The Walking Dead "Crossed" Review: Lines in the Sand

The Walking Dead S05E07: "Crossed"

The episode before The Walking Dead's mid-season finale probably shouldn't carry as much weight as the episode before the season finale, but given how great the show has been lately, I probably screwed everything up by expecting big things from "Crossed," too. The penultimate episode of Season 5A, "Crossed" wasn't a bad episode, but it immediately jumps to the front of the line for the title of worst—no, wait, that sounds bad, so let's say "least good"—episode of Season 5 so far. For the most part, it was an uneventful set-up installment that went through the motions of catching us up and preparing us for the buckets of blood that will probably be spilled in the next week's finale. 

After telling so many good stories with character-specific episodes and making us *gasp* feel things, The Walking Dead retreated to standard ensemble-drama storytelling this week, bouncing back and forth between various groups... and groups within groups... and characters within groups within groups. "Crossed" was the polar opposite of the four episodes that preceded it, and the hour accentuated just how much The Walking Dead has improved in recent weeks by taking its time with character development. "Crossed" felt overstuffed, and at times it was even a bit frantic. 


The fallout from other Season 5 episodes—Abraham learning the truth about Eugene, Carol being wheeled into the hospital, Daryl coaxing someone out of the woods—all came together in "Crossed" as the storylines converged chronologically, but their impact and importance fizzled along the way. Perhaps that's because it's been several weeks since we first wondered who was in the woods with Daryl, or perhaps that's because the question had been all but answered last week, or perhaps that's because the answer ultimately wasn't that big of a deal. In retrospect, what was the point of transforming Daryl's return with a mystery companion into a cliffhanger, other than audience manipulation? I feel a bit hoodwinked. 

Same goes for Carol's surprise visit to the hospital. It was shocking at the end of "Slabtown," but it didn't really pay off later because how she ended up there was the only question we had left to puzzle over, and it just sorta happened. 

And if you were expecting fireworks from Abraham after Eugene's confession obliterated his world, well, I hope you enjoyed watching a man kneel for 90 percent of his screentime. I've appreciated The Walking Dead's attempts to switch things up by teasing the audience with juicy reveals along the way, but like the inevitably undercooked turkey I'll prepare later this week, "Crossed" could've used a little more time in the oven. 

However, the episode did appropriately set things up for The Walking Dead's winter finale. Issues of trust and moving on were the theme of the hour, as lines were drawn for characters to decide where they stood. Glenn offered Rosita a membership in the Glenn and Maggie Club, whether Abraham joined them or not (she accepted). Tyreese told Sasha to say buh-bye to Bob and rejoin the world of the living (she's working on it). Rick's assault group had to decide whether or not to trust a couple Grady cops when they said they wanted to oust Dawn on their own (it seemed like they shouldn't be trusted). And Father Gabriel ran away screaming when presented with the option of taking up arms or, well, running away screaming. 


Along the way, there were a few moments that worked better than others. I wasn't a fan of Tyreese encouraging Sasha to move on, probably because I still have problems with Sasha and his pep talk wasn't just something we've already seen on The Walking Dead, it was something that TV in general regularly beats us over the head with. But Glenn's fishing trip with Tara and Rosita was effective because it helped us get to know Rosita better, and because it established a sense of real companionship between them, bringing both Rosita and Tara into the foreground. It also helped explain why Rosita is dressed like an anime character instead of a survivor of the zombie apocalypse: She keeps ripping up her clothes to make water filters! 

Because "Crossed" bounced around like an Olympic ping-pong ball, I'll go ahead and hop around like mad to cover some other lingering questions I had instead of stooping to forced segues. I don't understand Father Gabriel at all. If the answer to why he decided to leave the church is that he's a coward, then okay. But cowards make for boring TV characters because their actions are so predictable. And if he's so scared, why would he leave the protection of others, particularly one buffed swordswoman whose arms are bigger than mine? Gabriel hasn't yet had a character episode to himself, and without that, all we do is watch him and think, "What the eff are you doing, bro?" Why would you run out into the woods solo, especially when you have the worse sense of hearing in the world? Seriously, the dude heard three twigs snap and looked in the entirely wrong direction each time. The only thing preventing me from abandoning all interest in Gabriel is the hope that he took off from the church because he doesn't trust himself, and he doesn't want a repeat of what he did before. If he's alone, he can't be a dick to other people. But right now he's just a 'fraidy cat and a dummy in my eyes. 

Elsewhere, why would Dawn give Beth the key to the drug locker? Doctor Edwards warned Beth that Dawn wouldn't do such a thing out of the goodness of her heart, and I'm inclined to agree. But what's Dawn's angle? Is it to test Beth's trustworthiness? Didn't Beth fail that test when she tried to make her great escape? Does Dawn actually want Carol to be saved but can't risk looking like a wimp in front of her cop buddies? There's nothing I can think of that makes Dawn's decision reasonable, other than the very outside (and ridiculous) chance that Dawn swapped out some drugs or mismatched some labels or did something along those lines to hurt Carol and play mind games with Beth. Hopefully, the writers have thought it though better than I have. 

And Officer Lamson played Sasha real good at the end there. But now everything we thought we knew about Dawn's forces is in total question. Are we supposed to believe the cops who said they wanted her out? Is Lamson working on his own? Is Noah somehow involved in a larger plot (though I don't see anything he would gain from setting up Rick's group)? I mentioned this up last week, and it's even more applicable now: Is Dawn's group even a real threat to Rick's? They've been built up as some strong evil empire, but I haven't seen proof of that yet. Is Dawn really as bad as we've been told she is? Why don't the cops coup her ass if they're so worried? And why would the first option for Rick be to go to war? I have so many questions about Dawn's group and Grady that they've become a diluted and murky enemy, and that's not good considering they're Rick and the gang's big antagonists for the mid-season finale. We need to feel something—fear, anger, reluctant admiration—for them, but right now, my mind goes totally blank when I think about them. All these questions I have about them don't even create an air of mystery; they're just questions. 

