Teen Wolf: Werewolf Witchcraft! (PHOTO RECAP)

Teen Wolf S02E09: "Party Guessed"

One hallmark of a good and properly functioning supernatural serial is the lack of certainty over who lives and who dies. Killing off characters is absolutely essential to maintaining the ever-present threat of death where all the heroes are concerned. The TV character elephant graveyard is littered with the casualties of fan-favorite characters who gave their lives in order to maintain high levels of tension on their respective shows. So yeah, on a good TV serial, nobody is safe.

That being said, WHYYYYYYYYY??!?!?!?! Not Mrs. Argent!! Oh God, oh Lord, make the hurting stop! Mrs. Argent may have departed this plane with a quick stab to the heart, but why does it feel like OUR HEARTS were the ones stabbed? Oh, what a terrible loss, just an awful tragedy. Just when we'd gotten to know TV's weirdest and most intense mom, she had to leave us. Somebody wake up Elton John: We need a new version of "Candle in the Wind"! I'm crying as I type, you guys. Mrs. Argent is no more.

Well, maybe. It turns out the full moon has a laser beam that can resurrect dead people? I don't know! I don't know anything about anything anymore. Mrs. Argent is gone and we have to carry on somehow.

[Sniffle.]

[Sloppy sigh.]

Okay. Let's talk about the episode I guess. It's what Mrs. Argent would've wanted. Here goes. [Trembling chin.]

What was this? Another creepy Lydia-in-the-shower cold open? As it turned out, no, it was actually more like a half-dozen creepy cold opens. Lydia was in for a rough night!

We were definitely in dream territory when Lydia stepped out of the shower and onto the lacrosse field where the audience cheered as Peter Hale approached her and began to re-enact their first meeting together.

Good news: She woke up! Bad news: there was tons of dirt in her bed and then Peter Hale showed up again!

All of this was intercut with him explaining more and more about what was going on. Like how he didn't exist "yet." Also this:

No offense, Peter Hale, but if you are trying to get someone on your team, don't walk around covered in worms. You know? (P.S. did you guys like Peter Hale's quick cameo in The Dark Knight Rises? I know that movie employed 97% of all working actors, but it was still fun to see him up on the big screen. I bet when the actor filmed that part he was like, "Yeah, working on this Christopher Nolan film is fine, but I can't wait to get back to Atlanta to have a bucket of live worms thrown on me.")

Oh but then my favorite part of this dream sequence was how apparently Lydia still hadn't made the connection that Peter Hale had been a werewolf and so he revealed this fact by disappearing from her side, appearing outside the window in Alpha form, and then jumping through the window at her!

Haha Peter Hale was so dramatic. So yeah, I guess now Lydia officially knew that Peter Hale was the same beast that she saw outside the brokedown Blockbuster that one time. Also she knew that she'd have to help Peter Hale do whatever it was he wanted or else all her friends would get killed. And the first thing he wanted was for Lydia to throw a party. That didn't seem so bad, to be honest!

Meanwhile—oh God, I'm tearing up already!—the Argents were dealing with the aftermath of the bite situation. Mr. Argent was clearly of the mind-set that the bite wasn't so bad and maybe a cotton swab and some rubbing alcohol could help prevent an ancient supernatural curse.

Grandpa Argent, meanwhile, went directly into we-gotta-kill-her mode, likening Mrs. Argent to a pulsating cocoon just waiting to transform into a seriously unpleasant-looking butterfly werewolf. Oh man, it was not looking good for her.

Speaking of not looking good (except in the literal sense), we started learning more about Matt, this season's new character that hasn't done a whole lot except take creepy pictures of Allison and resemble Sufjan Stevens. After the rave where he'd tried to kiss her at an inopportune time, he accidentally left his bag in her car and it wasn't long before Allison was flipping through his memory card.

What was on the camera, you ask? You know, just some typical "candid shots" of a girl in her nightgown through her second-story window. NBD.

At this point Matt came back and asked for his camera back and it was totally one of those situations in which Allison knew Matt was up to no good, Matt knew that Allison knew, but they both just had this weird conversation where they pretended everything was normal except that Matt was acting super sinister and Allison was acting scared. Neither of them played it off very well! Get it together, you guys.

Meanwhile the next day was supposed to bring the full moon and Derek found himself with a handful of newborn baby werewolves who as we know don't tend to handle their first transformations all that well. Fortunately he had a bevy of chains and bizarre torture devices with which he'd keep everyone restrained. But still, it did not look like it would be a fun time for anyone.

Most poignant scene of the night: Mrs. Argent attempting to tell Allison that she'd be committing suicide later and Allison totally blowing her off. There was a shot of Mrs. Argent looking all hurt and walking away, then turning around and seeming happy that her daughter was just having fun. A LOT was going on in those ten seconds emotionally. So good.

Meanwhile at the Stilinski residence, the father-son detective duo were in full swing.

While the theory that all the victims had been in the same chemistry class fell through when the rave girl wasn't on the class list, some cursory page flipping in the yearbook showed that they'd all been on the same swim team! Including Isaac's dad, who coached! But let's be honest, the biggest connection these victims had so far was how sloppily their faces had been photoshopped into the team photo. Who was the next to die? Whoever had the least blended shadows on their faces, of course! (I'm a detective.)

Later, people began to arrive for Lydia's birthday party and this happened. Except I got so mad later when we didn't even get to find out what was in that box! Come on, writers, it's called Chekhov's Gun. Get into it.

Even though we'd already seen random partygoers arrive, suddenly the back yard was empty and the main trio decided they needed to be a better friend to Lydia by rounding up more guests. Which allowed Stiles to invite all the friends he'd made at the gay bar (in between getting chased by lizard men, I guess):

Haha I love the girl in the bottom right. What was going ON here? Oh well, this was a funny callback for sure. Except no Danny or Danny's Ex, so :(

Back in Derek's abandoned underground subway car, he was really tightening the screws on Erica! There had been some kind of joke made that because Erica is a lady she can withstand more pain than the fellas, so her restraints would have to be more painful, I guess. I don't know, it did not seem very fun to me, but that's just my opinion.

So, as it turned out, the main thing about Lydia's party was that it involved tons of spiked punch that was laced with some kind of herb that caused everyone to hallucinate their worst fears. It's still unclear to me why Peter Hale would want all the teens to hallucinate their worst fears, so I'm guessing it's because he was just effing with everyone. Werewolf ghosts get bored too!

It kind of looked like there was wolfsbane in the drink, but Scott didn't seem to notice it. Come to think of it, shouldn't Scott have been hecka freaking out over the full moon? Did I miss something? He can behave perfectly normally during a full moon like it's not even a big deal? I don't know, I probably missed something. I sleep A LOT.

Anyway, Matt attempted to—I'm not even sure what he attempted to do. Confront Allison and be a jerk again?

It didn't go over well and it ended with Allison reflexively flipping him onto his back, which was kind of great. What a chump! (What is a chump?)

Except then Allison spotted a mysterious figure carrying a crossbow through the crowd and decided to follow. THAT didn't end well either.

Oh my gosh, it was an Allison doppelganger! Just kidding, it was just a hallucination. It turned out ALL the kids would have hallucinations, but Allison's was the best because it seemed to foreshadow a big shift in Allison's mentality. Basically the hooded crossbow-wielding version of Allison found the normal Allison to be disgustingly weak. Oooh, I REALLY wouldn't mind seeing this new Allison take over for a bit, you know? I liked her.

Stiles' hallucination involved his dad, fresh from attending Stiles' mom's funeral, drunkenly accusing Stiles of having killed his mother and being a terrible son. It was pretty over the top, if you ask me. I mean shouldn't it have been at least HALFWAY believable to Stiles that his dad would behave like that? Stiles' dad is the best! Stiles seemed pretty bummed though.

Then it was Scott's turn:

Haha Scott did NOT like to see Allison making out with that Kanima. It was not sexy or fun for him. Quick question: Do you think that particular matchup would find a more receptive audience in Japan?

Then Jackson's birth parents showed up looking pretty normal.

Then Jackson's face went away and THIS SHOW REALLY CROSSED THE LINE. Leave Jackson's face alone!

Oh, but then.

But then.

It was time for Mrs. Argent to go. First of all, you have to really respect a woman who foregoes prescription sleeping pills in favor of an enormous knife. Also I loved that she decided to get stabbed through the heart on Allison's BED (in order to "be closer" to her or whatever). I didn't see Mr. Argent laying out any tarps or anything, so I'm not sure about the logistics of this final moment, but still. It was a real heartbreaker.

Just as Mrs. Argent's eyes gave off that trademark werewolf glow, Mr. Argent stabbed his wife of 20 years and wept over her body.

So good. The acting was seriously so good here. If we HAD to lose Mrs. Argent, at least her death was dramatic and memorable. But I definitely have a nagging suspicion that her death wasn't necessarily permanent. You know? Like if she was werewolf enough to having glowing eyes, then wasn't she werewolf enough to not be killed via stabbing? Also, something would happen later that suggested werewolves know witchcraft, so... Fingers-crossed! Until then, rest in peace, you butt-kicking firecracker.

Needless to say, Allison didn't take the news quite as well:

You know I love a good crier, and Crystal Reed was superb here. I loved that this episode did not sidestep how insane the circumstances of Mrs. Argent's "suicide" was. Allison seemed genuinely confused as much as shocked, and it just rang true. I have a feeling Allison will be finding out the truth about her mother's death soon enough and that pretty soon Derek will be dealing with the hooded version of Allison from the party.

At some point all of Lydia's partygoers were super high on nightmare punch and Matt got thrown in the pool. That's when it became clear that he couldn't swim! And then Jackson helped him out of the water like a proper servant. That's when Stiles and Scott did some quick math...

That's right...

Haha wow! Matt was the undead Kanima master who'd been "killed" by a swim team in 2006! I will say this, as much as Matt was always a top candidate for Kanima master, I still felt like this was a genuinely surprising reveal. Obviously I still have tons of questions about some of Matt's other unresolved details (Why the pictures of Allison? Why the chemistry teacher's car? WAS he still dead?). But I'm definitely cool with this twist. Well done!

Meanwhile at the height of the episode's insanity, Erica and Boyd busted loose from their chains and attacked Derek. (Guy, maybe rusty and/or loose railings on a subway car aren't the most secure?) After it nearly looked like they'd overpower him, Isaac came to the rescue and helped subdue them. it turned out Isaac had been able to stay in control of his faculties after Derek had advised him to focus on some kind of mental anchor—In this case, Isaac focused on his dad from before the dad turned into a maniac. It worked! But this was a nice little scene between the two of them, for sure. Derek is the best big bro.

Shortly after locking everybody up again, Derek's night took a turn for the annoying:

LYDIA!! Nobody likes a handful of purple powder blown in their face!

Next thing Derek knew, Lydia was dragging him back to his OLD lair (did he ever get his security deposit back?) where she placed his hand in the outstretched arm of Peter Hale's corpse, then used a series of mirrors to reflect a moon laser into Peter's resting place. And before we knew it...

Peter was back! And Derek had seemingly lost his alpha status. And now we knew that werewolves use witchcraft! Or something. Who even knows or cares? It was just a good turn of events. FINALLY the Peter Hale ghost can be a Peter Hale MAN again.

So, um. I can't believe this is happening but there are only THREE episodes left of this season. Don't ask me if I'll be okay after they're over because the answer is NO. Why can't this show be on every week forever? Is that so much to ask? But yeah, I liked this episode NO DUH. I miss Mrs. Argent already, but after Peter's resurrection I'm holding out hope we might see her again. Or barring that, I'd settle for Eaddy Mays appearing on every show ever from now on, but especially American Horror Story. Maybe she can play Chris Zylka's mom in Season 2. Or if it's too late for that, maybe Season 3 can just be Jessica Lange and Eaddy Mays standing in a kitchen tossing off one-liners at each other? Oh man, a fella can dream.

