The Following "The Curse" Review: A Long Conversation

The Following S01E12: "The Curse"


You'll notice that this week's "stupid moments" poll is a little thinner than usual. It's not because the characters are behaving with any sort of clarity or because the plot is finally starting to clear up after 12 episodes. It's mostly because of the sexless exposition that weighed this episode down.

Carroll's been talking about how he and Hardy are "writing" the novel of this adventure together for about as long as the series has been going on. It's the premise, you might say, and the motivating force behind everything Carroll is doing. Now, when I heard Carroll mention this in the pilot, I thought their "writing" of it was in a broader sense. I thought all of the activities that Carroll's group had planned, the media coverage of the spectacle that is the cult, and Hardy's own clippings of his sparse victories, were part of this wide-scale street art. It turns out there is supposed to be an actual novel.

Carroll literally sits down at his Apple-branded laptop and pounds out some prose. And he's struggling. Oh, to watch him struggle! The montage dedicated to how he has trouble working out the motivations of Ryan Hardy was so hyperbolically painful, both for the character and for us to watch. I know it must be hard to act out "my writing isn't going so well," but what a pain to sit through watching the show treat it like he broke a leg or stubbed his toe. Writing is so hard, you guys! So painful! Frustrating! Oh, the humanity! I don't mean to say that writing isn't painful (it most certainly can be), but maybe he should just take that laptop down to Starbucks like every other hack and agonize over a skinny latte.

What's interesting about Carroll's woes is that he's basically suffering over the same question that we as an audience might be asking ourselves. What's Ryan's stake in this? What motivates him to continue? Is it Claire? Is it to not let Carroll win? Is it that basic cliche of justice?


It's all of those things, or at least that's what we as viewers tell ourselves. Ryan's detachment from humanity lasted for about half an episode. He obviously cares about innocent lives (more than his own) and he cares very deeply (I guess?) for Claire. He doesn't want Carroll to complete his campaign of death in his honor. And then there was the death of his father, which seems to have instilled in him a sense of justice. He appears to have a great many motivations for him.

But we're getting conflicting information. Carroll's problem is that he's not able to lock onto any of these myriad motivations for Ryan in the context of his book, despite the fact that he's supposed to be creepily invested in the guy. I mean, if you're going to make this real, live person your protagonist and you've had this idea brewing for nine years, wouldn't you dig a little deeper? Do you need to take a cripple hostage and demand that he tell you thing you're already supposed to know?

All right, so Weston isn't a cripple. He's just bandaged up like Ed Norton from Fight Club (which I think is the better reference than Brad Pitt) and a little punchy. But already this season, he's been captured twice and shot point blank once. He's having a rough couple of months. Glad to see him around again though, possibly moling.

But I digress.


Carroll took Weston hostage while Jacob was upstairs with Bottom-of-the-Class Agent Parker. Parker who, on the suggestion from the cretin she had chained to a radiator, was about to walk outside and leave him alone. You could say that he was chained to a radiator so where was he going to go, but I say there's something wrong with an agent who's willing to wander away from a clearly dangerous and resourceful criminal. At least stay in the room!

Of course, she didn't get the chance because Jacob was waiting to knock her in the face after offing her friendly prisoner. There's only one thing that I like about Parker, and that's how she's so good at staying calm and trying to get under the skin of the cult members. It should be the job of a side character or an interrogator, not the gal in charge of the entire operation, but it's the only time I ever enjoy Parker, since otherwise she's the worst agent on record. Just demote her to whatever level a federal psychic would be and everything would be fine. Better yet, let's just drop her and bring on The Closer-style Kyra Sedgwick from for all the cult members Hardy doesn't kill. I hear Bacon's got the connection.

So Parker was being held by Jacob, Vince was +1 to Hardy's series-long body count, and Carroll had Weston hostage in order to workshop his protagonist. For an entire act of the episode. I mentioned sexless exposition before because at least Game of Thrones has the common courtesy to throw in naked-to-the-waist nudity (or full-on orgasm scenes) with this much blatant backstory. Hardy might as well have sat in a rocking chair and told us the story of how his father died. We thought it was the heavy use of flashback that's been choking this series, but sometimes it's just the lack of creativity in coloring characters.

And it lasted forever. How long did we sit there and wait while Carroll and Hardy kicked the old peanut around, with a couple bits of Weston torture acting like pinches to keep us awake? The one thing their chat did do for us was set up the flashback to actually killing the junkie. Without Hardy spinning that yarn about his dad's death, we wouldn't have seen what a younger Hardy was supposed to look like, and then we wouldn't have been able to see Hardy's mind's eye recalling that forced overdose. It seems like such a high price for us to pay to learn that Quick Draw McGraw has a revenge streak in him.


Then Carroll tried to make a vague connection between the two of them that death is their fuel and it was so terrible you could actually see why Carroll's considered to be a hack writer. Maybe he's crazy, or maybe he's just trying to draw conclusions that get into Ryan's head, but that whole "we're the same" speech sounded like it was lifted from a better serial killer drama but they forgot the context and had to make some up.

