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The Vampire Diaries "Down the Rabbit Hole" Roundtable Review: Wakey Wakey, Blood and Stakey

by Cory Barker, Andy Daglas, and Noel Kirkpatrick

The Vampire Diaries S04E14: "Down The Rabbit Hole"


Jen suggested that we do a roundtable-style review for this week’s The Vampire Diaries, and boy howdy did she pick a doozy of an episode to suggest such a format. Did “Down the Rabbit Hole” solve any of the problems this season has suffered? Were the big events in the last ten minutes worth all the trouble? Does Noel finally have a chance with Caroline now that Tyler’s on the run from Klaus? Read on!


CORY: Welp. This episode gave us a lot to process. We learned that there was only one dose of the cure (duh), Tyler is on the run for the fortieth time (sigh), Katherine is back (finally), and Jeremy could maybe-possibly-perhaps be dead (wow). For an episode that had a lot going on in the first 38 minutes, somehow the last five ramped it up even more. I really do enjoy it when TVD slows things down and forces the characters to ask important questions of one another—like we saw in last week’s episode—but it’s hard not to gleefully sit back and let the full-bore insanity of offerings like this one rush over you. We’ve been waiting for the “raising Silas” plot to actually get to the raising Silas part for a while now, and “Down the Rabbit Hole” delivered that, among other things.

So let’s start at the end, because it’s the juiciest. Is Jeremy really dead? He’s been killed at least a dozen times over the course of the series’ run and used to have a ring to protect him from things like this. But I gather that becoming one of the Five means losing special human-wearing ring powers, right? I like what Steven R. McQueen has done on the show, particularly this season, but this death really turns Jere into a plot device. He and his tattoos brought everyone to Silas and now he’s not needed anymore. That’s pretty cruel, even for a show that is almost entirely plot-based.

It’s also damn cruel to Elena, who at this point has lost all of her true blood relatives. The teaser for next week suggests that A) Jeremy is dead, and B) Elena isn’t going to take it very well. While I do anticipate the aftermath of what would be the show’s biggest death to date (sorry Alaric, I love you, but...), particularly with Elena in the fragile emotional state she’s already in, this one hurts. I like Jeremy. And I really like Elena. She doesn’t deserve all of this, does she?



NOEL: It's terribly cruel, but good grief, this show needed to kill some people off. I mean, yes, they killed poor Mayor Lockwood, and while that sequence was very big and neat, her death really didn’t mean all that much. So while Jeremy had pretty much been reduced to a plot device, his death will at least have ramifications beyond being a sexytimes map. This is, of course, provided he’s actually dead. I have to assume he is. Now that he's a supernatural being (assuming Hunters are supernatural, given their whole curse thing), that ring means diddly, and he’s probably dead. I sort of want him to be dead, just so that the emotional fallout of his demise will actually mean something. Unlike, say, you know, Elena committing mass genocide.

So does Elena deserve all this? Eh. No, because even though she’s become Julie Plec’s way of keeping the ‘shippers frustrated (breaks up with Stefan, gets with Damon, sire bond gives hope of breaking that off so she can get back with Stefan, blah blah blah), she’s still our protagonist. She’s still gone through hell before becoming a vampire, and she’s managed to keep a decent number of people from dying-dying (thank goodness for those rings), and she’s still a very likeable character.

Also: Is Bonnie dead? Because that would be crazypants, too. She’s on death’s door, certainly, what with the Surprise Stabbing™ and all.



ANDY: My guess is that Jeremy is dead and Bonnie’s alive. We’ve seen the way this show treats cliffhangers plenty of times, all smash cuts and rising music. That last shot was an elegy, deliberate and mournful. It hearkened back to Alaric’s and Jenna’s deaths more so than to any of the faux-demises of a ring-protected human (Jeremy included). Bonnie, however, was still breathing, and the rule of thumb for TVD is the same as for the books of George R.R. Martin: If you don’t see them actually, officially expire on-screen, they’re still kicking. And thank goodness, since the last few episodes have teased out some great material for Bonnie.

Does Elena deserve it? I’m more concerned about whether we deserve it. I’ve been less enamored of the Cannonball Run for the Cure story arc, just because the show has been taking it so much more damn seriously than past plot-engine macguffins like the Sun and Moon Curse. (Exhibit A: the fact that we were supposed to consider the big reveal about the cure’s limited dosage to be legitimately shocking and not, y’know, a strong likelihood the characters should have considered all along. Have they never seen rationing of flu vaccines at Mystic Falls General?) Now the storyline has generated a tangible, irrevocable consequence, which could be the impetus to a second half of the season that’s both more streamlined and more emotional than the first.

But, I’m concerned what it says if the show has to knock off a family member every year in order to crank up the stakes. One of TVD’s greatest strengths from the beginning has the sheer brass balls with which it plows through story. That’s a fun and daring approach, but the flipside is, once you’ve heaped so much grimness and tragedy onto the characters, it gets harder and harder to pull back to smaller, zippier stories.

Am I overthinking this? If we assume Jeremy is dead, Silas is the Big Bad in waiting, and the 5k Fun Woodland Trek for the Cure stretch of the season is over, what does that signal for what’s to come?



CORY: I’m still bothered by Elena deciding to kill Kol and his entire bloodline. Like really, really bothered. I’m glad I didn’t have to review that episode because I would have just typed in angry all caps the whole time. I understand that she’s “different” now, but at least a few of those vampires had to have been innocent. It troubles me that the show isn’t interested in moral questions like it used to be. Nevertheless, you make a good point, Andy. If played correctly, Jeremy’s death could bring weight to a story that has been more plot-focused than ever. I really enjoyed last week’s episode because characters had to think and talk about how they felt instead of just making some instant, rash decision, and maybe—just maybe—Jeremy’s death will force them to do that again. Though, the nature of this show is that they’ll eventually just move on from his death, like they did with Jenna’s or Alaric’s.

With that sort of in mind, let’s talk about what ended up being my favorite scene of the episode: Stefan and Elena on the top of the hill, talking about change and acceptance. Sometimes when you have to watch and think critically about these episodes one at a time, it’s hard to see the forest for the trees. For me, it seemed like the show rushed into the Race for the Cure so quickly that it never quite permitted Elena’s transition to gain traction. Neither the character nor the show took a lot of time to consider what her being a vampire truly meant (some of those early Season 4 episodes did make this attempt, and were better for it). So in this episode when she told Stefan that losing the cure might be for the best because she’s not the same person she was before the accident on the bridge anyway, I nodded along furiously.

In this regard, the cure storyline has a little more impact. Everyone rushed into this because they specifically wanted to avoid thinking about Elena being a vampire (among other, ever-changing personal reasons), and now they really have to deal with the reality that she might be one forever. I don’t know if the show meant to tell the story this way or found a nice little moment to re-contextualize the thread a bit, but that was an effective scene nonetheless. And nice to see Stefan and Elena sharing a moment without TRIANGLE DRAMA hanging over them. What’d you guys think of that scene, and more broadly, the idea that no one will actually get the cure? Does anyone deserve it?



NOEL: Cory and Andy, I love how optimistic you are about the loss of the cure, and the recontextualizing of things, and the idea that now that Jeremy’s dead, we’ll have some emotional consequences to deal with. I want those things to happen. I REALLY REALLY do. But I’m not convinced they won't. I think we’re going to get an episode about Jeremy’s death, but then we’re on to the next race: To find Katherine before she does.... whatever she has planned for the cure. And I say this as someone who is absolutely thrilled to see Katherine back. Oh, and we'll also have to deal with Silas, who I hope is a much bigger and scarier threat than Mikael turned out to be (I had really high hopes for Mikael).

