The Following "Havenport" Review: 'Cause You Had a Bad Day

The Following S01E13: "Havenport"

Does this mean Nick Donovan is going to be the new Governor?

What an episode full of twists and turns. And by "twists and turns" I mean, "where a lot of blood was spilled." It feels like "Havenport" was dedicated to making sure the viewers (and maybe the actors) are fully aware that The Following is not afraid to kill or maim anyone who's not named Hardy or Carroll. I mean, you knew those Redshirts going on the adventure with Jacob were going to die (I don't even know why the writers bother giving those people names), but Roderick was an interesting, and somewhat disappointing, surprise.

I'm not sure I even liked Roderick until "Havenport," since he's been such a sniveling lieutenant the whole series. Not incorrect or anything (there's definitely a whiff of "sitting duck" in Carroll's patience), but still whiny. Giving him the episode to demonstrate that he was able to take care of himself for a little bit showed why he was put in charge, if not why he was Carroll's first apprentice.

That was the disappointing part about Roderick's end. This was a guy who was supposedly Carroll's first "student," so why basically spurn him with such a lack of theatricality? He didn't show himself to be any better than any of the other doomed minions of the house (they've all shown a blood lust either in practice or theory). The series of unfortunate circumstances arising from Carroll's holding pattern that put Roderick in the doghouse were basically very telling of how much Roderick was not so much into doing the business of mass orchestrated murder, so what was the point? He never had the chance to be the second-in-command you expected, the one that led Emma from the house, who puppeteered the charge on the farmhouse, the Roderick breathed on the relieved sighs of Carrollists in danger.

Possibly the most disappointing part about Roderick passing is the schism we thought was coming is basically squashed unless Jacob the Yellow decides to team up with Scorned Lover Emma to overthrow Joe to save themselves. There are no other identifiable faces left in the cult. Everyone else is dead. On the bright side, I guess the fewer people in the house, the more it opens up the kitchen for cheek-to-counter rendezvous.

Not that Emma will care about that sort of thing. I don't necessarily understand that exchange between Carroll and Emma in dealing with sex and why a simple, curt "keep it in your pants, you ginger giraffe" couldn't be enough to ward Emma's advances but he whips her with his limp hand anyway. I understand blaming others irrationally for your misfortunes but that was too silly.

But Carroll for the entire episode was like a silly sit-com character. Or maybe Ziggy. He's just having a bad day and constantly reminded everyone. "You need to calm down because I'm having a really bad day." "I'm having a bad day, Ryan." "I'm trying to get this out using the therapy of words." The effort to humanize the monster backfired a little here as he seemed to inherit all of Roderick's whining while the bad lieutenant shot up suburban Maryland. He was laughable.

But, to be fair, he really was having a bad day. When your kid gets nabbed, your oldest student betrays you, and your ex-wife stabs you in the gut because, with Joey safe, she doesn't feel like she has anything to lose, that's a rough 8-12 hours. Not to mention that your "book" has to be "rewritten" now that Claire has proven herself to be -- unaccomodating. And you wish you could get some action to blow off some steam but, oh wait, you whipped your concubine with your dead fish hand.

My point is that Carroll has very little momentum and he needs to do something to demonstrate that he's the monster he was at the beginning of this season. Remember when you disappointed that Maggie Grace wasn't going to be in this series because Joe hung her character from a lighthouse? What happened to that guy? He says he has a monomaniacal urge to kill but where has that been? He had Weston dead to rights but let him survive. He done nothing but cower in his lavish bunker and make threatening phone calls. Letting Ryan pick off your devoted one by one is fun and all, but something needs to happen. What happened to the "chapter" thing? Where are we with this grand plan? Hopefully being stabbed in the gut will take us into the end of the season with a little more umph. Because, right now, Carrollism is a pretty meh murder cult.

Except for the harpy Carroll sent to warn the FBI. No, not Claire. But that's a good guess. But the red shirt that posed as a possible informant (a kill I'm giving to Weston because I think he shot first) definitely reminded me of a bird-like harbinger in action if not by reputation. I like the kamikaze telegrams Carroll sends to Hardy every once in a while but I'm puzzled by how someone that inspires so much wariness that she has to be held at gunpoint is searched and not relieved of the sharp objects she's carrying. Yeah, it's been a bad day for Carroll but what about that gomer that gets stripped of his fancy hat and jacket and then ends up being the reason his boss probably loses an eye. If there is any sort of force looking out for us, Donovan'll be in an eyepatch by season's end.

Forget the Governor. Is this how S.H.I.E.L.D. started?

