The Walking Dead "Arrow on the Doorpost" Review: This Time It's Personal

The Walking Dead S03E13: "Arrow on the Doorpost"

Following last week's brilliant friend-finding shopping trip, "Clear," The Walking Dead once again ignored the stale format of alternating between "Meanwhile at the prison..." and "Meanwhile at Woodbury..." that has, for better or for worse, dominated Season 3. Instead, the action, (well, "action" might be too strong a word) of "Arrow on the Doorpost" took place at a neutral site that brought together the two opposing sides in the soon-to-be-historic Battle of Meriwether County in an attempt to broker peace. 

I suspect that half of The Walking Dead's audience, while they probably dug seeing Rick and The Governor face-to-face, might resign to label "Arrow on the Doorpost" as another episode in which "nothing happened." Others will savor the high-stakes game of diplomacy between Rick and The Governor and the parallels drawn between the opposing forces meeting for the first time, and see "Arrow on the Doorpost" for what it was: another aim at establishing character that mostly hit its mark through something other than repetitive arguments and stomping around. At times, especially in the first half, "Arrow on the Doorpost" was outstanding drama that humanized characters who needed to feel like real people (Martinez was the biggest benefactor). But the episode did taper off toward the end, particularly during the "Meanwhile at the prison.." segments. Still, I'm seeing a show that is improving not only from its recent midseason lull, but as a character drama with more to offer than piles of undead bodies. (Note to producers: Please don't stop with the piles of undead bodies, though.) For those of you wanting less jibber-jabber and more stabby-stabbing, don't worry, that's coming, too, and the hour went out of its way to make sure you know that. When Season 3 is all said and done, people will die and you will be sad. 

Someone on the writing staff is a big history buff, because "Arrow on the Doorpost" was The Walking Dead's version of a Civil War Re-Enactment Society's Hampton Roads Conference, only if Abraham Lincoln was fighting zombies (and not vampires, that's just silly) instead of slavery and secession. Through their confused mutual friend Andrea, Rick and The Governor found themselves in a shed in what Rick thought was an attempt at brokering peace, but The Governor approached the meeting as an opportunity for Rick to surrender... like a little bitch. For the millionth week in a row, perspective played a big part in things, as Rick and The Governor based their stances on what they think they know of each other, mostly through intelligence gathered while trying to murder each other and Andrea's loose lips (grrrl shut yo' mouth), and this led to some great lines from both of them. (Seriously, a lot of the dialogue in this episode was pretty good, much better than it has been.)

"You're the town drunk who knocked over my fence and ripped up my yard, and nothing more," said Rick. Oh snap! The Governor countered with a real blow to Rick's nuts by dropping the fact that he knows Shania—sorry, Judith—might be Shane's baby and HOO BOY IT WAS ON. Imagine if President Lincoln casually told Jefferson Davis that Davis's wife's boobs tasted good; you'd need a passport to cross the Mason-Dixon line right now. "Restitution for your own lack of insight. Failure to see the Devil beside you," The Governor explained, trying to class up his stage-three burn about Lori's infidelity. But that was The Governor's plan all along, to put Rick on a roller-coaster of emotions (I think?), because after that he told Rick a story about his wife dying in a car accident and how he's still nagged to this day about what she meant to tell him before she bit it. Did she need him to DVR The Bachelor? Did she want him to pick up some Jimmy John's on the way home? Did she butt-dial him? As with everything that dribbles out of The Governor's mouth, we don't know what's true and what's grade-A Georgia bull manure. As he told Rick all of this, his eyes were locked on Rick like he was going in for the kill and we weren't sure who to feel bad for. He didn't tell it like a sob story, he was showing off his wife's death like a scar. It was even more interesting to see Rick's reaction to the story: He was barely able to make eye contact with The Governor and I don't know if it's because he was commiserating, thinking about his own dead wife, or calling The Governor on his bullshit. Great acting and editing on both sides. This was probably David Morrissey's best work on the show so far. 

