The Leftovers Season 2 Premiere Review: Provocative Art or Pompous Garbage?

The Leftovers S02E01: "Axis Mundi"

Following the entirely different opening credits and the lengthy prehistoric scene of a cavewoman giving birth, sucking eggs, and dying, you may be asking yourself, "What the fudge did I just watch?" That is indeed the thrilling and frustrating question after sitting through the Season 2 premiere of The Leftovers, HBO's puzzling drama about loss against the backdrop of a Rapture-like event that caused 2 percent of the population to disappear without reason. And now The Leftovers is apparently also about dying cavewomen, goat sacrifices, and naked teenagers running through the forest. Unless you were high on bath salts, the premiere drew a strong reaction from you, and for better or worse, that was probably the point. 

Season 1 of The Leftovers dropkicked the rest of television with its mystifying approach to storytelling, particularly when compared to its peers. It was more concerned with blurring the already hazy lines of the abstract than it was with plotting or thorough character development, and at times felt as though its objective was to antagonize its audience to provoke emotional reaction, be it adoration at its boldness or anger at its pretension. Ultimately, my feelings on Season 1 were of the exasperated variety despite some highlights, and I saw showrunner Damon Lindelof up to his old tricks of thinking his creation was better, more important, and more intellectual than it actually was. Ahhh, the torture of being a misunderstood artist! Or maybe your art isn't actually good? I mean, Season 1 was weird, and though each individual was entitled to their own interpretation, all I saw was an incomprehensible mess with moments of brilliance that were too far and between. But I still watched the whole season because I was drawn to it and its madness, and that's part of The Leftovers' power.

So much of that was retained in the first episode of Season 2, which was both a test of patience and sanity and an enthralling creative reboot of what was a flawed first season. But Season 2 already felt stronger thanks to some tangible and steady tension from a new crop of characters. The Mapleton of Season 1? Forget it, it's gone. Season 2 leaped into Jarden, Texas, a town just shy of 10,000 inhabitants that miraculously never lost a soul to the Great Poofening. There we hung out with the Murphy family, headed up by parents John (a blazing performance from Kevin Carroll) and Erika (the always great Regina King). And it's in John that Season 2 gets the teeth that Season 1 never had. 

The Garveys didn't even show up until the end of the episode, but you can already tell that at some point, John Murphy and Kevin Garvey will be biting each others' faces off. That's already a more solid foundation and the closest The Leftovers has come to a story than anything in Season 1. 

But it's hard to tell if that will be enough to change anyone's mind if they didn't enjoy already enjoy The Leftovers, because just as the premiere seemed open to some sense of traditionalism, its roots of pretentious art dug even further into the ground. Did you see how "Axis Mundi" began? That's the most insane sequence of television to begin a season that I've ever seen. For those who weren't lucky enough to watch it, stop reading and go take a look right now. But here's what went down: A very pregnant cavewoman got separated from her tribe after an earthquake collapsed the cave she had been sleeping in, and she gave birth—splashy water-breaking and all—right before us in what can only be described as both graphic and "miracle of life" beauty. Then she struggled on her own, searched for food, got bit by a rattlesnake, died, and the baby was taken away by another cavewoman. This was absurd even by The Leftovers' standards, a dare to keep us watching, but it was also undeniably entrancing. 

What did it mean? Why was it included in the episode? We can theorize that she was a first woman and her death either haunted or blessed the land on which she died, which was inferred to be Jarden thanks to a panning flashforward to present day. We can guess that it was a symbolic reminder that human nature's preference is to care for each other, and the second cavelady was a prime example of our species persevering and looking out for one another. We can postulate that Damon Lindelof has lost his mind and watched too much 2001, and came into this season more intent on trolling us than ever before. We can assume that The Leftovers is pseudo-intellectual masturbating by its creators who are tricking others into believing what we just saw had any actual meaning. 

That's the beauty of The Leftovers and why it's such an essential television series in this day. There's so much television out there that at least one of them has to be weird, symbolic New Age nonsense capable of both enrapturing and enraging an audience, right? I can't pretend to outright enjoy The Leftovers, because I most certainly do not, but I love that it exists for the purpose of giving us something to talk and think about. A dozen people can watch the premiere in the same room and have 100 different opinions on it. It's challenging, stimulating television, maybe like a 50,000-piece puzzle, or maybe in the same way Sisyphus found rolling that boulder to be challenging and stimulating. 

We can also talk about the goat sacrifice in the middle of the diner, the flash to the naked teen girls running in the forest for no apparent reason and with absolutely no connective tissue with the rest of the episode, why Erika dug up a box with a living bird in it, or the disappearing swimming hole (is the Poofening spreading to bodies of water now?). And though I'm not sure where that would get us in understanding any of it, it's fun to get the dialogue going and seeing what people come up with. Maybe psychiatrists can show patients an episode of The Leftovers instead of administering a Rorschach test. 


