over a pack of real werewolves. He's better off training his people skills with his friends.
Reply
Flag
I don't think killing an alpha is the only way to become an alpha. I've kinda been thinking that maybe at some point Derek will just defer his leadership role to Scott. Or maybe some of Derek's pack will change allegiance to Scott and then he will just become an alpha.
Reply
Flag
I wonder, just randomly, how did Laura Hale become the Alpha that Peter needed to kill to become the Alpha.
Reply
Flag
Maybe she became alpha after the fire. Like she was the oldest member of the pack to not get killed. Idk it's just a thought.
Reply
Flag
I don't remember that part of season one that clearly but is it possible that there are born werewolves and made ones? The underlying werewolf mythology of Teen Wolf hasn't been fully explained yet. So the Hale clan could be an "original" werewolf family who pass their traits on to their offspring. Or so I thought.

I just love the fact that TW keeps our heads reeling with questions and in a good way. I haven't had that much fun with a TV series in a long time!
Reply
Flag
I agree, Scott can manage things Derek can't or doesn't want to, which maybe that's another reason he wanted Scott with his pack. Being a werewolf is still relatively new for Scott, so taking a role like Alpha can be too much for him, like you said, he is not ready. But he can be one, just, not now.
Reply
Flag
I think that Scott, while not an Alpha would be good for Derek because Derek didn't turn him and he didn't want to be a werewolf in the first place. So he won't be all slavishly adoring of Derek like the others, whose lives sucked beforehand...
Reply
Flag
I hope Mrs. Argent is gonna be a werewolf coz this way maybe she will understand Scott and she wont be so not-nice with him :D or I dont mind if someone kills her :DD

And, of course Scott and Allison will stay together, they love each other for god's sake :) nothing can undo their true-love <3
Reply
Flag
I love how i went on facebook and MTV sent a link to read this, yay!!
Reply
Flag
I noticed that Peter Hale's grave was being prepared in S2 opener - and now his body is beneath the home. Did Lydia dig him up and place him there?
Reply
Flag
That was Kate Argent's grave.
Reply
Flag
Thanks for the clarification, Kate. I could have sworn I saw a camera shot somewhere of Peter Hale's grave because I thought to myself, "How the heck did he end up beneath the house?" Okay - back to rewatching previous episodes. Good thing I luv me some Teen Wolf.
Reply
Flag
Yeah, me too, I want to recheck it because whatever age she was supposed to be, I wonder if it had anything to do with the murder list now.
Reply
Flag
1) I thought her husband was going to kill her

2) Is it possible to have raves without drugs? Teen Wolf proved so!

3) Friendship Development is key for werewolves so yeah, they might abandon Derek. Alone once again

4) They break up for 2 episodes



Everytime I watch this show, it makes me realize that if The Secret Circle was given a second season, they could take notes from teen wolf and that it shouldn't have been cancelled :'(
Reply
Flag
You're making me depressed now that I'm thinking of TSC...
Reply
Flag
i made myself depressed by writing it
Reply
Flag
LOL the science teacher and his GF!
Reply
Flag
Oh and one more thing....I totally was waiting for the guidance counselor to call the vet dad.
Reply
Flag
omg! same here!
Reply
Flag
Before question responses....basically my theory goes away with this question, how old was Kate Argent? As I wrote that I realize I could probably go back to the first show of the season and look at her grave. I had this thought she was 28, but what if these were classmates of hers who while not at the Hale house, participated in destroying the Hale house with people inside and this whole Kanima thing was like part of Plan B (which might mean Lydia is the master but I am discounting that) or is a Plan C that Peter is not totally aware that is working. Just a thought, it would seem appropriate given that they got a 24 episode third season that they sold the first two seasons as basically one, meaning there is one real bad guy (Peter). I basically narrowed my suspects of the master to Peter, Gerard (he did not appear to be able to pass the barrier and I wonder if those pills are keeping him from decaying because he is basically a zombie), and Lydia. I have a feeling now that Matt is just going to be a red herring for the foreseeable future.