What made this sequence of negotiations between Rick and The Governor work was that we didn't know who was screwing who. It was like watching a UFC fight for the first time and seeing a bunch of limbs and what may be two men rolling around on the ground but having no idea who actually had the upper hand. Their chat was a mental wrestling match, Rick's raw strength against The Governor's skillful technique as they sized each other up. The only certain truth to be taken from their back-and-forth was that The Governor wanted Michonne, and he was going to do horrific things to her if he got his grubby mitts on her.

Requisites for peace laid out accordingly (hand over the crazy lady with the sword and I'll let you ants have your little playpen, said The Governor), the two left The Love Shack with more than whiskey on their breath. See, both Rick and The Governor were also sipping on each others' barrel-aged lies. Though The Governor said bringing Michonne to him was a choice Rick had to make, he used the old "save your son and daughter" line and assumed that he had made the choice for Rick. And if and when Rick showed up with grumpy Michonne zip-tied and ready to be handed over, The Governor would kill everyone and end things right there. Yer pantaloons on fire, Gov'nah!

Rick, on the other hand, chose to bring his lying game back to the prisonfolk, telling them that The Governor was going to murder everyone in sight. I'm not sure why someone there didn't raise their hand and say, "Umm... well why did he tell you that? Why didn't he just kill you right there?" Because if I'm a bloodthirsty maniac I don't give my victims a heads up. Anyway, big fan of the episode exposing both of their true intentions by the end, because it reignited my faith in Rick as a leader since he sniffed out the right decision to prepare for war. "WE'RE GOING TO WAR!" It's a ballsy call, and even though he has his doubts, we're patting Rick's back through the screen and egging him on from our couches. The attempt at a treaty may have been moot and brought us back to where we started what with all the lying and doubting, but we learned more about these two men which made it worth it.

But let's be honest here, the best part of "Arrow on the Doorpost" was watching the lieutenants from both camps interact. Daryl and Martinez together was far and away the highlight of the hour, reluctantly finding a bond between them through bow and bat badassery and ending their performance of Annie Get Your Gun with taunts and a shared cigarette break (Daryl calling Martinez a "pussy" for preferring Menthols was THE BEST). Martinez told Daryl that he lost his wife and kids to zombies, Daryl replies with a "sucks," and for a split second we wonder why we're fighting each other instead of the undead. With just that quick interaction, Martinez all of a sudden became a real person not just to us, but also to Daryl and we'll be sad when Daryl puts a crossbow bolt through his eyeball (but not THAT sad). Hershel and Milton also had their moment, proving that centuries-old jokes ("At least buy me a drink first") are new again in this post-apocalyptic world. Both interactions were touched with such effective black comedy, and that's exactly what this show needs more of. We saw it last week with Michonne, too.

Back at the prison there wasn't much going on, but we learned a few things: 

– Glenn is horny, but not SO horny that he would have sex in front of zombies. His horniness only goes so far. And that "far" is abandoning his lookout post and endangering the lives of his friends for a quickie with Maggie. In his defense, it's Maggie. 

– Merle is still a dick and the writers didn't know what else to do back at the prison except make Merle a dick. Again. Also, Merle was right and Rick should have just killed The Governor. 

– Beth knows how to use a gun and will shoot someone if she has to. GO BETH! I am currently shipping Beth with me. 

– Carol needs something to do. Badly. Right now she's just... Carol.

– The prison is officially boring. Evidence A) last week's episode ruled. Evidence B) every scene at the prison this week was the worst scene of the episode.

If things weren't tense enough for you before, "Arrow on the Doorpost" should have done the trick. There's a war coming, Rick (said in your best Robert Baratheon voice).



NOTES

– Andrea slowly continues to dig her way out the hole she's been in, and this week while the boys (Martinez and Daryl) balked at taking on the first zombie, she shook her head at them and killed the zombie WITH A POCKETKNIFE! Very impressive. But then later she pouted by herself after Rick and The Governor said, "LEAVE, the men are talking," so let's call it two steps forward, one step back. I still think she'll do something awesome towards the end and will be redeemed.