"Havenport" is a twisty episode for the series thus far but still feels like it's a table-setter in a season of table-setters. With only a couple episodes left, you get the feeling it's about to jump off, which only means there's some hijinks and hilarity in store for us in the next couple of weeks.


NOTES

– Did Joey suddenly adopt a Southern accent? Has he been hanging around Roderick? When he was talking about Jacob with his mom, his pronunciation of "favorite" had about twenty vowels in it.

– How did Weston recover so quickly from such serious injuries? Obviously, he psyched himself up for physical therapy with Chumbawumba on a loop. "Knock me down, I get up again."

– My initial reaction to no one knowing that Ryan was holding a press conference was, "How do you not know something like that?" I mean, I think Nick should've realized, as soon as he said "media blackout" and Ryan got his "I've got a completely opposite idea" face on, that he needed to shut it down. But then I had to remind myself that there's no way the FBI can keep track of Ryan Hardy. There are too many noses to pick and heads to shove in the sand.

– Hardy's really starting to catch up in the count, you guys. I think he and Carroll will be about level by season's end (I'm not counting the junkie from last week since I think we have plenty of fodder with just the kills in the past few months).

– Why did Roderick kidnap the girl again? Couldn't he have just boosted a car?

– What are the chances that Claire is actually going to die? I know we just discussed how Roderick was a pawn in the content-creator vs. audience game of stakes to make us think anyone can die, but how lucky could we possibly be? She made some strides this week by knifing Carroll. I'm just hoping that Joey staying safe will make her more interesting. There's, like, zero chance that he'll actually kill Claire before the last few moments of the season, right?


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How could they not have her in handcuffs as soon as she came to surrender! You can see what's coming from a mile away! Dumb things happened again like always, but it was entertaining this time.

