Teen Wolf's Season 2 Finale: Body Shock (PHOTO RECAP)

Teen Wolf S02E12: "Master Plan"

Ah, summer flings. Is there another combination of words that conveys as much magic and possibility as that one? Who among us hasn't fantasized about spending our hottest months all swirled up inside a new, exciting, and painfully fleeting romance? That longing applies to more than just hook-ups, though. It happens with TV shows too! Say, for example, your really smart/awesome/attractive vampire-themed girlfriend or boyfriend went on hiatus for the summer and then one day at the recreation center you laid eyes on the hunky new lifeguard. (Because Teen Wolf is definitely a guy, let's be real.) And then you're like, "Okay fine, he's easy to look at. Might as well pass the time with someone who looks good. I'll try not to use big words."

But then before you know it this supposedly no-substance-having himbo is playing you Iron & Wine songs under the stars while fireflies dance around you, and then he's reciting Blake poems and showing you his photographs of Big Sur, and later he's helping your mom in the yard, and teaching your little brother the quadratic equation, and he's holding your hand when you walk by your mortal enemy Heather Malone and she's looking at you all jeal, and the fact that he barely ever wore a shirt all summer is not even your favorite thing about him anymore, and— Whoops! Now you're in too deep! You had low expectations and suddenly the person you thought you'd just pass the time with—a rebound, a surrogate, a consolation—is actually A TOTAL CATCH and now summer's over and even though your cool/hot boyfriend or girlfriend is coming back, OH LORD, THE HEARTACHE.

I miss you already, Teen Wolf.

Guys, "Master Plan" was a fitting finale for Season 2. It was terrific, basically. Not as much all-out carnage as I'd expected and/or feared, but that is fine! A relief, even. I like these characters so much that I'd be hard-pressed to find any of them expendable. To be honest I was still a little raw about Mrs. Argent's passing (via steak knife) and I don't know if I would've been able to handle another big death. The heart can only deal with so much. It is not a punching bag!

Okay, let's just do this.

"Master Plan" picked up immediately after the events of "Battlefield," in which Jackson had murdered himself and Stiles went missing. It's amazing that any of these characters could ever believe that death still exists for supernatural creatures, but here we were, loading Jackson's bodybag into an ambulance. For her part, Mrs. McCall definitely knew something was up and decided to ride to the hospital too. We had a real Jessica Fletcher on our hands!

The mystery of where Stiles had gone ended up getting solved right away when we saw Stiles get thrown into the Argent basement by one of the hunter goons. That's where he encountered a pair of bound and gagged baby werewolves and one particularly cantankerous old man.

Stiles correctly deduced that his abduction didn't make any dang sense, except as a terrorism tactic against his friends. He then incorrectly deduced that he—a star lacrosse player!—could beat up a super old man:

Poor Stiles! That growly, terminally ill (spoiler) old man really got the best of him!

Meanwhile in the locker room, Scott had applied a fresh coat of maroon body paint and was taking meetings with some of the grown-ups. First he tried to help Stiles' dad the best he could (without spilling supernatural secrets), then he promised Coach Crazycakes that he'd focus on bringing his grades up so that he could rejoin the team. But within seconds after everyone disappeared, a pair of werewolves showed up for a pow-wow! (That means "meeting" in archaic, politically incorrect Native American slang.)

There was a funny bit about how the casual reappearance of a murdered werewolf kind of threw everyone off their game, but the writers managed to keep everything on course by focusing on what was important: The Jackson threat needed to be DEALT with. By the way, if this episode was to be believed, the ghost of Peter conspired to get the teenagers to resurrect him so that he could then save the teenagers' lives? That's just helpful!

Back at the Argent home, Mr. Argent had had it up TO HERE with Gerard's foolishness and his own daughter's 'tude. It wasn't clear whether he knew Stiles was in the basement all beat up for no reason, or if he didn't even NEED to know that because he was already so mad at his family. Either way, these guys were being real drama kings.

Allison was being a real peach, too. The best was when she sassed Mr. Argent to buy her a new bow after he'd shot it out of her hands before she could murder her friends from school and he responded by destroying her crossbow. TOLD!

The thing about this episode was that so much happened that it essentially OMITTED a bunch of important connector scenes. This is not a complaint, but something I wish MORE shows did. In this case Stiles made it out of the Argent house and no explanation was given. Suddenly he was just back in his room and telling his dad that he'd gotten jumped by some angry lacrosse players NBD.

Because the Stiles-Mr. Stilinski relationship is the heart and soul of this show, it should go without saying that this hug was crazy-emotional and perfect. Is Sheriff Stilinski the best dad on TV since Coach Taylor? Discuss.

Meanwhile at the hospital Mrs. McCall was nosing around a certain dead teen's bodybag and discovered tons of ooze had pooled on the floor. Not only that, but a CHRYSALIS was forming around him! Icky! But awesome!

I don't know about you, but I love that Mrs. McCall is in the mix now. Her transition from no-nothing collateral to clever, curious minx is really satisfying! To my way of thinking, these shows only benefit from characters getting in the know. The more people who are on the same page, the better.

So anyway, obviously Jackson's body started convulsing. He clearly wasn't dead! I really liked when Scott made his mom zip up the body bag just when Jackson was getting all bitey. Was Scott hazing his mom or something? YOU do it, werewolf.

As for Jackson's chrysalis, we learned a bit more about Kanima physiology. The reason Gerard had forced Jackson to murder himself was to initiate some kind of metamorphosis into an Alpha Kanima. Based on Peter Hale's research (Werewolf Google), the Alpha Kanima was bigger, badder, and winged! We didn't get to see an image of it, but we saw the Hale bros pull up an animated .GIF of one and totally flinch. It probably looked unpleasant! Too bad we'll never find out what it looks like. (Spoiler.)

This was pretty great:

Lydia showed up in Stiles' bedroom! But just when we were wondering if his sudden lacrosse prowess had won her over or not, she immediately made it clear that she was there to figure out how to help Jackson. And while she didn't seem too fazed by all the expensive MACY'S gifts Stiles had purchased for her from MACY'S, she did seem pretty put off when he got up in her face about being a dummy for tempting danger so much.

Oh, Stiles. Fortunately just when he was feeling all low about messing up his chances with Lydia, Sheriff Stilinski reminded him that, hey, at least he was a star lacrosse player now.

And you know what? He was right. In real life Stiles would've ALREADY had his pick of the Beacon Hill ladies, but now he's even a jock? Forget about it. Install a turnstile in front of that boy's bedroom and move on.

Haha how much would YOU like wake up to that? Gerard woke up Allison with some kind of ominous tone, "It has begun." But it just made me laugh that Allison tried to go to bed with full knowledge that there were two werewolves chained up in the basement. Meanwhile I can't sleep if I know that my cats are wrestling each other for a rubber band. You know?

Oh, but anyway, the werewolves-in-the-basement issue was a moot point anyway because Mr. Argent totally freed them! That's right, after his tiff with Gerard, he was definitely Team Werewolf (temporarily!) at least until the Kanima thing was handled. And THAT is why Mr. Argent is such a great character. His moral code has now factored into both season finales, in both cases siding with monsters over his own family. Nice parallel!

So after Mr. Argent met up with Scott and Isaac to help sneak Jackson's body out of the hospital, they went to that old rave warehouse where Derek ran up in that ridiculous all-fours sprint that werewolves do. It seriously looked so silly! Even Peter Hale—watching from the shadows because of Mr. Argent, I'm guessing—rolled his eyes at Derek's saunter. But, guy, when YOU ran you looked like claymation on a budget, okay? Glass houses.

Anyway, after everyone had assembled to try and murder Jackson (but BEFORE anyone could order pizza), Derek suggested to Mr. Argent that Gerard had been controlling the Kanima. Mr. Argent was like,"Hey that's my daddy you're talking about, Mister!" But then, speak of the devil, guess who showed up?

A sad old man looking for a fight, that's who. And THAT'S when things turned into this elaborate Mexican standoff, but with monsters.

First Jackson awoke and attacked Derek.

Then Allison sprang out of nowhere and shot Isaac with a crossbow? Harsh! The world's prettiest gravedigger wasn't causing any trouble at all!

Then Mr. Argent got out his huge gun.

But the Kanima whipped it out of his hand!

Suddenly it turned into this big fight! Three wolves against one lizard.

It made me laugh how Peter just watched from the shadows. So I guess he didn't have werewolf powers anymore? Or was keeping his existence a secret from Mr. Argent THAT important?

Haha and then Allison ran out and targeted Isaac AGAIN. Dang, lady. She totally two-fist gutted him! No me gusta.

Just when she was about to go after a paralyzed Derek, the Kanima grabbed Allison and all was revealed:

Here goes! All season long Gerard had been conspiring to become bitten by Derek so that he could become a werewolf and it would cure his terminal cancer. Hence the pills. That's all there was to it! I don't know, I'm no great schemer, but do you think there was an easier way of going about getting bitten by Derek? Like, for instance, saying "Hey Derek, you're trying to build a pack. I want in." Or maybe pulling a Mrs. Argent (R.I.P. BB) and coming at him with a knife? Or maybe sneaking up on Derek when he was asleep in his abandoned subway car and sticking a finger in his mouth? I don't know. I just think that if it were me, I probably wouldn't spend weeks tracking and then coming into control of a secondary supernatural creature and also manipulating a handful of teens into helping my cause. It just seemed like a lot of work!

Anyway, Mr. Argent was not particularly stoked to hear about what a freak his father was. Especially when Gerard admitted that he'd stop at nothing—not even the deaths of his son or granddaughter—to get that bite. So then Scott was tasked with dragging Derek over like a werewolf puppet and biting Gerard's arm. (In exchange for that, Scott would have permission to date Allison? Whatever, gramps.)

So then he finally got what he wanted! A dozen puncture wounds and some supernatural drool.

Unfortunately, as is often the case in life, things didn't necessarily go according to plan.

Scott had double crossed Gerard and replaced his pills with Mountain Ash! The oldest trick in the book, basically. Next thing we knew, Gerard was a fountain of black goo in the shape of a geezer. Then, as he writhed on the floor clearly not lookin' so hot, he commanded the Kanima to "KILL THEM ALL!" before passing out pathetically. To its credit, the Kanima basically just gave him the side-eye and looked pretty over it.

And THAT'S when Stiles' Jeep BUSTED through the wall and slammed into the Kanima!

In another important Stiles scene that had been seemingly omitted, he'd somehow caught up with Lydia and they'd agreed to go burst into a warehouse and return Jackson's house key to him.

This was apparently the token of love between Lydia and Jackson. The thing that would remind him of his humanity and, according to Peter Hale, cure him of his lizardlike tendencies.

But THEN we got a flashback to explain the key's significance, and it was hilariously non-touching. Basically one time Jackson and Lydia did the dirty and he gave her a key so that she could come over whenever. I actually appreciated how basic this explanation was, because let's face it, this love affair between Jackson and Lydia had been pretty much retconned from what we knew about them previously. They were only ever really dating because they were popular and they didn't seem to like each other very much. Remember when Lydia made out with Scott for no reason in S1? Or when Jackson dumped Lydia in the most coldhearted way imaginable and she was more annoyed than anything? Yeah, so I'm not really buying that their love is one for the ages.

But Jackson sure did! And presto, his scales began retracting:

And THAT's when Derek and Peter Hale made their move! A double clawing. Front and back! I loved that Mr. Argent managed to be out of the room when this happened, right up until Peter Hale scurried back into the shadows.

Yeah, that's when Jackson died for what, the sixth time this season? Lydia cradled him in her arms and lowered him to the pavement while everyone stood around kind of shocked. Scott even held Allison's hand. Isaac was probably still chillin' on the floor trying to heal the kidneys that Allison stabbed. But yeah. Drama.

And that's when something amazing happened. Jackson finally turned into the werewolf he was meant to become in the first place! And I mean... WHAT A WEREWOLF:

I love you, Teen Wolf.

So yeah. Jackson was BACK. And front. Mostly front.

He'd been through a lot this season, but not as much as the people around him. So this reaction was pretty accurate:

Yikes, Stiles wasn't looking so hot here. But yeah the heartache was palpable. They were probably also frustrated by the fact that Gerard had run off somewhere. That's fine, go bleed your black goo in some alleyway, you old creep!

Speaking of heartache, it turned out Scott's promised relationship with Allison was only as long-lived as Gerard's lycanthropy. He was weirdly pathetic about it too, basically saying that it was okay that Allison wanted to dump him; he'd wait for her. Ugh, don't wait for her, Scott. She was the one who went psycho, okay? But, you know, I guess they have to have somewhere for this relationship to go next season, right?

Oh, right, these two! So after Boyd and Erica escaped the Argent basement, they ran around in the woods all night before finding themselves surrounded by a shadowy pack of werewolves!

Maybe those howls in the woods had been genuine after all! But again, no concrete answers as to what happened here. Consider it a cliffhanger!

Speaking of Season 3 setup, the next day we saw the vet out at the rave warehouse investigating the black goo alongside the guidance counselor lady.

They continued to speak cryptically about who or what they were exactly, but they seemed to be supernatural agents or investigators of some kind. And it definitely looked like they would be getting back into the swing of things soon.

Meanwhile we got a little more clarity on those werewolves that had surrounded Erica and Boyd in the woods. They were a pack of Alphas!

A whole PACK of alphas? Get ready, CGI team! While I'm not positive that is the most thrilling Season 3 threat (still holding out hope for a new species of creature), it definitely should mobilize and solidify the team of werewolves we already know, right? A battle could be a-brewin'!

The episode ended on a pleasant note, with Scott and Stiles enjoying an old-fashioned game of lacrosse catch. (Is that a thing?)

Scott noted that he was back to being single and benched, while Stiles reminded him that the main difference between now and before he became a werewolf was that he was now A WEREWOLF.

Those two! But yeah, a poignant closing scene. Just two friends spending time together after a truly insane few months. It capped off an impressive season that saw Teen Wolf grow leaps and bounds beyond what it originally was. But also—and not to sound like a regular Nikki Finke or whatever—this show will be moving its production to Los Angeles for a twice-as-long Season 3. The visual change may not be as jarring as, say, when The X-Files moved from Vancouver to Los Angeles, but the super-sized Season 3 means the show will extend into non-summer months and therefore possibly air at an earlier hour (before the target demographic's bedtime on school nights)? Which could have any number of effects on the substance of the show. Not to mention the fact a longer season opens up more possibilities for narrative wheel-spinning. Don't get me wrong, I definitely don't know these things will happen for sure. I'm not a scientist! I just loved Season 2 so much that I can't help but fret about possible changes. Oh well.