But I do agree that that little moment with Stefan and Elena was perhaps a highlight, and it was the show taking a moment to think about Elena’s... predicament. I didn’t like last week’s episode as much as you did, Cory, as I found most of it pretty repetitive. This plunge after the cure hasn’t allowed for much reflection, but the show itself hasn’t seemed all that interested in reflection this season, moving jerkily around ‘shipping changes and their impacts and then focusing on the cure. I do like the idea that the characters tossed themselves into finding the cure to avoid thinking about it—a lot, actually—but I feel like the reason the characters don't want to think about is that the writers don't want to think about it, because they don’t have an answer. Which is disappointing.

The stuff that only tangentially related to the cure, with Caroline and Klaus and I guess Tyler (but really, who cares about Tyler?), was a bit more engaging this time around. I love that someone other than Klaus or Damon doesn’t want a damn cure, and I love that it’s Caroline. I love that she’s loving her immortal life. I get that she’s new to it, and thus doesn’t have the baggage that everyone else has, but thank goodness she sees it as good thing, a way to help her friends and herself. It’s a little less doom-and-gloomy. But with that said, I still find her need to redeem Klaus—speechifying about him showing “kindness, forgiveness, and pity”—to be pointless. Although I find attempts to redeem pretty much anyone in a romantic entanglement on this show to be pointless.



ANDY: There’s a reason that on Twitter we call her Awesome Vampire Caroline. I relished her exchange with Klaus in large part because she articulated what is so often displayed but dismissed, that this show’s conception of vampirism isn’t incompatible with humanity. One of the biggest missed opportunities so far in the Vampire Elena arc is that we didn’t get to see much of her and Caroline relating on that level, sharing their perspectives on the human/vampire divide, perhaps even clashing over it. Instead, Elena’s nature became primarily another chip in the Stefan vs. Damon conflict, easily my least favorite component of the TVD’s DNA.

I don’t agree, though, that this episode was taking pains to redeem Klaus; mercifully, it seemed to do the opposite. He feinted toward compassion but immediately undercut it with the acknowledgment that 1) He’s content to be a villain, and 2) The only reason he’ll even half-ass toward less villainy is if it might get him in Caroline’s pants. (I also take umbrage with your curt dismissal of Tyler, Noel. His story has been one of my favorite parts of this season so far, and you sir are a scoundrel of the first order for intimating otherwise.)



CORY: Klaus and Caroline is... interesting. I think the show knows better than to actually “go there,” especially after this episode, but I appreciate how much mileage it's gotten out of this complicated relationship. Klaus doesn’t always have proper things to do other than scowl (probably why he’s getting a spin-off), but this is a powerful high note in the barely-a-triangle between the two of them and Tyler. Although it’s quite lame that Tyler is on the lam again, it was worth it to have this collection of scenes. It was great to see Caroline almost convince Klaus to do the “right” thing, only for his true nature to win out in the end. That’s true to the character and true to his relationship with Caroline. He wants so badly to be a better person and for her to forgive him for all his evil. Yet he can’t, and neither can she. At this point, he’s realized that it’s best that they just acknowledge the truth. He’s a killer. She’s awesome. It won’t work. Whether or not the show will successfully pull off this Silas story is still up for debate.



NOTES & QUOTES


– We didn’t say anything about Vaughn, but he was a nice minor addition. Accents and stuff. Though it would have been cool if one of the Five was a woman. —CB

– “If anyone can get him to give it up, it’s Caroline.” PHRASING. —NK

– “How are we the ones that made it this far?” Because you’re both plot devices and not characters. —NK

– “If I weren’t a vampire, I wouldn’t be able to do the nine things I’m going to do to you when I’m free.” Damon spent the episode tied up. Yeeeeeeeeep. Even TVD wants to see Ian Somerhalder in the Fifty Shades of Grey movie. —NK

– Was anyone else hoping Elena would encounter Jenna in Silas’s Cave of Hallucinations, as long as the dude’s going to crib the First Evil’s schtick? And am I correct that Jenna’s the only major or minor character never to make at least one posthumous cameo? —AD


What'd you think of this week's episode?

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This episode also has the best line for Damon - "Do i look like i know anything about tattoos?
Look at my skin...it's flawless" ....Priceless!!!
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Why do only a few people miss Jeremy?
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Because this was the first season he mattered at all? I've been waiting for him to die the whole series. Every time I make a list of expendable characters, he is on it.
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Expendable? Maybe. But as worthless and low-key as everyone is making him? No. Jeremy is one of the best characters on the show. He was seriously the best of them (not character-wise, but moral- and personality-wise). Vaughn has had five minutes of screentime and if he died in the next few episodes, people would be in an uproar.
Okay, I get it, his accent is great, but Jeremy is still just talked about like he was nothing.
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I can't help it! I miss my photorecaps soooooooo much! sigh
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I was actually hoping that Jeremy's ring would still save him. Because Bonnie did a spell of sorts that made the tatoos disappear, so maybe he wasn't a hunter anymore when he died? This is all just speculation and wishful thinking, because I love Jeremy's character, and I don't think Elena deserves to have every single person in her family wiped out.
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Jeremy died... now Silas will have the hunter's curse and be haunted by Jeremy just so the actor can keep getting screen time. Silas will get so pissed by the hunter's curse that he'll raise Jeremy from the dead.
I'm glad that Katherine is back, curious what she would want with the cure though as she seems to embrace her vampirism.
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There is just something terribly wrong about no screengrab of Jeremy with the caption "RIP 2013". Nobody is dead until that happens.
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I've been thinking.. One of Elena and Rebekah's motivations for wanting to become human is that they want to have children. But they can still adopt right...? I know this might not be the same thing as experiencing pregnancy and having you "own" baby and all that, but as you know, many human couples have trouble getting their children of their own and adoption works just fine ;)
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This is just a scary idea. I'm gonna go out on a limb and just say that vampires would not make good adoptive parents.
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Oh, and also, jeez...Jeremy!!!!!!
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Ok, I am really late to this discussion...but did anyone else notice the scene where Stefan & Elena have their heart to heart and he's just sippin' on a blood bag like it's chocolate milk?!! I mean, didn't we just spend all of last season establishing (and again in 4x08) that the guy can't be near blood without losing it? WTH?
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We've spent the last three seasons with Stefan gradually learning to control it.
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My theory:

Jeremy isn't dead.
Bonnie sucked out his "power"/tattoo & made him human again
He was wearing his ring when Silas was drinking his blood

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The problem is, why would the witch who created the hunters make it so that they would lose their powers after opening the path to Silas? That would be robbing them of their enhanced abilities when they need it most.
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Because at that point the an incredibly powerful witch that was needed to open the tomb could take over the killing of Silas.
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But Shane's stated that it was the hunter who was supposed to kill Silas. Vaughn also believed that it was his responsibility to kill Silas. It wasn't supposed to be the witch.
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Well Elena had the same argument that I did, so... clearly I'm just in denial over jeremy's death
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5 regular humans and a witch (since I don't think expression was supposed to be required in the original ritual) against the strongest immortal being in the world?
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They would be pretty used to fighting vampires by then/ be pretty buff and able to take silas down between the five of them
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Katherine's back!!! I'm so happy *___*

Now, can anyone explain to me why is Silas a vampire? They have always referred to him as a generic "first immortal being" with the power to raise the dead... how does that make him a vampire?
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I don't think he is a vampire. The blood drinking was just a part of the raising rituat. At least that's what I thought. Correct me if I'm wrong anyone ;)
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Not to mention the telepathic ability and the fact that I was forgetting that there are already ORIGINALS vampires XD
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Two quick things:

Katherine is 'the ace up TVD's sleeve' and to their credit, they know how to play that card well.