1. It was not looking good for Victoria, and I vaguely suspected that Chris and her had a deal that the other would kill them before they transitioned, but Chris (for the first time I saw them as a couple) has too much love and compassion (anyone else think he actually likes, well not anymore, Derek and actually pulls his punches when they fight, kind of like how Derek kind of does with Scott). I think she would be very fun as a werewolf, but I think Stiles' early season theory that teenagers can handle the transition better is true and she is a goner.



2. I thought raves ended kind of ended around the time I graduated from college in 1999.



3. It a way yes, but I don't think Derek minds (I really thought a quiet line to himself after he thanked the vet was going to be he is the only family I have left) and I have a feeling they are kind of going to lead the pack together in almost a parenting type role, with Scott kind of being the kind ear to listen to and Derek being the rule enforcer and disciplinarian. I think that others outside will see it as a weakness, but it will prove to be a really strong pack as result.



4. For now, I imagine Alison being so upset over her mother she can't even listen to what happened. Like, I imagine that it will be some time before she learns the actually circumstances since I am guessing she won't listen to Scott and Scott tries to keep too much from her (like what he saw Gerard do to the Omega and the knife gut of Gerard) so that it doesn't sound like he is bashing her family. And I doubt she and Derek could face each other anytime soon. What I fear is, for different reasons, Stiles kind of joins the Argent side of things just because of everything that has happened in his real life.
More+
Reply
Flag
1)I don't think you can pull a Bill Forbes when it comes to lycanthropy.The bite either turns you or kills you.It's not up to you.Plus,I refuse to believe that life is that cruel that your favorite character will turn into the character you hate most in this world,Price!

2)Ummm....never?

3)That's just adorable!!!Do you think that Scott will challenge Derek for the leadership of the pack?That would be awesome!Either that or some Scott/Derek love/hate sex.The True Blood writers are denying us Bill/Eric sex.I'm hoping the Teen Wolf writers won't do the same to us!

4)I hope so!!I'm shipping Scott/Isaac and Scott/Derek so hard right now!!
Reply
Flag
Well, you can't elegantly pass on like Bill Forbes dd but you can always wolfsbane vaporizer yourelf
Reply
Flag
I wonder if the Kanimaster might be Jackson's bio-mother: Kanima-Jackson allowed the trailer woman to live once it figured out she was pregnant, reminding Jackson's mother of her death while pregnant with Jackson? According to the Accident Report, the Landmark near the accident-scene was Riley Bridge, which "might" explain Kanima-Jackson's fear of water at the pool-scene.

http://bit.ly/OGckvX <--accident report



Please don't kill off Mrs Argent! She's so delightful to hate, even though I wonder if she's just being protective of her daughter because of Victoria's past, like maybe a broken heart involving a werewolf when she was Allison's age. Chris holding injured Victoria was quite touching, which really surprised me. IIRC, there's something about killing the werewolf that bit a person - before a full moon? - that will prevent the victim from transforming. That would make things interesting, because we don't know which werewolf bit her.



I still want to know the reason Jackson swallowed, then expelled the snake through his eye socket/tear-duct. What happened to that snake? Did slithering through Jackson's body somehow make the snake capable of making another Kanima?
Reply
Flag
We know which one bit her - when she and Derek are fighting up against the wall, and he puts his head down a bit, you can hear the growl and tearing sound of the bite just barely over the music. Scott was still on the ground and too weak to move when Victoria fled the room.
Reply
Flag
So i guess its only me who noticed that Derek never wolfed out and bit mrs. Argent during the fight, and that she was pefectly fine when she tossed Derek to the ground and escaped.