GOOD DAY.


QUESTIONS:

... Did you predict that Matt was controlling the Kanima?

... Will her mother's death change Allison for the better?

... Do you wish Derek was your cool older bro?

... Is Mrs. Argent gone for good?

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Ok, i'm way late commenting on this episode. But i just started the series a few weeks ago, and just watched this episode. Wow this show keep ramping up the tension. To answer your questions:

... Did you predict that Matt was controlling the Kanima?: I believed it was Matt or Gerard.

... Will her mother's death change Allison for the better?: I sure hope so. She's pretty and all, but that's just about it. Though she has shown signs of becoming a badass. On a side note, Allison's hospital scene was very powerful. The last time i saw a scene like that, was when Dawn on Buffy The Vampire Slayer, was told her mother died.

... Do you wish Derek was your cool older bro?: Derek is cool, but as the oldest of three, i'd say no. Cool younger brother though...

... Is Mrs. Argent gone for good?: Most likely, though death on Teen Wolfseems about as permanent as it's on American Horror Story: Coven.

...Why the chemistry teacher's car?: The first time we saw the car at a murder scene, it had several bumper stickers. One was Nobama, another was a Wiccan one. The chem teacher didn't have those on his car. So i knew the chem teacher was not controlling the Kanima. The chem teacher is probably just, your garden variety a-hole.


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Sorry, the first time we saw the Kanima controller's car. Not the first time at a murder scene.
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I thought he might be

Perhaps, but it will still be hard

Yeah sure

I doubt it and hope not
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I liked the mom, but truth is, I was more sad for Derek.
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Price I think when someone is stabbed directly in the heart that stops blood flow pretty quickly. And if they left the knife in, where would the blood bleed out of? I actually think Alison's room didn't need any tarps. She might need like a new comforter for her bed though.
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I'm going to be optimistic and think that Mom planned for the inevitable and chose to wear Depends.
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this is really heartbreaking episode...... Farewell ms. ArgenT!!
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The impression I had was that something happened with the swim team and someone died and after that, Isaac's dad turned abusive, and the Kanima was created and the dead someone (ghost inside matt?) started controlling it... and so on, and so forth...

As for Derek, NO SANE PERSON would want him as a brother, come on! If you are a heterossexual girl or a ***ssexual man, just nod. If you are not and there could be anything with the power to change your mind, it is Derek without a shirt (no disrespect meant to anyone).

I think Hoechlin (and anyone with an eye will agree) has so much untapped sensual potential and it seems so weird for MTV to overlook it. It is all so veiled and brief, it just leaves us wanting more... But then again, they are trying to maintain it "teen appropriate", I would guess.
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There's been A LOT of unresolved sexual tension between him and Erica but I doubt they'd ever go anywhere with that.
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The problem is that they don't seem to be going anywhere with Derek... It is all fine to have the sexually charged scenes with the central couple, but come on! Just look at Derek!
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Am I the only one who doesn't really mind? I mean, this may be the only teen show that has focused specifically on only ONE COUPLE in it's first two seasons. It had Jackson and Lydia, but that was done before season 1 even ended. Stiles ha a crush on Lydia. Erica MAY OR MAY NOT have a crush on Stiles. And yet they don't focus on these things because PLOT. Scott and Allison are the only actual couple that has had focus on it at some point in every episode the entire show. I don't know, I mean obviously Derek logically SHOULDN'T be without a girl by the end of next season, I'm pretty okay with this show not forcing romance on us all the time. I know that's not exactly the point that was made, but I was thinking about it today and saw an opening and I WENT for it and sorry I'll go now.
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I don't think Derek is without a girl. I think Derek is with a different girl every night and that will continue throughout the rest of his twenties (as it should). I don't see any reason they should saddle him with a girlfriend in season 3 or any other season.
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The scene between creepy Matt and Allison was so VERY tense! It's scenes like that one that hooked me into TW in season 1, when the story was still kinda weak, but the scenes were so awesome. Now in season 2, the writers have caught up with the director.



Mrs Argent choosing to end her life in her daughter's room, OMG, OMG, OMG! Sure, it will mentally mess Allison up forever, but will also push Allison over the edge, to become a super-Hunter. Well done Mama Argent - hope to see you again!
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Holy crap what a trip!

Questions:

1. I was convinced something was up, he was so creepy and Stiles was so right he was the kanimas master and completely evil.

2. Um probz not for her mentally. But I am really looking forward to badass Alison.

3. In a related way no, that would make our love a future children a little disturbing.

4. I hope so. It would be stupid to bring back Peter Hale, have Matt be some kind of undead thing and bring back Mrs Argent. Keep her dead I'm fine with that it would also take away the catalyst for Alison's transformation.

Side note, um I got super sad when former sherriff Stilinski hallucination got all up in Stiles' business in a depressing way.

Lydia was crazy

Scott is still a moron

Cant wait til next week.
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Naaaah, I think she'll be back. But if she doesn't, it's Bill Forbes all over again....



LOL @ the Japanese movie reference. Perhaps one day you should recap one of those classics?



- Yes

- No!

- That'd be incest.

- I don't think so!
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The writers said she won't be back :/
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This sucks D:
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Okay guys....I have something to tell you about mama Argent but do not look if you don't want to find out...





































































The writers said she is INDEED very much dead. :(
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It's sad, but it's storywise right! You can't kill and resurrect characters all the time! RIP Mrs. Argent!
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1] Yes i saw it coming but i still have doubts, cause i want a kick below belt :D and to be it other even i saw in last ep otherwise.



2]Yes, she will hate werewolf's



3]Yes



4]She is not dead, she will resurrect , since its full strong moon and her eyes already turned yellow , right 0.5 second before stab , so yaa we will see her again ans she be crazy :D
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Hey Isaac! Your Alpha just got drugged 3 steps away from you. I guess the trouble bond doesn't work in reverse. Was that one handcuff to the rickety poll really too much to overcome?
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Excellent point! More evidence of a sloppy production job. C'mon Teen Wolf - you are better than this!
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I just guessed either a) Lydia had enough wolfsbane that she just turned and blew the rest in his face or b) like she can bring Jackson back to himself, when she touches a wolf she can compel him and Isaac actually lugged Derek to the Hale house.
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Derek never howled, and was too out of it (I guess) when Lydia was dragging him around to do so. In the past, the werewolves have only been able to sense that others are in danger if they hear the howl.
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Exactly, Isaac was basically in an trace once he got his "anchor" and Lydia blew dust in Derek's face, she didn't throw an grenade,shoot him, or do anything else that would make serious noise.
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Something about Scott's hallucination that I believe rings true. It's more than him fearing he loses Allison. I read this from a commenter on IMDb:



"Just my two cents:



I think it was more than that. Think of the earlier conversation between Derek and Isaac about anchors. While it was an important character building moment for Isaac, I think it was also a little bit of a throwback to Scott and Allison, and Allison being Scott's anchor that keeps him human. She's the reason he was able to be at the party without going insane.



He is losing Allison, bit by bit. As goofy as he can be sometimes, Scott isn't stupid. He subconsciously recognizes that Allison is from a family of hunters, and while he trusts her, that trust was shaken during the night of the rave. She is torn between loyalty to her family and loyalty to Scott.



Without Allison, Scott is right back where he started: a danger to his family and friends. And immediately after he see's her making out with Jackson--with the enemy--he begins to lose control.



In short, I think his hallucination was to illustrate Scott being just as afraid of losing control as he is of losing Allison. "
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I really interpreted that scene a lot differently. For me the part of the scene that is most significant is that Scott didn't start to "wolf out" until Jackson turned into the Kenima. If you watch Scott is trying to shake himself out his drug haze all the way through the hallucination and it's not until Alison is potentially in danger that he starts to "wolf out". Even with the drugging and the full moon Scott never truly lost control. I think even if Scott does break up with Alison it's possible his love for her could still be his anchor.
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I agree. Scott's hallucination would seem pretty lightweight compared to the others without this insight. And the writers seem better than that, to waste that opportunity to give a new character insight, especially since they went pretty deep with everyone else's.
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That is sort of connected to my idea that the wolfbane was attacking Scott's anchor that he found to connect himself to his humanity during the full moon that Derek reference in talking to Isaac and because he is only 16, he assumes that Alison and his relationship to her is what he hold onto, but it I bet it is actually just the emotion of love and either his mother or Stiles is going to pull him through the next one.
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Someone mentioned this way below in the comment! I think it's a very interesting point of view!
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What an episode!! Anyway, questions:

1. If I predicted that Matt was the master? Nope, don't you know Price? I don't predict anything or even think anymore. I just watch and enjoy. But seriously, first I thought that Matt was the kanima, which he wasn't. And then I guessed that Grandpa Argent was the master, But now my brain has given up.

2. No, I'm afraid that Allison will just ... break. She is going to get her revenge (watch out, Derek!) and just don't give a f anymore. Even Scott will have to look out.

3. Absolutely not. Things would be weird and illegal then.

4. Maybe, maybe not.
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I just realized that I didn't fully answer your questions:



-Yes, but like I said in my previous comment: I dismissed the idea early on thinking it would be the more predictable science teacher.

-Depends on your definition of better. If you think dark Allison is better then yes.

-Totally!

-I certainly hope so.. Yet after seeing 1% of human in her as she was dying I am slowly changing my mind.
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1) I knew that Matt would play a big role in all of it but not as the Kanima puppetier.

2)Yes it most deffinately will because she says it for next weeks sneak peak.

3)Hell yeah I wish Derek was my older brother so he can get me in shape as much as he is in and he is awesome the best werewolf along with Lucion from Underworld.

4) Lets hope she is not gone for good because she was a badass who made it really thrilling and made for a awesome antagonist.

It sucks that Derek is not the Alpha anymore but maybe Peter can lead the pack to greatness. Having Peter get back is unbelievable he is awesome my favorite character aside from Derek and Boyd. I just hope nothing bad happens to Derek and if Alisson does anything make sure she knows why he did what he did to save her BoYfRiEnD/Beta......... Argents want Derek:/ He survived psycho Kate lets hope he does the same with Gerard...
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1) No I didn't. I know we've seen evidence that it's him in this episode, but are you really sure?

2) Mrs. Argent's death will definitely change Allison... can't say if it's for the better or worse, but I can guarantee you that she won't be taking crap from anyone anymore and will go full hunter mode

3) Of course! Derek would be an awesome addition to my crazed family :D

4) Yes. It's the only way they can get Allison to commit to being a werewolf hunter.
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What? You think him standing there after the party got broken up with the Kanima's tail basically wrapped around him and him giving Scott the death stare after the way Scott and Stiles looked at him after he nearly drowned in the pool (remember, they established the Kanima's master probably can't swim) wasn't proof enough? The show practically screamed, "MATT IS THE KANIMA'S MASTER!"
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IMHO the pool incident was relevant because the pool was 1mt deep, so you cannot be scared to drown in a pool where you can easily stand! So it was the fear of water, not really the inability to swim. So maybe Matt could have been indeed on the swim team and then have been traumatized by something....Just random ideas...
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Well, it kind of looked like he was in the pool's deep end (plenty of home pools have 8 foot deep portions), and I'm not sure what the point of that scene--especially with Jackson helping him out of the water (which normal Jackson probably would never have done--would have been except to establish that Matt was, in fact, Mr. Kanima Master (especially since the promos said that in the episode the Kanima's master would be revealed; seemed like a pretty convincing reveal to me).
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I'm actually mad at myself that I couldn't shed a tear for Mrs. Argent. By far the quickest I've ever gotten attached to a character and then to have her taken away was (**sniffle**) awful.