Golden Era of TV, folks. We're in it, and Teen Wolf is part of it. I realize that's a bold statement in an era of Breaking Bad and Louie, but hear me out. Someone took a run-of-the-mill teen show concept and turned it into an esoteric passion project. It's odd, unexpected, and thrillingly perverse. And while self-conscious cheese may not be everyone's definition of strong writing, you'd be forgiven for overlooking the incredibly strong and emotionally correct storytelling buried beneath. Like many prestige cable dramas, this show actually engages its characters on a human level which is why a simple hug or wordless assent feels as powerful here as a well-worded speech. And if we're talking originality, try and name even five dramas in history that have so casually and unashamedly featured its actors' physical aesthetics as a stylistic choice. And how many of those actors were men? Teen Wolf's saying there is no shame in beauty of any kind, just as there is none in shooting an exploding arrow tip directly into our brains' pleasure centers. True crowd-pleasing entertainment can be a fine art and in that genre Teen Wolf is the statue of David. (David worked out, right?)

That's all. I loved this season very much. Thanks to everyone who made it, and thanks to those who came here to talk about it with me.

BYEE!


QUESTIONS:

... Did YOU predict that Gerard wanted Derek's bite?

... Were you kinda-sorta expecting a higher body count?

... Okay, what is the DEAL with the vet and the guidance counselor lady?

... Not so much a question as an animated .GIF:


IN CASE YOU MISSED THEM...
Teen Wolf: Lacrosse to Bear (Season 2, Episode 11: "Battlefield")
Teen Wolf: Frownin' & Drownin' (Season 2, Episode 10: "Fury")
Teen Wolf: Werewolf Witchcraft! (Season 2, Episode 9: "Party Guessed")
Teen Wolf: Rave to the Grave (Season 2, Episode 8: "Raving")
Teen Wolf: Snake Snacks & Schisms (Season 2, Episode 7: "Restraint")
Teen Wolf: Up in the Club (Season 2, Episode 6: "Frenemy")
Teen Wolf: Scaling Back (and Neck) (Season 2, Episode 5: "Venomous")
Teen Wolf: Paralysis Analysis (Season 2, Episode 4: "Abomination")
Teen Wolf: Makeover Takeover (Season 2, Episode 3: "Ice Pick")
Teen Wolf: Crazy, Good, & Crazy Good (Season 2, Episodes 1 & 2: "Omega" & "Shape Shifted")
Comic-Con 2012: Teen Wolf Cast Q&A;
Comic-Con 2012: The Teen Wolf Cast Announces a Mega-Sized Season 3 Renewal
Teen Wolf: Season 1, Episodes 7-12 (Still To Come)
Teen Wolf: Howls, Growls & Towels (Season 1, Episodes 1-6)
What Teen Wolf Gets Right

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so does anyone have a guess what the blue eyes mean?
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Popular theories seem to be: a) depends on the person's human eye colour; b) depends on your werewolf status (Alpha, Beta, Omega); c) something unique about Jackson (e.g. Peter Hale or another werewolf or supernatural creature was / were his father / mother); or d) continuity error and they'll change it going forward.



Did anyone else notice that Scott's eyes seemed to turn red at one point (I think it was in the episode were he was being killed by Mrs. Argent)?



The music is the same as the X-Men opening (animated series).
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I waited until the end of season 2 and then watched Season 1 and Season 2 over the course of 5 days. But then I suffered from sharp, savage, withdrawal. So I read all the recaps, which helped. Then I read all the commends on the final episode. So now I am a bit (bit) more relaxed about having to wait a year for the next season.



A few comments on the two seasons and the Season 2 finale (I appreciate I am coming late to the party - much like the guests to Lydia's in s2e9).



1. S1 v. S2. Overall I thought Season 1 was a bit better. Some shows need a while to find their footing and they really improve over the first couple seasons. Yes, I'm looking at you Secret Circle (SC). I liked SC and wished it had gotten another season b/c it was really starting to hit it's stride by the end of season 1. Teen Wolf (TW) though started incredibly strong - good characters, interesting story, fast pace. With shows like that the second season almost never holds up. Even if it is good (and season 2 was good) it is hard to generate the same emotional impact. It will likely take another couple seasons before we hit a season where everything comes together and surpasses season 1, but I'm happy hanging out with seasons like season 2 in the meantime.



2. should creatures of the night be evil. There was a bunch of debate on this at one point. For me what counts are actions not states of being. I don't have a problem with the idea that you are defined by your behaviour (what you do) not your genetics (what you are). So you can have good werewolves and bad humans.



What I do find annoying, from time to time, is how readily "evil" actions are forgiven if the character is attractive, clever, and charismatic. Look at Damon in the Vampire Diaries (TVD) or Peter Hale in TW. Damon killed Elena's brother - knowing he wasn't wearing his special pinky ring. So he actually meant to kill him dead. He also killed Lexy (sp?) - Stephen's best friend for centuries. I don't care how hypnotic your eyebrows are, how many good one liners the show gives you or even if you could scrub laundry on your abs... if you murder my brother or my best friend I don't see how I can not see you as "evil".



Similarly, I think Peter Hale is well written and gets some great lines but he did tear Derek's sister (his own niece) in half and he tried to kill Derek several times. I admit that I am a bit more sympathetic to Peter. His entire family (well most of it anyway) was burned alive, he was effectively paralysed (and probably in pain) for 6 years (years!). So I can actually live with most of the revenge killings. I am still surprised Derek didn't kill him on sight though regardless of his knowledge (which is exactly what the vet warned Derek about).



3. Gerard's plan. I didn't find the plan as crazy as some people. I suspect that when you're dying, and especially if you have a long time to think about it, you may be open to options you normally wouldn't consider. Plus his daughter was just killed. So he had two good reasons to come to town: a) get revenge; and b) try to get bitten.



If you accept that he is willing to take the bite in order to live, then the plan makes sense. First, you would want to find a "weak" alpha. Alpha enough to give you the bite, but weak enough (e.g. young, inexperienced, and with no pack or a brand new pack) that you don't get killed trying to get the bite. Ideally you'd also want an Alpha you might be able to then kill so you become an Alpha yourself. Finally you'd want a cover story to explain what you're doing. Like say for instance your daughter getting killed.



Of course, when the plan started he didn't know about Jackson but that ended up working well. He couldn't use Jackson to kill Derek (at least not until he got the bite) but Jackson did give him some added leverage.



I only had 2 problems with the consistency of his behaviour. First, I don't think they needed to make him super evil / crazy. He doesn't want to die. That is a pretty solid motive. Where is the added value in "I'd kill anyone even my own son"?



Second, I don't see why he was so insistent in Mrs. Argent being killed. You would have thought that her being bitten would provide a perfect opportunity (coupled with Scott being such a swell guy) to plant the seeds that being a werewolf isn't so bad. That way when his family ultimately discovers what he's done they'd be more likely to be onside.



4. Stiles in the basement. I admit that how he got out and met up with Lydia is puzzling. That being said, holding him in the basement in the first place is understandable. Gerard has been relying on Scott throughout to feed him info. His hold on Scott comes from: a) offering up his grand daughter (classy); and b) threatening Scott's mother. Having Stiles tucked away in the basement would be an added layer of control over Scott. He'd want as much control over Scott as possible given how central Scott is to his evil schemes.



5. Where now TW? This goes back to the "evil" discussion above. If Scott is not "evil" having more or less mastered his werewolf side then where is the dramatic tension for seasons 3 and out? There are at least 2 approaches (not mutually exclusive over time).



The first is that Scott effectively becomes a slightly dim but morally sound werewolf super hero. He is basically Buffy (since we all know Buffy's abilities came from demon blood being infused into the Slayer line). By the way, Buffy is the best show of the genre - past, present, future. Just deal with it. So Scott uses his powers to fight the good fight. Only problem is there is no hell mouth in town so it might be hard to justify why everything is happening in this town (town, city, it is hard to say sometimes - maybe there is a hell mouth...).



The second is that being a werewolf is more complicated then it looks. So Scott has gotten past the first hurdle of not turning into a blood crazed killing machine. Maybe it's not that easy though. They could set it up so that every time Scott suppresses the wolf it gets harder and harder. They did something like that in Being Human. The first two seasons took place during such a short time that there may still be a lot Scott (or even Derek) still don't know.



6. Miscellaneous. a) I thought Peter's expressions during the final fight were hilarious. He'd peek around something and make a face at what a sh*t job Derek was doing in the fight. b) Derek climbing that equipment just so he could drop 2 feet on Jackson was the most set up for the least pay off of any action sequence all season. c) Is the opening song in TW the same intro music they use for the animated X-Men show? d) like everyone, I love Stiles, but I think they are using him exactly the right amount now. I hope they don't overuse him to the point where he becomes a parody of a really excellent character. e) I have not noticed any gay vibe between Derek and Stiles. I don't have a problem with the idea conceptually but in practice I think it would be such a lightening rod it couldn't be good for the show. Plus I am barely interested in Scott and Allison as a couple so I really don't want to spend a lot of time on other "couples" of any sort. f) I agree with the comment that a little "filler" wouldn't hurt next season. These are likeable characters and I'd be ok just spending some time with them even if it doesn't advance the plot or even character development. The first two seasons were a bit of a sprint so I'd be cool with jogging once in a while.
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One point I forget (despite the length of the original post). Now that Peter is back, can Scott kill him to be cured?
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Still waiting for the Season 1 recaps for episodes 7-12. Just saying.
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So 20 years from now, who do you think will be the big screen star who everyone talks about having gotten his/her big break on TEEN WOLF? I think it will be Holland Rolland.



Your thoughts?
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My bet's on Dylan O' Brien. He's great at what he does which is why I love Stiles. Plus he's got massive potential to play a whole range of characters.
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I think it'll be Holland Rolland or Colton Haynes. Both have displayed outstanding talent in my opinion. They have a way of sorta stealing the scenes, they always get my attention whenever on screen.
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I think it'll be Posey. Even though he's the lead, he's often overshadowed by his more outlandish teammates, and he's okay with that because it benefits the show. His character is 100% believable, even in the midst of plotholes, and the way he plays Scott allows the other cast members to kick it up a notch. I think we'll find over the years that other actors love to play with Posey, and that he will match an amazing versatility of roles.
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Dylan O'Brien, without a doubt. But I think Tyler Hoechlin & J.R. Bourne are also deserving of extra exposure. Wait that sounded dirty...
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You know, I wanted to say Dylan O'Brien - but he is doing such an awesome job as Stiles, I fear he may never be able to fully break free of the character. I hope he does. I just think Holland Rolland is just always interesting to watch when she's on screen. Beautiful!
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I think Dylan O'Brien already did some indie movie for sundance....
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He did, alongside Britt Robertson (Cassie Blake from TSC) and also Victoria Justice. I heard the movie was received really well and that Britt and Dylan were praised in their roles, especially Britt Robertson.
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http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2012/08/teen-wolf-season-3-spoilers-what-to-expect-from-showrunner-jeff-davis.html



Some good info about our favorite show!



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That was great. Thanks for sharing it.
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Before I open this link, I would just like to know what kind of spoilers are in there? If it's anything big I'd prefer not to read it. But if it's not gonna ruin anything, then awesome!
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No big spoilers in my opinion. Jaff Davis is really uptight. Things like: Yes, there is a reason for that, yes, they will be alive at the beginning of the first episode,, etc etc...
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lol nice! I'm pretty uptight about spoilers too, so I respect that. Thanks for letting me know!
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I hear ya! I'm dubbed "the spoiler nazi" by the family. lol
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Oh I seriously want a MacBook Pro!
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serious question - is this show actually any good? I know it has it's fans but it just looks like a teen fad to me kinda like Buffy and Angel were in my teen days but sometimes those shows were capable of quality and depth. Is Teen Wolf aimed mainly at teenagers to lust over its stars? And if so is it capable of a depth and quality worth watching it for like Buffy and Angel were sometimes able to achieve?
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It is a great series.. It is sort of a teen show but many viewers are not. This show has had so many reviews and all have been great. The first season is just epic.. Me and my older brothers watch it and they are in their late and early twenties..
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It is actually very good, and I was very surprised. I did not watch the first season when it ran, I just thought it was stupid (thinking that while I liked the movie when I was 8 but even then thought it was dumb) and then thinking that the show is just exploiting the Jacob fan audience from Twilight. Then, randomly, I watched the Origins show which was kind of (turns out) very cursory overview of the first season and I was curious. I watched the first season and I was hooked. You can definitely see the Buffy influence in the show (which is even more apparent in the second season) and that a lot of the story is allegory. It isn't exactly like replace typical high school struggles with supernatural things like in Buffy, it is more of a, well, and people will yell at me for this, but it is sort of like a Greek heroes tale. Sometimes, yes, especially in the first season, it catered to the fact that the cast is very attractive, but then in the second season, it kind of turned meta on its self (I mean, really, when we saw any guys shirtless in the second season, someone's life was about to be put in danger).
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I gotta admit, at first I decided to check this out as something to pass the time while waiting for a new season of TVD. But once I watched the first episode, then the second, then the third and so on, I got hooked. It's surprisingly good for a show on MTV. Every week, it manages to surpass my expectations. It might actually be this generation's Buffy or Angel.
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The fact that I am in the generation of Buffy and now I'm watching TW makes me feel either lucky or old...
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I don't think that I've watched Buffy before. A lot of people say that it's good but I tend not to watch shows before the 2000's.
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I know the feeling..
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That's the exact same reason that I started watching!
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To answer your question simply: Yes. It isn't just capable, though, it proves itself week after week that it actually DOES put out quality content. Give it time though. This show didn't nab me until about the 4th episode. By the end of season one I was dying for more!
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Teen Wolf is definitely a show with depth. And I think this is made very much evident by the amount of discussion it generates. While Teen Wolf does seem to go overboard on occassion with the shirtless guys and glamor-like video set-ups, Season 1 and much of Season 2 was a constant thrill-a-minute. It is also not simply a show about werewolves as some have erroneously suggested. Teen Wolf has done amazingly well with also being a show about teenage, young-adult, adult AND elderly ANGST. Come to think of it, Teen Wolf kind of has a BACK TO THE FUTURE vibe going for it: mostly great writing, fun characters and extraordinary events impacting ordinary lives. Do check it out!
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I don't know that the amount of discussion is actually a very good indicator. TVD generates as much discussion, often about how it avoids depth (and acknowledging certain specific issues/events) like the plague. I think all successful supernatural teen shows/movies/books generate a lot of discussion, and the really successful ones generate fanfic.
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While I agree that the number of comments generated by a photo recap neither validate nor invalidate a show. TSC generated over 1,000 comments for one of their episodes of which at least half of them were people simply stating the number of comments they had at the time.



