The Vampire Diaries "Dead Man on Campus" Review: Fellow Shots (PHOTO RECAP)

The Vampire Diaries S05E08: "Dead Man on Campus"

Sometimes the best pizza is one you have to pick certain ingredients off of. Or if you're a fancy lady, maybe you soak up the pizza grease with a napkin first. What I'm trying to say is, we can't always expect the things we love to be 100% perfect but we can still love them 100%. You know? And maybe there's a reason for that: The labor of taking off all those floppy peppers made me even hungrier for that hot slice. Or with people: Your fondness for gross black licorice makes me feel better about MY weird tastes, so I want you around. Or with TV shows: You sometimes have bad, boring plotlines or insufferable characters or very questionable social subtexts, but as long as I can properly state why those things are bad, I appreciate the exercise and, by extension, you, even more. It's about mental engagement, guys. Things that aren't QUITE perfect require us to be vigilant, to care more, to use our slippery brains to process all of the options. So many things in life, both ostensibly "good" things and "terrible" things, are boring and ask nothing of us. That's why it's important to engage with imperfect things. They keep us sharp! They're instructive! They teach us how things can be improved. "This pizza would be better without these floppy gross peppers. NOW I KNOW."

If you want to forward the above paragraph to the Pulitzer Committee, feel free because it was perfect. But the point of it was, I really and deeply enjoyed MOST THINGS about "Dead Man on Campus." It was one of my favorite episodes of the season! But it wasn't perfect, for at least one very frustrating reason. Still though, a very good hour of television. Let's talk about it!

We started in the laboratory of a certain babyfaced shady blond hunk mad scientist who was putting the finishing touches on his newly minted hunkpire. As you might have guessed, this particular species of vampire was different from the others we'd already met, if only because of how long he'd slept in. Fourteen days straight or something? Where I do sign up to become an Augustine vampire, that sounds great to me.

Like most college-age teens with newly manifested vampirism, Jesse was HONGRY. Also he was super strong and broke out of his silver chains like they were made of yogurt or something.

Poor Dr. Maxfield couldn't reach his anti-vampire button fast enough and Jesse bit him up bad. Full disclosure: Now that Dr. Maxfield seems like he's headed for the grave pretty soon he's suddenly one of my favorite characters? First of all, look at him, duh, but also he's so feisty! Anyway, me liking somebody is the kiss of death so he'll probably be committing suicide soon. (YES WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT LATER.)

Another full disclosure: I like Bonnie now. SORRY IT'S TRUE. Her haircut, her new personality, her new lease on life, her taste in men. All are improvements over past seasons. This is not me saying I've somehow changed my mind about Bonnie. This is actually a matter of the SHOW changing its mind about Bonnie. She seemed so fun and chill and involved in this episode. Very into it. I didn't even mind her dumb new cell phone product placement. Keep sending selfie videos to your weird mom, Bonnie, that's your right! 

Also, check out Bonnie's zany roommates!

Bonnie pretended she had to go register for classes but everybody knew she was just going out to the quad in order to mouth-attack Jeremy. But Caroline took it too far:

Haha yeah but anyway, this episode was very college-centric and I loved it. It just felt so fresh, you know? Just three gals kickin' it in their dorm room talking about boys and beer. No doppelganger drama whatsoever! Again, very into it.

So apparently Jeremy drove up to come have tons of sex with Bonnie, which is their right as teens. But of course now that Bonnie was The Anchor to The Other Side, it meant she could get cockblocked at any moment by ghosts. Like this lady:

It was pretty unsettling! If only because WHAT IS AN OLD PERSON EVEN? They exist on this show? Bonnie was definitely rattled.

Whoops! Looks like there was no getting around this: At any given time a ghost will pop up and grab Bonnie and she'll have to scream bloody murder because it hurts super bad. As far as unforeseen consequences go, this is a pretty cool one. Not cool because of the pain and inconvenience, more that it just feels like the first time death has had importance on this show, and Bonnie being the gatekeeper gives her more importance by association. Plus she and Jeremy are now permanently able to speak to ghosts which incorporates ghosts into the story more. Anyway, I just wanted to say I like this element, that's all. Why are you shouting at me, I'm scared now.

Elena made these flyers to pass out on campus. She and Caroline were throwing a dorm party for Bonnie's arrival which was very cool of them to be honest. I was also pretty jealous because my college had a "dry" campus and there was no drinking allowed in the dorms. I mean, we figured out how to drink in our rooms pretty easily, but partying out in the open in the common areas? NOT allowed. Whitmore seems pretty chill overall. Anyway, this was another run-in with Aaron whose main personality traits so far are that he's sad, has a dreamboat for a legal guardian, and gets compelled by Elena to forget stuff all the time. Very dynamic dude, basically.

Meanwhile at the Salvatore Shanty, Stefan was taking a terrifying stroll down memory lane.

He clawed up the recliner! Which is frankly rude, but in this case all he could think about was drowning, so fair enough. Quick question: Do pharmaceutical companies make Xanax for vampires? Think about it, pharmaceutical companies. Immortal customers are the best customers.

Over at Mystic Grill, Matt couldn't stop watching that footage of himself talking in a Dracula accent to his security cameras.

Meanwhile Katherine was HELLA thirsty and also so, so poor. Haha I can't get enough of how this show has really gone out of its way to remind us that Katherine is a hobo. If we're being real, basically EVERY character's financial situation is questionable, but the writers seem to really love making Katherine into a borderline pan-handler. Which is amazing, obviously. More please! Give me a whole episode of Katherine just trying to make ends meet. Like that one episode of My So-Called Life told from the point of view of Brian. Give me that but with Katherine. Second request: Make this whole show about Katherine because seriously.

Anyway, this was a great episode for Katherine (MOSTLY!) because her main thing was helping Matt figure out his gypsy-passenger situation (which was still happening for some reason). I love the idea that Katherine is such a born-schemer that even when she's bored she can't resist scheming on behalf of others. Katherine is the best.

I did not know that Aaron lived with Jesse. I thought Jesse was an R.A. or something? Maybe I dreamed that up. I don't know. Anyway, Jesse bit Aaron.

I don't mean to sound like a creep (impossible) but this episode contained SO MUCH male-on-male feeding and I did NOT mind. So many ladies have been bitten over the years so it's only fair. The metaphor of vampire biting has almost universally been about sex in basically every vampire text, so yeah. That's all, just wanted to point that out.


Then Caroline busted in just in time to break up this bro-feeding frenzy and it seemed like she wasn't as much mad about the part where Jesse had nearly slaughtered someone, she mostly just seemed annoyed that someone had turned Jesse without her knowledge. Priorities!

I did very much like this beat where Elena and Caroline took Jesse under their vampire wings and tried to cheer him up about being an abomination. This Elena that claimed being a vampire was awesome? WHO WAS SHE? Where was SHE for the first three seasons? I like her.

I also loved when Caroline taught Jesse how to heal injured hunks:

It was seriously so touching! Also Caroline suggested that Elena teach Jesse how to compel and Elena smiled so cutely. I liked this scene a lot. College!

Meanwhile at the Grill, Katherine could sense that Stefan wasn't doing great, mostly because he was sitting alone staring into the middle distance and frowning.

He did NOT want company, especially not from her. First of all, get real dude. It's saying something when he's more upset about drowning over and over than he is about remembering being The Ripper and ending the lives of countless innocents. Maybe don't hold Katherine's past against her? 

Anyway, Katherine offered to help coach Stefan through his PTSD because, as she astutely pointed out, her life had been very hard also! But in exchange she needed help. He all rolled his eyes and grumbled about her needing a pretty simple favor, but as it turned out her "favor" was actually a favor to help Matt. See what I'm saying? Katherine was kind of a major hero in this episode.