On a happier note though I loved the addition of the drag queens, hilarious. Also not to get all preachy but I really like that MTV has no qualms about having two guys making out on screen. Granted they were in the background of the scene but that's still cool.
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I might be in a minority here but i love the fact that peters back... He was an awesome Big Bad. Everything else has pretty much been said. is it monday yet ?
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Yeah Peter Hale is awesome and with him back in the picture as strong as he is he will destroy the Kanima and Gerard but maybe he can save Jackson.
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I'm definitely glad he's back. I just hope his back-from-the-dead thing is a one off. It would be annoying to see this become a show where people always come back to life. But SO glad for more Ian Bohen.
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I agree.. If its done right ( i think it was ) it can be awesome. You just cant bring someone back to life like every other episode. As long as it doesnt mess with the shows pace ( with to many bad guys ) then im all for it. We finally found out who the alpha was ( last season ) then like 2 more episodes then he was dead.I think it was alittle premature to kill him off like that but then again in a finale you kinda need a big death. If he didnt play the part so good i wouldnt have care but that guy KNOWS how to play a Big Bad. Reminds me of Mark Pelligrino from Supernatual. Some guys were made just to play the Villain., Hes one of them. For instance the picture that says tee hee with that grin.....Crazy!!!
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Mark is SO good in those roles. Especially when he's being snarky. So good.

Peter definitely died too soon. We need a bit more of him before saying goodbye. I had a feeling he'd be coming back from the second they showed new footage with the actor...most shows wouldn't bother bringing him back if the character weren't going to be brought back in some significant way. If they weren't going to have a bringing-him-back-to-life storyline, they probably would have just used flashbacks. I'm just glad he's back, but you said it, it only works if it's done right.
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Yeah love Mark Pellegrino. He's great in everything, including Lost where he was playing against his usual type of roles...but he was the perfect Lucifer. Great combination of snarky, scary, mischievous, intimidating, & sexy. I also thought it was cool how he was playing at nearly the same time the epitome of light on Lost & the epitome of dark on Supernatural.
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Okay, maybe this was just me, but was the scariest scene to anyone else the scene when Matt returned to the car to get his bag...I was all prepared to be totally creeped out by him for any reason, but, the expression on his face, the way they lit him at that point, I was actually scared of him. Like scary movie yelling at Alison to just drive away already!! And then I was irritated, like, come on, we have to worry about regular human monsters too? I thought killing Isaac's dad took care of that problem.

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I agree. That was a brilliant scene. And masking the sound of his voice when he demanded that Allison open the door was genius!
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I AGREE. He scared me half to death. Stephen Lunsford goes from charismatic funny guy to scary-ass mo fo in 0.2 seconds. Kudos to him for that.
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I don't think Teen Wolf is necessarily 'off track'. It's just adapting. Jeff Davis has himself stated that many - if not all - the story threads for Season 2 were set up way back when they were working on season 1. If you think about it, season 2 is basically just a continuation of the same story in season 1, it's just that season 1 only really HINTED at what was to come. The show hasn't gone off track, it's just...picked up speed. If we're sticking with train metaphors, here.
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I agree with some of what you've said here, but a bit of it doesn't seem accurate.



For example, if you see the newspaper Mrs. Argent is looking at in the season one finale, Kate had been pinned for the murders that Peter--the alpha--committed in his quest for revenge, rather than just the arson case, so Mrs. Argent was referring to those crimes. While we're on Peter, it's become fairly clear that he's kind of, you know, psychotic--he wanted to kill Allison, even though she hadn't done anything to him or his family, so it's fairly safe to say he wants to hurt more people than those (Kate et. al.) directly responsible for the fire.



I disagree about the good/evil black-and-white idea. It becomes much more interesting when it's hard to pin down who is good or evil. As you seem to be implying, it's certainly easy to screw up that kind of philosophical inquiry in a tv show, but to abandon it altogether seems problematic. I like what's going on with Jackson and the werewolves and the moral battle being fought with the hunters in terms of whether werewolves are good or evil, depending on their behavior. I don't want simple answers, because that waters down the complexity of the conflicts.



I think the story has remained relatively realistic. This show operates in a world where werewolves exist, and they haven't bashed us too much over the head with mystical "mumbo jumbo," but I think it's fair for them to start introducing new material. Otherwise, things get stale and repetitive.



I do agree, though, that the stakes of Allison and Scott's relationship have been reduced in this season, but I have a feeling that in the next few episodes we'll see something of a return to that (at least I'm hoping).



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Top 10 Things Teen Wolf can do to get back on Track:



1] Season 1 was fantastic because we really felt Scott's struggle to control the BEAST within as it was something to be tamed, and definitely something to be kept secret. In Season 2, receiving the bite has become akin to joining the popular crowd. It's now difficult to understand why anyone would refuse the bite although Kanima Jackson certainly serves as a cautionary tale!



2] Enough with the supernatural mumbo jumbo. Okay, I can go with the idea that Lydia somehow magically transported Derek to the house in the woods, and hung out in the woods for a few days while naked; and that Matt is somehow the Kanima master and was well positioned to assume control of Jackson just at the right time, etc. But come on! The reason many of us loved Season 1 so much was because much of the story was so in your face "realistic." Scott actually had to get about town riding his bicycle. Now, he just pops up where needed, fashionably dressed, hair and makeup perfect as always, occasionally baring his wolf fangs whenever he feels like it.



3] Give us a romance to actually care about. The importance of Allison and Scott staying together has been significantly diminished. Maybe have Allison suddenly become a Teen mom with a lot suddenly at stake by keeping the baby a secret and making things work out with her Baby Daddy? Ok, just kidding. But like any great adventure, we need great romance. Perhaps, Stiles and Derek can finally take the road less traveled. The chemistry between these two actors/characters is undeniable.



4] When something doesn't happen within a scene that should have happen give us a good reason why it didn't happen. You don't have to spell out everything, but when Stiles brings a gigantic gift to a party, and makes such a hilarious display of banging it through the door, it would be nice to know what was in the box. ALSO if Jackson returned to school after Grandpa Nasty said the Kanima must be taking out at all costs where was Grandpa Nasty while Jackson was in school, and rudely telling Lydia that she didn't want him there. Cameras not working or what? AND then Jackson shows up at the party anyway. Why? Surely, there were other members of the swim team to hunt down and kill on that night.



5] Mrs. Argent exclaimed in an earlier episode that Kate shouldn't be the one to take the blame for the arson case. But Kate seemed to acknowledge that she was in fact responsible. So what's the deal here? And what is motivating Peter Hale to go on killing? Yes, we don't need or want to know everything, but in Season 1, motivations were kept clear even if we didn't fully understand them. Now, it seems everything is up for grabs. I just get the feeling that the writers were caught by surprise with how popular Teen Wolf would become and were unprepared to tell the story beyond the ending of Season 1.



6] Quite blurring the line between what is considered good and what is considered evil. Star Wars began its downhill slide when they removed Vader's helmet and portrayed him as a kindly old man who had simply chosen the wrong path. Excuse me, Vader killed millions and slaughtered children and now, just because he's weak, we're supposed to love him. I think not. I know Kanima Jackson is supposed to be "under control" by a malevolent force, but that Kanima shit ain't cool and Jackson needs to show some internal conflict with having been turned into such an instrument of evil. In other words, why is someone like Jackson even worth saving? Especially, when Mrs. Argent can be killed off so quickly. And are werewolves good, or evil? Derek and Scott both seem pretty cool. So again, why all the fuss over becoming a wolf?



7] Lydia should become a wolf she would be AWESOME!



8] Decide if the story is going to take place in a small town or a big city. You can't have both. It just weakens the story's structure.



9] I'm tired of the Vet just showing up to play "yoda" when someone is hurt or injured. The good doctor seems to know everything. It's time to have him put some skin in the game.



10] And finally, the writers just need to stop being lazy. I know success if great and you're not as hungry to prove yourself as you were in the beginning. And I'm sure you're probably dealing with egos and folks wanting more time on screen when maybe they really don't need to be in a scene at all. But fight hard to stay true to the integrity of the story. True Blood should have ended with Season 2. I hope not to say the same of Teen Wolf.

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I understand what you're saying about blurring the line between good & evil. While I agree completely with what builddam2005 said below-- I love the thematic richness & the layers it adds to characters and think that's what rings true-- I also think it's sometimes interesting to have villains that are clearly evil. That's part of what made The Terminator so good...the relentless pursuit of the hero & the certainty that he would kill. He did not care about moral ambiguity or grey areas, he was going to kill no matter what. Also the Borg in ST:TNG...what made them so frightening is again that they were RELENTLESS...there was no reasoning with them or appealing to their sense of right & wrong, they were coming after Earth no matter what. I loved their episodes because they were so intimidating & badass. But the second they introduced Hugh & the moral ambiguity into them they just simply were not as scary. I felt it diluted the very thing that made them good villains. I still enjoyed the intellectual debate of their story thereafter, and it can be argued that there's only so many stories you can write about that type of villain, but I missed the suspense they originally brought.



Perhaps the difference lies in the futuristic races that are not 100% human, or the fact that it's a race as opposed to an individual. Because it would be much harder to believe a human in that role because we are not that simple. When I see an individual portrayed as pure evil it often doesn't ring true. Even Lucifer on Supernatural was given layers & had his reasons that he considered justified and he's supposed to be the evilest of the evil and that rang true, at least for me. And Teen Wolf is such a character driven show that I'm not sure it would be appropriate to have that type of villain. The layers they give their characters are this show's strength.
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I agree with DeDeeMeza.. Sourceenergy are we watching the same show?
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I feel like I could NOT disagree with your opinion more:

1) Scott struggled because he didn't have anyone there to constantly show him how to be a werewolf. Derek is there with his new pack and they CHOSE to become that. Scott had no idea what was happening. That's why the experiences differ.



2) REALLY?!?!? you're upset because there aren't more scenes of Scott taking the I-90 to get around. He borrows his mother's car they clear state that.



3) The Scott and Allison romance has to be downplayed for the writers to make it something grand later.



4) I don't think, given all of the cameras, that Gerard had much chance to just murder Jackson at school. The administration would severely frown upon that.



5) PETER DIDN'T WANT TO DIE!!! That's why he came back. If given the opportunity to NOT BE DEAD anymore do you think people wouldn't take it?



6) A good show should make you think. Blurring the line and showing that good and evil aren't black and white is a GREAT attribute.



7) No.



8) You were just complaining that you don't see Scott drive anymore. Teens are allowed to leave the city limits to do things.



9) NOOOOO keep the vet mysterious if they show all of their cards early on they have nothing new to play with later.



10) I honestly do not know a single person who has not LOVED this season. It is as good as, if not better, than season 1. It is presented differently, but that does not mean it is bad it just means you need to look at it a different way.
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Always appreciate the feedback - thanks for reading. I LOVE Teen Wolf. I just have been having some issues with it because it seems like with success, the story has been getting sloppy.



1) Yes, Scott struggled because he was essentially alone (yes, there was Stiles, but he is such a lovable goofball) throughout his adaptation to becoming a wolf. You make a valid point. But my point is that it seems like becoming a werewolf is suddenly the ideal. In other words, if it can be controlled, what's the big deal. Why did Mrs. Argent have to off herself as she could have been the ultimate offensive weapon.



2) LOL - I'm not upset that Scott is no longer on the bike. Just disappointed that the characters now seem more polished - as if they are always showing up just in time for a video shoot. I miss the "messy."



3) Scott and Allison have become boring. This needs to be fixed. At this point do we even care if they break up?



4) Granpa Nasty had no problem showing up outside the hospital to stab Scott in the gut. Seems to me he would have had multiple opportunities to do the same to Jackson. Why didn't he? Hmmmm....



5) If everyone has a chance to come back from the DEAD - are we going to care if they get killed. I'm just waiting for Mrs. Argent to pop up in the next episode with nothing more than a bad headache. Let's have some rules here. And if you break them, give a good explanation as to why.