– The opening with Rick at the table waiting for The Governor made me want to rewatch the opening of Battlestar Galactica, when the human is waiting for the Cylon. Okay, now I'm going to go on a Battlestar Galactica marathon.

– One thing I learned from this episode: every surviving husband's wife was eaten by zombies or killed at some point or another. I think Carol is the lone widow, right now. Is anyone still married in this show? Is The Walking Dead some complex metaphor for failed marriages?

– What are the chances that Merle and Michonne do pull out some covert op and strike first on The Governor? And if it happened, as Merle seemed to convince Michonne it should, would it make sense given their past history of, you know, trying to kill each other?


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This episode was marginally better than the last. The scenes between Rick and the Governor was passably good, but nothing more, nothing less. I just feel like they're circling the drain right now. The people back at the prison are really stupid for not questioning Rick. Why would the governor send back Rick alive if he wanted to annihilate them! That is the first thing that should jump in your head. Second half of season 2 is still the best storytelling this show has done. Not feeling it this season with pointless zombie killing and boring character interactions.
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boring. I don't need Rick to tell me that war is coming, I know that already, I knew that from the very beginning. There's no point in showing that the Governor wants to kill all of them instead of what he told Rick, because we all know that!
I don't know how things are done behind the cameras, but I truly believe they need to focus on something. It's not that "the prison is boring," as Tim said above, it is that although the writers know where they wanna get to, they don't know HOW.
I have no problems with filling episodes. Last week's episode "Clear" was simply awesome, but I feel like an idiot when I finish an episode and NOTHING happened.
Is it getting better? Well, compared to the first half of season 2 when they spent way too much time wondering about Sophia, yes, it is. But they're just getting back to that pit and although I love zombies, maybe The Walking Dead is not worth it anymore for me.
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You know Rick doesn't actually plan to go to war right? He told the group that to scare them and make his decision to hand over Michonne to The Governor more understandable.
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Let me put this straight: not taking obvious chance to shoot arch enemy (whose word is worth nothing btw.), and seriously copnsidering, instead, a deal with him, deal which involves sacrifice of one of one's own crew member (complete loss of reliability as a result), is character development? In which direction? Stupidity going to infinity?

Awful, boring, incredibly stupid episode.
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"Both interactions were touched with such effective black comedy, and that's exactly what this show needs more of. We saw it last week with Michonne, too. "

I see what you did there ;P . I am especially impressed if this was your second week in a row making an inadvertent racial crack :P .
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"You're the town drunk who knocked over my fence and ripped up my yard, and nothing more,"

See I was curious about that, because I thought, given how close both of them seemed to live before all this, that the Governor was in fact the person who Rick was describing and they had some big "oh snap! They knew each other from before the zombies!" deal. Clearly not, Rick was just making a metaphor, but I still liked to pretend at first that the Governor had gone from town drunk, to rise up the ranks in the apocalypse to be king jerk :P .

"Rick, on the other hand, chose to bring his lying game back to the prisonfolk, telling them that The Governor was going to murder everyone in sight"

Um, what? I actually saw it as Rick being honest, and showing us the, the viewer, that he saw through the Governors ruse (because the Governer himself said he planned to kill everyone afterward, so 2 points for Rick). Sure, Rick lied about the deal he had, and talking it out to Hershel at the end got confusing because he still was pondering it, but, again, I still think overall Rick wasn't largely lying to his people, he was basically saying what he concluded from his meeting "he wants to kill us all", it would have chewed up some time for him to actually explain the rest :P .
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So basicly is: Kill Rick an kille the Governor and we all be together in a happy family.
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Ugh. I was so bored by this episode. It irritates me so much when shows waste an entire hour on conversations that result in nothing. Also, I can not stand how Andrea is being written. She walks around like she should be second in command everywhere she goes. What has she done to deserve such honors other than sleeping with sociopaths? The only redeeming part of this episode was Daryl being Daryl. Love you Daryl.
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When Glen and Maggie started to get it on in front of the zombies, it reminded me of an old SNL skit that Dana Carvey and Jan Hooks did. The name of it was "the attack of the masturbating zombies". It was only shown once and was too controversial to be shown on repeats. You can still find it on You Tube. It is HILARIOUS! Try watching TWD scene again, and you'll see the resemblance. LOL!!!
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"Daryl calling Martinez a "pussy" for preferring Menthols was THE BEST". he called martinez a douchebag. martinez called daryl a pussy because daryl wouldn't kill the zombie first.

