The Vampire Diaries "We All Go a Little Mad Sometimes" Review: Fears for Tears (PHOTO RECAP)

The Vampire Diaries S04E06: "We All Go a Little Mad Sometimes"

People are heartbroken today, and that's okay. Even I, a robot that was thrown together by a drunken scientist after a particularly hasty visit to a Pick-A-Part scrap yard, can still get sad over a TV show. Background: Before I started recapping this incredible television program we call The Vampire Diaries, I lived in blissful ignorance of the entire shipping phenomenon. It never occurred to me that I was supposed to choose a particular side of the love triangle and root for them with the focused intensity of a Green Beret. It just plum didn't occur to me! Can't they all just be characters who make relatable human decisions? Why do I HAVE to choose which relationship I prefer? Don't demand that I choose between Coke or Pepsi when my preference is PIZZA. Anyway, as it turns out I apparently have become a shipper, but only when I say something negative about Stefan or Damon, and their respective fans accuse me of shipping the other one. Relax stans, both of those dudes have problems, and by far the biggest problem they share in common is Elena. But anyway, by design this show is mercurial; it wants us to change our opinions about the characters because that's how real life works. We have to be mad at Ripper Stefan so that it's more powerful when Hero Stefan returns. We have to see Damon be sensitive sometimes so that it's more surprising when he's a dick. It's just the basic ebb and flow of character development and I see no need to stage online protests or send actual hate-tweets to real life people over fictional characters. So yeah, unless you do it to be funny or tongue in cheek, let's throw hardcore shipping in the garbage? Life is too short, babygirl.

That being said, I will admit to feeling very sad about Elena and Stefan's and Caroline and Tyler's breakups in "We All Go a Little Mad Sometimes." I don't ship characters as a rule (except maybe Jeremy and Klaus but HAHA see I'm kidding, try it sometime) but that doesn't mean I can't have tons of feels when a relationship reaches a fraught (albeit obviously temporary) conclusion as these two did this week. And yeah, I'll admit I even felt a degree of sympathy for shippers who have become so incredibly invested in the "Stelena" relationship. This was probably a pretty tough episode in that regard. I too will probably feel the same sort of heart wrenching, stomach twisting agony if my preferred One Direction ship doesn't come true (which haha that's a joke (I THINK (I DON'T KNOW ANYMORE))). And while I've been an on-the-record supporter of everybody on The Vampire Diaries just breaking up and being teens and making mistakes of the heart on the regular, I'm grown up enough to admit that my opinions about the characters and relationships are as mercurial as the show itself, which, again, is by design. Sometimes I think Stefan and Elena make a great pair. Sometimes I think Damon should win over the boring lady of his dreams. Sometimes I think a bloodthirsty villain like Klaus is capable of goodness and could someday earn a place in Caroline's heart. Other times I think Caroline should not date bloodthirsty villains and should stick to good-hearted shirtless bro-hunks (bronks).

Anyway, I am sorry to make this about me, but this felt like an especially relevant episode in which to discuss shipping! Basically being too focused on a single relationship can make you miss out on the good stuff that's happening in the bigger picture (in this case a truly stellar bit of character development for Elena). And also, you know, this is a serialized drama, so nothing is permanent. The ups, downs, changes, and shakeups are the essence of good TV. Anyway, I REALLY enjoyed this episode. Ships sank, it hurt my heart, but I am choosing to be entertained by it rather than ruined by it. Personal preference!

OK let's get into it!

As heavily implied by last week's illusory cliffhanger, when Elena murdered Connor she basically cursed herself to forever see bloody bathroom fixtures and also angry Connor haunting her every step. After a night of fitful sleep, she decided to throw in the towel and just nuke a cup of coffee, but was interrupted by a bloody-necked dead guest star!

But this wasn't just a normal imaginary enemy, no, he was actually able to grab Elena and jostle her around. Of course, Elena's so thin that basically a gentle breeze can grab her and jostle her around, but still. She had no choice but to resort to some VERY sharp CGI!

I don't know about you, but were you rattled by how graphic this was? We knew it was fake (especially the cartoon knife) but it's still not very often when you see a close up of man getting stabbed in the neck with a kitchen knife. Brutal! But there was a sick twist:

IT WAS ACTUALLY JEREMY! And he was REAL! And his Platonic-Ideal-of-a-neck got STABBED! Fatally! By his own sister!

Fortunately Elena's a literal monster now so his ring brought him back to life the next morning.

Haha I loved how a big point was made about how Elena FINALLY killed a human being (with supernatural powers and ill intent, but still) but nobody stopped to wonder who her SECOND victim might be: Her own BROTHER! I don't care that he came back to life and now his brain is even slightly more broken than before (R.I.P. the Mystic Falls slasher) and he now has the memory of his own sister stabbing his perfect, perfect neck with a huge cartoon knife. That seems like it might end up being permanently traumatic in my opinion. It's no wonder that Elena slipped out of the room slightly before he resurrected and then didn't even bother to bound downstairs and apologize. Nope, for her it as all about shouting at Stefan and taking a shower.

Yeah, Elena was still kinda pissed about Stefan's allegiance to Klaus in the previous episode, and she was not very sympathetic when he tried to pull one of those "I can't tell you why, you just have to trust me" ploys. Has that EVER worked? If your significant other asked you to just trust them without asking questions, would you EVER actually do that? No you wouldn't, because trust actually means being honest up front and trusting that they'll keep the secret. Not being honest indicates LACK of trust. P.S. You can read more of my opinions about relationships in my new self-help e-book, I'M SO LONELY.

Back at the Lockwood Werewolf Crash Pad, Hayley and a couple of other hybrid redshirts were mourning a fallen comrade by getting absolutely blasted in the A.M. And even though we'd come to accept that Hayley was probably a stand-up chick who just liked to chill with outdoorsy bros, this little gesture spoke volumes:

Yeah, you don't just go touching bros' lips unless you want them pressed against your face, neck, and body. Hayley's definitely horny for Tyler, you guys!!

So at this point Klaus showed up, followed shortly by Caroline who unceremoniously gave Tyler all his sh*t back. It was this big dramatic showing and Klaus totally bought into it:

Actually he was pretty chill about Tyler and Caroline's "breakup" despite being visibly stoked. For those of you who are unabashed Klaus fans (I'm looking at you, mirror), this was a fantastic episode for him. He had a lot of great scenes and his villainy was perfectly balanced with his more heroic nature that I love so much. So anyway, yeah, he bought the ruse and then took off.

But it had all been a scam! Tyler and Hayley want to keep their Underground Werewolf Railroad going, so Caroline graciously agreed to help keep up the charade of Hayley and Tyler's burgeoning romance. Except...