At first i thought something else had bitten Mrs' Argent after she had escaped from Derek. But seeing as noone else thought so, i guess its a huge mistake by the production team. In which case it will be the first thing i disliked about this show.
Reply
Flag
I noticed that too and combined with the fact that when Derek walked in he was nearly knocked over by the smell of wolfsbane. I just wonder if she is faking it and dug into herself somehow (that is not unlike her) because she had failed at her task.
Reply
Flag
No, you're absolutely right, and it IS a question at this point as to who bit her. Here's one scenario: she's a Kanimistress, and she's going to frame Scott as the one who bit her to discredit him when he tells Allison what she did, and then get her husband to finish what she started. But the possibilities are endless. I don't think it's a production mistake; I think it's just another mystery to add to the pile at this point.
Reply
Flag
They couldn't show Derek actually biting Mrs. Argent during the fight or else the ending cliffhanger when it was revealed Victoria was bit wouldn't have had as much impact. Also, during the fight scene Derek let out a roar which implied he shifted for a moment. It wasn't a production error.
Reply
Flag
We've also never seen any real evidence that an alpha HAS to completely wolf-out when biting someone. His eyes, as far as we saw, only went glowy when he chomped Jackson, so there's no proof he has to completely shift.
Reply
Flag
Peter wasn't wolfed out when he bit Lydia in S1. Sure, he has the un-hinged jaw full of teeth, but he was not in his fully wolfed-out (big wolf) form.
Reply
Flag
Plus, during one of the Comic-Con interviews, the showrunners noted that Derek doesn't yet completely "wolf-out" the way Paul Hale did as an Alpha because he's a young Alpha and hasn't grown into all of his Alpha-ness yet (which I think roughly translates to "Hey, do you WANT us to cover up that body? We LIKE having a female audience! And what we don't spend on makeup and CGI to wolf Derek out we can spend on other spiffy stuff! ROFL) So I think right now he mainly gets the glowly eyes, his fangs and claws
1
Reply
Flag
Another really fun episode. I state it every week, but I'll say it again: I absolutely love the pacing of each episode.



I love the screencap you included here of the chemistry teacher and his sad girlfriend. I mean, look at her expression! Haha!



LOL @ Mrs. Argent's weapon of choice. A pot vaporizer... with wolfsbane? Way to make it relevant to teens, show writers!
1
Reply
Flag
The vaporizer was Hilarious!
Reply
Flag
I didn't even know pot vaporizer existed. I remember tales about plastic bottles but that shiny thing is totally new...I have to double check the meaning of it! Maybe it's because I'm not a teen anymore :'(
Reply
Flag
1. really hope she turns, that WOULD change everything, and for the better :))))

2. no, i was at much cheaper not drug-free ones, like back in the nineties when raves were a thing (there are still underground raves ?? who knew..)

3. no, but scott is developing several bromances and romances accidentally and due to his niceness

4. again no, but they won't have it easy - all great loves must have great trials



also, this show is truly great and i so never expected to say that about it :)
Reply
Flag
1) I really hope she turns - that would just make for such a great character dilemma and has a lot of wonderful storytelling possibilities. What would Gramps do with a werewolf daughter-in-law? Would it soften is "kill 'em all" stand any, or would he really risk crossing his son to kill his wife? And as overprotective and scary as she is NOW, imagine a werewolf mama Argent trying to make it clear to Scott that he's to stay away (more for the sex than the werewolf thing, though, if she does turn.) Plus, she'd have a lot of personal conflict to work with - here she finds herself becoming the thing she had dedicated her life to destroying. Will her will to live outweigh her belief that werewolves must be eradicated? So much meaty stuff to work with there. Sure, they could get some tension out of her dying, but I think the possibilities of what happens if she lives provides a LOT more grist for the mill, as they say.



2) Never



3) I kind of got the feeling last week that when Scott said he'd join the pack, but they were going to have to do things HIS way, and Derek accepted it, Scott became - in effect, at least - the Alpha. He's currently leading the pack, setting up the plans, establishing the boundaries of what they're going to do and so forth. The point I'm not clear on is whether they said that when the Alpha calls, the Betas in the pack can hear him or if when a Beta calls, the Alpha can hear him. I remember last season in the episode "Night School," Scott used his growl to call out the Alpha, but at that point, Scott wasn't part of the Alpha's pack - he was still solo, so I don't know if that would be an example of "Beta calls, Alpha hears" or not.



In any event, it seems to me they're definitely heading in the direction of Scott becoming the Alpha, which would be rather cool.