After all that, we saw that Roderick was there, ready to thwart the FBI's investigation because they were so close. And that, after what felt like an eternity in that basement, is what reminded me that this series is moving at such a fast clip. We closing in on the end of the season and the FBI is basically in Carroll's backyard. IF any credit can be given to this show, it's that the run has been efficient so far. Light on watchable content, but definitely efficient.



NOTES

– Is Jacob's hair getting taller? I feel like with every episode we see, his hair is getting taller. Carroll may be his guiding light for murder, but I feel like his style icons are Marge Simpson, Eraserhead, and 3rd Bass-era MC Serch.

– Did Claire really think that she was going to be able to leave the compound just by being the early bird? These people are part of a Poe-inspired cult. They don't sleep! Being obsessed with Poe is like being a vampire, right?

– The best thing Claire has done so far is in this series is try to choke the poser out of Emma. "I will kill you." The only way to demand respect from a predator is to insist that you are not prey. These girls shouldn't be fighting anyway. Don't they realize they're igloo sisters?

– I just realized that one of the major premises of this show is that Carroll is mad that he and Hardy are Eskimo brothers.

– I'd just like to see an extension of that last Emma/Carroll scene where a cult member comes down to make a peanut butter sandwich and rolls her eyes at them. "We have to eat off that, you know!"

– Every time Emma says something like, "Why do you have to be such a jerk?" there should be some sort of audience response that's like, "You're in a house full of murderous psychopaths! Duh-doy!"

– Maybe the cult members should invest less in their seemingly bottomless supply of wine and stock up on, I don't know, bullet-proof vests.

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Jun 22, 2013
The review was hilarious. Taller hair, igloo sisters (wtf is that), eskimo brothers! LOL!

Am I the only one who thinks the guy playing Carroll is a horrible actor? Maybe its just in this show that he brings out his worst acting. I pretty much hate-watch this thing because it is so stupid most of the time, but I thought the revelation of young Hardy killing that junkie made this episode worthwhile.
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Apr 30, 2013
ok.i did a mistake of watching the episode yesterday,after dropping the show like a month ago.there was nothing else on the tv and i was curious if it got any better..nope.as stupid as i left it.for example,after they capture the suspect and leave him with parker they go down the basement (why all the homes on this show seem to have endless basements..).they capture the second suspect and instead of taking him up with,remember the other suspect?, and to reunite with the dumb police woman ,no,instead they interrogate him in the basement.i mean why should they think that it is better that they are all together upstairs with more light .no it is better to stay down in the dark ,where they cannot see their noses,and where they cannot keep an eye to the other suspect also.dumb dumb dumb.but hey we have the bad guys to act normal and smart so we are ok right?....
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Apr 18, 2013
Stupidest thing? All of the above. I can't decide, they were all painful to watch.
But there must be something to this show, I mean I can't stop watching and I don't know why.
I quit The Cult and Bates Motel with no trouble, but this keeps compelling me to watch the next episode. I don't understand.
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Apr 12, 2013
I suppose this is a bit of a weird viewpoint. But being 17, I haven't really had the years of experience watching all the shows and movies people compare and contrast to, the internet comments of 'OMG WHERE WERE YOU? UNDER A ROCK? how did you even live!?!? like what?' just come across as ridiculous. So no, sorry. I 'forgot' about the Veronica Mars cult-thingo because, I was kind of a child.