I swear the casting directors are casting similar women. That jumping girl looked like a younger Annie Parisse!
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Also, why wouldn't they press the issue of Carroll's house of dumbos with Roderick! Was the most glaring of all the mistakes they did!
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Dear Nick, The superlative form of stupid is most stupid, as in 'I made the most stupid mistake,' not stupidest. Stupidest can be heard and seen everywhere, but it's wrong. Stupidest is not acceptable English but you probably don't really care, as your sarcasm laden attempt at journalism reveals that:
a) You chronically use poor sentence structure,
b) You do not use spell check which would help with the previously mentioned problem and
3) You find the show less than an intelligent offering to the viewing public - namely YOU!
So you know what you need to do, don't you? Roll over on the sofa cushion, grab that remote covered with mayo or pizza sauce or some other sticky substances, and CHANGE THE CHANNEL! Then hurry to the nearest school book store, or in your case Amazon.com, and purchase the most current copy of Standard English if you intend to continue as a believable blogger, here or anywhere. In my class you'd barely get a C for this effort.
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each week everyone dies, there's no shock value to these horrific acts or main characters dying, because that is the show. i'm waiting for the big twist, the trick, the turn i didn't see coming to explain everything. i don't think that big reveal is coming. if half the season had been a bit more "martha marcy may marlene" or any "manson" movie, where it shows you the brainwashing, the power of his the charismatic leaders control over these people, it would be so much creepier, or chilling. instead it's just slaughter house high every episode.
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Wait so we weren't supposed to laugh at Carroll and his bad day? Because I was laughing so hard I nearly choked on my beverage. "I'm having a really bad day". Still laughing. Poor Carroll. He reminded me of the book I used to read to my younger brother. Alexander and the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. (He thought he'd move to Australia ;) ) LOL!
-Emma is like the worst, like on my list of people I'd have rather seen die before Roderick it would have been Emma and Claire...together. At the hands of one another. Whatever. Those two. I've been rolling my eyes at the stereotypical aspect of them playing up the hypersexuality of her particularly brand of cray-cray because she's a woman. Once again she's trying to have sexytimes when his kid has gone missing. I don't know who was worse in that, her for being so callous (but she is out of her mind) or Joe for being pissed about it. Dude, you have house full of psychos and sociopaths and then you expect them to do logical and rational things based on emotions and a sense of decency that most of them don't actually possess. What gives?! It's a say day when my being an advocate for stopping violence against women didn't even blink an eye at him backhanding her. This show will ruin society yet Yet I still watch. Ugh.
-The best thing about this episode was the greatness that was Warren "Hollywood" Kole as Roderick. I had my usual indifference towards him initially and over the episodes it grew to mild interest, and then naturally in his final episode he was heart of the show's entertainment and yet ended up dead by the end of it. Why? His death was pointless. They really could have used, dare I say, needed his character to be around until the season's end. He was one of the best ones they had. There was more story to be told. There was a great opportunity for a revolt against Joe by some of his own peeps, lead by his second in command. So much story. So much opportunity. All wasted. Given the ridiculousness of this show, I reserve the right to hold on to the slight chance that he may not really be dead.
-Claire is so pitiful it isn't even funny. No really, it isn't even funny on a show that I find utterly hilarious, she's just irritating to watch. When the camera lands on her face I sigh. I still feel like she's been handling this being held captive thing all wrong. All wrong. If she had two braincells to rub together and been half the character that she should have been, she could have unleashed a hellfire of epic proportions and rocked the hell out of that house. I think that is what frustrates me about her character. I can envision what this show could have been like if she was a fiercer character. It could of been amazing. There is something always intriguing and compelling about the art in which females can manipulate. I'm not talking about using sex or their looks either. Claire lacks all of that.Instead we have a woman who is almost as impulsive as her ex,stabbing him once in the gut and merely inconveniencing him. I just can't find myself to root for, care about, or anything else when it comes to Claire.
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"Emma is *LIKE* the worst..." Emma is ‘LIKE’ the worst what? "...LIKE on my list of people..." What?!?! Perhaps a reread of the basics of the English language or a good grammar book would help you here. The overuse of the work *LIKE* by adolescent minded individuals who can’t think fast enough and need to search for words while they're speaking or writing is like (correctly used here) the sound of screeching chalk on a chalk board by those of us who actually try to speak intelligently. The author of this train wreck of a 'review' needs help as well, so when you find the book on the use of Standard English, please pass it on to him.
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Clearly, my friend, Carroll wasn't the only individual having a "very bad day". It's quite alright dear. We've all had them. :) Contrary to, well, YOUR belief, I'm no stranger to Standard English. In fact, the odds that my English and writing when done on a more professional level are relatively decent, are, well, dare I say astronomical? I don't profess to be a Lady of lexicon. I'm human, I very well make mistakes. You give me a casual enough setting where I can indulge in my inner teenybopper and use the vernacular as I see fit, and I'll jump on it. I'll jump in with both feet. Why the hell not? I'm not a grammar snob. I could be, and while I've been known to correct grammar on occasion when I deem it necessary, I choose to do it in a kinder way. I'm not pretentious or pompous. I don't feel the need to be. I'm secure enough in my knowledge of the English language. ALL of the English language. I can engage in an intellectual debate with the best of them. I can edit case briefs with my eyes closed. I can hold entire conversations in Spanglish with some of the lovely individuals I've been fortunate enough to meet. Yes, I can also converse with the teenagers, although to be fair, if you're really trying to make a point about the adolescents of today, the use of "LIKE" was LIKE fifteen years ago. ;) I'm a linguistic chameleon. If you ever take the time to notice, you'll discover that most people are. You never even considered that in this posting, and many of my others, that maybe, just maybe, my exaggerated grammar that you find so cringeworthy was intentional? It was.You never stopped to consider that I very well could have just been having a good time? I was. I'm under the impression that the sardonic tone of some of these reviews and the intentionally informal bordering on satirical responses to these reviews are lost on you. That's okay. Not everyone understands it. If you found this particular posting so offensive, however, you probably may not want to read...anything. Not anything here.

Language, whether you approve of it or not, is forever changing and evolving. So while, yes, the adolescent riddled drivel that may irritate the stick out of your ass is probably every bit as grating as nails on a chalkboard, well, there is nothing you can really do about that now can you? It's the way of the world. I mean, wouldn't it be positively lovely if we spoke with a modicum of finesse? Or perhaps if we all wrote and spoke with the delicacy and charm of William Shakespeare? Did you by chance know that Shakespeare was innovative with his use of slang? As in, he did not abide by the standard use of his language at that time. It drove the masses nuts. I always found that ridiculously amusing given the high regard we have for Shakespearean. Hmmm. Surely this wasn't your intention, because you were totally being a complete and utter ass about it, but I actually found your rude, condescending, and supremely snobbish post entertaining. So for that, I thank you. I hope you have a beautiful day. I sincerely do. Happy Cinco de Mayo! ( Apologies for bring a wee bit of Spanish in here...yikes!) Have a margarita on me. ;)
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Didn't weston say he searched the girl for weapons? I'm still iffy about Weston, I mean last week Carroll didn't even kill him....
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What The Following has taught me thus far:

- When mild mannered Jacob Wells pops his collar, watch out he becomes a ruthless killer! The minute it goes down again though, not so much.

