The Veronica Mars Season 2 Dossier: Episodes 20-22

The main problem with revisiting a mystery-based TV serial so long after it first aired is how virtually impossible it is to remain unspoiled. Shortly after I started Season 2, an innocent Google search of Beaver Casablancas's first name brought up the phrase: "Cassidy Casablancas, mass murderer..." and I was devastated. Whoops, now I knew who caused the bus crash! Now I'd have to sit through 22 episodes of pretending to not know where it was all headed? Fortunately Veronica Mars was never the kind of show to center its thrills around a simple reveal. Even though I knew the WHO, I still didn't know the HOW or the WHY, and those reveals ended up being thrillingly surprising and surprisingly complicated. The fact that the Season 2 finale STILL met my lofty expectations was a testament to just how well-written this show was: You might THINK you know what's going on, but you never really do. (And I maybe still don't!) But it never stopped being entertaining and just a little bit heartbreaking. These poor human beings!

Okay, last three episodes of Season 2: Let's nonchalantly step off this skyscraper!



Season 2, Episode 20: "Look Who's Stalking"


The plot thickens: We were definitely outside the realm of cases of the week at this point and this episode in particular was all about setting up the finale. Satisfying closure fans, avert your eyes!

"Look Who's Stalking" began with a weird non-sequitur: Veronica at a doctor's appointment learning she had chlamydia! What?? Which gas station bathrooms had she been hanging out in? Anyway, an explanation for this was still two episodes away, so it was back to business as usual. Specifically, the business of Woody waking up to an O.D.'d hooker in his motel room bed:

Despite Woody's pleas that Keith take the rap for this incident, Keith opted to tell the press exactly what had happened which seemed to put a crimp in their friendship. Oh well! True friends don't ask friends to cover up O.D.'d hooker situations for them. Meanwhile the loose string from a few episodes back—who had hired the escort to steal Cliff's briefcase—was solved when Logan personally identified the suspect in the police sketch: Aaron Echolls' cellmate! So um, yeah. The return of Aaron Echolls was more or less certain at this point.

But the primary case involved Woody's daughter Gia who was apparently being stalked. After Veronica discovered that the "stalker" was actually a P.I. (former Deputy Leo, in fact!) hired to protect her, an actual creepy stalker scenario popped up when yet another videotape was sent to the Goodman household. This time Gia was the object of the stalker's camera and it wasn't long before Veronica sussed out who the creep was:

Lucky the janitor! We'd heard of this guy in an earlier episode and knew that he had a weird, church-based relationship to the Manning family, and it turned out he was JUST as damaged as you'd expect a person with a weird, church-based relationship to the Manning family might be! In an awkward after-hours meeting for the ages, Gia found herself "interviewing" him for a human interest story in the paper only to find herself cornered in the supply closet while he ranted about his military injuries. Things got even more awkward when he pulled out a HUGE KNIFE and started waving it around. Veronica tried to spirit Gia out of there, but he stopped them both and it took some last-minute heroics by Keith Mars to subdue him.

One of the reasons this episode was so frustrating was that several times after Lucky was apprehended, he came THISCLOSE to admitting to Keith Mars exactly what was up with him. We knew he used to be a batboy for the Neptune Sharks, but it still wasn't clear what exactly his grudge against the Goodman family was. Unfortunately just when he was about to whisper his motive to Keith Mars, Sheriff Lamb stuck his dumb face in everyone's business and Lucky clammed up like a... clam. Oh well.

But who cares about closure when such a thrilling bit of emotional storytelling was playing out at Logan's Alterna-Prom? After some rowdy '09ers had gotten the real prom cancelled, they decided to throw their OWN prom (Veronica managed to get a bunch of poor kids invited also). First there was a hilarious moment where Veronica totally dressed down Madison for sleeping with Sheriff Lamb. But later it was a heart-to-heart with Logan that must've had everyone on the edges of their couches. Two people, unlucky in love, admitted to each other that they were at a crossroads, future-wise. Would they even know each other after graduation? Logan clearly wanted to get back with Veronica and she seemed pretty open to it also... until he went in for the kiss and she ran off. Heartache! Things got even sadder the next morning when Veronica arrived at Logan's penthouse to admit that she too wanted to stay close to him, but then realized Kendall had spent the night. Total turn-off, you know? Anyway, the episode closed with our heroine sobbing in an elevator, and there are few things more troubling to the viewer than a crying Veronica.

Episode verdict: The developments of this episode were strictly of the set-up variety, but "Look Who's Stalking" still managed to wring tons of tension out of its various situations. That scene where Lucky pulled a knife on Gia and Veronica was really disturbing mostly because it was never clear if he actually intended harm or if he was just a creep. And I knew I'd love that scene between Veronica and Logan when the conversation began with "I like this song..." It was a good song! But I also love when characters map their emotional lives via pop music. It just seems so real to me. Anyway, good episode, but I feel bad for anyone who had to wait A WEEK for the next one.