But I disagree about TVD. It's a top notch show, period. Price decided to complain about the fact that they didn't delve into slavery and everyone decided to make a fuss about it. Just as I said then, I'll say it now: who cares!? What benefit would they have had by doing such a thing? They were smart to pussyfoot around that because A. on a show about vampires today, it's neither here nor there and B. all it would have done is created a bunch of negative energy on the show. Toward supposed slave-owners and blah blah.



What show in their RIGHT mind would do that to themselves? A show about slavery or civil rights, yes. Any other show, completely impertinent.
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Lol I wasn't able to read the whole message and won't be able to fully respond either because I'm using my iPhone, but I will get back to you later. Thanks for elaborating with great detail. From what I read I think I much better understand your disposition here.
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I don't! I'm trying to understand how other people view this shit. But they work to help the white werewolves anyway. And Boyd submits (or used to before he left) to a white alpha. I wouldn't have ever even noticed this crap.
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How do you see the vet and the guidance counselor as submissive? I don't see that at all.
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All I know is Minor Threat was way ahead of its time.
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I don't know maybe you're right and they really are racist. Who isn't these days? Come to think of it, all the black characters on Teen Wolf play a submissive role. Maybe their writers are racist too.
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Ok fair enough. Rapid story progression is not a quality. So is slow progression a quality? Of neither of them? Don't worry about the English stuff, I understand. And maybe you're right and I'M the one who was misusing the word! Who knows.. By the way, if good acting is not a quality then I don't know what is anymore. We can agree to disagree on what defines the qualities of a show then.



As far as the slavery issue goes, apparently I confused you with some other users here who definitely did advocate it. I didn't mean to put words in your mouth. I didn't realize that you were in agreement with me on that! But in my defense, it sure didn't SEEM like you were. I guess the only time I've seen Bonnie submit to anyone was with Klaus. There was a time where she actually seemed MORE powerful than the Salvatores. She agreed to help them at times but it never struck me being sorta like peasant submitting to her master. Back in 1864, however, yes I can see that it was like that. I guess the difference between us is that I never viewed Bonnie as a slave to the vampires. So, you think that TVD is sending the message that black people must submit to white people? I never got that notion but that's me. Perhaps this came from the books? (I never read the books) It is what it is? So is the solution to make Bonnie, being a witch, the headmaster and the Salvatores should submit to her? I don't know, that seems unrealistic. Maybe Bonnie should have been white or just not a witch? But if she wasn't a witch well then she definitely wouldn't have ANY power and in a situation like that she'd be all the more submissive. Sounds like a catch 22.
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The movie Inglorious Basterds didn't "address" concentration camps. Why? Because everybody knows they existed. It didn't pertain to the story. Do you think that Quentin Tarantino did Jews all over the world some great injustice by "not going there?"
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I merely alluded to the fact that it's a quality show, the term "top notch" in no way insinuates absolute perfection. At least not in this universe. The show is good because of its characteristics. It has real tangible qualities such as good acting and rapid story progression. Things that happen in four episodes would constitute an entire season for basically any other show. I'm pretty sure these are considered good qualities. Does it have flaws? Of course! What show doesn't? But nobody was arguing its supposed story writing flaws! If you don't like the writing, fine! If you dislike things like this, great! But none of this was in debate!!



What WAS, however, being debated was the alleged slavery issue. I say it's irrelevant to the premise of the show. You say it's not only relevant, but NEEDS to be addressed. EXCUSE ME for not seeing how you could possible end up at that deduction. Ok, so let's hear it. I wanna hear how YOU think it should have been addressed? How many episodes should it have taken? Should the rest of the storylines at the time been put on the backburner? Which characters do you think should have been affected? Were we supposed to end up hating the protagonists at the end of it all? What sort of message do you think the writers would be trying to convey, and what about their motive behind it? Are we to conclude something we all know: that slavery is bad? I mean, c'mon let's hear it! I honestly would like to how any of this pertains to a show about two vampire brothers being in love with a girl
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That's debatable. I mean, people argued, yes, and I was sufficiently outnumbered. But just because I stopped responding doesn't mean that my thoughts on the matter were totally refuted. What it comes down to in the end is a matter no longer about facts or logic, but emotion. Typically, arguments then, in situations like that, become based on fallacies..even mine own arguments are susceptible to failure based on my own opinion. By that point the actual facts have already become utterly irrelevant. I try - and fail a lot doing so - to stick to actual facts here. Those being partially mentioned in my previous comment, but were tainted by my own opinion and bias. If logic and reason are truly out the door then it's a completely pointless discussion; henceforth, the reason I gave up arguing.
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I feel that other people sufficiently eviscerated your argument then, so I don't feel the need to tell you why you're wrong now.
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This is nothing substantive...but, I really hope that with the split season next year that the summer part is longer and the winter is shorter (even just like six episodes in the winter over the winter hiatus of a lot of other shows other than all the USA and ABC family shows that are having their "summer" finales in the coming week. Basically because, while I really like Grimm...I have missed my Teen Wolf this week (I do give kudos to Grimm though, we got a kick ass woman (Mom, who is not a total replacement but seems to me to be a cross between the two Argent parents) and a hot guy shirtless scene) and my friend's Netflix is really slow in coming and she is still on the first season, so I have had no real discussion of the show since last week.
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I'm with you! Missing Teen Wolf - but looking foward to the break giving the writers and producers plenty of time to put together an awesome Season 3!
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I already re-watched the entire first season twice. I've seen the first half of the second season twice as well.. I want to keep watching but I've refrained so as to avoid getting sick of it. I hate that! I was sincerely hoping that a 24-episode third season would signify an earlier start date. :( So sad. I guess it's time to shift gears and start waiting around for TVD!
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http://www.ohyesiam.com/2012/08/teen-wolfs-stiles-could-be-bisexual.html



Interesting...
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who cares!
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I just find the whole notion and speculation of these two characters taking the next "big step" so-to-speak, an evolutionary concept..even in this so-called modern era. A show as successful as Teen Wolf may or may not survive having two primary and hugely popular characters pursue a romance of a nature that some still consider very controversial. The show's creator, Jeff Davis, is reportedly an out and proud gay man, and I certainly hope he finds the courage to bring more of the very real aspect of his life experience to the often amazing fantasy world of Teen Wolf.
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If you care so much about evolutionary concepts then let's talk about a show where two gay characters realize they're straight and fall in love with someone of the opposite gender. How's that sound? I don't mean to sound the alarm here but let's get real here for a moment! "Wait just a darn minute, that's offensive!" Ahh is that so? Talk about some double effing standards.
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You're dreaming man.. Not to mention reaching! What you see between Stiles and Derek, two characters that are NOT gay, is not only not there but it's as far from there as it could possibly get. Teen Wolf is about werewolves not gay people. The sooner you get over that fact the sooner you can enjoy the show for what it is.
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LOL I didn't know you were also a fan of community saf. touche! we may disagree on a few matters here and there but I must say you have good taste!
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The scene described is funny, not sexy. There's nothing there. I think Jeff Winger said it best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97jKTZLVLkA
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http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2012/08/teen-wolf-scoop-the-sterek-scene-between-stiles-and-derek-that-you-didnt-see.html

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Stiles might be bisexual, but I have never seen this supposed chemistry with Derek. To be fair, this is far from the first ship I just don't get. I'm often oblivious to the supposedly obvious pairings that shippers obsess over.
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Thanks Mey for being sensible along with stanking and me. lol Geez! Anyway, it's a bummer we have to wait so long for next season :( What are we gonna do!?
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That's because they're not gay. This conversation is ridiculous LOL does nobody else SEE that!?
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Curious - and maybe this has been addressed by someone else: but Matt's hand never really touched the Kanima's as his door window closed when the Kanima came a calin. And why didn't Allison's mom heal from the stab wound? She already had some wolf in her.
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I thought that too about Alison's mother, in fact, I didn't get swept up in the emotion portion of that scene in the hospital because I kept watching the sheet (and even the camera took a position from inside that room that I felt sure we would see something). With Matt, I think the hand touching wasn't totally necessary (in fact, I was curious if it was bad before the person became the master and Gerard might have become paralyzed) but it is the eye to eye connection.
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OK-I don't know who it should be, but they need to work in a gay storyline in TW.
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They should include Danny more in the story. He's just way too awesome to pass up.
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Ok now THAT I can definitely agree with! He IS pretty much awesome.. And he's been TOTALLY cool about Jackson despite his bizarre and often times a-hole-ish behavior. lol
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I doubt they would just do a "gay" storyline to do one, but I would imagine that Danny might be a bigger role next year, just because of this...um, come on, he watched that recording and then Jackson attacked him (what was up with that? just because he might have known, I wouldn't think Matt cared about that one), Scott was all suspicious and then Jackson is warning him? That is all very suspicious behavior to me, then, on top of that...he likely isn't as nice as we want to think he is, because, well, Jackson is his best friend....
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Whoa! But everybody likes Danny! I mean he's the nicest guy in the whole town! He's basically like Matt on TVD. He can do no harm lol. Maybe you can chalk all that up to him just being completely oblivious? His friendship with Jackson probably just goes back many years.
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Well, I think they have already set the stage for a passionate romance to eventually develop between Stiles and Derek. And then there is Danny. Awesome possibilities await us in Season 3. ;-)
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The only person that I see Stiles falling in love with is Lydia instead of Derek. Sure, they've had their moments that can be misinterpreted as sexual chemistry but I just see a strictly platonic friendship between them.
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They must have set this stage in an episode that played ENTIRELY IN YOUR HEAD! The only person Stiles has evinced any interest in is Lydia. He wants to be attractive to all people, but anything else you're just making up.
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LOL finally a little sense here! I'm starting to wonder where all this absurdity came from.. Hi, I'm earth. Have we met? lol
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Disagree. Doing that just for the sake of doing that is the epitome of propaganda. I don't like media propaganda...of any sort. It's all so one-dimensional. You got served.
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Yeah, there's already a TV-vehicle for that message. It's called "Glee". The brilliance of this show is that it DOESN'T start with "Tonight on a special episode of Blossom..."
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Haha yeah there is some truth to that. But I'm sick of TV shows becoming a platform to spread whatever propaganda agenda the man sees fit at the time. I want to watch a good show that can exist on its own merit and not depend on some subliminal message it's trying to send. People care more about the message than the actual content now. That is why TV and Movies are starting to suck so badly.
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1. I had no idea that he wanted the bite. Maybe it was because his agenda was all over the place. Obviously I get that he had cancer and didn't want to die, but wasn't he a werewolf hunter? Usually, hunters hate the things that they hunt so why would he become something that he loathes? I figured he would've prefer to die first before becoming a monster.

2. Yeah I was. I thought Jeff Davis said that one person was gonna die in this episode. Jackson died but he came back so that didn't count.

3. Maybe they are supernatural agents or another kind of hunter. Or they're the knowledge keepers of anything supernatural. Maybe they keep supernatural secrets away from humanity in order to keep humans safe. I'm hoping this gets explored and revealed in Season 3.

4. I have nothing to say to that...



Notes:

- Poor Stiles. First he gets kidnapped then beaten up then he gets crushed by the love of his life. Can't he ever catch a break?! Oh wait, he is a star lacrosse player now but still something good needs to happen to him. I've grown much more sympathetic for him in this last ep.

- I still think that bringing Peter back wasn't a good idea. What's his purpose now? What does he add to the storyline? He's not an Alpha anymore like he was in Season 1. But he still might have that murderous streak in him even though he's not an Alpha so maybe the gang might have to kill him again next season. That sounds repetitive.

- I really hope that they don't kill Boyd and Erica all because if they killed them off, then it was useless creating the characters in the first place. I don't know about Boyd but I feel like there is a lot of potential, story-wise with Erica. If they'd take advantage of that potential, then they could develop Erica into a great character.

- Still holding out hope that Lydia and Stiles would become a couple.

- Felt kinda bad that Allison and Scott broke up. But they've got too much to deal with the aftermath of what happened and I hope that Allison reverts back to her old self and seriously think about what she'd done and what she tried to do. She needs to work on herself and properly grieve for her Mom before getting back with Scott.

- Hope Sheriff Stilinski finds out about the supernatural happenings around Beacon Hills next season. Oh and he is the best Dad ever on TV since Keith Mars.

- Gerard's reasoning behind his actions were a little underwhelming to me. He had cancer so he wanted the bite by doing all those terrible things? I expected something much more earth-shattering than that but whatevs.

- I really don't believe that Gerard can make it out alive when he just threw up a large amound of black goo. He wasn't that great of a villain compared to Alpha Peter last season. So was kinda hoping that he had died.