So that was "Crossed," a laborious set-up episode that set out to do a job and did it. It had some good moments, but it had even more plain moments. Hopefully next week's mid-season finale comes through with some good action to satisfy us until February, when The Walking Dead returns. And hopefully, the hospital storyline is resolved completely next week, because I'm not interested in waiting a few months to see what happens.



BITEMARKS

– Daryl wacking jerk cop with the head of a walker was suh-weeeeet. (Thank you for the .GIF, Hoss1121!)

– GREATM is the ultimate 'ship! 

– Carl isn't a very forgiving weapons instructor: "Pick a weapon." [Gabriel grabs a machete.] Carl: "YOU'RE HOLDING IT WRONG!!!" Chill out Carl.

– Season 5 is the most Rick-free season of The Walking Dead to date. Even when he's calling the shots, he's not calling the shots. I'm ready for the series to go back to him. And I never thought I'd hear myself say that.


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Nov 30, 2014
The world must be ending because i wholeheartedly agree with Tim and to quote Tim "I never thought I'd hear myself say that"

This ep was the worst of season 5 so far, season 5 has had it critics (especially the beth centric ep) but this felt too.... set-up to me. And i agree that the Hospital story is not menacing at all.
I don't understand the writers' motives to get rid of the terminus folk, only for the group to encounter another 'Sinister' (i use that term lightly) group straight away without anything at all for the audience to emotionally involve themselves with. The story has just fallen flat IMO and the Mid-Season Finale needs to up the stakes if the writers' want my investment in this tiresome endeavour.

Norman Reedus has promised a 'Devastating' Mid-Season Finale, so unless someone meaningful dies, or the Grady Crews' motives' become apparent then I think i'm gonna be disappointed

BTW have no idea what everybody's problem is with Rick, he has more of a personality than Daryl but everyone gets wet over him, strange.....
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Nov 30, 2014
It's not like Daryl or Tyreese are going to side with the very man that - supposedly - doesn't want Carol with them. It's already bad enough that Rick took Michonne's spot on the rescue mission.

Think about it: nobody saw Rick's smile the first time he saw her, they didn't hear their chat by the fire the night she was back, no one knows Rick held on to her watch despite he lost everything else. All they know is that Rick sent Carol away.
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Dec 01, 2014
But Rick is ok with Carol now, they patched things up in ep 2 didnt they
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Dec 01, 2014
Sadly for Rick, the only person that knows he's okay with Carol is Carol.

As far as Daryl, Sasha & Tyreese are concerned, Rick is still the man that banished Carol.
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Dec 01, 2014
do you seriously think Rick's leadership is in question because of something that clearly was resolved?
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Nov 27, 2014
classic set up episode. didnt think i´d say that, but i liked the ones focused on one character/part of the group better.
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Nov 27, 2014
All I can say is they should have listened to Rick.Now we dont knwo what will happen in the next episode.Hope they can save Caryl and Beth!
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Nov 30, 2014
The last time they listened to Rick they lost Hershel & the Prison, they are not going to risk Hershel's daughter and Carol now.
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Nov 26, 2014
I really liked the part that Rick was holding a gun towards the cop and was ready to pull, you could really see him thinking 'you are a threat to me and my people, I should bring you down now', and au contraire you have Abraham, who was standing at gunpoint across Maggie, you could also see him thinking 'please shoot me I think I wanna be shot anyway wait lemme think on that'. Strong stuff good acting. Rest of the episode was ok.
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Nov 26, 2014
I thought the episode was great.
I am a big fan of characterization but these last few weeks have been a real mess chronologically. The writer's inability to do character focused episodes while maintaining an accurate timeline just ruins the whole experience. Thought-provoking television only works if it is inspiring you to think, not if you are only thinking because you have to to sort out the mess of a timeline in your head.
This week's more sensible approach to storytelling was a return to form - unlike the past few weeks, it was both coherent and engaging without sacrificing development.
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Nov 26, 2014
@LexieS17: What really bothers me is not that they were lying, but that neither one of them thought to recruit Rick, even after Bob pointed out he carried himself like a real cop.

They could've easily save themselves the trouble if they would've only offered Rick a job in exchange of Carol.
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Nov 26, 2014
I can understand them making the offer even if they were lying.
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Nov 26, 2014
But they were just saying that to manipulate him.
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Nov 26, 2014
The more the reasons to manipulate him with something that sounded reasonable: should Lori would've found that Hospital in time for her C-section, Rick would've worked for them back then.

Since Carol needed that Hospital to survive her injuries, it stands to reason Rick would've worked for her as well. Why not offer it?
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Nov 26, 2014
I knew the Grady cops were lying as soon as they said "we wanna out Dawn, so we'll kill her for you and replace her with one of our own". Why? Cuz my first and immediate reaction was to scream at my tv "that's bullshit cuz if it was so easy to kill Dawn and replace her......you would have done it already." Why would this event (Rick's crew showing up) be the catalyst for you to do something you already wanted to do and the thing you wanted to do was super easy anyway? It makes no sense, cuz if that was the case then why hadn't you done it yet? What was your reason for waiting? So you had a reason to wait for God knows how long but then that reason suddenly disappeared once Rick's crew showed up? That makes no sense. If they truly wanted her gone and thought they could kill her easily and replace her, it would have been done already.
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Nov 26, 2014
@cuculhain: But Rick wasn't just planning to take Carol back. He wanted to kill every male cop inside that hospital, starting by the one that tried to free his hostages.