Season 2, Episode 21: "Happy Go Lucky"


The plot thickens: The most important plotline in this double-whammy of a disturbing episode involved the big reveal of Woody Goodman's villainy. It was all sparked off by fresh-from-jail Lucky showing up during Neptune's lunch break firing a gun everywhere!

After a truly terrifying standoff during which he pointed the gun directly in Jackie's face until she sobbed, Wallace tackled Lucky, and Lucky fired the gun at Wallace at point-blank range (blanks!), Lucky was gunned down for real by a frightened security guard. It was a truly harrowing incident (due in part to some recent real-life events), and it certainly erased whatever sympathy we might've had for this troubled dude. Anyway, the main thing was, he was looking for Gia Goodman for some reason, which only fueled Keith and Veronica's curiosity about what exact skeletons were in Woody's closet? Fortunately Gia invited Veronica over to study and it gave her a perfect opportunity to hack into Woody's email:

Another scary scene transpired in which Woody basically caught Veronica in the act just as she was forwarding a sound clip to her own email account (hope you deleted those "Sent" emails, lady!). But man, has Steve Guttenberg ever been as frightening in a role as he was here? Perfect casting, seriously. What the emails revealed was very unsettling: Lucky had been one of four people who'd been molested by Woody in their youths and were now blackmailing Woody into revealing his crimes. The identities of the other three victims (one of whom had been edited out of the recording entirely) were still in question, but there was no disputing that Woody was a BAD person and it made that earlier scene of he and his wife disciplining their son even more disturbing.

Keith even confronted Woody with these accusation and Woody's stone-faced anger more or less confirmed his guilt. But because this was Veronica Mars, there was a slight twist in that the victims hadn't been (teenage) batboys, but actual children who'd played on the Neptune Sharks little league team. Typical Veronica Mars, revealing even worse details right after we'd come to accept the already-awful ones. Anyway, some quick deductions and confirmations on Veronica's part showed that at the other two audible victims on the recording had gone on to become bus crash victims, which mean that Woody was now the #1 suspect behind the crash. It especially seemed that way when Lamb finally agreed that Woody needed to be arrested but discovered that he'd fled town already. Oh, Sheriff Lamb.

Meanwhile in a twist that proved just as upsetting, Aaron Echolls was acquitted of Lily Kane's murder! It's not just that he got away with the awful crime Veronica had worked an entire season to uncover. He apparently wasn't even prosecuted for locking her in a refrigerator and setting it on fire? Or assaulting that homeowner (who then mysteriously vanished)? Plus the trial was just outrageously hateful, forcing Veronica to talk about her new STD and all the various semi-legal things she'd done in her private investigation work. It was just this huge, humiliating circus that was made somehow even worse by the throngs of supporters outside the courthouse holding up "Aaron is Innocent" banners. Seriously, this show definitely painted one of grimmest portraits of our justice system I've ever seen.

Adding insult to injury, Veronica ditched a test in order to attend the hearing, thus presumably marring her perfect GPA and losing that Kane Scholarship. (Although, maybe Veronica's teacher should've allowed the case's STAR WITNESS to make it up? What a MEAN teacher.) Bad times all around.

Episode verdict: Well, despite those two bummers of plotlines, it still felt pretty exhilarating to get all those Goodman reveals. Plus Echolls' acquittal really created a confusing situation for Logan, so the injustice will at least lead to some electrifying scenes, right? But "Happy Go Lucky" also featured some truly touching moments, in particular Veronica and Wallace's heartfelt conversation about how much they'd miss each other next year. I mean, I still to this day thing Wallace was a weak link on this show, but at least he seemed to recognize just how important Veronica was to him. One of this show's biggest recurring themes was that no good deed went unpunished, so it was nice to see Veronica get at least a shred of credit for all the awesome things she'd done. Great moment in a great episode.



Season 2, Episode 22: "Not Pictured"


The plot thickens: How does one begin the best-yet episode of Veronica Mars? Well, "Not Pictured" began in a low-key way: Veronica and Keith outside the courthouse dealing with Aaron's acquittal. In typical Mars fashion, they alternated between resigned cynicism and passionate promises of revenge, not necessarily in that order.

Fortunately their helplessness in the Echolls situation forced them to focus their rage toward the other big villain in their lives: Woody Goodman. Things got started when Vinnie Van Lowe contacted Keith from jail and offered to share all the information he'd stolen from the Goodman property (the crime for which he was arrested). This bounty of information—including tax returns, credit card information, plus medical records which indicated Woody had chlamydia!—allowed Veronica to impersonate his daughter and get Woody's lawyer to give up the game: Woody was hiding out at a hunting lodge in Northern California! Keith flew up there, tracked him down, and ended up tussling with the disgraced Mayor, and the fight itself was kind of hilarious:

That's just a good move right there! Fortunately Keith was able to taze Woody before he leapt out the window, so at least one villain wouldn't get away in this episode.