Hayley DEFINITELY wants Tyler. But I loved how this plotline was unfolding. Except for that sexy lip-wipe move from earlier, it's clear that Hayley probably didn't have an intention of breaking anyone up. She just has feelings she can't contain. So she's still likable in my opinion (and would become even more so later in her dealings with Klaus.) Anyway, I just wanted to say how relieved I am that this show has presented Hayley as a new love interest for Tyler (and competition for Caroline of all people) without making her a villain. That's hard to do! In my head I am already skipping to the part where Hayley and Caroline are both over Tyler and they become besties. Fingers crossed!

At this point Klaus showed up at Elena's house because he had some info that might prove beneficial to her. And while we know he'd like to keep Elena alive in order to turn her human again, I still got the impression that Klaus' motivations verged on empathetic here.

Because HE had killed FIVE hunters, remember? That's five ghost jerks just hassling him nonstop for a long time. So even though, sure, he wanted to preserve Elena's life, I dug that his helpfulness was also vaguely because he didn't want her to go through what he had.

By the same token, however, I appreciated the hypocrisy of Klaus pretending he wanted betterment for anybody, especially saying this to Stefan of all people.

Meanwhile at school, I have no idea WTF was happening there. All the classes were cancelled so that some college professor could set up some dioramas in the cafeteria? No idea. Anyway Jeremy and Matt shared a moment in which Jeremy divulged the presence of his new ghost tattoo.

I loved that Matt seemed unsurprised for the most part. It's like, why bother? Just accept any crazy old thing that people tell you at face value. It gives you more time to comb your hair.

I have no caption for this above picture, I mostly just wanted to point out how aesthetically appealing Matt's ensemble is. Those colors are exactly the right palette for his complexion! Way to go, Matt! He is really starting to clean up well.

Anyway, their convo got interrupted:

Oh it was Professor Shane whose first name is ATTICUS and he sometimes wears DEEP-Vs. Haha this show and its sexy teachers. Anyway, Professor Atticus Shane, everyone.

Meanwhile, after another set of hallucinations caused Elena to attack Damon, Klaus up and snatched her away so that he could lock her in the world's fanciest jail cell. But it wasn't so much villainous as it was TOTALLY THOUGHTFUL. Apparently the biggest part of this curse is that it makes you want to kill yourself, so Klaus had the windows bricked over so that Elena couldn't take off her ring and give herself a vampire sunburn.

He even opened up to her about his experience. His curse lasted 56 years (!) and he still had no idea why it up and stopped all of the sudden. He also warned her that her hallucinations would get stranger and more manipulative, so she should watch out.

And after Connor hassled her some more, he morphed into someone approximately 1 million times awesomer:

Katherine! Well, hallucination Katherine. But I'll take it!

THIS GUY!! Where on earth had he parked his motorcycle this time? Did he stand on the seat while driving? Lord.

So then Professor Shane gave the high school a lecture that was very specifically about what will probablyyyy lead to the introduction of a big bad character later this season. Some immortal and/or dead warlock named Silas who is the world's most powerful creature or whatever. Who knows. All I know is his legend arrived accompanied by a MacGuffin that was basically just a big rock (that I am PRAYING contains a geode) with the word "Silas" written on it. (LOL TVD writers.) At first I was like, "Wait, giving this special presentation to the high school makes no sense." Until I realized that this actually made SO MUCH sense, because if the students learn anything this year, it might as well be about the supernatural creature that will pretty soon destroy the last remaining shreds of happiness in their soon-to-end lives. This was basically just a public service announcement. In L.A. we get earthquake drills. In Mystic Falls you get lectures about primordial warlocks.

Oh, right, April was there too! I can't remember why. Hold on. Ummmm. I feel like it had something to do with... You know what, it's not coming to me. But April was definitely there as you can clearly see in the above screengrab. I'm not lying about that—Oh wait, I think she was there because... Nope, can't remember. Oh well.

Meanwhile, back in Elena's rococo prison, Fake Katherine was bringing up some very compelling points:

It was like that a lot, but peppered with Fake Katherine explicitly telling Elena that now that Elena was a vampire Stefan would never love her. Oh come on, Fake Katherine, there is no way you actually care about that stuff. And YOU seem pretty cool with vampirism. Elena should've known right then and there that this was not the real Katherine, but instead she got super mad and tried to tackle her and it was very LOL:

Haha Crazy Elena definitely had her charms in this episode. All stabby and tackly.

Meanwhile at the high school Damon was chillin' in Alaric's old classroom and drinking booze that was STILL in Alaric's desk drawer?

Quick question: Was the town aware that Alaric had died? I mean obvs he had that tombstone in the cemetery, but had the school been notified? Or did they just cordon off his classroom to preserve it in his memory? WHAT IS UP with this high school?

At this point Bonnie and Damon summoned Professor Shane and got his advice about Elena's curse by showing him the sketch of the tattoo from the guy that Professor Shane had sent to this town and who was now most likely dead because the original question involved a curse brought forth by the death of a hunter so the hunter was probably dead. (TMI?) Anyway, he took it well and was honest about what was going on: You kill a hunter, that hunter will haunt your brain until you die. And it'll only stop after the NEW hunter kills his or her first vampire. In this case, word had already spread that Jeremy was a "Potential" and so now he needed to kill a(nother) vampire to get fully activated.

So at this point Stefan had decided he wanted to bust Elena out of her safe room and he used Caroline to distract Klaus over that Grill. That meant a low-cut top and a seemly out-of-nowhere friendliness toward him that by now he probably associates with a scheme being afoot. But they still had a fun rapport. And there was this knee-weakener of a moment when Klaus told Caroline that if he still had sway over Tyler, he would've commanded him to treat Caroline right.

And her reaction to this weird confession made my heart skip a beat:

This was a GREAT episode for reaction shots, let me tell you. These kids are a strong bunch of actors already, but moments like these where they express so much with just a glance are what make me love this show and TV in general. Just sheer, full-frontal humanity.

I'm obviously conflicted with how exactly someone as bright and good as Caroline can ever fall for someone with such a tarnished soul as Klaus', but that's perhaps why this particular matchup thrills me so much: IT'S SO WRONG. I basically have to watch it through my fingers, but it's an undeniable thrill to see something so wrong on paper still make me want to see what happens next. You know? I don't know if I'm explaining it that well. It definitely feels like this matchup is outrageous and dangerous but that might be why it's so loaded with possibility. I don't know. I'm sure my opinion about this will keep changing, just like this show wants it to.

So while Caroline was distracting Klaus, Stefan went and got the keys from the hybrid tasked with guarding Elena (and who, as we learned, had been un-sired from Klaus by Hayley). Anyway, Stefan should've known that being trapped in this room was in Elena's best interest, but Klaus had decided to keep it a secret? Ugh, with the secrets already! Anyway, here we were, Stefan busting out his mentally ill girlfriend for no good reason:

And she immediately stabbed him with the leg from her bed frame!

Typical vampire romance stuff.