Anyway, my point here is that all these crazy crime tricks are totally new to my viewing experience (....I'm not a real horror fan, and I've only watched about 8 seasons of NCIS, which is a bit different to 'The Following' even if they're both crime shows)
So I've loved this. I'm not saying that its entirely plausible or anything, but my new-ness to the genre kind of allows me to overlook those 'where the hell were the security cameras?' plot-holes. Its pretty enjoyable people, I don't understand the hate-hate. Its fiction, but its fast-paced so why not just let things unfold and enjoy the ride...........................................................also I watched an entirely low-budget, horridly scripted (I mean it gave me a lobotomy. Seriously.) drama movie before I started on this so..I think the contrast maaaaay be helping.
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Apr 12, 2013
So the FBI still haven't figured out to send more than 2-3 cops to a suspicious probable crime scene? Should be at least 10! And on a side note, loved how Claire dissed Carroll's novel! Silly hack! And oh yeah, is the sound mixer getting paid enough? Couldn't hear the dialogue in the kitchen scene over the emo song! Come on guys!
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Apr 12, 2013
I keep hoping this show will get better. NOT!!! Take off the air.
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Apr 11, 2013
The Following is among the worst I ever seen on TV. The FBIs incompetence is off the scale. But I just cant stop watching this crap :)
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Apr 11, 2013
The strange thing about the show is the cult's supposed obsession with Poe but apart from inspired scratchings on a wall or someone in a Poe mask there is none of the slow burn horror from his work. A slowly swinging pendulum or being sealed alive in a wall or hearing the telltale heart etc etc. Apart from the victim in the pilot, it's all Mexican standoffs, slashing stomachs, setting people alight blah blah. Where is the contemplative horror, slow fear inducing deaths? It's all spearguns and throwing people out windows :-)
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Apr 11, 2013
Maybe when Ryan catches Joe he'll seal him up in a wall or devise some grim ending as the flashback indicates he's got his own sense of justice.
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Apr 11, 2013
Nice 3rd Bass name drop. Pete Nice would be proud. I don't know about "igloo sisters" though.
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Apr 11, 2013
Another week of the The Following.(ho hum) I usually watch on my DVR, I am never excited to watch this show and that disappoints me. This episode merits a grade of a C+. The Carroll/Hardy exchange reminded me of the movie Heat, but sadly no Pacino/De Niro in sight. I didn't mind the flashback.. I thought the best scene was when Roderick was with Claire explaining why he was with the crazies. With 3 NEW episodes remaining!! (Fox Promo Told Me) its time for this show to bring out the big guns and redeem itself from this uneven season(and I'm using that term lightly. C'mon MAN!!
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Apr 11, 2013
By the way--- How heavy-handed is this show arc that nobody can see Weston is the big mole. It's been obvious since he first appeared. Freakin' Perils of Pauline here....
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Apr 11, 2013
It's obvious that he isn't. Of course, it still wouldn't be a huge surprise if it turns out that he is, because a lot of things don't make sense on this show. But it would in my opinion push the show past "so stupid it's fun" into "so stupid it hurts".
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Apr 11, 2013
I kept trying for a while, but each week turned into another hate-watch. Yes, mostly because of the stupid-factor on the part of law enforcement, but lately because of the intricate-basement-complex-stocked with weapons/high-tech gear/etc that the cult seems to possess ad infinitum. Or ad nauseum. And after last week's bungled 'raid,' it prompted me to drop the body count, and start a bad-guys-who-slip-away-scot-free-while-surrounded-by-multiple-law-enforcement-entities count. Biggest stupid this week, tho? Too many to choose from, but how about leaving poor Parker by her lonesome with badass #1 and trying to interrogate badass #2 in a dark, unsecured, fortified basement location?
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Apr 10, 2013
It is ridiculous that the militia house wouldn't have been stormed by swarms of FBI and other agencies. They would have never have gone in alone. It is also ridiculous that Ryan Hardy and the three stooges would be operating with as much autonomy as they do.
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Apr 10, 2013
I hate that the writers can't even get the external references right. When the lady called Weston Brad Pitt, I was so confused then she said Fight Club and it kind of made sense. Thank you for mentioning that he looked more like Edward Norton's character, because I don't remember Tyler ever looking that bad and I've seen that movie many many times.

I just keep watching hoping the show will get better, but I am losing faith fast now. There aren't really any characters care about or root for and everything is just so ridiculous. And it is getting to be ridiculous in an annoying way instead of a funny way.
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Apr 10, 2013
I watch this show (and that other one too) by my choice, no external force, I want it to be good but well at this episode I sleep half way through it and when I woke up all the ^good^ action were done already and the two big guys were at the end of their long conversation. From the review I gather that I didn't miss much. :)
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Apr 10, 2013
It's somewhat entertaining to see how stupid everyone on this show is, but I'm getting sick of Parker being so *completely* useless. Has she ever done anything right? I suppose that we could give her some credit for getting under Jacob's skin while tied to a chair.

Seeing Weston get captured again was equally annoying. He showed up with this new badass attitude, but was still unable to keep an eye on the entrance to the room he's in.

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Apr 10, 2013
"Is Jacob's hair getting taller? I feel like with every episode we see, his hair is getting taller. Carroll may be his guiding light for murder, but I feel like his style icons are Marge Simpson, Eraserhead, and 3rd Bass-era MC Serch" haha loved this :) he might be a psycho but you`d die, literally,laughing at his hair height!
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Apr 10, 2013
You really need to add an "all of the above" option to that poll. This was one episode where I rolled my eyes so hard and so often I was afraid the wind would change and they'd get stuck up there.
Having said that, I did enjoy Claire's barb about Joe's "writing", and the fact that someone FINALLY slapped that Emma one's enormous moon face! But mostly this episode was annoying, and cringey to watch.
Loving the new and improved Jacob. Cannot wait until he kills Emma!
I am interested in the Roderick thing, because it has some potential to blow up in Joe's face. He's clearly pissed that Joe is relieving him of his "second-in-command" trusted confidante role, and is actually fed up of him screwing up. Add to that the fact that Joe is humiliating him daily, as are the other psycho minions, plus y'know, he is infact, a mudererous crazy person, who has been told that him and all the other mentalers are not allowed kill, and I see a potential for disaster. If the show hadn't been renewed for Season 2, I would say that Roderick will end up killing Joe and all of the Followers.
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Apr 10, 2013
emma`s enormous moon face made me lol :)
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Apr 10, 2013
Hahahaha, seeing the picture with Weston it the ambulance make me rofl. I'm so happy that i quit the show.
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Apr 10, 2013
Hardy, Angel of Death was by far the coolest thing this show has come up with. I thought they'd given us the absurdly cliched back story up to that point as filler. Obviously the revenge thing isn't exactly original either, but the execution (pun intended) worked for me. I thought they were going to play it straight for once because it was just characterisation, but WHAM, the theme wasn't Ryan's helplessness after all. Maybe I should have seen it coming because even that aspect of the show is usually in the service of a twist (eg. Ryan's fuck buddy), but in my defense there's been very little of it in the form of flashbacks that didn't center on Joe.
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Apr 10, 2013
Truth: I look forward to your review of this show more than the actual show. Whenever Fox tries to force feed me doses of stupidity, you save me with your wit and fearlessness in calling out all of the IDIOTIC plot holes in this show. Thank you.
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Apr 10, 2013
I'm basically hate-watching this. Sometimes the hate part is too strong, like when this show shamelessly rips off the whole Hannibal Lecter/Clarice dynamic of "tell me about your pain". Joe Carroll making Ryan tell him all about the death of his lamb, er, father. Good god. I cannot believe such wonderful actors are stuck in this dreck.
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Apr 10, 2013
Jacob's hair getting taller is a symbol of his growing evil and his ability to murder people. Don't you know that big hair equals psycho killer? I read it in a book somewhere.