The Leftovers continued to be beautifully shot and impeccably acted, something that it absolutely needed in order to sell its relevance. Carroll led the charge as John, and we haven't even seen enough of King and Carrie Coon yet. Without these performances and camerawork, it would be hard to buy whatever it is The Leftovers is trying to sell us (morbid reality? Inevitable doom? Total hogwash?), but the conviction of it all is the most important part of the pitch. 

We're looking at a very incomplete painting here, but it already felt like Season 2 was better than Season 1 both for a firmer grasp on a plot thanks to the introduction of the Murphys and inevitable clashing with the Garveys and for wackadoodle nonsense that provides talking points. That still doesn't make The Leftovers a great show, but it makes it a great social exercise. This was a premiere I was glad i watched, but I never, ever want to watch it again. Ever.



LEFTOVERS

– Mark Lynn Baker... WHO ARE YOU REALLY? 

– Okay, let's hear explanations for: 1) cavewoman, 2) goat sacrifice in the diner, 3) buried bird in a box, 4) the three girls running naked.

– I'm a little worried that the series will pull away from the Murphys and focus more on the Garveys. I'm not looking forward to that. 

– I took a peek at Episode 2, and it will fill in some blanks that you have questions about, don't worry. 

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Nov 24, 2015
I understand your notion, Tim - I felt just the same after that season 2 premiere. - After a few more episodes, I must say that this show leaves me sometimes (positively) flabbergasted, and at other times, I just scratch my head, going: "Whaaaaa?".
Without having read the book (and hell no, I won't read it now!) I feel that this show is similar to MR ROBOT in its execution: the acting is mostly superb, there is a whole concept and "mold" behind it. And that's what you feel when you listen to the sometimes cryptic dialogue and strange happenings. There is somebody with a VISION behind it - if it's arty or artsy-fartsy can most likely only be told in the end. Same as with MR ROBOT.
It's a rare gem, with twists and turns that sometimes remind me of the "Just take my hand and stop thinking"-appeal of LOST, but with a much grittier feel of despair and the struggle for hope and love.
I for myself just hope that they don't mess it up in the end - with such a concept, easy ways out can be a real let-down. Just as LOST got lost in the end.
So far, it's an exciting journey.
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Dec 04, 2015
Concerning the book it was actually a really good read and the second season has absolutely nothing to do with it. The book just expands upon the events of the first season and it was way better than than the show (which I usually always find to be true when it comes to tv or movie adaptations of books). The second season is just original stuff that includes some of the characters that we know from the first season.
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Dec 06, 2015
Thanks for the info. :) - I had recently read as well that season 2 was created exclusively for the series - after having posted my comment. ;) - So, I guess I can give the book a try now. ;)
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Nov 17, 2015
Where are all the reviews???
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Nov 13, 2015
I didn't like season one and left off watching after 3 or 4. After I heard the podcast with Tim and Corey, I was intrigued and watched this first episode. I think it is definitely compelling because of the WTF factor. If they keep that in it, I'm in for the long haul. Very interesting diverse scenes, a mental playground for the individual viewer.
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Oct 29, 2015
I was intrigued with the opening stoneage clip. It grabbed me like the apes scene did in 2001. The earthquake being a symptom as well as the cave in of a bigger event. Though you can easily explain away that the tribe in the cave did not technically vanish but for all intents and purposes, it was a total loss for the pregnant cave woman. I then interpreted her struggle, sacrifice, and her child being saved by another woman as an indication that life goes on...

Whats with the sleepwalking? I love how sleepwalking is one of those mysteries I have never really looked into since I have never met a single person who sleep walks. That is probably one thing that eats away at my suspension of disbelief while watching this show. It's challenging for me to reason out how someone could almost drown from tying a cinder block to your leg before committing suicide all under the guise of "sleepwalking". Then again he also suffers from schizophrenia like his father so who knows how much that factors in.