So then Elena ran out into the night where she got hassled by Katherine, Connor, and then, finally, some dead brunette:

Oh right, it was Elena's mom! I think we'd seen her for a few minutes back in the S3 finale, but still, this was probably a more profound moment for Elena than for us. Especially when this lady started saying the same old stuff:

But apparently hearing her own mother tell her how awful she was finally wore Elena down. That's when she took off her daylight ring and threw it right off Wickery Bridge!

(This town really ought to just dam up that river and dismantle the bridge already, it's just not worth it.) But anyway, that's when Damon arrived, and he was NOT a hallucination:

But was it too late for Elena to not kill herself?

Meanwhile at Tyler's Werewolf Crash Pad, Klaus arrived to hassle the hybrid who had helped Elena escape.

That's when Hayley stepped up to Klaus and it was pretty great:

Great specifically because Hayley ain't no wallflower you guys! I like a strong woman. But I also loved that Klaus kinda dug her moxie also. Part of him is probably pretty tired of everyone being so scared of him all the time that he must find it downright refreshing for people to sass him right back.

But it was all ruse anyway, as Caroline had spilled the beans to Klaus that Elena's curse wouldn't be broken until Jeremy had vampire blood spattered on his face. So they had arranged for this particular hybrid to be the sacrificial lamb (lamb = a hybrid).

So yeah, Jeremy worked his magic with his hatchet and the werewolves in attendance were NOT HAPPY. Because to them that was just a regular murder of one of their own, all to just prevent another girl from trying to commit suicide. Didn't seem like a fair tradeoff! These past few episodes have tried to convince us that only human deaths count, but that is easily the craziest suggestion this show has tried to convince us of in a while. So you're telling me that vampires and werewolves are worthy of falling in love with, but their deaths aren't a big deal? Elena had personally killed monsters in the past, but it was HUMAN murder that truly rattled her? None of this makes sense, and I liked that this episode kind of admitted as much. Don't tell us monsters are living breathing creatures with feelings and then pretend their deaths don't mean anything.

But whatever, now that Jeremy had activated his hunter-ness, Elena immediately felt less compelled to commit suicide. Unfortunately, she'd thrown her sunlight ring in the river just as the sun began to rise:

Fortunately Damon did some quick thinking!

That's when the episode went to commercial, which was funny because we didn't see the presumably awful ordeal of Elena holding herself under water for a long time while Damon vampire-scuba dived for her ring. Nope, the magic of television just put us right into Elena's bedroom a few hours later:

And that's when her weird, standoffish relationship with Damon suddenly got a little less so.

This time, instead of getting awkward and pushing him away, Elena seemed positively stoked for all that Damon had done for her, and became even more so when he very maturely tried to make the case that Stefan was the one for her.

But he saved his best move for last when he revealed that this whole time they'd been trying to find a cure for her vampirism. BOOM! THAT is how you get to a self-hating vampire lady's heart!

Yeah, now Stefan's gonna REALLY feel foolish for having kept that a secret. Anyway, the point was, something in Elena had changed over the course of the hallucination, and specifically it meant she was a little more clear-eyed about her wants and priorities, and there was now a good chance that Damon could be classified as a "want." It wasn't so much a revelation as an acceptance, an acknowledgment that self-control can only get you so far when your heart wants something else.

Oh, but then this happened: Caroline came back and had to face the music with Tyler for having conspired to murder one of Tyler's friends (a legitimately terrible transgression, in my opinion). And OH BTW Caroline had ALSO agreed to go on a date with Klaus.

But Tyler WAS NOT having it! He threw a glass against the wall and everything! For her part Caroline looked pretty shattered also, but in this case both of them had compelling arguments and it looked like their relationship was about to be thrown onto the pyre of circumstance. Poor kids! Maybe they are both better off.

Meanwhile Matt—who is now apparently Mystic Falls' answer to Huggy Bear—told Damon that April had told him that her dead father had been besties with Professor Shane. Dun-dun-dunnnn!

And even though it was the next morning, Professor Shane and Bonnie were still hanging out? That's not inappropriate! Anyway, he was telling her all kinds of stuff about how witches are the best and witches will inherit the earth, etc. Sounded very witch-political to me.

But this is where the episode got REALLY heavy. Well, maybe not heavy. But emotional and potentially game-changey. Elena and Stefan broke up!

Elena came clean about the fact that over the course of the past few months she'd grown closer to Damon and now that she was a vampire her feelings for him have become off the charts. Surprisingly, Stefan not only understood (he loves talking about vampires' heightened emotions so much), he rightfully took some of the blame for this due to the fact that he'd been an epic monster toward her in the recent past and had basically driven her into Damon's arms.

Okay, I just made a joke of the whole thing, but if you watched this scene you saw a restrained, mature, clear-eyed breakup the likes of which we rarely see on television. The most diabolical part about this was in making Stefan so chill about it, the writers made him so much more decent and deserving of happiness than before the breakup. I felt bad for him! But in a good way: This is how breakups often are in real life; if you're lucky you have the option of letting them bring out the best in you. For people who like Stefan the best, this scene should be read as a bit of a victory for the content of his character. For fans of Damon, obviously, it's a victory in how his essential goodness actually got results.

But shipping aside, the most important aspect here was Elena's self-actualization. This was an audience surrogate whose emotional inner life remained mostly static over the course of three seasons and is only now starting to bloom into something more complicated. Not only does it make her more compelling and empathetic, it sets the stage for an even richer, more authentic series of romantic travails in the future. If we're on her side we care more deeply about what happens to her. Oh, and Nina Dobrev's delivery of the line "I know"? Absolute perfection. Both of these actors knocked it out of the park (baseball terminology meaning they did a great job). I may not have been shipping this couple or any couple outside of One Direction, but I am still a human being(-shaped robot) and I want what's best for everyone. As sad as this scene was, I think it did show everyone's good sides and I have a strong feeling that no matter what happens between these three, they'll all eventually wind up in a much better place than where they began.

OK that's enough BYEEEE


QUESTIONS:

... U sad abt Stelena?

... U sad abt Tyroline?

... U happy abt Delena?

... U happy abt Klaroline?

... U worried abt Jeremy's neck?

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"That's how real life works"?? I think ur taking TVD too seriously Price.
And yet, ur accusing us of taking it too seriously when we want to ship somebody and asking us to chill out? "Life is too short babygirl"??
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I totally missed the boat this time on commenting, too damn busy lately. Anyhoo, here are my answers like I'm sure anyone cares lol.
U sad abt Stelena? surprisingly...kind of. I feel sorry for Stefan. It's very confusing this empathy for Stefan, came out of nowhere.

... U sad abt Tyroline? Not particularly. I'm kind of over them. I did like Tyler throwing the drink though, nice and dramatic.

... U happy abt Delena? No because I can almost guarantee nothing is going to come of it even now. So much more c*ck teasing to be done. sigh.

... U happy abt Klaroline? Eh, jury's out on how I feel about this. They have great chemistry though so I'm willing to ride where that ship takes me.