AND this was another great episode. teenagers that watch TWD, just... SHUT UP. TWD is turning into a show for adults - much like breaking bad, and it is growing up too, so stop complaining, the show is awesome and i loved this episode too.
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I would've liked for michone to secretly listen to rick and hershels conversation, after that she would have been so pissed, grabbed merle without saying a word he follows her and they both try take over woodbury with no luck of course the boring guy with the glasses get killed, michone escapes while merle gets cought by martinez and brings him to the governor he then executes him and thats how we get rid of him. michone goes back to the group tells them what happens and now daryl is sooo mad that he goes after the governor himself. end of season yay!
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I kind of thought that it might show Michonne sneaking around at the end, having heard what Rick was saying to Hershel. It would have been a nice spanner in both Rick's and the Governer's plans if she took Merle off with her to kill everyone. Although then we would truly know where Merle's loyalties lie.
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I was watching Glenn and Maggies bootie break and was waiting for something dramatic to happen. But nope they just did it. And now I bet they'll get "cocky" (haha get it?) and take more of them, abandoning their posts more frequently and that isn't what we need right now.
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Us, too! When they started kissing, my husband said, "Which one of them is about to die?" We like Glenn and Maggie, and could barely watch.
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Another enjoyable episode, apart from the filler at the prison and Merle is turning into a pantomime character. But did anyone else notice that Merle resembled Justin Timberlake, say 15-20 years in the future, especially in the early shots of him this episode? Made me chuckle...
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Rick's crazy eyes are just as good as the governors! Yay
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Rick kinda dissapointed me when he said about handing over Michonne. I thought he found his balls, he knows that Governor gonna kill them all with or without Michonne. And I want badly to find song that played in the end.
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Fink - Warm Shadow ;)
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Can't believe that nobody's mentioned where the title of this episode comes from. The second I saw that it was called 'Arrow on the Doorpost' I knew I'd heard it before. It's from the opening line of Bob Dylan's 'Blind Willie McTell'.

The opening lines are as follows and they perfectly fit the whole theme of the show:

Seen the arrow on the doorpost
Saying, "This land is condemned
All the way from New Orleans
To Jerusalem."

Does anyone else know if the line has an older, more historical origin?
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I might be wrong here, but for some reason I think that arrow on the doorpost might mean message sent to an enemy, like you shoot an arrow to the enemy's gate with a message attached to it and require his surrender, etc. I get a feeling i've read about something similar to this in some book, but like I've already mentioned, i might also be wrong here
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I don't think it will happen but wouldn't it be awesome if the tension of trying to kill each other leads Michonne and Merle to "get it on"? Think about that for a minute.
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Lol! That would be more horrific than any of the gruesome zombie kills! :-)
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All I could think while I was watching Rick and the Governor in their shakedown of each other was, how good would this be if it was written by the Justified writers? It never got the intensity or just interest of what they were going for. Which is a pity. Daryl and Martinez nailed it however, how senseless it is for humans to fight each other when they have a common enemy. But then the whole point is that man is always mans worst enemy.
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Sloooooooooooooow episode again! Three episodes to go for this season!
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I thought it was a good episode, all told, and had I not read the article first, kind of spoiling it (my fault, I know!), it would have been more intense. Still, it was good and got its point across, and the dialogue, even the banter amongst those outside while Rick and the Governor were within, was all economic and well done.

