The 100 "Rubicon" Review: This Is War

The 100 S02E12: "Rubicon"


War is ugly, and people die. No matter what side you're on, casualties are guaranteed. It's a harsh and unfortunate truth, and it's one that Clarke still struggled to come to terms with this week in "Rubicon." To be honest, I'd be concerned if Clarke wasn't affected by the acts of war happening around her and the concept of acceptable losses. It's Clarke's inherent optimism and drive that make her so damn likable and why we root for her to succeed every week. It's also why when she initially fought Lexa's decision to quietly flee Tondc without alerting the people who'd gathered there to the knowledge that a missile attack was imminent, I was glad. Because it meant Clarke was still Clarke and she hadn't lost her sense of compassion after all. But at this point, I also have to question why Clarke was shocked when Lexa declined her suggestion to evacuate. Lexa has never given me any reason to think she'd behave any other way or have any other response to the situation at hand. 

As competent a leader as Clarke's proven to be, she can still be very green when it comes to war and what it means to be a wartime leader. She wasn't groomed for this kind of responsibility and she didn't grow up in a society where violent clashes on this scale were a common occurrence. Up until a few months ago she was locked in a cell, and before that, she had a pretty cushy lifestyle as the daughter of the Ark's chief medical officer and its chief engineer. The fact that she is still finding her way in the dark is good, because if she was suddenly a master of military tactics, I'd be forced to call shenanigans on The 100

Lexa, on the other hand, is another story. I might not always approve of her actions, but she is a skilled commander and not alerting the people of Tondc to the missile is what protected Bellamy and kept the rest of the 47 (er, 45? 44? 43?) alive inside Mount Weather. Choosing to let people die—possibly her own people (the missile was targeted at the leaders of the clans, but obviously there will be other causalities)—was a very difficult decision, but it's what theoretically will keep their inside man safe and allow him the opportunity to save not only Jasper and the rest of the Hundred, but the Grounders who are still being held prisoner. In turn, those young men and women will hopefully be able to aid the larger battle against the Mountain Men that is obviously coming.

This isn't exactly a groundbreaking tactic that Lexa implemented, though. Not subverting every planned Axis attack during World War II is what kept the Germans from discovering that the Allied powers had cracked their codes, and in that same vein, Lexa's decision was the right one. The strategic dissemination of knowledge is just as crucial during war as the bloody battles we commonly associate with it. It's important for Clarke to realize that, and it's also important that she realize keeping the secret after the fact is equally important to their mission. If word were to get out that Lexa and Clarke knew about the attack and did nothing to stop it, the alliance with the other 12 Grounder clans could fall apart and their chances of defeating the Mountain Men would be lost. I'll be surprised, however, if people aren't a little suspicious that they were the only two people to have escaped unharmed. (That being said, I'm very glad Kane was off searching the woods, because if Kane ever dies I am boycotting this show.)

Still, Abby's shock at realizing Clarke not only knew about the missile headed straight toward the village, but that she willingly went along with Lexa's plan to flee (after some gentle coercion), also felt right. Abby is struggling to come to terms with the idea that her daughter is no longer a child and is extremely capable as a leader, which is a large part of the tension between the two women. But Abby is also trying to be the leader she thinks the Sky People need, and as excited as I was to hear Clarke tell her mother that she was in charge last week, I was equally excited for Abby's counter this week when she told Clarke she didn't need her permission to go to Tondc. This ongoing power struggle is one of my favorite aspects of The 100 right now, and I hope that it continues until the show finds the time to actually deal with the leadership issues that plague the Sky People as a whole. (I recognize I might be alone in my interest in this seemingly boring aspect of the show, but hey the formation of new societies and how they adapt to changing environments can be interesting, OK?!)

With so many different groups of people in the mix, everyone thinks they're doing the right thing. And everyone, including Abby and Jaha, are right to an extent. It's easy to see why fans don't like them when they're constantly butting heads with our protagonist, or fighting against the main action, but I do think both characters make valid arguments. Both Abby and Jaha are reasonably levelheaded and have had experiences that Clarke has not. For instance, Abby knows that Clarke will have to live with her decision to let those people die, and she understands how hard that will likely be for her because she's already lived through it. She chose what she thought was the greater good of her people over her husband's life and she also sent the Hundred down to the ground. Abby has felt the guilt that will probably eat away at Clarke and she doesn't want that for her. Clarke has already felt that guilt in the wake of Finn's death, but this will be on a larger scale. Hate on Abby and her "their blood is on your hands" line all you want, but she's not wrong. If Clarke isn't affected by this, there's a problem.

So Abby and Jaha are thinking about the longterm, big picture of the Sky People, while Clarke is focusing on what's in front of her at this moment and what she can do to fix it. Saving her comrades inside Mount Weather is her number one priority at the moment—as it should be—and she's done an excellent job building alliances and doing what's necessary to save them. Meanwhile, Abby is thinking about the overall wellbeing of the people who aren't stuck inside Mount Weather. Is she wrong to do so? Absolutely not. It's the same reason Jaha's decision to lead a group of 12 other men (the number 13 clearly has significance on this show, eh?) on a quest to find the legendary City of Light is important. All of these leaders bring different qualities to the table, but there will always be people who disagree with their choices, and it's that conflict that keeps us tuning in week after week. Well, that and the missiles.

The title of this episode was "Rubicon" and the term "crossing the Rubicon" has its roots in Roman history, referring to when Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon river, considered to be an act of rebellion at the time. The expression has since come to mean passing a point of no return, and several characters did just that this week. In addition to Clarke's choice, Jaha's men has to make a quick decision after Emori and her accomplice tricked them and stole their provisions. Did they carry on without or turn back to Camp Jaha? Murphy, of all people, was the leader in the decision to keep going after Emori told him the City of Light was due north from where she left them. The two of them seemed to bond and I wonder if we'll see her again or if her only purpose was to push Murphy in the right direction. Either way, his line about not having faith, but rather having nothing better to do was classic Murphy. (Side note: When did I start liking this character? Man, putting him next to Jaha has really brought yet another great dynamic to the series.)

And speaking of great dynamics, how about that final scene between Cage and Dante? Cage wants nothing more than his father's approval, and he's just not getting it. Dante wasn't proud of his son's actions, and he doesn't share his ruthless and reckless nature. Dante has made mistakes, sure, but he didn't approve of what Tsing and Cage did in an effort to further their own agenda. I don't know how he'll react in the coming weeks now that Cage has given him the bone marrow that will finally allow him to walk on the surface, but it's going to be yet another interesting clash of ideologies. 

The 100 loves to put its characters between a rock and a hard place and watch them try to navigate the best course of action. And it thrives on it. The lesson here is that the greater good triumphs over individual preferences and that the end will hopefully justify the means. It's just the way war—and the world in general—works. This decision of Clarke's was not made lightly, but its consequences will continue to play out and affect our characters like they always do. It was also another example of the writers making good on their promises. They've always followed through on them before—think about the men and women who died in "Twilight's Last Gleaming" or even Finn's death—so it makes sense they would here too. When most other shows would have had Bellamy rush in to stop the Mountain Men from launching the missile, The 100 took pleasure in launching it and then asking, "What are you going to do about it?"

Well, what are you going to do about it, Clarke?



VITAL STATS



– Raven seems to be able to calm Clarke down and talk her off the ledge. I enjoy this friendship immensely. It would have been so easy for the writers to make them rivals, but they're a great team.

– The hardest part of watching Dante is that I closely associate Raymond Barry with the character he played on Justified for four seasons. Arlo was such an opportunistic jackass who SPOILER ALERT! attempted to kill who he thought was his own son once just for his own gain. Seeing Barry in a role where he actually values the lives of others even a little bit is strange.