... U worried abt Jeremy's neck?
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Lol i love this review. It's funny.
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love Klaus and Caroline (Klaroline)
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About bloody time! She shoulda kicked Stefan to the kerb when he hit his ripper stage!
Stefan is either boring and soppy or a selfish dick. I don;t understand why people like him. Team Delana all the way!!
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thank you for the shout out to Sade, you just gained a million points
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1. I am a little sad about Stelena but I want to see Damon and Elena more as a couple.
2. I'm not sad about Tyroline. I want to see what happens between Klaus and Caroline.
3. I am happy about Delena.
4. I am a little happy about Klaroline. Even though I doubt Caroline will ever consider Klaus I still want to see what happens between them.
5. As for Jeremy's neck, he will be fine.
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Notes:
1. KLAROLINE is good but JOSEPH MORGAN is the best!!! I want to see him in EVERY scene, as much as possible!
2. Now I don't care about ships as I used to a couple of seasons ago but I'm still very glad about Delena. They will be together eventually, everybody knows it, but it's a good start FINALLY!
3. Miss Alaric very much. Forever. He was one of the best.
P.S. Just want to thank Price for mentioning one of my RPS OTPs - LARRY! It's real, people. Everybody should know it.
P.P.S. YES, I'm twenty smth. What?
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Poor Jeremy, the comic knife was so big i'm surprised it didn't stick out the other side...
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I was happy they ripped the band aid off so we weren't tortured half the season waiting for the breakup we all saw coming. We get to the fun part of watching Elena awkwardly try to date overprotective Damon while maintaining a friendship with Stefan, which you know she'll try to have. I foresee awkward moments, sexy moments, violent moments, angsty moments and that's just for Delena...
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The only thing I'm sad about is that Elena is a central character and no one can kill her once and for all. I can't remember a more annoying, infuriating, aggravating personage than this pathetic twit.
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I've wanted Damen and Elena together for 2-3 seasons now! Unfortunately, I don't think it will last because Stefan is Elena's "epic love" *sigh* Also, stoked to see Klaus and Caroline (: Can't wait for more blood and guts tonight!
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Is there a (super)natural law of physics that would be broken if Caroline, Rebekah and Hayley were all on screen at the same time? Other than our minds being blown, I can't think of a down side? So why, oh why, does Rebekah get a sproink as soon as Hayley shows up? I am not amused by this. I was however very amused by Matt's constant rebuffing of Rebekah's advances. I'm a fan of those two getting-it-on, but she definitely has some amends to make first... well, after she has been un-sproinked that is.
As for Elena, Damon and Stefan - I really don't care. I did like Elena's little trip to the almost-dark side at the party with Damon, so the thought that we could get a slightly less uptight Elena makes me err on the side of Damon. But I really just like the fact that they are acting like young adults, despite the fact that two of the three are around 160 odd years old.
So, on to Caroline and Tyler; Firstly, Candice Accola was fantastic in this episode; Secondly, Tyler and Hayley mourning the loss of two of they friends while Caroline just saw the two dead as meaningless corpses was some fantastic writing and clearly the first step in driving a wedge between the two of them. The writers seem to have addressed some of my little pet peeves from the last season or so, most of which were mention above by Price. As for Caroline, Tyler, Hayley, Klaus; I think we can all agree that Tyler and Hayley are going to hook up so it's really just a question of Caroline and Klaus. On one level I hope Caroline resists, she can do better than a 2000 year old mass-murdering sociopath. On another, could you imagine how awesome a let-loose, morally ambiguous Caroline would be?
I don't really like discussing the relationships on this show; I’m much more interested in the blurry line dividing the fight between good and evil. Now that Jeremy has become a hunter I assume he will acquire the same urges to kill vampires that the last hunter had, which will only strain the relationship with his big sis and the rest of the Scooby gang. And what of his resurrection ring? Surely he is now a supernatural being so it won't work, which means no more stabbing him in the neck *Elena*!
I'm a big fan of seeing Rebekah's more compassionate side and her attempts to woo Matt and burgeoning friendship with April were great at showing the flip-side to her "sass-coin" (I hope I never say that, ever again). The Rebekah/April friendship also gave April more of a purpose, which is great news for Grace Phipps, a good young actress who is currently being grossly underused.
As some of the comments below have mentioned the City Council were woe-fully underused. They could have been a strong force in the ever multiplying sides of the Mystic Falls battle royal and could have provided some much need authority to the town, hopefully including its police presence and teaching facilities.
What have I forgotten? Oh yeah, Bonnie.
See you next week TVD Photo Recaps.
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Maybe there is a limit to the number of Australian actresses per TVD episode? Personally, I think we traded up when we got Hayley.
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Deal! Bring them back already!!!! And yes "Mayor" Lockwood is more useless than "Sheriff" Forbes. I didn't think about the little meetings between Damon & Liz at the bar - always at the bar. I wonder if we'll see scorch marks next time?
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But, but the Damon/Liz conversations can be pretty fun. If we're removing unnecessary characters/parents, let's jettison Carol "Mayor" Lockwood. Also, *you* may have Rebekah back when *I* get more Elijah, deal?
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I never thought about the nationality ratio. Can we swap Rebekah with Sheriff Forbes? She's never on the show anymore and I know that Marguerite MacIntyre isn't an Aussie but, really, who cares?
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Loved the recap Price. Not sad bout Stelena. Happy how they handled it though. Not sad bout Tyroline. Was tired of them together for a while now. Still LOVE Caroline and looking forward to seeing what develops between Klaroline. I always loved TV Damon and Elena more than the book Damon and Elena. With the books, I always supported Stefan and Elena and hated Damon and Elena. I am happy to see what develops with Delena. LOL, Jeremy's neck?? His neck will be fine.
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Hello All. This is my first time commenting, but I loved this episode so much I wanted to join in. :)

First off, Price your recaps are amazing, they keep me laughing from week to week. You are great!

I noticed a lot of people were upset with Caroline this episode. I understand the reasoning, but this isn't the first time Caroline's got her hands dirty. Or should that be bloodied? Lol. Remember when Mason informed the Sheriff about Damon and Stefan? Caroline had no problem kicking Mason's ass and going for the jugular of those deputies. The thing about Caroline is she does things for the sake of ALL her friends, not just Elena, unlike Damon, or even Stefan, who will kill ANYONE, even Elena's own friends. Put anyone else from their group in Elena's place (with the exception of Damon...maybe) and Caroline's actions would have been the same. If you combine that with the fact that a vampire HAD to die, Caroline had no choice. Keep in mind that Elena was a danger to not only herself, but the people around her. Exhibit A: Jeremy, Exhibit B; Stefan. She could have went on a hallucinating induced killing spree. (that may have been more interesting then the bridge...)