The ending was great, too. We know good things are coming.
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Another horrible episode. I'm so tired of writers getting their hands on a good thing and trying to stretch it out to be 5 seasons longer than it should be. They are driving this show straight into the dirt. You suck Walking Dead, you were the best show on TV, then you got money hungry. Losers
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This was a boring episode, but for me, i take the bad with the good. Still stick behind the idea that this season should have been a bit more shorter instead of 16. You can tell they are definitely trying to milk some of these plot lines as long as possible. Come on. Just because a show is a break out show doesn't mean you should trade quality for quantity by giving the show more episodes. It gets annoying with people always complaining saying "omg, i'm sooo bored they're at the farm." "So bored now that they're at the jail." Hello? They have to stay somewhere, geez. If you are that bored with the show after 2 of it's 3 seasons, quit watching already. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and that's just mine.
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This episode was like a dodgy government debate complete with the bloodshed and sex. Good times for all I guess.
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Excellent episode except Rick should of shot the psychopath, at least he saw exactly who he is, much to the gov's annoyance..haha. I don't think he'll hand over Michonne, he's going to face tough opposition from Carl, Daryl and i reckon, ( i can't believe i'm saying this, but) Merle!! Loved all the interactions again, the growth of these characters is fantastic.
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excellent episode? you mean terrible episode?
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if they kill off michonne it'll be like when LOST killed off Mr Eko..
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Michonne's one of those characters that never dies in the comics (at least from what I've heard) so I doubt they'll kill her anytime soon, if ever.
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They can't kill off Michonne- she's just starting to develop as a character. I'd like to see her and Rick get together- they'd make a badass couple and she seems to understand him- and right now he needs that!
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Aww I loved Mr. Eko... I don't think they'll kill off Michone just yet...jeez I hope not anyways..
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This second half of the season is so slow. So much feels like filler. There's nothing wrong with a little character development, but the eventual show-down between the groups feels like a carrot being dangled on a stick. Out of curiosity, anyone else planning on ditching the show if your favorite character dies and Andrea lives on for another season? The number of people who like Andrea is a very small percentage. Every scene with her results in groans from the people I know who watch this.
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The impression I got from Rick at the end was that he was considering handing over Michonne. He doesn't like the idea and he knows there is a big chance the Governor will not honor the deal, but if there is a chance to save the rest of the group from dieing, shouldn't he take it? That's why, if I remember correctly, he was asking for Hershel to talk him out of it. Not out of the war, but out of turning over Michonne. Also, he said he wanted them scared, but as Hershel stated, they were already scared. Maybe Rick wanted them even more scared so they would consider turning over Michonne? That's my impression I got from Rick at the end of the episode. He wanted to turn over Michonne, knowing the Governor might not honor the deal, because there is a slim chance it will save them from losing others and was looking for Hershel to talk him out of it, but couldn't come up with anything. I'm going to be rewatching it and checking again, but that was my feeling of the ending scene with Rick and Hershel.
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Agreed- as an inhumane math equation it made sense to hand over Michonne to save more dying in all out conflict. But Rick spoke to Hershel because he knows he leans toward more humane and empathetic decisions which is why he said he wanted talking out of handing Michonne over. That, coupled with the fact he'd made the Govenor and knew he'd waste them all anyway!
If they gave in to the Govenor they'd be losing their humanity as a group which has already stretched thin.
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Actually, IMO Rick was sort of hoping that Hershel would talk him out of this war as in hand in Michonne and hope the Gov' keeps true to his word, and not vice versa.
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I can see how people viewed the conversation in the opposite way I did, but even after re-watching, I still feel like Rick was aiming the opposite direction on that decision. I do also realize my view on the conversation could be because I've lost all faith in Rick making the right decisions sometime ago during this season.
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well, you might be right of cause, though i hope that does not happen. But that's just me with some faith left in Rick and that he'd never sink that low to hand over one of his group, no matter how new to the group, to the enemy
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Another hilarious article by Tim, the Walking Dead reviews are my faves. Some of my notes:
-Things have definitely felt tense to me lately and more so for sure now.
-Absolutely LOVED the interactions between Daryl & Martinez and Hershel & Milton, makes the Governor even more of an evil monster the more his "minions" are humanized
-I think if Rick tells Michonne the Governor wants her she'd bind herself and say "bring it on".
-And I'm loving the soundtrack lately, music really effects people's emotions and in a show where that is happening enough already these songs they've been playing at the end of the episodes make them that much cooler.
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Judging by the clips in the coming episodes I reckon Rick might be losing his hand. Looks like this is going to be bloody for all!
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Ugh... Andrea wants to be the savior so badly.. wish she had SOME insights on the people surrounding her (read: the gov'nah). I hope she becomes badass like the end of season 2 again. We need badass Andrea, and not naggin' 'pleaaase let me join the leaders/men's club!!'-Andrea.
Agree about the mindgame the governor had with Rick. I kinda had a feeling he feels superior to Rick and thinks he can easily manipulate him with those emotional stories that hit near home for Rick, you could tell by the smirk he had, for a slight moment. Merle was right though, Rick could've easily ended things there. However, end things and then what, hang out in the Prison? it seems hella boring there.. they should take over woodbury and do bbq's with mojito's in the garden. sounds better than having disgusting-looking clothes on (I'm looking at you, Maggie) and being locked up in a prison that looks like crap and depressing.