Unfortunately, ever since news of 'The Originals' spin-off started being released their presence and storylines on TVD has been less interesting for me. I mean I still think Rebekah and Klaus are awesome but I figure not much can really happen for them on TVD now because they need to preserve/prepare things for 'The Originals'. So Rebekah and Stefan really can't be going anywhere; same with Klaus and Caroline; neither can be cured or killed because uh 'The Originals' would really be a boring show if that happen; etc.
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Besides if Elena were to become human again, with all the supernatural things going around in Mystic Falls, she's bound to become a vampire again.
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best episode of the season Jeremy's death was totally unexpected and heartbreaking and it made me hate Katharine and i loved her before this episode but now i just wish they would catch her and kill her.
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This just crossed my mind, probably too late or not that much of a thing considering the impact of Jeremy's death. It's about the rock (that Rebecca had in her backpack, blabbed about it that they have something to contribute in the mission than Elena having nothing), and turned out to be just a payment to the native who kidnapped Jer, something that has Qetsiyah's blood whatever. If that was just Shane's ransom for Jeremy and Bonnie and it has nothing to do with the spell, so the guy who was compelled to killhimself in Shane's office when he failed to stole it was just pointless.
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That's an interesting point, I wasn't thinking much about that rock because of everything else that happened, but maybe it will have some impact after all. The suicide guy was apparently sent by a vampire (as he was probably compelled) interested in the cure and that must have been Katherine - unless there was fifth team we haven't met yet. So either she didn't know everything about awakening Silas and searched for it just because someone else did - or it will turn out to be necessary at some point, like, I don't know, to make cure work or whatever. Or it's just a cool magic artifact and it's worth having for some other reason. We might see it again, since Shane's witchy friend was killed - and it was probably Katherine who did it, so she probably took the rock for herself and we'll see whether she will ever use it. It should have some importance, because why else they would say that it is so desired by witches? Maybe it will even become our new McGuffin to search for for the rest of the season?
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You're right... could it be that Katherine is the one that compelled him?
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right now, all i can think of is how overrated it was like the precious moonstone in the previous season, just larger in size this time. hahah
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Ok I have so many burning questions now.
Will elena turn off her humanity when she sees Jeremy?
What will Elijah do when he gets back and what would he do if he got his hands on the cure? What would he do to elena after kol?
Maybe klaus will be satisfied she has lost her brother and can live in pain, maybe Elijah is the one she needs to look out for.
Silas may have the strength upper hand on klaus but he has been frozen for 2000 yrs and klaus has been living for 1000 so surely he will be able to outsmart silas?
And won't silas be a little out of touch with modern living? Or just insane from isolation?
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I think insane is more likely (does he get the hunter's curse for killing jer?)
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good question about Klaus and Silas,... will he run away to New Orleans(spin off),... I hope not,... I can not stand to see him weak,...
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Yeah I really don't like the idea of Klaus fleeing from anthying. Or of anyone being more powerful than him come to think of it. Klaus's power suits him, he wears it well, he's not using it too much but everyone knows it's there. I think klaus would find it very strange to have to be careful how he acts if he meets silas. He won't like that at all.
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If he flees from anything, I imagine it will be from boredom and Caroline's rejections in Mystic Falls.
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Okay, it says that there is 557 posts on here but I can't see mine, is this happening to anybody else? Now I kinda feel like an idiot cause I posted two of the same thing, but that's besides the point, guise, I can't find my posts goddammit internet i hayte u so much.
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AGH IT DID IT AGAIN GODDAMMIT TV.COM F U
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No, but how annoying! Wich comment you mean? When did you post it? :)
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I posted it right before this one, and twice! It was this really long post about Jeremy.
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Wait, that has actually happend to me too. Then it was b/c I wrote an adress to a website. So usually when you write something(dot)com (with a dot...) the comment disappears. Is this the case? :)
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YES YES THANK YOU NOW I GET IT
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nope,... I'm not having that problem,...
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OK, let's see. Jeremy dead? He's character was always a plot device, ghost watcher, living map and Elena's anchor to her humanity. From the looks of the promo she'll be in deep denial a while and with some anger but what happens after that will be interesting if in fact he's permanent dead (is that a word in TVD? I thought that with enough witches or a strong with reanimate is possible but possibly with some permanent issues that in the end destroys everything, which is a reason I've never enjoyed the idea the of recairnation or reanimation in fiction).

Caroline is awesome and I think Klaus is awesome but the problem is, as he said earlier, she isn't ready for whatever Klaus had in mind and I'm not talking about sex but showing her the world. Speaking of which, it sure is a pity that this show relies on a bunch of people with super speed and such and yet they can't really travel too much because of the show's budget and I guess other reasons). I hope they keep their relationship or whatever it is complicated through out the series, if they end it with a never-happening or one of them dies or they get married (lol?) I think it would be a cheap course of action.

KATHERINE IS BACK!! I hope she doesn't die, that would be a huge bummer. Now I want Elijah back and the show is is back on its track. I wonder what she could want with the cure but I'm sure it has something to do with Klaus because how he destroyed her life but at the same time she must know about Silas so running away with it and hide it somewhere seems strange, I can't wait to see her story arc going forward. :)

Silas..well, we'll have to see but I agree about Mikael, the only reason he was interesting was because 1) Klaus was afraid of him (altough he never came close at killing Klaus, only his horse..) and 2) He had a White Oak Stake ready to kill his children. I hope they make Silas...complicated in the way that he doesn't necessarily want either love, stability or quoting Klaus "an army so big that no one dares to touch you.." yet he could turn out to be one of those cliché mages that all they want is knowledge but at least in this case that would be a change of pace compared to the rest of the characters.

I forgot about Damon, I wonder how he'll deal with this. He's been quite happy now that he's with Elena but now that he won't be able to fix a problem she has he'll probably be rather gloomy.
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Klaroline getting married ?,... man did that escalated quickly,... ;))))))
I now pronounce you husband and wife,... you may bite the bride,... ;))))))
damn it,... Now all I can think about is his watery and deep eyes looking into hers at the alter,... ;)))))))
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Hehe, I only meant it as a possibility, not that it will actually happen. My point is: there relationship will be fun as long as it's complicated, once one of them dies or they actually make a relationship it will be sort of weird considering what Klaus has done to them. On the other hand keep grudges only gets you so far so I guess anything can happen given a desperate situation.
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AGREED
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Jeremy dead? Bonnie injured? Tyler gone? Could this episode get any better!
Elena predictably still finds a way to make me hate her by making it her mission to cure klaus. I would hate this so much and I think it would damage his originals redemption storyline. The rare good choices he makes are only so moving and meaningful because he does them in spite of his power. Tear that away and he is just some neutered animal. It would be awful and tragic to see him weak and at the mercy of his siblings. I want him to be the one able to show mercy, as long as it doesn't detract from him being klaus. This week was a perfect example with his response to Caroline's request.
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jeremy isn't dead,when the tattoo dissappeared he turned normal and therefore the ring can work on him...he was drained of his blood and silas snapped his neck,of course he's gonna recover for days but he still will reincarnate,and plus silas probably can't bring back the dead because we saw that the "ghosts of the dead relatives" were just hallucinations made by him just to fool someone to raise him.So Beremy fans keep calm and watch TVD in peace :)
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Andy:

As you say, I'm sure Bonnie's alive. And I'm not surprised. She's still got a bunch of expression-related badass/evil development to do this season.