Overall, a great episode for a crazy season. I remember watching this show from the start and not expecting much out of it but over time, it just kept blowing me away with its plots and storylines. It became much more better than I ever expected it to be. Teen Wolf became such a great show that it landed in my top 10 favorite shows of all-time. Don't know if the move to LA for production will affect the show that much but I would've preferred it if they'd stayed in Georgia. But the move makes sense since the fictional town of Beacon Hills is set in California and continually seeing fog and rain in BH kinda ruins the believability of the show's fictional town for me.
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um uh no
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Yeah, I already flagged it as hate speech.
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hate speech? I mean it's totally erroneous, exaggerated and in many ways incorrect. but it's a FAR cry from hate speech..
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To stanking, I'm intrigued by your objection to the use of the word lame as an insult. I don't think you're wrong it just caused me to think so I wanted to mention it. The thought I keep having is that, I have seen "gay" used as a personal identifier, people proudly proclaim that they are gay, so using the word gay as a negative descriptor is definitely insulting to anyone who is. But I've never heard of "lame" being a proud personal identifier before. idk maybe it's just because in my house we only used the word lame in describing injured animals and not people so I just never perceived it as having to do with people. (which I realize is not historically accurate.)
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@stanking Yeah in fact the Swiss bank accounts are what they're MOST famous for I would think. If I had money to hide that's where I would put it haha
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lol so THAT's why the comment was removed?
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Interesting. The censor allows the derogatory use of "gay" and "lame" but not the "r" word describing those whose mental processes are slowed. At least it caught that one.
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Thx, Mey. Yeah, when I read anything that automatically assumes "gay" is synonymous with "wretched crap", I consider that speech intended to show hatred of a group of people. The derogatory use of "lame" and "retarded" belong in the same category.



Oh, and they make really good airtight bank accounts. Forget the Caymans, hide your money in Zurich.
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lol it's ok! Oh yeaaaaah! How could I forget about Swiss chocolate!? Such a small country with so many good things :D
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I deduced that right away but I was asking rhetorically. But thanks for trying to clear that up anyway! I like Switzerland. They make really nice clocks and watches. :) haha
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Actually shocked at some of these people not understanding the episode and its plot.



Everybodys saying that nothing came out of Gerard kidnapping stiles... Why did he let him go? I was under the assumption that Chris Argent released him.



Why didnt Gerard just ask Derrick for the bite? This one is Silly. Umm he's an Argent. duh. Also he's like every crazy villain... He wanted POWER. He just didn't wanna become a werewolf he wanted to become the ALPHA. Regular wolves have no chance in a 1 on 1 with the Apha he's too strong for Betas. The reason he needed the Kenima was so he could paralyze Derek so he could actually kill him to become the Alpha.



Also alot of people are not happy that nobody died this episode....Also is weak. Would you rather have it like TVD where someone basically dies every week?? When you have a show like that nobody cares when someone dies because it happens so often. I like that teen wolf actually develops characters so you get attached to them. This way when someone dies its MEANINGFUL. Like Mrs Argent everybody loved her and did you see the reaction for her when she died? After the finale i was thinking that if some had died who would i have wanted it to be? i was like Erica..no not Erica...Issac then.. No No not Issac... lol Thats whats awesome about this show your invested in the characters so when someone does die it kinda sucks!!!



The finale without the death was still so entertaining... Wondering if Peter was goona backstab Derek...Was Derek was gonna die....Would we see the Alpha Kenima? ... Alpha Pack...



Not to Mention when the brawl started and the Intro music started playing i was yelling at my tv screen......KICK HIS A..!!!!



Anyways my point is the finale was awesome. on a scale of 1 - 10... i would say it was a 8.. Come on Season 3!!
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That made sense because we see Stiles yelling at Lydia that if she were to die, it would hurt others more the same way he was beaten to punish Scott. Gerard had actually threatened to kill him but since he isn't dead we can assume he had to give out the information to keep himself alive so he could spare Scott's heartache at the sight of him being "bloodied and beaten to pulp" and that's why he doesn't feel like he is a hero.
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I had the same confusion about Stiles being kidpanned and then I found this



"Gerard explained exactly why he kidnapped Stiles.



He needed to know where the warehouse was so he could be there when Scott arrived with Jackson. He couldn't get the info out of Erica and Boyd because they're bound to their Alpha. Stiles isn't.



That's what Stiles meant when he said he wasn't a hero. He broke. He told Gerard where the warehouse was. That's how Gerard and Allison were already there when Scott, Isaac, and Jackson arrived."
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That reading seems problematic. There was no plan to go to any warehouse at all before Stiles was kidnapped, so how could he have given Gerard that information? If for some reason he'd have done it after he was released/got away, why would he do that? It just seemed like a cheap way to build tension between the penultimate episode of the season and the finale.



I agree with ral4884 on most of the rest here; I'm glad there was no major death--it's become a bit of a cliched way to make a finale big and exciting and memorable. Not having many major deaths certainly makes them more impactful.



I'm just still confused as to how they just let Gerard get away (if they did; it's possible they just didn't show us them finding his body, which would be fine).
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THE DEATH THING.

YES.

JUST YES.

The whole mentality that some needs to die is silly. Look at real life: are you only every emotional about life, or is there only ever tension, when you suffer the loss of a friend of family member? NO. I don't understand the idea that people need to suffer a loss in shows just to kick-start an emotional storyline for them. It WORKS, it's effective, but it's not the only thing needed to introduces tension. AND the same goes for shocking the audience, or teasing them, or raising the stakes. Death isn't the beacon of dark times or conflict or war, not always. I think it was smart of this show to just not go there. "We're killing off the lizard, a'ight?" "AWESOME."
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It's not that death is necessary in shows. It's that death is necessary in shows about MONSTERS. What irritates me about these shows is that suddenly all these supernatural creatures are romantic heroes and not creatures of the night like they were meant to be. I blame twilight. Also, Anne Rice. It is right and proper that there be at least one death per episode in TVD.
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Do you believe werewolves exist? I'm asking because your irritation with the show only makes sense to me if you believe that this misrepresentation of "monsters" is going to lead others to become friends with monsters that would kill them. I guess I just don't get why you have a problem with mythological creatures being written as heroes?
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Ugh.. I don't know what I want to do here. Damn it. Okay. Yes I was totally rude and condescending to you. 100% I admit I was a total a-hole. I apologize for hurting your feelings. I would only ask that you re-examine your own posts and see if you think they are without any sarcasm or condescencion because I have to say I have felt defensive since your first foray into this discussion.
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Art is more than just painting, photography, and sculpture. Filmmaking is art. Music is art. Literature is art. Storytelling is art. Consider that in addition to the "art department" at a university, there is a "school of fine arts", which contains many departments, all of which are forms of art (though fine arts are not the only arts).
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Safibwana Thank You for the info on tvtropes.org I went and checked it out, very cool.
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I guess that definition of art is a little weird but for me a piece of art is something I stand back and admire and a piece of literature is something dive in into, so to speak. Idk I guess for me it's just all about the story.
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I like that, "Cursed with Awesome" Very Apt. : ). I was thinking more about this whole discussion and I keep thinking about the definition of art. and I've decided that I consider tv shows to be pieces of literature and not art. TV shows, movies, video games, they are just audio / visual formats for storytelling. And for me stories are all about the characters and the choices they make. Teen Wolf for me is a story about a kid trying to discover what it means to be human, and how much he is willing to sacrifice to do what's right.
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Rosa, this trend that you like and I hate is a recognized trope on tvtropes, called "Cursed With Awesome", if you go to tvtropes.org and search for that phrase, you will find lots of stuff in all forms of media that drives me crazy that you will like.
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Really Mey?"Why is it so important that they are portrayed " as creatures of night"." Because that is what they are. Werewolves don't exist they aren't anything! I get that these stories were once used as cautionary tales about the dangers of the night and dangers of men who roam the night. If you want to watch a show that is still sending that message check out one the thousands of crime shows that deal with real people who are really dangerous. Most rational people know that werewolves don't exist so for us the werewolf becomes a metaphor for otherness, and sending the message that all people of a certain "otherness" are dangerous or evil, is wrong.
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The point of subverting a trope is surprise and originality. When it becomes the new normal, you lose the point of doing it altogether. How does this happen? Within a generation, people are unfamiliar with the original reference material, and monsters are teenage superheroes with relationship problems. Let's face it, basically, these guys are Wolverine from X-Men, not werewolves. Basically, you're asking "why should I understand what I'm watching?" Basically, you're asking, "what is the point of understanding art?"
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"It is a problem when you make creatures which existence in folk lore as ominous threats to our kind dates back to the first signs of humanity as socialised as any dude with a 41K. That is not what these creatures are in essence. " Again I ask why, why does it matter (if they are represented differently than in the past) if it's folk lore? Because the only thing these creatures are in essence is fake!
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"What irritates me about these shows is that suddenly all these supernatural creatures are romantic heroes and not creatures of the night like they were meant to be." THAT quote is one I am questioning, why is there this loyalty to the idea that supernatural creatures must be the villains of the story? Do you just have so much loyalty to storytellers of old who made up the stories in the first place? Why is it so important that they are portrayed " as creatures of night".
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I learned a long time ago to get over the idea of dangerous creatures becomming heroes in movies/TV shows/books. And with Teen Wolf, I honestly don't know if this is just bias, because I do have big love for the show, but I feel like they don't romanticize it too much. In TVD, in Twilight, Anne Rice novels, they romanticize the whole concept of BEING a supernatural creature, like there's some beauty to it, like it's romantic to have someone suck your blood. While the marketing for Teen Wolf can suggest otherwise, I honestly don't feel the show itself has ever done anything in the vein of saying "Werewolves are hot." The GUYS are hot, the actors playing these characters are obviously not difficult to look at, but the werewolves themselves...I feel like even though they're not as dangerous as they maybe could be, they're definitely not beautified, pristine creatures. We get something ugly, and animilistic, as werewolves should be.

And the death thing...death has occured in the show. Derek's entirely family died, even if it was in the past, and we had the massacre at the police station. What I like is that, apart from Victoria's death, they haven't killed off anyone of MAJOR importance yet. Victoria has probably been THE biggest loss, and she wasn't even one of the most prominent characters. Teen Wolf does death, but it doesn't do it - or it hasn't yet done it - to the extent most other shows do. "A main character died. NOW it's serious." I feel like, however realistic main character deaths may be, a lot of the time it's a just device used to say "We're not joking around." And Teen Wolf doesn't feel the need to do that. They may yet kill off someone we've grown to love, but they're taking their time getting to that point. They have other tactics to build tension.
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I totally understand where you're coming from on this one.. But it's hard to blame any series for doing that. I mean, Twilight was really four books that had a pre-determined ending; conversely, the goal of a series is to go as LONG as possible before ending or getting canceled.
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Yeah! I would give it higher than an 8 but regardless of that you're right! I don't get why people complain about the supposed lack of deaths anyway. I mean Matt died in the previous episode and Gerard is either dead or will be soon. How many more deaths are needed? Personally, I think it's a cheap, easy cop-out for a series to resort to death just to spice up the emotional factor. It's a super easy way to get a good rating for an episode.



And yeah TVD does tend to do that a lot.. They introduce a character for a couple of episodes and then BAM! dead. It does get old because it becomes predictable. The show introduces characters JUST so they can be killed off shortly thereafter. That's overrated.
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So rewatched the first couple eps from this season. Noticing a few interesting things in hindsight. First, I had forgotten how upset Jackson was when Lydia was attacked at the end of the first season. He carried her back from the field to get help and went to the hospital and was clearly very concerned for her. So that lends credence to the not-retconned argument. Also the Omega in the first episode did appear to have yellow eyes, as someone below mentioned. Although it was a little hard to tell if they were glowing yellow or it was just the tint of the actor's natural eyes in the low light, but they definitely never glowed blue. So I guess that changes the omega=blue eyes theory, which I thought was correct. Gerard also restated the "rules" about omegas which cleared up a couple questions I was wondering about. But the born-werewolf theory doesn't explain why he wouldn't have been a ww his whole life.

The Matt story also had me a little confused because Isaac's Dad was definitely killed prior to the night Jackson's tape was made, which is when Matt met the Kanima. I've never been 100% clear on the timeline there...so if he hadn't bonded with Matt yet, why did the Kanima kill the Dad? Matt had already taken a picture of him at the funeral but why would it kill someone when it hadn't even met it's master yet? Seems kinda weak that it would just sense it.

Anyway as usual it was interesting rewatching those knowing all we know now. A couple interesting tidbits in the Revelations ep as well.
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Great observations. Thanks! I was also thrown by the idea that Isaac's dad was killed prior to Matt becoming the Kanima's master. This always led me to believe that there was more than 1 Kanima. But it is highly doubtful given the way the season ended. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that the writers will do a much better job with the the details in Season 3!
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I've tried to read all the comments. But there are just too many....anyhow, about some points:

1) I loved the finale, because it was just like a finale + a teaser for next season. No cliffhanger. TW doesn't need that to be sure we will tune in next season! It was like: "You have seen we can do good tv, when we will be back, we will do better". And I loved it. Now I can wait for the next season with a certain peace of mind. Not like the TVD first season cliffhanger or this one when you are like "You TVD writers are evil cause you left me hanging here for the whole summer I want to know now!".

2) About the eyes: "Wolves are usually born with deep blue eyes which lighten and then gradually fade into the adult eye color over the next six to ten weeks. A mature Wolf's eyes are often amber/brown or gold, but also commonly come in hues of brown, gray, yellow, and green. It is interesting to note that puppies are born with blue eyes, while mature Wolves do not retain blue as an eye color." So maybe S1-Derek and Jackson are just "new" wolfs...or the blue suits them better...maybe we are overthinking this (as usual).

3) I liked Gerard arc. Yes, maybe it was a little too twisted, but I liked the symmetry of it, and the fact that he was so self-centered that for a cure (and I don't think a wolf bite cures from old age) he murdered a boy (Matt) and he was ready to murder almost anyone. And the death of Mrs. Argent I think was useful to show us viewers why having a bite just to cure cancer was a despicable thing after you practically made your son kill his wife.

4) I love Peter. Peter+MamaMcCall+Stalinsky triangle FTW!