Clarie has never watched a movie has she? You can't just walk out of the crazy house. You need to plot and plan and hope it works the first time or else you'll get caught and be sorry. They didn't beat her or kill her or anything. But she does have a nice ankle bracelet now. Try getting rid of that. I mean come on! Everyone knows the chances of just walking out on crazy is low.

Claire and Emma need to cat fight more. It was amusing. I have issues.

You don't leave the dangerous man handcuffed alone in the room. You turn your back and hear a weird noise because he's escaped and now about to kill you or he's dead and there are evil ninjas in the house. Come on Parker, you're slipping.

Poor Michael. First day back on the job and he gets captured by Joe. You know he was sitting there like, "I shouldn't have come to work today." At this point I would think about changing jobs.
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Apr 10, 2013
I /almost/ feel bad for the writers of this show since it's becoming so abundantly obvious they are completely out of their depth. The overarching premise of the show is great, some of the acting is great, but the writing is just so goddamn awful.
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Apr 09, 2013
Did anyone notice that NO ONE WAS PERFORMING CPR ON RYANS DAD - NOT EVEN RYAN!!. seriously...they were all standing in a circle and Ryan was holding his hand
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Apr 10, 2013
Good call. I mean, you could chalk that up to something that might happen in real life but it feels so weird to see on TV. Usually there's someone there trying to do _something_ to help a dude out. It's bizarre to see so many people just standing around and watching this man bleed out.
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Apr 14, 2013
It was 1983, maybe things were different back then with talks about aids and all...
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Apr 10, 2013
I said that too, while I was watching it, and then it cut back to Hardy growling at Carroll, "There were some people, standing, trying to help him..." And I was like, not according to your flashback!
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Apr 10, 2013
on the medical note... why was ryan's blood pressure taken with the blood pressure cuff over his shirt???
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Apr 10, 2013
my only response would be this
serial killers=bad nurses?
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Apr 09, 2013
This was one of the better episodes of the Following there has been so far. I liked the revelation about Ryan's dad and how that shaped him. I was expecting "his dad got shot during a robbery and they never caught the guy so that's why Ryan is a cop" but instead we got "his dad got shot during a robbery and the guy got away but somehow Ryan figured out where the guy lived an force feeding him drugs needle by needle until he died and that's why Ryan is a cop." So basically Ryan killed him. Which as far as Carroll is concerned puts them on an equal platform. But I disagree totally. Killing the guy who killed your dad and killing random people whom you've never met are totally different things.
As for the following (pun) story elements from last night's episode...
-Claire and Joey attempting to get up before everyone else and escape= nice try, better luck next time. Wait until a Sunday morning when everyone has stayed up late drinking the night before.
-Carroll "taking care of" Daniel Monroe himself= I buy that it is something that someone as mentally unstable as Carroll would do, it just seems out of character for Carroll.
-Jacob and Victor undermining, to his face and in front of Carroll, Roderick's confidence in the security of the Cult House= epic! I sense a dichotomy forming in the house...
-Emma and Claire= these two have a lot to sort out, obviously. I don't think taking the friendly approach was the right way to approach Claire both because it was a bad idea and because it doesn't suit Emma to be that sweet and nice. I could see right through her.
-Claire and Carroll= I'm hoping she can convince Carroll that Roderick can't be trusted and force him out. It's obvious that she thinks Roderick's plan is crap and not going to work even thought she doesn't know what it is. Otherwise, keep fighting the power Claire!
-One liner of the night goes to Agent Weston. Upon arriving at the house of Daniel Monroe he used a knife to jimmy the lock open drawing ire from Agent Parker he said "I thought this was Ryan Hardy approved."
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Apr 09, 2013
Ryan didnt let Carroll know he killed his dad's killer
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Apr 09, 2013
I really wanted to like this show, but it is impossible for me to completely shut off my brain and watch TV like so many other "its entertainment" sheep out there. When you root for the bad guys simply because the good guys are so freaking stupid, lets just say that's not good! I stopped caring about Claire when she got her 14th and 15th agent killed while she was on route to not giving a damn and riding off whispering pretentious overtures of her love for Hardy which on paper probably felt good to the writers, but in the end came off as shallow (after the body count in the process of protecting her). Note to the writers - Its OK to have the good guys win a little. At this time we actually have more dedicated and efficient, albeit crazed killers, than we have competent law enforcement! My question is with all the one sided weekly outcomes and the FBI literally Forrest Gumping their way through EVERY exchange with the killers, how and why did this series get renewed? Am I missing something, or is something else being broadcast to other viewers homes in this shows place that I clearly am not seeing?
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Apr 09, 2013
Lol Quick Draw McGraw. I am finally a fan of this series. Hopefully it gets even better from here.
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Apr 09, 2013
Carroll had to leave the house,because he couldn't trust Roderick to kill Daniel(was that his name),because they are friends. So Carroll did "if you gonna do something right,do it yourself" routine.
Also,ok Weston got captured,but how should he know,Carroll will be there? I know,he is an agent,but still...