Noah and Daryl were satisfied to get them out of there, but Rick wasn't going to stop until he would kill a man. That's above and beyond Terminus, not only for Rick's standards but for everyone who got rescued by Carol back then.
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Nov 26, 2014
He wanted to kill every cop, not just the male ones. And at Terminus, as they were leaving he told everyone to kill them because they will kill you, and proceded to shoot 3 people in the back, one a woman. And then when they got out he started making plans to go back and kill everyone, and was talked out of it. He may have stayed a little peaceful but then Gareth and crew ate Bob's leg and tried to kill them. So Rick is just back to where he was at Terminus.
Tyreese I get, he has gone soft. But Darryl was fine with killing in Terminus too.
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Nov 26, 2014
Judging by the way Rick reacted to the female cop that tried to escape and the way he reacted to the male that almost took his hostages, it seemed like a gender thing to me.

Terminus people would only feast on them, but the possibility that one of the cops would touch Carol in a sexual manner set him off like you wouldn't believe it.
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Nov 25, 2014
Maximiliano Hernandez is on "Walking Dead"! Super awesome, but too bad for his character that his acting specialty is getting killed off.

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Nov 26, 2014
To be fair, he was HYDRA...and he's not doing so bad on the double agent front on this show too.
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Nov 25, 2014
Carl doesn´t feel safe anywhere. I think a deserted island would be the best bet. Easy to defend, and safe to live for a long time. Of course, where do they find an Island like that near by in USA? I don´t know enough geography. Any ideas?

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Nov 26, 2014
It would have to an island with plenty of natural resources. I would be afraid of running out of "stuff" and not being able to get back to the mainland to find more "stuff."
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Nov 25, 2014
its all going to go horribly wrong...............that's all I kept thinking throughout the episode and it was no surprise when whats'er face got bashed into the window (what IS her name? I can never seem to remember).

Why do I get the feeling that Carl, Judith and Michone aren't as safe in the church as they think? What IS the point of the priests character? Why is everyone so hyped up about the hospital and if its that easy to distract a few cops with stage coughing how have the 'patients' not risen against them before now? Why did Eugene sound like he had turned into a walker and if he didn't why hide that whole area behind the 'buckle up' sign when Glenn & Co walked back towards the fire truck? Why make us wait a week to find out the answers?
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Nov 25, 2014
Average episode Walking Dead tends to do this before a finale have a filler episode just to tease us. Highlights Darryl in was going to be eaten on on the deck cant believe Daryll would get bested in a fight? Couple of scenes didn't work Sasha following for the dumb move from Bob cop, hope next week is worth waiting for.
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Nov 25, 2014
"Daryl wacking jerk cop with the head of a walker was suh-weeeeet".

I totally agree. I must admit I was on the edge of my chair. It was so close.


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Nov 25, 2014
Am I the only one who's assuming that Eugene has turned into a walker?
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Nov 26, 2014
Subtitles showed Eugene saying "huh... hello?" So I was not thinking he turned into a walker...
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Nov 26, 2014
Okay, I never watch with subtitles but I don't recall him uttering anything like that. He was just making some weird sounds.
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Nov 25, 2014
I was sure that was the case: kept screaming Maggie not to get too close
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Nov 26, 2014
Likewise. Even though I knew nothing was gonna happen to Maggie.
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Nov 25, 2014
Nope. I thought for sure that was the case. But presuming Maggie would have had a reaction other than, "You're going to be ok"...or whatever she said.
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Nov 26, 2014
Yeah, you're right. I have a feeling Eugene will eventually become one of the tougher survivors.
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Nov 26, 2014
Oh god, I hope not. I had little time for him when he supposedly had a cure. Now that he's just some shmuck with a bad haircut, I have even less.
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Nov 25, 2014
hey ho hey ho! we are going on a rescue mission! let's kill everyone! but what if it gets messy? we really kill everyone? Or we could go for plan b! not kill anyone and trust everyone to do the right thing out of the goodness of their heart! rainbows and unicorns! whee! feelshugskisses with strawberries and if you're still hungry, there's fish! but make sure you kneel and don't step on nails lest you get a nasty footswellingzombieinfectofoot'n'u'die. what a silly episode... now, I don't need realism (as some pointed out the nutrition deficits or even the number of hair saloons everywhere and makeup etc, not talking about ammunition or even electricity...) suspension of disbelief ftw but... we could do with less 0815 bla bla bla schemes. or maybe we're all just not patient enough for the big reveal! right?
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Nov 25, 2014
Another thing that bothered me... Sasha and Bob barely talked on the way to Terminus. At least so little that she let him go on to hole up in the factory. They had a few kisses after that, but they were on the road with Maggie, so are we suppose to believe they shared a soul binding love connection while walking next to her? Because after Terminus they spent a day in the church with a group before he got kidnapped and barbequed.
I love a good Rihanna song, but that does not add up to finding love in a hopeless place. At least not enough to tear someone apart to the point of acting stupid in front of a hostage in a threatening situation. SHe tears her sleeve, she almost loses it. his friends name is Bob and she walks off with him alone. These are the kinds of rookie mistake we saw at the beginning of the show, and they made little sense then because those people were already long time survivors in the ZA. To add another couple years of surviving, just to have her turn stupid? I don't like it.
And finding out she is pregnant in real life, where shooting around it might be more difficult than she led on on Talking Dead, maybe she is not long for this world in the second half of the season.
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Nov 25, 2014
You're paying way to close attention ;)

Bob and Sasha is one of many forced story arcs TWD has tried to push down the viewers' throats saying, "You're going to eat this and like it".

Best just to accept that this is what they want us to believe, roll your eyes and say, "Okay TWD...whatever you say".
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Nov 25, 2014
Love in a zombie apocalypse is hard because there is no time four courtship: affection is shown by letting someone in, going back to them whenever they got separated and sticking by their side for as long as they both shall iive.

Sasha let Bob in, she feels so much for him he's still real even after he died. She can't go back to him like Rick & Daryl are going back to Carol, but he can still change her mood, guide her choices and make her vulnerable in a way no one can't.