5) I can understand Allison and Scott break up. Scott seemed so mature this last couple of episodes. She can be with him. He is a werewolf and she now is a hunter (maybe not so crazy now). Her mother will have been proud.
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I am going to stick with my recently born theory that either Peter is Jackson's biological father and doesn't even know it, and heck, maybe Jackson's mother wasn't sure and if not Peter, maybe one of the Alphas (I read several Jeff Davis interviews today and I know it has something to do with that but I think that the female werewolf alpha he referred to is not Jackson's mother, but Derek's love interest)



My first thought with the love triangle idea was well, I bet it might be a quadrangle depending on Scott's father. But then I had an even crazier thought...what about Chris? Like, lets say he is drifting a bit after all of this and instead of getting out of the life completely, he hooks up with Deaton and Morrell. Meanwhile, as Melissa, once she got past the freak out of it all, is all gung ho about everything (and like Stiles, when something happens, spends the whole next day researching it) and Scott just gets annoyed and brings her to Deaton to explain and now we have an adult team that would be likely backing Scott decisions.
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Yes to that! Yes to any kind of shape involving the adult characters! Maybe we have to add some women in the mix....but I'm totally on board!
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It's easy to forget because she looks so young, but Bianca Lawson is an adult woman; she's 33. The guy who plays Peter Hale is 36. I dunno about the parents, but she's age-appropriate for at least him.
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So now we have Chris, Peter, Sheriff and the Vet vs Bianca and MamaMcCall...As soon as we can be sure that The Vet and Bianca are not related we can combine them...
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Anyone else very curious about why Jackson has bright blue eyes when he transforms, whereas the alphas have had red eyes and the betas and omegas have had yellow?
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I think the werewolf eyes are cyan if the human eyes are blue and yellow if brown. Once you're an alpha your eyes are red.
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Derek's eyes were blue in the first season I'm not sure why. Also fyi the first discussion down at the very bottom of the page covers the question quite a bit.
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Its brought up, but never really explained. In season 1 Derek tells Scott they are both betas, but that Derek was also born as a wolf. Having no knowledge of Jackson's parents, or the process a wolf-from-birth goes through, it sure brings up more interesting questions!
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I had thought it had to do with the actor eye color but Isaac throws that out the window...but, a random thought related to Jackson's birth parents. Okay, we know they "allegedly" died in a car accident on the day of or night before Jackson was born, what if his mother and her boyfriend died, but that person was not Jackson's actual father? And maybe is actual father is Peter? Like and Peter never even knew?
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Maybe he's a special kind of werewolf? Or he has them because he was a Kanima? I don't know I'm just throwing stray theories out there.
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The only thing significant about Derek seemed to be that he was born with the condition. Maybe Jackson's unknown biological parents could play into that more?
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Really liked this season, helped this show become less of a guilty pleasure for me.

The finale wasn't as big as I thought it'd be, the police station was better as far as action and surprises. I do like how it ended though you know without a huge hangover, but instead just questions and Scott and Stiles in the field.



Things I'm excited for next season: Getting back Jackson who's cocky and less zombie like.

Also the fact that Lydia is finally clued in on everything. She's the smartest of the group and it'd be great to see as a apart of the team when trying to figure out the next move especially when it comes to questioning Dereks ideas on how to handle things. Also how Alison turns out, Mostly found her boring until she started shooting arrows, then she started shooting them at Boyd and Erica and I wanted to slap her. Also How the Argents will handle a pack alphas too.
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Does anyone know why Grandpa Nasty needed a bite from an Alpha? Wouldn't becoming a wolf at any level have cured him of his sickness?
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Hasnt it been stated several times now that only a bite from an alpha can turn someone?
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why yes, yes it has.
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Duh. My Bad. Forgot about that requirement. Well, maybe now Grandpa will be the winged Kanima in Season 3's opener. They gotta do something with his character; especially, since he slithered away.
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I'm wondering if the Vet and the Guidance chick are even human. He's obviously been looking out for their family, being an adviser for quite some time.
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Loved this season, it was awesome. I'm so happy Derek didn't die, but I was on pins and needles the entire time.
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Ahhh, and that's how you do a season finale. That was positively thrilling. Teen Wolf definitely impressed me in it's Sophmore year..not as clumsy and uncertain as Freshman year and far off from suffering from Senioritus.

- I did not. I mean who'd have thought that Grumpy Gramps would go through this whole elaborate plan that involved annihilating a quarter of the Beacon Hills population supernatural and human alike for a werewolf bite? That's insane! Again...kudos to this show for being so simplistic this season. Everything has been right there in front of us the whole time, but while we spent all season long analyzing and overcomplicating everything they've been hitting us up with the most simplistic stuff imaginable. In doing that...it's the most unexpected and quite genius on their part because darn it if it doesn't keep working every single time. In theory..Gramps could have found a very easy solution to getting the bite and any other time that would have drove me nuts at how absurd all this stuff was for something so simple. But I didn't care. Because it was good.

- I truly was. I just knew it meant more death was to be had. I had it already stuck in my head that Boyd,Erica, and/or Isaac would die. I just knew that the moment those wolflets became likeable again (which is what they've been angling at the past couple of episodes) that they would die and as much as I harped about two thirds of the trio all season I would miss them. I would miss them hard, and miss all the possibilities they could have had down the road. But they didn't kill them. I was pleasantly surprised! R-Patz...I mean Isaac has my heart again and he was so much fun in this episode. I love his bromance with Scott and how he kept inquiring as to what the hell was going on when Derek appeared with his non-dead Uncle. Cuteness. And Erica and Boyd...just love them. I sense this sibling like bond all of a sudden and I sure as heck don't hate it.

- OMG! I don't know. I don't even care that I don't know. I'm totally on Team BBP. Badass Black People. Again..TVD needs to take note dammit. I mean they were rocking black leather, and talking as though they were reading random fortunes from fortune cookies and tea tags or some shizz and instead of it being stupid it was cool. Instead of it being frustrating I was perfectly okay with them talking all cryptically and saying stuff but not saying stuff. Because the VET is freakin awesome!! How it's possible to be that awesome when a person has so little screen time is beyond me but he (and Hale) milk every second they are on screen and it makes for amazingness! And the guidance counselor. She's Awesome by association! I don't know if they are supernatural crime fighters, or part of some supernatural matrix, hell they could be freakin fairies for all I know but they rock and I'm digging the mystique.

- So I'm assuming it's like when you do a System Restore on your computer and choose a point. Clearly Jackson got restored to that point after Derek's werewolf bite and before he went all Reptoid on folks. I don't hate it. One more Wolfie in the mix. It rounds off the pack quite nicely...and they'll need the numbers when they go up against this alpha pack.



-In addition to being Team BBP. I'm also Team Stilinkski and I will maintain that Papa Stiles is one of the best dads on tv right now. Now if only he could hook up with Mama McCall who has officially jumped on board the Awesome train. I tend to have mixed feelings regarding certain characters being in the know, but this one is a no brainer. She rocks. She needed to be in the know and I love the many ways she can help them all now that she is. Mama McCall is awesome. Loving it!

- Uncle Hale continues to be hilarious. How did I forget this dude was so darn funny? I must have been too busy hating him last season. But he has some of the best lines, with all his funny quips and sarcastic commentary during the mayhem. We still don't know what he's really doing there per se or how he was able to come back...or well, anything for that matter. But I like that he's taking up being Derek's mentor so to speak, and I hope to see more of it next season. Derek kinda needs the guidance himself.

- Alpha pack? How is that even possible? I mean who leads a pack of Alphas? I've seen what can happen when you have a roomful of Type A personalities together on one team and it ain't a pretty picture. I can only imagine the pissing matches and measuring contests (umm I'm talking incisors and claws folks *g*), and inner conflict that happens on the regular with them. It sounds exciting and interesting enough. I mean I was disturbed enough with the creepy claw as they surrounded Erica and Boyd and definitely disturbed over their marking that looks suspiciously like a werewolf version of a swastika.

-Mr. Argent continues to be my favorite Argent. I love the struggles he faces because of his moral code. The man is honorable. Being honorable is hard. Loved his little tift with evil Katniss, breaking her bows...genius. And setting the wolflets free and reluctantly helping his enemies. I'm a sucker for unexpected alliances by people who kinda sorta hate each other. They can be the most effective ones.

-Please tell me that Allison and Scott stay apart for awhile. I kinda like them apart. The romance thing is so low on my radar of things that make this show interesting. That also applies to Lydia and Jackson and their not so epic love...and yet I find them slightly more interesting because their realtionship isn't meant to be perfect or even healthy.



That was a fantastic finale and that was a great season. I still have my reservations about them being bumped up to 24 episodes but if it stays this good I'll have nothing to worry about. Ha and that gif just makes me laugh. It wasn't particularly glorious or cool to see but it was definitely amusing. I thought Jackson was a dick before...now he gots the wolf juice. Goody. LOVED the recap Price!
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Heh...wolflets. I'm more on team BMP (Minority...as in 'hell, just give us something even though Scott's Mexican), but I just want the vet and the shrink to either do something interesting or gtho. I don't want some kind of virtual janitor role, where Scott and Derek wreck something while they're saving the world, and then the BBP's show up after it's all done and 'clean up' the scene so no one'll find out what happened. Kendra putting Sea Bond on a cracked sink just won't be hot enough.



Obviously, it'll be a little hot, but I want a higher bar.
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I bow to you little Acrobit and your high expectations. Sad that mine are low...but I'm content, perfectly content with competent minority folks (*gives Scott the side eye* I'm not saying the kid's dumb but...well...) kicking ass in a way that we aren't even sure of yet. The Vet finally moved from around the freakin table..after two seasons...that was squee worthy enough for me. They were totally dressed like Cleaners though. We'll have to see how that plays out. Maybe it's the screen name but I just have a thing for the mysterious.
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I guess on several points (I totally agree with you on everything, so don't worry)...I love how Mama McCall kind of strikes me that among the grown ups, she might be Stiles, like intensely curious about everything, freaks out occasionally, but more likely gets herself into trouble because of her curiosity. I still think she might have some issues (specifically with Peter, as she just knows him as the guy who never called her back and probably Scott's father before we get to the Sheriff).



I have no idea what the vet and guidance counselor are either (do we suppose we will comfortably calling them Alan and, um, whatever her first name is next season?). I really think they might be father and daughter or brother and sister of some family that allied with the Hales long ago.



I don't really get the Alpha pack thing either, I suppose that maybe it is made up of bitten wolves like Scott who have more of an Alpha personality than a Beta or an Omega or a Gamma who can't commit to the pack they are brought into or that is around them (as Peter isn't in charge of a pack, Scott technically doesn' t have one) and they agree to move around together to deal with trouble in their communities and maybe pick up some wolves like Scott to join them and maybe one breaks off to establish a pack that is part of a bigger collective, so next season the risk is two fold, an Alpha trying to take over all the baby wolves (whether Derek and Peter like it or not) and this separate pack really putting the hard sell on Scott to join with them (like they approach him through his mother and Stiles and sell them on the idea first) and he is very tempted but for whatever reason he has to choose to fight with Derek and Peter (or that will be the debate we will be having next summer on this site).
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Fair point about the Pack. I don't know. We'll definitely have to see how it all plays out next season!
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I never thought about that with Mrs. McCall! Yeah she is kinda neurotic like Stiles in a weird mom sorta way haha.
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Ok so now it's two weeks in a row where we're some of the only ones here who didn't have SOMETHING to complain about with the finale! I, too, give it nothing but the utmost high regards.
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It happens.
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maybe we are blinded by love...do you say that in English?
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Yes that is correct to say. And you're probably right.. It could also be that everyone else is simply blind in general. haha
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Awesome conclusion to the second season! I am excited to see another season. This show exceeds expectations and delivers what we really want!
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love, love, love your reviews...

First I could barely wait for the finale. Then I sat in front of my computer and saw it start and put watching it off for a couple more days. I don't think I was ready to face the end of this great TV summer either.

Peter btw is a werewolf again. When he was hiding out in the shadows of the rave warehouse his claws came out while watching the fight.
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I've come late to the TW closure party, and Tuesday morning, when I realized the new episode has aired and I'll be without a computer till few hours ago....It was not pleasant. Anyway, here come, jyst to say I LOVED THIS EPISODE so much, so many twist that were expected but unexpected, and I love Peter more and more. As for the question, I approve Price's statement via gif. It was so cool and totally gratuitous and Colton is so damn in good shape....

I just want to send my love and appreciation to this series that has really made my summer!!!! I love you teen wolf. You were totally my summer fling that blew away all the rest. Can't wait for your return!!!! And it was really nice commenting and discussing with you all...Tv.com users are the best! Now I will read and comment all the rest but I just want to say that I'm so sad that TW is over....
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That's how I felt last week when I couldn't watch... I feel your pain! haha.



Yes that shot of Colton was completely gratuitous! lol That's kinda what I liked about it...kinda cheesy and totally unnecessary and yet they went for it anyway :)
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okay i got a question...i noticed a lot of people saying they like lydia......why?? at least to me....she's a generally not helpful not funny generally obnoxious character..and i find the actress kind of boring....yet people seem to love her..idk i just wanna know what everyone is seeing...shes in my low 5 with derek, jackson,eric and boyd (though erica and boyd seem savable) top 3 allison isaac and mrs argent (rip)....also.....idk if they just didnt say or what but.........wtf happened to danny??? and the reasoning of this shows villains is its biggest flaw....like all the crazy shit matt and gerard did and their reason for it make like no sense....heres hoping the next villains make sense...and also more bianca lawson....kendra da vampire slayahh needs mo screentime lol
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I'll have to give my own list.



1) The bitchy character can be fun, and Lydia is, when she does it right. I didn't get a lot of that last year.

2) She handles cracking up fairly well.



That's about it. Hopefully, she'll be of some other use now that's she's in the mix and mysteriously immune to bites.
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Why We Like Lydia:

1. She has been a "damsel in distress" more than once (which a significant percentage of males are going to respond to), but she doesn't seek that status.

2. She's smart, but doesn't need to display it to everyone and is willing to hide that fact in order to maintain relationships.

3. She's been haunted, lied to, manipulated, abused by her jackass boyfriend, and terrorized, but she's still sane and pulls her s**t together.

4. She's loyal and willing to give to her friends.

5. She's beautiful.
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well said my friend, well said. I didn't care much for Lydia at the beginning. But she slowly started to grow on me around half way through the first season and by the end I liked her. Now that we've finished season two she's become one of my favorites...for many of the aforementioned reasons. I think there's much more depth to her character than, say, Allison for example. Allison has a man jaw anyway haha. :P
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She DOES have a man jaw! They've got to shoot her face more carefully and choose camera angles that minimize it. Doesn't look good when her jaw is wider than Scott's.
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^Yes to this list. I think she's also hilarious; Holland Roden, like so many actors on this show, has wonderful time and humorous cadence. The way she makes Lydia speak is so different from her natural speaking voice, and it's impressive that she can keep it up so consistently.