– Cage launching that missile adds yet another layer to this story because it moves up the timetable a bit. Attacking first is a statement, and I'm not entirely sure Cage has really thought this through. Now that Tsing is dead, is there anyone else who could even theoretically perform the surgeries necessary for the bone marrow? How big of an army would they have that could go above ground? He seems to think the Grounders will tear themselves apart in the aftermath of the bombing, but I don't know.

– Octavia is now referring to herself as a Grounder (as if her changing appearance didn't already give it away), and the way she shamed Lincoln—who isn't in full-on reaper mode, but definitely not the Lincoln we all know and love—was baller. 

– WHERE IS WICK? I MEAN, SERIOUSLY.

– Dante helped Bellamy save the rest of the Hundred by giving him information on how to create a breach. I'm just gonna leave this right here:

 

What did you think of "Rubicon"?

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Dec 22, 2015
So Jaha or Murphy the post-apocalyptic Moses now? :)
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Jul 06, 2015
This is the best damn scifi I've seen since ... forever. It's really great!
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Apr 23, 2015
I think the people in Tondc could still be alive if Clarke just declared that she and others has spotted a sniper(s) from the Mountain Men in their vicinity (even if its untrue).

In turn, she and Lexa can order their people to scram away in all directions and comb the forest for the said sniper(s).

As a consequence, they save their own people in Tondc and protected Bellamy. What do you think?
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Feb 16, 2015
A, as always.
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Feb 15, 2015
EPIC that's the word for this episode EPIC. The complexity of this show just continues to amaze me the characters develop in real ways and do very real things in a time of war, war is not pretty it's horrible and 97% of the time not nessasery but here was is the first and last option they have THERES no reasoning with cage as in his mind what he's doing is saving his people just as clarke and Lexa are saving there people. I just love the ever growing tense relationship between clarke and abby there's alot of baggage that hasn't been resolved and should be until everything calms down. I'm soooooo happy about kane being alive if he died I don't really know what I'd do. Octavia is the BOMB her interaction with linchin was brilliant oh and thank god he's semi ok. Clarke is very quickly learning what is needed in war I'm so glad that she hasn't just turned into Lexa and kept her spark but by only telling Lexa about the bomb was a very leadership decision, and it's very easy for me to say that abby is being ridiculous but she not she's watching her once sweet daughter change right in front of her into this strong independent adult who has to make compromising choices for the better good. I'm not going into JAHA because I don't really care if he falls into a sand pit and dies.
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Feb 14, 2015
First of all, kudos for blowing up the village. Most shows would have found a last-minute save, but the 100 is consistent in that regard: they don't pull their punches. That village sure is having a shitty year though.

As for the Cage and Dante interactions, I am really enjoying them. The fact that I love Raymond Barry's work as Arlo Givens on Justified probably contributes to that, but it makes for a really interesting dynamic, real characters, with real, conflicting motivations, instead of generic despotic bad guys.

That said, Dante's holier than thou attitude about "selling their souls" falls a little flat coming from the leader of a society that has oppressed, bled, killed and turned people into junkie murderers / kidnappers / cannibals for almost a century.

Cage should really call him on his bullshit. So, it's OK to have killed hundreds of "savages", to have crashed the pod killing "civilized people", and to continue killing "savages" for the forseeable future. Killing under 50 people to ensure they'll never need to bleed a grounder again, however, is considered crossing the line somehow.
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Feb 16, 2015
Hmmm well I think that you and I, under normal circumstances, would let no one die, neither grounders nor sky people (and neither would they!).

Dante let grounders die, but not Sky people. Cage lets grounders AND Sky peopole die.

What we have here is different shades of grey. If you and I were in those circumstances, we'd like to believe we absolutely would not argue like Cage. But could we swear we wouldn't try to tell ourselves that sacrificing Grounders is justifiable? I sure hope we wouldn't try to tell ourselves that. I sure hope I'd rather die than let anyone die just so that I could live. But do I know for sure?

I only know Cage is more ruthless than his Dante; not that Dante is houlier than thou or than anyone else except Cage and the doc.

I'm pretty sure Dante also knows that it's not OK to kill hundreds of savages, but that was a choice he made, just like Clarke and Lexa chose to let hundreds in the village die. Who wants to throw the first stone?

(PS. I'll throw it at Cage and the Doc anytime!)
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Feb 17, 2015
As far as we know, Dante was in charge when... uh... Ellen Tigh commandeered the rescue pod and left the Ark. Mount Weather crashed the Ark. It's safe to say that Dante saw them as a menace and killed them.

As for the rest, I'm not condemning what they did or did not do. I love complex characters. I'm just saying that when Dante yells about "losing their souls", he's not making much sense. Cage is not doing any worse than Dante did.

Also, Dante getting the "miracle heal-all shot" before the eventual downfall of Cage and rescue of the hostages probably means he'll stick around for next season.