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I think she'll become a badass again. She definitely has a plan of her own being she went back with them to Woodbury, or knows she could do more there, where she could watch him closer. Her smirk was as big as his when the governor and her were walking & talking at the end of the episode.
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I feel like everything that happened on this episode could've been shown in 2 scenes/10 minutes, but they stretched it into a whole hour just to extend the show. Looking forward to see if they make it up next week.
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probably not, they realize they have a break out show and are gonna bore their audience to death to try to capture 5 extra seasons of advertiser money. This show is going to crap
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I couldn't help but compare the interrogation scene between Carrie and Brody with the Governor/Rick sit down. It drove home how utterly devoid of tension and poorly written/acted TWD can be
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The writers must think the audience to be ignorant ..the real Rick would just have killed the gov like he did Sofia(sorry), Shane, the guy at the bar(shot in the forehead) and that crazy inmate leader(machete). I mean the gov has no argument to justify all the wrong he has done to the Rick camp; allowed the kidnapped Maggie and Glen, humiliated Maggie, captured Daryl and forced him to dual his bro, killed the inmate whom was trying to get up on Carole, crashed the fence and terrorized them, all the threats too! But he offers Rick a choice and Rick ponders what he should do--THIS IS CRAP!! If anything Daryl should have walked in there during the "waste of film" negotiations and put an arrow in his other eye!
And Andrea ..please just get rid of her! She is very irritating!
One thing I realized about this episode is the gov's hate for Michonne. Not only because of what she did to his eye...if you notice how he struts around during conflicts like he is all mighty, almost immune and impervious to personal attack.. Michonne took that away from him!
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and Michonne 'killed' his daughter...
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Yeah, this was quite a boring episode. Why don't they just kill all those walkers at the prison? They don't even have to go through the fence just poke them through it.
It wouldn't surprise me if Andrea at then end of the season is the one killing the gov.
Then she has to make a choice of staying at Woodbury and be the new gov or run off to the prison being chased by the other Woodbury idiots.
And Merle, they should have locked him in a prison cell after he and Glenn rolled of the stairs. I don't hope Michonne has to go, she is becoming more fun to watch as the season progresses.
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I don't believe the governor's sob story. I think he was just trying to soften Rick up. At first I too was pleased with Rick for not falling for it. But did u not see his conversation with Hershel at the end? He is seriously considering giving up Michonne. He wanted Hershell to talk him out of it! No Rick, No! To be fair it doesn't surprise me. We all know how ruthless he has had to become. Of course he would sacrifice to save his family if he thought there was a chance of saving them. I just hope Hershel CAN talk him out of it.
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How did the governor know they had more guns? he nor andrea appeared in last weeks episode.
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he prolly has his people staked out everywhere to spy on them.
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My assumption was that the Governor was letting Rick know that he had been watching. I figure the Gov. had spotters out in the woods by the prison, watching their comings and goings, and were able to see them unload the guns from their car.
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first time posting but long time reader but this time i have to say something about andrea.
in her talk with hershel this episode she made clear she can't back to woodbury.
hershel said "we are family, but if you come back it is settled" i understood it that it would be settled that there is war between the two groups if she chooses the prison group over woodbury/the governor. i think she is cooking something up, especially after the last talk with the gov. about the terms he gave rick and he would't answer. (
perhaps because english isn't my first language i missunderstood and it only means "if you come back, you stay" what hershel meant)
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i think when he said"if you come back its settled" she couldnt go back to woodbury as she would have too much uptodate intel about how they are structuring heir defence position at the prison for the oncoming war.
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yeah i guess you are right, just didn't feel that way after she cried "i can't go back there"
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I took it as her meaning (after what she learned about what the governor is actually like) that she doesn't belong with them anymore, the governor probably sickens her now. And Hershel meant, if you leave there then that is it with your connection to woodbury, she will officially be an enemy to the governor. So I think her going back is her having some kind of plan, even though the governor is not dumb, I'm sure he doesn't trust her in anyway. So they both know they're no longer friends but at least for now she can pretend, and be closer to him.
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A couple of eps ago I was thinking that at some point it would be Andrea that will realize what the Govs real nature is and warn Team Rick. I'm starting to think that it will be Milton.
Andrea is blind when there is a man and a bed near by but I believe Milton is now No1 candidate for betraying Gov and warn Rick
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Oh I definitely think there's going to be mutiny on the side of woodbury. Or I hope so, with Milton and now a little Martinez, he's got feelings too. Although I think most likely Daryl's going to have to kill him, since they had a little bro-moment it'll be the more tragic.
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I kinda like Milton. and the prison-team needs a smart guy there so.. please don't let them kill off Milton, who else is going to do the science-stuff..
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The only way to redeem Andrea is by killing her off (hey it worked with Lori), are the writers trying to get us to hate her so that when she bites the bullets it would be okay? I mean really, she visits the prison, everyone tells her what an ass the govt is, she goes back almost kills him and then... TELLS him about the whole Shane/Baby thing?? REALLYY??!!