- Kevin Bacon would have made this show more believable (and watchable) if he had been given the part of the cult leader.

- Roderick and Charlie should have lived!!! LIVE!!! Come back and live again!!

- Claire actually surprised me when she stabbed her ex-hubby, well done. I didn't see that coming.

- I hate Emma more than ever! Please someone, anyone, kill her, I have now begun to sympathise with her murdered mother.

- Carroll, who would follow this assmuch? He's neither charismatic nor creepy, he's verging on camp! I dislike him more for his complete narcissism then the innocent women he slaughtered.

- Next week's episode looks BEYOND ridiculous, just an excuse for a blood bath as all the followers come out of the woodwork (guns & hatchet saws at the ready), and go all Branch Davidian on us. As the small town becomes a backdrop to their battle with the FBI.

- I'm waiting for the Grand Finale to have a big reveal that it was all a dream, or that Hardy got has been in a coma and none of this has happened. Or he's reading this, as we are watching it, via Carrol's book ala The Never Ending Story. It hasn't happened yet, but it will and now he knows 'what' is about to happen because he has found Carroll's Murder 101 novel.

Otherwise I have no idea how they can drag out another season of this, I'm amazed I've checked into this show as much as I have. Let's be honest, if not for Kevin Bacon I wouldn't have watched the 5 episodes I managed.
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I get why Roderick kidnapped the girl. The police were on the lookout for a single male NOT a couple so he thought it would improve his chances for escape. What I don't understand is why he went anywhere near the FBI agents in the first place. He KNEW that Weston was still alive. Even though Weston was supposed to be recuperating in hospital wouldn't the first thing that the FBI do is get a description of the attackers from Weston? It's one thing to be cocky and take risks but that was insane. How could the man that masterminded Emma & Jacob's escape from a house surrounded by FBI agents be so dumb?
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I don't think Claire is going to die. I don't think Carroll is getting a chance to do that. I think he is getting interrupted when the FBI arrives at the house with lots of noisy cars and helicopters. I think Carroll will manage to escape the FBI together with Emma and maybe one or two others. Claire will be reunited with her son again and then we will probably get a few episodes where Carroll is trying to find and kill her or have her killed.
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Two things one: Weston saying it could not have been our guys cause I haven't called for back up. Probably should have made the call already? Two: and this goes with not searching the stabby girl, but everyone turns their backs on her as they take her back into the building. From holding guns on her to "hey just follow us back" Crazy!!
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I thought this was one of better episodes. No Poe talk,no stoney smile from Carroll. And again,ok it failed,but it did surprise me,that writers were willing to make Claire smart. I thought to myself,if he causes her so much trouble,why not attempt to kill him and then she did it. It came across as stupid,because she didn't aim for heart. Shame for Roderick,but once he was made,there is no way he could still be around for long run.
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I love when Emma asked Carroll what was wrong with him. Are you kidding the guys a sadistic serial killer and you are shocked he back handed you for being irritating as f*ck. I'm surprised he didn't come right out and end her. I suppose that is what happens when you actually meet your idols, disappointment.
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I'm starting to get a little annoyed with this show. I don't know if it's pulling a Revenge, where they find out they are getting a 2nd season so the half ass the rest of the first. Maybe in an attempt to create more drama to make what would have been a fantastic mini-series a mediocre multi season show. But they just keep killing the best characters. This show started so strong and I loved how fast paced it was. However, I was devastated when they killed Charlie, but I got over it. Now that they killed Roderick though I'm really disappointed, he was such an interesting character with so much potential. Honestly sometimes I felt he was the better villain, just because I liked his smart ass attitude over Joe's alleged "charm" that I find creepy. I think I'm especially annoyed because the whole Roderick / Joe dynamic could have gotten interesting. All in all I'd like to see a little more action from this cult, particularly Joe so we remember why we are supposed to be afraid of them.
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At this point, while I still enjoy this series, I think I'm mostly annoyed by the character of Weston. I'm not quite sure what his job is... and overall, he seems to be more of a Mary Sue character.
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The best part about this show is this "Comments" board. I enjoy reading how some people defend the nonsense this show is when it truly can't be defended.

Back when the trailers were out for this show I was one of those Kevin Bacon fans really looking forward to this, and I was even excited for it to air. Even though this premise felt familiar in some movie I've watched before, I went with it early on.

Then it started getting dumber and dumber with each episode thereafter. The so-called "Twists" were so predictable, and the show really relies on its viewers to actively suspend disbelief to a laughable point. It is one thing when you have to pay attention to appreciate a brilliant show, and quite another when you have to pretend you are an idiot to allow a show to insult your intelligence over and over again. In fact, you can actually feel your IQ lowering with each episode you allow yourself to watch.