6) Blurring the lines between Good and Evil dilutes the overall effectiveness of the story. Give me a Hero or Heroine for whom to cheer. Is Peter Hale a bad guy? Is the Kanima evil? Is Matt evil? Why do the Argents feel it is so important to destroy wolves - but they were willing to let Scott live until he started b---ing their daughter?



7) C'mon, Lydia would be the ultimate bad ass as a Wolf. I love her!



8) My understanding from Season 1 was that this story takes place in a small town. As Price has pointed out, the story takes place in a big city AND a small town. You can't have both.



9) Okay. Fair enough. Keep the vet mysterious. But if he's gonna play it like yoda, a brotha needs to step up his game.



10) I love Season 2 - but Season 1 shall always be my first love. When people first fall in love its because both parties are paying attention to AND taking care of the details. Like Scott and Allison's romance, I fear the writers are being a little fast and loose with the truth - and we, the audience, are a little too willing to just let things slide for the sake of keeping the peace. I mean, come on - how the frick did Lydia get Derek to the house? What was in the big box Stiles brought to the party? And why did Danny not get invited to the party along with his fellow gays? And why did Scott burst from the locked freezer to eventually stand peacefully beside Allison and stare after the Kanima? I thought when the moon becomes full - the werewolf within becomes a KILLER!
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1) I wouldn't call it cool to be a werewolf (it hurts a lot and makes oneself a target for hunters). Derek picked his pack specifically selecting teenagers in trouble. From their point of view becoming a powerful creature of the night surely sounds like the perfect solution instead of getting beat up, having seizures and being a loner.



2) Perhaps they hired more make-up-assistants having had such a good run the first season. I don't think they look too polished but nice enough. You could argue that Scott being in love for the first time wants to look good. After all, the both of them have to settle for longing looks while attending school. ^^



3) I do care about Scott and Allison and I'm sure not the only one. Somehow their relationship was doomed after Scott getting to know that the Argents are hunters. I think it's interesting to watch how the two of them will overcome the obstacle of them belonging to different sides.



4) Derek slit the Kanima's throat and it hadn't much effect on it. Grandpa surely knows that. Furthermore the knife to the gut wasn't an attack on Scott's life, it was a warning. The Kanima would simply laugh off such kind of wound and then have Grandpa for dinner.



5) How is everyone coming back from the dead? So far we don't even know if Peter was DEAD in the first place! After all he survived really gruesome burns after the fire which killed almost his whole family.



6) Well, that's a reflection of life. There isn't always a simple choice between black and white. If Jackson is being mind-controlled then no, he is not evil! As for the hunters they don't seem to be all on the same page. Gramps is an old-schooler (or more like a Nazi hunter) and Kate was with him. Chris Argent prefers to work by the Code. As far as I remember the hunters only acted when a werewolf lost control and started attacking innocent people. Chris acknowledged that Scott had been bitten by accident and not by choice. But as a father I can relate to his aversion of having his daughter dating a werewolf (which in his eyes surely makes for a ticking timebomb).



7) I don't think that she would ever choose to become a werewolf after all she went through with Peter. And then she is immune to the werewolf bite.



8) Seriously? That's your only down side? So the kids drive to the next big town in their parents' cars. What's the big deal?



9) I like the vet as it is. The show doesn't have to reveal all its secrets at once. It has proven time and again that the revelation will be worth their while when they finally come.



10) No, when the werewolf changes he has to have some kind of control to keep himself to giving into his hunting impulses or else Derek would have been on a killing spree from the start (in this episode Isaac proved that he had that kind of control). The only wolf who killed people was Peter and to be fair, he surely wasn't in a right state of mind after almost having been fried crispy.

Werewolves CAN be dangerous but most of them do not attack people randomly. For example Scott proved in the first season that he didn't give in to his beastly urges even when he was being influenced by the Alpha who really tried to turn him bad, remember?

Hunters seemed to me like some kind of supernatural police but now with Grandpa in town they seemed to have gone rogue and for me that's as dangerous as a werewolf on the loose.





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At the very least we're seeing that werewolves deal with the full moon in different ways. For Scott, Allison clearly calms him down (see: season one when she grabbed his hand in class), and even her mere presence when he burst out of the freezer--which he did because he thought she was in trouble--seems to ground him. Similarly, Isaac was able to ground himself while the other two weren't (now, I'm not sure why Derek didn't at least TELL Erica and Boyd about finding an anchor. Couldn't have hurt, could it?).



I do agree that the characters seem somewhat more polished now, and I'd attribute that to the show having a bigger budget. It doesn't really bother me aesthetically, but I can understand how it might.



I'm with DeDee about the good/evil thing. Scott is obviously our hero, but if the hero is always right and never wrong, and the "bad guys" are always wrong and never have any good in them, things get too diluted and boring for me. I want to have a tough moral dilemma when it comes to who's right and who's wrong. For me, this is why Chris Argent is the most compelling of the hunter side. He clearly has a sense of grayness when it comes to the code: though he hunts werewolves, he's very bothered by the idea of slaughtering a sixteen year old. Gerard, while deliciously evil and fun to watch do his thing, provides no real interesting philosophical or moral struggle. His line of thinking is simple: kill werewolves. Even if your daughter-in-law is becoming one. It's simple minded, ignores complex problems of identity and what it takes for someone to really be a "monster," and while it certainly gives me someone to cheer against (and to cheer for Scott to succeed against), it doesn't do much in terms of deep thematic richness. But again, this is subjective, and you're certainly welcome to your opinion.



I'm glad we can all agree, at least, that season two has been great. Whether it's better than season one (I think it is) is always going to be personal taste, but I'm glad we can all discuss and enjoy the debate.
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Haha I thought the same thing about Derek only telling Isaac about the anchor. It's like "Derek, is there something you would like to share with the WHOLE class?"
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Teen Wolf has been shockingly incredible this season. It shouldn't be nearly as good as it is. It really shouldn't. This episode was kinda great.



- It was so predictable it was unpredictable. They've done it twice now...shocking the viewers with something that shouldn't be shocking. Well done. That scene between Matt and Allison was kind of amusing...their eyes were saying one thing but they were actually saying something else....everyone knows he's been creepy stalking her but no one wants to say it. LIke Friends' "but they don't know, that WE know, that THEY know we know!" Uh huh.

I'm not even going to attempt to figure out what the hell this all means as far as Matt's state of being and his obsession with Allison.

- I like Allison for the most part...but probably yes. I'd actually venture to say that her hallucination was a foreshadowing...crazy one to have where her evil doppleganger voicing things her mother would say was haunting her during her mom's final moments.WTH! I've never been a big fan of Mrs.Argent...not like the majority of the TW fanbase seems to be, but she was incredible in this episode. Go figure the episode of her death they show the many facets of such a complex woman. I saluted her badassery when she said damn the pills stab me in the mother fudgin heart! Gotta respect that. That brief moment with Allison was great...and the death scene. Pardon the pun, but it was so well executed! I finally believed that they are a family that cares about each other...that she was a wife who loved her husband, a mom who loved her daughter. The struggle she had with asking for Mr.A's help with killing herself and...her tearfully worrying that people would think she was weak. (something that most women do fear) No I wasn't Mrs.A's biggest fan but I respected and admired that aspect of her! NO ONE would ever believe that woman was weak. She made damn sure of that. Brava lady. I salute the hell out of you. And Allison and Chris at the hospital. Fantastic scenes.

- No...because it would be criminal in most states to have those type of thoughts about my brother. ;) But yes..because my lewd thoughts aside...Derek is a great big brother type I presume..the perfect blend of curmudgeon and protectiveness. He's a great guy. You'd want him on your side however you can get him. I'm curious to see what his loss of Alpha-hood means though. Are the other three suddenly Peter's now?

- I don't know. This purple pixie dust is messing with my head. It's possible she could return...but I've always loved how TW does things big and doesn't go back on them.



-A party with No Danny? Never!

- Okay...I love Scott. I do...but his hallucinations? SUCKED. Everyone else is grappling with some deep crap. Jackson is hallucinating about his biological parents whom he doesn't know anything about. Allison...is grappling with internal conflict and identity crisis. Even Stiles is dealing with his guilt...not just over recent events but deeply buried, long lasting guilt and blame he has over his Mom's death, and being a burden on his fathe. What does Scott hallucinate about? What is Scott's biggest fear? Allison banging Reptoid...or anyone for that matter. WTF? Seriously Scott? You don't fear, I don't know, Gerard killing your mom for example? No? Just Allison shirtless hugging a lizard. Gotcha dude. Ugh. Kids today.

- BOYD. Again. I freakin love this guy. Somebody had to have the brains in this trio of baby wolflets and go figure it would be Boyd. I like the joke(?) implication that maybe the she wolves have a higher threshold for pain and...I don't know could be stronger or something. That could be awesome. I liked the scene between Derek in Isaac for the sentiment. The analytical side of me kept whispering about Isaac's eventual control not being all that impressive since he IS older than the other two. Also...why tell Isaac about the anchor and not the others? Nevertheless...bro moments.

-Team Stilinski. They should be like the new Mars family. They should just open up their own P.I. agency and solve some shizz.
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I love how many people who are Pro Stilinski keep likening them to the Mars duo. It's literally one of the best things a fan of both V Mars and Teen Wolf could witness. Up top!

Also literally EVERYTHING you said, ditto. I don't like the word ditto, but ditto.
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Yes Team Stilinski has been awesome. I love them. I see your ditto and raise you a ditto. ; )
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Dittos all round :-D
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umm, maybe it's because I'm watching the Inbetweeners, but I keep thinking that Matt looked like Simon (Joe Thomas).

I didn't think Matt was controlling the Kanima. Since they were able to bring back Peter Hale, Alison might do the same for her mom unaware of the fact that she was a werewolf. But since Grandpa Argent isn't controlling the Kanima, then why was he important in this season, he might have something to do with this because why include a crazy old dude?



Maybe there's a secret alliance or something. That would be cool. In the end, this episode was cool.
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I keep thinking that one of the kids from the U.S. "Inbetweeners" looks a lot like Dylan O'Brien.

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yeah or like a mix of both of them. I love both shows
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I'm beginning to wonder if, in some weird twist, Matt is going to turn out to be Jackson's dead dad or something. It would explain why he has a connection to him... yeah... sorry, I'm just putting stupid ideas out there now... ignore me.
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You got a little bit of a timing issue there. If Matt was on the 2006 swim team, he's not likely to have a kid in high school in 2012. Jackson should have already been adopted when the 2006 events went down.
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Well, that entered my head and it would certainly help explain the whole idea that the Kanima Master is dead thing (I also kind of wondered if Matt actually has a condition much like Lydia's and can speak to a dead, or seemingly dead, guy and sort of channels the Master through to Jackson when Jackson needs non supernatural assistance. And just then referring to him as the Master, I had an imagine of the underground cave filled with scary looking vampires yelling about the Slayer.
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I've been wondering if someone getting into the chemistry teacher's car is actually not about the Kanima but some foreshadowing of whatever is to come next season, what was referenced by the vet & guidance counselor. Since it wasn't Matt, it could've been Grandpa or even the guidance counselor since they both also work at the school.



But that's probably not the case since the Einstein sticker was linked directly to the Kanima... oh well it's just a theory!
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I wonder if the chemistry teacher is actually part of the vet, guidance counselor group and that is what put him on the radar of not only Laura Hale and Kate Argent (I know one of them had a list of people with the last name Harris) and even Peter's radar last season. And it would explain his concern over Jackson and perhaps his willingness to give Scott a little slack (you would think Stiles' best friend would get some of the same crap treatment) because he shares Deaton's sympathies. I could just see the Teen Wolf writers getting a kick out of everyone automatically suspecting him of being every bad guy, thinking he is so creepy, and it turns out he is one of the good guys.
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Right exactly...I can see him being made to be a bigger player in things that we don't know about yet. And being the Snape like @ToddMurray said...that would be kind of awesome.
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I never thought about him possibly being the Professor Snape type of character on the show, but yeah very possible!
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Boo to the resurrection of Peter Hale. Aside from the fact he didn't get a ton of screen time last season, I feel like his return as the Big Bad is unnecessary and a step backwards for the show. The whole thing has just felt like a way to give Lydia a storyline.