Concerning what Noel said about this episode trying to redeem Klaus, I disagree with him and agree with what you said. "Mercifully, it seemed to do the opposite." That's exactly what I was thinking. The whole point was that he can't be redeemed, and they both know it. The only reason he has even mildly tried was because of his feelings for Caroline. But doing good just to impress a girl isn't being good. Haha, they have no chance. But I love watching Klaus pine over her anyway.

"Was anyone else hoping Elena would encounter Jenna in Silas's Cave of Hallucinations, as long as the dude's going to crib the First Evil's schtick? And am I correct that Jenna's the only major or minor character never to make at least one posthumous cameo?"

I just love Buffy references, what can I say? Hey Silas, quit being a The First wannabe who can only pull it off if people are in your cave and preferably bleeding! But as The First never managed to pull a Tarah, Silas just can't make Jenna happen. . .

Cory:

I'm still SUPER distressed about the mass vampire slaying perpetrated by Elena and Jeremy too. I can't believe NOT ONE of our heroes disagreed with the plan! And I can't believe Elena came up with it. It's SOOO out of character for her. As you say, the show isn't thinking morally anymore, which makes me feel off balance at all times. Normally, we can say, "Ok, well they may decide to kill Klaus to keep him from killing any more of their family members, but knowing our protagonists, they wouldn't blow up an elementary school to do it just because he's inside." Now it's like, "Or would they? Are they good guys or bad guys?" I don't mind a little ambiguity, but I would have assumed that that particular action would go in the "NEVER" pile.

Also, I agree about Vaughn! Accents FTW! Eh, I don't care if it's a woman. We already saw TONS of badass female slayers on Buffy, and I don't remember anyone saying, "Hey, where're the male potential slayers?"

Noel:

"I do like the idea that the characters tossed themselves into finding the cure to avoid thinking about it—a lot, actually—but I feel like the reason the characters don't want to think about is that the writers don't want to think about it, because they don't have an answer. Which is disappointing."

Exactly this!! It is true that the tvdotcom reviewers and fans like to really analyze and talk about emotional consequences. . . but the TVD writers probably don't have any intention of delving as deeply into the soul of things as we predict. And sure, they'll take an episode to mourn Jeremy, but by next season, he's unlikely to be mentioned.

I'm also glad that someone FINALLY got around to asking Caroline if she'd be interested in taking the cure, and I'm also glad she said "No". She's the best vampire ever.
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I do believe Jeremy is dead. The ring wouldn't work for him anymore now that he's supernatural. Plus, those in the know seem to say he's dead. I agree with the timing of his leaving the show. I feel like the character has really done everything, and I'm ok with him no longer being a series regular. He was a young, lost druggie and is now a ripped hunter. He has had multiple relationships, died and been brought back to life, moved to Denver and come back. I really get that they didn't have more ideas of what to do with him. And short-term, his death WILL create some drama.

But I think it was a mistake to kill him. I think he should have gone off to Denver or some other locale, if they wanted him off the show. They could have written it so that they never found a way to get him to stop trying to kill everybody including Elena, and he had to go away forever/for now, because a hunter can't stop trying to kill vampires. This would have had the added benefit of allowing him and his tank tops to make guest appearances. And they still could have had a very emotional goodbye scene and Elena could have still mourned his absence. She DIDN'T deserve his death. And neither did he. Every single family member and guardian they have ever had has died, and I even thought that killing sweet Jenna was going too far. But at least she was older, and never right in the middle of the action. This is Elena's little brother. The ONLY real responsibility she has right now is: TAKE CARE OF JEREMY. She failed. And poor kid. He has just had loss, loss, and more loss, and now he doesn't get to grow up? Lame.

Finally, I can't figure out what on EARTH they're doing with Elena's character, and this death is another part of the problem. She's the main character, the one that ties all of the other characters together. Unlike bullshit Twilight chicks, she didn't WANT to become a vampire. Even after all of the loss she has experienced, she stayed well-adjusted, just wanting a normal life for herself and her brother. Then a terrible accident (Rebekah) occurs, and she becomes a vampire. This is already a problem for the show, because we're supposed to have one "normal" character who we can empathize with, but ok, she's a vampire. Didn't change Caroline THAT much, except for the better, so maybe she can still be the sweet, boring anchor who holds everyone together. But Elena's different than Caroline. For vampire Elena, genocide is NBD. And becoming a vampire, for whatever reason, actually causes her to change her mind about whom she loves. So yeah, she's clearly not "herself". If she was ALREADY willing to bang her boyfriend's brother the day after they broke up, and then eliminate like a fifth of the vampire population with no thought for the "innocents". . . she would already clearly do just about ANYTHING. She's not recognizable as the human we knew. And NOW?? Her one tie to the land of mortals and familial love is dead. Damn, she's gonna go crazy. Only, since she ALREADY did that crazy ass genocide thing, I can't think of how she could really get any crazier. So what was the point of killing Jeremy? He was the ONE REASON for her to want to become human again and the ONE PERSON who she protects, rather than the other way around. I mean, now she can be cured or not, but either way, she is truly alone. I'm one of those who wants her to be cured. It was a fun season arc, but I like my heroine human in my vampire stories, so we can relate to her. Now, there's really no point in her considering humanity. The people she loves most in the world are ALL vampires, now.
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Yes. YES. Jeremy is literally at Damon's neck for one of my favorite characters, and people have just stopped giving a f*** about him! He was so great.
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First, this format was a lot of fun, though I imagine it might be hard for you guys to keep it up, since it pretty much requires all three of you to put in as much time as if you'd reviewed it by yourself. . . But still, love the format, getting everyone's opinion at once.
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Any ideas on why Katherine wants the cure? (BTW, so glad she's back!)
That seemed a little weird to me. Does she have a grudge against Klaus? I can't remember.
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I have 2 theories : 1- she will give it to Klaus in exchange for freedom 2-she will try to use it against Klaus with the help of Elijah,...
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Oooh, I hadn't thought of Katherine working with Elijah. Interesting thought. Anything that brought Elijah back would make me happy. :)
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I don't think Elijah would use it on Klaus. He seems like the type of person who would want Silas to remain sealed just like Kol, and would use it on Silas to make sure that his family can stay alive.
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so Katherine is not working with Elijah?
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No, I don't think so. I think Katherine is working alone or may want to be on Silas' good side since he can stop Klaus.
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I like this edition and hope that you guys review the show like this more often. But yeah, I agree with Kids_Table that it was long. If you decide to stick with this format, can you guys try to make it a bit shorter? Anyways, I enjoyed reading your review! :)
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I actually liked that is was longer. The other ones have been to short IMO. :)
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Agreed.
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Isn't the deal with Silas, and the justification Shane keeps bringing up, that Silas can raise the dead? That particular point is something I'm not clear on, but it makes me wonder if Jer will stay dead.

That review format was fun, but it was LONG. I think round tables work better with short feedback, almost like the participants are interviewing each other. This just read like a bunch of mini-reviews and rebuttles.