I think the issue this episode wasn't that Caroline pulled a 180, it was the execution of it. Caroline never gets included on these plans, she's always dragged in after the fact with little to no information. (This does not include the Stake the Originals campaign in the woods last season where everyone received training LOL). The fact that the producers didn't give us this scene was a huge disservice to her character. Damon and Stefan always do the dirty work, but Caroline is a vampire now as well and we've already seen her grow up so much because of it, why didn't we get to see her make the tough decision? I'm sure there was a great internal and verbal debate there with Klaus which would have made for an even better scene between them. And I'm not saying that just because I wanted to see who blackmailed the date...okay, I did want to see that, but still! The text message from Stefan said he was going to turn someone, but Klaus probably was about to as well. I'm sure whatever unlucky, individual in the Grill who happened to be within in arms length was a goner. Caroline probably begged him not to though.Why should Klaus make more vamps and drag another innocent into their sadistic world, when he already has some in his possession? It's not like Klaus really cares about the hybrids in that regard and Caroline knows that.

As far as Klaus sacrificing a hybrid, I think that whole protecting Tyler thing was bs. He's not sired to Klaus anymore, plus he helped to dessicate him, so Tyler's useless. But oh wait, he's Caroline's boo! This means if Klaus protects Tyler then Klaus gets brownie points with Caroline. Am I the only one who realized that? Also, Klaus is selfish, he doesn't want some random ass hunter killing what's his. They are expendable only to him.

Questions: 1) I'm on the fence. Sometimes they annoy me, but I do like emotional scenes between them like the break up, the roof, and the silent phone call from S3 although some of Elena's speech was a little much in that last night...

2) Not really. I enjoyed the build up of them WAY more then the actual relationship. Seems like a lot of sex and not much else which is sad. Also, I know Caroline's not a good liar supposedly, but Klaus has love goggles on so Tyler should have told her about Hayley a while ago. This whole plan sounds fishy to me.

3) Yes. Damon makes her more fun and interesting which she needs desperately. Maybe Damon could be to Elena what vampirism was to Caroline.

4) Yup! This would be a balance btwn light and dark personified in a relationship. Very interesting.The thing about Klaus is he's that abused child who never gets saved and grows up into a criminal. Add the aggressive werewolf gene, vampire bloodlust, and 1,000 years on this crazy earth, and you've got the most violent/cynical person ever. He kind of needs the goodness that is Caroline. Maybe she can finally fill that void of his.

5) LOL more worried about his brain and psych. That magical ring combined with the magical, ghost tattoo...no bueno
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I really disliked this episode because of Jeremy, Caroline and Stefan (three characters I’ve always liked—well, almost always in Stefan’s case) being so evil.
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Can you guys help me out with one thing? I'm a bit confused, (as usual...) do vampires' hearts beat? I remember a scene in season one where they mention that they don't but when they "kill" Klaus in the end of season three you can clearly hear his heartbeats. Am I missing something or have they made a mistake? :)
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TVD vamps hearts beat/don't beat as needed for "plot" points.
Six months with the ACP and you should probably be used to nonsense like this. Sorry, love, but asking questions usually just makes our heads hurt. :)
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Yes, their hearts beat. Otherwise all vampires would know when before it was Katherine and not Elena because of no heartbeat. And in 2.11 Katherine specifically told Stefan that when a vampire desiccates, their heart beat slows down.
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Well, I think that's one of the strange things about vampires in every vampire related show. They are supposed to be dead and their hearts don't beat, but they produce and circulate blood, which of course needs the heart alongside with other parts. I guess it's all part of the supernatural existence of vampires...
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I don't understand how I can like this show so much while thinking the main character is so terrible. Like Elana is bordering on Charlie levels of bad. And it's not even the actress because Katherine is awesome. Like I get that your entire family keeps dying, but stop being such a whiny little bitch. Talk about vampirism amplifying personality traits, she's whinier and bitchier than ever this season.
Harry Potter lost even more family that you, (you still have a brother despite your best efforts), and he walks it off like a champ while hardly complaining and defeating the greatest wizard of a generation. What do you do? Repeatedly stab everyone you love and complain about how hard it is to be you. #charlie&elana=worst
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Pointers for TVD writers...

1.Bring Klaus and Caroline together already, stop with the teasing.
2.Damon & Elena glances and sweet moments are getting annoying everytime, stop with teasing over this two as well, lets get it on.
3.If you're gonna bring Matt and Rebekah together do it already.
4. THIS IS STILL MY BIGGEST ISSUE. MAKE PROPER USE OF BONNIE BEING A WITCH. SHE HAS GOTTA BE THE LAMEST WITCH ON TV.!
5.If you're keeping Rebekah in a box somewhere then bring in another mean girl. BRING BACK KATHERINE ALREADY! She is by far the most interesting plot of this show.
6. MAKE USE of the COUNCIL as an ACTUAL THREAT. I was hopeful at the end of last season and at the beginning of this one, since alter-ego Ric betrayed the gang. Take note fro TRUE BLOOD, remember the Fellowship of the Sun and Rev.Newman. Awesome villain! Great Plot. BUFFY with the Watcher's Council, or Buffy vs. Principal Snider! Fantastic. The Halliwell Sisters vs. FBI/Homeland Security.... Even the aliens of Roswell had a great threat with FBI and secret sectors and the lot.... THe COUNCIL would be really great, aside from the teases in season 1, the council have been the lamest thing on this show...
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REBEKAH AND MATT!!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
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do you think they will ever have to face demons or angels in the upcoming seasons? after evil vampires, werewolfs, hybrids and hunters whats left?
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Have we noticed how dangerous it is to be black in this town? You are surely going to die if you are a black man and the black witches die and then get their after life killed too. Well, I suppose it's the same for asian vampires. I hope Bonnie is safe for a while.