It's how the other Bob could outsmarted her.
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Nov 25, 2014
for instead of four
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Nov 25, 2014
As others have pointed out, why bring Tyrese? He's clearly not in any shape to fight humans, and doesn't exactly contribute anything special to the group. Michonne makes way more sense since she's got the combat skills and presumably can be pretty damn stealthy from her time surviving alone. Rick and everyone else at the church group have really gotten the shaft in terms of development the last few episodes, since most of the time we're focused on Gabriel whenever we linger on those guys. His plot isn't even moving along, he's still just as "mysterious" as when he was introduced.

It's too bad because he seems like such a wasted character. Exploring the religious implications of a zombie filled world could be pretty interesting, plus they got a pretty solid actor for the character.

This was definitely one of the weaker episodes, but it wasn't outright bad, just lacking I guess. You kind of had to know it was coming because they needed an episode to just set up all the pieces for the mid season finale, which hopefully won't be a let down. I'm not really buying these hospital guys as big bads though. They just seem awfully incompetent and I don't even really know what their end game is. It'd be interesting if they were trying to reclaim Atlanta or something, but they seem pretty content just staying in their hospital and randomly bringing in more people even though they don't have the supplies.
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Nov 25, 2014
They bring the guy who's having a moral crisis because how else would they be able to create conflict within the group and ultimately go with the plan that lead to the end of the episode. Well, that and stupidity on Sasha's part, but that's how this show rolls...creating conflict and tension not by characters doing what they probably should do, but by doing what they shouldn't.


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Nov 26, 2014
Rick brought Tyreese because he knows the man cares about Carol: they walked all the way to Terminus and he didn'd kill her, despite he all but swore that's what he was going to do to whoever kill Karen.

Little did he know they would switch places and Tyreese would be the Rick for Rick's Tyreese once those cops took Carol.
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Nov 25, 2014
That's right, that's what the writers do sometimes on TWD and much more often on other shows (may I mention TVD?) - but that doesn't make it any less sloppy or lazy. A truly good show creates conflict and tension without such cheap tricks... Sigh. Oh well, I enjoy TWD anyway!
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Nov 26, 2014
It's also worth notice Rick had to physically beat him senseless restrain Tyreese once Karen was taken from him, he probably figured out he wouldn't restrain anyone trying to get Carol back.

Plus, Sasha and Daryl were closer to Beth than Rick himself, so it was probably the reason he brought them too.
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Nov 26, 2014
Actually, I think that's why Rick took Michonne's place on the rescue party: he obviously want to leave Judith & Carl, he certainly didn't agree with Daryl & Tyreese's plan, he didn't feel a bond with his fellow cops.

Rick took Michonne's spot because he would rather be Carol's chance for survival than trust her to anyone else.

It's kind of sweet considering the way the ended at "Indifference" last year.
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Nov 26, 2014
Sorry who cares if Tyreese is closer to Carol than Michonne, if Michonne is likelier to get Carol back alive. Carol herself probably won't mind having a greater chance at survival. Just hit Tyreese over the head when unexpected; then he would've stayed in the church, and Michonne would have been able to join. It's being practical that keeps you alive. I have no patience for "but Tyreese feels closer to her bla bla bla...."
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Nov 25, 2014
That is my very definition of lazy, sloppy writing. Sort of like the ninja zombies sneaking up on people. It's the cheapest way to get to the result you want.

I still think one of the most tense scenes in this series was from the season 2 premiere (I think) when they got stuck on a highway of abandoned cars trying to fix the RV. A heard of walkers was coming so they all found hiding spots. Seeing them hide under cars and zombie feet limped past...FANTASTIC! It's a shame that since they they predominately take the easy route.

Instead of Tyreese, all that would have been needed is a couple of scenes of conversation establishing that the folks in the hospital might not actually be all that bad and that perhaps killing them all wasn't the only option.
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Nov 26, 2014
Gabriel is just one example. Rick, Carol, Michonne, Sasha...on and on. This isn't a character thing, it's a show thing. To artificially create drama and tension, they're either materialize zombies out of nowhere or have them "sneak up" on people. It's ridiculous.
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Nov 26, 2014
Even baby Judith would snuck up on Gabriel: the Strangers episode established that was his very first encounter with walkers up close and personal.

Unless you count the food bank, this episode must have been the second encounter Gabriel has with zombies overall.
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Nov 26, 2014
I'm talking about the zombies that "snuck up" on the preacher at the end. It's an old and tired trick TWD uses all the time. People walking along, minding their own business, when all of a sudden, BOOM...there's a zombie right on them who was apparently tip toeing
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Nov 26, 2014
They aren't ninja: they are napalmed zombies.

Shane & Lori spent their season 2 flashbacks on the bombing of Atlanta, Dr. Jenner mentioned it way back in season 1. Even some of the soldiers the Governor killed talked about it.

Napalmed zombies have been years in the making.
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Nov 25, 2014
I guess...affection is hard in a zombie apocalypse, Rick couldn't split Tyreese & Carol any more than Tyreese & Sasha, he knew he couldn't split Daryl from both Beth & Carol and, for some reason, Rick wouldn't give up his own spot to Michonne for anything in the world.

Lets face it, it's not like he could let Carl & Gabriel alone with Judith.
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Nov 27, 2014
I think Rick just wanted to leave someone he could trust to defend Judith and Carl if necessary. Michonne was his best choice. Despite Tyreese's closeness to Judith, he jeopardized her safety in the shack outside of Terminus when he turned his back on the termite guy (cannot remember his name). Rick may not have known about that incident, but he knows Tyreese is struggling to maintain his humanity and ins't comfortable with the constant killing.

Also, there's always a chance that when the group splits up, they will never reunite. Suppose Rick and his party do not make it back to the church? If that should happen, he wants someone at the church who would be capable of taking care of his kids. Michonne fits that bill in several ways. She has a strong bond with Carl and could serve as his (and Judith's) parental figure if necessary. She had a child of her own, so she is prepared to take care of a baby. And she is resourceful, strong, and battle-ready. She is the likely choice for Rick to leave behind at the Church with his two kids.
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Nov 27, 2014
If Rick wanted to leave someone he could trust to defend Judith and Carl: Rick was the best choice.