I would def trade Martinez and Milton for Andrea.. this episode did a really good job with these two.
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As much as they're making Andrea annoying she's the only one talking sense. I mean it's what I yell at the tv every week. "Seriously you guys have to fight eachother?! There is a zombie apocalypse going on, common enemy!" Men and their wars.
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Thats what I said, but then I think, something that crazy going on in the world, food, water and medicine are in short supply, it would really make you suspicious of everyone. Its like we saw last week, that guy was running and yelling "Help me! Help me!" but they drove on past him, and when they came back and saw he's been eaten, they just took his rucksack. Hard times call for hard people. Every man for himself I guess.
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ha yes! that part i agree with.. like stop thinking small people.. u need the numbers in your favor! rebuild.. but i guess like always it goes down to who then would be in charge... and apparently what the world of TWD is showing us is that to be in charge.. u gotta be broken somehow...
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I hated the fact Andrea talked about Rick's dirty laundry. She's such a gossiping lady :')))
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When Rick said "Oh, I see him all right." to the Governor's devil comment, for a second there, and don't ask me why, I was in love with him.
The episode had a lot of great moments.

Liked this:
"Is The Walking Dead some complex metaphor for failed marriages?"
But aren't the two black people of the group of four, which was at the prison, married?
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No Tyreese and Sasha are brother and sister
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Martinez called Daryl a pussy, not the other way around. Daryl, however, called him a douchebag.
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Are the weekly GIFs basically the zombie kill of the week?
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On another note, How can Rick just "give" Michonne to the Governor? These survivors aren't prisoners/commodities, or are they?
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Is your question about logistics or morality? Logistically, Rick can tell Michonne to come with him to scout Woodbury, stop at the meeting place where the Governor and his henchmen are waiting, then let them take her. Morally, well, that's what makes it interesting, right? TWD is often less about zombies and more about the value of human life -- we've seen plenty of people kill each other for their own benefit.
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No they are not. But Rick indeed can "give" Michonne to the Governor, albeit with force.
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I'm surprised to learn that some people thought this last episode was boring as I could not disagree more on this. I thought this last episode was slow, but never boring. Two leaders had a chat, they shared their views and now we're up for a civil war, how could this be boring, huh? You want boring go watch some of the 2nd season's episodes at a rate one per week as they were originally aired, then let's talk boring. On side note, watching season 2 in greater bulks isn't boring in the slightest.
Daryl and Martinez interacting was so damn cool that I'm really sorry that most probably at some point they're gonna rip each other throats. And Andrea, quite surprisingly for me, is definitely set on a path of redemption. Still not fully giving her a pass on being such a stupid blond for this long during season 3, but Andrea working her way back to Rick's camp (mentally to begin with) is so much better than her fully enamored by the Gov'. And it seems she gets some sort of her much needed redemption pretty soon, s for now I'm hushing my inner 'kill her off' voice.
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I think your right about Martinez and Daryl, but I think it would be great if at some point in the middle of the battle Martinez decides to save Daryl and switch sides.
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that would be quite awesome. Martinez is a strong character from what we've been shown, and I'd love to see more of him.
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"And that "far" is abandoning his lookout post and endangering the lives of his friends for a quickie with Maggie. In his defense, it's Maggie. "