Also this was another cute moment: Katherine now openly introduces Nadia as her daughter. Considering the history Katherine had shared with Stefan you'd assume he'd be more bowled over by this revelation, but Stefan was still dealing with some stuff and did NOT care about anyone else. I still prefer this Stefan to Amnesia Stefan because at least his bad attitude here was motivated by something very serious. Like WHAT reason did Amnesia Stefan have to be all mad at everybody? That's why he was frustrating. PTSD Stefan is definitely an improvement, for the record.

This plotline was kind of amazing. While the ladies threw a dorm party, Damon arrived to torture Dr. Maxfield WITH DISEASES in order to get info out of him. I guess there was no time to re-drain his blood of vervain, so it was injections of rabies, flesh-eating bacteria, and ebola instead? By the way I loved that Dr. Maxfield had a vial of ebola in his mini-fridge. Did the Center for Disease Control know about this? Do they also know about vampirism? Just wondering.

Dr. Maxfield was not feeling well from all the injections. And call me a Dr. Maxfield stan but didn't this seem overly sadistic of Damon? Look at this poor hunk! I was already thinking it, but then Caroline actually brought it up to Elena, but Damon sort of isn't the nicest guy sometimes. Charming, yes, and also is he crazy jacked now this season? But still: Damon has always had sort of a dark cloud and this stuff kind of reminded me of that. Leave this poor doctor alone! (He still looked good though sorry YAY DISEASES)

Meanwhile Katherine lured Matt into the back room where Nadia summoned his "passenger" and he admitted that he was still chillin' in Matt because he hadn't gotten the memo that Silas was dead and so he still intended to kill Katherine. Or whatever? Whatever, something like that. So Katherine got out a be-spangled dagger and did this:

Which, I GUESS did not fatally wound Matt. Or maybe that had to do with the immortality ring. But yeah, the gypsy guy inside of him died. Oh, and by the way we learned that these Travelers are basically just witches that possess people. Which was maybe the kind of magic that Klaus used on Alaric that one time? Does that tie together at all? That's what my brain does, guys, it tries to make sense of this crazy world and also The Vampire Diaries.

Anyway Nadia was NOT happy. That was her boyfriend in there! But honestly Katherine raised a good point: Nadia's boyfriend sucked.

Meanwhile Bonnie was trying to enjoy the party and eat all the jell-o shots but the old lady ghost showed up looking all bummed.


This was a minor beat, but again, very good. We learned that this lady was a witch, just in case you didn't remember that The Other Side is for monsters only. But also we confirmed that Bonnie no longer has magical powers! Which is a pretty major revelation in my opinion. Not that her powers were ever particularly major or reliable, but still. That was a huge part of Bonnie's personality before. No wonder Bonnie 2.0 seems more squared away. Now her only job is to function as a conduit (and maybe therapist?) for those crossing between planes. To me that is interesting but we'll see won't we.

Oh, at this point Dr. Maxfield explained a new and important thing about Augustine vampires: THEY DRINK VAMPIRE BLOOD! So then on the dance floor Jesse bit Caroline.

That is VERY cool! I know this is sort of a retread of Mikael drinking Katherine's blood that one time, but I'd been waiting for a proper plotline about vampires-who-feed-on-vampires and it looks like that is where this is going. Yes!

Then there was more of this guy.


Again they bonded over dead parents and whatnot. But Aaron also explained about how Dr. Maxfield was his only family anymore and suddenly Elena realized that her boyfriend who she'd CLAIMED was not overly violent was probably getting overly violent with Aaron's hunkiest family member. 

Then Stefan remembered being so wet and then he crushed a shot glass.


Ouch! Quick question, obviously vampires can heal very easily but do they also carry Wet-Naps around? It's not like blood gets sucked back into their bodies or disappears. How are they cleaning off their newly healed wounds? They must go through so much OxyClean on laundry day.

Out back Stefan was having a bad memory fiesta and Katherine tried to get him to settle down so he choked her and she told him to remember all the people he'd killed and that made him chill out. LOL vampires. 

But just when it looked like Katherine had a momentary glimpse of victory, Nadia ran out to confirm that her boyfriend had died (um, didn't that happen immediately?) and she was now so mad at Katherine and was running away from home and get out of my room mom!!

Poor Katherine. All she'd done was murder some creepy gypsy spirit and now she was getting grief about it.

So anyway, yeah, Elena had to call up Damon and ask him politely to not murder her professor.

He was NOT happy about it, but to his credit he agreed to hold off on the murder for now. Unfortunately then Jesse arrived and he was so thirsty for vampire blood, thirsty in the way that you or I might get thirsty for Cactus Cooler. VERY THIRSTY.

Oh another thing about Augustine vampires is they are super strong, stronger even than regular vampires. Which stands to reason since they need to overpower their prey. Also I hate to kick a species while it's useless, but THIS is how the hybrids should have been! Stronger and faster and meaner, but nope, they were just badly dressed teens patiently waiting to have their hearts ripped out. The hybrids were the cast of DeGrassi basically.

Just when it looked like these two dudes would be upright making out in the hallway ALL DAY, Elena ran up and stabbed Jesse through the heart with a piece of wood she'd found somewhere.

And then he died! Right there in Caroline's arms. Seeing as vampires can intentionally graze each other's hearts all the time, it made sense that Caroline was angry with Elena for straight MURDERING him. 

And it should go without saying that Elena did not seem very sorry about having done it. I mean, she was sorry that Caroline was sad, but she didn't seem to see that she'd kind of overstepped things with this baby vampire. Apparently a direct hit to the heart was the only thing that could have stopped a vampire who had only just barely overpowered Damon. Neck-snapping? NO WAY.

SPEAKING OF NO WAY.

Like, I don't know. I feel like I ranted about suicide A LOT last week and you can just go re-read that because I stand by it. But I made the mistake of using Katherine's character as a silver lining, a point of contrast, in that she would never commit suicide because she's awesome and knows the value of being alive. So while I'm tempted to say "WHOOPS I WAS WRONG ABOUT KATHERINE," I actually think it's better to complain about how this turn of events was just a very bad piece of writing. Katherine's decision to commit suicide here was totally unsupported by the story, unmotivated by her emotional state, cheap, lazy, and terrible. And again, the suicide thing! Just what in the f*ck is going on in the TVD writers' room these days? Are they okay? Why is suicide at the tip of their fingertips when they're writing these episodes? Are things getting bad in there? Does anybody need someone to talk to? I'm here, guys.

Look, suicide is wrong. We all know this. You knew this even while I was ranting about it. I'm not trying to be King Obvious over here. But the reason we need to openly rail against this stuff is because, and no offense, but the TVD fandom is comprised of a lot of younger viewers with, say, dramatic outlooks on life. One glance at various tumblr tags will prove that maybe this demographic should not be pummeled with suicide plotlines in which suicide is treated as a salvation from angst. I think it's generally fine for this show to treat brutal murder like it's NBD because I frankly don't think it's a risk that susceptible viewers will give murder a whirl. But suicide is different. And we definitely don't all need to compare notes about how suicides have touched us personally, but I'm betting it's touched us all? From junior high school up until now I've been touched by it way too often. When people are in deep, dark places their minds make rash decisions, and these sorts of cheap plotlines make suicide seem common and easy and appealing to people who should NOT be thinking that way. I'm honestly very upset that I have to get into this for a SECOND week in a row. And to see my very favorite character, the most vital, dynamic, clever, and headstrong character in Mystic Falls, resort to this very terrible option just makes me so mad at this show. Like, if this show were a person I'd push it into a mud puddle. How does The Vampire Diaries get so much right but then go and do something as buffoonish as this? I generally try not to be a backseat writer but I'm 100% confident there was a more creative way to give us this Stefan-saves-Katherine's-life moment. In this case it not only cheaply contradicted a lot of what makes Katherine wonderful, it perpetuated suicide as a first-resort option during bad times. It's not. Heroes don't consider it. Neither do anti-heroes. Katherine deserved better.