Do we get to cast a vote for who we'd like to review TVD all the time? I'd like a shorter format roundtable, but if I had to choose between these three reviewers (all great in their own right), I'd like to nominate Cory.
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I don't think that he can raise the dead. The wife and grams were just hallucinations made by Silas to lure people into helping him. At least that's what I am guessing.
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Well.. About the cure. If you've read the books, you know that the TV series is basically another show with the same elements and characters with the same name, but none of the main storyline is involved. HOWEVER. The cure does have some significance and how Elena died and became a vampire. In the books (SPOILER ALERT!), in the end of one of the books(can't remember which) Damon steals and takes the cure to stop Stefan from taking it because he wants it to live as a human with Elena(Who have died as a vampire and been revived as a Angel-of-a-sort.)
I recognize that the storyline is way different from the TV series and their situations is very different. But consider that Elena might die in this season, and be resurrected as an angel in the end of this season. This could lead to the Kitsune twins if Silas is resurrected and killed. Because lets be honest. They've pretty much done all the badguys if he is killed, am I right?
Unless he/she(Can't remember if they've even referred to Silas as a man.) survives this series and theres another season, there's not many baddies left out there for them to resurrect if Silas dies. Another thing is, what if only Silas spirit is released and the part of the resurrection process with a Witch is that she or he is supposed to be Silas body? Hello! There's a dying witch nearby, one whom you're very familiar with and has been learning his kind of magic.

PS: I'm really, really hoping that the show doesn't go Angels and Kitsune on us because that storyline is what killed the book-series.

Rock on!
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I know, the books were great, but I don't think Damon purposely took the cure. He loved black velvet roses and there was one (the "cure flower") in the bouquet the kitsune gave Stefan, and Damon was just like "Ooh, this is pretty" and took it out. And then he forgot to breathe as a human, which was just great.
It's really strange when you see that, even though the book and the series are really different, you notice the very small-yet-significant similarities between them. They're sort of hidden in there, like how insane Kat really was and how evil Klaus is and some of the major events.
I liked the kitsune and angels, they just couldn't put it in a show. Ever.
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Hmm, okay, I remember it differently, that he knew what the flowers were but didn't know how to use them and was cured by mistake. But its been a long time since I read the books so I can be mistaken about that part. Yes, I agree that there are some similiarities, but those small details is what I talked about with characters and some of the elements regarding those characters, (Kat and Klaus, Tyler being a werewolf, etc..) The main storyline is way, waaay different.
It could've been good if it weren't so loong. I remember it being a confusing plot overall and kind of tedious reading from that other girls perspective.(Woah, can't even remember her name, the petite nervous one. It's been that long.)
God no, it's so messed up and not at all what this show is about(Its for teens, and those three books really went off the rails. With Caroline going all exorcist and all.. Yah. That image is stuck in my head. Being pregnant with monster insects.)
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Yeah, the petite, nervous, pale, redhead was Bonnie (who, according to the show, is strong, going dark-side, and, um, black). Just the case of Bonnie makes me laugh every time.
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Meredith, who was made into a doctor. When I realized this, I yelled at my TV.
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Bonnie in the show is a fuse with Bonnie in the books and the other girl, the tall strong one. :D
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The whole idea that some of them want a "cure" for immortality is pretty dumb. They might as well seek a cure for their ridiculous good looks.

I can understand Stefan, because when he's off the human blood, he's hurting over the things he's done. He knows that if he becomes human, he won't be going on any more killing sprees. But the rest of them? No way. It doesn't make sense for any of them to want to be human. If they want to die, it makes more sense for them to kill themselves than to get "cured".
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"They might as well seek a cure for their ridiculous good looks."

Hahaha, I really hope they don't. Half the fun with this show is the oggling. ;)
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It makes sense for Elena, Rebekah, and Stefan to want the cure. Rebekah and Elena want a normal lives where they can age and have children, and you already stated why Stefan wants it. Not every single person wants to live forever.
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If someone wants to die, there are ways to do it in half a second. It doesn't have to take half a century, and make you sick and ugly before you die. I do however agree that the desire to have children can be a strong motivation for some of them.
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ok,... I understand being a vampire is awesome,... But the reasons the characters have for not wanting to be one is all legit,... Stefan,... well I he feels is depression and anger and sorrow,... he went about the whole thing the wrong way,...I think that is the reason he managed to show Caroline how to rock as a vampire because he already had took all the wrong turns,... Elena,... the sire bond is a pretty major thing,...Rebekah,... whom I think deserves the cure the most,... she never had the feeling of accomplishment,...when you are a hummingbird even staying alive gives you that(Klaus's saying),... but when you are an original vampire with speed and strange and immortality and all the other things how can you feel accomplished,... that comes really rarely,... this is the reason for Klaus's actions in my opinion,... I do not think he wanted the hybrids to conquer the world for him necessarily,... he wanted to feel that satisfaction of getting better and doing better,... but as an original he had to go to extremes,... just a thought,...
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I don't think a sire bond is a good enough reason to suffer a slow death. The "accomplishment" thing is IMO as far from a good reason as you can get. There's no way a beautiful, healthy and athletic person would enjoy life more after making herself/himself sick, ugly and disabled, just to make life more difficult.

I also don't think Rebekah *deserves* to get what she wants. What she deserves is to rot in a prison cell for a hundred years at least. But she's a good character, so I hope that she doesn't get what she deserves, and that she doesn't get the cure.
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I'm saying that *compared to a young person with superpowers*, a 60-year-old human is sick, ugly and disabled.
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ok,... that I can agree to,....
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so you are saying humans are sick and ugly and disabled?
but ok I respect your opinion,... I too think vampirism suits some people but I just think it is not for all,...
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Cory: "It troubles me that the show isn't interested in moral questions like it used to be."

When has the show ever been interested in moral questions? I can't remember a single time when a character made a rational comment about the morality of something on the show. It has always ignored all moral issues, and Elena's morality has always been especially messed up*. I gave up all hope that she would ever behave like a person with any rational sense of morality during the first few episodes. I'm so used to it by now that this only raised an eyebrow. It didn't bother me nearly as much as e.g. when Jeremy handed over Mason Lockwood to Damon to be tortured to death. It wasn't just murder, it was an especially cruel one. And they hardly even talked about it afterwards.

These things have always been the worst aspect of the show. For me it's the main reason why I can't appreciate the show as much as some other people do.

*) I don't mean that she's especially evil. I just mean that her morality makes the least sense. Klaus and Damon have no empathy, and that explains their actions. Same thing with Stefan, when he's on human blood. But Elena is supposed to be this sweet innocent girl, and she keeps reminding us of that by saying things like "I didn't think I was even capable of hate".
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to prevent my repetetive postings of the whys of this shows greatness, review for review, just one comment for this episode:
awesome Awesome AWESOME!!!
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Im just soooooo glad that two of my LEAST favourite characters are dead or dying :) i hope bonnie doesnt make it :D :D
as for cathreine i dont hink she wants the cure for herself !! she just was made to be a vampire !!
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My views on Caroline this episode:

Doubtlessly, she is one of the best characters on this show, and this episode and the one before this has given plenty of her awesomeness. Forwood and Klaroline was out in full force (and of course, Tyler left AGAIN).

However, something has been hugging me: when Klaus and Caroline are having the conversation about how Car doesn't want the cure, you hear the line "There's only one dose, so it's not like I'm going to get it anyway" or something like that.
I found that to be incredibly sad. What if Caroline's life as a vampire really sucked. It was just terrible, and she couldn't control herself (even though we all know she kicks ass). The thing is, nobody would have even considered giving the cure to her. Elena might have been kind and thought that somebody besides her should get it, but she'd give it to Stefan or Rebekah or something. It's all just amazingly sad.

It seems like Caroline, Tyler and Klaus have all been operating on a different level than the rest of them. Not just because they aren't on the island, but because these are the only three that are happy with their immortality, and that is one of the reasons they're my favorite characters right now. It's very sad and intriguing to have people who really hate vampirism, but it's good to finally see those who are happy with it and good at it. To be frank, it reminds me of Lexi, who became one of my favorite dead characters just because of that one episode she was in. It's just nice to know it's not all brooding, lonely vamps and guilt and sadness.