Maya, however, is probably gonna burn.
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Feb 18, 2015
Yeah, Maya. I just can't like her. At first glance she seems brave and selfless, willing to die for the good cause, but - did she ever raise the topic of the innocent children and ask to discuss how to save them? No. Did she ever show concern about her own parents (or other close ones) going to die? No. She's just helping the good cause with no concern at all about innocents or loved ones who will die in the process. It's thanks to Bellamy that the Arkers are even aware there are little children in the mountain, not Maya. So: she's either brave and selfless, or stupid. Maybe she is simply brave and stupid. IF she survives and all the kids die, I at least hope she will stand strong and say: "Yep, that was the cost of the good cause, just like Lexa and Clarke sacrificed the villagers and countless other examples of sacrificing people for the cause" rather than "Oh no, had I only stopped to think about the kids... that just never occurred to me!" because that's stupid on a scale that I just won't be able to forgive.
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Feb 14, 2015
Right now the 100 is the best show of CW
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Feb 18, 2015
Honestly, it's the best show I'm watching on any channel.
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Feb 14, 2015
Intense episode!
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Feb 14, 2015
Clarke's Grounder bodyguard looks a lot like Gustus. Jasper was badass!! and it was great seeing Tsing getting a dose of karmic radiation.
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Feb 14, 2015
Am the only one who wants clarke and kane 2gether?u know...as a couple.. :p
There is so much sexoual tension between them..
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Feb 16, 2015
This is probably the only CW show that doesn't care about romantic relationships so why bring shipping into the mix? Just because two actors have great chemistry onscreen doesn't mean they should get together. I blame Twilight...
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Feb 16, 2015
Yep you're the only one! Zero tension between them. I'd ship Abby and Kane though.
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Feb 14, 2015
Why on earth don't the TV.com techies/web designers give us a THUMBS DOWN button?!
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Feb 17, 2015
:-P
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Feb 17, 2015
:)
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Feb 14, 2015
What the f**k is wrong with you????????????
Or you're one of those persons who ship everything that move's?
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Feb 17, 2015
Lol...nope...i just think that they look good 2 gether..that's all ....:-P
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Feb 13, 2015
The article mentions the moral issues of the Enigma machine code crack and the Allies not acting on all the information which resulted in loss of life, in an effort to not show their hand to the enemy.
The moral issues also reminded me of the claim that FDR knew about the approaching attack on Pearl Harbor and ignored it to help bring us into the War as a united nation.
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Feb 14, 2015
One of the Japanese codes (the one used to transmit the war declaration to the Japanese Embassy in D.C.) was fully decoded by 1941 by the U.S. Intelligence but the Japanese Imperial Navy Code (the operational code of the attacks) was not, yes the probability of one attack in the Pacific was very high, but the real factors that allowed the Pearl Harbor attack were mainly the lack of effective communications and underestimation of the enemy's capabilities, something the United States keep doing to this day (Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Iran, Lebanon, Somalia, 9/11, Iraq , Afghanistan, ISIS)
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Feb 15, 2015
You are not wrong. No offense, but it is damn depressing. Being American can be disheartening.
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Feb 14, 2015
Thanks for the interesting background. I noted that it was a claim only and it sounds like FDR did not actually face the ethical dilemma shown in The 100 episode.
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Feb 14, 2015
FDR didn't know about the attack.
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Feb 13, 2015
You are not I alone as I too love the exploration into how new societies are formed in this show. I personally think it's the most interesting story as well all the relationships between different characters. I have to admit that I spent a few days thinking about the decision not to evacuate TonDC in light of the missile attack. Could there have been another way around it that would have saved lives without jeopardizing Bellamy's position as a spy? Just when I think I've got the answer, I realize there is whole set of problems and it wouldn't workout either. The show is getting better dealing with the consequences of the choices that the characters make. However this episode also highlighted that we can't control the actions and decisions other people make. This is what put Clarke in a very hard place. She never predicted that Cage would use a missile against them and underestimated his bold arrogance. It forced both her and Lexa to make a very hard decision. Mind you the decision had more of an effect on Clarke than it seemed with Lexa but that is because she is very new to the concept of war. Another solid episode and looking forward to next week.
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Feb 14, 2015
I love the world building on this show. Hopefully though next season we see Some civilization building. The Arkers and the Grounders trading knowledge and strengthening their alliance. The Twelve Grounder tribes uniting and creating something new. There is so much more to explore than just issues of leadership. The morality of cultures mixing, and learning from each other as opposed to constant struggle and war. It can be made exciting and Rothenberg could expand the depth of the show as well as its breadth.
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Feb 13, 2015
LOL i was like who is wick? imdb...WHERE IS WICK?! the craziness of the 100 makes me forget things like this but never again. Also can we not get Raven some help, I feel like the poor girl is doing everything herself? Crazy ep, seeing the doctor burn was soooo satisfying haha. Hopefully the guys will get out soon!
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Feb 14, 2015
Really,who is wick?
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Feb 14, 2015
Haha he's that cute engineer guy. Remember he helped Kade when they were in space? And he has some good chemistry with Raven.
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Feb 13, 2015
Seriously, where IS Wick? At least he got name-dropped this week, which is more acknowledgement than the last half dozen or so episodes have given him.... Has the actor moved on to another project, perhaps?
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Feb 13, 2015
He guest-starred in Hindsight last week, but I haven't actually checked to see if he's on anything long-term yet.
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Feb 13, 2015
Another great episode! However, I do disagree about Abby's righteous indignation regarding Clarke's knowledge of the missile attack and choice to save the mission over the camp meeting. How many people did Abby and the council vent or suffocate to death on the space station to extend the oxygen supply for everyone else? They sent 100 kids to the surface of the planet basically expecting them to die. She even sacrificed her own husband for the "greater good". If ANYONE should understand sacrificing a few for the greater mission, it should be Abby. When Clarke grabbed her in a panic told her they needed to run and she kept stopping to be bossy and grill Clarke, I wanted Clarke to smack Abby upside the head so bad...!! Even after the missile hit, she should have been like, "Next time I tell you to run, YOU RUN!"
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Mar 04, 2015
Its funny that you say this because in the next episode, Kane aka (the voice of reason) gives Abby a wake up call and reminds her of everything you just mentioned that they did on the ark. She even says herself 'I even floated the man I love to protect our people' something like that. The 100 does this kind of thing so well where they do not let things like that go unchecked. That's why it is so damn awesome!
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Mar 04, 2015
Agreed. The writing on this show is always sharp and intelligent. One of the best writing teams out there!
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Mar 04, 2015
You're exactly right! He totally called her out on it! It a sure sign of a great writing team and part of the reason it's become one of my favorite shows on television!
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Feb 16, 2015
Yeah, that would have been the appropriate comment! In this episode it was clearer than ever that Clarke is more mature in her leader role now than Abby. It must be difficult for a mom to accept that her daughter has surpassed her in maturity (in this certain aspect), which certainly doesn't make it easier for Abby to accept Clarke's decision. But also, and foremost, Abby just isn't there yet in her leadership development, she hasn't reached that point yet - she probably can't understand yet, even if she did not suffer from the "mom-complex".
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Feb 15, 2015
Abby was completely against the culling of the 320 people in space. She voted against it, begged for more time, and was essentially left out of the final vote that let it take place. As for her husband, she did NOT get him killed for the greater good. She went to his friend to try and stop him from going public. Had she kept quiet and he'd gone public, the outcome was still the same. He'd have been floated. So why don't we blame Jake's lack of patience for getting himself floated? He could have waited some time and came up with a plan, but instead he wanted to insight an uprising and riots. Abby wanted to prevent that. And save his life. That is not the same as sacrificing him for the greater good.
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Feb 13, 2015
"RUN, BARRY, RUN!"
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Feb 13, 2015
LMFAO!!!
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Feb 13, 2015
Yeah, Abby is such a damn hypocrite. As much as I like the actress, I was still kinda hoping Abby would buy it LOL.
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Feb 13, 2015
Question: I did not understand what the runner in the radiation suit told the creepy guy at the start about the people in the camp. Can anyone quote him?

In general I found the episode really silly. Not like Mount Weather had the means to watch the camp and especially if they had bothered to "camouflage" strawpeople around the fires. She could have delegated this to her mother while even going after her own silly plan.
Giving the gun to someone who is so nervous and fearful to shoot some random soldier into the vest instead of the scientist that does the actual extraction process. 40 people in a room versus 5-6 people, apparently the skypeople have no will to survive.
No clue why they did not got to free the imprisoned outlanders, they are skilled fighters instead.
The only thig that felt halfway authentic was the time pressure which gadgets to get built first on the discussion with the tech girl.
Also as leader of the desert group I'd have taken a shot at the bazooka guy, headshot would have prevented the bazooka anyhow risking the guy with the knife on his throat, but I suppose a cold blooded quick clean kill might have intimidated the mutant girl. After all there are more lifes at stake than the 1 guy.
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Feb 16, 2015
I find it easy to believe that 40 civilians will fail against 5-6 armed and trained guys.
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Feb 13, 2015
He didn't say anything about the people in the camp, he said "You're too far from the door, sir, way too far." Then they talked about the marrow treatment working.
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Feb 13, 2015
Thanks. Found the muffled voices under the mask difficult to understand.
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Feb 13, 2015
This show continues its impeccable run of quality shows.

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Feb 13, 2015
Deconstructing Clarke

What in the name of all that is holy do Messrs. Rothenberg & Co. think they're doing? Haven't they gone to TV school? Don't they know that you're not allowed to do stuff like that in a show. Don't they realize that simple TV is not supposed to be like this?

Well, in a word, no.

For the last season and a half the show has built Clarke up to be a de facto moral and actual leader, and we like it (don't lie to me, I know you jumped in the air and "whooped" in last week's "I am in charge" moment). She has made tough decisions but has always taken the high road, as much as circumstances allowed.

But in "Rubicon" (with a little help and set-up from the last couple of episodes) Clarke's story and character has definitely taken a turn for the worse.

Clarke the Leader: Her leadership qualities were called into question by a decision which, while arguably correct in a strict sense, wasn't reached in the best of ways. Clarke left herself to be influenced too much by Lexa and didn't try to find a better solution. Until now she proved her capacity to find solutions in impossible situation. Not this time, and the audience (I think) will love her the less for it.