Nothing tops last week's,where Parker triped over a dead body,while she had A FLASHLIGHT in her hands:D Parker(don't know name and too lazy to google it) just don't come back on Person Of Interest,please...I can't take you serious:D

My stupid observastion was,when Jacob let Parker go....wtf!?!?!? At least hold her hostage till you get to the doors ffs...

Also the way it was presented to us is stupid,but I liked,that Claire made an attempt to leave,you know. We knew it will fail and all,but she made an attempt.

Things that keep me coming back are Ryan,Jacob developed nice as character and Roderick can pull off crazy. And I wanna know,what this "plan" is:D
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Apr 14, 2013
No Jacob do us a favor just kill Parker. On your way out, on your way in, on your free time...
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Apr 09, 2013
No review of Revolution the week of the explanation?
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Apr 09, 2013
http://www.tv.com/news/revolution-the-song-remains-the-same-review-the-secrets-out-but-it-doesnt-really-matter-136552986612/
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Apr 10, 2013
Oh, it was out before I made that post. Don't know how I could have missed it then. Thanks.
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Apr 09, 2013
Jacob has mood hair. When he's being "evil" it's all towering and huge, but when he feels humanity (like calling his dad) it deflates. It's like a souffle.
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Apr 09, 2013
This episode had so much of other peoples work tied into it. From the officer getting injured on the job returning to work too soon and too revengey - every police procedural that has been on for more than two seasons goes there. This show is already using a trope used by shows that have earned that go-to - just seems lazy to try that in the first 10 episodes. And - forget the fact that the FBI investigation was centered around Rob Bogue's character (another Guiding Light veteran to get taken out in his first appearance) yet no one accompanies Hardy, the nitwit from the FBI, and the walking wounded to take him down. They needed him - alive because of the info he was to have - and this is how its handled. Just marvelously and conveniently ridiculous. Cue up Yakety Sax!!!! Ok so at any rate - -- So then the scene devolves into the Hannibal Lector scene with Carroll in the cage waxing ridiculously picking apart Hardy. Again, show - you aren't that good and that is someone else's work you are picking apart that is already being picked apart on NBC. I'm thinking now that Carroll is in fact Bizarro Superman. How did he get from the crazy house to Rob Bogue's house, capture and completely subdue an FBI agent that should have been at the height of awareness and figure out how to get in a sealed room to torture said agent and avoid capture and give him time to blather forever? -- one answer, he is Bizarro Superman.

Why did Hardy seen to genuinely enjoy that conversation. It was the first time he's seemed at peace this entire series.

The actor playing Jacob is really really awful and that seems to be working out for the best. He reacts the same to everything that happens to his character. Turning him into Psycho Killer, q'est que se, is the one terrible thing that works swell. His performance is emotionless and now so is his character. Good job show!

Love it -- first thing I thought when Carroll was about to screw that 12 yr old boy, er Emma, in the kitchen I thought - so many people have to eat out of that kitchen. No wonder they all seem to just tolerate Emma. That's the nastiest thing that's been done this entire series. He's been very keen on keeping this relationship on the down low, now he's screwing her in the most public location in the whole house? Come on show that seemed out of character even for you.

How did Emma get grabbed up so easily by Claire? Wouldn't Emma just have used Claire's attack as her excuse to just kill her already and wouldn't she have been pining for that moment since Claire become a resident? Doesn't make much sense to make Emma the meek one in that scene. But hey, this show can do whatever it wants now can't it.
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Apr 09, 2013
Weston may have the ability to be captured, at least the guy does something, he's not afraid to hit people, just like Hardy isn't afraid to shoot someone (hell, even Claire was close to probably ripping Emma's voicebox out). Parker seems to take issue in hurting people, seriously, kneecap someone already, do something remotely useful other than sit back and watch (but good point on her being all calm and stuff, but throw something, make hand gestures to show a level of frustration, ANYTHING!).