Man, I love Caroline.
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Interesting thoughts...so true. No one has ever really valued Caroline's opinions. or really even thought about her much. Elena is always too busy making everything about her and Bonnie has always been too busy making everything about Elena to really take time to think things through with Caroline. I didn't notice anyone giving Caroline much support when she thought her boyfriend (Tyler) was dead.

Aside from Klaus generally being awesome and Joseph Morgan being wayyy too sexy for his own good, that's one of the reasons I like Klaus, too: he actually sees Caroline and appreciates her. Go Klaroline, go!!!!
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@insanelyme (cool name,... how did you come up with it)
that just once again tells us what a horrible friend Elena is,... I expect that they thought they could bring it back to Mystic Falls but then again,... Caroline knows Elena will never choose her,... I mean we all have that one friend that always chooses guys that are interested in her( how little that interest might be) over her real girl friends,... that is why I had really high hopes for vampire Elena( the scene the three of them got drunk and danced,... just girls),... but of course the sire bond deal ruined that,...
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Yeah, and the worst is, it's not just Elena. Even in her human life she was always getting put down by Damon, fighting with her mom, and then when she turned vamp: Matt dumped her cause she was too supernatural, her dad tortured her, and she was manipulated by Katherine. Caroline has had to deal with a lot of B.S. which is why I ship her with Klaus. Forwood is sweet and the longest-running relationship yet. However, Klaus always notices Caroline and (besides biting her) treats her like she's a princess. I think she deserves it.
Plus, Klaus is just fantastic.
Thank you, my name came to me in a dream (JK).
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TRUE,... the only one who acknowledges her is Klaus now,... he wants to discover her,... that always leads to epic love,...
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I meant bugging* me, not hugging me. *face palm*
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I can't believe that Jeremy is dead... I mean yes, he seemed pretty dead in the end, but he might come back, right? Even if his ring doesn't work as he's not human anymore, he might be resurrected by Silas (if what we heard about his ability to raise the dead is true) or by Bonnie and her super powerful expression magic. Of course if someone treats her with vampire blood first to prevent her from dying as well. If, however, Jer is supposed to stay dead... I'll be sad. Well, yes, maybe he really turned into plot device lately, but still, he was a nice, likeable guy. And he is the only family Elena has left, so it would be pretty harsh. It can obviously be a big, meaningful twist for the show, but I don't feel ready to let Jeremy go.
It was ridiculous how everyone was sooo shocked to find out that there was only one dose of the cure. It totally makes sense since it was prepared for one creature, not for every single vampire in the world... At least one of them should have considered such a possibility before.
And yay for Katherine being back. We've waited for her long enough... She is sure to make things more interesting. She doesn't seem like someone willing to become back human, so she probably wants to cure and kill Klaus, since he's been a threat to her for centuries. Hopefully she won't succeed, because killing Klaus is not cool, but she can keep trying... anything to keep her on screen for some time.
As for Klaus, it's amazing how he can be helpful even when he's trapped in Gilbert's living room. They wouldn't have managed to get anywhere without him. He also had some nice moments with Caroline... While getting just the head start instead of "I won't kill you" promise is probably not enough from Caroline's point of view... well, it's still quite a lot coming from Klaus. You know, baby steps - and maybe one day he will do something objectively merciful? And Tyler's departure... I wouldn't want him to leave the series permanently, hopefully he comes back one day - maybe when Klaus goes to New Orleans? But this whole idea seems to maybe-hypothetically-possibly be clearing place for Klaroline to happen? Not like it wouldn't be surprising to see Caroline suddenly go for a villain who is a threat for her beloved boyfriend, but who knows... I was just wondering why she didn't even consider leaving with Tyler. I mean, okay, she has her mother and friends in MF, but if Tyler is the one she loves and wants to spend life with... Of course I wouldn't want her to leave the series, because she's great, but she could at least think about it. And Tyler's giving up on her in case they don't find a way came quite easy too. Yes, it totally looks like getting Caroline ready for some new relationship. And you see, Tyler, that's how one ends up when he's plotting to kill Klaus. It never works and just puts you in danger.
About pissing Klaus off and preparing a set up for new (or old) relationships - both of these things seem to be the case for Elena. She'd better think how to avoid his revenge now as he's free again and she has no cure. I'm glad she stays vampire though - except for the sirebond part maybe. (BTW, because of that sirebond, shouldn't she give up the search for the cure the moment Damon said he didn't want her to be cured?) It can be a real problem, unless they find some other way. What can they do now? Continue possibly abusive relationship involving sirebond, break up and have possibly abusive friendship or have Damon leave to avoid any potential abuses. Which would suck, because Damon is one of my favorites. And I think that with all these honest conversations, similar views on humanity etc., return of Stelena seems more and more probable.
And when it comes to Elena's genocide (will we ever stop thinking about it unless they address it somehow?), I had an impression that this episode made a try of slightly justifying it - probably unintentionally. But when the hunter said that he was killing vampires his entire life and his tattoo never fully showed up, I thought that it would have taken really long for Jeremy to grow his mark if he had tried to do it conventional way. Probably longer than we could watch patiently and definitely longer than Elena, Klaus and everyone else could wait. Maybe that was the thing - it would never happen if not for killing the Original? And I'm not saying that what Elena did was okay - both from moral point of view and my personal one, involving regret that Kol died just when he became interesting. I'm just saying that it was probably the only way to move this plot, because they weren't patient enough to wait for years to get this cure (not like a few years here or there should matter that much to immortal beings) and apparently no one is going to have any regrets about it.
And we're finally about to meet this infamous Silas. Will he really be that dangerous? Will he destroy the world (well, obviously no, because it would be the end of the series)? Will he resurrect anyone? Will he turn out to be an awesome villain? He might replace Klaus as the main evil force to fight with and he'd better be worth our attention after everything we've heard about him.
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Ummm... Why are we getting too setup into Jeremy being dead? Didn't Shane say like a billion times that Silas would raise the dead? How many people would take the bet that Silas would bring Jeremy back and then give them the excuse of "if you kill me, Jeremy dies" just like Klaus and the rest of the group?
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Indeed, Jeremy established that the ghost Bonnie was seeing wasn't really a ghost. Silas tricked them into believing he could raise the dead so they would awake him.
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i think it was made clear this episode that this was a bunch of lies !! silas just tricked shane that he will bring the dead so that shane would help him but i dont think he can !
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I don't know how I'm feeling about Jeremy's death because when I heard they were killing someone off I expected it to be him but I have a feeling Bonnie will bring him back and she will die but I dunno that's a guess. I really want them to kill shane off, I really don't like the guy and he is soo annoying. Also, the writers really need to step it up a notch because this season of TVD has not been great. They are losing viewers and everything and become too predictable
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So excited that Katherine is back! Been waiting very long to see how her and Elena will interact now that Elena is a vamp!
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The two big reveals this episode, the cure being just on dose and the dead family members seen in the well being just an illusion caused by Silas, were clear for 90% of the viewers from the get go. Weak, team TVD, weak!
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Well, I saw none of that coming. In my mind, I thought the cure would be... An item, something that would allow them to get cured, you know? Also, I truly believed in Silas being able to raise the dead...
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Wait, since Katherine killed the native guy ( I assume it was her), she now has the tombstone as well. What does she want with that?
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Does she know it's useless? Was she there for that? Seriously rewatched the entire series over the summer and still the plot point confuse me.
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Katherine works in mysterious ways... The plot ain't meant to confuse you. Once they're done explaining everything, you'll understand.
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How do we know it's useless? It had Qetsyah's (how the F do you spell that name!?) blood in it. It must have some use. Or maybe It is useless to her, but we have seen Katherine working with witches before and maybe she needed it as payment. I don't know, just guessing.
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Not so sure why but I kind of have this weird feeling about where the show's going with the "Katherina got the one dose" thing ... she'll probably to feed it to Klaus so that she can kill him or whatever and since she was the one killing Jer I kind of guess that Elena would probably want some revenge so there we'll be alliances and stuff like Klaus vs Katherine vs Silas which only makes me wonder about the fate of TVD in general ... so first killing so many major characters is ALWAYS a bad idea since basically NOONE likes an old show with new random characters (late OTH sucked, GG sucked, I'm so tired of Grey's new doctor's every season etc) so what will it be left of TVD (after Klaus, Jeremy, Alaric, Jenna, Vicky, Tyler, Elijah and let's face the chances of Katherine getting away from this alive from all this are small and probably) would be the BORING triangle Bony and Karoline going to college ... i'm not saying it will sucked (Veronica Mars didn't) but would the CW keep airing it (come on its the CW we are talking about they're more scared of changing that every senior high school kid that know once high school is over he would never again be the popular dumb football player anymore) So yes why did Julie Plec this i don't know, dit it kill the show ? - probably, would I stop watching TVD once The Originals start ? -YEP