Clarke & Bellamy: While not expressly saying so, the show has toyed with the possibility that there's something going on between those two. In the very least, they work very well together when it comes to saving the (quickly diminishing) 100. This episode probably put a halt on that. Clarke has been hard on Bellamy, trying to make him complete his mission and topped it off by lying to him about the whereabouts of Octavia. And Bellamy now knows. There will be some sort of reckoning when he gets out of Mt. Weather.

Clarke & Abby: Their relation has reached a new low point after this episode's events. While I may disagree with Abby's insistence on asserting herself as a leader and attempts to protect a daughter who, in some respects, is much better equipped than herself, she is definitely right about this one. Their relation has suffered and this won't go away any time soon.

All in all, Clarke is in a downward spiral, she is losing friends and allies fast and, worse, her image is seriously tarnished by her recent actions.

Again, Messrs. Rothenberg & Co. are you crazy to "destroy" like this our beloved heroine? Probably yes and that's why we love your show.

Honorable Mentions
- Jasper became a man and had a hand in Dr. Tsing's horrible death. My best scene from this episode. Appreciated both for Jasper's cold fury and for the horribleness of Tsing's death!
- Jaha didn't annoy me too much.

Dishonorable Mention
Octavia outgroundered the Grounders. Too much, too fast. Her shaming Lincoln felt more connected to her Grounder pride than from her love for Lincoln. (IMO obviously)

P.S. Kane always rules!
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Feb 16, 2015
I think it's natural if the audience likes Clarke less for this decision, but on the other hand, becoming a leader in wartime IS likely to make you less liked, because you WILL have to take tough decisions, and they won't always be optimal, because you're under stress, time pressure and you're unfortunately not sitting there with a book full of the right answers in your hand. So yeah, Clarke is not the untarnished, perfect leader other TV-shows would serve you, that you just won't find out there in the real world. It's not black and white. And you're right, that's why I love this show.
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Feb 16, 2015
100% with you on that. I have absolutely NO problem with Clarke taking tough or even bad decisions. This show streches credulity in some respects, but IMO Clarke's journey to become a leader is definitely NOT one of those.

I was only amazed at the choice of the writers to inflict major damage on every level of Clarke's life. They seem to want to strip Clarke of all her support, emotional or otherwise. Looking forward to what's ahead!
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Feb 13, 2015
This show continually amazes me. The dialogue, the tension, the multi-dimensional characters, everything is always so spot on. No one is all good or all bad, the writers regularly subvert what would be expected from a situation and the characters grow and develop in realistic ways under the circumstances they're in. So fantastic!
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Feb 13, 2015
If you look on imdb.com Alycia Debnam Carey(Lexa) end's her journey on the episode 14 ''Bodyguard of Lies''. But who knows... maybe they didn't update the site...
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Feb 16, 2015
Thanks for the spoiler! Just what I wanted!
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Feb 18, 2015
It's all over the place, she has a job with zombies which is likely a far better opportunity for her, exposing her to a huge demographic of viewing audience. If I was given the chance to be a town councilor or Prime Minister of a nation, I know where I'd go. Welcome Octavia as the new grounder commander.
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Feb 13, 2015
I'm very glad Kane was off searching the woods, because if Kane ever dies I am boycotting this show.)

LOL I find him very attractive too (mind & body) :-P

The death of the doctor was a bit cartoonish but... I can live with it! LOL!

I have to say this is the best YA sci-fi that I have seen on TV!
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Feb 13, 2015
Bit of a messy show for me this week, slightly too much going on.
Is Bellamy seriously hanging out with the guards without them realising nobody knows him?! Must be that hideous uniform. He should have given the gun to Miller though. Poor dead ginger guy whose name I never knew. I like how terrified Jasper is all the time even though he's getting shit done.

I am am sad for Murphy, thought he finally had a friend. Please kill Jaha soon - he oozes smugness rather than faith. And if the city is that hard to find and get to, what the hell kind of city is it anyway? Or is everyone trying to get to Paris and they haven't figured out there's an ocean in the way?

i don't hate Abby but I think they are pushing the mothering bit too hard. She seems to have put leadership to one side to be a Mom. Why did she leave Camp Jaha when Clarke and Kane were already at TonDC?

I think Clarke is on the verge of losing it. Way too much is resting on the shoulders of a teenager with no experience. She's not herself and some of her actions reflect that. When Raven hugs her you see her shake off the role for a moment. Cause what's she gonna do? Can't just cry in the corner so she's putting on the act and totally winging it but now it's not just the 100 the stakes are massive and even the right decisions come with deadly consequences. But realistically if they had tried to arrange an evacuation they'd probably all be standing round in one place as Clarke says " we need to leave now, there's a...." kapow, even more people dead. I think she's still trying to go with the whole love is weak philosophy - she doesn't tell Bellamy where Octavia is because she doesn't want him distracted. She's coping the best she can but she's kinda drowning.

Kane on the other hand is making a lot of sense lately and definitely getting more attractive. Although that might just be because Bellamy is wearing beige.
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Feb 16, 2015
Well, it does feel like the decent thing to do is to tell Bellamy that Octavia is in the camp. But Clarke was right, how was that piece of information going to help Bellamy complete his mission? What would Bellamy have been able to DO about his sister's situation? What purpose would it have served to tell him? In this case I don't see how the decent thing to do (telling Bellamy in a situation where he's helpless to do anything about it) could have been the decent thing to do...
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Feb 13, 2015
It's not just the beige. It's the hat, too.
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Feb 13, 2015
Ok, that made me howl with laughter!
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Feb 13, 2015
I'm glad they mentioned the Ice Nation again and i think that there's a reason why they mentioned them this episode and it's probably because the explosion will have it's effects on the Ice Nation and that we'll see more of them soon.
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Feb 12, 2015
Not impressed with the entrance of the ice nation, expected a little more.
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Feb 12, 2015
Most excellent review and why I LOVE the 100 more than ever!
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Feb 12, 2015
This show always brings out the smile on my face. What I thought would just another teen angst drama has instead become one of the most anticipated shows of every week for me.

No resorting to deus ex machina in order to skirt terrible things happening on this show. This is one of those shows which asks hard questions and isn't afraid to provide the viewers with even harder answers. No easy way out here, ladies and gentlemen. If someone told me couple of years back I'd watch television like this on a network like CW, I'd call them crazy and laugh 'till I drop.

Oh, and that elevator scene? Brought out the biggest grin on my face since Order 66 back in 2005. Yeah, I'm into Sith.
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Feb 12, 2015
Cage made a big mistake firing that missile. I assume he had only one, so is down one major defense, but the most it is a big mistake because he will have united the clans more tight now. The survivors now really have one common goal and that is to destroy Mount Weather. I'll bet this season's finale will have one hell of a cliffhanger.
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Feb 16, 2015
Why do you assume he only has one?
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Feb 16, 2015
When Cage told his father what he planned to do, his father said something as it being build as a last defence. So I think if it is the last defence, you only have one. But I might be wrong. :-)
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Feb 12, 2015
I didnt care much for season 1, but feel the need to watch the first episode again.
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Feb 13, 2015
I am buying the DVD! :-D
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Feb 12, 2015
Am I the only one who wants to see Clarke go on a self-imposed exile after they have defeated the Mountain Men (meaning during Season 3)? I would just really like to see her strike off on her own and try to find herself while navigating and exploring this new world she and the rest of her people have now become a part of. Really, really, really(!) want this to happen. Which means it probably won't. :_(
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Feb 13, 2015
LOL! It'd be interesting but when the big struggles end she will probably stay in authority for a while!