The more the reasons if there's the chance the group splits up and never reunite: should that rescue party never make it back to the church, Rick would've been with his children. Now he's with Carol or rather the possibility to reunite with Carol.

The fact Rick took Michonne spot fully aware of the odds of that happening, makes it personal in a way it wasn't for Tyreese (he's with his only family out there, should they split Sasha will be with him).
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Nov 25, 2014
I really do appreciate what they are trying to do this season, make it feel more like LOST, but I just can't seem to care about anything this season. Just get to the bloody finale already and let me see people die.
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Nov 25, 2014
Ok, I didn't like this episode, but it could be worse. I was very angry with Sasha, she proved to be very stupid.
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Nov 25, 2014
Imma need Rick to come back to the forefront. Like others have said, the show simply isn't the same without his character. Though I wasn't a fan of 2x05, the format where episodes focus on particular characters is beneficial because there's enough time to tell a story adequately as well as give characters screen time. However, I'm not a fan of going 3 weeks without seeing Rick, Carl, Michonne and other church group members.

As for Tyrese and Sasha, I like them but Tyrese needs to get over this peaceful bullshit. It's been shown repeatedly that it doesn't work with most people in power positions in this post-apocalyptic world. Otherwise, it gets people killed or put in life threatening situations. We may need to head back towards a Rictatorship. Yes, Sasha was dumb in trusting the cop but come on, it's only been a day or three since Bob's death.

Can anyone else see Father Gabriel bringing a herd of walkers back to church? In the sneak peek that glass looked like it was really close to breaking......
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Nov 25, 2014
I've got to admit, I like Rick better when he's just one of the boys

Don't get me wrong, it was great to watch Rick cherish Carol and go these lengths for her so they could come home together, if only because the last time they ever left together he came home without her.

But I liked that his personal reasons had to be pushed back for Sasha's personal mourning, that he had to forget his plan because Tyreese and Daryl outvoted him.

I like that Rick has to struggle with the same problems any of them would while trying to rescue someone they care about. Makes him more relateable than any lead that gets to do everything he or she wants just because he or she is the lead of the show
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Nov 25, 2014
Definitely not the best episode so far. Not the worst, though, since I personally felt meh about the Abraham meltdown - mostly because, as a fan of the comics, I already knew the big spoiler, and Abraham is just not that endearing of a character. Even in the comics he was kind of a dick. But I digress.

This episode had some strong moments, and some more bullshit. I am totally ready for Tyreese to join the undead hordes. He is just poison for the group. His puss antics have cost the group way too much already. Bob lost a leg. Sasha lost consciousness. What next?

And Daryl? Et tu? Those dicks have Carol AND Beth, the two most important women in your entire life! And you showed mercy on that cop that almost fed you to the Zombie-melt? I'm sorry, that big sonofabitch looks like trouble. Rick should have carved him a new face-hole immediately.

And, Gabriel, you please die too. Maybe Gabriel and Tyreese should go on a vision quest together in the woods with no weapons. And why did Michonne stay behind? Arguably your best soldier and you left her to babysit? That's mama Tyreese's thing. Stupid.

That's basically what I came out of this episode with. Stupid. The group was stupid for taking the "soft" way out. They deserve what they get. Beth was stupid for doing anything Dawn said. Gabriel is just stupid. No way that guy would still be alive. And Abraham is stupid for being a big baby. Stop wasting water! The only person that I came away with any respect for was Tara (and maybe Rosita, though her character needs some more development). Tara is awesome. Funny. Cute. Clever. And she gets it. Don't cry over spilled milk. Everyone else take a cue - especially you Sasha.
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Nov 25, 2014
Tara is growing into big favorite of mine: she can turn simple water into a most amazing group name, a desperate situation into a fishing trip, and all these bitter warriors into the 20 year olds they actually are.
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Nov 25, 2014
I'm surprised how much I like Tara now, I really hated her for every second of screen time she had in season 4. But this season she's grown on me a lot and I hope she sticks around (aka doesn't get eaten) any time soon.
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Nov 27, 2014
I have to agree with you and ionee24. Last year, I was not a Tara fan at all, but she has earned her place in the group this year.
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Nov 25, 2014
As you said, there's not enough Rick in this season, when we see more of people like Sasha or the combat barbie with Glenn's group than Rick, Michonne, Darryl, or really anyone cool (besides Carol) you've got yourself a problem.
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Nov 25, 2014
I really hope the only reason the brought the useless Sacha and Tyrese insted of Michonne is because they needed someone to be killed during the rescue, just like those red shirt guys in Star Trek...
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Nov 25, 2014
I really didn't understand why tyreese was there and michone was left behind. It makes no sense given how passive tyreese has been, so your thought is pretty valid.
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Nov 26, 2014
Sasha was closer to Beth than Michonne was, they quickly bonded the first time they reached the prison and I'm guessing that didn't change after Sasha & Tyreese left Woodbury with the rest of the people.

That being said, the episode established early on that it was Rick the one who took Michonne's place, not the siblings. Michonne offered to go, but Rick insisted he would go instead of her.

One of the perks of being one of the boys is that Rick wasn't obligated to tag along: Daryl was in charge, Noah had the intel, Rick could've stayed with his family.
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Nov 25, 2014
I agree, i like it best when Rick it as the front of the show & leading.
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Nov 25, 2014
On the other hand, it was rather sweet to see Beth & Carol holding hands. After all is said and done, they are each other's next of kin.