P.S Unfortunately One amazing Karoline and one amazing Rebekah would not be enough to make a good show out of this awful, funny and meaningless soap opera that the triangle made of TVD, hope you're glad shippers....
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What happened to Jamie and Bonnie? Did they break up?
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I have no clue. I've been wondering about him all season. Maybe I missed a line, like "He is staying with Abby" or "Goin' to college" or some shiz.
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Hahha me too. Maybe they just forgot about him, or didn't care...
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LOVE the rountable!! Also...Noel cracked me up, those final thoughts, two of those lovely little quips I totally was thinking myself at the time! Love it!
-So does this mean that Bonnie will never get laid? To be fair she got stabbed and I needn't go into the psychological implications about a good ole fashion stabbing. I was really feeling Beremy the past couple of episodes. I mean Bonnie was doing whatever it took to molest the hell out of Jeremy while examine his tattoos. Plus there were a few times that they legitimately almost had at in a the cave. Why can't Bonnie ever be happy?
- Was I the only one that laughed when Bonnie asked if Jer trusted her and he said yes? No jer. NO. The answer should have been no!
-No one loves an accent like I do, however I was dangerously close to needing subtitles when angry hunter dude was talking. I'm usually better at that. Maybe it was because I watched it so late, or I was writing a few dozen fanfics in my head involving Damon being tied up and held captive again. He spent the entire episode being useless, and yet no one pulls off snarky but useless like Damon.
- Seriously though, what reason did Tyler and Caroline have to be chilling at Casa de Gilbert babysitting Klaus when he couldn't move?! Them being there examining the sword and binging Aramaic...right in front of the guy. That was so blatantly a scene structured for convenience that it made me cringe. Let's talk about all of our nefarious plans and show the old big bad, just how bloody dumb we are. I mean phone conversations in front of him? Really you guys?! They may have literally screwed each other's brains out. But I guess it doesn't matter, because I love watching Klausoline. They light up the screen with sheer awesomeness. I used to think that they shouldn't be able to work this whole Beauty and the Beast thing, which is a fairytale that did nothing but destroy the mindset of little girls everywhere, but it kinda does when the Beast isn't always so beastly and the beauty has become sketchier by the day. I mean Klaus waltzed out on the porch and flat out said that the confinement spell must have been lifted because something happened to Bonnie, and Caroline didn't even blink. Too torn up about Tyler, too busy missing Stefan, to turned on by Klaus. Who knows. Caroline is no saint, and she's ventured towards suck territory this season, more times than I care to count, but she's somehow back to being tolerable to actually watch when she's onscreen with Klaus. It isn't just the romantic aspects that I could enjoy though, it's so much deeper than that. Klaus in his own way teaches her how to accept and embrace who she is, which is even more hilarious given that she spends her time trying to change him into something that he's capable of being but doesn't want to be. He's a weird mentor, that Klaus. He's also like the vampire Godfather, because that smug expression he had when he realized that the two kids who've only spent four days total in hs, and can barely read English let alone Aramaic, needed him...priceless moment.
- I did love the moment between Stefan and Elena because it for once wasn't all about their epic love. It was as close to just being down to earth and real, as they've gotten in some time. But why did none of the supernatural scooby doo gang consider the possibility that there is only enough of the cure for one? Fans called that practically the moment we learned about that thing, and the fact that all of last week's episode was spent exploring who would take what and do what with it etc, and it wasn't technically even considered among them then...these kids aren't bright.
-I actually had hoped they'd just kill Tyler. He's gone again. Shocker. Overall, I'm indifferent to Tyler but even his hybrid storyline was relatively insignificant and had run it's course eons ago. Killing Tyler would have trimmed the fat of the series because there are just too many damn characters, it would have kinda put the kabosh on the Klausoline stuff but not really, it would have had some impact...okay maybe not the last one, but it would have been a nice move. I also would have killed off Matt, because he's the supportive human friend and we kinda love him for being comforting and his homelessness makes everyone feel better about their sucky finances, but he's also realistically disposable. Again, trim the fat.
-Why was Shane so surprised that no one would save him? Umm really Shane? You aren't charming enough to pull off doing ridiculously outrageous and traitorous shizz but still being likable, you know, like the Salvatore brothers...or half of the Mikaelson clan. But I wanted to fistbump the hell out of Bonnie Badass Bennett for finally coming dangerously close to losing her shizz and threatening to kill the guy herself. And I mean Ia real fistbump, not the kind where I say it's a fistbump to the fist but I'm really thinking fistbump to the face. I'm assuming that Bonnie isn't dead...because she's the only witch in their crew and she's the only "witch' wink wink, in the series that's a regular and the racial politics of this show are murky at best. I mean it could go that way that, if anyone of the series could get a crappy death where you never actually see her die and the others don't really give a crap five minutes later, it would be Bonnie. Sorry B.B. I wonder how she explained to her father that she was going halfway around the globe. School field trip? I wonder how she'll explain getting shanked.
-Jeremy has become my favorite Gilbert because Elena is...well, she's Elena, nuff said. I've enjoyed him throughout all of this even though he's been a human plot device. He and Bonnie are meant for each other. But as distracted as I get when he takes his shirt off it hasn't been lost on me that he hasn't had the opportunity to show off just how badass he can be as a hunter. He's a baby hunter. A man child. His skills were less than desirable and it was never as abundantly clear as how easily he was kidnapped last week and how easily his neck got snapped this week. I wanted to see him put up more of a fight and be a bit more badass...like human jer when he was hacking a hybrid to pieces on the front porch. I've loved watching jer but for the most part he's just been there...walking around with his shirt off, letting folks fondle him, harboring all this impressive strength that he hasn't really used, trying to kill his sister cousin on occasion but even that isn't impressive because who hasn't thought about or tried to kill Elena a few times? Friends included.. So if he's dead, well, that really sucks because he was becoming something pretty fantastic. If he isn't then, hey, business as usual. In another world Elena's self consumed ass would totally be hauled in and questioned because all of her family either disappears or dies. All of them. There is no one left. It would have been soo much cooler if the law in this town weren't in the know, because trying to balance out all the leaves falling off of your family tree, while trying to graduate despite not attending school except during dances, and being a vampire despite not wanting to be a vampire, and being torn between two hot old millionaires, while trying to not be brought in for murder would have been soooo much more interesting to watch. Just sayin.
-I wonder who they'll cast as Si...zzzz. I'm thinking a ridiculously attractive thirty year old who may or may not have a Western European accent (by way of Australia). I am curious to see where it goes from here, now that they've found the cure and Silas is loose, and Katherine is involved, and etc.
-I want to say that Jeremy getting his neck snapped and Katherine returning was super surprising but it kinda wasn't. There was speculation about somebody "dying" and it being huge, and all signs pointed to Jer because they wouldn't kill off most of the other people, and his dead would have impact because....the life expectancy of a Gilbert who isn't Elena with the magic hooha, is shot to hell in a handbasket. Plus, we know Elijah is coming back later on, and Katherine well that was just inevitable. I suppose the surprise was in seeing in crammed into the last thirty seconds with both of them happening at once.
Valentine's Day done right. Death, destruction, massacres, and pretty people.
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@blue,... enjoyed your cmnt immensely,... _''So does this mean that Bonnie will never get laid?'',... my thoughts exactly,... when Jeremy got killed I thought damn it,... girl,... you should not have wasted so much time on foreplay,... _ I did not realize that,... but yes Caroline did not show any interest at what has become of her witch friend,... _''Too torn up about Tyler, too busy missing Stefan, to turned on by Klaus.'' _ I too wanted to see Jeremy grow into his role as a professional tank-ripper,... his departure was untimely,... but he made his mark on TV forever,... we will never again see a white wife beater without thinking of him,... well done,... << JerHulk>>
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Oh how he wore those tees well. Is it inappropriate to hope that they bury him shirtless? I mean considering that if he's really dead they'll probably have Damon dig up a grave in the overflowing Gilbert family plot and dump him unceremoniously in there with no one being none the wiser.
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I don't know,... I rarely go for necrophilia,... so IF he is dead I do not care how he is treated,... but they never grieve anyone,... right?,... Klaus had an actual emotional scene when Kol died and that's that,...
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All I said after viewing this episode was: YES!! I’ve been waiting for that cad, Jeremy, to get killed off this show for three damn seasons and, at last, season 4 did him in. I can’t wait for next weeks episode where we’ll hopefully get a Jeremy montage (here’s an image of him smoking crack, here’s him kissing that twelve year old girl… what’s her name, Anna, here’s him as a sixteen year old, my… doesn’t he look old for his age).
Also, they brought Katherine back! Is it me, or is Katherine much hotter than Elena. Ya, I get it, they’re the same actress, but I remember immediately knowing when ‘Elena’ was actually Katherine. Aside from TVD intuition, you know ‘Elena’ is actually Katherine when suddenly ‘Elena’ has better make up on, less frizzy hair, and has lost 15 pounds. I swear, when Katherine first meets up with Bonnie and Jeremy I shouted “It’s Katherine” because suddenly ‘Elena’s’ hair is straightened and her make-up looks better. The real Elena is always frumpy and wearing some cardigan mess.
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because Elena needs to lose 15 pounds.....