All in all I dig the show and hope they pull in enough ratings to get renewed for Season 3.
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Oct 21, 2015
Am I the only one who kept checking to see what show I was watching?! I was so lost and yet so intrigued.
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Nov 13, 2015
That is exactly what I did, about three times!
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Oct 09, 2015
I can't speak for anyone else but I only watched the whole episode for the same reason I watch cars slide on ice at 50 mph.
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Oct 09, 2015
I felt that this whole episode had to do with.. Being free. I think that in this town they are all so afraid that they are going to dissappear and they try to do everything they think is rright to prevent that. They hide their true feelings and that is why we saw many scenes with running and birds... They symbolize freedom..i truly love this show... Many hidden messages that you have to unfold
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Oct 08, 2015
The reviewer is right about something: it's not a great show, it is however a brilliant show!
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Oct 07, 2015
its funny that when Twin Peaks was all wierd and bat shit crazy, everyone loved it....
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Oct 08, 2015
Although I'm a fan of Twin Peaks and enjoyed this episode of The Leftovers, neither every viewer nor most viewers are fans of it. I get the impression that fans of the movie are even further into the fringe. I disagree that Twin Peaks and the last season of The Leftovers are on the same level of weird and crazy, but there's not enough time to delve into it.
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Oct 07, 2015
Yes the episode was so much WTF, but it was exciting WTF moments! yes the opening was horrendous and waaaay too long, but I forgot about it the moment John burned down that guys house. thats when the crazy train started and im happy to enjoy this ride. Clearly there is some biblical old testament shit going on here and i cant wait for the fallout between the Murphys and the Garveys.
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Oct 07, 2015
I'm shocked at the tone here in the comments - WTF is wrong with you people? What's with all the thought- and opinion-policing?
Even if this show is pretentious and overrated? HM? WHAT? Is it a bad show because of it? Was The Sopranos a bad show? Or Fringe? Or Rectify?
By all means, the actors are great, the production values are way above the rest and the story is quite unique... and since when does every fucking scene need to be explained and logically connected to the plot? Do none of you daydream? Why can't we see teenage girls running naked through the woods? Why do I need an explanation for a man feeling the need to sacrifice a goat during the day in a full diner?
And yes, if I think the reviewer missed critical scenes there is no reason to tell him, and as long as it keeps being somewhat polite or sarcastical or funny it's alright.
Here, for all of ya' opinion-coppers:



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Oct 12, 2015
Someone had to say it. And you did klotensen .. Bravo!!
I cant take my eyes off it.
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Oct 07, 2015
Why is it pretentious? I just find it intriguing & unsettling due to everything that is left unexplained. I think it's better not to explain & let people think about it for themselves. It makes me feel uneasy, but it's not as dark as Lynch.
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Oct 07, 2015
I'm like What. The. Hell. And Can't. Stop. Watching.
Loving the new family and local. I mean so many questions on why is John burning down a house and why is his wife ok with it? It seems he has some super sleuth lie detector or something. Love the weirdness at the BBQ, love how I'm so lost but so intrigued!
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Oct 07, 2015
And do you all think that losing his daughter is the "bad thing" that John's friend predicted?

I was a bit dissapointed that that wasn't addressed. That whole business with that hand painting/readings guy and burning down his house. Some very weird business indeed. It had a total Salem, burning at the stake vibe. Like there're all these unpsoken rules and all these "enforcers" of those rules.

So intriguing and strange. Again, can't wait to see more of this next week.

And what's up w/that mysterious pie?

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Oct 07, 2015
I think it was weird of the reviewer not to mention John's childhood friend and what he did to him - if Tim doesn't spend any attention to what is going on, no wonder he can't grasp anything resembling a plot. Not the show's fault.
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Oct 07, 2015
I must say that I seriously, firmly disliked that strange cold-open. It was the longest, strangest, and most excrutiating opening sequences of my life. At least that's how it felt. I realize that there are parallels w/the present earthquakes and those earthquakes. But whatever. I feel they could've drawn those parallels much sooner and swifter and gotten to the present to introduce us to spooky Mr. Murphy.

That aside, once we met the Murphy's I was like "Oh wow, this shit is getting really weird!" I didn't need ominous music to make me feel really uneasy when John Murphy met anyone or interacted w/anyone. He's not a right guy.

I'm sorry I can't remember who Mark Lynn Baker is, who's that again?

Goat sacrifices, birds in boxes, & naked girls running in the woods apropos of nothing?! So fucking bizarre. I can't wait to see more. But please no more excrutiating, long prehistoric people sequences. I only knew I was watching the right show b/c of the (also long) opening credits.

The Murphys seem very pivotal to everything, I don't think they'll pull away. *fingers crossed*


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Oct 07, 2015
All my thoughts are this!! I love love love The Leftovers, but that opening scene was THE WORST. BUt the mystery of the happenigs of this town is so intriguing it made up for it. After wards I was like og yeah I forgot that whole Cavewoman thing happened.
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Oct 07, 2015
@ gothceltgirl RE: I'm sorry I can't remember who Mark Lynn Baker is, who's that again?