I do see Bellamy doing a walkabout but not Clarke...
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Feb 12, 2015
I don't know why, because I've been watching this show from the start, but I still always assume there'll be some handy twist at the end of the episodes and everyone is fine. I have to tip my hat to the writers that they keep pushing the characters into these horrible situations and then not taking the easy way out. It speaks to their talent that Clarke can make a pretty awful decision this week and yet we can still sympathise with her. At the same time we're pretty appalled by it.

I could be wrong but I feel like the writers on this show are all history buffs. A lot of things that have happened since the first episode reflect real life historic events and, as pointed out in this review, sometimes in war bad things were allowed to happen to allow the bigger victory down the line. Whether it's deliberate or coincidental it makes for some very fine drama.

Also the fact that this show is character driven is maybe my favourite thing about it. Yes it's billed as a Sci-Fi, post apocalyptic type of thing but the setting and the specifics of the world are all secondary to the characters. Bar the blip with Finn going off the deep end earlier this season everything the characters have done, good and bad, have made absolute sense.

Lastly... I do not give a fat rat's about Jaha or his quest for the Emerald City.
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Feb 13, 2015
not taking the easy way out

I hear yah! That's what makes this show different.

The quest for the Emerald City sounds intriguing... If I were in "that universe" I would be torn apart between wanting to explore and find that city and staying and fighting to unite the grounder clans and the sky people...
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Feb 12, 2015
I love the parallel story lines of Cage and Clarke, and their conflicts with their parents.

Both of them are trying to justify that they are doing right for their people.
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Feb 13, 2015
Time for Dante and Abby to meet up somewhere and complain about their kids and their lost values. :-)
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Feb 12, 2015
Seriously at this point I don't give a rat's ass about Octavia and Lincoln.

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Feb 12, 2015
So hating Abby right now. What would she have done? Clarke did not make the decision alone.

For the greater Good

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Feb 12, 2015
I'm sorry, but the numbers don't add up. You allow the enemy to kill a lot of people in hope to save your inside agent, that COULD save about the same number of people? I call bullshit on this.
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Feb 12, 2015
Actually it's a perfectly legitimate wartime strategy. You allow the enemy to inflict acceptable casualties in order to preserve the advantage you have over him and not tip them off about the said advantage.

Take German Enigma machine as an example. Turing and his team cracked it and had all U-boat positions in the Atlantic on their board, as well as their orders. They could have stopped every attack, but only for a very limited time before the Germans realized their messages are being decrypted as soon as they are being sent. If that happened, Allies would be back at the beginning, trying to crack some new code and machine. To prevent that, they acted on a a very limited amount of intelligence gleaned from Enigma. Only that which was most crucial to win the war. No one new Enigma was even broken. Not the Germans and not the Allies either. What came out of Bletchley Park was mysteriously dubbed "Ultra intercepts" and everyone thought it was human intelligence and not code-breaking. I recommend watching "The Imitation Game" to see just how viable this strategy actually is.
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Feb 13, 2015
lol for comparing this plot to Enigma.
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Feb 13, 2015
There are also some superb books on cracking the Enigma code. Especially the one titled Enigma: The Battle for the Code.
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Feb 13, 2015
Well said...
I recommend reading the book it is even more interesting! I am not done myself, half-way through it. I got interrupted by two hard sci-fi books and a fantasy one LOL!

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Feb 13, 2015
Which sci-Fi and fantasy? I am always on the look out for new authors.
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Feb 13, 2015
David Brin is not new but he's one of my favourites. I was reading one of his latest books: "Existence" . I you have not read Brin before, I would suggest you start by the early Uplift trilogies.

I read a book from another one my favourites: "Antarctica" by Robinson, Kim Stanley.

A few years ago I tried a fantasy book recommended by a friend (very picky about fantasy) and liked it very much. This X'mas I thought I was buying the last book of a trilogy and it ended up being a... well I don't know what to call that there are 7 books now! It's by a couple who write under the name of "Ilona Andrews" it's the Kate Daniels series, this is
the first book; Magic Bites.
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Feb 12, 2015
It's about the long game. Saving the people inside Mount Weather leads to taking down the Mountain Men once and for all, thus ending their reign of terror and the harvesting of Grounders. It's losing a battle in order to win a war. Happens all the time.
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Feb 12, 2015
War is usually not a good idea, so if you start one and you actually want to justify it, the end goal better have a proportion to the lost lives. I am pretty sure it wasn't the case here. The goal is to free those people at moutain weather and eventually make those mountain people weak so they leave them alone. Allowing a 100 of your own people to die on a chance for a spy to survive, in this scenario, it is VERY questionable.
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Feb 12, 2015
But it's not just about saving Bellamy, it's about ending a war that's arguably been going on for decades between the Grounders and the Mountain Men. Bellamy is the tip of the iceberg and him succeeding now is ultimately what allows them the opportunity to end the larger war later. They can't let him get caught because they can't let the Mountain Men know that they've infiltrated the Mountain and cracked their radio communications yet. It's about much, much more than Bellamy at this point, but he plays a crucial role. If they can defeat the Mountain Men for good, that means no one else has to die. Making it so they can't continue capturing Grounders or Sky People to use their blood or bone barrow, is the end game. It's definitely worth it.
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Feb 13, 2015
One guy only, Bellamy, has to turn down all the facility's defenses and free a whole weak army. One fellow. And they consider this is the best chance to win a war, hence worth all sacrifices. Lexa and Clarke are not as good as super commanders as the show has been leading as to believe so far, and the two teens taking hard choices has gone too far now. I am not defending Abbie's position neither (more of a disappointed mother), but Lexa and Clarke are both very bad at math. Now wait that the clans get to know about this decision of theirs and war is over.
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Feb 13, 2015
So what happens to the Mountain after the war? That is a powerful piece of real estate, maybe too powerful for the Arkers to have. If Lexa is only alive through episode 14, how will Clarke deal with the Grounders? ( Damn Alicia! Sigh, and by that I mean congrats on your new gig.)
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Feb 13, 2015
It's about ending a war that's arguably been going on for decades between the Grounders and the Mountain Men...

Totally agree with you there. They have to strike a final blow: either the Mountain is totally destroyed and that is why Bellamy was so anguished when he saw the children or they have to capitulate. Does Cage look like he is going to capitulate?
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Feb 13, 2015
Is it though, for Clarke? She is totally focussed on the 47 (oops, sorry random red-head redshirt, 46). She actually said something like "we have to save our guys otherwise none of this was worth it". I agree with the greater good theory, that Mt Weather needs taking down even at a cost but does Clarke? I see similarities to Finn, a teenager in way over her head who is hanging it all on one thing - if we rescue our people it'll all be ok.
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Feb 12, 2015
It's not the same amount, it was just a few selected leaders from the diffrent clans.
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Feb 13, 2015
How are leaders viewed who invite all the other tribal leaders to a council meeting and allow them to be murdered?! Are they called traitors? Untrustworthy? Or fluffy, happy, bunnies?
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Feb 16, 2015
That's why Clarke and Lexa will keep it a secret.
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Feb 16, 2015
Secrets not sefrets!
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Feb 16, 2015
Oh please! We all know sefrets come out, especially on TV.
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Feb 12, 2015
I believe there are 12 clans, plus the sky fellows, say 10 people per clan, that's already 130 at the very least, plus the ones arriving last minute. Risking that for 40 from the 100 and the grounders in the cages at this moment in time. And you don't even know forsure if you are goig to rescue them, or even if Bellamy will be discivered if ever they move to avoid the missile. Bullshit.