Stefan politely chided Katherine for attempting suicide and reminded her that Katherine Pierce don't go out like no chump. WHICH WAS CORRECT. But that still did not make the preceding incident worth it. I legitimately love seeing Katherine's path toward humanity unfurl, and I also very much love seeing Stefan and Katherine bond and reconcile, but this was not the way to do it. Sorry, I truly hope I won't have to rant about suicide again in the near future. 

So, um. In other news:

Bonnie and Jeremy finally got to shirtless hug! I think they were in a hotel room? Was this room explained? I can't remember, my brain went away two screengrabs earlier.

Anyway, as we all know, ghosts are the ultimate cockblockers.

I have felt bad for Bonnie in previous incidents but never as bad as during this scene. Ugh, Jesse, couldn't you wait in the hallway?

Well, at least Bonnie bounces back from unspeakable torment LIKE A CHAMP. But then again, who wouldn't?

Meanwhile, this episode was NOT finished titillating our faces off:

At this point Damon realized that Dr. Maxfield had been experimenting on AUGUSTINE vampires, which Damon had heard of before, because HE'D BEEN ONE. Whoa, right?

Then Dr. Maxfield scrambled across the lab and hit the anti-vampire button and so much vervain steam went up Damon's nose.

And that's when Damon woke up in a dang DUNGEON!

And not only that, but he started having subliminal flashbacks to a truly unpleasant-looking vacation he'd once had:

And in the final shot we realized that this had been his same dungeon chamber 60 years prior when he was an Augustine vampire lab rat. Uh oh, that could be the first ever flashback episode I'LL ENJOY. Holy moly.

Guys I am so excited about where this plotline is headed. The post-Silas world is a truly glorious place now. I didn't know how much I craved a fun and scary Big Bad plotline until this one got underway. New vampires! Retro sci-fi themed mythology! Jell-o shots! Season 5 just might end up headed in the right direction yet. You know, if the characters don't all commit suicide or anything. Lord.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING OKAY?

Bye.


QUESTIONS

... Now that Matt is passenger-free, will Nadia want to take a ride herself?

... Is Bonnie 2.0 a major upgrade or still buggy and crash-prone? (computers)

... Should Katherine and Stefan become besties again?

... Are Jeremy's shirts the real Big Bad?

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Mar 01, 2015
You. Are. Amazing.
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Dec 29, 2014
"....they were just badly dressed teens patiently waiting to have their hearts ripped out. The hybrids were the cast of DeGrassi basically." This is the most amazing thing ever written. I literally laughed out loud for a minute straight. HAHHAHAHHAH still laughing
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Dec 05, 2013
Matt is looking cuter this year, too. I hope Nadia comes back.

I miss witchy bonnie.. the looks that she used to give when she gave the witchy vamp migraine was hilarious. The screaming ghost bonnie is funny, too.

Mannn, who told Jeremy to grow up? He's all Supermanned up. LOL.. He looked good at the Pageant thingy where he tried to kill Elena though.. *sighs*

I think Stefan and Katherine SHOULD get together. I think Stefan needs some spice in his life.
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Dec 05, 2013

how could you miss this? :D LOL
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Dec 05, 2013
I LOL'd so hard when I saw that!
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Dec 04, 2013
"You sometimes have bad, boring plotlines or insufferable characters or very questionable social subtexts, but as long as I can properly state why those things are bad, I appreciate the exercise and, by extension, you, even more."

I don't know if an email from random internet poster will have much of an effect on the Pulitzer people. I do however think that paragraph should be made mandatory reading for your fellow critics because THAT RIGHT THERE is a lesson that needs learnin'.
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Dec 01, 2013
I liked Bonnys new hair, but you didn't ackknowledge that she got the first buzzkill of the episode, which is soo Bonny. She is gonna be annoying and wanting to die in no time. Because that is who she is. Everyone saves her, because she does not want to die and after succeding, she does.
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Dec 01, 2013
I found the constant damon bashing by caroline to be annoying and over-the-top at this point. has damon really been that much worst than any of the other characters since s1? if anything, his character is always at the ready to follow the orders of the gang. what more could damon do at this point for the good of others and the group to make caroline back off even slightly? or for that matter, what more questionable and terrible things could stefan do to make caroline realize he isn't just the perfect, obvious choice either? we get it TVD, you don't want us to stop thinking of damon, elena and stefan as a vital love triangle but tone it down some please.
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Dec 01, 2013
aw man. LOL. L. O. L. DUUUUUUUDE. I swore last review I would never read your reviews again because of your stupid suicide rant. (I still don't get how it is bad for someone who is IMMORTAL to kill themself. Srsly. Anyway.) But the irony of Katherine attempting suicide in the next episode was just too funny of a coincidence. I had to see your reaction. Of course you blame the writing. I mean, I too felt that the attempt was kind of awkwardly placed in terms of storytelling, but do I think Katherine is above attempting suicide? No. You are looking at a person who has had a young body and face for 500 years. To suddenly be human AND super aging would totally depress her enough to commit suicide. Not to mention she was really drunk and alcohol makes people do stupid things. Actually, you know what, it's not the attempt that felt shoehorned so much as the letter. Katherine Pierce is not a writer nor mushy nor sappy nor self reflective. Diary Note writing is for Stefan and Elena. If she really wanted to commit suicide, she'd say her goodbyes in person and then do it. Also, how careless of Katherine to leave the letter to her daughter in some random place for strangers and vampire heroes to find. OOOOO I just got a great idea as to how the whole situation could have gone better. How about, while Katherine is being ambivalent about jumping, she slips, and then the desire to live kicks in and she tries to grab for something, but falls anyway, and then Stefan saves her. Then they have a heart to heart about what she was doing up there. Yeah, I'm just gonna pretend that's what happened.
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Dec 01, 2013
Your solution at the end makes sense, but that's just an excuse for a possible situation that this happened. I'm not going to argue preference, suicide is a touchy subject and social stigma aside the arguments that Katherine is a fighter for something that is possible makes it total in her character to give up if there is no chance to fight, I mean I don't get it, did people actually thought she had the much of a hard time during her run from Klaus? It's all in perspective. It was a hard life sure, she must have been on constant alert for people to be in league with Klaus but at the same time she must have learned quickly to know what to do, stay low etc.. so it was always possible and she was hunted, that gives you a reason to run. If you number 1 enemy is time and you've already lived long enough? I don't know but suicide doesn't seem that far off even if it wasn't exactly the best storytelling.

I actually didn't react to the letter, it was just a damn fan service but I agree, that didn't coincide with her. She would likely do like Damon, apologize or say something genuine to the last person she met and then just go do it.
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Dec 20, 2013
You make a good point. Storytelling aside, it's " in [Katherine's] character to give up if there is no chance to fight" <-- mega yes. I mean isn't it established that her character runs away from conflict? Suicide is another form of running away. Also, there is no way the time she spent running from Klaus was that bad. And I doubt Klaus spent all his time hunting her. I'm sure he was enjoying his life as much as Katherine was. I think the show just kept bringing that up to make sense of Tyler's absence and for us to be like "boo hoo poor Katherine".
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Dec 21, 2013
Regarding Katherine's life I suppose it depends on how you look at it. After the first century she must have got a lot of experience but I recall she saying thanks to Emily they had daylight rings, implying the 380 years or so between her family was killed and she meeting Stefan and Damon in the 1800s she didn't have one, I likely think that must have been very annoying.