But the bigger storyline belonged to Veronica and how graduation day had finally arrived at Neptune High. The episode's best element was this pink-hued "What If?" dream sequence in which Veronica imagined how that day would've been different had Lily Kane never been murdered. Man, was this devastating:

Mom still there. The nice house. Keith as Sheriff. Cool yacht-themed decor:

And happiness. So much happiness! Strangely, though, in this dream Veronica and Logan were together. (Did this imply that perhaps Veronica and Duncan may have still suspected they were siblings?) Also Veronica and Wallace never really became friends, and indeed only even met for the first time on graduation day when their gowns were switched. There was even this slightly devastating moment when Veronica enthused about how great high school had been and Wallace just said, "Oh. You're one of those." Dang, fake-Wallace! Also, Lily was there:

I guess I'd forgotten that Lily was actually OLDER than Veronica and Duncan. Something about her always registered as a younger sister type. But apparently she'd been almost a senior when she died. Anyway, in this alternate reality she went off to college and probably got involved in tons more inappropriate romances. But it was all moot seeing as this was definitely a dream sequence. Still though, super poignant.

The actual graduation was a nice scene. Not sure I cared about the "Weevil graduates!" nonsense. So he passed a math test and got to graduate, only to get arrested for Thumper's death minutes before getting his diploma. Am I supposed to feel bad? Weevil legit commited a crime! Don't worry guy, the ceremony was just symbolic. I'm sure they'll mail you the diploma anyway. But yeah, I liked the moment between Veronica and the principal on stage. Now whom will he turn to for everyday teen espionage?

In a major "no care" plotline, Jackie ditched Wallace and claimed she was flying to Paris when actually she went to Brooklyn to be reunited with her waitress mother and, oh yeah, TWO-YEAR-OLD SON. She only 'fessed up when Wallace flew out to try and meet her, but I was already so mad at Jackie that I didn't even care. Like, I'm glad she finally had an interesting back story, but the class-motivated lying was pretty despicable. Bye forever, Jackie!

So, anyway, it was BOMBSHELL time. While all of her classmates were gathering for a post-graduation party in Logan's penthouse (and Keith was still up north), Veronica had a hunch about Woody's molestation victims. That's when she decided to pay a visit to Woody's hamburger joint, which was DEFINITELY NOT a Carl's Jr.:

And that's when she found an official team photo of the little league team Woody had coached/molested, and unlike the previous ones Veronica had seen, this one had a little notation on the bottom. "Not pictured: Cassidy Casablancas."

And just as the camera began an epic zolly, we knew as soon as Veronica did that we'd discovered the mastermind behind much of the town's bad times. This guy:

Apparently he too had been molested by Woody Goodman and he'd plotted to kill the other two victims when they made it clear they wanted to step forward and get Woody in trouble. So, either Beaver killed them out of fear of having his molestation made public, OR he killed them because ruining Woody would've interfered with Beaver's real estate schemes. Either way, it was all pretty messed up.

Except the villainy didn't stop there. First of all—in a reveal that was, in my opinion, totally unnecessary—we found out that Beaver HAD INDEED raped Veronica on the night of her consensual non-raping by Duncan. And he gave her chlamydia. Which HE had gotten from Woody Goodman during his little league days. I mean, just five or six disturbing concepts that didn't seem to bring anything to the table except to upset us even more. But yup, chlamydia mystery solved! And Veronica was retroactively re-raped!

And that was before Beaver remote-exploded Woody Goodman's airplane (supposedly also containing Keith) RIGHT ABOVE THEM.

I mean, if we're being honest here, I think Beaver was a bad person. You know? Then he attempted to get Veronica to commit suicide, but she craftily texted Logan to come up on the roof and a tussle broke out!

At one point Veronica picked up Beaver's gun and looked VERY ready to murder him A LOT, but Logan talked her down, reasoning that she was not a murderer. And Logan would know. Fortunately for everyone involved, Beaver took this as his cue to casually step off the side of the building. Logan and Veronica seemed pretty confident he was dead, but if it were me, I would've run over to make sure he hadn't jumped onto a pile of pillows on the penthouse balcony. But I'm a worrier like that.

Speaking of dirty justice, Aaron Echolls got in some last-minute sexy time with Kendall before getting VERY murdered by a silencer-equipped gun. First reaction: YES! Second reaction: Okay, who did this?

It was Duncan! He'd hired heretofore Kane Security jack-of-all-crimes Clarence Wiedman to do his dirty work. The best was that when Clarence called Duncan (who lived in Australia now, btw) to confirm he'd killed Aaron, Duncan answered, "CW?" Now by most accounts this was a winking reference to the fact that Veronica Mars would be moving to the CW for Season 3. But in retrospect it was some creepy foreshadowing. The CW certainly WAS an untrustworthy assassin, wasn't it?