Another thing that doesn't stick is the mountain's people spy so close to the grounders camp without being noticed. The mountain people may own missiles, but the grounders own the ground. A fellow among the bushes? No way. Bullshit.
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Feb 13, 2015
The MM have been harvesting Grounders for generations. Turning them into Reapers or sucking out their blood. The MM consider them little more than animals, and the MM won't stop turning them into reapers even if they manage to get more bone marrow off the 46. Stopping the MM will save thousands of lives. THAT I think is why it was worth the deaths.
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Feb 13, 2015
Hey Jeremyreed, I cannot reply myself or you, so I answer you in here (the ping doesn't work for me neither, sorry). I am certainly entitled to my opinion, and for it to be as strong as yours, and that doesn't make me more stupid, less of a fan of the show, or less perceptive. I do hope there is no war in your country, though, since you seem to think there is ONLY ONE WAY TO GO with it, and that any sacrifice is fine and not debatable (and then you call me stubborn). Just to be clear, I come here to discuss my favorite show for fun. If this is not fun for you, I suggest you just pass over my opinions and ignore them (this was my own post, look above). I state again that I don't believe that there is EVER just one option and that everything regarding war decisions is subject to scrutiny (like most things in life, really). The only one argument I can accept here is that they had very little time to decide and they did what they could, but it turns out none of you is using that logic! You are convinced this was the only way to go because "make no mistake, this is war"!. So, what, when there is war, nobody makes mistakes? Any sacrifice is always fun, because it is war? I object :)
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Feb 13, 2015
They don't know for sure that the sacrifice will lead to the end of the war. They let them die on a chance only. They are playing the 'bellamy is our only card' too heavily. And he could die or be caught any minute anyways. And then they just have 100-ish more death in their side, and still no plan to save their people and a lot of clan leaders dead and even maybe a new war between them, which would be awesome for the mountain people. VERY debateable choice.
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Feb 12, 2015
All the seconds watching that missile come in from outside the perimeter?

Priceless.
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Feb 12, 2015
Steve Talley(Wick) is not signing any contracts with CW. He is busy with other projects
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Feb 12, 2015
Good bye Doctor Tsing: welcome in hell ...
I'm fully addicted to this show right now.
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Feb 12, 2015
THANK YOUUUU for mentioning WICK!!!!!
Missing his interactions with Raven and Kane. Bring him back please!!!!
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Feb 13, 2015
Oops can't remember who Wick was now... :-S
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Feb 12, 2015
Wick is one of my favorite characters. I know the actor is working on other shows, but to not even mention him when his skills would be extremely useful is annoying.
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Feb 13, 2015
Yes, he is the best!! They should at least mention what he's up to!
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Feb 12, 2015
Watching Dr Tsing die was one of the most satisfying "villain death" I had seen on TV. I apologize in advance to Dr Tsing fans but I really enjoyed it !

So many TV shows gave us great villains to hate but failed to give us the satisfying death they deserve.

I have a feeling Indra did not die. She will find out about Lexa and be out for revenge. My wife have an interesting theory that Indra will kill Lexa and Octavia will end up being the leader of the grounders. I think that is impossible but you never know. Ha!

I must praise the casting of Cage. He really looks like Raymond Barry and very easy to believe he is son of Dante. It is almost as good as casting of the sisters in The Fosters.

I totally forgot Raymond Barry is Arlo, he is just so different here.

So who is counting? Do we have 45 left of the original 100? I am wondering how many will survive by series finale.
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Feb 13, 2015
Dr Tsing fans hahaha! She should of taken her own medicine before she got some of her own medicine! [head hurts in contemplation]
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Feb 13, 2015
Ha ! That might be some out there :-)
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Feb 12, 2015
Oh yes now that Clarke knows Wallace is on their side I hope that he gets to them to help as soon as his crazy son kicks him out
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Feb 12, 2015
there was to many stories to follow in once. I know they have to let us know what's going on with everybody. But we were following: Clarke + Lexa, Bellamy, the 47, Octavia + LIncoln and finally Jaha + Murphy... This was just to much.

I know Octavia needed to get away from TronDC and finding Lincoln was a good way to do that but it could have wait for next episode, now we just know she is Okay.

Clarke and Lexa, fighting again on the "good" way to do war stuff, Lexa keeps telling Clarke what to do and I guess in next episode Clarke would realize that she had other options as she always does. It would have been so easy to get other people out of there they left the meeting room taking tunnels they could have asked for a meeting with the other leader and then escape all toghether.

Bellamy seems to be doing pretty good he managed to spy on Crazy doctoring stuff, on missile launch planning, he managed to get inside the 47's dorm and inside President Wallace quarantine chambers, and some how still finds time to get bakc to Clarke every 3 hours even if he is late sometimes.

Jaha and Murphy, I still don't get it can we have the same story without crazy Jaha. Looks like he is ready to follow everybody who says Jump doesn't even mind to ask "how high? "
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Feb 16, 2015
I like the multiple storylines, but would be interested to know why you think there are too many?
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Feb 17, 2015
I don't think they were too many I just have a problem with this episode, I don't know if it was the editing or the fact that I think some of those story could have waited for an episode or 2.
But in the same time I know the writers have a path to follow.
I usually don't have a problem with the multiple story especially in this show where it might actrually give you a minute to breath between to schoking stuff.
It was just this episode something was off
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Feb 12, 2015
Actually one of my favorite things about 100 is the multiple stories and intense pace. It is what makes the show so exciting. So many other shows filled their episodes with boring stuff and side stories that does not matter.

This show almost every stories matters !
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Feb 12, 2015
I am a big fan of the 100 writers & I usually like the multiple stories but this time I thought this was too much...
I don't really know what but for me something was off with this episode
That's all I meant by that.

And as you said almost all the stories matter... Almost...
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Feb 13, 2015
Too much?

Man, I would say GoT is too much (160 people in the cast), this show is just a warm up for GoT LOL
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Feb 13, 2015
Sorry I don't watch game of thrones .... I tried but it was not for ma
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Feb 13, 2015
This show doesn't have the internally structured misogyny of GoT either.
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Feb 12, 2015
Loved this episode. This show keeps topping itself each week. I'm also really glad they let the missile hit but I kept thinking the whole time that they would find a lame ass way to keep it from hitting.

When they didn't evacuate, I thought they'd find the guy giving coordinates, but then they launched the missile and I thought it would be like a 5 minute countdown, but no, they do a realistic countdown and gave them no time to do anything which was awesome.
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Feb 12, 2015
Why cannot they use the bone marrow form the population outside of the base and leave the new arrivals alone????
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Feb 13, 2015
If I recall correctly, the bone marrow from the sky people was "altered" so they could live on their station (without the protective atmosphere around earth)
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Feb 13, 2015
It isn't the atmosphere that protects you from cosmic rays-- it is the magnetosphere.
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Feb 12, 2015
Clarke didn't warn anyone when she came riding in. Lexa was only following Clarke's lead on not telling anyone. Also the power struggle between Clarke and Addy is annoying. Ugh, people and their wrong opinions.
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Feb 13, 2015
So who's the person with "wrong opinions" in this case?
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Feb 12, 2015
Clarke wanted to discuss it with Lexa first instead of just running in there and telling everyone. After speaking to Lexa, she wanted to warn them.
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Feb 12, 2015
That is correct and I love the tension between Abby and Clarke.
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Feb 12, 2015
Question! How does one become a Grounder, a warrior, and learn the language in as little time as Octavia did? Grounder's spend their whole life training and learning the Grounder ways...but Octavia does it in like 4 days. Octavia's great but it's so unrealistic, isn't it?
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Feb 16, 2015
Nah, just because she dresses like a grounder and talks like one, doesn't mean that she can already fight like one. We haven't seen her win in a real fight yet (that mountain man she managed to take down because she cut his suit open. Don't recall any other fight (fistfight or otherwise ) that she won. But she's brave and courageous!
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Feb 12, 2015
It says so in the script.
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Feb 12, 2015
I disagree on U about Clarke & Raven staying friends I disliked the hug I don't feel Raven should be ready to forgive Clarke that quickly espically after she accused her after killing Finn I rather have had them become Rivals who can tolerate and have a great deal of respect for each other because they know they know them arguing isn't going get their people back anytime soon.