But I also love the way she has been three dimensionalized. The popular girl who pretends to be stupid is a nice twist on the usual "dumb bimbo" schtick. Lydia's been proven to be loyal and often quite kind under her shiny, sassy veneer, and boy is the fact that she knows archaic Latin funny. And sexy.
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I like her ass. Oh, wait, I mean, she's a smart, and she's a multilayered character.
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*shakes head*
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I'm missing Teen Wolf sooo much after this great episode... How long until Season 3 comes along? (Sigh)
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FTW: Stiles and Jackson are both alive. Jackson/Kanima was boring, but Jackson/Werewolf has lots of potential. Just imagine the next lacrosse game if Scott, Jackson, Isaac, and Boyd are all playing.



WTF: Lydia and Jackson are together and Stiles is alone. And Gerard is still alive. (I loved Michael Hogan as Col. Saul Tigh, but Gramps is all over the map and I'm tired of him.)
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With you on the WTF, dude.
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SO NOW WE GET TO HAVE NEW ASUMPTIONS ABOUT THE NEW SEASON.... LIKE WHAT ARE CRIS AND ALLISON ARGENT GOING TO DO NOW? OF COURSE DEREK HALE AND HIS PACK ARE GOING TO KICK ASS. BUT WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH PETER? EITHER WAY HE IS BADASS.... BUT THE QUESTION THAT IS STILL ON MY MIND IS WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH DEATON THE VET? #DEREK HALE AND SHERIFF STILINSKY...
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I am going to pick up on 2 points, Peter and the Vet...



1. Okay, so Peter is not an alpha any more and you get the sense he is in actually totally fine with that and actually kind of relishes the puppetmaster/researcher/advisor role more, but here is my question. Chris indicated that there is Alpha loyalty as an instinct, I wonder if there is any of that between Scott and Peter or the fact that Scott in his head probably thinks he is a really strong Omega, but we all kind of recognize what Derek said, he kind of is an Alpha already, is pack just didn't have any wolves in it. I mean, I know Scott fought Peter in the season finale, but he mainly throughout the season just messed with his plans (oh, and how did we all forget Scott doing that last season...we maybe should not have been surprised by this plan).



2. Now, I just really think that the vet (and the guidance counselor) are part of a family of "watchers" if you will excuse the Buffy reference but they also kind of police the supernatural at the same time. What I find curious is that Scott kind of treated him like his alpha and you wonder if nurturing the protective and healing instincts is something the vet was actually supposed to have done for Derek too.
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I definitely wanted to see the winged thingy nextstepinevolution of the kanima.. :-(



Mmm I think Allison got over her psycho episode rather quickly... I expect she'll have some nightmares about torturing and almost killing teenagers...



Quite liked the Season 2 though!
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the only thing i was sad about this season is that i wanted jackson to be a dragon EXCUSE ME KANIMA, but now he's got the fucking werewolf mutton chops SIGHS LOUDLY oh well, too bad so sad.



also omg quit with the new characterrssssssssss. Well, maybe that's what they're going to do with all those episode next season. Let's hope! Also poor BB Derek, no one but creepy Uncle Pete is on his side.
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I have to say it: I'm actually hoping for some death next season. If there's one thing I realized it's that this show is in danger of over-population in season 3. Not only did the big-bad not DEFINITELY die (as in Gerard, not the kanima), but they've also reintroduced season 1's big bad (even if he is thus far on Derek's side), and NOW possibly six or so new big bads. Obviously probably one or two big bads will end up with some sort of 'Do I want to be in the alpha pack' arc, but that's still SIX NEW CHARACTERS. With the promise of the vet and guidance counsellor becomming more prominent characters. And then we have Scott, Stiles, Allison, Derek, Lydia, Boyd, Issac, Erica and Jackson will probably have a lot to do next season. I know it's an extended season, but...I'm hoping for a few deaths. I'm hoping Gerard is revealed to be definitely dead. It just feels like there'll be too many characters, though I guess it depends on how the lay out the storyline. But considering the cluster that was the final 3/4 episodes of this season...I'm glad no one died in the finale, but I'm begrudgingly hoping for a death or two next season.

Of course maybe I'm just being paranoid and they will make it work and then some...but still. A whole lot of characters.
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I hear you. Geriatric Gerard needs to be dead. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if off season our mysterious badass duo takes Gerard out and eliminates him coming back.His story is done as far as I'm concerned. I was relived that Erica, Isaac, and Boyd didn't bite the bullet this season, but I can definitely see it happening next season. As far as we know Peter is still kinda dead? I don't know. I'm not completely annoyed with the uncertainty of his status. What they do have going for is characters that come off cool and important but aren't around enough to overpopulate things. Like Danny, the Coach, Stilinski, Mamma McCall, and I'm guessing the vet and the guiandance couselor will be the same way. I'm thinking though as far as casualities go...it'll most likely be the wolflets next season.
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Great Season Finale!

But right now I have a question that didn't even come up in this photo recap:

WTF is up with Jackson having BLUE WEREWOLF EYES? Alphas have red eyes, Betas have yellow eyes...so what does BLUE EYES mean??? Any ideas? Is it because of the previous Kanima-situation? But what werewolf status does Jackson have now? Shouldn't he be a Beta to Dereks pack? Hope they clear that up!



Grandpa and Black Goo:

Jackson oozed black goo after Derek bit him and then he became the Kanima...is this a similar black-goo situation?? I'm confused by this... They said you either become a werewolf or die when you get bitten. Jackson became the Kanima because of his orphan past. What did the mountain ash do now exactly? New Kanima? Some other kind of transformation?



Can't wait till season 3 comes around and explains all this.
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You know the first thing I thought when I saw the black ooze from Gerard wound, was he's totally going to turn into a kanima. And then I immediately jumped to him becoming the alpha form of the kanima next season, I really hope that's not a storyline next season, that's just where my mind jumped:)
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The eye thing has been covered (bottom of the page). I think its pretty clear. Derek was an Omega in season one. Derek had blue werewolf eyes in season one. Draw your own conclusion.



Mountain ash rejects supernaturals. No kanima, no werewolf, no transformation.



I do not believe they will address your questions in the next season, because I believe the mythology on these issues is already pretty clear.
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I don't think the eye color issue is really clear. I mean the only omega that I am certain was actually an omega, was the one from the season 2 premier. You know the guy Gerard butchered for the fun it. And that omega most definitely had yellow eyes.
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Yeah but in that case why isnt scotts eyes blue cuz he is also an omega or shit even red since he is a alpha to his own pack... :)
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Because neither of those things are really true.
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It seems to me like the bite is a pretty powerful thing, unless someone is naturally immune then the bite either turns you or kills you. I don't see the mountain ash as being powerful enough to stop that completely. slowing the process down,or making it more painful? Sure. And also I've read a lot of comments about how Gerard spewing all that black shit out was a bad sign, but really people "Better out than in" right? Don't most people feel better after throwing up, than they felt right before they did? Who's to say he didn't expel most or all of the ash out of his system, and now he's out there somewhere turning.
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Yep. I thought it meant that Gerard = dead/dying. Just because black blood meant "rejecting the bite/becoming a kanima" in Jackson's situation, that doesn't mean it shows the same thing in Gerard's. Jackson certainly didn't spew a fountain of black junk, so they're certainly showing different symptoms.
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I wouldn't call them different symptoms so much as symptoms at different intensity levels, Jackson leaked black goo from his eyes, ears, and nose, Gerard also leaked black goo from those places and then his symptoms rapidly progressed to spewing the black goo.
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buildam2005 have you seen Colton Hayes? When he is around (semi) naked the whole world stops and stare...
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That's true, so I'll give you that. Still, I would hope that we're meant to believe that the good guys went and found Gerard's body and they just didn't show (or maybe even write/film) that moment. Because otherwise, if they just assumed he was dead, they're all massively stupid.
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Nobody had time to kill him really, after he spewed the black goo and yelled kill them all, there was only like 2 seconds before Stiles and Lydia came crashing in. And the scene that played out was an attention grabber!
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But Gerard's were also immediate, where Jackson's were slow and relatively chronic (for a longish period of time). Kind of like different body pains, acute and chronic are often symptomatic of different problems.



Really, though, the biggest problem there was why Derek or SOMEONE didn't go get stabby on Grandpa right away instead of standing there staring at him while he moaned and groaned.
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I have a random question for consideration, now I had total assurance going into my junior year of high school that I would actually have an easier time of things academically from thereon out (that was an interesting conversation with my mother of why my GPA was only 3.2 when I graduated when she swears she never saw a grade below a B+, I had to explain she blanked out the C in Algebra and Sophomore English) but I did have the thought when I turned 16, I technically could drop out and get my GED at this point. I wonder if either Scott's mother or Allison's father has given thought to that one. I don't know why, but any one else get the impression that pre werewolf days that Scott was actually a good student, I mean, still a bit of dense guy, but got good grades and worked hard? It just seemed like a new issue that his mother had never dealt with him before. And the last thing that Allison likely needs is to have to see Scott and Jackson specifically every day in class (while I wonder if the show would actually keep Scott back in school, I suspect he might be in remedial classes next year and Allison and Jackson seem like they would be in the same classes. I just wonder if maybe she and her father go to find a more reasonable female member of the Argent family to help Allision learn and their return is the jumping off point of next season.
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I mostly got the impression in Season 1 that Scott and his mom were struggling with all the typical issues that come along with being in a household with an absent father. It really seemed to me that it wasn't easy to make ends meet and Scott was very much looking for some kind of purpose/direction to his life. The Alpha bite has given him that purpose and he has embraced it fully. However, I am fully expecting that in Season 3, the writers will not bother to tie up the many loose ends and instead go for sensationalistic episodes, in order to, in my opionion, keep the series "cool." So Scott could very well revert back to being the troubled high-school adolescent he was in Season 1. What the writers seem to not understand is that they need to give equal time to the "heart" of the story - because that's why we're all here! It's as if each episode is evolving into a 40 minute video with no real concern being paid to what has come before or what should happen next. I mean, why lead us on with the promise of a winged Kanima and then totally drop the ball?!
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Well I think the winged kanima on the laptop bit was funny...and for budget and story reason they decided to drop that....
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Not to mention that kind of stuff is sometimes better left to the imagination than to CGI. Creatures can get cheesy fast.
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Awesome! As some people have already stated, this episode hade some flaws. I didn't like Gerard as a villain. His agenda was confusing. Matt was better in that way; he wanted revenge. Gramps wanted a bite...? The best things of this season: the introduction of the Kanima, Lydia's breakdown, the new puppies. Things I didn't like: Gerard, Jackson turning into a werewolf, the ressurection of Peter Hale. But let's face it, this season has been awesome!

1. I did not predict that Gerard wanted the bite. I thought he wanted to get rid of all the werewolfs in town with the help of the Kanima. What a douce. And beating up poor Stiles for nothing. Stiles hade a painful week (?). He got abducted, beaten up and then rejected by the girl he loves. Who else cried when he cried? I love when a guy cries on tv (I realise that I may sound a bit sadistic), and I love that he was still Stiles and tried to make a joke about.
2. I heard that one person would die, and my guesses were on Gerard, Mr Argent or one of the pups. But I'm kinda glad I was wrong. There has already been one death this season. And I was so scared for Isaac. Alllison, how dare you!?

3. The Vet and his friend the counselor are protectors of the supernatural creatures, or that is my guess. I love that they are still surrounded by mystery.

4. printscreenprintscreenprintscreen. Thank you.

To the ACP:ers and others: I suggest a chat room meeting to discuss the whole season, and maybe rewatching som of the latest episodes. Does it sound good?
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No one died? NO ONE?!! Not even Gerard after barfing his body weight in motor oil? Love it, actually. Like I said last week, one of the best things about Teen Wolf is that they don't feel the need to kill someone relevant every other week to push their arcs along by stupid grief-clouded decisions. Some death, fine. Death as the go-to, weaksauce. It's like they figured out that we can actually get something out of them while they're alive. They're not all painters on TW.



What is possibly the best thing about TW is how much they love me personally. Not only did Stiles get his ass kicked by a grumpy Clint Eastwood knockoff, it happened right after Stiles's smacktalk. "I think I could take you--AGH!! OW!! OOF!!" He got his ass kicked, and he lived for more next year. Sweet, sweet ambrosia.



Me: "I just want Stiles to get a beatdown every few weeks...please? Nothing fatal."



TW Lords: "We have heard your heartfelt plea, Little Acrobit, and it is granted. Now, behold the beatdown...and see that it is good."



And I absolutely love that Scott's mom is in the mix. After all Scott's turmoil about hiding everything from her, it came out in pretty much the worst way possible, and they bounced back half an episode later. Lesser shows would've milked that for weeks, but TW gave it the amount of time it deserved and put them all onto better things. And Hale's right; she's hot. +1



Still, some things, they're just not going to change. As I said a few weeks back, the theme of TW should ultimately be "So...will this hold him?" The scene in the morgue(?) where Jackson's waking up and the suspenseful moment is...zipping the body bag...so he wouldn't break free. What, is he a parrot now? Doesn't anyone keep fifty pounds of chains lying around anymore?



I like Lydia, and the moment with her and post-beatdown Stiles was powerful, but she's gonna leave a wreck of a puppy dog for weeks into season three. At least when they finally feed the shippers down the line...Lydia will be the great, kind, generous person Stiles deserves? It can happen, but should it? Erica didn't die (because NO ONE did! Still awesome), so she's still in the mix. If I had a thing for chicks who abused me, I'd go for the one who'd only been doing it for a few weeks *and* once had a crush on me, but that's just me. And let's face it, Lydia was only there in his room because Stiles became the supernatural 82-pound killer of lacrosse. Even on TW, how many times can he do that? When will she be ready to like him...for him, not just taking his kind, vulnerable heart--and scene. Don't care.



As for Alison, the ridiculously close-range daggers were awesome and Buffyesque, but I was hoping that this time, she'd make her own decision and come around on her own. From beginning to end, Alison began to fail because Gerard manipulated her, and only ended because he was ready to throw her away. She's badass with a bow (when she brings more than one arrow) and other really petite weapons, but there's nothing empowering about being a puppet, same as with Jackson. If Alison had chosen to spare them (especially poor Isaac) on her own, that would've been her getting her power back, but it didn't happen that way. Oh well. And now that Grampa's a known dick, does that mean Alison's dropped the vendetta against Derek? They're not directly related.