Back in her apartment, Veronica and Logan were re-enacting the Pietà (as newly orphaned teen P.I.s are wont to do). Veronica even had another pink-hued dream in which she was a toddler and Keith performed a puppet show for her. Devastating! Then she woke up to someone in the kitchen cooking bacon only to discover that it was Logan. But it was a fakeout, because then Keith came out of his bedroom!

Now, I have some questions. Had he been there the whole time? Just sleeping in the other room and Veronica never thought to look in there? And Keith didn't hear them come in or sob or anything? Or did he sneak in somehow during the night? I mean, I'm glad he was alive, it just seemed like a weird reveal, is all. Especially after all the stuff each character had been through during the previous 12 hours. Maybe a courtesy text message could've helped clear up that misunderstanding? Who knows.

So while it wasn't nearly the summer ruiner that Season 1's cliffhanger was, Season 2 did definitely leave us with a question mark. Apparently Kendall Casablancas came into a ton of money following Cassidy's death and she intended to hire Keith to do something for her. He needed to leave for the airport (separately from Veronica, for some reason) and didn't want to help Kendall, but she enticed him with the contents of a briefcase. But WHAT was it? Whatever it was, it made Keith stand up Veronica for their Manhattan vacation. Again, the logistics of this misunderstanding were puzzling to me, but I guess that's just how the Mars family rolls.

Episode verdict: So this was the all-time best episode of Veronica Mars, right? I don't know, I'm hearing mixed things about Season 3, so I have to assume this was as good as it got. And it was SO GOOD. But in typical Veronica Mars fashion, it still had a fair helping of maddening and/or off-putting elements. Like, why bring back the rape plotline? Couldn't Cassidy have just been a murderer? Also, can someone really have chlamydia for THAT long without noticing or getting it treated? You know what, I won't dwell on the details. This episode was just a total triumph for how it brought together SO MUCH from the past 22 episodes and beyond. I loved the Aaron Echolls assassination. I loved that last image of Duncan enjoying his victory in a perpetual magic hour on some Australian beach. I especially loved the It's a Wonderful Life-esque dream sequence. This episode was so good that even though I knew Beaver was the bad guy, I still came away shocked by many of the reveals. That's just good writing right there.


SO MUCH good happened this season—which, dare I say, was stronger overall than Season 1? Yeah, I said it. Season 2 was a lot more consistent and confident in its writing. It was just a real pleasure to watch. I've been warned to adjust my expectations for The College Year, but I can't help it: I gotta see what these people do next.


QUESTIONS:

... Were you surprised by the Beaver reveal?

... Do you prefer Season 2 or Season 1?

... Did you think that Jackie and Wallazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

... Is Veronica's dog off chillin' with Jeremy's dog in Colorado?


PREVIOUSLY:
The Veronica Mars Season 1 Dossier: Episodes 1-8
The Veronica Mars Season 1 Dossier: Episodes 9-16
The Veronica Mars Season 1 Dossier: Episodes 17-22
The Veronica Mars Season 2 Dossier: Episodes 1-4
The Veronica Mars Season 2 Dossier: Episodes 5-8
The Veronica Mars Season 2 Dossier: Episodes 9-12
The Veronica Mars Season 2 Dossier: Episodes 13-16
The Veronica Mars Season 2 Dossier: Episodes 17-19

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Chlamydia in most cases has zero symptoms, so yes someone certainly can have it for "that long" - didnt have the best sex education ay?
I love Veronica Mars A LOT, and this episode was amazing but there are just so many plotholes so often....eg. how did Beaver know Veronica's Dad was meant to be on the plane?!?!?! Yes, he heard that Veronica's Dad had arrested Woody but from what we see that's all Beaver knows, how could he know they would BOTh return on his private plane (sidenote: completely and utterly unrealistic) ? Also, disappearing and reappearing dog whenever it's convenient?
In reponse to your question - Season 1 was far superior. The first half of Season 2 I unfortunately had to drag myself through as it was just a bit silly to immediately come up with two new big mysteries to solve ths season straight after everything last season that I felt was a lot more naturally manufactured plotlines. Also, it became a lot more like a typical high school drama with the boy drama and cheesy, cliche beginning of ooo she's actually with Duncan not Logan, what a sneaky lead on first episode! (sidenote: Duncan is repulsive to me, was kind of hoping he did turn out to be Lily's murderer - he fits the profile!!).. Then it did get pretty damn good again, admittedly, and I loved loved loved this episode honestly BUT the last ten minutes after the big reveal were just very rushed if you ask me...
- Jackie lied about everything and has got a kid, her and Wallace can't be together.
- Logan & Veronica are back together automatically with no discussions of how she supposedly has a never-ending love for Duncan or how Logan totally rejected her at the anti-prom.
- Keith's still alive (with a very unemotional reunion after such an excellent, emotional scene when Veronica tries to phone him and thinks he's about to die)
- Logan's Dad is killed with seemingly no repercussions (eg anyone wondering who did it etc)
- No one's investigating Veronica and Logan for what happened on the roof, as would happen in real police investigations..
- No one's going batsht crazy like the public would do if a plane with the mayor in just exploded....
I understand they wanted to round up a lot of storylines to then get rid of some characters before next season for a fresh start but jesus, it was just so rushed and disappointing after an epic reveal....Maybe they shuld have made an extra long episode here?
Anyway, I really really do love ths show (even if you don't believe me after all ths :P ) but it continues to have these massive flaws sometimes that let it down!