Even Grandpa Argent, arguably this season's Big Bad, with the reveal that he's not the Kanima's master has taken his status down a notch.



Since the entire season has operated without a single unifyng threat, it has allowed for shifting and unlikely alliances which has made this season great.



Now there are five camps, Kanima and master, Argents, Scott et al, Derek et al, Peter Hale, who are all going to what? I don't see the Kanima and Peter teaming up? it's going to make for some difficult story telling for the final three episodes.



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I theorize that if you were to pin Jeff Davis down, he would say these two first seasons he treated as one season since they were only 12 episodes a piece and so the Peter storyline never really ended and the Kanima storyline was actually more of a deflection from the first season storyline and these season will end with the real end of Scott's origin story where it is ultimately his choice to kill Peter once and for all and maybe become 'normal' or to accept fully his lycanthropy and his position in the pack and how this would totally would alter any plans he might have had for his life.
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I know a lot of people love Mrs. Argent, but I'm all about Mr. Argent! First of all, that man is all KINDS of sexy. But he's proved to be a great actor as well. We've seen it before but I thought this ep really demonstrated his abilities. And the scene with him & Crystal Reed together at the end was excellent...they both really brought it. And also in the scene where Mrs. Argent dies...again, both excellent. Kudos! I haven't been as enamored with Mrs. Argent as a lot of people are, but I did enjoy her well enough. But these last two eps where she was able to show a lot more range & act like a real person instead of a caricature made me like her more. I loved the tear escaping right as she passed...nice.
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You pretty much summed up my feelings word for word. I agree completely. I've never enjoyed Mrs. A as much as I've enjoyed her the past two episodes. She did get to have more range, and she was more believable to me than she was previously. Also yes...love Mr.A.
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Me too, he keeps reminding me of Claire's father from Heroes, ultimately a hero wrapped up in history and politics and all stuffs to make him look like he is the bad guy.
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NOAH. Ugh. Remember how good Heroes was in season 1?
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I know, I like to pretend that was the only season and we only knew him as HRG or Mr. Bennett.
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You are correct. Heroes did not go past S1. I do not acknowledge it & they can't make me lol.
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I miss Claude Reins, too. He was an AWESOME character.
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I have to disagree in one key point

You dont have yo kill off main characters of any show

to make it good it actually make it suck

like Ned Stark death in Game Of Thrones

Maybe you can kill of the supporting characters for some drama

but what make a tv series good is an intresting plot

I love that Peter is back becouse he is a very intresting bad guy

and / look forward to see what he will do next

I really dont see what is so intresting to you about Mr Argent

but I dont think they should have killed her off

after all if Scott learned to control his power

she could too

did they forget about the code ???

they left Scott, Derek and the other werewolf to live so far

so why not her ???







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Was this a comment, or some English assignment free verse poem?
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I don't understand how you forgot to mention the best part of the episode, which was clearly that completely random black chick who despite not being involved in the situation at all dunked Stiles in the pool to sober him up. She then disappeared, never to be heard from again.
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That part was hysterical! I loved it!: )
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She was a contest winner from something MTV ran last year.

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I picked that part as the quote of the week in this week's episode. I thought she was absolutely hilarious. I've read somewhere that this girl was a fan that won a walk-in scene but I don't know if it's true. She could visit any time, I think Stiles might need more sobering up in the future. ^^
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If only they would tell Allison the whole of what happened with her mom. "So, your mom ran Scott over then kidnapped him. Then she put him in some random side room with wolfsbane vapor (I don't remember the exact details) to simulate an asthma attack and kill him. So he called to Derek for help, who came and rescued him. Derek fought with your mom and probably bit her accidentally trying to fend of her knife attacks. So, she and your dad decided it wasn't worth dealing with werewolfhood to stay around and be in your life. No no, much better to completely traumatize you and blame it on Derek and Scott." Sadly, she's never going to get that version of events (sigh).
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I found it rather odd that it wasn't already mentioned in passing that Mrs.Argent tried to kill Scott...again. I mean these poor kids, you know you're life is crazy when too much is going on and you sort of don't bother mentioning to your quasi gf that her psycho mother almost killed you the other night, before you wolf bro totally saved you. It's as inconsequential as talking about a homework assignment.
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Probably exactly what is going to happen, but I think she either learns quickly what happened or something else happens. Like the tag is that Alison tracks Derek to the sheriff's station where Scott, Stiles, Melissa and Stiles' father are being held hostage and we know from previews that Matt is the one holding them hostage. I would think Jackson is likely guarding the perimeter. So, somehow Derek is there to save this group and I am guessing that Peter sticks his nose in too which does give everyone a bigger enemy to worry about, but I am guessing that Derek saves Melissa somehow and Alison sees this, Stiles tells her that Scott was dying when Derek went to save him and that stops her.
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Methinks that's probably going to happen next week! I hope so, because I want to see how Allison reacts to that idea. Will she believe Scott if he tells her? He'd have no reason to lie.
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Does anyone else think that maybe the whole "they killed me" thing has to do with drowning; so much focus on the swim team and water makes me think maybe Matt drowned and was brought back. That's technically dying right?
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Maybe. But I think there is far more to it than that, too...the voice speaking through Jackson referred to itself as though it were the voice of many, not one, so I imagine there are others. Not just Matt. I'm not sure how that would work, but I feel like it wouldn't fit with the clues we've been given for Matt to have been running the whole thing solo.
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@CG why do you say it sounded as if speaking for many? I didn't get that impression at all... I've only watched it one time, but maybe I missed something?
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It said at one pont 'We're all here'. I could be remembering incorrectly, but I'm almost certain that occured during the conversation.
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Hopefully :-D
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Ok thanks I'll have to rewatch when that ep becomes available again (I don't have cable so I have to watch the next day on MTV's site player). All I could remember was him saying "they killed me". And hopefully we'll get those answers very soon anyway!
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I had an initial disturbing thought and this is probably from my Catholic upbringing and many horror movies drawn from that culture, that is how possession usually works, whether it is one or many demons, when speaking through the possessed, they refer to themselves as Legion because if a human has the demon's individual name, he or she can exercise power over it which is why the priest at the exorcism demands the demon to identify itself....or, Matt just has some sort of astral projection (like Pru on Charmed) and isn't actually dead and is just messing with the baby wolves and Stiles and he is actually 24 but just knows he can pass for a high schooler and came bad for revenge.
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See, this is the problem. Those theories + all my theories + all the other theories I've seen. They've made this one truly puzzling. If Jeff Davis wasn't doing such a good job, I'd hate him.
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I know and I tell you I am so trying to get my coworker who loves TV as much as I do into this show just so I don't have to wait for this everyday to espouse my various theories, she can usually shoot some stuff down and notices things I don't, she keeps telling me that she has the first season on order from Netflix, but I swear I would cut down on at least three theories per thing to have a theory about on this show and probably still have four too many.

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The whole storyline with the Kanima and its master kind of reminded of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. A group of high school kids, some of which are supernatural beings, working together and doing research to stop an evil thing from killing people.
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And speaking of allusions to other works-- has anyone else got a total Horcrux vibe from the Lydia/Peter Hale storyline?
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Absolutely. There are many things that remind me of Buffy, I'm sure it's an influence. Even specific plot points- such as the hallucinations in this ep were similar to the ep of Buffy where the Hellmouth made everyone's worst nightmares come true. Buffy's Dad telling her what a disappointment she was & eventually her becoming a vampire. Also the fact that our psyches determine how the bite affects you reminds me of how the Hellmouth could affect differently depending on the psyche-- the girl who felt ignored became literally invisible, the kid so stressed about his responsibilities that his head exploded.



Don't get me wrong, I don't mean that they're stealing ideas. Just that interesting ideas are bound to get reused in various forms, especially if it's an influence to the creator/writer.
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The writers and creators have gone on record saying they're heavily influenced by Buffy, and it definitely shows. I agree, though, that they don't seem like they're stealing ideas so much as doing reinvention and updating them in new, interesting ways. The characters are certainly very different personality-wise, at the very least, but the themes have become very similar, in a good way.



I mean, it's hard to imitate BtVS in a bad way. Unless you're, you know, Twilight, and just take the vampire mode and make it AWFUL.
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There are no vampires in twilight, just glitter-squirrels.
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Which is appropriate, since Twilight fans are nuttier than squirrel poo.
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Now Edward and co will be glitter-squirrels for me! Thank you from the heart safibwana!
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Haha touche.
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So now that Peter is back does that mean Scott could kill him and get cured?
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I can't remember exactly how the lore here works but after having transformed into a werewolf there usually isn't a way back. I though the biter had to be killed BEFORE the first full moon hit his victim.



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That was my understanding of werewolf lore too that just like killing yourself to prevent the change, you have only the time before your first transistion to kill the one who made you. But, then, wouldn't Derek have told Scott that soon after Derek killed Peter even though Scott was begging to be able to (I mean, we can backtrack and that this was just the biggest big brother thing that Derek did for Scott, he knew it was too late since Scott had already went through his first full moon, though he didn't tell him about the killing thing until after the full moon, and knew that according to these Argents' ethics, as long as Scott didn't spill any blood, he was safe, so Derek did it so Scott wouldn't have to - but we all know he wanted to be the Alpha).

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You guys have got to go find the episodes in the web regarding the search for the cure... It will make a LOT more sense.
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I finally saw them, they're awesome!
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Answers:



Yes



Most probably no



Nope....



Hope so.....
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yes i do wish derek was my... something ;)
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Mr. Price. :D I knew the episode was gooooood but your recap has its own charms. :) More than worth waiting. :D As for your questions:-

1. Yes Matt candidacy was strong as ever. Some say library incident rule him out but before library every action of his was super suspicious. As Stiles said. "He is Evil."

2. It better be changing her for good. Even Scott's idiot and jerk attitude is in great need of some thrashing.

3. Who wouldn't? But I have cooler and awesome older brothers so no regrets :D

4. You are right, without her the element of terror of 'that' strict mom is no more. I need her. :)
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Seriously... do we have any sway in here? if so, please resurrect Mrs Argent and reveal what was in the box. thank you x
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I think we all need to send cyber-hugs to Price Peterson.

+ cyber-skittles.

+ cyber-pizza.

+ cyber-beverage.
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+cyber Pink Starbursts.
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+cyber-Victoria Argent.
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So first of all the questions then the rest:

1) Matt was one of the possibilities but after the Library incident I ruled him off..Sigh.

2) Allison will change for sure, and also Scott will have to choose sides: with Derek that saved his life, or with Allison that sooner or later will kill him?

3) I wish Derek was the cool older bro of a friend of mine that totally falls in love with me....that would be nice...

4) I really think so. The tear, the wolf eyes becoming normal again, the knife....And you can resurrect only one character, not all of them!

Anyway, wonderful episode, wonderful twists!

I think Lydia decided to just follow Peter's orders because she has no other choice. A lifetime of nightmares maybe? No thanks....

And I think that Stiles fear wasn't so "up in the air". I mean, in Season 1 his father was drunk and started thinking about the mother....Can be that when she died he experienced some bad feelings toward Stiles.. He loved a lot the mother....so it can be! And Stiles to me seemed sad, not surprised!

Scott's hallucination was totally lame and gross!

And I noticed that at the second viewing of the episode, but they outed Matt because he was screaming I cannot swim in a pool that was like 1 meter deep (you can see people standing). So fear of water + Jackson/servant coming to your rescue = kanima's master. And I liked a lot also the hint about the police questioning the science teacher! YES! Good police work on a supernatural show!