- And that is more than enough for me. I'd pardon a sneak attack if Maggie was the excuse. So fine!
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"The only reason I'm here is to accept your surrender" --The Governor.
"Please leave Andrea, Rick and I have a lot to talk about" --The Governor (8 seconds later.)
"The only reason I'm here is to get Michonne" --The Governor (Well after I've stopped caring.)


The dialogue really tells the story of this episode.
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The most telling thing about the Governor in this episode: he had a gun duct-taped to the table, but *never* went for it, or even fingered it in anticipation. When you saw the gun, you thought, "he's going to get the drop on Rick!"

But no. The gun was an insurance policy, because Rick is unpredictable. That means the Governor never intended to ambush the Prison emissaries -- he has 100% faith in his plan, and he's also probably being honest when he says he wants it done without bloodshed.
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"... and he's also probably being honest when he says he wants it done without bloodshed."

I believe he tells Milton back at Woodbury that he lied about any deal and that he intends to kill them all.
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Your right. I should have been more clear -- I meant without bloodshed to his side. That doesn't make him a good man by any stretch, but it also doesn't make him a *complete* raging psycho. Just a regular ol' power-hungry jackass.

Thanks for the correction!
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"Rick, on the other hand, chose to bring his lying game back to the prisonfolk, telling them that The Governor was going to murder everyone in sight."

This wasn't a lie. Rick knew exactly what the Governor meant. But as he confides to Hershel in the end, he's been second-guessing himself about the Michonne thing. For the record, I don't think he'll do it.

"And that 'far' is abandoning his lookout post and endangering the lives of his friends for a quickie with Maggie."

I don't think the scene was about him abandoning his post so much as to show us a) he and Maggie are now officially back to where they were, and b) Maggie will probably be pregnant soon.

"The prison is officially boring."

Don't worry, Tim. I'm pretty sure you won't have to see it for much longer . . .
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I propose that you review the Walking Dead episodes. I don't mean that as a snark. I like your insights.
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Heh. If Tim ever calls me in as a replacement, I'll be sure to thank you!
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The smartest thing for Rick's group would be to leave the prison... but that would make for a boring season finale and therefore won't happen.
But really? Choosing to face up against gun-wielding people or biting/scratching slow walking zombies? I'd choose to leave and take my chances against the zombies.

I am glad that Andrea got kicked out of the meeting... she's soo annoying and useless. She knows that the governor is cookoo but still goes with him. What a duntz
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he called him a douchebag not a pussy over the menthal comment
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