P.S "certainly erased whatever sympathy we might've had for this troubled dude" please do not speak on behalf of me; I actually teared up for his death. he never physically hurt anyone and had a horrific horrific life from a young age where he was molested. To me his actions were just a cry for help. To say you have no sympathy for him dying is just very uncompassionate. Maybe step out of your comfort zone and understand that people can't just shake off somethng as horrific as what ths character went through???
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I feel like the rape/chlamydia story was supposed to help us piece together that Beaver was the guilty party.
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That was one of a hell of a ride. Awesome season!

I knew it was going to be either Beaver or Butthead (his brother) ever since the first episode of season 2. There was just something off in that one scene. Butthead was way too dumb, so it had to be Beaver.

Veronica crying = Me devastated! Godammit! Don't make this amazing girl cry! The rape reveal moment was powerful and I did like it (only in the dramatic sense). That made me so angry! Anyway, damn, I'm loving this show. Can't wait to see season 3.
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When are we going to see your reviews on the following episodes, Price?
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When are we going to see your reviews on the following episodes, Price?
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First of all Keith said that he was surprised when he saw Logan sleeping on the couch so probably he returned in the night and he didn't want to wake up Veronica because he didn't know about the plane.

Second, Backup was always the one who mysteriously disappeared during these seasons.

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i'd really love to know where i can get her choker and her black messanger bag any one know
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I liked season 1 best as a whole, but the season 2 finale was awesome. The scene in witch Veronica screams "he raped me" as one of the reason to murder him still breaks my heart. And btw you can have Chlamydia for years and not notice, if you are really unlucky!

Season 3 is kinda weak after that, but I understand the need to see what they do next.

I miss Veronica so much!!!! sigh!
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Yes, I was surprised by the Beaver reveal. I had no idea that it was him. Then again I was so involved in the Woody storyline that I didn't really notice the background storyline of Beaver being weird actually meaning something. Also, I cannot watch Steve Gutenberg in anything else without thinking of his character in Veronica Mars and the proceeding to shutter because of how creepy he is in this show. I like season 1 better actually, but I like the beginnings of shows better than their middle season(s) as a general rule. Season 3 is very good. There are some new characters that are cool.
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1. Hells yes. I found out who it was by accident beforehand, but like you Price, didn't know the why. And boy, was it amazing finding out why!

2. A toss-up!

3. I don't understand your hating on Jackie's ending storyline ( or Wallace, for that matter), I thought it was well done and I think it made the situation a little more realistic. In fact, if you watch season 2 again, you see some hints being dropped.

4.I'd like to think so!



Seriously though. so glad you finally reviewed all of season 2, and can't wait for you to see season 3! True, it's not the same quality as the first two since the format changed, but it IS STILL SO AWESOME, with some really strong episodes in between (ex. Of Vice and Men, Spit & Eggs, The Bitch is Back...). I don't care what the hell any one says about season 3, it was still so, so good to watch!
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1 - I was!

2 - I prefer Season 2.

3 - Never really cared too much about Jackie, but I do like Wallace.

4 - I have no idea! Maybe he is a friend of Wilfred?
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Season 3 can't touch the first 2 seasons, but it is still Veronica MARS. Even if The CW decided to dumb it down to 3 main storylines in 1 season (more episodes of the week) there were still great great episodes--most notably "Spit & Eggs"...
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Brace yourself for the terrible Dandy Warhols remix during the season 3 opening credits.
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1. Yeah I was SHOCKED. I didn't expect him to be the killer and all-round bad guy. He looked too innocent and sweet to do all those terrible things. But then again, appearances can be deceiving.

2. Tough choice. They're both magnificent seasons but I'd have to give Season 2 a tiny edge since nearly everything was better except for a few certain characters that I didn't like (aka Jackie).

3. Yes they were. Nothing interesting ever happened concerning them.

4. LOL probably... They're probably off making little puppies somewhere. But I still wonder what happened with Backup. He just disappeared in thin air or something.



Notes:

- Such a fantastic Season Finale. It's probably in my Top 10 of the best eps I've ever seen of my all time fave shows.

- I was imagining if Duncan was on Bondi Beach or Byron Bay in New South Wales. If they mentioned he was, it'd be a nice shout-out to the Sydney siders (aka me).