I wonder if the other cult members are glorified security detail, as you never hear of any other violent Joe-inspired mayhem (seriously, are they there for free coffee and cake?).

Joe seems to be rattled over silly little things like writer's block, Claire taking interest in his work (sarcastically, but you think he'd be over the moon that she took the time to snoop), Roderick being a little s**t disturber (someone hates competition...), and probably the lack of food in the house (he has all those mouths to feed you know, god knows people go shopping). I think the man needs a hug, or a Snickers, he tends to get "Mom, Ryan won't tell me his motivating factor, waaaah!".

As for them going it alone (again), to paraphrase Doc Brown. "Backup? Where we're going, we don't need backup!"
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Apr 09, 2013
Debra, not Parker. Let's not sully the competent Parker from Leverage with the same name as the female agent in The Following!
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Apr 09, 2013
Touche.
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Apr 09, 2013
Okay - now we're 12 episodes in, could TV.com please find somebody who likes the show to review it? Or just dump the reviews all together. Those who've stayed with the show for 12 episodes clearly enjoy some aspect of it, and to have to content with a reviewer who clearly just watches it for the pay check and can't even tell Claire apart from Jenni (Nick obvioulsy does not watch Justified, which makes me really doubt his qualifications as a TV critic) is annoying at best. Oh my, do I miss Price Peterson, he would have lol'ed with us about how silly this show is and then procede to celebrate that same silliness. Whereas with Nick it's hard not to think he's lol'ing at us.
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Apr 11, 2013
No. Please no. If you like the show, you're complete. People like me need to know that there are intelligent people out there that also roll our eyes for the full 42 minutes of each episode. I don't want to read a reviewer who likes this show. EVER!!!!!
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Jul 06, 2015
You watch a show that you don't like?????? WHY?
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Apr 09, 2013
Well, why dont you write a review?
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Apr 09, 2013
Why should they find someone liking The Following to review this ? Do you think critics should only be positive ? If you want to see a positive review, I'm sure there are tons of forom you could check out singing the praises of this wonderful show !
As a non american person, I have very different opinions about popular shows ; and sometimes I find it very difficult to hear how good CSI or NCIS are when I truly hate theses shows.
For once, I have found a reviewer and viewers of the same opinion. It makes a nice change !
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Apr 09, 2013
Maybe some people feel the need for someone to validate their opinions and feel threatened when these opinions are put to question?
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Apr 09, 2013
I can understand that, as I would like to find people who hate NCIS and CSI as much as me.
It is normal to seek people to share a mutual opinion on a TV Show. But, when you can't find them on a general TV website, there are always specialized foroms.
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Apr 11, 2013
Well, I hate NCIS. But mostly because that god-awful Chris O'Donnell is on it. Or is that NCIS-LA, or NCIS-SF, or maybe NCIS-MOUSE?
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Apr 09, 2013
Well, obviously. I was being sardonic. :>
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Apr 09, 2013
*writes deliriously sarcastic comment in reply about criticism being prepared to order and the nature of comment sections and the give-and-take in a discussion about popular culture but deletes it all because it was just borderline mean and decidedly unproductive*
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Apr 09, 2013
QED - shame it's not you writing the reviews for this show, witty, snarky but still from a place of compassion ... ;)
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Apr 09, 2013
Eh. I abandoned the show after three (maybe four?) episodes. You wouldn't have wanted me to write about this show. That compassion comes from a place of good will, and The Following never did much to warrant that from me in the episodes I watched.
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Apr 09, 2013
you show 'em! :D
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Apr 09, 2013
You're ignoring the fact that TVD is actually good television and the lols coming from it are actually intentional. TVD knows how ridiculous it is and celebrates it, thus - allowing us to celebrate it along with it. This is not the case with The Following, although, I do admit that the show is starting to get some self-awareness at last. Not enough, but, still - progress.
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Apr 09, 2013
But what about those of us who enjoy the goofy aspects of it that Nick points out?

Who's Jenni?
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Apr 09, 2013
I'm one of those who enjoy "goofy aspects of it that Nick points out" and I enjoy making fun of this show !
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Apr 09, 2013
Ugh. And the hits just keep on coming. The dumbest part for me was the shutting of the door on Weston, who didn't need to be transported via an Ambulance in order to set up Roderick being there without Weston pointing at him and saying, hey that is Roderick. Also, wouldn't a supposed genius FBI agent in the Behavioral Science Unit be able to describe a guy he saw quite well to a forensic artist and not get the details accurate. Come on!

And then we have Hardy revealing that he killed the guy that killed his father. Was that supposed to be the big reveal. Because it was lacking.

Also, Carroll and his writers block was silly. Calling Hardy like a petulant Freshman that doesn't know what to write about. Was silly and perhaps lessoned Carroll's supposed gravitas. The rest was just blah. And if Claire was any type of mother that I knew, know or grew up with, she would have killed Emma.
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Apr 09, 2013
Also, Debra asked Jacob about Paul. Doesn't the FBI know that Paul is dead? What happened to the body? There's never been any indication that Jacob took it with him...