I liked the whole episode basically! And the hint that an alpha can fall to a beta or even an omega...So Derek can maybe fall to a beta without dying! I'm cool with that!

And the Argents committing suicide when bitten gives totally another sense to their "moral code". They loath so much werewolves that they cannot conceive the possibility of becoming one! They consider them monsters (I'm thinking of last week's discussion in the comments about when is right to kill a ww). And even a super strong person like Mrs. Argent doesn't trust herself with the ww-power. I think that says a lot about them and their values and what's at stake for Scott dealing with them!

I cannot believe we have only three episodes left! And I cannot wait another week for the next one!

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Powerful insights on Argent Clan's 'Moral Codes'. :)

Scott's hallucination proved that his own mind is more or less always in gutter. :P

I knew after this episodes many would jump on Matt being master but many would be surprised. :)

However it really wasn't that hidden. (For me at least)

1. Stiles and Scott's conversation at library was foreshadowing the importance of Matt in later episode (If I've learned one thing about this show is that nothing shown is in vain. It comes to place sooner or later). Stiles was right, Matt would not do work to bring any suspicion over him.

2. He viewed and practically stole the information on kanima from Allyson's tablet. I have a suggestion for this action- a) Matt has no 'lore' background on Kanima. b) If he's undead, he has no idea for that too. May be he is being controlled by some Necromancer. (This show!!!)

3. That hospital hooded figure hinted at it being a teenager. (Rewatch... it really has that vibe).



Future predictions-

Clues: Isaac's Daddy was the coach back then 16 years ago. Matt-Kanima duo is killing that team. Isaac had an older brother who died. Jackson mental block is regarding his identity crisis(or rather ID loss). Isaac's daddy wasn't always that bad. Something changed his behavior.



Outcome-Matt is an undead/Peter-like but tangible apparition by some necromancer who indirectly controls Jackson(Kanima) [Taking advantage of both characters' sad backgrounds). Matt might be from swim team (Better-He might be Isaac's older brother who drowned because of coach Lahey's mistakes/strict drills/peer prancks. Coach Lahey regrets/become sour- Isaac's life becomes hell. Jackson's parents might not be normal. (There had been hints about them being assassinated).



Then there is that omnious conversation between a "Vet" and a "Student Concellor"- Really this show!!! (*_*)
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I agree with everything. And you are right, thinking about that the faceless parents hinted at why Jackson in the kanima. He feels he has no identity so he is a servant of a maybe dead person.

It will be nice if Jackson's parents accident was someway correlated with the kanima...maybe the person causing it was coach leery or a young chemistry teacher and that in some way changed their lives and caused the death of the Kanima's master!

So many theories! But TW has shown that can surprise us even with the most anticipated twists!

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(Forgot to post this last night. Sorry for nonsense.)

The fundamental question. The question on all our lips's...s...*ahem* THE question...above all OTHER questions...

What. Did Stiles. Get Lydia. That requires. A box. Of that size.

COME ON WRITERS. Don't leave me hanging on a thing like that.



Also let it be known that my emotions had simmered down until about an hour ago when I decided 'Ciara, you knwo what you should do, watch an episode of Doctor Who, that's a great idea, something light on emotions before bed,' and then all bets were off. My emotions have been compromised. I'd abort mission, but...nah.



1). No. And that's just really confusing me, to the point that I won't even try to figure out the logistics of it because logic just isn't logical right now. I'll wait for Jeff Davis' to explain that one. I can wait a week. (No I can't.)

2). Probably not if she tries to kill Derek...and sadly, I think it played out in such a way that not even the knowledge that Derek was trying to protect Scott from her mother - let's admit, Mama Argent brought that fight on herself - will sway her now. Derek's the enemy. I would like to see badass Allison, I'd just like to skip over the 'I am driven by revenge and am therefore now 100% more badass than before' phase and skip right onto 'I'm pretty much normal Allison except now I kick into gear when necessary without being moody and emotional about it because being moody and emotion is for people in CW shows'. (Sorry.) But, I DO NOT THINK Derek but Mama Argent. I'mma leave that right there. The show very cleverly, very heavily implied it was him, but Derek would have at least acknowledged it at some point - he's not stupid enough to think he'd get away with that, and possibly would have wanted to confront her before she could wolf out on anyone because, hello, full moon, bad news, crazy eyes, loud noises, etc. - and I have this whole Gerard theory, because he was there and there's quite a bit of time he WASN'T on screen during the rave episode in which he could have been munching on his daughter in law because he MIGHT be a werewolf himself and seemed mighty pleased with himself for a man who's entire plan just failed and - okay, basically, the pills thing, + the fact that he couldn't cross the line of mountain ash, + his jolly good mood when he met Allison after the rave = a man who MAY have framed Derek Hale for biting Mrs. Argent WITH HER CONSENT...I don't know. This show just kicks theories into high gear and I really should be asleep right now, but I'm not, so here we are.

3). Um. No? The actor who plays him maybe...but I would hate to be related to the guy who stalked literally everyone for the whole of season 1. And some of season 2. Cool it, Derek.

2). Some theories say yes, some say no. Most say no. But I won't trouble anyone with any more theories. I don't thiink.



I loved the halluci-whatsits. I won't even try to spell that word right now. I was probably going in the right direction with it too but OH WELL. Anyway, I loved them, because what other teen show characterises (?) people so well through the medium of halluci-whatsits. I'm sure everyone who reads this will think of some, but still. Good characterisation (?) I was very impressed with how they handled Jackson's...not in terms of CGI (yeesh!), but just the idea of having your parents, or even A parent, that you've never met standing inches from you, having come to find you, and then to turn around...faceless. I mean, I don't generally have nightmares, and if I do, they involve spiders more than anything, but if I were to have a nightmare, if I were to select any halluci-whatsists to NEVER have from the four we saw in this episode...it would be Jackson's. And I'm not entirely sure what Scott's afraid of. Allison cheating, Allison being happy about cheating, Allison cheating with Jackson in Lydia's house, or...Allison getting it on with a lizard. I guess all of those things? Poor Scott I guess. And then Allison with the moody and emotionLESS Allison. Trippy! I didn't find Stiles' halluci-whatsit too over the top. I mean, the idea that he feels THAT GUILTY for something we don't have that much information on makes it hard to understand, but the fact is...he has a lot of guilt. Basically. At least his fear made sense. (Looking at you Scott.)



I'm also unsure about Lydia. Was she driven by a want for revenge on her friends for keeping her in the dark, or was Peter controlling her?



And then Jackson and Lydia at school...if she was being controlled by Peter, then maybe that explains his reaction when she touched him. But if she wasn't, was the show implying Lydia would be HIS 'anchor?' Uncertain.



Who noticed that brief, casual shot of two dudes making out at the party? Anyone? It was CASUAL. I love that Teen Wolf isn't trying to make a point of guys loving guys or girls loving girls. It incorporates gay people into the show because there are gay people in the real world and it ain't that big a deal. It was literally SO CASUAL. No close up like "Look how daring we're being." I just...respect. Glee makes a point out of 'promoting' gay relationships or something, and yet all I see is fans getting annoyed because evidently the showrunners don't like gay PDA. Or something. Get over it, Glee.



Oh, and when Stiles says "Maybe *character name* is *as yetunidentified villain*, he's right, evidently. Scott, when your best friend doesn't trust someone, it's probably best you don't ignore it. This isn't a critisism (?), Scott. Just a point. Stiles instincts should be your bible, basically.



I appreciated Derek channeling John McClane. That's all I'll say about that.



Who loved Random Badass Girl teaching Scott how to sober a guy up with the assistance of an outdoor swimming pool? Spin off for her!



Mrs. Argent's death was said. Again, I feel like she brought it on herself (not the bite, just the bad luck), but when she was saying how everyone would question the news of her suicide, and wonder how she could to that to her family...I don't know. Chris and Victoria went from being the most questionable couple on TV to one of the most heartbreaking in less than twenty minutes screentime. Beat that, other genre based teen shows. (*Ahem*)



Issac essentially chose love as his anchor. Erica made a joke about her period. And Boyd's revealed to be CLEVER. #TeamBoyd I generally don't understand the use of hashtags outside Twitter/Tumblr, but alas, Boyd earned it. All is well with the young wolves. (Also, all I can think when I picture them in that train cart going berzerk is "And we're the three best friends that anyone could have...")



Matt was straight up creepy. Another nightmare I would NOT elect to have. Am I the only one who got genuinely freaked out when he mouthed "Open the window now". I'm not a good lip reader but I read that LOUD AND CLEAR, between the lines too, and it was SCARY. Forget cooling it, Derek, Matt needs to seriously, seriously CHILL right now. That s*** scary.



We should name the start of this episode "A Series of Unfortunate Events". And just leave it at that. Because really now. Poor Lydia.



And now I think I need to stop typing. And go to bed. Because my head is slowing down a little and I'm not sure what I just wrote and I could potentially faint right here right now from fatigue.
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"And we're the three best friends that anyone could have...and we're the..." Darnit! Thanks for that CG! The Hangover:Supernatural Edition. Hells yeah.



YES. What. Was. In.That. Box? Gah! How adorable was he trying to shove it through the door. Loves him.



Oh my head hurts with the thought. My badass Derek not biting Mrs.A? That would be so good! And Hey derek isn't a stalker...he's a lurker. He's a slightly grumpy, overly protective lurker. Yup.



Halluci-whatsits...LOL! Yes, I was totally tellling what's his face,in somewere'sville, that the halluci-what's its totally made blew my whatchamacallit! ;)



The casualness of the two gay guys snogging in the background made me smile. Because I love how easy breezy this show is about homosexuality...they don't make a big deal about it. They don't toss it in your face in an attempt to make a statement or be edgy (Glee, Grey's) they don't avoid it or have negative and archaic implications about it...it's just there...like anything else. I love that...it's post modern in that sense.



Yeah clearly Allison is going to go all Emily Thorne revenge...minus the awesome sidekick. I'll have to see how that goes before saying whether or not I'm gonna like it.
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I dunno, I do argue that Teen Wolf's one of the gayest shows on TV, but I don't give them much credit for actual gayness. Gayitude? Gayosity? Gaytivity--I'll stop.



No one in the core is actually gay. Danny's gay, and everything's cool and not a big deal, but he's both a side character, and he's not actually with anyone on screen. To be gay, it doesn't count if he's not doing gay. Unless he's sitting around the group with a boyfriend, it doesn't count to me.



The "Okay, you're X. Just don't show it because no one wants to see it" trick is nothing new. I hate to say it, but this show could use a little more Glee (a little!!). This show's not that evolved, it's just really, really gay.
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Yeah....cuz you love arguing with me so much doncha buddy?LOL! It is though. It totally is..I think that's part of what makes it so darn funny! Gayosity...I kinda like that. I shall steal that.It shall be mine! I'll give you credit though mmkay?



But this IS a show that treats it's side characters just as good as it's main characters unlike some shows (I'm loooking at you TVD!) So to me, I think it still matters! To me it feels like they didn't say "Hey lets' have a token gay character"...to me it felt like Danny was a character that happens to be gay. Kinda like how they did on Revenge with Nolan...never got the sense that when they were auditioning they said.. "Gay sidekick". They aren't pummeling you over the head with all the angst and the it gets better campaigns...I mean there is enough of that on some of everything. It's just there...all matter of fact. And no one cares about it...and because no one cares about it, people take notice of it...and respect it. To me that gives a better message of tolerance than a fifteen episode arc of Kurt Hummel getting bullied for example. not to to say I don't enjoy that too.
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Picture this one (in before Sunday's ep.).



Danny's at his locker talking with a guy. Flirtatious smiles, etc.



Jackson walks up, totally c-blocks. Guy leaves.