Back to Clarke im glad the writers are making her more cold hearted by listening to Alexa's request to flee quickly though they should injure themselves to some extent to make it look they had no idea what happened and anyone feel Clarke might start to lose sight of her goal She knew Octavia was in the danger zone but she left her to die or for dead and coldly told Raven not to tell Bellamy so he doesn't lose sight of our goal ouch that's not only his sister thats also one of ur people and ur friend.

Luckily Octavia got out of there and reunited with Lincoln whos fighting his drug addiction and Octavia tells him to suck it up and follow her before calling herself a grounder ok scene but I didn't care for it.

Bellamy and Jasper finally reunite and the 46 (remember that criminal got surgically tested) fight back against the mountain men and Bitch face doctor got what was coming to her and died in the most ironic way possible.

And Jaha & Murphy do make a good duo we all thought they would just be two characters put together because they have nothing else to do in the main plot but it works then we thought it would.

Overall 6.5/10
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Feb 16, 2015
Remember Raven was to suffer the same fate as Finn would have, if Clarke and Bellamy hadn't figured out it was Lexa's cup that was poisoned.

The few cuts she received and witnessing what happened to Lexa's right hand made her realize that Clarke had saved Finn. That's why she has forgiven Clarke and if she hadn't after that I would think her very unreasonable.

What Clarke did was hard and I believe Raven respects that she could.
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Feb 12, 2015
Clarke not telling Bellamy about Octavia wasn't being cold. That was actually to protect him, like Raven said. She wanted his mind to stay focus on saving himself and the kids, instead of worrying about Octavia when there was nothing he could do to help her,
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Feb 12, 2015
I agree but my point is she's letting one of her own die for more and she knows Octavia a lot more then the other 47 my point is she might be losing sight of her goal
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Feb 12, 2015
Jason said she couldn't find Octavia. I do think it would have been to risky to warn anyone though, because then what happens if that person wanrs everyone? She only managed to wanr ABby last second, if it had been 5 mins earlier, Abby would have ran and told everyone. Saving 1 person or savin everyone at MW? You have to look at the big picture.
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Feb 12, 2015
Why should Raven not be ready to forgive Clarke when Clarke didn't do any wrong in killing Finn? Raven saw at the end of 2x09, when Gustus was getting tortured, that what Clarke did helped Finn. That Finn would have died anyway but Clarke saved him from suffering. She wasn't going to be fine with Clarke possibly dying. She was worried for her. Raven is might still be a little angry at Clarke, but she cares about her.
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Feb 12, 2015
That's what could've happened to her if Clarke didn't figure out what really happened and she still let them torture her to near death, but i still would've rather have Raven tell Clarke to come back safe then hug her I want this broken trust to slowly rebuild itself between the two
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Feb 13, 2015
You know that sometimes love turns to hate very quickly? The opposite is also true. I think Raven is rather impressed with Clarke and is the type of person (technical background sometimes help) that will think, draw conclusions and try to separate issues so she can make sense of them.

She is probably hurting and all but she was able to see the whole picture. What were the options: suffer the torture or a quick death. She is a junior engineer she understands about options. She probably has thought about that over and over herself and is impressed Clarke took the decision. I know I would be...
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Feb 13, 2015
It is more fun when Clarke and Raven are interacting as friends.
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Feb 12, 2015
I'm so glad Dr Tsing died from radiation exposure before getting the treatment!
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Feb 12, 2015
Serve her right for being so cocky that she didn't bother giving herself the treatment early on.
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Feb 12, 2015
The death was very satisfying :-)
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Feb 12, 2015
Plus she's EVIL! lol
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Feb 12, 2015
"If word were to get out that Lexa and Clarke knew about the attack and did nothing to stop it, the alliance with the other 12 Grounder clans could fall apart and their chances of defeating the Mountain Men would be lost. I'll be surprised, however, if people aren't a little suspicious that they were the only two people to have escaped unharmed."

There's also the fact that both Raven and Bellamy knew about the attack. Raven, while better, I'm sure it still a little upset about Finn and Bellamy surely won't like the idea that Clark would allow his little sister to be bombed.

"This ongoing power struggle [Clark and Abby] is one of my favorite aspects of The 100 right now, and I hope that it continues until the show finds the time to actually deal with the leadership issues that plague the Sky People as a whole."

I'd love for there to be an actual power struggle like what we saw between Kane and Jaha in the start. But Abby is just so wishy washy, short sighted and insecure. Three traits you don't want in your leader. Clark, in every sense, is wiping the floor with her when it comes to who should be in charge.

And that doesn't even begin to touch on Abby absolute and complete hypocrisy. She had absolutely no problem sacrificing her own husband for the greater good. Now, she's incredulous at the notion that her daughter did the same thing.

If her confrontation was out of experience to try and pass that knowledge on to her daughter, "Their blood is on your hands" is perhaps the worst way to convey that life lesson.

This is why you suck, Abby! As a mother, as a leader...probably both.

"Side note: When did I start liking [Murphy]? Man, putting him next to Jaha has really brought yet another great dynamic to the series."

I dunno and it's quite remarkable. I don't know if I'd go so far as to say "like", but considering that I absolutely despised him before, that I don't mind him now is a testament to the writing on this show...and perhaps The CW as a whole because I had similar feelings about Damon and Klaus on The Vampire Diaries. "Wait..what? When did these villains become good guys???"
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Feb 13, 2015
"Sacrificing her husband" is not the same as killing that many people. Abby (the same as Kane, but Kane is moving a bit faster) is reacting slow because they grew up in a very strict society.

Clarke has been taking decisions in a flash and has been growing and adapting really fast. When you are young you are much more flexible in that sense especially if you have to learn quick to survive.

PLUS let's not forget Abby is a bloody doctor. When a doctor, nurse or any other medic does triage they weigh the options and decide where to amputate and who to treat, who to save. You just do NOT decide to let the whole camp die!
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Feb 15, 2015
She did not sacrifice her husband. Jake's video message would have gotten him floated. All Abby did was go to a friend that he hoped could stop him from going public and buy them all time to come up with a plan.
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Feb 13, 2015
Good points. Triage is not a big picture situation. It is immediate, tunnel vision, save as many as you can as quickly as you can. Clarke is their long term strategist, greatest good for most, large scale planner.
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Feb 13, 2015
The numbers are different, but the act and intent is exactly the same...sacrificing the few to save the many.
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Feb 12, 2015
I'd like to see the Murphester get run over by a tracked vehicle... I think it is because I just don't like the actor who plays the character he seems so boring.
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Feb 12, 2015
Rothenbeg said Bellamy won't disagree with Clarke's plan. Octavia is fine so I don't think he'll be pissed about that. He's the one who justified Finn's massacre, saying they're at war and they've all done things. Can see how he's justify that and not Clarke and Lexa's plan when it was only to keep him safe so everyone could be saved.
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Feb 12, 2015
I think, in Bellamy's mind, there might be a significant difference between sacrificing the pretty boy who's banging the girl you have a crush on and sacrificing your own sister. He's gonna be pissed! Even if in the back of his mind he understands and probably would have made the same call...pissed.
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Feb 12, 2015
What you see as hypocrisy, is what I see as Abby having learned from her mistakes. She doesn't want her daughter to be warped by this world and the choices its forcing her to make. I see her looking at her daughter and wanting to protect her. She's now seeing that Clarke not only doesn't want or need her protection (though I think Clarke still wants her mother to believe in her and support her), but that she's useless to stop Clarke from traveling down this path. I'm not a parent, but I do think that reaction was partly rooted in being a mother and wanting the best for your child.