She also realized even if she was taking care of herself she wouldn't be able to meet people due to what she was and any supernatural creature she met could be a potential spy to Klaus, it just made more sense for her to not care and run.
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Nov 30, 2013

Eff Jesse

Him getting staked was no different as when Stefan staked Vicky

well except that Jesse was far more dangerous than Vicky and well they only knew him for a few days

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Nov 30, 2013
St. Augustine vampire story line is a load of crap. Damon deserves better, he should just whisk Elena away and go to Italy where she can study abroad, drink amazing wine, and be somewhere romantic and awesome with her boyfriend, instead of Whitmore in nowheres-ville.
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Nov 29, 2013
How cool...vampire feeding on vampire, but more interesting i wanna see this augustine vampire??..I mean, who is this guy, is he more powerful than Klaus for eg..he is a scientific experiment What??..and also a dark past of Damon is also there..TVD is getting interesting
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Nov 27, 2013
It Jesse hadn't been killed in this episode, I'd bet my life savings that he would have been killed in one of the next couple episodes. I love Caroline as much as anyone, but it seems unfair of her to blame Elena for saving Damon. Just my two cents.
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Nov 27, 2013
From what I gather in comments (and I'm trying to remain impartial)
Elena used to be all:

And everybody was all:


And now Elena is all:

And everybody is all:
So here is my question - How can they change Elena but keep her the same original (season 1) Elena when people seem to profoundly dislike that version of her? I am curious as to what people want her to do that will make her likeable (try no to touch the stelena/delena ship stuff because that is TOXIC to an unbiased answer).
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Nov 28, 2013
Hahahah that is so true!

I have also come to this realisation! I was also one of the people hating on the old Elena b/c she was so whiny (and thinking with a potatobrain, honestly sometimes her logic was really flawed) but now I've caught myself sort of missing her. I mean I think that Elena's change in personality has been good as a charachter development in general, but maybe it is not a change fit for her, the protagonist of the show. IMO, the protagonist needs somewhat reasonable morals for me to be able to connect with her. Now, it doesn't really matter to her if someone dies as long as she sees a good reason for it (Jessie, Kol). The old Elena would hesitate a lot more before commiting and justifying murder and other morally questionable things. This new way of seeing things is much more like Damons. And I'm not saying that I dislike it in Damon, b/c it fits his character. He has never really had any regard for human life (or at least not in a long time) and he has none today.

So by this rant I sort of want to get to the point that Elena can keep being badass and loving being a vampire, but she has to regain some of her previous morals so that the audience can connect with her, b/c that is an important part of the protagonist in a good show (IMO).
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Dec 05, 2013
That is interesting. I tend to think that even Vamp Elena would think twice about killing an Original and all of the vamps that would die as a result. I like to think that that was Sired Elena that only cared about Damon... I don't think that our current Elena is that far gone... I'm surprised that she was going to let Damon kill Katherine, though... but then again, Kat was going to kill her and she killed Jeremy... *shrugs* The line gets grayer and grayer.
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Nov 30, 2013
I liked her best when her humanity was off, so was like the new Katherine, but just not as cunning and awesome... but that was probably the closest she got to being a diverse character.
I'd watch a spin off of her and Damon -with her humanity off and where they try to keep each other in check... most of the time- any day.
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Nov 25, 2013
Poor Jesse, I liked him..
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Nov 26, 2013
Me too! :(
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Nov 25, 2013
UGH! This show...I really think the writers are burnt out because they're not even TRYING to be original anymore. Augustine is clearly a Buffy S4/Blade 2 mashup. Vampires feeding on humans was MUCH more interesting the first time around when Mikael TRAINED his body to do it, no science required. TVD AND TO, stop retconning and blatantly ripping off other shows/movies dammit! TO has enough potential to stand on its own and TVD can be fixed so do us a favor and put in the effort.

Also, so Damon was a test subject and he just remembered that because of a blood bag? How convenient...if he was going to remember on his own, he would have done it by now. The gang has been making research pit stops at Whitmore since S2! If not, then just HEARING about the creepy scientist should have been enough. Would have been much more believable to say Damon doesn't remember at ALL and have his past slowly revealed to him. How about the experience was so traumatic that he blocked it out? Or the scientist did something to him. I at least hope that this traumatic experience ties back to Stefan's PTSD. Their relationship is so much better than Stelena OR Delena and this can help with the reconciliation.

Totally laughed at Elena trying to help anyone with vampirism. Too soon LOL

Bonnie not investigating Jesse's death was a little weird no? I know you wanna get laid girl, but call your friends! Also, can't wait for that to happen in class. Bonnie having to be anchor during an exam? LOL

I love Caroline, but she is better than this mouthpiece they've turned her into. Yes, she hates Damon, we get it. Let her fight and argue with him like she did in S3 because her harping to Elena is not only old, but gives Elena far too much attention. Give our girl something to do! More Katholine!
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Nov 29, 2013
I also liked the idea that Mikael did it because he trained himself. Mixing science and magic doesn't really fit into this show to be honest, not the way augustine is trying anyway.

Hopefully it won't be much of an issue as new characters die all the time anyway (it's getting ridiculous, they need new people to stay on the show for more than 5 episodes).
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Nov 30, 2013
Yeah, like that ever happened to that one girl that no one liked. April? That just sort of sizzled out, guess they're not going to resolve that, nor any of Bonnie's ex-boyfriends, they just all disappeared too... lame.
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Nov 25, 2013
I have to say, Caroline has never been my favorite character. I know that Price adores her, but I've always found her to be kind of annoying since her main character traits are her nagging and whining, which are definitely not my favorite qualities. That being said, I don't hate Caroline, I just don't put her on some pedestal like Price seems to.