I am happy about Klaroline! All Klaus needs is some good love. Right? Well, need it or not, I would like to see him get some.
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I missed a week of coming online and reading reviews . . . sorry about that! Price is great, as per usual.... #1 Yes, but it was GREAT for the drama of the story. #2 - yes, because he is SUCH a hunk! #3 - yes, ever since Rose's monlogue in the car to Jeremy I have thought they would end up together at some POINT, and especially since she's been a vampire.... #4 - I am happy about it, slightly. I don't want to see the changes in Caroline though, that would be required for her to truly fall for such a sick, twisted villain!! #5 - I am totally worried about Jeremy's beautiful neck, I hope it makes a full and complete recovery.... turkey will be no real substitute for my TVD fix this week, see you in two weeks.....
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Good Episode, I can't wait for more!
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1. I am a Delena fan but I was almost in tears when Stefan and Elena broke up. I love them both and you're right it just seemed so real and honest, it was a heartbreaker.
2.No. I am not sad about Tyroline. I'm sorry. I just do not like Tyler, I still don't forgive him for almost raping Vicky and then being a jerk and the whole Caroline-torture thing. But thats just me...
3. I am very happy about Delena. I don't know though. I feel like either its gonna be great or this huge hot mess. We'll see.
4. I am a huge Klaus fan. Love him to bits. I think it would be awesome to see him in a relationship. Plus I think Caroline is very curious about him in more ways than one.
6. Ahahahaha. How many times has Jeremy died? (Can we just recall how hilarious it was when the sheriff shot him) So many. So I'm not too concerned about his neck. I hope we see him go all hunter and then self sacrifice.
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You don't like Tyler, but you ship Klaus and Caroline yet he asked Tyler to bite her (so much for not hurting Caroline if Tyler was still sired to him. What crap)... There is no right kind of wrong or evil...Yes, Tyler was a douche, almost raped Vicky, but his character has grown remarkably. Also, the Caroline torture thing, he had just learnt about Vampires vs Werewolves, he was confused, and again, something he has changed about himself. Tyler and Caroline are the two TVD characters who have grown the most since the inception of this show. I think both characters are great. I'm a Tyler and Caroline fan, and therefore a FORWOOD fan, but I would like Caroline to get with Klaus, so it can shut all the Caroline and Klaus fans up for good, because it will definitely change the Caroline the fans love. I say bring it on, it will be great ratings and FORWOOD will be end game, just like STELENA.
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They are 18 year old kids who are going to live forever - the relationship is already tired. Forwood or what ever you want to call them is so not an end game relationship. You think their love can last a hundred lifetimes? YAWN!
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1: Nope (those drunk-ass scientists must have made me right after you)
2: Yes, because they had one of the most stable, romantic relationships of TVD, but...
3: OHHHH YEAHHHH. That blood-drunk dance scene at the college was a poor excuse for a spark of romance between Damon and Elena
4: Okay, I find Klaus really adorable and his thing for Caroline really sweet. I think he deserves a chance (plus, it's funny watching him always get bated by her, and I just wonder how their DATE will go. First kiss y'all?!)
5: Jeremy, your sweet neck...
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Also, I've been reading the comments and some of you are thinking about not watching the show anymore? Just because of some stupid love triangle? It is the underlying plot of the show but it's not the only plot. Let's love on Bonnie , people.
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Elena's earring's are the most ugliest and they just hang there and dangle... it disgusts me. I honestly didn't understand what Elena and Stefan were talking about in that last scene. Something about breaking up, Stefan being pretentious all of sudden using "Magnified" instead of heightened, and Elena's earrings... I just loved how her mother was all smiles and unicorns while telling her to kill herself.


I am not sad about Stelena. I don't care. I've never "shipped" anyone but Bonnie. I ship Bonnie. The Bonster. Though she been acting kind of boring lately. But yeah, since season 1 I didn't care who Elena picked. pfft.

Tyler mad about somebody who was a nobody? Tyler just wanted a reason to fight so he could officially slice dat cake with Hayley (I have no idea what "slicing that cake" implies) Caroline and Tyler were boring anyway. They just like having sex. Nymphos.

I'm not happy just mad I gotta wait two weeks for the next episode.

Again, not happy.

I just knew it was going be Jeremy's neck. I knew it! I don't see the big deal with Jeremy's neck though. He just still looks like a baby to me. Like when he's "Elena..." and rolls his eyes. I don't know, I'm done rambling.