Jackson: "You finish that video footage, or what?"



Danny: "Dude, I was a little busy, just now..."



Jackson: "What, Thompson? Psh, he'll be back. He's been after you since Freshman year."



Danny: "...seriously?"



Jackson: "Dude, everyone knows. Focus. The footage."
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Aww, you're tiny. Well, you're tall in...word count. That's just as good.



Again I want to give the show credit for the sentiment, but instead of just finding fairness, I prefer to keep shoving it forward, or I might not notice when it rolls backwards.



So, here's to never being satisfied, cheers! You'll be the ray of sunshine at parties.
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Tis I! Ha...I'm so short that I don't think I've ever heard someone say "is that you up there" LOL!



Damn. Damn...damn. I kinda want to reason with that but I can't always reason with what's reasonable. Damn it if you didn't get to me with that one.Dude...you suck in that awesome way. And you put it eloquently too. *sigh* Okay. I see your point. I mean I still love the nonchalance and light heartedness in their approach. But I see your point.
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Bluemystique? Is that you up there? Didn't notice. Coincidence, really. Did you get a new avatar? (Heh heh..)



Take Gayosity freely. I don't have any patents pending. Sometimes I need to believe in myself a little bit more.



Anyway, I give a little credit for intent, but that's about it. Unlike other minorities, gays aren't officially gay until they do something. Try as some might, a White guy in bling and a basketball jersey will never be Black, even if he's 'Black in his heart,'...or even if he 'can hear Jimi'. They can't just *do* Black; they are or they're not. But gays look like straights on camera. It's not that much to have a (distant) side guy say he's gay and then have nothing happen. A lot of shows have done that.



There are levels of gay. Danny saying he's gay is obviously gay, but not as gay as kissing a guy 'hello' or 'goodbye', which still isn't as gay as making out with the guy, which isn't as gay as True Blood--kidding (barely).



So basically, it's a nice sentiment, but no more than a baby step. I can do without it all, but a whole lot of intolerant people can put up with a person being gay as long as they don't *do*. Gays are the one minority that are specifically judged by what they do, even though it's directly linked to what they are, and there's no true acceptance until what they *do* is beheld and properly meh'd. Maybe Vegans are the other minority, but I'll never accept those freaks.



Danny's unimportant enough overall, but if there's time for him, there's time for him to smooch a guy on the cheek. To me, that small moment would make a decent statement. The show's not really making one yet.
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I feel like this sums up Teen Wolf's attitude toward what it is to be gay, despite hoa many opportunities they may have missed to make a point of it, this quote is still wonderful. Jeff Davis: "I'm trying to create a world where there's no racism, there's no sexism, there's no homophobia. And I know it's not real life, but I kinda don't care. I'd like to create a world where none of that matters, you have the supernatural creatures for that to work as an analogy. In my mind, if you can create a world like that on tv, maybe life starts to imitate it. That's important to me. I think there are other shows that are better equipped to deal with serious topics. We're doing werewolves in high school."
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"I think the fact that this show ISN'T your typical teens-dealing-with-teenage stuff kind of shows is what makes it so admirable. "



It may not be a typical teen show, but I would say it's typical teens dealing with teenage stuff...and werewolves. Scott's got girl problems, Stiles has 'no-girl' girl problems, Alison's suffering through Juliet Syndrome, Jackson's struggling with the pressure of no longer being the best at everything, Lydia's an ass who's in love with a dick, Erica's suddenly hot and popular, and drunk off the power, Isaac's no longer a wuss, etc..



Normal teen stuff with supernatural stuff thrown in. The questions are: what does Jeff want to be normal, and what does he actually think *is* normal?
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I think the fact that this show ISN'T your typical teens-dealing-with-teenage stuff kind of shows is what makes it so admirable. He's neither trying to make a point out of it or force it in there so people don't complain. He's just acknowledging the fact that some people are gay, and some people are straight, but also, werewolves. And that's what I like so much about it.
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There are different kinds of 'no racism.' The kind where everyone's actually in the mix, like a mobile U.N. with beanies and blackberries, and there's the kind where there are no other races around. Is the goal for no one to care, is the goal tolerance or is the goal acceptance?



A guy can not care what they do over in their allotted areas, but they might care more when they sit next to them in a restaurant. A guy can tolerate them at work, but might not be as tolerant when they want to marry the guy's kid. Acceptance is not caring, not minding, and not walking away when they walk towards.



It's easy to not mind Asians when they don't exist (Sacramento, eh?), and it's easy to tolerate gays when they're not 'y'know...gay.' For a TV show, it's not really acceptance if they're not there. Otherwise, people can say they don't care if they're there or not, but some people care that they *aren't* there.



So TW gets points for having a gay guy in the show (...over there), but like I just said up there, it's just a baby step. As he said, this isn't a show that really deals with serious topics; it's a show about werewolves in high school.
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^This is why Jeff Davis is kind of awesome.



Really, if the major argument that gay rights activists make is that they want to be treated with equality, it seems that presenting a character who is gay with as little emphasis placed on the plight of his or her sexuality as with heterosexuals would be a good place to start. Is it possibly unrealistic, considering that most gay kids experience more difficulties (both internal and external)? Sure. But to me the fact that we don't get focused on that creates significantly better tv. It's just refreshing not to see the writers using the series as a soapbox for hitting us of the head with a message about such struggles.
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I hope the show reveals the contents of that MASSIVE DAMN BOX because the suspense is killing me.



Derek's lurkage leaves a lot to be desired. But then he cosplays John McClane and it's like, okay, second chance.



I'mma use somewhere'sville. I like that word. That's a niiiice word.



A lot of shows handle gay couples and the struggels they face really well. And other shows just make it so that literally every gay person struggles with their sexuality, which is NOT how I see it, the majority of gay people I've met are pretty damn proud of their sexuality, thank you very much. And then Teen Wolf goes a step farther. Pretty much everyone in this show is at least 5% gay. Which is how it is in the real world. I don't for a second believe straight men aren't even a LITTLE turned on by Matt Bomer. And I got girl crushes left right and centre. People being gay, or a LITTLE gay, or people swinging both ways, doesn't always have to be portrayed as an almighty struggle. Teen Wolf beats the crap out of literally every other show in that respect.



I agree. Before I say I like or dislike Allison's new arc, I guess I should just see what happens...INTRIGUE.
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I got it! Mini Stiles... Stiles in a Box! (ahem not to beconfused with **** in a box ). Best. Present.Ever. I mean the former not that...nevermind.



I don't know...I like Derek's lurking...So much better than Stefan's lurking. Stefan's lurking annoys me. It's an insult to us lurkers.



I'mm give you somewhere'sville because you are my chica.



I'm trying to prevent myself from going on Psychology/Sociology nuts on you after mentioning stats and what not. I'm trying to be good. I know a handful of straight guys who are totally enamored with Matt Bomer. They just are. I mean it IS Matt Bomer. But yeah...that's what I love about TW. They don't clobber you over the head with the gay angst. They take an idealistic approach that makes me smile.



Please ignore my posts today. I think it's the sleep deprivation. I think I sound like an idiot. I know I sound like an idiot. An bumbling idiot letting random and unfiltered thoughts appear on screen before I have the right mine to delete them. I hate that. Don't you hate that? Don't answer that. submit...submit
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Nothing is more entertaining then sleep deprivation.
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He's a handsome guy, but I don't think I've ever literally got wood looking at him.
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We are totally bat shizz crazy. Awesome.



I tried neuro-linguistic aversion therapy on myself...but nope...still an overabundance of the use of Awesome. So now I say it's my word. No excuses...just dammit I love that word Awesome.
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I think this was the most enlightening thread I've ever read in TV.com.
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Yeah, a tranny with a penis is a little more penis than I'm looking for.



Matt Bomer, I do see it, but I wouldn't have guessed he'd be in a top 10. My guydar just never developed. My gf just says he's 'pretty good-looking.'



Anyway, I could hug it out with Price, but he honestly sounds really...breakable, no offense.



And my favorite word is involuntarily 'Dude.' I tried to deny it for years, but I once said it three times in a seven-word sentence. I'm from the beach. It's not an excuse, but I pretend like it is.



Oh yeah, I'm also huggy gay for Morrissey. I don't like him (he's kind of a traitorous dick), but I love the old girl so much. Kind of the same thing with Prince, actually. I wonder if I'm a masochistic manhugger now...
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Dammit I heart you guys so much right now! LOL!



Matt Bomer is the 8th Wonder of the world. Hellz yeah he is. Gorgeous specimen.



Yes Acrobit. I totally ship you and Price now. When two awesome dudes collide in the world's awesomest platonical not platonical hug...and burst of awesomeness spreads around. My favorite word is Awesome. Note that.



Eh I don't do chicks...maybe some girl crushes. There was that one time where I thought that hot guy was a guy and he totally was a girl...real headscratcher. But you know...you'd be surprised what a gal sees after a few years at an all girl school. ; )
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@Acrobit Really? If I ever did a tranny, I'd want her to have a (functional) penis still, otherwise, it's just a woman, which is kind of boring.



I never actually noticed Matt Bomer was especially handsome until Price started posting 30 pictures of him each week.



@CG Matthew McWhatever and Joseph Gordon-Levitt actively turn me off. I'd prolly do Ian Somerhalder, though.
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I had to google him (in a manly way, mind you). The White Collar guy? I do wish I had blue eyes, my dad had them. I could've killed the game with those...



I did think I was gay for the Yeah Yeah Yeah's lead singer for a couple weeks...then I found out he was a chick. I've seen a few trannies I would do if I were single and if they were post-op. I've been to Thailand and some of them are damn fine. The rest are not.



I can at least say I'm Huggy Gay for Prince. I wouldn't do him, but I ran into him, I'd hug the hell out of him.
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Not all guys. A Matt Bomer for some guys, a Joseph Gordon-Levitt for others, a Matthew McConawhatsit for others (not sure why, just a shot in the dark with that one)...basically, I'm pretty sure everyone is a little gay for someone.
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Totally agree. Glee could learn a thing or two about good depictions of homosexuality from Teen Wolf. And loads of other shows could learn loads of other things about being an all-around kickass, well-written show, too.
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Also, I don't think Matt is the Kenima master. Something else has to be going on.

In the library episode, Matt was in there with the rest of them and he was injured.

Or are they going to say he faked it? And wasn't the whole idea that someone entered the teacher's car at that exact moment?



That is pretty much why Matt was ruled out earlier.



Also, when Styles and his dead were looking up at things earlier, they kept mentioning that Isac's father's brother was in the same class and DIED. He was mentioned several times and now since his dad is part of the "mysterious" connection of the whole group, why mention his brother at all?



I'm guessing that brother is the one who was murdered and is up for revenge. They probably drowned him or something.

Possibly Matt is like Lydia but I'm still not 100% sure about that.

I still think there's something seriously off there. Also, are we sure that Jackson in snake form and Matt were together in the end? Couldn't that be another hallucination?
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It was said that Isaac's brother died in combat. Doesn't that mean he died in war or something?
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I thought Isaac's dead brother was simply a red herring, just like the chemistry class thing was. In the real world there are certainly false leads, and despite its supernatural elements, this show has a hefty dose of realism when it comes to pretty much everything else.



But you make a good point about when Mr. Harris got in the car--it definitely looked like someone was in the back seat, and it couldn't have been Matt, as he was getting knocked out in the library. What if Mr. Harris is another weird red herring of some sort? Hopefully this all gets sussed out next week. [SPOILER ALERT] According to the previews, some major stuff with Matt will go down.
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I really hope mrs. Argent stays dead as I couldn't stand the character so for me this is no loss. And it makes for good television in a way because Allison will get conflicted. Scott should really tell her the truth about her family and how the are not very good people.
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You know he'll defend Derek and basically have to go "Hello, I've gotten run over by both your parents, your grandfather stabbed me and threatened to kill my mom, and then your mom tried to kill me and make it look like an accident!"
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I suspect he'll finally do so when Allison tries to kill Derek. Scott and Derek may not get along great, but they've definitely developed a working rapport that I don't think Scott wants broken or destroyed.