Also, hopefully they'll be some payoff to the whole "Jacob's father is a doctor and a SOB thing." They certainly seem to be dwelling on it, what with Jacob's home visit a few episodes ago and then the call to him last night.
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Apr 09, 2013
I figured that Parker asked about Paul because she knows they've been pretending to be a couple for years. It was Parker trying to get under his skin (though as a soothing confidante rather than drilling interrogator). As far as I can tell, the only information she has is that Paul was stabbed and he's not around. Even if Paul was only injured, that the FBI was responsible for his injury should be enough for Parker use it to get Jacob emotional.
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Apr 09, 2013
But then what happened to Paul's corpse?
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Apr 09, 2013
So, even though Jacob's father was supposed to arrive in five minutes, Jacob seemed to have enough time to suffocate Paul and get away before anyone saw him. My theory: Jacob has attained OPP (Operating Poe Proxy), Level 3 in Carrollism which allows Jacob to expand time (how do you think Paul was able to live for so long with multiple stab wounds to the gut?). Five earthly minutes is plenty of time for Jacob to kill Paul with the pillow, dispose of the body, have a sandwich, and watch a rerun of Sanford and Son before ducking out the back door. Easy as pie.
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Apr 10, 2013
I mean Jacob.
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Apr 10, 2013
This would explain how Paul is suddenly a ninja assassin who quickly and quietly slit the militia guy's throat and disappeared into the darkness while Parker had her back turned for two seconds.
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Apr 09, 2013
My take on that was that she asked about Paul because she DID know and was trying to psych him out.
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Apr 09, 2013
But then Jacob would know that she knows, and feigning ignorance so she could set him up.
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Apr 09, 2013
STILL ROOTING FOR JOE CARROLL -
JOE- top notch security for his family (family values),
-training a militia, not a bad idea considering how poor the government agencies are performing in the hunt for Joe (military tactics)
-Carrolism - sounds sing song christmasy (possible global holiday)
-getting notes on his book (always looking to improve himself)
-going on a mission after seeing Rodericks flaws (leads by example)
-smart enough to take cover behind bullet proof glass while the gun happy Ryan shots(common sense)
-got Ryan to talk about daddy(gives sound mental health advice to those in need)
- the fueled by death chat - helps Ryan make a personal connection (community spirit)
-admits that Ryans "my daddy died" story would have to be improved(creative genius)
-comforts Emma in the kitchen (a good friend)

RYAN-morning after booty call he needs a medical (you are so weak Ryan),
-he cant control Weston (poor leadership)
-couldn't stop Weston breaking in (illegal searches)
-got caught by security at the house (clumsy)
-he could have wounded Vince (murderer or just a poor shot?)
-he didnt help his dying father (inhumane and poor medical skills)
-his side of the fueled by death chat(the ego of Ryan is so huge)
-killed someone with drugs(drug dealer and killer)
-Roderick is right in front of him, he even has a sketch of him and he doesnt even blink (poor police work and possibly poor eyesight)

JOE CARROLL-strong family values, military tactician,self improver, strong leader with common sense and community spirit. A creative genius and good friend to all.
If he runs for president he should win. If he wins the presidency there will probably be a new American holiday for Carrolism.
Joe Carroll - what a guy!

Ryan Hardy - physically feeble, poor leader, bad cop with a list of mental health issues and a drug dealer.
Ryan Hardy - what a douche!
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Apr 09, 2013
Absolutely hilarious !
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Apr 09, 2013
Could this show get anymore ridiculous ?
The part where weston get captured (again), where Hardy faces Caroll alone (again; where were the other FBI agents ? Having a coffee ? Are they also bored with the show ? ) and we are forced to listen to "Bouhou, poor Hardy, he saw his daddy die when he was 15 bouhou ! " I tought I would either fall asleep or die laughing.
As for Carroll's lines " We live our lives through death" like it was a big revelation a la "I'm your father, Luke", well sorry to disappoint but we all live our lives through death : death defines life, like good defines bad and matter defines antimatter. This is not big philosophy, this is just basic common sense.
As for the end when we see that a follower is going to be the sheriff helping the FBI, it could have been more freaky, well less ridiculous, if there hadn't been a creepy music in the backround to remind the viewers who have the memory of a goldfish that a bad guy is going to help the good guys. Doing what ? No idea ; Caroll seems to have special passage ways that allow him to go where he wants...
And I'm not even talking about the reasons why the Followers joined the cult of Joe Carroll "They joined because they wanted to belong... " And the only way was to kill people ? Joining an association ? Practicing a sport ? Not ringing any bell ?
Congratulation The Following, you've officially bacame funnier than Revolution !
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Apr 09, 2013
" Caroll seems to have special passage ways that allow him to go where he wants..." - i can add engineer to my list of Joe Carroll qualities
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Apr 09, 2013
I think being somewhere on the spectrum between a killer and a psychopathic killer is rather the reason these people needed the cult, not the means by which they got in it.
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Apr 09, 2013
So they were all killers before joining the cult ? Or did they join and they became serial killers all of the sudden ? Is there a virus of serial killing in the air ?
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Apr 09, 2013
First of all not all killers are serial killers (ie. Jacob or Emma). Second of all, psychopaths or generally pissed off or simply cruel people are out there. Give them a chance to turn their darker impulses loose and say that it's ok, and they'll jump on it. At least, that's how I understand the cult here.
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Apr 09, 2013
That's my understanding of the cult, too. Some of the people there know and love killing. Others are there for their impulses. Still others just want to belong to something. Carroll brings them all together with a message that appeals to all of them: by experiencing death, they will collectively live life.