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KLAROLINE!
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Ok I'm done! Cant take more of this Elena-Stefan-Damon crap anymore! Not to mention the utter ridiculousness of storylines. I get the whole suspension of disbelief but this is becoming a farce.
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God damnit, Price, you've done it to me again. I've had Everything But The Girl singing in my head for two days now.
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while i was reading the recap i actually wondered if you'll get stuck with some song again :-))
you could try listeting to this one to get rid of Everyting But The Girl ;-))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rYoRaxgOE0
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Stelena ? Not sad but a bit shocked. Don't you think it's a bit weird she turns out like that so shortly after choosing Stephen (just before dying) ? It's just not credible. But still, can't wait to see Elena with Damon.. or at least what will happen when she tells him and make a Katherine of herself by playing with them both all the time.
Good for Caroline, I would like her to fall for Klaus a bit, go for the bad guy just a while ;-)
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Oh and also, they have been hinting all this season that vampire elena connects better with damon than with stefan, and actually damon said that he is fine with both versions of elena whereas stefan can't wait for that cure to turn her back to human.. I don't know if it's for her own good or his. (this is the second reply I don't know in what order it will come up)
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I think they made it credible, because Elena has always shown some feelings for damon and as a human being she just had "better judgement" or whatever and decided to be with the man she has always loved, the "nice" brother.. but now that she's a vampire and "her emotions are heightened" (lol) she is finally letting herself explore those feelings with damon. Plus stefan did lie to her regardless the reason, dumb move. Anyways I'm no shipper, I love damon and I think he deserves better but so be it.. I hope you get my point and maybe now you don't think it was all of a sudden.
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Oh, Price the reason I love your recaps is because they make me think deeply about the show. Answers.
1. Not really, I mean I love Stefan but I think he deserves someone better than Elena. I don't know probably someone that won't fall for his brother. Plus I've always thought him and Katherine have way much more chemistry.
2. It actually Forwood (but whatever) and YES. Look, I know Caroline deserves somebody better than Tyler, but I like them together. Yes, he's a douche bag sometimes, but sometimes he brings up some really good point like why must everyone die to save Elena.
3. Whatever, I guess. I think Damon deserves somebody better than Elena too, but to be honest this love triangle has never been the highlight of the show for me.
4. Klaroline, I feel conflicted about it. I love Klaus, and I love Caroline. However, I don't want them romantically involved. Plus, I'm even more conflicted because Klaus will have these moments of greatness where he's nice and bares his soul and I'm like okay this could be a great pairing, but noo, maybe yes.
5. Oh Jeremy's neck don't get me started on that.
I guess at the end of the day I just want everyone to be happy.
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It was a great episode (and a really nice review btw) I'm a bit sad for stephan and elena because I wanted more of their relationship now that she's a vampire but in fact the breakup would have happen anyway... I'm not sure Damon and Elena should be a couple it would be too easy and too obvious because in fact now it's what everybody is expecting to happen in the next episodes...
I'm sad about tyler and caroline but I'm kind of liking the idea of klaus and karoline together so... i'll wait and see.
and don't you think that Jeremy is kind of the new "Buffy"... he's a chosen vampire hunter!!! wondering where this storyline will go!
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Tyler and Caroline is what brought me back to Vampire Diaries when I was about to let it go completely. Klaus is an added bonus and I am looking forward to Caroline and Klaus even though I love Tyler and Caroline too but I think they need some new challenges in their relationship. I love this triangle more than Elena -stefan - damnon. Go CAROLINE! Best actress in the show!
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The conversation between Tyler and Caroline was one of my favourite scenes of the episode. So good!
For me it was all about how psychologically damaged these kids are, and how casual they have become about death. Elena might be freaking out about Connor, but you make a very good point about all the supernatural creatures who have been offed throughout the series. If they feel and generally act like humans, why should their deaths be less important? And Caroline was basically saying "well who cares if we kill some random dude to save our friend".
The whole group has been acting that way for a while now (Elena being a possible exception), but it I found it pretty chilling to have one of them actually come out and say it like it was no big deal. I mean one of the "good" characters, Damon says that kind of stuff all the time and it doesn't make much of an impact because well, he's Damon. And if they start thinking that way, protecting each other at all costs no matter who they have to kill in the process, then can you really call them the good guys anyway?
And I loved the fact that Tyler blew up over it. All those supernatural shows have so many "meaningless deaths", I just liked hearing someone saying that just because the guy wasn't a main character, it doesn't mean his death wasn't a big deal to someone. Deep stuff.
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I couldn't agree more...Everyone just hates on Tyler because of his season 1 character... Such hypocrites, these are the same people who love Damon and Klaus, but a character who has matured and grown immensely is always hated on... Great storyline the writers are building for Tyler, and if it means him losing Caroline because of what he wants to achieve, then so be it. Let Caroline and Klaus get together, give the fans what they want - a maniac with one of the sweetest and kindest characters on this show. Her personality will just change and it wont be the Caroline the fans love... Tyler is right, these other characters have no regard for the lives of others, especially if it means that they kill people to save Elena. It frustrates me.
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I don't hate Tyler because of season 1, if I were that dense I'd still be hung up on hating Damon (which I don't), I personally dislike Tyler because he (to me) has become about as interesting as paint drying - not helped by the fact that he is in competition with a 'Maniac'. Maniacs are always entertainment gold, you don't always know what they will do next, they can be funny, they actually have flaws that go beyond 'grrr I'm an angsty teenager'. It's like the Joker from Batman when he dressed up in females nurses outfit, could not stop laughing the entire scene (appropriate or not) :P
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I agree!! with everything you just said!
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ERMYGEWD. LOLOLOLOL I SWEAR YOUR VERSION OF THE EPISODE IS LIKE 93247513TIMES BETTER THAB THE ACTUAL ONE. YOU JUST LIKE TROLLED THE WHOLE THING WHILE IM LIKE BAWLING OUT OF LAUGHTER ON MY FLOOR. <3 AND FYI, I MADE AN ACCOUNT JUST TO POST THIS LOLOLOL OMG I CANT GET OVER THOSE ^
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I can't wait for some more Klaus + Caroline!! I hate Klaus as a character except for when it comes to Caroline - and he treats her like the princess anyone has to be treated like, that's when you see Klaus totally naked / completely exposed and vulnerable.
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Yes, and he treats his sister, the only woman who has stood by him through-out it all, like crap. What a charming partner for Caroline...
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God, Rebecca would get so dull after 1000 years though wouldn't she? Sure she is showing some character development now, but the last 1000 years would have been tedious.
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A sad episode? People unhappy with the last scene, you say? That, for me, is the exact case with all the OTHER episodes while the writer is all 'Team Stelena FTW'. This was one of the BEST episodes for me. And no, not sad about Tyler and Caroline either. I'm big on Klalorine. It's refreshing to see a good/soft side of Klaus over time. Not to mention, i do love this new teacher. I was, though, counting on Katherine being really back.
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1) no although the break up scene was great!
2) kinda. although i think klaus n caroline will be more interesting but i like tyler n caroline together too!
3) YES! v.happy! have been waiting 4 them 2 gether since 4ever. i hope the writers dont tease us anymore n actually give damon n elena a chance now. cant wait 4 their HOTNESS!
4) yes!
5) yes. poor jeremys beautiful neck!
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So I got an account just so I could tell you; Oh my goodness, I love your writing! Absolutely hilarious! I will look for more in the future!
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Even I got an account to tell you that you are an awesome writer!
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When will they let April into their Secret World? Call Me Mellow, but I wouldn't sweat telling the little girl anything. It's not like she's going to Shout it from the rooftops, or like it would be a surprise to anyone in Mystic Falls; there were lots of moms on the Founders' Council and Mothers Talk. Tell the Child the monsters under her bed are real! Her dad (let's call him John, since he was never given a name other than Pastor) was obviously paranoid and following a different holy book than the rest of us. Telling her the truth about Johnny Panic and the Bible of Dreams might give her some closure, or at least something more than the Pale Shelter given by her father. Side Note: "We'll all reunite in eternity" are better Famous Last Words than "We the beginning", he should have stopped there or been faster flicking his Bic.

Some free Advice for the Young at Heart, don't fall in love with someone who won't love you The Way You Are. Especially someone who will keep things from you and lie to you in order to Change you into the person you used to be when you've grown. In fact, don't get tied down at all, spread your love around to as many people as possible. If someone appears to be Head Over Heels for you, that doesn't mean they are the one, it just means they are obsessed with the idea of who they want you to be. Also, it probably means there is a Woman in Chains in their basement.


For a long time, I thought being with Caroline must be the Closest Thing to Heaven, and Tyler didn't deserve it. It's a Mad World where Tyler is the hero and Caroline is the villain. It's a Cold woman who will go on a date with a mass-murder to have his permission to be an accomplice to murder herself.

So maybe Caroline and Klaus belong together. She's not so good and he's not so bad. Who can fault him for his schemes? Everybody Wants to Rule the World. It was Klaus who came to Caroline's rescue when she was Laid So Low by Tyler's bite on her birthday. We never see how that encounter ended, but I like to think he sang her a Goodnight Song as she fell asleep. And let's face it, dude's fucking smooth and rich and powerful and connected and well traveled. He's known politicians named things like Strom and Robespierre, princes and princesses, drug lords named Raoul and the Kings of Spain from the 1400s to the 1800s. He'll make her happy and she'll make him happy. We'll all be happy that Elena is with no one and Tyler will be happy sniffing his bitch's butt (dog joke).