Hurry up, Daryl!
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Nov 25, 2014
Should've gone with Rick's plan.
Idiots.
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Nov 25, 2014
I miss the time this show was awesome....
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Nov 25, 2014
I have one small question-- How do they prevent themselves from getting scurvy and other mineral and vitamin diet based deficiency diseases? I can see a diet high in protein, but lacking in Vitamin C, , K, B-6, B-12 and fun minerals like Calcium, Zinc, Copper, ect and so on-- all of which lead to some pretty serious issues. I don't see these people practicing the ancient art of subsistence farming...

Also where do they get all the ammunition for the guns??? Smokeless Powder doesn't grow on trees! Jacketed Lead-Core Projectiles aren't pulled from the Earth like Root Vegetables, and Prucussion Ignition Primers Don't Fall From The Heavens Like Mana!!!
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Nov 26, 2014
Short answer is: they don't. Hence why most of the cast died last season of flue symptoms (it wasn't even the illness, but what it does to you without meds/vitamins)

As for the guns, there's a bunch of "claimers" with their throaths ripped apart that can't claim them back anymore.
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Nov 26, 2014
All of the Cast should be dead at this point in time.

And

As far as guns go-- They RUST EASILY.... Especially in the South. Then you have the simple issues of just usage: in the first days of the Zombie Apocalypse-- GUNS and Ammo would be flying off the Shelves and then it would be flying like hot-cakes from the bores!

Give a Redneck an AR-15 Chassis weapon and 50x30rnd Mags and you see 1500rnds expended in no time! I used call these sorts of boys back in the USMC the Big Hoss!!!!
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Nov 26, 2014
To be completely fair, Carol had to recharge that cube van for a day and a half back at Strangers (episode 2).
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Nov 26, 2014
Recharge it with what exactly? The batteries in a portable charger are the same as the batteries in a car, but without the added benefit of an alternator to keep them running longer. It's not like she could plug it in somewhere.
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Nov 26, 2014
If we're going to hold TWD accountable to the real world, I'm still wondering how any of the vehicles they find still work. Best case, the batteries should be well past dead. Worst case, any gas that could be found has gone "skunky". And that doesn't count all the various parts that would have completely seized.

Daryl hoping in and driving away in that cube van is about a realistic as nobody dying of bacterial infection.
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Nov 26, 2014
Almost all of the season 1 cast are dead:

Out of Rick's family there's only Carl left, Lori & Shane died.

Out of Glenn's camp there's only Glenn left, he met Maggie at the farm and everyone with him - Amy, Dale, Andrea, Jim, Jacqui, T-Dog, Shane, etc. - are dead.

Out of Carol's family there's only Carol left, husband (Ed), daughter (Sophia), best friend (Lori), best friend's lover (Shane) they are all dead.

Out of the Dixon family there's only Daryl left, out of the Jones there's only Morgan left, we can't say whether the Morales are dead or alive, but almost everyone they ever met before Rick are.

It's easy to forget Abraham's is Glenn's third group, that Rick and Carol aren't family, that Daryl was once an outsider for a group of people that no longer exists.
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Nov 26, 2014
It wasn't a month, those soldiers died just a few days before Rick enters Atlanta, the tank got there after Atlanta was bombed.

Jenner and the CDC lasted a week after Rick went to Atlanta and they were the only active facility since the whole thing started.
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Nov 26, 2014
I've watched maybe 6 episodes in season 1... When Rick got stuck in the M1A1 tank and some how the radio was able to operate after supposedly being on for months without recharging I pretty much decided to check out.
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Nov 25, 2014
Don't ask silly questions ;)

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Nov 26, 2014
I know right??? I mean obviously they have an unlimited amount of factory made ammo and Health Bars!
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Nov 25, 2014
Wake me when they bust out Carol and Beth. zzzzzzzzzz
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Nov 26, 2014
It's The Walking Dead: I don't assume they will bust out Carol and Beth any more than I assume everyone at Gabriel's church is safe.
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Nov 26, 2014
Yes, it was just my way of saying that this episode was a snoozer for me. I know that no one is safe.
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Nov 24, 2014
I'm starting to lose interest again. I thought Rick had a decent plan laid out, but then dumbass Tyrese had to fuck it up with peace bullshit, and the most shocking thing was that Daryl of all people sided with him. Really, it seemed like Rick was the only one who thought it was a good plan and the only one that wasn't crazy about the peace plan. They should have left Tyrese and Sasha behind at the church, not Michonne. They can kill Tyrese, Sasha, Dawn, all these cops, I don't care. I don't want to spend anymore time in this bullshit place with Dawn.
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Nov 25, 2014
YESSSS! I wish I could give you more than one thumbs up. (Also, I think you might enjoy my mini-photo recap in the comments below.)
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Nov 24, 2014
seeing Daryl almost have his fingers bit off by that walker when he reached into it's mouth was scaaaary.
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Nov 25, 2014
Moments like these make me forget Daryl is Daryl, and I just fear for his life like crazy!
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Nov 24, 2014
So now we have Michonne, Carl and Judith at the church. Father Gabriel at the woods. Rick, Darryl, Sasha and Tyreese at the city, Beth and Carol at the hospital and GREATM in the middle of nowhere.

Are Michonne and Carl gonna sit there the whole next episode until everyone comes back? Hopefully they run away looking for Father Gabriel.

Would be nice if Father Gabriel came upon GREATM just to cross both groups' paths.

I want to see Dawn do something brutal, just to make her seem like a real antagonist, and I want to see Beth slap the sh*t out of Dawn before leaving the hospital.

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Nov 24, 2014
Worse than episodes 4 5 and 6? In which nothing really happened? I'd give you the Carol and Daryl episode because their characters rock, but the rest were worse than this. All setting up some run-of-the-mill bad guys for a midseason finale just to set up that they are at a hospital and can move on easily from there.

As for Sasha, she was really stupid but it was nicely set up why she would trust this 'Bob' dude.
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Nov 24, 2014
Not so good episode, and the promo for next episode does not seem so very exciting either.