In the first season when Garvey Jr. was dreaming about meeting Garvey Sr. in the nuthouse, the show playing on the TV was 'Perfect Strangers'. The show had a goat herder from Mypos played by Bronson Pinchot who moves in with his cousin, Larry Appleton who was played by none other than Mark Linn-Baker. WTF this has to do with anything else IDK, but I'm sure someone somewhere out there knows, lol.
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Oct 07, 2015
Oh, I see. This show is so crazy! Wow, did you remember all of that? Or did you look it up? I loved Perfect Strangers BTW. Can't remember a damn thing about it now. Just that I loved it once... Well, also that Bronson Pinchot was funny, at least to me then...
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Oct 06, 2015
The only mental masturbation I see is from you Tim. The earthquakes are related one in the past and the one that swallowed the lake. Really trite your body of water poofening joke. Obviously due to the "rapture" religious mania and superstition are rampant. This is why we have a guy in a tower like in the middle ages people who would live outdoors in trees to suffer as Christ did and the goat sacrifice was clear old testament/Torah tradition. As in season one the event has people doing weird things so yeah girls running naked maybe sexual maybe an ode to a female deity ala Wiccan type stuff. All that blather and you don't mention the Fahrenheit 151 shout out with our crazy fireman. Damn tim you're in rare form and off to a wonderful cantankerous start.

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Oct 07, 2015
Fahrenheit 151 is only about 1/3 as good as Fahrenheit 451, you should check that one out.
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Oct 07, 2015
Good lord the alcoholic in me came out while ranting. There is a 151 our there but it ain't book related...
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Oct 06, 2015
This episode was a strong start. I trust the seaon to have at least the same or stronger power as the 1st season, which I thought was very interesting.
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Oct 06, 2015
Beside from the wired stuff the episode was pretty Good...Solid Acting by the Murphy family..
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Oct 06, 2015
What the hell did i watch...the first five minutes i was like OMG...then i was like ok...where are all the characters from last season when i saw the preach. Then the end when the daughter dissapeared...when the mother was sitting all alone on the table...sad...:(:(:(
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Oct 06, 2015
Damn! I want to go running with Evie and her friends!!
The Murphys are interesting! and what the fuck was up with the dude killing the goat in the middle of the diner? not cool!
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Oct 06, 2015
i thought it was cool. Could you be more specific? ;)
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Oct 08, 2015
All those lovely people were enjoying their meal until that dude killed the poor goat in the middle of the diner. They all probably lost their appetite!
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Oct 08, 2015
Sometimes though, you just gotta sacrifice a goat in a small town diner & not worry about patron appetites. Otherwise, bad things could happen to good people.

#Priorities
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Oct 10, 2015
I hope you're right
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Oct 06, 2015
That premiere was awful. I was absolutely enthralled with season 1. I wanted to learn more about the Garveys including Kevin's dad, his wife, and their son Tommy. I didn't really care about the place and I really don't care about this new place. The caveman scene was nearly 1/4 the show. Whatever it was meant to convey, it took entirely too long to convey it. Hell the first 40 minutes of the show jumped to new characters we've never seen before which was very jarring.

I'll give it another episode but it's looking like it's just another post apocalyptic show that I'm going to give up.
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Oct 06, 2015
@timattvdotcom Leave the review to this show to the only member of your staff with a brain: Noel
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Oct 06, 2015
I'll hazard a guess on the cavewoman scene - the more things change, the more they don't change. Thousands of years later and the swimming is hole is (briefly) still there, still random earthquakes, odd coinky-dinks, etc. I'm going with new Jarden isn't really different from prehistoric Jarden.

I was amused that with the goat sacrifice, he laid down a tarp under the goat...and then killed it over the floor instead of the tarp. Speaking of pointless...

Also suspect next episode will be mostly about the Garveys & less the Murphys, and after that balanced between the two families. Papa Murphy is likely the most violent/sociopathic person living in Jarden, so he was their natural selection as an enforcer.

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Oct 06, 2015
Who's got two thumbs and is glad that creative team behind this series has held on to, if not dialled up it's level on the "Don't Give A F*ck-O-Meter"? THIS GUY!

I don't care what anybody else thinks, The Leftovers is FANTASTIC watching.
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Oct 06, 2015
Great Stuff . I liked the first season . This season premiere was superb . If you are just sitting in-front of tv and want everything clear and easy , probably you would not like it .

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Oct 06, 2015
Finally, an actual explanation to the bonkers cavewoman opening scene for season 2:

it's a genuine troll job made up by Lindelof's writer room toward a podcast they all listen to who pretty much liked the first season the same way Tim Surette did - aka, not that much.

... What, don't believe me? Then you should probably read this Vulture article.