Even though I abandoned this show at episode 6, I've found this board so much more entertaining, that I'm very glad this dumb show was renewed for another season because I can look forward to another go round with this board.

Seriously, this board is just freaking awesome. When a board has a "What's the stupidest thing that happened" part to it as a regular feature for each episode, you know you are in for some laughs. I hate to admit this, but without this show I wouldn't be able to enjoy this.
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Clare's stabbing was sloppy, but I'm guess the show wanted to increase interesting, but not kill off a main character. The girl turning herself in for the plea deal was better.
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The writers of this show seem to go to great lengths to deprive themselves of obvious opportunities for greatness. Why on earth they didn't allow Roderick to escape and become the joker in the pack against both Carroll and the FBI is beyond me. I could totally see him forming a new branch of the cult. What a triangle that would have been.
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Dear Annie Parisse, please hurry back to Person Of Interest!
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No please don't come back. I can't take her serious now in POI and as this "big bad wolf":D
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Seriously! POI gave her a lot more layers of character with which to work, much greater range. She was spooky, abusive, badass and so very dark as well as charismatic. Her FBI character, along with most of The Following's characters, really lacks dimension.
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Now this episode seem to perk things up a little bit!! I will grade this one a B+!! I would have given it an "A-" if Roderick hadn't been killed, I thought he would be the X factor running around. That would have been intriguing. Yes the Hardy boys made the usual mistakes. The girl at the end should have been handcuffed as soon she hit told them she wanted to speak to Hardy. I has to scream at my TV for that one! But in The Following you just shrug your shoulders and say "oh well"! Last week I said I wanted the last 3 episodes to pull out the big guns I feel I got that. The trailer for next week looked promising. Keep Hope or Hardy ALIVE!!
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God I know they kill me, especially their habit of separating during little invasions, I mean has that ever worked out for Ryan.
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I love this show but sometimes they just do really stupid things that they think the viewers dont catck, like weston recovering so fast, an agent standing right in front of a wooden door with followers with assault guns blasting on the other side. Sometimes the agents just look like boobs!!!! Drive up to a secret meetimg with all your headlights on???
Seriously, the director cant fix stuff like this??
Till he does, this will never be a PERSON OF INTEREST!
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i wondered about kidnapping the girl too, but then i realized that he had a better chance, though slim, of getting thru the roadblock as a passenger than as a driver. still didn't work...

this show makes me feel guilty for rooting for the bad guy. daunting...
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Roderick was dead the moment we met him. Alpha male like that trying to tell the great leader what to do never works out well. Every episode I was like kill him! Kill him now! But no one listened. Now they did!

There was a lot of stabbing in this episode. Claire should have gone for the neck when they were kissing like that. He wasn't paying attention and it would have worked. How the heck is Joe standing for next week? He should be dying of blood loss or go into septic shock. But this is The Following where logic can take a back seat.

Never turn your back on a crazy chick or a chick you think was once crazy, because she's still crazy. Of course she got her stab on. Sloppy work.

Ryan's plan was lame. Let's go with some creepy guy who can at any time just shoot me in the back of the head. No one would be able to react in time, but whatevers right? And why do the cops always show up right after the action is over? Seriously, for once I'd like to see them be there on time to be useful.
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I'm so angry at the show. How could they kill Roderick, he was the only highlight of this show ! And in such a despicable way. My, my they need to make Emma and Claire die fast now to redeem themselves.
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Jesus God. 1 more kidnap. 1 more near-miss escape, and I'm done. I won't even hate-watch this anymore. All I could think while I was watching Havenport was, "I've seen this before. I've seen this before. I've seen this before. I've seen this before. I've seen this before." Oh my God. The set pieces have been repeating themselves since the get-go. I no longer care, not that I ever did, if someone goes missing or gets kidnapped, 'cause not a damn thing happens as a result.

And it's been said before, Claire's maneuver was just another example of pitiful writing. In point of fact, all of Claire's motivations, actions, and executions have been among the worst in the annuls of television history. The Following reeeeeaaally sucks. It's Revolution-sucky. But at least I can still hate-watch Revolution.
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Is the second season going to have Caroll in it or is it going to pull an American Horror story and have a different super murder spree every season.

After havenport, this is looking like the end for Carroll and it should be. Unless there's going to be some twist in the last two episodes, which would be equivalent to going nuclear (Note that the last episode is called The FInal Chapter), the end is very near. Carroll's kid and wife are more or less gone, the band of maniacs is dwindling to nobodies and they FBI are in the town where the followers are hiding out.