After reading through a bunch of comments on this post about Caroline reacting to Damon and Elena, I felt like I had to put forward my two cents. I agree that Caroline has every reason to hate Damon and not to forgive him like the other characters seem to. I like that Caroline doesn't forgive people like Damon or even Klaus for their misdeeds when other people do. However, I just can't really respect her judgement when she was so quick to forgive Stefan. I am currently rewatching the third season, and just got past the point where Stefan becomes almost unforgivable in my mind, which is when he threatens to drive Elena over Wickery Bridge. The next episode, he half apologizes for this after hearing that Damon and Elena kissed, which Elena doesn't really accept (the apology). Stefan continues to be a dick and still insists that even though he loves Elena, it's no longer his problem to protect her, it's now Damon's. He continues to put her life in danger and she seems totally fed up with him. Literally two episodes after his half apology, Caroline is back to pushing together Elena and Stefan at the Mikaelson ball. Elena is nowhere near to forgiving Stefan for what he's done, he hasn't done anything to atone for his misdeeds whatsoever, but Caroline is blindly loyal to him because she finds the idea of Elena and Damon so abhorrent. I understand her hatred for Damon, but at this point her pushing together Stefan and Elena just makes her look like a bad friend. Stefan has recently threatened, turned a blind eye to the attempted murder of Jeremy, and basically gone through his murder sprees. Damon at this point has been there for Elena, helped all of her friends, and is really turning around, something Caroline turns a blind eye to. While Caroline rooting for Stefan in the fourth season when he's back to his hero status is less annoying (it's still annoying), it doesn't make any sense to me during season 3. So if I were Elena, I'd just keep on ignoring Caroline because she clearly has no good sense of judgement when it comes to the Salvatores!
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Nov 25, 2013
It really never made sense to me that how could Elena forgive Damon for way back in season 2 when Damon killed Jeremy. Now that was unforgivable. So you know forgiving is really not the issue here. She thought it was kind of creepy when she found out Elena slept with Damon in the Salvatore house the day after she broke up with Stefan. Any living being would judge that. She never liked Damon with Elena considering for her Elena changed a lot. Elena has good sense of judgement about the Salvatores? Really? She is not pushing Elena towards Stefan. From where did you get that at this point? Elena was all over Stefan at Mikaelson ball and later. Caroline asked Elena in 20s or something party to ask Stefan out and guess what? Elena did forget everything Stefan did to her by then. Caroline dislikes Damon. Hate is a strong word.
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Nov 25, 2013
Caroline is too strong on the Stelena front. I love her, but it's annoying that she talks about it a lot, especially in Season 4. (Don't remember her doing that in Season 3). I'm glad it's more anti-Damon then it is, Pro-Stefan now though. That makes much more sense from both POV's. I know Stefan's her friend too, but she shouldn't WANT Stefan to be with Elena for Stefan's sake. As mentioned, Elena slept with Damon the same day they broke up and they kissed one or two times when she was dating Stefan or on a break, but still pining from Stefan. You shouldn't want your friend to date someone who would play with siblings like that.
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Nov 25, 2013
Yes you are right. If I see it from both POV I would prefer Caroline not pining for Stelena. I really have a blurry memory of season 4. I watched all the episodes but mostly it was confusing. I know Caroline wants old Elena back but at this point I would rather see Stefan end up with Klaus than Elena. Speaking of which I miss Klaus and Stefan. I have a feeling that we will see Caroline and Stefan together. Just for fun I would like to see Elena's expression to that. The sad part is Katherine is going to die according to the writers.
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Nov 25, 2013
It was always, epic love this epic love that in Season 4. I think it was mostly because she was in denial about her own feelings for Klaus because Stefan was the good choice the same way that Tyler was (emphasis on the WAS! lol), but still. I don't want Steroline because male and females CAN be friends so I prefer BFF Steroline, but to each their own. I miss Klaus too.
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Nov 25, 2013
Am I the only one who thinks it's weird / bad friendshipness for Bonnie to have a shirtless hug with Jeremy right after discovering that her BFF's new BF is dead? She didn't think that it warranted a phone call at least to Caroline to see if she was ok - or to find out how their newest friend was crossing over to the other side?
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Nov 25, 2013
I'm a firm believer that the MF gang are the worst BFF's I've ever seen lol. I would NOT feel safe with these guys watching my back. Half they time they don't even bother, the other times, they completely fail at it.
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Nov 25, 2013
They didn't even know about Stefan drowning for months :') friends/family-fail.
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Nov 25, 2013
Seriously. Instead of Elena being like "Hey, I have a bad feeling, I think Stefan's in trouble." It was, "So I keep having these dreams about Stefan" and then she didn't understand why Caroline and Damon were annoyed by this. Hmm...
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Nov 25, 2013
How come Jeremy can't see the ghosts that Bonnie can see??? It seems like they could at least handle this burden together instead of Jeremy being bewildered staring into the empty space that Bonnie is having conversations with.

I really hope Aaron isn't the new April! Pls give him something to do besides deliver lines that seem like they will be important later but never are!

I thought Matt's traveler plot line would give him some new exciting stuff to do once the Silas storyline burned out, but immediately Zach R's excuse to use a weird accent and be a badass is stabbed out of him. I hope the traveler isn't really dead or Matt has SOME reason to be involved, because, MORE MATT.

So if Megan was murdered by an Augustine Vamp, it means Megan was a vamp, RIGHT??? And she had vervain water in order to build up her tolerance? And she knew Elena's dad because of his connection with the vamp world??

I am under the impression that Damon didn't have memories of being an Augustine experiment and all of a sudden his memories are triggered. Is that what you guys thought was going on too? This seems like kind of a cheap way to introduce a storyline but I'll give it a chance. And perhaps Damon being the missing person everyone needs to band together to rescue will make Caroline realize that he is a valuable member of their group and that he makes Elena live life a little better?
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Nov 25, 2013
I was wondering why Jeremy couldn't see them too, but maybe because they haven't actually crossed over yet? Once Jesse touched her, I feel like he should have been visible to Jeremy. Although, Jeremy only seems to see the people that he thinks about so maybe not.

And I've missed Matt too. The whole Traveler's thing is clearly weak, especially since they were supposedly so into Amara and Silas, but were hardly involved when it mattered. I hope too hope this goes somewhere, with Matt included of course.

Damon remembering because he saw a blood bag with a number on it is weak. He drinks blood bags all the time and they've been visiting Whitmore since Season 2. I don't get good vibes from this storyline...
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Nov 25, 2013
Oh yeah, Jeremy has to have a "connection" to a person, like how he had to know something intimate about Rose before she appeared to him. Hmm. I hope that Jer and Bon can do some cool ghost-with-unfinished-business appeasement story lines together though. I would really like to have a reason to see Alaric back too :)
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Nov 25, 2013
Ooh, that could be interesting. It would definitely give them something to do. They could run around playing Ghost Whisperer and we could meet new people.
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Nov 25, 2013
and Vampire Diaries continues it's trend of killing off any black character introduced on this show but Bonnie, well technically she died to but she came back; this is fucked up
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Nov 24, 2013
Finally all this confusing plot about Silas/Amara doppelgängers is finished (well let's hope!), now we can have new and fresh stories about mysteries on College campus and experiments on vampires. Wait, I think I've already seen this before...
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Nov 25, 2013
Yeah one of the writers has seen Buffy season 4
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Nov 25, 2013
And Blade 2! Vamps that are genetically engineered to drink blood and be stronger is Blade 2. Mikael was one thing, but this? Boo, stop ripping off every other piece of vampire fiction TVD.
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Nov 24, 2013
Finally, a Vampire Diaries episode worth watching! I could rant about how it's been sucky for the past couple of years, and just inconsistent in general but why bother because I loved this episode more than I love Jeremy's ever-changing physique. Thank you writers for being in the present for once!
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Nov 24, 2013
Sorry Price, but I completely disagree with you here about your rant about suicide. I didn't read your review from last week so I'll just reply to your comments here. Sorry to burst your bubble, but suicides are a REALITY. Just like school shootings and child rapists. T.V. shows should not be castrated every time the writers present a story beat that is too close to home or too real. It goes without saying that this is a FICTIONAL show and establishing real or relatable circumstances should only help a show.

And for the record, I also disagree that suicide is something that makes no sense for Katherine. This season for Katherine has been about completely breaking down and humanizing her character. This episode was the last straw for her character because yes she was dying before this episode, but the biggest positive for her character this season has been that she found a way to reunite he her child. This was taken away from her this episode and she literally had nothing left. THIS is what suicide stems from (same with Tessa) and Katherine made an emotional decision and while people can get all offended about the fact that Tessa took her life, but Katherine didn't, however, because Stefan stopped her. There's a lesson that Vampire Diaries is trying to say here without the after school special type execution that other shows take. Tessa thought she had nothing to live for with no friends or family and she tried to commit suicide and succeeded; Katherine thought she had nothing to live for and thought she had no friends or family and she tried to commit suicide and failed because she had someone who cared enough to see the signs and to stop her.
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Nov 24, 2013
Yup, Katherine has hit rock bottom and there is nowhere to go but up now. I love that Stefan saved her, hoping that they hook up. They paint her to be all bad but she is no worse than any of the other 3 main characters!
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Nov 24, 2013
Wanna know why suicide is bad? Because it's murder. But at least it's murdering yourself instead of murdering someone else. Wanna know why suicide is a moot point on this show? Because the characters murder everyone else!!
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Nov 24, 2013
It seems to me the writers don't quite know what to do with Stefan when Elena's not in the picture...
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Nov 24, 2013
This was the first episode of the least couple of seasons that I truly enjoyed. A new vampire species made by humans to wipe out the regular vampires is a brilliant sci-fi plot, necessary to give fresh air to this show. The episode had really good moments, Jesse learning how to heal, getting killed by Elena, Damon torturing the Professor, new Bonnie, Stefan having a meta traumatic stress, the college stuff... Everything was refreshing and interesting. If the show doesn't disappoint with the new plot, the 5th season might turn out to be a good one, should Silas and his lame storyline are stayed buried.
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Nov 25, 2013
A new vampire species made by humans to wipe out the regular vampires is a brilliant sci-fi plot,