But hey, at least those guys are happy about it:

https://youtu.be/CwcrFvQRsKg?t=48s
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Oct 05, 2015
I was a massive fan of this show's first season. it was one of my favourite shows of last year. I recently rewatched it to prepare for season 2. I must say that i was a little taken aback by the change in tone. The themes of grief and loss didn't seem as apparent in this first episode. The change in setting seemed a lot lighter and brighter than the dark tone of the previous location in NY. I also had an extreme dislike for the new opening credits. Although, I suppose there is only so long a show can go on being really depressing before it starts to lose viewers. I was disappointed that we barely saw the Garveys in this episode as well. I hope they will appear more in later episodes.

On a positive note, there were some very interesting mysteries introduced here. The new characters were pretty good, and I am interested to see how they develop. I guess change can be a good thing, but it may take a bit of getting used to.
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Oct 05, 2015
Great comeback! Through illusions, allusions and hasty glimpses in distortive mirrors the season’s premiere composed an ode to the troubled human nature! A nature lost in the relative concept of a non linear time, damned to display the same behavior for different reasons.

Mysterious and fun; with gripping script and solid performances; with captivating photography and artistic camera work; “Axis Mundi” consisted an entertaining and above all engaging episode!

But why, oh why? Why didn’t they have to change opening credits??? The new opening credits suck big time!

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Oct 05, 2015
Love that season premiere !
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Oct 05, 2015
I will never understand how anyone can NOT like this show. That premiere was everything and more. The opening scene with the cave woman was the absolute perfect start to the season and I am dying to unravel more of the mystery that is Miracle, Texas.

As far as explanations go, I have none. The cave woman and her baby are obviously significant in some way but I have no idea how.

The goat sacrifice in the diner was hilarious and maybe the diner just wants to show their customers just how fresh their meat really was (LOL).

The bird in the box could have some connection to the earthquake since I believe a bird was present before the landslide with the cave woman.

And lastly, the three girls running naked was clearly a flash into the future since Yvie and her friends disappeared at the end of the episode. That entire scene made no sense until we find out what happened at the end.

This show reminds me of LOST in a way and I haven't been this excited about a show in a long, long time (with the exception of Game of Thrones and American Horror Story).

Check out my own review from the premiere here (w/ lots of screencaps): http://mikeydislikesit.com/the-leftovers-axis-mundi-season-premiere-review/

And welcome to Miracle fellow departed.


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Oct 06, 2015
Yeah great start. The goat sacrifice was hilarious, almost camp. IMHO the context is that this town has been made a National Park. C'mon. What could be more hilarious than that. There were stands selling pond water. The goat was part of the performative aspects of Park Miracle engaging the tourists!
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Oct 05, 2015
Hey, haters, you don't have to read Tim's reviews if you don't like them! And if you do read them and feel moved to comment, try to offer your interpretation of the Leftovers instead of abusing the author, which would be much more interesting than reading this litany of vitriol.
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Oct 05, 2015
The reason why people react this way is simple. Cognitive dissonance.
People don't like to be unsure of something and so they will do anything not to feel that uncertainty. Deep in their hearts they know this show is bullshit. So everybody who is calling the show bullshit will be fiercely attacked. And Tim doesn't mind. People must defend their favorite show.
It means that they are passionate about it. If personal attacks are the right way to do it? I don't think so. I always try to be nice. But that's just my personal preference. If you really love this show you don't feel the need to defend it because of a bad review. You just won't care what Tim or others think. You just enjoy it.

I agree with you. I also like to see people come with some good arguments instead of calling him dumb or stupid or whatever.

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Oct 05, 2015
I am going to have to watch it to see who is right here, Tim or not liking his review in the comments.
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Oct 05, 2015
Pompous garbage is your reviews, Tim.
Im not wastintg time reading them, they should
give this show reviews to someone else.
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Oct 05, 2015
Nobody else wants it... that's a known fact for anyone reading TV.com.
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Oct 05, 2015
Provocative Art or Pompous Garbage? I see this question asked about shows like Hannibal, Mr. Robot etc by different reviewers. The answer is pretty easy. The person asking the question is fucking stupid most of the time.
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Oct 05, 2015
This episode needed 100 percent more teenagers locked inside old refrigerators.
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Oct 05, 2015
Last year, I bought the ticket & took the ride & I fuckin' loved it.

Tonight, I hated the intro with the lazy stillshots & disco letters, but meh. I got my ticket & I'm takin' the ride. I knew it was gonna be a reboot this year, but I didn't really know what to expect. All I knew is that I wanted tortured weirdness with interesting characters, & that's exactly what I got.

Leftovers, I love ya, Baby. Let your freak flag fly. Don't worry about all the naysayers. I get you...sort of.
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Oct 07, 2015
Didn't like the intro too, but everything else was fantastic, I love this show. Which is weird, I normally stay away from religious themes and Damon Lindeloff. But The Leftovers is one of very few shows managing to actually surprise me and I don't know where they are going - I have often a faint inkling but no more than that.
Go Freaks, GO!
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Oct 05, 2015
it's odd, reading the review as someone who didn't watch the episode it appeared as though Tim landed smack dab in the middle of being on the fence regarding the show but according to the people commenting that are trying to defend the show they don't see it that way.