Plus, I also think Scott doesn't want to see Allison get sucked into the hunter world entirely; she's probably going to think Derek just attacked her mother, and Scott will have to convince her otherwise.
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I agree. It would definitely be interesting to see that too. I mean since the beginning Scott has been drawn to Allison and clearly her or her love is his "anchor" or whatever...but I'd like to see them actually at odds over something huge. I'd like to see him siding with Derek a bit more.
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Agreed. I think Derek gets a bit of bum rap from Scott...he's helped him a lot & tried to teach him wolfy things yet Scott seems to look on him as a strictly bad guy. Not that Derek's perfect by any means. Only his looks are perfect ;)
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Plus, if she is Scott's anchor, seeing what really happens when she's taken away from him could also be compelling. Man, these writers have set up lots of great possibilities for themselves.
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This episode was even better than last one!!!



I suspected the Argents would have some sort of code of honour, either they would kill their fallen soldier or the soldier (aka Mrs Argent in this case) would have to offer to end his/her life. Wasn't wrong (big grin) I didn't expect the scene would be so dramatic though. JR Bourne really sold it too...



- The twist about Matt was rather good actually!

- Yes I think Allison is going to change rather quickly and might become sort of unfriendly towards those from the lycanthropy persuasion...

- Derek is looking like a really cool character, hopefully he will not be sacrificed on the altar of dramatic suspense, at least not yet.

- I hope she's not gone for good... it could be awsome if she went after grand pa Argent LOL
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The theme of this show is "Do you think this'll hold me when I transform?"



Poor Mrs. Argent. I tried not to like her too much, but I did...and thus she dead now. Unless she's not. I'm sure they used a silver knife because that would make the most sense...right? I mean, their name means 'silver.' Yeah, they know what they're doing...



Price, you should've gif'd the stalker pics, and furthermore...eh, that's it, really. Fun stuff.



I really don't get the need for the psychotropic punch party. Was all that really necessary to distract Scott while Lydia walked up and knocked out Derek? All Scott would need are some pretty lights or maybe a long division problem, and he'd be out the way for hours. I may've said this before, but Scott's kinda stupid.



It's good to have Hale back and Derek beta'd down, but Hale had the worst smirk ever at the end of the episode. So if one of the Argents kills Hale, do the wolves just grow another Alpha? Either way, Derek was pretty bad at it, so it would be pretty lame to give it back to him. Maybe Isaac? That would be both stupid and interesting. I'd like that.
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"All Scott would need are some pretty lights or maybe a long division problem, and he'd be out the way for hours. I may've said this before, but Scott's kinda stupid."



ROFLMAO! Never gets old man. Never. While as you already know, I'm in concurrence with the fact that Scott could easily be distracted by anything shiny or Elementary math, I agree with my man Shivi down there. The hallucinations were great character insights. Jackson's plight with his parents' anonymity. Insightful. Stiles' deeply rooted guilt and self blame. Insightful. Allison's internal conflict and identity struggles.Insightful. Scott thinking with wittle Scott and further confirming why I both like him and cringe over his idiocy...Priceless. ; )
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What I loved about the psych hallucinations in this episode was that it didn't just serve for a distraction, but more importantly it was great CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT.
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Okay, that's my fault for not being clear. I get why TW did it (not character development, or at best 1/4 character development), but I meant to ask why Lydia did it, or why Hale made her do it.



As for TW doing it, that was obvious: eye candy. Character Development is the change of a character, or a change in their behavior or personality. A means, not an end. Scott, Stiles, and Jackson didn't see anything they didn't already completely know on a conscious level.



- Scott knew Jackson wanted Alison, and that he's a Kanima.

- Stiles already felt bad about getting his dad fired and being a total spaz who can't figure out to carry a giant birthday box in a door lengthwise. I mean...did he wrap the box in his car? How'd he get it through his own door?

- Jackson already knew that he didn't know who his parents were. According to his adoptive dad, it's a big reason why he's the way he's been since the show started.



These are things they knew, and these are things we knew. We also knew they knew.



Alison counts. Though I'd credit her mom's death and Alison's guilt over blowing her off that day for the bulk of the character development this week, it's likely that she didn't know that part of her hated herself for being weaker than she could be by now. Also, unlike the others, Alison is really the only one who's likely to do anything with what she learned from the punch trip.



So again, 1/4 character development, 4/4 eye candy (the math might be off on that). TW did it because they felt it was too soon to go back to the gay club, Danny left the hospital, and Jackson can only take so many high school showers.



Isaac got some good character development this week, but the rest of them could've used a session with the punch. Derek, Erica, Boyd...that could've been good. "There's.....no Doritooooooooos!!!"
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Some good points. One thing-- do we know that Jackson wanted Allison? The attack in the locker room I interpreted as not Jackson but actually Matt-- who controls him & who we know does want her.



And yeah it would've been interesting to see the rest of them with the punch...especially Derek. Would love to see what his hallucination would've been.
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I agree about Scott, but I feel like it developed the characters of Jackson and Stiles to know that these were probably the things they feared the most. Jackson facing faceless parents, and having something of an identity crisis, and Stiles father hating him.

And I agree 100% about Allison.
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Just remember that Lydia had planned the party before Hale "told" her he wanted to use her. Lydia cancelling an event that means so much to her probably would have raised lots of red flags on Allison, Scott, et. als radar. I agree that I don't really get why that whole plot line was important.
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v - I agree with some of this, but Scott worrying about losing Alison wasn't really something new that had just occurred to him. He's dense, but he was already worried about their status before he drank the punch, and for most of the time they were together the first season.



To me, it's really only character development if it's something new to them or to us, or something that makes them feel or behave differently. We pretty much knew everything they were worried about aside from Alison. I guess we could say the punch briefly intensified their worries and brought them to life, but I really only think it counts if this prompts them to do something with it or if it affects how they think.



As you said, Stiles already knows his dad can drink too much, so maybe if this causes him to watch over his dad more, I could count it, but we're not really seeing anything we didn't know, and I don't think Stiles saw it as some kind of revelation. I assume Stiles is going to continue to try to get his dad reinstated after the case is closed, but he was on that track already.



As for Lydia getting them high or even just drunk, I don't even get why the party was necessary on Hale's part. Lydia's supposed to be popular (the no-entourage kind of popular, I guess), but if she wanted them out of her way, all she had to do was...not have a giant party. From what I've seen, no one's ever eager to hang out with her besides Stiles, and even he has other things to do.
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I don't think character development has to mean "change." It has to mean giving the character more depth.



Someone above made a good point about Scott's hallucination. It demonstrates that he subconsciously knows that his "hold" on Allison is slipping; the Jackson/Kanima in his hallucination doesn't represent "hey, you know that Jackson's the kanima" so much as represents him losing her to something else--anything else--and what that might mean for him. Notice that he wolfed out when he saw it. She's his anchor, and if he loses her, he loses control over himself as a werewolf.



Similarly for Stiles, we're really starting to see what he fears his father will become. That scene was more than Stiles "feeling bad" that his dad got fired. It brought up some deep-seeded worries about his mother's death and his father's potential alcoholism (we've seen hints of this before) and Stiles' role in that. Clearly, beneath his goofy, funny exterior, the kid has some serious worries about his parents and his relationship with his father. One could make a similar argument about Jackson's hallucination.



So, to me at least, these moments did add development. Did they steer our characters in new directions or "change" them? No, of course not. But did they offer further insights into their psyches? Yes, I think so. And to me, that's effective character development through a plot point.



Now, as to the question of why in the hell Peter really needed Lydia to do THAT, I have no answer. Wouldn't just getting everyone super wasted so they weren't cognizant enough to see what she was doing have sufficed? You'd think so.
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WORD. I was as giddy as a kid with a lollipop when I seen that. I love little nuggest of character development. It all was so telling of each of it's characters...except Scott. His annoyed me. Oh Scott.
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EVERYONE JUMP IN THE POOL IT MAKES YOU MAGICALLY SOBER
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I want to see Mrs. Argent slowly heal, then rise out of the coffin during the funeral.
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She needs to stay dead. Bringing back Peter Hale cheapened death enough. Next thing you know Aunt Kate will be back and it'll be like TVD where dying only means that a character has no more lines in that scene.
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You are speaking my language man.
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I agree. Death becomes less important and frightening if everyone returns to life. Now, if a resurrection works like it did on Buffy, where there are terrible consequences and everything's not hunky-dorey, then it can work, but otherwise, count me out on the undead mamas.
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Right on. Buffy used resurrection sparingly & never without major payment due before & enormous consequences after. So it had real meaning.
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I thought this was the most intense and best episode of Teen Wolf so far! I had suspected Matt of being the Kanima master earlier this season but quickly dismissed the idea for the much more obvious candidate: the science teacher. Touch Teen Wolf. So they've apparently mastered the art of giving us expected unexpected and unexpected expected - if you catch my drift.



I love how they've slowly built this entire subplot the entire season thus far and it's only now coming to a culmination with Peter being awaken! We've all been distracted by the who's who in the Kanima world so much that I'm sure many of us barely even thought about Peter and Lydia. I know I constantly am like "oh yeahhhhh that's right!" every time they cut to a Lydia/Peter scene.. Sorta like I'm overly focused on the other storyline! Not to mention Mrs. Argent.. I honestly was expecting to shift right quick and go flying out the window before Mr. Argent knew what hit him. I was totally shocked when they actually went through with it! :O Whoa! Price is not gonna be a happy camper to say the least.
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from the previews for next week.. ugh see I knew the whole Mrs. Agent thing would add unneeded conflict between Scott and Allison. she should've just became a wolf and killed the grandfather..



when Stiles was looking at the swim team from 2006 in the yearbook, I could've SWORN it was Matt sitting on the floor in the front so the big reveal at the end didn't surprise me as much as it should have because the idea was already in my head. but I didn't think it was the teacher, that was way too obvious. I was actually kind of thinking it was Peter for a while tonight though, since the kanima 'master' was supposed to be dead.. but as soon as Matt was shouting "I CAN'T SWIM!" I knew what was about to transpire.
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I really tried to look and then examine the picture above, I just couldn't tell.
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I agree, I thought that guy in the photo was Matt. HOPEFULLY. I'm not sure what it would mean exactly, but I'm sure it would be interesting.
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I think we would all have loved to see Mrs. Argent turn wolfy and rage out on Gerard. At least by "all" I mean me.



Originally, I really wanted them to take the route where she becomes a werewolf and has to deal with being what she hates most, especially because that would have created great conflict between Chris and Gerard Argent. However, the hint I get is that this is going to drive Allison toward the hunter side of her (versus the I-love-a-werewolf side), and create some more interesting development for her. As much as I like Allison's character, she's really the least developed, and this plot will create so many new dimensions for her, so it's a smart move on the writers' part.
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It would be interesting to see how Scott deals with all of this. As big a doof as he is, it seems sometimes that he's the one really sticking his neck out for the relationship. It would be kind of refreshing if he told her "if feels like I'm the only one out on a limb here, for the sake of us. You keep trying to have it both ways, while I'm getting attacked and my mom is being threatened. I'm over this."
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It would be really refreshing. It seems (and I know I'm unfairly generalizing here) that the girl is usually the one who finds the relationship problematic and ends things. While Scott has kept things from Allison so far (like Gerard knowing he's a wolf and, oh yeah, her mom trying to MURDER HIM), and we may see his withholding that information as stupid, to him it makes sense. And you're right; he's the one who's gone out on a limb, getting himself and his family threatened for Allison's sake. Guy deserves a break.
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