There's the constant refrain in this series that people in the cult who die just want their lives to "mean something." Meaning something for many Americans is to be part of something that's on the TV. Carroll's cult represents something the media will be interested in and something that will test the bounds of humanity.

Now. The issue I have with all this is (a) Carroll doesn't seem charismatic enough to be the messianic figurehead of this cult, (b) the "message" gets obfuscated as each episode vacillates between calling this a religion and positioning it like a graduate class on murder, and (c) there's so little focus on the dynamic of the rest of the house (we only see our principal characters interact with each other) that it's hard to get an understanding of what's going on there except when they outright tell us (like Roderick did for Claire this week). Once the "plan" is finally set into motion, I imagine we'll have a better idea of the stock of people in the Murder House.
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Apr 09, 2013
i think thats how Roderick explained why he was there
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Apr 09, 2013
Other Stupidity of the Week: Ryan saw a (pretty good) sketch of Roderick 30 minutes earlier. But he doesn't recognize him when he comes face-to-face to him? Although I imagine the writers' heavy emphasis on Roderick's odd accent as Mike described it, will play a part next week. Or not.
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Apr 10, 2013
Ryan is an alcoholic, remember? Sometimes, when it suits the writers. So perhaps his memory cells are all dead. Or was there some ridiculousness at the beginning of the episode with Molly, she was taking his BP and it was really low, and she asked him was he faint or something...? Maybe that also?
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Apr 09, 2013
I've come to the conclusion that most of the people on this show has a short-term memory about on par with Guy Pierce in MEMENTO.
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Apr 09, 2013
i think Ryan has bad eyesight
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Apr 09, 2013
Stupidity of the week: Ryan, Parker, and Mike not taking any backup. Did they have some other lead that the hundreds of other FBI agents were busy with?

Them splitting up to search the house and/or guard the prisoner. And then Mike and Ryan splitting up again to search the interdimensionally transcendental basement. (complete with bulletproof room!)
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Apr 14, 2013
Maybe we should consider something else like other agents staying away from them because everybody dies due to their enormous lack of efficiency.
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Apr 09, 2013
I'm still hoping Parker is secretly in on Carroll's cult. It pains me to think that anyone - let alone an FBI agent - can be so naive and stupid.

And what's the deal with Hardy and Weston conducting a second-rate interview in a dark basement? Should they not have brought the guy upstairs, informed Parker, then have one of them go outside to call in backup?
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Apr 09, 2013
"...for all the cult members Hardy doesn't kil". Which, so far, is at one, correct? The girl who was gonna kill the lady named Claire with a nailgun? I can't remember if someone shot her, too, as when Claire and Jacob were having a conversation about the people in the house, I SWEAR she was one of the people in the bookclub sitting on the couch. That, or she has a twin.

I was nearly livid when Parker was about to do what the chained up cult member said to do. She makes Kim Bauer look like a genius. How did you get this far in the FBI being this stupid? I think she was only going to the window, but she's still leaving that guy out of her sight. Has she not already learned how Carroll is apparently a Jedi ninja master who taught all 50 or so cult members all his tricks from inside prison? I did like Bacon's reaction to her calling it "Carroll-ism". It seemed less in character and more Bacon legit thinking it was stupid to even go there.

Emma vs Claire...I can't even pick a side on that. Maybe kill each other?

I had the same thought with Carroll and Emma getting it on in the kitchen. What if someone came in for an apple right then? "Excuse me, guys, just need a snack. Go on with your fornicating."

I think I have moved past hate watching this to just hating it and slugging it out the last couple episodes. They'll have to come up with a fairly clever cliffhanger to get me to come back next season, though. I really hope "Hannibal" grows with word of mouth because that show is more what I expected this to be (i.e. not treat me as stupid as most of the characters in this show)
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Apr 09, 2013
You forgot about that militia guy Hardy shot this week. After so many episodes (and so many bodies dropped) how can the bad guys still *NOT* believe Hardy will shoot them when he says he will? Remember that blond gal Whatherface, who said she didn't believe Hardy had the guts to kill her? The cops are borderline moronic on this show, but the cult members aren't that far behind....
I actually liked that bit of a flashback when we learned that a teenage Hardy took a gun and forced a junkie to overdose, and what he said about making choices you can live with. It made me like Hardy a lot more, 'cause what really does drive him is a quest for redemption and I'm a complete sucker for redemption arcs.
And before you bring up Hardy's kill-toll, remember that so far he's only killed when the bad guy wanted to kill him or somebody else. That revenge thing with the junky was a cold blooded calculated murder. There is a difference.
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