4) Nah, they're not done - at least not for very long. On a show like this, no one is ever dunzo for terribly long if they're the "fated" couple. Of course, this show does have a habit of surprising us, so who can say for sure - I just know I'm looking forward to seeing what comes next :D
More+
Reply
Flag
1. let's someone make it clear to Alison that her dear mum was trying to kill Scott

2. :D

3. he's taking his place as second in command, good cop to Derek's bad cop

4. i would b very annoyed

ps someone tell Lydia, Danny, Sheriff Stilinski and Mrs McCall the truth please! All of it!
Reply
Flag
1). I may be biased, but what I'd LIKE is for her to turn, and then, by the finale, for her to maybe just be like 'This ain't so bad.' Because I IMAGINE the Argent's aren't gonna take this without a fight. So it would just be nice if, in the end, MRS. ARGENT came along and said 'Let's work together', and that cemented the Argents and Derek's pack working together, and they can all be badasses in Season 3+ (24 EPISODES. THAT IS A PLUS.), working against whatever villains they may have to together. Which, againa, perhaps I'm biased, is hopefully going to include super powerful Peter Hale.

2). Never. I just watch them happen on TV. =

3). Taking over, no, but perhaps it will be like how Scott became 'Co-captain' with Jackson last season...he'll be like, co-mentor. Or something. Look, all I want is everyone working together, a'ight?

4). I hope so, but I don't? I mean, I half think it would make for good televison to see them apart for a while, but at the same time, they ARE - apart from Scott's over-protectiveness, which he needs to ditch, because poor Allison - a pretty healthy, fun couple. Not my favorite aspect of the show, but I always expect to groan when they come onscreen, and I don't. They're not always frowning. They're pretty typical teenagers most of the time. They DO, on occasion, work as a team. Allison isn't always a damsel in distress (at least, not if she can help it). And I don't know, they're cute? Not the best part about the show, but the show spents so little time trying to force OTHER romance down our throats that it's like they have even more time to spend wondering how to make that central romance as intriguing as possible. I don't mind either way, but I'm half-hoping they're not done. And half-hoping they are.



Someone else mentioned it, and yes, it looked like Grandpa Argent couldn't cross.



Now, with the whole 'They killed me' thing. I have a lot of half-theories about that, but they're all missing large, large chunks of logic, so I'll just not even go there. But this one...they said that Issac's brother was killed in combat. This is a silly theory, based on nothing more than Issac's dad being killed, but what if the person controlling the Kanima is somehow the son, who DIDN'T die in combat? See, this is what all my theories are like. Stupid. But it's just...the father died, and then...I don't know. I can't wait to be proved wrong, though.



I'm not going to talk about the Stilinski's. Not even going to go there. Bye bye, there. Not going near you.



Also, that ONE moment between Mama and Papa Argent at the end? That was sweet. We've never seen them be a real couple before, so it was rather sudden, but...I don't know. It was nice to see that there IS love there. Mrs. Argent scares then nerve right out of me, but it was still nice.



I LIKE that we're getting more Erica and Issac, but I need MUCH more Boyd. I just love that guy, but this is based on the Doritos scene with Stiles, so I need something more. He just looks like he could be a wonderful character, if handled correctly. So...here's hoping we see more of him soon. They seem to be easing Erica down in some ways, in a pretty natural way, and Issac is sort of starting to learn what it's like to be cared for. So now we need Boyd. Or maybe just me.



I missed Lydia, hopefully next week will be a Lydia-ful week. Also Stiles. Also, Matt's pretty funny, even if I don't fully trust him myself. (Him and Stiles are hilarious when they interact).



I don't personally think Derke was ever going to be a bad guy. He's always had a protective instinct around people, even if it's only very slight. So while it was sweet to see him be a big brother, almost two seasons after telling Scott that they are brothers now...I think we've seen that side of him before. When Deerek Hale isn't beating minors up, he's a pretty okay alpha, is what I'm saying.