- I was laughing when Duncan said CW. Such a subtle reference to their new network that's also actually Clarence Wiedman's initials.

- The seasons of shows where its characters go off to college ALWAYS end badly. Just look at 90210 and Gossip Girl. If there was a way to make characters forever young and forever in high school so shows can't rear towards the CANCELLED pile. Even as I'm saying all this, I still worry about TVD's direction beyond Season 4 seeing as it's the season when the Mystic Falls gang graduates. Now I'm talking about something that's irrelevant about the article. I should stop.

- LoVe FOREVER!

- Felt bad for Mac when she was crying.



The end of an incredible season. And what a season it was. Now I just need to take a trip to JB HiFi so I can get Season 3. I'm desperate for more because the show is just so addictive. THAT's how you pull off satisfying reveals, plot twists and mystery cliffhangers, Pretty Little Liars!! (I'm saying this because the 2 shows are so similar in different ways). I know this is probably unrelated, but what is Price gonna marathon next when he finishes watching the entire run of VM? Fingers crossed for Supernatural but even if he chooses another show, I wouldn't mind it seeing as it guarantees more awesome photo-recaps!
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honestly, i don't understand why people dislike season 3. i got why the show felt like it needed to do smaller mystery arcs rather than season long arcs like 1 and 2.

and the two major mysteries of season 3 were handled well, i thought.



basically i think people are crazy.
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1. Damn straight. And it had me practically screaming when I found out.

2. I just can't even compare them. It's like trying to pick a favorite child and then telling the other one to go jump off a roof.

3. I said in an earlier recap that it was nice her character got some depth, but it did NOT make up for her entire lame existence on the show. So yeah, it wasn't my fav romance.

4. YES



---Question for you Price: If you hadn't had the big reveal spoiled, do you think you would have figured it out?

---I hate that it was revealed that Cassidy raped her, because it was thing whole horrific plot line. BUT it balanced out with my hate that I thought it was unsolved, so basically I'm just numb to pain now, y'know?
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Oh and also no mention of the humiliation/devastation of Mac before Cassidy went all murderous???????????????
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right! that totally plays a part in season 3.
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I've watched some of Season 3 but it didn't hook me like 1 and 2 did. Its tough to pick one season as my favorite. Whats great about this show Season 1 has the burden of starting a show finding an audience and keeping them coming back. The burden of 2 is to either be as good as or better than 1 and this show made those challenges look easy! My favorite seasons are both 1 and 2. I love them for different reasons. In season 1 I loved Veronicas backstory and how that created the atmosphere for the show. The Lily Kane mystery was an added bonus to keep me coming back. In season 2 i loved Veronica and Logans relationship and what effect that has on the population of Neptune.
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Price - don't let anyone fool you into thinking season 3 wasn't still high quality. The only reason it's viewed as subpar is because it's being compared to seasons 1 and 2, which were just fantastic. Season 3 suffers a bit because it's not told in the same serial format as 1 and 2 (no one season long mystery, that is), but it's still better than most other television. It also introduces some enjoyable characters, notably Dean O'Dell and Piz. And the episode "Spit 'N' Eggs" is one of my favorite of the entire series.
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spit n eggs is THE BEST episode of the series, in my opinion

it was just so intense, so well written/acted/blah blah blah i love it the most.
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I will forever associate "Right here, right now" with that episode.
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I made the same name googling mistake when reading the Mortal Instruments. NEVER GOOGLE! SPOILERS WILL GET YOU!



Season two ended with a bang! I was surprised by Cassidy's reveal and demise. Although I do slightly prefer season 1, season 2 was awesome with some unbelievable twists: the bus crash, Meg's pregnancy, Duncan's departure... Great show.
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omg veronica mars is my all time favourite shows and I've seen it a million times and I never noticed that backup had disappeared. season 2 my fave , but season ones pretty special TOO.
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I thought season one was slightly better than season two but overall they're both incredible seasons. The season two finale was by far the best episode they ever wrote but season three is a bit of a letdown. The one highlight is Julie Gonzalo who's just good in everything.
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-Totally. I did not see that one coming at all. After all, Cassiday, though he was a VERY minor character at the time, had been intrinsic in the set-up and take-down of last season's finale, and it didn't occur to me that they'd do the same thing twice. Also, sorry you got it ruined, but it was just SO WELL DONE in my book. This episode is one of my favourite episodes of TV of all time, and yes, easily claims best episode of VM in my book.

-Season 2 easily. Show was in its stride and the simple urgency of this crime versus the Lily Kane murder case. It just seemed so much more urgent this season that the killer be caught. Plus, STELLAR performances by Kyle Gallner and Steve Guttenberg both (not to mention of course the entire rest of the cast).

-Jackie can go whatever and I don't care. The single number 1 biggest annoyance in season 2, and frankly the entire run of this show is Jackie.

-Like it, love it, love the guy that brought it to me. And, yes.