The only going nuclear possibility is that bullet proof helicopter coming back and taking everyone/the significant few to another secret base. This would be more of the same, which is why I'm hoping Carroll's story ends and a new story begins next season.
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Same Carroll sorta bores me. I suppose I kinda feel like one of his followers (not in a homicidal, crazy person way) but in the sense that I had such high expectations of his degree of awesome as a bad guy and I'm sorta being let down.
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Joe Carroll better pull off a big bad show stopper so fantastic that even Jack Bauer would exclaim "Damn, this is actually pretty f**king impressive, I'll have to call in Chuck Norris.."

Backup sure takes too damn long to arrive lately, like did they get lost?

Weston going trigger happy at the end must've made Ryan proud, he should've hugged him and declared to the rest of the FBI "Eff you guys, I don't need you, I have Weston, I will teach him the ways of effortless trigger pulling!"

Guess the extras that they pass off as cult members have -some- use, though that "telegram" was kinda... was Joe that mad that he couldn't call up Ryan and have a heart to heart? Still think he just needs a hug.

Claire, like every other horror film red shirt, if you stab something, don't effin' stop! Seriously, ask all the mutilated sheep in horror films how that turns out. She should've stabbed him in the back, or sliced him, or something, then ran, ran like a damn deer. There's nothing to keep her there, Joey's safe (for now), you don't need to be there anymore. Congrats, you're now going to no doubt be locked in your room like a prisoner until you learn that stabbing Joe is bad, and being a cult puppet is good.

Oh well, at least Roderick's no longer capable of back-talking, poor useless dumb bugger...
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How long do we think it will take for Joey to get kidnapped again. My bet, Ryan will give him to that Molly chick to babysit and that's how he will find out she is an evil Carroll groupie.
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I was thinking, where the hell is that backup? Weston said "they're waiting for my call" then didn't call till the house had already been infiltrated! Doh! *facepalm*
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Jack Bauer would not need Chuck Norris' help...he could call him to show him "how it is done"
lol

Claire needs to watch some horror movies---you have to "overkill" the monsters/bad guys or they pop back up to kill you (or for a sequel)
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You know, I am really surprised that this got renewed for another season. This show is way stupider than Alcatraz was.

But it was another day in the life of the stupids. Carroll is frustrated, he isn't writing well, he is surrounded by psychopaths, which sure, it sounds good on paper. Hey a bunch of people like me. What could go wrong. Well evidently a lot. Just because they share your affinity of killing folk for whatever reason they do. Doesn't mean their bright. And they aren't, not even by a long shot. The only reason they have gotten as far as they have, is that the FBI and Law Enforcement in this universe they happen to be in are one step above a drooling mass of blank stares and smiles at floaty balloons. Every head guy they throw in there seems to be dumber. Which makes me wonder what the Director is like. He very well might be in his office finger painting with his own feces.

Yes another episode, one more step in trying to make Hardy into a light version of Jack Bauer. And Weston a version of Tony. Which would have worked, if they hadn't handicapped Hardy to begin with and hadn't made Weston a pin cushion.

I could say more, I could say so very much more. Like how we are supposed to accept that the most inept person aside from Claire, who is Jacob is somehow the go to badass. BUt it is at this point just ridiculous.
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Come on, Claire -- if you really have just one chance to stab the guy at least go directly for the heart and not the stomach…! Jeez, Parker seems to have brushed off on her…