Also I love Stiles. Just...putting it out there. It can't not be said. So now it has been. Aaaand I think I'm done.
More+
Reply
Flag
Totally agree with you, hmmm, I will be more than willing to add Isaac to my suspect list (that would be totally like Teen Wolf wouldn't it?). I still feel like there is some Peter collection there (even if it wasn't the fire, he did say he would only be killing people who deserved it when he had Stiles hostage last season, I am wondering if that is the only wrong he is trying to redress). Hey, randomly, how old is Derek? I wonder if anyone has asked him if he knows the victims, it could be that Peter is trying to do something he feels Derek would owe him for when and if he comes back.
Reply
Flag
I never took what Peter said about killing 'the responsible ones' seriously after he killed Kate, because it looked like he was about to kill Allison, which makes no sense, because she hadl iterally nothing to do with that fire. I imagine if he HAD killed Allison, he'd have gone on to kill Chris. And all the Argent's. There's a similarity between him and Gerard there (even though I don't for a second believe that Gerard is only returning to avenge Kate's death, there's something more to it, but still); they both seem to be in the business of hunting not just the people responsible for whatever they've suffered, but anyone LINKED to it, even by default. I was sort of half hoping that wouldn't be so true for Peter, but he definitely didn't look like he was going to to pat Allison on the head and call it a day.
Reply
Flag
I forgot to mention it, too, but I thought seeing Boyd and Derek standing tough together for the Argent crew was pretty awesome. and I would also love more of Boyd.
Reply
Flag
Boyd and Derek are the resident badasses. Issac and Erica like to saunter a whole bunch, but Boyd and Derek are the REAL fighters in that pack. But, and I've said it before, there's something to Boyd that makes him seem like he could be a really quiet, noble type. Someone really strong, and powerful, but led by what is right, even mroe than Scott. I'd love to see that side of him the side that wants to be like Scott. And I hope that wasn't just to do with Scott being on the lacrosse team...
Reply
Flag
Yes. We share the exact same thoughts about Boyd. It's almost like he has a bit of Scott in him and Derek compensates for not having Scott by having Boyd. Because Boyd seems to be Derek's Beta. He doesn't get his hands as dirty and there seems to be some respect there that Derek doesn't necessairly have with Eric and Isaac. He's so intriguing that I'd love a lot more Boyd.
Reply
Flag
Four for you, bluemystique!
Flag
I think the counselor is the vet's daughter. I don't know, but I was totally expecting her to say Dad at the very end.
Reply
Flag
I'm still waiting for a "Mr. Pointy" but some of us hold on too long.
Reply
Flag
HAHAHA Mr. Pointy! Yes. If the show made that allusion, Teen Wolf would officially be the best thing ever.



And I, too, half-expected her to say "Dad." I do love how the show refuses to make these kinds of reveals; it's more natural, in some ways, that two people who know their relationship with one another wouldn't have to say something that identifies it as such when they're the only two around (that is, NOT talking like they're on a tv show).
Reply
Flag
Now, as safibwana reminded me, I totally called the master being from the grave from a latin translation. NOW I see the purpose of my high school latin!

BTW amazing episode. I even watched it twice! I loved the interaction and it all seem so "right" and natural...

1) I think (even if I hope not) that she will die, she won't have a choice...maybe Gerard will come with his pills and save her somehow.

2) I prefer to spend 75$ in clothes...or food...

3) Totally! Even Derek!

4) I think so...when your mother tries to kill your boyfriend and then she is on the verge of death, you have to blame someone...and now Scott is totally in Derek's pack!
Reply
Flag
Did it look to anyone else like grandpa Argent couldn't cross the mountain ash circle? Maybe he is a supernatural creature too and the pills are necessary to keep him from turning?



I was really expecting Mr Argent to kill Mrs Argent after she got bit. First I don't think she would like to be a werewolf and second isn't obligated to do it after grandpa argents speech let's kill them all?

I think Mrs Argent will tell allison that scott did it to separate them and it will work. At least at first. Allison will start hunting with the rest of the argent clan but eventually she will find out the truth and turn on her family. I don't know... isn't that how it always goes?
Reply
Flag
The "That's how it always goes" part is the thing that gives me the most hope that it won't go that way on this show. Yeah, it does fall prey to cliches, but more often than not it seems to find ways to either subvert them or avoid them all together.