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Oct 05, 2015
Most of these comments are not any critique on his review but his persona. Half of them have insults or don't even address anything he said. Go figure.
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Oct 07, 2015
... or they address all the stuff he didn't write. Maybe because he failed to notice. That is ok, I think.
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Oct 07, 2015
Sure. That's the other half I excluded in my statement.
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Oct 07, 2015
Cool. I always forget about the other half.
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Oct 05, 2015
why can you see this for the pretentious bullshit that it potentially is and not Mr. Robot?
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Oct 05, 2015
If you're watching this show for answers...then you're an idiot. Don't you know that Damon Lindelof is the writer?
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Oct 05, 2015
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Oct 07, 2015
Tim is just like the rest of us, he enjoys hating the things that make him really question what he has just watched. He has the dubious honor of then having to regurgitate what his brain watched and then make sense of it to write this column. Good luck with that, lol. I don't know what it means but questioning what it is, 'IS' the fun part of watching something exceptional.
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Oct 05, 2015
Too bad for you that you just proved your opinion worthless... playing the "too dumb to get it!" card. Classic defense by those that know the show is actually shit.
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Oct 05, 2015
shocker! ..the unhinged incompetent rushing to the aid of the moronic window-licking poo-thrower.

im sure the 'too dumb to get it' apply's to you also, if all you got from my response is that tim is a simpleton, with an unintelligent thesis of this show.

to me, tim is a defective impartial observer (as well), who does not understand this show, does not like this show, but watches it to uncover & revel in the madness. It is the thematic equivalent of watching a foreign language film.. without subtitles. He is confused & incapable of comprehension unless spelt out for him, that makes him unsuitable to this task.

i watch this show, because i enjoy it, i get something from it. if he gets nothing from a show, you have to question why he continues to review it from his own ignorant limitations. [nothing to do with site click-rates, im sure].

we dont need his self-indulgent asymptomatic moronic try-hard reviews [as with his magnus opus to under the dome] for this show. He doesnt get, ...& thats ok... the world needs toilet cleaners & garbage men too. (or is that garbage people!)
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Oct 06, 2015
You realise you just proved you aren't more intelligent with the constant insulting right? But carry on, prove who here has the real issues. ANd I know you need a hint... it's you.
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Oct 08, 2015
I never think things through. Enough ths? Yes? Good.
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Oct 08, 2015
Klotensen... think through when you post next time. Please. I wasn't even defending Tim, but attacking the idiotic route that people like you take at attacking people that don't like the pile of shit "art" that isn't actually that intelligent. Keep it up!
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Oct 07, 2015
And you proved what? That it feels good to insult things you don't get? That you're up to your heels in Tim's butt?
Super.
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Oct 05, 2015
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Oct 05, 2015
Can anyone tell me what's the deal with John Murphy?

And btw, I voted "pompous garbage". Carrie Coon was the reason why I came back. And to see what this show was gonna do with Regina King.
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Oct 05, 2015
Believe the trend now is trying too hard to be nouveau where there's nothing much to show. Yup, it succeeded indeed; right into my deleted trash and out of my mind. One less whatever to watch...phew! Garbage show overload.
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Oct 05, 2015
The point of the WHOLE show is that you don't know wtf is going on. You actually have to watch it to find out, rather than just guess, get bored and start complaining about that the show is too predictable (which a lot of critics and other viewers would be saying if it was predictable) so that in turn draws you in. That's where the brilliance of the show truly excels and it's a shame that a lot of people on this site and others including the critics don't get that.
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Oct 05, 2015
[b]Answer:[/b] Pompous garbage.

And now, I will read the article and watch the show. Or... maybe just read the article. Or... you know, not.
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Oct 05, 2015
Once again, the lack of intelligible bbcode combines forces with an absent Edit button to make me look like a fool. Curse you, TV.com: When will you hire a bona fide five-year-old to design your website to modern standards?
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Oct 05, 2015
Come on, you just need to select the text and type ctrl+b. And if "modern standards" for websites means phpBB, ugh.
With you on the edit button, though.
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Oct 08, 2015
Ohh....kay, you got me there. Curse you for exploiting my secret weakness: the logical application of relevant knowledge.
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Oct 05, 2015
Saw a couple episodes of the first season hoping for a "Left Behind " type series, and so didn't get that. I saw/suffered through tonights premier and I have to say the opening was intriguing, but overall it was the latter of Tim's review title unfortunately.
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Oct 05, 2015
It pretentious trash... not as bad as the Newsroom was, but easily in that tier of just god awful television that only a few will run to defend its absolute self involved antics as sublime and sophisticated art and anyone that doesn't like it just has poor taste.