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Nov 24, 2014
yeah the whole 'I'll shoot yer buddy coz I'm a nice gal...and a good shot...and whilst I've got my back turned, I'm trusting you NOT to try and disarm me'. Oh man. Thats just cheese. The one part I DID love was Rick and him wanting to put a bullet into that cops face. That guy is BAD ASS!!! lol...love it! after the whole 'three is better than two' comment, I turned to the mrs and said 'oh man...he's a cold killer now'. Rick for PM! (or president). Agree with the review re the grady cops. its like they're bad guys, and yet they are still dressed as cops, acting like cops and rescuing people....so eh....whats wrong again? Final point...I'm STILL trying to decide whether Dawn is hot or not. I dig chicks in uniform but Dawn? hmmm.....
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Nov 24, 2014
Once again, it doesn't bother me that Rick was ready to put a bullet in his face, what troubles me is that Daryl wasn't.
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Nov 25, 2014
Well I guess you don't want 'our' group (ie. Rick and co) to turn into those dickheads that Daryl rolled with at the end of Season 4 (ie. after he lost Beth) - they just kill. I guess you have to TRY and keep your humanity, even when everything else in the world has turned to shit. Remember...pain leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to...... :)
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Nov 25, 2014
Me? I'm with GREATM, I'm no longer part of Rick's group ever since GREATM exists.
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Nov 25, 2014
Yeah, what the heck is going on with Daryl since the prev episode too? How did he possibly agree with Tyreese's plan over Rick?
Is he trying to "balance" Carol now, somehow?
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Nov 25, 2014
He was supposed to handle Tyreese, at least that was the last decent conversation Daryl had with Rick before the prison got destroyed.

And yet, ever since Tyreese and Carol came back, Daryl has been handling Rick instead of Tyreese.
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Nov 24, 2014
Yeah! I agree with you Tim: The Walking Dead without Rick is just .... boring. That´s it, I say it. The show loses tension and drama without Andrew Lincoln. And it´s worse when he is actually in the episode, like this one, but he is in the shadows. Why is this happening. This season so far has been a disappointment. It did started good, but some how, after episode three, it kind of died. I mean, in could remember what had happened in the church, but it felt far and the drama of the killing, the cannibals, Bob, all felt shallow.
This episode should have brought the tension and the drama back, it should have brought the story back. But it didn´t. it was for me a weak and lousy episode. Only the group fishing and filtering water were kind of fun to watch.
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Nov 24, 2014
GREATM is indeed the ultimate ship.

Thank you Tara!
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Nov 24, 2014
I didn't like the ending because it was wayyyyyy too predictable.
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Nov 24, 2014
Daryl ripping out the walker's head like a boss! and dam Sasha don't turn your back on Agent Sitwell/Bob
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Nov 25, 2014
He's HYDRA!

...Just kidding, I can't really blame Sasha once his name was revealed to be Bob. I'm just grateful it wasn't Rick the one who lowered his guard because Bob was a fellow cop.
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Nov 26, 2014
Maybe he's part of new Hydra heh
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Nov 24, 2014
Wow, actual survival stuff in a survival based show. Who would have thunk it?

But the episode still lacks. They are still making the same mistakes over and over again. It is just this time, seemingly, Rick knows that it is wrong but then he listens to morons like Tyrese and does the wrong decision. Who in their right mind would listen to that waste of space? Seriously man? Shoot the cops.

Sasha deserved it. Stupidity should be painful.

Why in the world is the Reverend still alive and who in their right mind would leave him with Judith. They know the man isn't right, they know he screwed over his parishioners, they can't possibly trust him. So who in the world would leave him with Michonne, I was really really hoping that she would have stabbed him as he crawled under the the church. Also are we not going to talk about Judith aging a year despite the story being ambiguous as far as the time table going.

Their plan to save Beth and Carol is moronic. It is really no different then what they went through with The Governor and we know how well that turned out. A better idea would have been to kill the cops, use their new found suppressors (Seriously how are they finding all of the suppressors, and they know that they just don't fit on the ends of guns right? And they know that the bullets shoot lower than normal right? Ah never mind, who cares about reality) Shoot the lookouts, then make entry and shoot anyone with a uniform they come across. They have Noah, they know the layout that gives them a tactical advantage. Also, the fact that all of the cops have uniforms puts them at a tactical disadvantage. So this whole meet up they are planning is just silly.

Beth, eh,

Dawn, I can't tell if they are making her stupid or trying to make her just really duplicitous. Either way she lacks as a character.

The whole stuff with Abraham and Glen's group was all right. However, they can get water and fish, but they can't get out of the direct sun and under cover? Come on.
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Nov 24, 2014
I agree with a lot of this. I hope they kill Tyrese and Sasha, because I can't stand either one of them. They should have swapped Tyrese and Sasha with Carl and Michonne in this mission.
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Nov 25, 2014
I like Sasha, and I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt, because Bob died a day and a half ago.

Tyrese on the other hand has been working my last nerve since last season. I could write pages on why he's the most wasted annoying character. Why they brought him instead of Michonne is ridiculous. Unless they need Michonne to run into Morgan...

My guess is Carol dies next week.
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Nov 26, 2014
Sasha is basically cloaked in his clothes by now and Bob always taught Sasha to open up and let people in, there's a risk involved not being alone and Bob always took it.

Sasha just took the same risk as he did.
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Nov 25, 2014
I know that Bob died a day and a half ago so I am trying to feel understanding towards Sasha, but I can't help think that it's utter stupidity to be influenced in any way because of someone's first name and I can't help that I'm convinced I'd never feel even the slightest bit more trust just because someone has the same first name as my dead boyfriend/partner/lover.
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Nov 25, 2014
At this point, I'm thinking Rick didn't want to bring any other woman to rescue Carol, Sasha was one thing because she was Tyreese's sister and just lost Bob, but that was it.
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Nov 26, 2014
Michonne is more of a man than Rick is, yet he insisted to go instead of her.