Anyway, now that we're getting closer to the season finally I'm really wondering how they are going to take this into another season…?! Any ideas…?
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Dumbest thimg in this episode: Roderick standing next to his mug on a composite drawing, and NONE of the bloody FBI agents noticed it was the same guy.
I did like how they didnt drag out the whole Weston recognising him thing so that was good.
It did annoy me how they killed off Roderick, I was hoping for a showdown between him and Carroll, maybe even him taking over the cult after disposing of Joe. Implementing "the plan" for Season 2. Would have been interesting, seeing as Joe Carroll is annoying as all hell. Those stupid pauses in his sentences, his "writing therapy", banging away on the keyboard like it had personally insulted him, Christ its cringey.
why the hell did Jacob go back to the house after not getting Joey??? Was that not the dumbest thing ever?
Can we slap Emma in every episode now?
Also, Emma: "What the hell is wrong with you?"
Gee, I dunno, the man is a psycho killer and you're surprised he has mood swings?! Not the brightest crayon in the box are we, Emma. Dumbass!
I could go on and on, this was one of the funniest episodes so far. I counted five facepalms and three laugh out loud moments. More than I laughed at HIMYM this week.
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Roderick did everything he did because, as he said, "I'm impulsive" and he's a psychopath with no conscience, but Carroll will show the monster he is soon; the one who killed 14 coeds and gained a following of psychotics and psychopaths... If a genius psychopath had 8 years to plot his revenge against the guy that banged your wife and put you in prison, then shit's gunna go down... Remember Law Abiding Citizen?? There are people like that in the world who can orchestrate very elaborate machinations that take time and planning and the right moment... some of the show is contrived and forced, but I find the dialogue very enjoyable to watch as far as entertainment goes... Hannibal Lector (Anthony Hopkins) still takes the cake for best fictional psychopath EVER though...
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It's Hannibal LECTER, actually.
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I agree with the dialogue, my favourite parts are the weird conversations Ryan and Joe have but I want more.
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The stupidest thing on the episode: At the very beginning, Mike trying to gun down Rodderick by himself when he identified him. Why not just let the others know, he just had to turn the corner or shout for help!!
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same thing I was yelling at my tv and he was in the next room from hardy.
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Wasn't he trying to call or something?
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STILL ROOTING FOR JOE CARROLL

JOE-
Made Jacob his no.2 guy(Job creator)
Rebuffing Emma's advances (puts his family first)
Survived being stabbed by some psycho b*tch (toughness)
Willing to adapt his book to changing circumstances (creativity)


RYAN-
Roderick was standing by a board WITH HIS SKETCH ON IT!! Jesus, Ryan wake the f*ck up or quit.(incompetence)
A press conference? WHAT PART OF MEDIA BLACKOUT WAS UNCLEAR?(Insubordination)
Manhandled Roderick (police brutality)
Let Roderick get killed (poor on security)
Killed another person (murderer)
Let Jacob escape (incompetence AGAIN)
Let another agent get injured so Ryan could take over the investigation (lack of morality)


JOE CARROLL - Job creator, family man, a tough but creative man who is not worried about reorganizing his group in the face of adversity. Joe Carroll for president!

RYAN HARDY -How in the blue f*ck are you still employed in any capacity of law enforcement and not in jail. I am pretty sure Ryan is close to 30 kills so far, so how he is not in jail disgusts me.
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Ryan is hotter then Joe and we all know looks matter in who to root for--j/k~~lol
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THAT IS NOT FUNNY.
Statements like that could do serious harm to Joe Carroll political aspirations - and with the world in a financial crisis we need all the job creators possible.

Plus Ryan is only doing well with the crazy ladies - the nurse Joe has set him up with and Joe's crazy b*tch ex wife.(she crazy, seriously...sane people do not stab their ex spouses for no good reason)
It could also be argued that the mental abuse that Clare suffered in her relationship with Ryan drove her insane - she never stabbed anyone while she was married to Joe.

BTW - **BREAKING NEWS**Joe Carroll announces Ron Swanson as his new running mate and vice presidential candidate following the sudden death of Roderick.
Swanson is currently unavailable for interviews following a minor medical procedure, however it is felt that his long association and leadership role in Pawnee local government can only add much needed administrative assistance to Joe Carroll in his bid to become the next president of the United States.
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couldn't respond to the comment below...had lots to say but your Ron Swanson quotes made everything else irrelevant. You really sound exactly like him...umm, I mean your Swanson quotes are spot on for him. Forget Carroll, Forget Hardy...vote Swanson!
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Now I don't know how to vote! Ryan has the sex appeal--we need a hot leader so people won't turn off the tv (plus he'd get the young vote, the disabled vote, the illiterate--non-Poe readers, and all the woman and gays) BUT Ron Swanson is simply awesome. I guess it depends on Ryan's running mate--that may be his down fall unless it's a sexy woman (to get the male vote).

I would watch a show with Ron Swanson as VP who becomes President after the President elect (Carroll) offs himself due to crappy reviews of his book and it's abysmal sale (again! the second book with horrible reviews/sales would push him over the edge).

Ron would be better matched up with Ryan who is a manly man--doesn't hesitate to shoot and is a hard drinking man...expect Ron, despite being a government employee, wouldn't like a government agent.