but yeah Katherine is a beast!!! Nina is just a better actor when she's not Elena imo
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In the words of the Holy Price, 'Klaus is Goodness, Klaus is the way, etc. etc.' LOL, talking about Tyler's sire bond. :) MISS U PRICE!!!!!!
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oh my God,... I laughed so hard,... <3,... I checked his tumblr,... nothing,... I though for sure he would make sth,... :(
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Guess I maybe in the minority but I enjoyed the bit players in this eppy, Bonnie, Caroline and Tyler. All I could think when Bonnie and Jeremy were in the rabbit hold was "should've listened to your parents", because truly Bonnie seems to always rush in to save the day and usually get the raw end of the stick. And I enjoyed Tyler and Caroline, I like the loyalty that Caroline has for Tyler and they really can't catch a break. Unlike most, not that fascinated with Klaus, he just seems a little too angry all the time. Stefan has come into his own away from Elena. I don't want her to take the cure because I fear we will get the old Stefan back; right now he's a mixture of the old and new and I like it. Had a feeling that was Katherine when she didn't immediately go to Bonnie's side after helping Jeremy. Agree it would be harsh to have Elena lose another family member, hopefully Bonnie can recover and resurrect Jeremy. It's not good when I barely remember Damon was in the eppy, he's been neutered.
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AGREED,... except the Klaus part,.... I LOVE this Stefan,... Stefan was not boring,... whoever is with Elena immediately drinks the boring water from her lips,... hence this Damon,...
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I'm still not buying Jer's death. Yes, I believe he's "dead, dead" but I think the Silas raising the dead thing may play a part in him coming back, even if briefly since we can't really have all the dead really being raised for good.

Interesting ep. Glad to see Katherine, it took long enough! Don't care that Tyler's on the run although it is pretty darn lame. I couldn't even get invested in their goodbye scene. I was like "really, AGAIN?? who friggn CARES?" Tyler has just gotten so weak as a character to me. I'm happy to see him go at this point. He can come back once he gets some real balls.

Hopefully Bonnie isn't powerful just as a plot device again and gets to actually KEEP her friggn powers! AND hopefully they don't make her have to somehow sacrifice herself to save Jeremy as I wouldn't put it past this show to do that for real this time.
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Silas taking over as the new big bad and Klaus being more merciful is acceptable but Jeremy's death is just not right...I wish they keep him around for season finale instead of just killing him off middle of the show. Katherine came back to the show is a good plot turning point which I want her back to the show for a long time. Tyler goes into hiding again, 3 originals left on the show and one cure which Katherine took it for herself with unknown intentions...the show has become more and more unpredictable.
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3 recappers and all three of you like Elena? I think she has become insufferable. Now that Katherine is back, let the brothers compete over the awesome version of the Petrova doppelganger.
I also don't understand what they are setting up for the future. I have wanted Jeremy dead for a while but if he dies, Tyler is really gone, all the Originals are going to NO, what are they going to do with TVD? The triangle is stale. And what about Caroline, aka the most interesting character?
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She's not the MOST likeable character, but up to this season she was one of the good guys and the glue that held all of the other characters together. She's out protagonist. I can't figure out why on earth so many people dislike her.
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She's in a problematic place right for sure, but she's still the main character. I don't think any of us admitted to a dying allegiance to the character. She's made some terrible choices lately, but she's also faced multiple lifetime's worth of pain, so.
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The moral high ground worked for her before she started committing mass homicide. After that, insufferable, at least for me :)
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Just three things:
- Prof. Shane, you have did all this mess, and then, as a jerk, became lame at the final rush?
- Vaugh, another Beagles boys! Your great purpose: to trigger a nuclear bomb (harmless for 2000 years) in order to neutralize the same with the cure! It's your idea or Stefan's ones?
- I hope we won't see Tyler, at least, for the next three seasons.

Greetings from Italy
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Elena did this mess,...
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"He's a killer. She is awesome" - best slogan for the Klaroline triangle, which I am fully on board after this episode!
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I'm now picturing a bad sitcom opening sequence, horrible theme song included, with the two of them. HIJINKS.
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GOOD promo,... triangle no more,... Tyler is out,...
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''Damon spent the episode tied up. Yeeeeeeeeep. Even TVD wants to see Ian Somerhalder in the Fifty Shades of Grey movie. —NK '' very nice, very nice indeed
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