Meh, this sounds like Blade 2 to me.
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Nov 26, 2013
Not at all. At Blade 2, the new vampires weren't made by humans plus that the creation of the first new vampire was accidental.
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Nov 26, 2013
I'm aware that it was an accident on the vampires part, but they were still genetically engineered. Plus we already saw Mikael surviving off vampire blood.
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Nov 24, 2013
... Now that Matt is passenger-free, will Nadia want to take a ride herself?
I think she will...but how knows.
... Is Bonnie 2.0 a major upgrade or still buggy and crash-prone?
New bonnie is much better than old bonnie but still not amazing bonnie
... Should Katherine and Stefan become besties again?
I hope the become more than besties! I'm totally shipping those two!
... Are Jeremy's shirts the real Big Bad?
Tooootally
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Nov 24, 2013
Alright i must say that even though i don't get really excited about this season, i really loved this episode. And i must say i like or dislike pretty much the same scene as you pointed out. Dr should no die yet, and im sure there is a great story potentials behind that character. Secondly and most important what the heck? Seriously Kathrine would never commit suicide, especially for those reasons and and leaving suicide node, come on as Stephan said "You are Kathrine Pierce, deal with it". Elena is kinda bitchy, ok i like her more where is that -give him a chance or something. BONNIE i love the new haircut and embrace life but every living supernatural thing has to pass through her? How that goes.

I must say shirts off for Jeremy... They are bad, ah and he is getting hotter and more attractive every time we get to see him shirtless.
Ahmmmm, yeah def Stephan and Kathrine should get back together!
And one last thing. Damon scenes with Dr. i really enjoyed them, im really excited where the plot is must going with Augastine Vamps, but poor Baby why end up back to the same freaking dungeon?
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Nov 24, 2013
I wish they had kept Tessa around. The show needs a witch.
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Nov 24, 2013
... Now that Matt is passenger-free, will Nadia want to take a ride herself?
I don't think so, because I think your original body has to die before you become a passenger and I don't think Nadia is up for that (but i might be wrong)
... Is Bonnie 2.0 a major upgrade or still buggy and crash-prone?
I prefer this Bonnie to the old one but I still really don't like her, so still buggy and crash-prone.
... Should Katherine and Stefan become besties again?
Not this Stefan, but Katherine and ripper-Stefan definitely!
... Are Jeremy's shirts the real Big Bad?
hahaha yes!
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Nov 24, 2013
I find this show entertaining and i usually don't miss it, but i feel the show is just aimlessly walking around now. I mean, i don't feel like stop watching yet or anything but there is this frustration feeling growing inside every time they hit the reset button. The show is going nowhere, they just introduce something new right when last introduced thing is about to die. And they kill off every new character they introduce. I mean, i am not angry that bonnie is alive, but i saw that as a major step forward, for a show that uses the same actors for EVERYTHING. It's bothering me a bit and i had to vent that is all.
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Nov 25, 2013
Agreed. That fact that Damon suddenly remembers being experimented just because he looked at a bloodbag while at Whitmore? Um they've been visiting and doing research at Whitmore since Season 2? Give me a break! His memory should have been jogged a LONG time ago, it not then, at least when Caroline and Katherine stumbled upon the doctor. Now, the fact that Elena and Caroline go to Whitmore is stupid, not because they didn't out of dodge after the crazyness they experienced, but because there's no way Damon would allow Elena to attend that school with his history.
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Nov 24, 2013
-Caroline is going to have to shut up about Damon when she gets with Klaus. (PLEASE!!!) Surely she won't be that hypocritical.
-Stephan saved Katherine! I so want them together!!!
-At the end Damon woke up in my worst nightmare!!! Even worse, it seems he has been there before! My poor baby!
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Nov 25, 2013
I'm a firm believer that half of her hate for Delena stems from her denial. The closer she got to Klaus in season 3, the more she started pushing Stelena. Notice now that it's not really about Stelena vs Delena now, but just that she hates Damon. I think she'll get over that( not completely), but she'll accept it.

- I don't like Damon's plot right now. I hope they explain it better because right now it just feels like he conveniently remembered. Never mind the fact that they've been visiting Whitmore since Season 2.
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Nov 26, 2013
As far as Damon's plot, I think the group that grabbed him was not always based in Whitmore. He seemed surprised that they even existed at all anymore. I believe the memory flashes were for us. My current theory is that whatever happened to him before while captured is what led him to flip his humanity switch in the 50s. Last season Lexi asked him what happened to make him flip it and he gave her some patented Damon joke answer.
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Nov 26, 2013
I hope so. That makes sense, but I think alarm bell should have been ringing for him the moment he even heard about the doctor and Jesse. I'm sure we'll get more soon though, I just hopes it makes sense because they haven't been doing too well with the continuity lately.
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Nov 24, 2013
Elena's character is hilarious. One moment she is assuring Caroline that Damon will not kill Dr. Wes. Probably she was assuring herself because the moment she found out Wes was legal guardian of Aaron, she ran telling Caroline she wants to stop Damon from killing Wes. The phone call to Damon was even funnier. "Please promise me".
After everything that went in the first 8 episodes, I am actually enjoying Delena. It is so forced and bad that you can see right through the acting and have some laugh.
Elena's character went from high school to Junior high. Price cannot even recognize her. I admit that I was a Stelena fan but I am glad that this pretentious Elena is not with Stefan.
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Nov 25, 2013
Same, but I prefer pre Delena Damon. Can she just not be with either brother? Let's just say the whole thing is toxic and they should all see other people.

I laughed so hard when Elena was giving Jessie pointers, like vampirism was so easy. I literally said "shut the fuck up, Elena, all you did is cry and whine about it for weeks."
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Nov 25, 2013
Elena became one of those girls who simply cannot stay single. May be a vampire side effect for her. I am hoping Stefan would change the course since Damon could not do it. Elena seems to be flirting with Aaron. May be he reminds her of old self but erasing his memory every time is not doing Elena any favor. The writers never gave Damon an opportunity to see other people. Nobody took Andie seriously. It was like Damon never tried. The whole season 4 passed, Jeremy died, Bonnie died, Kol died(gave a lot of warning about SIlas) effectively killing thousands of vampires so that Elena could find the cure. Now all of a sudden vampires are"Awesome". She is like another doppleganger of Elena.
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Nov 25, 2013
Yeah, Elena flirting with Aaron is weird to me, especially with Damon on the phone. I'm glad he was uncomfortable because he should have been. This girl just can't get it together.
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Nov 24, 2013
So many things happened this episode...it is almost too much..
Loved the whole Damon and Dr. maxfield scenes...for a change i was YEAH go Damon...give him more shots...! Do it!!!
Loved the whole Matt part with his traveller...who is now finally gone..
Poor Caroline, lost another hubby...she is a magnet for dying or running away boyfriends...poor thing...'
Jesse ubervamp...want to suck other vamps...that can't be good.
Elene killing Jesse...to save her hubby...now because of her her hubby is trapped and wil be expereminted with...
The whole Stefan drowning thing...don't know is a bit boring....Katherine helping him out and then he saving her again....
pfff.....
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Nov 24, 2013
i have this feeling that Caroline will beaugustine vampire & that's why Klaus will return to MF to save her & she bites him lol
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Dec 01, 2013
Yes please!
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Nov 25, 2013
Ooh, that would be interesting. Maybe his blood would heal that?
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Nov 24, 2013
Bonnie: "Hey mom! I'm back from vacation! I had a crazy good time and now I'm in college! Look at this dorm room! BTW I head dad's dead! BUMMER! I was totally gonna go to the funeral but I got like crazy busy. Anyway look at this fireplace!!"