As for season 3, go into it with the approach that you like this show and these characters and I think you'll enjoy every episode of it. That's how I like to look at it and it works well even if I'm not going to call it one of the greatest TV seasons of all time.
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Am I the only one who thought the plane crashing above them was like eight levels of cheesy? How in the HELL did Beaver manage to get to the plane that Keith would be on and rig it with explosives? It killed me because I was digging the episode SO much until then...
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It was Woody's private plane (Woody also had a pilot's license). He rigged it to explode like he rigged up Woody's car.
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DUDE. That makes so much more sense. Thank you!!
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You're welcome!
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-I remember being very shocked when I first saw that episode... talk about something I never saw coming.

-Hmmmm... tough one. Season 1 really drew me in when it first premiered, so I'd have to go with that one.

-...lol.

"... Is Veronica's dog off chillin' with Jeremy's dog in Colorado?" I legit laughed out loud when I read this... and yes, I think he must be.
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I think I was spoiled by the Beaver reveal, but I think I was shocked when I found out.

I prefer season 1. I love season 2 as well, but I just thought season 1 was flawless and I was a lot more emotionally invested in who killed Lilly. I ended up quite liking Jackie but her and Wallace were dull. I liked Backup, I don't know why he disappeared.

I loved Kyle Gallner as Cassidy, he was great. Also apparently chlamydia can go undetected in females for years since it doesn't show up in any obvious way. It can leave you unable to have children if undetected, which is pretty brutal, so Veronica was lucky.
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Ahhhh- the final 3 of season 2! Such great writing, it's amazing. Season 3 is still excellent compared to most of what is out there, it just is a bit of a downhill slide after season 2 for all of the reasons others have mentioned.

1. I spoiled it as you did, but it didn't matter knowing who because the why was so unexpected and startling that it was still a shock.

2. I can't choose or rank these, they are both so great in different ways. They are both #1!

3. Ugh. The whole Jackie reveal ticked me off- why would her dad play along with the whole Paris thing if he knew her mom was a waitress and that Jackie had a kid and had to return to NYC? It was the one aspect of season 2 that felt badly written to me.

4. I like that idea!
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-Yes. It was always sort of obvious that the kid was just...off. The more they showed him the creepier he sort of felt, but it wasn't in that I'm gonna got nutzo and kill all these people type of way...he just seemed like maybe he was a little disturbed. The suicide part wasn't shocking...everything else sort of was. Don't mess with the Beave...

- Eh. It's hard to say. I appreciate so much about both of them. Season two seemed more structured but season one was more fun. They tried to bring their A game for season two and it worked. Season three on the other hand. It had some great qualities and all...it was just different than the previous seasons and even though I was into it...I missed VM in high school.

- Yeah. I never cared to much about Jackie. That's why she was redeemable for all of a second. I found that to be dull too. I actually did like the Weevil thing and was bummed his abuela didn't get to see him graduate. I've already establlished myself as a Weevil fan though. endearing little bad boy that he is.

- Wait...Kol ate Backup too?! Say it ain't so!
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I'm so glad you could still appreciate how awesome Not Pictured was even though you already knew the answer to the whodunit! You know it's great writing when it doesn't rely merely on the big reveal.

Your questions:

1) Totally!! I always felt there was something really odd about Cassidy, but I would've never labelled him as mass murderer. Amazingly, as always with VM, it all clicked and made perfect sense.

2) I can't choose!! S1 made me fall in love with the show, but I enjoyed S2 more as a whole, the mysteries, the character development, the relationships... and it felt like the show had grown the way it should, it kept all the things that made it great and improved where it needed improvement. For me, it's a tie.

3) My thought exactly.

4) Why do people care so much about Backup? I love dogs, but it was just a dog!! It's not as if one of the main characters suddenly disappeared and no explanation was given. How much protagonism can a dog have? It doesn't even appear on the credits!

Let me say that I actually LOLed when I read "And Veronica was retroactively re-raped!" and the whole CW = assassin reference. The CW really did a lot of murdering when it came to VM, it was like they tried to make it a whole different show and strip it of every little thing that made it so unique and awesome. So now that I'm on the topic of S3, I don't get all the hate. The worst thing about S3 was that it lacked a season-long mystery. Nonetheless, I feel like as regards dialogue, one-liners and the writing of the characters, it was at its best. Some of my favorites scenes and lines are from S3. You have to bear in mind when you get into S3 that the writers were trying to please the network and going through a painful experience of trial and error to get new viewers. I mean, it was a miracle that the season got a full order, and even then, it was cut 2 episodes short. If you watch it taking into account the context in which it aired, then you'll be able to appreciate the work they did given the circumstances. There are still some pretty amazing episodes ahead of you (3x09 - 3x14 - 3x20), and even with its lows, I still rather have another season of VM than watch most of the shows currently airing.
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Re-watching these episodes along with you, Price, reminded me of the first time I watched the show when it originally aired and how my jaw was constantly on the floor at the reveals and quality of writing. I never saw it coming all together until the very end when Veronica figured it out, and yet it all made perfect sense! I think I was "absolutely sure" it was a different character ever other week. Rarely does a show both surprise me and do it in a way that isn't totally a crazy, far-fetched, out of left field stretch, yet VM did it consistently! One of the many reasons it's been at or near the top of my all-time favorite TV shows since it first aired! Great writing trumps everything else!