So Scott was a genius all along--LOLno. It's fine. I'm surprised he figured out how to open Gerard's capsules before graduation, but I can go with it.



And now, Jackson finally got what he wanted, to become a Super Saiyan Werewolf. They need a color key for these guys' eyes. Lockerroom/Library/Cafeteria/Chemlab fights are gonna be fun next season. I'd prefer that bromance not really kick in until at least halfway into next season, but I can only ask the TW Lords for so much. I'm still on a beatdown high.



I get that every season, shows like these need to increment with bads that are conveniently stronger-but-not-stronger-enough than the last wave, but a pack...of Alphas doesn't make sense.



Alpha #1: "You're a natural leader. Follow me, k?"



Alpha #2: "K."



Alpha #1: "Cool. So, I just need to do this exact same thing about three more times, and I can get my Frat charter reg'd."



Couldn't they have just been older and stronger? Derek's been an Alpha for a while, and...eh. Maybe it was just a reason to give them all red eyes. Those do sell a lot better.
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Ha ha! You crack me up Little Acrobit. I'm pleased the lords of TW have amused thee!



Not fifty. I carry around at least 20lbs worth of chains...but that's only because I'm tiny and it weighs me down.



Scottie summoned some smarts! Bravo little adorable one! He's going to need at least two weeks to recuperate from having more than two braincells rubbing together.



Hale easily has the best lines of the show. He states the obvious. I love characters that state the obvious and pretty much are the voice of the viewers while watching. Yes, Hale, Mama McCall is hot. Yes Hale, Derek did look like an idiot trying to make a dramatic entrance. I <3 Hale now.



Yeah I know what you mean about Allison. Kickass Katniss has gotten on my nerves the past couple of episodes...because she did lose her way. I couldn't always pinpoint why it was her change of behaviour annoyed me, but that sums it up nicely. Her being manipulated was so Un-Allison that it was frustrating. She almost started to lose a purpose or something. When she shot Isaac I was ready to throttle her...again. For like the tenth time in the past two episodes.



Yes. I was thinking the same thing. How does one actually have a pack of Alphas?! I mean that has to be a loose interpretation of the term Alpha.



Jackson got rewarded for bad behavior. So basically he went on a killing spree, killed a bunch of folks and tried to kill his friends, including his best friend Danny who may possibly think he's dead now? I don't know. He treats Lydia like crap on the regular, bordering on being dare I say abusive. And what does he get? He gets the bite he wanted and he gets to girl! That's so Jackson!
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I forgot about Derek's wolf run in the alley.



Derek: "Yeeup. That just happened. Unnecessarily. What."



It's kinda worth it to do stupid stuff like that if it gives Hale a few one-liners.



Jackson couldn't go back to being human again. He'd be so irrelevant, they'd sooner kill him, but this is why I didn't like the mindless lizardman angle in the first place. He got to kill all those people, and none of it really counts. He's not even a bad guy; he's still just a dick who wanted to compare to Scott.



As long as he hits Stiles once in a while, I *guess* I could overlook all this...
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Bwahaha! Stiles whump. Poor guy!
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Yeah I love that they were aware enough of that ridiculousness to make fun of it.



And no Jackson wouldn't go back to human...although now that I think about it, that would be an interesting angle-- the one so desperate to be something special actually attains it but then loses it again...I'd kinda like to see that.

I actually liked the Kanima and the all the implications. I liked that his actions were beyond his control. I am curious how they're going to handle that next season though. Will it be like you said that none of it really counts, or will there be ramifications. Will Jackson have any remorse at all (since he did seem to be showing some towards the end) or will he just be an even bigger dick (if that's possible). A normal person would be horrified that they were used in such a way buuut...this is Jackson we're talking about.
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Fair point about the specialness angle. And agreed he's best when he's a dick. There's always the danger of that becoming one-note so it's good to have more character depth added...but they've been doing a swell job of that so far so I have faith.
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He's even done that already. He spent a good third of the season boohoo'n because he thought he'd become a werewolf at the full moon, but nothing happened. So even though something had, and he wasn't normal, he thought and acted like he was, so I got enough of that already.



As for the remorse, I would've said that there wasn't time for that, as I don't wanna see Jackson moping around all season, but it's a huge season now, so I wouldn't mind a few weeks of that.



Anyway, he's best when he's a dick, and so far, that's the only way he knows how to be. I hope that bromance is pushed way down the line.
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I basically agree with everything you've said here, especially about Allison. It's interesting that she's being pegged as this girl who's got power and is a strong individual when, really, as you point out, she's been manipulated into being that way and her personality shifts have been driven entirely by those around her pushing her in particular directions. I agree that a bit of an awakening/realization on her own part would have been nice to see. Perhaps in next year's super-loaded season?



I also agree about the not-a-ton-of-deaths being a good thing. It was refreshing. The tension was certainly still there, and I'm debating whether it would have been better (and ballsier) for them to kill Jackson for real (someone below made a good point: how is anyone going to explain him being not dead? Is a coroner/medical examiner going to get super fired for this?), but it's nice that they didn't have to end the season using that as their big turn of events.



And let's face it, while it was fun to see Scott being smart(-ish) with the pills, that whole plot point was seriously logistically problematic.
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Scott still needs a high school antagonist bromance partner for when the alphas start classes next season. Isaac's already too far in his camp. I knew they wouldn't kill Jackson once Hale started talking about a cure, but as for explaining it, all they really need to do is say "Uhh, we thought he died, but he got better." Something like what happened to Lydia.



With all the people that just died (Alison's mom, entire on-duty police force, Matt), this brilliant town isn't going to question the Mayor's star captain son about 'almost' dying on the field. No one questions anything when Lacrosse is involved.
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Good point! They're probably all just relieved that there's not another body to process, so the coroner is probably like, "Whatever, I don't care. He's alive. Great. Less work for me."
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Whoa!!! Crazy!!! Already in withdrawl!!! I'm not gonna say too much just that I don't know if it was as satisfying as I wanted it to be. So really loved all the Stiles moments, the gerard thing was odd. I don't know maybe it was because I read this recap before I watched the actual episode.

Questions:

1. Nope. Total surprise, he sort of went to a lot of trouble, but I guess he didnt really have a moment with just him n Derek so yeah

2. Yeah but was pleasantly surprised it didnt need so many death especially with all the cops killed a couple of eps ago.

3. I cant tell if they are flirting or they are related it is confusing me!!!!

4. Oh that was GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway... Cant wait til next year. And yeah more Stiles.

Bye Bye Teen Wolf I miss you!!!! <3
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During the break up, I loved when Scott goes "you don't have to apologize." I was like "yes you do! You really really do!" I still think it would have been more interesting and given Scott more depth if he had been the one to break up with her. "You clearly don't love me like I love you, and I'm not haning around to be your back up when your family makes it clear for the umpteenth time that they're completely crazy! Also, you've definitely exhibited your fair share of sadistic nuts in all of this."
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I said the same thing. I was like screw that wench. Like hell she doesn't have to apologize! In those moments I was once again annoyed by how sweet Scott was and I just wanted him to grow a pair of giblets.
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So this morning I am wondering why Stiles' father - the Sheriff! - never confronted Stiles about all the CrAzY that happened while he was locked up in the police station. You would think that he would at least be extremely curious as to how Stiles survived - and on who and or what killed all his former co-workers. I am also curious if Allison is gonna go after Santa Clause in Season 3? I'm just sayin....
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Did his dad ever see Jackson or any of that supernatural business? Could have assumed Matt stabbed them and ditched the weapon or some such thing.
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I've really enjoyed this season, but it's the little things that are really annoying me, oh and the one really big thing turned out to be a total crock too.



Let's start with the big thing, Gerard wanting to get bitten by Derek. OK, so part of the plan was to kill Derek after being bitten to immediately become an Alpha, here is the first massive plot hole. In season 1 Scott had to kill Peter, the Werewolf that bit him, to be cured of his lycanitus, so why wouldn't Gerard just be cured? If he used the Kanama then technically no wolf has killed the Alpha, so how does that work? Derek "killed" Peter to become the Alpha in the first place! Too confusing. They need to pick some fundamental rules and stick to them, if it makes life tricky for them so be it, life can be tricky.



Then there are the little things. Scott caught an arrow in mid-flight that was fired from three feet away (accidentally by Stiles) and Scott had his back to it when it was fired. Allison shoots at Scott in the finale from thirty yards away and he ducks allowing it to hit his friend. Consistancy is sorely lacking.

We see Gerard actively struggling with his condition so he takes a pill and (immediately?) he improves. Quite the wonder drug that mountain ash? Again, it's the little things that can easily be fixed with just a minute to think it through. For the record, I'm assuming that the Vet came up with the plan because Scott is an idiot.

And what was with Scott just forgiving Alison for going psycho? I get that she wanted revenge for her mothers death but her actions deserve consiquences and by holding her had and (lamely) saying "I'll curl up into a ball and sleep at the foot of your bed until you're ready to pet me again" he has basically said "it was my fauly not yours". What the F? He has told her that it was OK to turn her back on all of her friends to help her psychotic Grandfather try to kill them all. There should have been some fall from all of this but the writers have caved under the pressure of the "happy(ish) ending".



I also don't like the way that they have used Erica and Boyd. They seem to go to lengths to give some characters a more grounded, complex personality and then they introduce two new wolves and make them 1D. Erica in particular has a lot of potential, espescially considering she's the only female werewolf on the show (and I liked the little flirty thing going on between her and Stiles, it was cute).



I realise that I complain about the plot holes too much, believe my I'm working on it, but I love TV shows and plot holes are my kryptonite, I really can't help but notice them. I'm learning to live with them in a lot of shows (The Vampire Diaries mainly) but I still get annoyed by the little things, and when they don't fully think out the 'master plan', this season finale it felt like there was no master plan all along and they just made it up at the end, despite all the build up through the season. One of my other problems with the last few weeks of the season was the lack of Lydia. One week she appears, the next she doesn't, which is disappointing considering she's the best character on the show.



I will be watching season three, I'm actually looking forward to it, I think the re-focus on werewolves is a good idea and with a pack of alpha's coming to town a suspect (hope) we may see some new hunters too. I'm also looking forward to seeing how the vet and the ex-vampire slayer turn out, I just hope the writers don't feel the need to throw all their secrets at us next season, keeping some of the mystery keeps it a bit more exciting.
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We don't have definitive proof that killing the Alpha that turned you actually cures you, do we? Didn't Derek even admit that it was a fuzzy possibility at best?



Also, do we actually know that Gerard wanted to become the alpha? I thought he just wanted to be a werewolf so he could cure his terminal cancer, then he'd perhaps have Jackson off Derek to get his revenge for Kate's murder.



As far as Scott and Allison goes, again, how much of what Allison's been up to was Scott aware of? Plus, we don't know how much time actually passed or what was said between the two before they broke up. I'm not saying this is an excuse or explanation, just that we don't have all the information, I think.



Agree on the arrows. That's inconsistent. But these kinds of things seem to always be inconsistent in supernatural shows. Not an excuse, but just something that happens (it would, of course, be nice if they dealt with this).
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About Gerard wanting to become an Alpha, I believe Gerard said Derek was right when he stated that, if I remember correctly. So that part at least we know was true.



And agree completely about the arrows and inconsistencies on supernatural shows. Was going to say the same thing, that I notice small inconsistencies in those shows a lot, particularly when it comes to superpowers or special abilities. I wish they could be absolutely consistent but I've come to accept that they will sometimes be there. Especially when it comes to something requiring a special effects shot due to budgetary constraints.



I think it's important to remember creating a show is a very, very complicated process and while we would like everything to be perfect that just simply is not possible. There are many legal, logistical and budgetary factors that the creators have to contend with and they do the best they can. Now of course that does not apply to logic errors in the plot. But sometimes there are considerations they have to work around, like only being allowed to use an actor for say 8 out of 12 episodes, so they have to choose where & when to best use them. Or they want to have a shot of a ww using his superspeed to evade an attack but they don't have the money so they just have to show the actors running through the woods like a normal person. It's frustrating as a viewer but probably equally as frustrating to the makers who have to make sacrifices. They have a certain vision they want to see get made, but have to make compromises so that vision gets made at all. It's just reality.
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Those are all good points. I just read somewhere (can't remember where) that TW was just awarded a 100 MILLION dollar "grant" because they're relocating to LA and shooting their new supersized season there. Maybe that will mean their production values and ability to deal with the things you outlined above will increase.
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Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree :) Because I don't believe that seeing improvement as possible means it's not real love. There are many shades to love and that is a lovely ideal but I don't think it's the way it really is, at least not past the "honeymoon phase" anyway. And if that is truly how you are 100% of the time, then you are a far better woman than I, Mey! :D



Yep I can understand why you chose the person analogy as a debating technique. I just don't think it is the most apt because while I love television and I respect & take great care with it as an art form, I will always take greater care with a person. Not that I think you wouldn't-- in fact I'm quite certain you would. :)



Anyway, always an interesting conversation with you Mey...see you around the comments! :)
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Sorry if I'm not getting your point, I'm trying my best lol. Yes sometimes that happens with second languages, it's all good. :) I just think opinion is a crucial point when you're discussing any type of art.

To be clear, I did not say "not bothered" because then yes it would be like you said, why fix it lol. I said degree to which I am bothered, meaning some things bug us a little, some a great deal or anywhere in between. Perhaps that clears it up?

Sure I can see what you are saying about "love you the way you are" and that's a valid point. But I don't think having unconditional love means that you are blind to it's flaws or that there isn't always room for improvement. I guess if we were to use a person analogy (which I don't think is the best analogy but I'll go with it) I would liken it more to a behavior rather than a physical characteristic (because the small boobs thing I would consider more like a production/budget issue, meaning something over which they would have little to no control; and a behavior more akin to a writer's choice). If my boyfriend chose to never wash the dishes it would irritate me and I would wish he would change that. But it doesn't mean I would love him any less, just that it's something I acknowledge about him that could use improvement. As much as I obviously dearly love Joss' shows, I still acknowledge they have faults and once in a while (though rarely) some really sub-par episodes (I'm looking at you Doublemeat Palace!). Heck Dollhouse is quite near perfect in my eyes and yet I acknowledge there are things they could have improved. It's just realistic, I think. But I try to focus more on all the stuff I love. :)
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Forgive me if I misunderstand :) This will be long so bear with me haha. First of all, the vampire breath issue-- if you are referring to the scene I believe you are (at the end of Becoming Part 2) Spike does not smother Dru, he uses a "sleeper hold" which does not involve cutting off breath so that is not a contradiction (although honestly my knowledge of those holds is limited so I could be wrong). Not that I'm saying Joss' shows are above having inconsistencies because they are not. But that would be a pretty major logic error and I don't believe that's what they did. Had I thought that he smothered her that would have bothered me because it wouldn't have made sense.