With Gramps, his reaction to the ash circle could be read either as his not being able to cross it OR as his being somewhat surprised to see it there and realizing that someone else is hunting the Kanima as well (or hoping it would trap most of the werewolves and make it easier to kill all of them at the same time) but it struck me more like he was nervous about it, like he wouldn't be able to cross it if he were to try. I hadn't figured his pills into the equation yet, but that could be interesting if he is some kind of supernatural, but its being suppressed by some medicine (or herb?) he takes regularly. Whatever the case, I'm pretty sure Gramps is up to something - there's just too much about him that squicky for there not to be.
Reply
Flag
You know what I think they're leading to? I think they're leading to SCOTT being the one to leave Allison. Think about it: he's tried so hard to make things work with them, and her family is so antagonistic about him, and he's starting to lose trust in Allison (whether it's a fair loss of trust or not is debatable, as he's not always honest with her), and now, with her mother trying to kill him, he might be completely pushed away. I think that would be particularly interesting and a smart direction, because it always seems like the supernatural person is dumped by the "normal" and this would be a nice inversion of that.
Reply
Flag
I agree it would be different but I don't think it's possible now that Mrs. Argent got bitten. We'll just have to wait and see.
Reply
Flag
I really almost cried during the scene when sheriff Stilinsky told Stiles he'd been fired. Incredibly well done by both actors!!! Stiles is always so awesome but this episode was even better. And btw Price you are so right about the writers decisions on this show it does make the show so much better and more believable. Actions have consequences it's amazing yay!
2
Reply
Flag
Wow I remember that school councilor for Buffy she doesn't age at all.
Reply
Flag
I loved your use of 'Is it Friday yet?' cracked me up big time! I liked this episode a lot, especially the Stiles/Stiles' dad bits. It was so sad when we found out Mr Stiles had been fired! I was like 'Awwww noooooo!'

- I hope to god she turns, it would put an interesting dilemma into Mr Argent's lap, and also she'd be pretty bad-ass.

- I would never ever pay $75 to go to a rave with everyone from school, where I might get killed by a lizard monster. Then again I don't actually know what $75 is in real money.

- I don't think so, I just think that Scott is being himself, also I don't think he could run that group of werewolves (all those egos!).

- They're almost certainly not over, though this episode forecast trouble ahead, which is to be expected in a show like this. I hope that in their general exploration of relationships they don't always try and imply that Scott and Alison will definitely be together, it can be an overlying thought, but relationship drama gets boring when you KNOW there's only one eventual outcome.
Reply
Flag
Side thought: we know the full moon hasn't come along yet for any of Derek's newbies, but didn't someone say something last season about female wolves turning twice a month? What happened to that - was Erica just locked up in those chains Derek was showing off last week at some point but no one noticed/mentioned it?
Reply
Flag
Yeah, I too thought that was a joke since I really think Peter was trying to soften Stiles up at that point.
Reply
Flag
I thought that was a joke..I don't remembrer the exact words but Stiles was describing Lydia as a werewolf once a month and Peter said that same behavior happens usually once a month to all the woman...
Reply
Flag
I can't believe that completely went over me head haha
Reply
Flag
I believe that was a menstruation joke.
Reply
Flag
i think Mrs. Argent can become a Kanima too. Cuz they reflect what they are and she is EVIL!
Reply
Flag
1) I think that in the ending when she passed out it was the idea that she had died, and since Derek is the one that did it, Mr Argent is going to get some mad revenge. But Mrs. Argent as a werewolf would be awesome too! She's the best actress and would be sad to see her go. Plus the aftermath of loosing her mom would be a lot on Alison, and I don't know if the writers could realistically have her mourn her mother and help with all the supernatural shenanigans simultaneously.

2) Never? I think Matt just meant HE in particular didn't "roll". There really is no such thing as an underground rave in a warehouse minus drugs.

3) Hope so! Because Scotts friends are clearly having more screen time. Like really, I love him and everything, but what is even the point of Boyd? Why is Issac and Erika doing all the cool stuff while Boyd is shafted as Dereks wingman?

4) Don't think they'll ever be done for good, but definitely think the Matt thing will be explained.

LOVED THIS EPISODE :) Can't wait for next week!
Reply
Flag
I also thought maybe Mrs. Argent died, but then I looked it up and see that Eaddy Mays is on the cast list for the rest of this season's episodes. Fingers crossed for wolfing out!!
Reply
Flag
I think Mrs. Argent did that to herself....



I think she had Issac or the girl bite her to frame scott remember her with the kitchen knife cutting herself so she could try to get information off Scott's mom?
Reply
Flag
But why would either Isaac or Erica willingly frame Scott? They may not get along, but they certainly like the Argents much, much less than they like Scott. It wouldn't make sense for them to help her. Besides, it's much more compelling if she has to deal with the possibility of becoming something she hates so much.
Reply
Flag
They wanted the Chimera....
Reply
Flag
Load More Comments

Like TV.com on Facebook