Can't believe I gave this awful show a second chance.
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Oct 05, 2015
the newsrooms may have been pretentious but is sure as hell had something to say.
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Oct 05, 2015
Look, its like the person below said, I don't need a review that kisses the shows A** every week, I just want honest, thoughtful reviews, this aint it. This sounds like nothing more than a personal vendetta against the show honestly, season 1 was fantastic, and was highly considered one of the best new shows of 2014, of course here it was called a disappointment, news flash; everything this show is, is exactly what its supposed to be, Tim says he is still looking for a purpose in this show, it isn't about any kind of apocalypse or wacky situations, its about dealing with grief, loss, trauma etc. This is a study of the human mind, and apparently Tims mind isn't big enough to grasp that.

We will probably never learn where the departed went, not guaranteed, but I highly doubt it. Don't get youre hopes up. Honestly Tim you're taste in television is questionable. Give this show to someone who will give it credit where credit is due, and Critisizm where it is needed. You guys did the same thing with the first season of penny dreadful.
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Oct 05, 2015
"Honestly Tim you're [sic] taste in television is questionable" -

Are you serious? I'm sorry but some of these comments here are really dumb. Articulate yourself. Engage in a meaningful discussion. Cut the personal attacks, be civil, talk about the subject matter and accept the fact that there is no "questionable taste" or wrong opinion. Act like grown ups FFS if you want people to take you seriously.

You're wide off the mark with your speculations on Tim's thought process. If you're actually interested, listen to the latest podcast where he discusses the show with Cory.
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Oct 07, 2015
There was nothing, NOTHING wrong with Jeremy's comment - it's his fucking opinion, let him write what he likes and stop being so condescending. Didn't see any insults either.
Dumb comments? You know tv.com for so long and are still sensitized to dumbness? Come on...
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Oct 07, 2015
You realize the same could be said about Tim?
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Oct 07, 2015
Yes - and? If someone's way off the mark in terms of insults and personal attacks, fine, someone needs to say something - but attacking anyone raising frustration about the review? I think both sides(haters and lovers) produce comments that are... well... dull? But no reason to forbid them. And giving voice to frustration about the reviews is legit. There were other, more personal attacks here, and of course there is questionable taste(look at haircuts!!!) and opinions... well, almost everything is based on opinions here.
And not mentioning several important parts of the episode makes me doubt Tim's thought process too. He discussed it with Cory? Well, now I gotta check that out. Got a link to the podcast?
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Oct 05, 2015
You: "Give this show to someone who will give it credit where credit is due, and Critisizm where it is needed."

Tim: "But I still watched the whole season because I was drawn to it and its madness, and that's part of The Leftovers' power."

That is one example of Tim giving the show credit where it is due and also hinting at its criticisms; his entire review is peppered with such examples. I happen to love the show way more than Tim does, but there is zero way you can argue that Tim didn't fairly critique and praise what he liked and didn't like because he very specifically did so numerous times.

You also spelled criticism wrong, but I kind of like the s and the z, so do your thing.
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Oct 05, 2015
The only pompous thing here is Tim Surette's 'reviews' for this show - please TV.com - give it to someone else

And no, i don't meant give it to someone who will review it positively every week but the guy had a problem with pretty much every episode of the first season (the only exception that i know of is the Nora-Centric episode 'Guest')
The guy even admitted he disliked the incredible finale - i am sorry but this show is clearly too good for him - give the reviews to someone who actually likes the show and will review it for that reason instead of doing it cause it is their 'job'

He said nothing negative about a show that is as pompous, serious, entitled and self-important as 'Mr. Robot' over the summer, yet constantly hates on a show that actually needs your full attention

Give it up Tim - there are no dragons and White Walkers here, so bug off and let someone else review it
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Oct 05, 2015
I don't watch this show, I tried it the first season and it was just not my thing. I am only commenting on the Tim thing. He's clearly an ass. His reviews for just about everything are the same. Tim seeing things from his narrow perspective.

He is not capable of nuanced thought or at least articulating nuanced thought and I am convinced that TV.com lets him run amok because he is polarizing. That gets clicks.