I understand the werewolf emotions having an impact point. Although honestly I don't really buy that 100%, it feels like just a tiny bit of a cop-out, like that is a way of covering any inconsistency they may encounter. But that's alright, it's just my opinion, others may think that's a great explanation. I think we absolutely are "allowed" to question a showrunner's choices because we are all individuals with our own opinions, but neither would I label a show as bad simply because they focus on different things than I would. That is the showrunner's choice, and as you said, if it were my choice then it would be my show. And I think you're right about audiences having a part to play-- I don't think that it matters whether we are told something or shown it, we are still provided the information and are expected to apply that information accordingly. I do not need to be spoon-fed information. That being said, I also expect them to apply that same information consistently.

I also may have been unclear about the level to which this bothers me...I overlook many things and as I said earlier accept that these things sometimes happen, particularly in supernatural shows. In fact I'm the one who said we should cut them some slack because there are many factors that are at play and sometimes it's not even their choice to play things out a certain way. I think we are actually partly making the same point...that some things are just not that big of a deal and we can accept them even if we don't like them.

However part of my point is that these are different to everybody...and the degree to which we are bothered is unique. None of these things bother me enough to stop watching the show by any means or even to dislike it. It would have to be some serious logic errors for me to be that bothered. But it would make me happy if I didn't have to contend with inconsistencies or with things that are left unexplained. But we are all allowed to have our own opinions on what we don't like or even what we find inconsistent. For instance, I don't find the Lydia/Jackson story inconsistent at all, yet even with explanations given there are many here who still think it is and that's ok. I tend to land on the side of giving the benefit of the doubt unless something is blatantly contradictory. I'm willing to accept a lot in the spirit of good faith with a show. If I question something or even dislike something I'm not saying it's necessarily a flaw or even that the overall quality of the show is diminished. So...I'm not sure if this fully answered your question but it's all I have the energy to explain for tonight lol :)
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I understand what you're saying about emotional temperature and that is true. But for me when they aren't consistent about certain things it actually pulls me out of the moment and that is what jeopardizes the drama and emotion. I think having consistent rules actually helps the story because they only need establish them once and therefore don't have to waste time or money adjusting them. And if there's a reason they don't want to follow that rule either for dramatic purposes or production constraints just write a reasonable explanation into the story. Then the audience isn't wasting time wondering about that instead of concentrating on the scene. I wouldn't term it as a flaw, but I think playing fast & loose with the rules detracts from the story. I have less tolerance for that because that is a writing issue not a production issue. Again, not a flaw but something I wish were addressed.



But of course we all have different things that we consider tolerable. Like you said, the arrow thing doesn't bother you, and there are certain things I'm willing to just roll with because it moves the story forward and I understand it's not going to be 100% realistic. Like how every kid with a few computer skills can suddenly hack into a government database lol. Realistic? Absolutely not. But that is something I can tolerate more easily than some others. So yes, choices. :)
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I read that, too, but it was 10 million tax credit. 100 million was the total being spread out to various projects. But that's still awesome and wouldn't it be great if they did address those issues like you said :) Dare we hope?
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Minor detail. Gerard would only have to kill the nearest human to make it so he can't be cured and then kill Derek. Or he would have to wait 30 days before bisecting Derek. I think one of those rules applies, I just don't remember which.
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I always thought Derek was lying to Scott in season 1, he just told him there was a cure so Scott would help him find Peter.
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OKAY SO HOW FANTASTIC WAS THIS SEASON OF TEEN WOLF... AS TO CLIFFHANGERS GO HOW CRAZY IS THAT. A PACK OF ALPHAS SO DOES THE ALPHA PACK HAVE A MAIN ALPHA OR ARE THEY ALL PSYCHOTIC KILLERS???? WELL WHATEVER HAPPENS DEREK HALE WILL WHOOP ASS... AND SO WILL CRIS ARGENT AND MR. STILINSKY...
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Well said my friend! I have absolutely no complaints about this season.. Except maybe Allison. Actually, come to think of it, the only characters I DON'T like on this show are Scott and Allison. LOL Still, that doesn't take away from the series as a whole so NBD. :)
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The less significant werewolves are kind of boring too. I don't even remember the big black guy's name. He usually doesn't even get to speak. The girl he hangs out with (suddenly I can't remember her name either), was absolutely horrible at first, but I think she has some potential. She just needs to lose that "look how evil I am" behavior and some of her makeup.



I agree that Scott and Allison aren't good enough. Scott is too dumb and Allison is just acting too weird.
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LOL I know right!? I can't remember her name suddenly either..but I know EXACTLY what you mean. "Look how evil I am" LOL she totally has that attitude/look. ugh



even so, this show is so awesome that it barely bothers me.
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Yeah I know what you mean. Something about Stiles being empathetic with someone kinda forces you to do the same.. It got to me too! I've always liked Boyd though even though his character is far from significant thus far.
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I was a bit eye-rolly at Erica early in the season also, but she started to become more interesting in the episode where she and Stiles interacted (the library fight episode). Although, that could just be because Dylan O'Brien is the best and makes everyone 80 times better (edit: 800 times better) (edit again: 8000 times--oh you get the point). I think with the right kind of attention she could be a very interesting character, a good foil for Allison and even Lydia.
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I've just stumbled upon your recaps today (and read at work, which made me tear up from trying not to cackle like a crazy woman. I was totally not expecting Gerard to be craving the bite, and I was absolutely expecting a higher body count.



Thank you for that gif.
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I thought the finale was pretty good. It had a few nice moments with Stiles, and a nice twist that finally made Scott look a bit less like a really stupid kid. (I'm talking about the thing with the pills. I had totally forgotten that scene from a few episodes back when the vet helped him out with those). The episode was nice visually, not perfect but definitely good. I like how they played the theme music during the main fight. It was like they were saying "THIS is Teen Wolf", and it made me think "Teen Wolf is pretty awesome". I'm guessing that's exactly the reaction they were going for.



So here are some nitpicks:



The worst moment for me was when Derek and Peter simultaneously "attacked" Jackson? I don't even understand what they were trying to do. It looked ridiculous. Were they trying to kill him? Then they should at least have pushed their claws in deeper. Where they trying to just scratch him? Then why was that necessary and why did he "die"?



I think it would have been nice to get some confirmation that Scott (or someone) has finally TOLD Allison what her mother did. There should have been a conversation where he tells her that, and she tells him about the suicide note, to explain why she became such a bitch.



Why did she break up with him? I would have wanted them to address that too. Does she blame him for her mom's death?



As others have pointed out, it didn't really make sense to kidnap Stiles and beat him up. Stiles's comment "you think this was done to hurt ME?" suggests that it was done to hurt his father. But why? It doesn't seem like Gerard had a reason to do that.



Others have also mentioned that Allison's behavior over the last few episodes doesn't make much sense. I agree. Too many personality changes in too little time.



Gerard's plan seemed too complicated. All he wanted was a bite from an alpha. (Does it really have to be an Alpha?). How about knocking on Derek's door and saying "I'll give you a thousand bucks if you bite me"?
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They clawed Jackson to kill him before he transformed into the thing with wings that the budget wouldn't let us see. They didn't slash his throat because he'd bleed all over his chest, and he wouldn't look as good to their target demographic.



Also, it'd be harder to explain him coming back 10 seconds later from that. A couple minutes, sure, but they were running out of time.



Stiles getting beatdown, besides being a gift for me, was to bother Scott...which went nowhere. Stupid, but what else is there to say.



Gerard's master plan, well, a common trick TW uses is making a plan so unnecessary and convoluted that most people won't see it coming...because they were thinking too highly of the show. Sometimes, you just need a 1000-ft water hose to wash your car on your driveway. Nothing deal-breaking, but there's always room for stupid.
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But wasn't it pretty clear that THEIR plan to use Lydia to cure him--thereby NOT becoming a winged critter--had worked? That's the impression I got. I still don't understand why they didn't think Jackson was better, and why they thought they needed to go all slice and dice.
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Yeah, that. It's all pretty loose. Obviously, we know TW had them do it to make Lydia (and a few gullible tweens in the audience) cry, but how to make it make actual sense?



1) Their plan was before they saw Kanima Alpha on the mac. It's only Jackson, so keeping that dick alive wasn't really worth the risk that he could transform into that as soon as they left. He'd been kicking their asses as a beta all season, already.



2) It could've been that 'pain sucking' technique the vet taught Isaac. Maybe they both absorbed the Kanima taint when they gut tenderized him. Maybe that was the other half of the 'true love' plan. Honestly, two claws to the midsection wouldn't kill anyone there.



I'm betting more on #2. I'm sure they'll explain it next year, and it won't be satisfying.
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I totally agree about the the attack on Jackson, I was all like you missed his heart ( or any vital organs) by ten inches! I wish there would have been a longer conversation between Scott and Alison as well, but I liked that scene. I think she broke up with him because she's knows she has a lot of issues to work out and that she just needs to focus on herself right now.
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That's one approach. Or she needs to get over herself, in which case she's doing the exact wrong thing. I can't bring myself to care though. There's no reason we should care if these people are dating. Them dating doesn't prevent most of her family trying to kill him and her dad isn't going to start trying to kill him because they aren't dating, that's what he wants. It's all pretty low stakes, so her motivations really don't matter.
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That's a good point. At the moment, there doesn't seem to be any immediate importance to the Allison/Scott relationship in terms of the larger story. In season one, Scott used her as his anchor, but that's obviously changed in the last season. I'd have really liked to see more of why she broke up with him, because it could have, at the very least, given us some insight as to where Allison was psychologically after all she's been through (and let's at least be fair and say that the girl was put through the ringer this season, so even though her response was extreme, it can be kind of explained).
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1. didnt see that coming,,,,thoufht way more elaborte stuff.

2. hell yes....no one really died....jacksons comebacks dont count...i relly expected isaac to die (tho i woulda been so sad) ..or one of the other 2 pack members....or someone!! lydia, scotts mom, stiles daad, someoooone..



3. ohhh lord i love bianca lawson...she is genre queen, buffy, vampire diaries, and teen wolf....they need to make her series regular...



4.dat gif......sooo dumbb
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Remember in Season 1 when Peter took Scott's very excited mom on a date? Well, the scene was successfully executed because one clearly had the sense that Peter was psychotic--i.e., likely to go bat shit crazy at any moment. So now I'm wondering how in Season 2 did Peter suddenly become the funny, good-looking "sane" one? I though the Animal Doctor was supposed to be this show's "Yoda." Now, it looks like both Derek and Scott now have their own personal yodas. We should all be as lucky.
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I mentioned this in a previous week but just wanted to give a quick shout out to the composer. The last few weeks I've been really noticing the score...very emotive. An Mtv show is always going to be more noticed for it's use of borrowed songs, but I think the score is getting better & better. The music during some of the fights and even over the opening "previously on" montage has a very epic feel. And last weeks opening scene music was lovely & set just the right mood. Really doing a nice job.
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While S2 was definitely a HUGE improvement on S1, this finale was a hot mess. The Jackson resurrection was a total cop-out (they set him up to die...TWICE in TWO episodes. Exclamation mark!)



And the stuff with Gerard felt weak, too. Why didn't Allison, or Argent, or even Scott ACTUALLY kill him? Heaven forbide we actually kill a villain and keep him dead.



Good set-up for next year, but all I really want to know is what Dr. Vet and Miss. Guidance Counselor are up to



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Yes, thank you on Gerard! If I was in that big fight and the antagonist who had just said he would willingly kill ANYONE to get what he wanted--even his son or granddaughter, who he had being choked by a large lizard monster--I would definitely go chop-chop him into pieces while he writhed on the ground. Or at least broken his hip. He was probably old enough to not recover from that.
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While I really really love this show, I gotta agree with you that this finale was kind of a mess. So cheesy! Kinda lame answers to mysteries I've legit been straining my brain over all season! Characters getting complete personality makeovers out of the blue (ahem Peter)! Lame plot hole cop-outs like Scott's whole "remember that time I touched your pills for 2 seconds? Yeah I switched 'em for poison!" thing.



But, I still love this show so I'll totally overlook all of that and just enjoy it
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Why does everyone think it had to be all the pills? If it were all the pills it would be noticed when they weren't having the desired effect. One mountain ash pill was probably sufficient. Unless there's a recommended dosage for mountain ash on webmd that i'm not aware of.
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i think he already had a fake pill box with the mountain ash pills and did the old switcheroo. What do u mean about Peter, u mean the fact that he tried to kill everyon last season n nnow hes helping because he was always pretty awesome!! I love him, I really liked his interaction with Stiles last season so many he could hav that convo again and stiles would be really tempted because he keeps saying how he is helpless to save his friends and that hes no the hero.
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Oh! I have a question. How's Jackson going to explain he is alive?

I mean is he going to live in the woods and run while? How about his parents? They must have known about him being murder on the field.
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Oh. No worries. Easy fix. I just got off the phone (not really) with one of the show's "writers." They plan to have Season 3 open with Jackson stepping out of the shower and Lydia walking into the bathroom only to realize she must have dreamed everything that happened in Season 2.
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Is that the Dallas "it was all a dream" moment?
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Yes. lol. I'm thinking it could very well happen with the opener of Season 3 once the writers of Teen Wolf really come to grips with how dismal a job they did with the Season 2 ending. Teen Wolf could only benefit from a RESET.
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Nah, the only reason to do something that ridiculous is...nothing. Nothing can justify that, not even bringing Alison's mom back. They could do that easily enough.



Not like we saw her buried. Mr Argent did love her very much...
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When people retcon entire seasons, baby jesus cries. There's nothing they did so wrong they can't move forward from.
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That scene doesn't work for me. The shower is Lydia's domain.
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