So let's Break it Down Again into the most Elemental pieces:
God's Mistake with Adam and Eve was withholding knowledge in the first place, be up front.
Suffer the Children
Don't tolerate Secrets.
Spend your youth Sowing the Seeds of Love.
I Believe Caroline is Falling Down from her pedestal.
Everybody Wants to Run the World.
Everybody Loves a Happy Ending.
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Tyler bit Caroline because Klaus asked her too... He was sired then... Urgh, all you Klaus and Caroline fans twist the story to suit this terrible terrible pairing. And Tyler was right, why must everyone die to save one person... I am really excited about Tyler's storyline. Tyler and Caroline are the two characters who have grown the most since season 1. Pairing Caroline with Klaus would take her all the way back... Urgh...
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I just dislike Tyler because he has become so boring... :P
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Chuckle. Disclaimer, I do not necessarily believe anything in that post. The fact that you interpreted it as anything other than a writing exercise is a testament to my goddamned brilliance. Thank you.
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Best part of this episode? "Teenage suicide...don't do it." A Heather's reference! Awsome!
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Shipping Delena and Klaroline. I've always liked Stefen, though, he's great. I worry that once Caroline ditches Tyler he will become irrelevant and be killed off. Hmmm.. Also, I thought it was so cool that when Caroline revealed to Klaus she was distracting him, he thought it was endearing... sigh.... if they rub off on each other they're going to become even more awesome!
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Great Ep.
Questions:
No
No
Yes
Yes
And absolutely, he has a beautiful neck.
P.S. April isn like what a non-entity, just get rid of her.
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TVD kills off heaps of characters, and they mostly never get mentioned again (sometimes they get one or two mourning eps). Anyone else think it's suss that Alaric is still being actively and clearly mourned/mentioned? I know Matt Davis has a new show coming up, but I can't help but think he will be coming back to TVD again in some capacity.
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Am I the only one here who thinks TVD is way better than Buffy?
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While I do love both shows, and TVD definitely has some advantages over Bufffy, I think Buffy was a stronger show as a whole. Their characters were more consistent in their development and it had a very powerfully positive portrayal of women.
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Probably.... Cause I see more point to even the smallest characters of BTVS than the better ones in TVD... BTVS will always be superior at all point, am just hoping TVD would've taken a little pointer from it. Matt is nowhere as entertaining as Xander. Bonnie is a lame witch whose only knowledge is to light candles and talk to dead witches. Gotta give to Jeremy Gilbert this one though, cause he is just as annoying as Dawn Summers is whiny. Angel vs. Stefan, why even chose, Angel has more character development than him. Delana vs. Buffy-Spike? well, the unspoken relations between the Buff and the Bloody was so entertaining, till the very last episode. Delena glances every other episode is just annoying and frustrating, why not just get into it already. Their only great stand is with Katherine against Faith... The attitude and character of both is just entertaining, the threat and sass they bring is just a refreshment to the supernatural TV... At least Faith get to cross over Angel and return when Joss Whedon needs her to. We've been needing Katherine for a long time. It's not like the show's having a hard time to convince the actress since she's also playing the lead....
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Hell no I love both series but BTVS is way better the relationships are better the mythology is better, the action is leagues above TVD and so are the villains. Buffy also touches on more issues than TVD, its more whitty the and side characters aren't as annoying. Also Buffy has had more lovers than Elena, and she is also no where near as whiny. One more thing they even did a musical I cant see TVD doing that.
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Buffy isn't actually promiscuous. In 7 seasons she has one boyfriend with whom she sleeps once (Angel), then another boyfriend who she never sleeps with (?, Ethan from Queer as Folk), then a one-night-stand at the beginning of college (?, total player dick), then a college boyfriend (Riley), and after having to drop out of college, one lover (Spike). So, not so much for 7 years! It's nice though, since she has them one at a time and doesn't flake back and forth between all of them, and she stays away from the love of her life for years because it's healthier for both of them. Ok, just had to defend Buffy, 'cause if SHE's promiscuous, then I'm a fucking porn star.
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One of the main reasons for BTVS being better than TVD is because Whedon had a way of making the series somewhat serious and poignant and yet being able to make fun of itself. I don't think Julie Plec has done that yet, not intentionally at least. Plus until i see a musical episode (as long as Elena can stay away from anything related country and/or anything related to death/depression.) BTVS still will remain amazing.
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It doesn't I just wanted to add that.
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I didn't realize promiscuity of the female lead was an indicator of quality, but okay.
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What Madelynn1984 said. BtVS was taking up many subjects such as sexuality, love, friendship, illness, death. It started as a mix of comedy and horror, but with time it got darker and more mature.
I wish Price would recap all 7 seasons - it would be great opportunity to re-watch that fantastic show.
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That would be super fun. :)
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I've been thinking the same for quite some time. Pierce recapping season 1 of Buffy would be glorious, there are so many things about it that are campy, cheesy and dated (but still great!) it would be hilarious. And season 2 onwards just gets awesome!
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yes ...that would be awesome if price could recap buffy, that would make my life complete...well you know what I mean:)
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Buffy is WAY better! They're completely different shows, though. Buffy is a work of art, equating monsters to the growing pains we all face in high school and young adulthood. TVD is a guilty pleasure teen drama that just happens to have mystical creatures. As someone else said, the very best episodes of TVD are better than the very worst episodes of Buffy. . .
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OMG...no..
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Can't really comment since I've never seen Buffy before.
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Depends on the episode(s) and my current mood(s).
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I think you really can't compare the two. Buffy by Joss Whedon was the first successful genre of its time before we got drowned in Vampire shows. It dealt with a lot of teen and grown up issues and did it well. I have to say, the only niggling point is that Whedon knows how to make strong female leads that drive the show. TVD still had a lot of work to do but they always insist on having guys "save the damsel in distress", which I think is taking us back a little. Elena is the most whiney character I have ever seen in a show and attempts to make her bad ass have really fallen dead. Caroline is the closest to female empowerment on the show, but she is still rather needy for male attention, whereas the female characters in Buffy stood on their own and their relationships where just bonuses that shaped their own character. None of the Characters in Buffy were the same people they were in Season 1 by season 7. I rate it for that and hope TVD starts stepping up. Still fills the void somehow though.
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Well, probably. But Angel is better than Buffy. :P
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You know, I've only seen a couple of episodes and while I found it _also_ to be cheesy - much like the way buffy was or more - I DID, however, enjoy it! :O
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I've been following Price's review for quite sometime but never posted but thought i'd make an official post today. First, i love the reviews and Price i'm not sure how many witty & amazing quips you've got in that brain of yours but it seems unending! so please keep them coming.
As for the episode, a good episode overall and of course the end was fantastic. It was really nice to see Elena actually self-actualize for a change and as for the shipping comments, i have to admit there's a secret desire to let Damon have an official chance with her for once.
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I love that there are so many new people here this time! I've seen several people who created an account just to write a comment. Welcome to the ACP, I hope you'll stay! ;)
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If Elena's feelings were truly magnified in general, then it makes no sense that her feelings would magnify for one brother and not the other. Wouldn't her feelings for Stefan be magnified too?
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Always read these recaps but I made an account just to pitch in here.
To me her relationship with Stefan always felt a bit lackluster and that her feelings were all very 'Meh you'll do, you're a fairly safe bet' and then when she became a vampire and her feelings got magnified her attraction to Damon got the bump but when it comes to here feelings to Stefan how do you magnify 'Meh you'll do'?
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That's what I keep asking....
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But she had INFINITY feelings for Stefan already, so they couldn't be any more.
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Now, why does that make sense?
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Stefan was set free and Damon was saddled with Elena. Sounds like Stefan got the better of the deal. Now can we get something more than 4 years of ppl trying to save Elena from something. The breakup was nicely done...so who will be the next one to capture Stefan's interest.
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Well, Klause always loved Stefan (why on earth would he drag him along in season 3 if he didn't?) though I doubt Stefan reciprocates his feelings. If Stefan is going to fall for anyone else then Elena - it's probably going to be Bonny. They had a nice connection when Grams Ghost died.
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