I am relieved when I find out the shows I am watching are not reviewed by Tim.
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Oct 08, 2015
The anti-Tim movement on TV.com is growing: You raise that pitchfork, I'll raise my torch, and together we'll see to it that viewer goodwill trumps viewer clicks to relegate Tim to writing cute smackdowns of hated shows like Under the Dome---forever.
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Oct 05, 2015
And I'm pretty sure he completely missed the mark about that opening scene. The second cave lady WAS the first cave lady. It wasn't two different women. The idea and recurring theme behind the whole episode was what happens after we die, and do we just go on and cintinue to 'be' or is death it? At least that's how I interpreted it.
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Oct 05, 2015
I won't even pretend to understand the opening, so I'm not going to dump on your interpretation. I disagree with it, because sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...but if you wanted to take it further, you could even say that since there was physically no wailing baby in the arms of the cavewoman as the scene ends, the baby could have been the 1st kid in the world to experience the poofening & what we saw was a trans-dimentional peek behind the curtain of how people go "poof"

OR

Another way to interpret it is that it was 2 different women (because it actually was) & the second woman was part of the group of people that made the fire that the cavewoman saw in the distance and was slowly making her way to as the day wore on...by the time Miss Snakebit snuffed it, she was close enough to the other groups' camp, that the second woman was nearby foraging or something, heard the wailing baby & found it in the arms of a fresh corpse, followed her maternal instincts & took the baby back to her camp to raise as her own.
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Oct 05, 2015
Obviously, it was your second interpretation, Marburg66.

What exactly all of it had to do with the overall story of The Leftovers... who the hell know?

I'm betting even Lindelof doesn't even know!
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Oct 05, 2015
I just looked at the IMDB page for this episode. It looks like Sara Tomko played "The Woman" (as the character of the pregnant cave woman was called) and Brittany Angley played "The Savior." They were definitely not the same woman.

Somehow that scene has to be related to Nora becoming the mother of baby Lilly after her mother died.
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Oct 05, 2015

Aaaaaaalright... let's see:

1st Cavewoman:




2nd Cavewoman:





That's the same lady to you?

Did you just... invented a bogus narrative in your head that you somehow justify the indefensible pretentiousness of this whole scene?

'Cause, if you did... kudos! You obviously put in way more effort into it than Lindelof and Perrotta did.
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Oct 05, 2015
I hate this show, and I hate Tim---he's a pompous, arrogant hack who gleefully shits on shows and he doesn't like and manipulates his readers for his own perverse amusement. There is literally no one in TV.com land who goes "Yay! Tim Surrette is reviewing a show I like!" --- and the sad thing is, he's okay with that.
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Oct 05, 2015
Could you please explain how he "manipulates his readers for his own perverse amusement"?
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Oct 08, 2015
I actually lol'd when I read your quote of Tim's poll---thanks for doing that homework assignment for me!

If you think those three options aren't deliberate audience manipulation for perverse amusement... well, you're what I like to call "wrong". I mean, option "A" is a perfect example of poisoning the well for anyone with a positive opinion of the episode. Can't you see that?
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Oct 08, 2015
I still don't see how that is audience manipulation. Even if it were a biased poll, it wouldn't mean that he's manipulating your opinion?!

Of course I haven't adressed your ridiculous claim. I love his writing style and have personally felt positive about him reviewing shows I watch. I don't care how you twist that to work with your theory but it's just not true. There's enough people that enjoy his reviews. Just observe the comment sections of e.g. his reviews of Mr. Robot, Rectify, The Mirror, The Strain and see how much positive feedback he gets. Not everyone hates him.
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Oct 08, 2015
(and, for the third time, I re-emphasize my nail-on-head claim of accuracy that "no one in TV.com wants Surrette to review a show they like", which is actually quite a strong statement to which I'd have expected opposition by now... were it not flatly true)
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Oct 07, 2015
... more importantly, though, I do think I hit the nail on the head with "literally no one in TV.com land ... goes 'Yay! Tim Surrette is reviewing a show I like!""
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Oct 07, 2015
I'm not especially inclined to accept a homework assignment, but check the phrasing of his polls for, say, the Heroes pilot to see what I mean: A) "OMG this show is the best ever!", B) "This ep was really terrible!", C) "This show is a televised abortion that insults us all!" ... is not a good-faith gauge of audience opinion.
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Oct 07, 2015
None of that is true. The options were:

A) It was outstanding and maybe the greatest thing to ever happen to TV.
B) It was entirely mediocre and just okay.
C) It was a sad thing to witness. So bad.

Please stop making things up. If you make claims, people will ask you to verify them. Just like in real-life. Don't be a dick only cause it's the internet. It's ok if you disagree with him but noone cares about your personal vendetta against him. This site doesn't count dislikes so don't think for a second that you're speaking for the majority here. If you want facts, compare the polls and favorite icons. But don't make assertions based on your gut.
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Oct 05, 2015
You know, an Edit button would have totally taken care of that "and"---but no, Tim denies us even that.
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Oct 05, 2015
PREACH!!!
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Oct 05, 2015
pompous art. this show is amazing
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