Repeated viewings also allowed me to catch some of the nuances that I didn't quite grasp before, i.e. the blackmailing email to Woody regarding killing incorporation for Neptune (the one with the damning sound file w/ Beaver's voice edited out) and the anti-incorporation real estate deals Beaver set up under his dummy corporation that used Kendall as the CEO. Also, to your question about Keith showing up the next morning - having been booted off the plane at the last moment by a phone call from Lamb, he had to rent a car outside of Reno and drive half the night. So when he got in, Veronica was in bed and he found Logan asleep on the couch - not knowing that Veronica believed him to be dead, that Woody's plane had blown up with him supposedly on it or that it was Beaver who blew up the bus and tried to kill them all. The separate trips to the airport thing was because Veronica needed alone time to talk with Logan, who just found out his dad had been double-tapped, so Logan offered to drive her there. Darn those mid-2000's airports and their no cell signals! Also, what is it with Aaron sexing up girls that have already been with his son?



So yes, extremely surprised by the Beaver reveal.

Season 2 was better, but Season 1 was still great on it's own.

Never liked Jackie, so I could care less.

Oh man, Backup! Where IS Backup?
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Being someone who just came to the show when Price started the recaps, I'd say that watching all the episodes back to back, you definitely notice the shift in tone from season 2 to 3, which knowing the retrospective history of the show, makes some sense.



Having said that, I really enjoyed season 3. Not the overarching plot but the case to case episodes and the fairly realistic portrayal of how relationships change and people evolve once you get to college. Season 2 I think will always be VM in top form but season 3 is still VM so I still loved it
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Personally, the only reason Season 3 of Veronica Mars wasn't as great as the first two seasons was because the CW decided to man handle the show and request that the writers change the format so it could bring in potential new viewers.



That said, I still don't think Season 3 was bad at all. It had a lot of great moments and I enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed the first two seasons. College years was fun IMO!



Also, Season finale of season 2 was THE BEST EPISODE OF VMARS EVER! <3 RIP Unjustly cancelled show. May The Secret Circle keep you company. ):
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Jackie and Wallace were the worst together. Actually Jackie and anyone were the worst. Definitely loved season 2 more than 1 but it took so long for Veronica and Logan to get together which made me sad... season 3 isn't the same show that season 1 and 2 were and not nearly as good imo but still some good stand-alones to look forward to!
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I didn't spoil anything for myself when watching the show a couple years back. I spammed all 3 seasons in a few days, and only checked IMDb for guest appearances.

I love both seasons, but I think I prefer season 1 because it had more Harry Hamlin. Also, the character development for Logan, and build-up of the LoVe arc (best ship portmanteau ever!).

Yes, I do. Jackie's redemptive arc didn't play out very well.

Oh yeah, Backup...

I actually did feel for Weevil in the finale. He does get his diploma, but if not for his grandmother I doubt he would have even bothered. It was devastating for her not to see him go through the ceremony, and that's what he (and we, or at least I) cared about. Yeah, he's one of my favourites.

I love reading these recaps, so don't delay on starting the next season!
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Oh i forgot the other questions

I didnt see the beaver thing coming so yeah surprise

Jackie over stayed her welcome in neptune by like a whole season

Yeah just chillin I cant remember if we see Backup during season 3
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Loved both, but yeah i really like season 2, but I loved season 3, I like the dean, n logan n even Dick n mac n piz!! but yeah college was cool!!!
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When I was watching this back in the day I was blown away by this episode, the Beaver reveal was so unexpected and I felt so bad for Mac!



I think I prefer season 2 again for the consistency in the storylines but I did love the romance between logan and veronica in season 1.

his is my all time favourite episode of VM!



Don't give a shizz about Jackie she was always a fraud who acted like a self entitled biatch even though she could have easily have been a well likeable character if she had come clean from the start. I never know what wallas saw in her. Still love Wallas though, he's Veronica's sidekick!



Hahahaha yes backup and jeremy's unnamed dog are definitely chilling in Colorado together.



Season 3 while I don't think it's as good as season 1 & 2, is still pretty epic...I think you'll enjoy it =)
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-i spoiled the beaver reveal for myself as well when i was reading trivia on IMDB at the end of season one lol

-season 2 for suree plus i got way invested in the whole logan and veronica ship so the finale was very satisfying for me.. so many feels

-i wish jackie left way earlier in the season

-furrr sure
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