Michonne was supposed to replace Rick, Tyreese was always meant to go with Daryl.
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Nov 25, 2014
But Michonne is more of a man than Tyreese!
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Nov 25, 2014
Personally I would like to see what this show looks like if they killed off all of the dead weight. Which means no tyrese, Sasha, Eugene, Beth maybe Abraham because I dont know what he is going to be like when he comes out of his funk, I would say Tara but she has been kind of fun of late. And they just focused on survival for a half of a season.
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Nov 25, 2014
If they move on to the next part of the comics in the way I think they are going to, these people will stop being dead weight, and the tension will shift back to something similar to what we had with the prison. Then we could start to see individual talents start to shine.
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Nov 25, 2014
Well then that gives me hope then. But some of the characters I don't see ever becoming anything but dead weight.
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Nov 24, 2014
You know how Friends prefixed their episodes with "The one where...". This episode could be titled "The one where... NOTHING HAPPENED"!
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Nov 25, 2014
NAPALMED. ZOMBIES.

I'm sorry to use caps, but those were groundbrealking "nothings" to say the least.
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Nov 25, 2014
I'm not really into zombies
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Nov 24, 2014
Was I the only one who thought that Gabriel was going to run into whoever has been stalking the group? We haven't really seen much of the mystery stalker since the first couple episodes, so I'm thinking Gabriel will have the first encounter. Why else would the writers decide to send him fleeing into the woods? With no supplies...no weapons...no common sense lol. I guess Carl is just too intense of a teacher? CHILL CORAL!

This episode was good, but definitely the "least good" out of the season. i wanted Abraham to go berserk! I felt like I was watching a failed baseball catcher waiting to receive his final pitch...

Fingers crossed it will be back to the Rick show after the winter finale!
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Nov 25, 2014
Wasn't the "stalker" just the Terminus people? Morgan is out there, too, but other than him I don't think there's anyone following their path.
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Nov 25, 2014
Yes and why haven't we seen anything of Morgan since that teaser? If he doesn't show up next episode then they planned his reveal all wrong.
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Nov 26, 2014
Ya I was originally thinking it was Morgan too, but I also thought he'd be revealed by now so who knows? True, if it's not him then no stalker. It just seemed so ridiculous to have Gabriel run out into the woods without a bigger plan in the works.
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Nov 24, 2014
Why would you ever go to a battle and leave michonne at home??? And take Tyreese or Sasha in her place!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nov 26, 2014
To be completely fair, It was Rick the one who took Michonne's place

Tyreese & Sasha were always meant to go with Daryl, I suppose Noah took Carl's spot because it was said he wanted to go for Carol but he wasn't allowed. And then Michonne insisted Rick should stay because she wanted to go.

Rick then proceeds to take Michonne's place anyway.
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Nov 25, 2014
Sasha can be fierce. Tyreese makes Justin bieber look tough.

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Nov 24, 2014
Rick and Michonne sorted that out with that discussion and Rick said he owes Carol more. Either Michonne or Rick needs to stay for Carl and Judith, in their eyes anyway.
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Nov 24, 2014
Tyreese is pretty handy with a hammer, I'm told. But I agree.
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Nov 24, 2014
See, I sort of like that Grady is sort of murky. I mean, whose to say if the floor that Rick was on had held together and Rick was in Dawn's position of being the second leader (which he is in his group but no one mentions Shane) and what would have have done if he was convinced that someone was coming to help. Heck, when did they let go of that particular ideal? I would suggest it wasn't until the prison was burning.

I do think this is clearly the start of Rick's dictatorship being more like the comics (and its still comparative benevolence in relation to others but that they are loyal to each other is what separates them). Because, well, come on. When this goes wrong, it will be clear Rick's plan was the better one. I just sort of feel bad for Noah, he vouched for Lampson, but he has to remember as much as he hated everything, he was Dawn's favorite so he generally got the better of things until Beth started to pull his interest. And I don't know why people are complaining that guy's name was also Bob...do a quick inventory in your head about the Roberts, Bobs, and Robs that you know.

I feel bad for Sasha, and you know Tyreese is going to beat himself up over this. He got her to the healthy vulnerable place on this trip and maybe keeping her short tempered and angry would be better. Like that I was dreading what would happen as soon as she was lowering her weapon down near him.

I don't know if this is a spoiler, its the second promo shown, but Gabriel is going to piss me off so much I'm not so sure how I can't be hostile and suspicious of Deaton when he shows up on Teen Wolf next summer (and you just know that Scott is going to volunteer to work on that floor of Eichen House because he just is destined to follow in his mother's career footsteps). He doesn't believe the Termites were cannibals and goes to verify for himself. I just really hope what's left of Bob's leg is apparent to him.
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Nov 24, 2014
Good episode though I expected a little more. It is certainly better than those slow moving episode that focus on only two characters.

Daryl decision was not that surprising as it was a follow-up from last week. It is the same message he was preaching to Carol, that we do not always have to do the worst thing. We can come back from this. We can maintain our humanity.

Daryl whacking the cop with the zombie head was awesome. I never expected him to do that. After five seasons, I did not expect to feel anymore tension from such stuff but I did. I was genuinely worried for his fingers.
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Nov 24, 2014
So much stupid in this episode; Sasha trusting new Bob, the priest running into the woods, choosing Tyreese instead of Michonne to join them in Atlanta. Like someone said below, it's just lazy writing when you use stupidity to move the story along, and it's boring!
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Nov 24, 2014
Stupid Sasha..... But as the film zombieland says... Zombie kill of the week goes to Daryl with his hands on approach of relieving a zombie with a head and using it as a weapon.... Bravo :3
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Nov 24, 2014
Ohh my god. What a waste of slow boring episode was this... and stupid. :(
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Nov 24, 2014
How have they not figured out that Tyreese has turned into a 350 lb wuss. He might look intimidating, but when it gets down to it he'd rather be breastfeeding Judith than storming a compound. Leave him at home next time.
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