As for her reaction to Clarke after the missile: Homegirl just barely survived being blown to bits. She's in shock and she's angry and she doesn't understand how her daughter let this happen. It's totally within reason.

I mean, Abby's not going to win any mother of the year awards, but I understand that reaction.
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Feb 13, 2015
Again, let's remember that Abby is a doctor. If she were not absolutely shocked I wouldn't like her to treat me :-P
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Feb 13, 2015
Yes, she's a doctor. And I'm sure a very good doctor. But being a good doctor doesn't immediately qualify one to be a good leader...or mother for that matter.
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Feb 15, 2015
No I think you have a "high bar" for motherhood which is different...
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Feb 13, 2015
We can start with not be responsible for killing your child's father then trying to cover it up. But hey, maybe I've got a high bar for parenthood.
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Feb 13, 2015
Oh dear! What has a mother got to do to be "on your list"? ROFL!
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Feb 12, 2015
I think that because Abby isn't winning any mother of the year awards is why I question her motivations now.

At her best was when she was butting heads with Kane and Jaha trying to make them believe the kids were still alive on the ground. Though, in addition to wanting to provide help to her daughter, I believe much of that was based on trying to save people on the Arc as well as proving the two men wrong. But mostly, I think she was fighting primarily for herself. To appease her own guilt over having been fundamentally responsible for why Clarke was in jail and thus sent to the ground. She'd already been responsible for killer her husband, she didn't want her daughter's "blood on her hands" too.

Abby's reaction to Clarke after the missile strike was pretty much in line with how it is all the time. Pissy, slightly condescending with a stench of insolence at the very notion that her teenage daughter is far better equipped a leader after a few months on the ground than she has ever been at any point in her life. She's been told twice by two different people that she's not in charge, Clarke is and still doesn't seem to get it.

As for her hypocrisy, she's already sacrificed her husband and on a few occasions has been just fine with the idea of sacrificing the 49 at Mt Weather. I don't draw much distinction between letting a missile hit and letting them be lab rats.
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Feb 13, 2015
I don't draw much distinction between letting a missile hit and letting them be lab rats.

No comments mate...
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Feb 13, 2015
No? So letting 40+ kids get used as human blood bags is okay because people might get hurt trying to rescue them but letting a similar number of adults die who are preparing for a war to save those same 40 plus all the captured grounders...that's TOTALLY different? Got it ;)
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Feb 12, 2015
Is it odd, I really can't wait for Jaha and Murphy to come upon a really old person who maybe can tell them something more substantive about the City of Light? I mean, its entirely possible that there is some horribly deformed hermit who is over 100 still exists.

I get what both Clarke and Abby were doing and saying, but, I'm guessing Kane (who apparently does get injured) can remind Abby about who the Sky People actually are...people who fled the planet at the expense of everyone else so they could protect the species. On a different scale, Clarke and Lexa decided to do the same thing (I actually was vaguely surprised at Lexa's decision to run, not to not evacuate, after all wasn't it like two weeks ago she was telling Clarke about their theory of reincarnation that her spirit would find a new body).

I'm glad Bellamy couldn't see what actually occurred, he might have been too gun shy to do that otherwise. I'm actually surprised he didn't keep the air ducts open to the floor they are on just to keep the Mountain Men at bay for a little while longer.
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Feb 12, 2015
You're not alone in finding the leadership issues of the grounders interesting Kaitling , and i wonder if Octavia's loyalties are completely with the grounders now , why is she so eager to become a grounder anyway? ,just because of Lincoln or does she has other motives?
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Feb 12, 2015
Sorry for the wrong spelling it should be Kaitlin of course!
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Feb 12, 2015
Hahaha, no worries. The reason my username is thekaitling is because it's so easy to just put a G to the end of my name out of habit that it happens all the time.

I think Octavia's actions stem from the fact that she never really had a home. She had to live her life in a single confined space and never experienced life on the Ark. She never really identified with her own people because of this, and so when she went to the ground, she found her place. I certainly think her relationship with Lincoln was the beginning of this and it grew from there, but Octavia likely still has a lot of issues with the people who locked her up just for having been born (and who also killed her mother simply because she had two children).
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Feb 13, 2015
Yes I would add that Octavia since she did not grow with the rest of the kids had very limited socialization. Her loyalties were only to her family.

Now they are only to her brother and to the clan she adopted. In the end she chooses another a clan because it is very similar to the very closed family she grew up with.
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Feb 12, 2015
Right!, i hadn't thought about that yet , thanks for the reply!
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Feb 12, 2015
What an epic episode!!

Great read, especially love your points about Clarke. She proved she has what it takes to make the tough calls, just like she did with Finn. She's and Lexa did make the smarter chocie to save all their people at Mount Weather. Bellamy is the key and they can't have his position comprised.

So many people read this episode wrong. I see people saying Clarke no longer feels and her humanity is gone. They missed how during all of it, Clarke kept fighting Lexa, trying to find a different ways so they can save everyone at Tondc. They missed her crying after her confrontattion with her mother. They missed her looking down at the damage and feeling sad. All of that means Clarke's humanity is still very intact. She just now has been trying to lead without letting her emotions rule her decisions. She wanted to save Finn, even though it put all of her people in danger, even though it would have meant no peace between them and the Grounder, which meant no help to save the 47. She didn't want Bellamy to be the inside man, even though it was necessary. She sees she can't always let her emotions rule her and has to look at thebigger picture.

Abby. Yes she's right that Clarke won't be able to wash this blood off her hands, but she's a huge ass hypocrite. Abby has been in Clarke's shoes making these same tough calls. She ratted out her husband and got him killed for the greater good. She sent 100 kids down, kknowing they could all die, for the greater good. She was part of culling 300 people for the greater good. So while Abby should be upset about all those people dying and worried about Clarke, she's a huge ass hypcrocrite and doesn't have the right to be disgusted at Clarke. This is why most of the fandom is always annoyed with Abby.
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May 09, 2015
You can't be serious. I am SO fed up of Abby haters. She didn't "rat out" her husband. She tried to save him. She went to Jaha, begged him to talk Jake out of it. At that point her husband hadn't done anything, he was just planning to do it and Abby hoped she could trust their friend to stop him from basically committing suicide.

Sending the kids down: she gave them a chance to live! One of the first lines in the show is about how the rules have changed and every single one of those kids were going to be killed at 18.

Culling the 300? Um no? She didn't want any part of that AT ALL. She tried to stop it!



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Feb 12, 2015
I feel Clarke is slowly losing her humanity she did argue with Lexa about it but it end she continued on with the mission and let all those people die
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Feb 12, 2015
She's darker now but she was always trying to find a way t save those at Tondc. Even after they left the village she told Lexa they could find the guy and redirect the missilie. There just wan't enough time bc 10 seconds later it hit.
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