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Nov 25, 2013
I love that Bonnie, who we use to always see using face time, disappeared for months on end, and then came back and automatically started doing face time and selfies again. Why did she think people would believe this, "I'm traveling nonsense?"
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Nov 24, 2013
I love that the whole "Vampire Show Goes to College, College staff experiments on vampires" thing is a trope now. Problem is, wasn't that like universally excepted as everyone's least favorite Buffy season? I can't believe how dangerously similar this plotline is that one. At least it gives Damon one more thing to have in common with Spike. My favorite thing they have in common is that they were both punks in the 70's!
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Nov 25, 2013
Yeah, but now it's Buffy with a side of Blade 2. Ugh!!!! Do not want! I wish the doctor was just a creepy, twisted scientist who was experimenting and dissecting vampires for his own gain. I don't need a whole facility with a secret society or government backing.
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Nov 24, 2013
One other thing if Amarrah was locked away all that time how were supernaturals even getting to the other side?? Shouldn't there have been a long ass line of ghosts wait for Bonnie like its about damn time....don't analyze it jus enjoy the mindless entertainment.
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Nov 25, 2013
I think people were still using her as an anchor, that's why she went so crazy. She was stone, but she was aware of her surroundings just like Silas.
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Nov 24, 2013
TVD's series priority continues to drop on my dvr but I watch a lot of tv so I'll still watch.

Katherine is my favorite on the show right now but the whole episode she was trying to kill herself not just the Doc Brown moment, I swear I wanted 1.21 jiggawatts to knock some sense into her. Her drinking is outta control, ur not immortal anymore and u can't knock em back like u use to slow down. But I live for the Kat moments on this show!

Steph=zzzz
Elena = cares about everybody but her man now that she got him. Annoying
Jeremy= adds nothing to the shows a Calvin Klein ad couldn't solve during commercial.
Bonnie= token, I think if one more African American dies Jesse Jackson and the NAACP will come for Ms.Plec
Caroline= once a fave now lacks depth and appears weak without a man. Can't catch a break n it's old
Damon= essential!!! If I had something unconscionable to do and one phone call to make this is undoubtably the guy to call(unless Klaus is in town)
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Nov 25, 2013
Jeremy= adds nothing to the shows a Calvin Klein ad couldn't solve during commercial.

Jeremy-feels so boring and useless now.
Bonnie-not being a witch is kind of interesting, but I hope we won't have to hear her whine about not having powers because again that's HER fault.
Caroline - I hate that too. Why can't Caroline be like fuck men, and be proud to be single? That is a thing writers! If she can't be with Klaus, at least continue showing Caroline as the strong independent person she actually is. I thought Caroline was going to have more to do with Katherine after she realized that Nadia was her daughter. I hope they go back to that. Our girl needs something to do because this is depressing.
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Nov 24, 2013
This is going to be blasted, I am sure, but I know I'm not the only one that feels this way.

To be perfectly honest, I don't care what Damon did to Caroline in the past. Not one little tiny bit. Not anymore. I'm done with Caroline. I sympathized with her for awhile. I understood her feelings. I really did. I've seen the episodes. Multiple times. So I don't need to be reminded regarding what occurred. Even though I love Damon, I understood where Caroline was coming from. When others started seeing the good in Damon, I understood why Caroline didn't. But she has went too far, in my opinion.

I would understand her stance more if she didn't give others, including herself, a free pass to do horrible things. She killed 12 witches. She had a part in killing Tyler's friend to help grow Jeremy's mark. She acts like Stefan has never killed anyone or done anything questionable. She harshly judges Damon over and over again, despite any good he does, and overlooks the bad deeds of others. And Damon just had a big part in bringing Bonnie back! Not to mention all the other times he has helped all of them!

And the "but he has no remorse! No remorse I tell ya! for the bad things he has done" argument has no bearing with me. I don't even read through posts that drag out that argument anymore. All that argument tells me is that you don't understand Damon's characterization and you are not seeing him as the complex, multifaceted character that he is.

With all that being said, I liked this episode as a whole. Katherine was awesome, as usual.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually liked Bonnie in this episode. I hope this Bonnie sticks around.

Shirtless Jeremy. Yum.

I'm with Price regarding Elena saying vampires are awesome: let's keep this Elena!

Damon getting tortured in the next episode? Must be Thursday. I am very excited about this plot line though...there are many possibilities going through my mind concerning where the show could be going with this Augustine vampire thing...
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Nov 25, 2013
You realize half of his "good deeds" are just to stay on Elena's good side right?
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Nov 24, 2013
"And the "but he has no remorse! No remorse I tell ya! for the bad things he has done" argument has no bearing with me. I don't even read through posts that drag out that argument anymore. All that argument tells me is that you don't understand Damon's characterization and you are not seeing him as the complex, multifaceted character that he is."

lol thanks for making me laugh. ^

your comment is hilarious
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Nov 24, 2013
I don't mind that you not supporting Caroline's dislike for Damon even though she mentioned it only in three episode, that also to Elena.
But you, undermining other people's intelligence in understanding Damon's characterization, that is over the top. You see him complex, multifaceted that is great. But when you watch a TV show like TVD, you have no evidence to prove who is right or who is wrong. I do not see Damon that way. I see him as the guy who kept on hitting on his brother's girlfriend until he got her. But you cannot actually say that you are absolutely right or I am absolutely wrong in analyzing Damon. You see how you want to see.
Caroline dislikes Elena with Damon. It is personal to her. Everyone do not have to preach Delena, so she speaks her mind. Elena changed for better or worse, I don't know. But apparently Caroline does not like her change and she thinks Damon's company influenced her.
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Nov 24, 2013
Damon :( damn... poor guy never gets a break does he. caroline's constant whining about him is annoying and pointless he has done nothing but sacrifice and eat dirt for it. Bonnie 2.0 needs to get her fire back otherwise she's doing fine. i like the new stephan and katherine thing i hope it continues. this episode as a whole... damn...
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Nov 24, 2013
I feel the same with Caroline cutting down Damon.... Granted, what he did to her in season one was beyond terrible, so I can understand where she is coming from, but at the same time, look at all of the characters. As she and Stefan talked about in season 4, they've all done horrible things, so what makes them better (at that point they were discussing it in reference to Klaus)?
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Nov 24, 2013
i completely agree. i also think she's a hypocrite since she has that whole feelings thing with mr. evil himself Klaus lets not forget that. i also like him btw :p
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Nov 24, 2013
I wasn't going to comment but then after reading some reviews, I decided the opposite
I'm happy for a bit more unexpected action this week even though I am not happy with torturing Damon.
What bothers me the most is that Elena and Damon are really never together, we do not get to see any glimpses in their relationship with any sweet gestures. It is a very different relationship than the one that she had with Stefan which we had to endure for half of the episode how much they meant to each other and now that she's with Damon -nothing
Caroline attacking her boyfriend and her not responding in any way, not cool at all.
Spare me the morality, I mostly watch the show for unexpected turns. My favourite was when Elijah was first introduced and then simultaneously ripped two hearts out of some vampire bounty hunters. Did not see that coming and it was awesome
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Finally I think Bonnie and Jeremy are quite cute and anyone who wants to swoon over his arms has right to do so. They are enormous
How does that happen? Does he do anything else besides working out?
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Nov 23, 2013
I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT DAMON!!!!!!!!!!! And also for Stefan and Katherine bonding!!!!!!!! So: 1. I was going to complain here this week, about how that show does nothing with Damon anymore other than him saving people. THANK YOU SHOW FOR NOT LETTING ME DOWN!!!!!!!! 2. Katherine and Stefan are cute :))) and the contrast: Damon didn't mind killing Katherine, Stefan saved her. And I totally thought of you when Katherine fell off. 3. Matt is alive. 4. I guess the travelers will be one of the topics will see later on? 5. Bonnie was actually cool... I loved her hair, new hair=new person? And the anchor thing will surely play out somehow. 6. Aaron+Elena=sad 7. Hadn't you predicted that Jesse would die? 8. Damon-Elena-Caroline: I will not dispute the fact that Caroline has the right to hate Damon. However, seriously? he is not a good person?? Of course he is dark, he is a murderer THEY ALL ARE!!!!! Why was Stefan a good person??? From what we know Stefan might have killed more people than Damon. In order to calm down he counted the people he has killed (who btw were the whole Council?) Is Caroline a good person, or Elena, or Katherine, any of the Originals, Jeremy, even Bonnie???? NO! And Caroline was pointing the finger to Elena. Really?? Really???? WHat about that point when Caroline had killed the two policemen to save Stefan (and Damon)???? What, because we didn't know them it was OK to kill them?? Or what about when she killed the witches to save Bonnie??? She did these things because she cared about them!!! There were other ways to stop them, but no, she killed them. And Elena killed Jesse. I immediately thought that she could have hit him in the arm, the stomach, anywhere, but wasn't he stronger? If Damon couldn't take him on, how would Elena?? (that was actually defense on behalf of a third person). So that is that!!!! I AM SO SO SO SO EXCITEDDDD ABOUT THE DAMON STORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S Totally called it that someone would die:

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Nov 25, 2013
Haha epic tweets
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Nov 23, 2013

I've never agreed with this "Damon is a rapist" mentality. I mean I guess if you're going with the vampire-biting-as-a-sex-metaphor thing, ok. But rape in the traditional sense, no. Back in those first few episodes, she went home with him WILLINGLY. She started having sex with him willingly. She only freaked out once she saw fangs, which, I think most girls would. She was resistant to being bitten and scared because he was a vampire, and that is what he compelled her to forget/accept. He just forced her to be ok with what he is (same with Andie, and I think it's safe to assume that lots of vampires in this world use compulsion for the exact same thing. To keep people from running away terrified)... and to me that's a separate issue from the sex. He never compelled her to have sex with him.

However, I can agree with the emotional/physical abuse. That's certainly true, and Caroline has a right to hate him for it. But I also think that kind of behavior could be said for most of the vampires on this show, at one time or another. The things that Stefan did to Elena, and most importantly the fact that he never even properly apologized for it when she just blindly forgave him, are just as inexcusable for a boyfriend in my mind.

And speaking of bad boyfriend behavior (human edition!), how about when Jeremy straight up ditched Bonnie for Anna the ghost, saying that it's always been Anna that he loved. And Bonnie just forgets this ever happened?

MY POINT: This ia a TV show where drama and conflict are needed to keep the story going, and that means that people in relationships do terrible things to each other. ALL OF THEM, not just one. Stop singling out Damon as being evil. He's a vampire, they're evil... and humans aren't must better. Crack a history textbook if you need a reminder of that.

End rant.

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Nov 26, 2013
I must admit for a long time I did not understand the rapist mentality, but the more I think about it the more it makes sense. Yes, Caroline wanted to have sex with Damon before she found out who he was. However, the minute she did find out, its obvious that she was no longer attracted to him (on account of him being a murderous monster), so she no longer wanted to sleep with him, which meant that Damon had to compel her. Even if she was initially attracted to him, she is allowed to withdraw consent at any time. If you were dating a hot guy and found out he was a serial killer, you would no longer think he was hot, you would just be scared of him. Imagine how disgusted you would feel if then that person brainwashed you into continuing to sleep with them. It would be horrible getting all your memories back, and you would definitely feel violated. So yeah, I do believe that counts as rape.

Still, this is a TV show, and people's favorite characters aren't the people they would actually like in real life. I still liked season 1 Damon, because he was fun. In TV, the greatest sin isn't abuse or murder, but being boring. And you're right, all of the characters have done terrible things.
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Nov 23, 2013
Man, they're going full on season 4 Buffy with the whole college thing, and I love it. If they put a electric chip in Damon and then spend the rest of the season fighting a robot I'll be so happy.
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Nov 23, 2013
Thank you for your review, I loved it as always.
I think that this episode was really good, but there should be more screen time for Jeremy, with or without a shirt.
I used to like Jeremy with Anna, but I have to admit that now I love Jeremy and Bonnie. I hope that this relationship will last. They are now the cutest couple on tvd.
Happy thanksgiving!!!
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Nov 23, 2013
How quickly people forget...


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Nov 24, 2013
Indeed

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Nov 24, 2013
Your retaliation with a Stefan clip confirms that you do not have anything to prove Caroline wrong in disliking Elena with Damon. When your best friend sleeps with ex's brother, the day after they broke up, ofcourse you will get that kind of reaction.
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Nov 24, 2013
People haven't forgotten. The thing is, characters tend to grow and change over time and Damon has experienced quite a lot of character growth since the clip you posted. It's not that people have "forgotten"; it's that certain segments of the audience disregard what has happened on the show since then.
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Nov 23, 2013
haha "Deadly beast captured" - bring back this Stefan.
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Nov 23, 2013
Oh Come On! That Jeremy-dude's on steroids, right? His body is all out of wack! It's like a 30-year old bodyguard's body with a tiny little 16-year old boy's head... He creeps me out!
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Nov 23, 2013
me too, to be honest :) that must be a boys only thing...
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Nov 23, 2013
Is it worth catching up on this season? I feel like I'm interested in Damon's ex-torture flashbacks now. Just tell me if it's worth going through everything else to understand. Thanks.
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Nov 26, 2013
The previous episodes this season has motsly been about Silas and Tessa so this is a new storyline for this season. I suggest that you start by watching this episode (it was one of the best this season IMO) and if there is something you don't get, you just ask us and we'll fill you in ;)
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Nov 26, 2013
Okay cool. I'll get back to you though. ;)
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Nov 23, 2013
Also, what was with Caroline being like "when you're a vampire your emotions are heightened ooh~~ tingles~ wow holding hands feels so gd~~~" when
  1. caroline emotions are suddenly heightening around jesse when she barely knows him??????? wHY IS THIS SUDDENLY HAPPENING
  2. if her emotions are heightened then why is she so goddamn calm like what
  3. if this is true then how hasn't she jumped klaus' bones yet because we all know she wants to
ugh i stg im so sick of TVD's plot holes like so sick of it


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Nov 25, 2013
Naa, it's always been like that, she just ignores. Remember her "horny all the time" convo with Tyler? Caroline's control is EPIC, but clearly she figured she might as well get laid now that he's a vamp. I'm sure going from vamp/hybrid sex to vamp/human sex was not high on her to do list lol. I don't honestly think Caroline wanted a relationship with Jesse, just a lay.
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Nov 23, 2013
YES. Katherine's attempted suicide was so out of character, suicide isn't something you use lightly as a plot device to bring stefan and katherine together. Ugh.
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