Interesting!
Watch out or grumpy will become funny and we all know how clowns freak everyone out (probably a top phobia after heights, crowds, and cockroaches--lol)
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Ryan will have sex appeal - to his cell mate, when he gets put away for all these murders he is committing, along with the mental abuse he inflicted on Clare to drive her insane, his insubordination and charges of police brutality.
When he goes to prison he will get a choice of a new nickname, either "The Punk" or "Lil Lady"

Ron Swanson does appreciate how bad Ryan"Lil lady" Hardy is at his job - however he could not accept the level of incompetence that Hardy brings to every aspect of his life, and so feels that the country/world would better served if Hardy was in prison or sent to France.

Ron is wary of someone who cannot hold their liquor, especially the sissy, store bought brands when Hardy goes on one of his binges, in an interview Swanson was reported as saying “Clear alcohols are for rich women on diets.”

And most notable of all Ron Swanson does not trust someone whose own heart is too weak to work on its own, in the same interview he said “It’s always a good idea to demonstrate to your coworkers that you are capable of withstanding a tremendous amount of pain.”

A spokesperson for the Carroll/Swanson ticket when asked about any links between Hardy and Swanson because Ryan " has the sex appeal" commented -
"Sure, Hardy has sex appeal - to certain incarcerated demographics!! But Joe Carrol has Presidential appeal, and when considering someone for a governing role, Presidential appeal beats prison sex appeal.
Vote Joe Carroll"
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Definitely rooting for Joe... He's gunna show his true dark nature when the timing is right... whatever he's put into motion will come back around and we'll see the true intent of Carroll's plans.
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Roddy kidnapped the girl as camouflage - they were looking for just him, not a couple. BTW the Maryland State Police actually wear that silly uniform suit. I hoped Joe would slap Pixie again, I am so pissed at the way she uses everyone and gets away with it - reminds me of a few of my old girlfriends - I don't think she will make it to next season; except maybe as a hospital patient or prison inmate.
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I was rooting for Claire when she tried to kill Emma!
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For the first time i was relieved watching the show (or should I say listening while cooking)... It felt to me the writers were beginning to wrap this off to get the circus out of town.

I don't know if it will get renewed, but i sure hope not.

The Following SUCKS every episode a little more.
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It was renewed quite a while back, more's the pity. Fortunately, that won't affect me as I gave up on this long ago and read these reviews only to reinforce the belief that I made the right call. Well, that and to have a few laughs. ;-)
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If you don't like it so much then why do you watch it? It was renewed anyway.
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Because I like having some background noise while I cook/clean/exercise/play a video game and since I don't want to waste a good show... I put a bad one on.
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Then don't complain to people who like it.
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First of all... Seriously, dude? You enjoy this crap?

And... you probably didn't heard of free speech.. It's a rather nice concept, you should look it up.
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What's there to hope? If you don't like it, don't watch it. Oh, and it was renewed a few weeks ago.
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What I love about this fun romp is just how stupid it is - in hostage negotiations what is the first thing you are suppose to demand? The FBI went through their "genius" plan without once demanding PROOF OF LIFE. All that did was clear the decks for this escapade of FBI stupidity this week.

I realize it may be because of the catalog model playing Joey - every time he speaks its like "Why is this catalog talking?" Killing him off would have made this show so much more fun.

James Purefoy devolved Carroll into complete camp this week and it was awesome. His performance this week was camptastic.
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The smartest moment of the series was followed immediately by perhaps the dumbest moment in TV history. Remember the last scene where one of Carrol's followers is there to accept the deal? One of the FBI agents has his gun pointed in her face and she pleads saying that's not necessary. The FBI agent says "yea, I searched her, she's clean" but Nick WISELY says, " all the same keep pointing that gun at her" THEN the Idiot, NICK turns his back on her only to get stabbed in the eye. My goodness, my goodness.
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In fairness, though, pretty much all the stupid stuff was on the bad guys' part, not the FBI. Mike didn't spend 20-60 minutes trying to recognize Roderick, Ryan & Co. set a pretty decent trap for Roderick, the FBI were johnny-on-the-spot within a few minutes of Roderick shooting the two state troopers. Yeah, it took forever for the backup team to get to the house, and Jacob escaped, but overall the FBI seemed pretty competent.
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And Parker actually even got to arrest someone, well kind of -- a kidnapped waitress, but it still counts, right…?!
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Love the S.H.I.E.L.D line. I almost walked away from this episode at the beginning, when Weston tried to stop Roderick, instead of going back to the other agents.
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"There are no other identifiable faces left in the cult."

There's Aaron, the "Hey, I don't mind if Roderick shoves my face in a computer cabinet" IT guy.
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Emma and Jacob as well
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"Turn off the TV, Aaron." I forgot about that guy. He's going to be the only one left after all this is over, standing over Carroll's carcass and taking the quickening. Wait. I might be thinking of another show.
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