The Walking Dead: Decisions, Decisions

The Walking Dead S02E10: "18 Miles Out"


We're three episodes into the new regime of The Walking Dead, and already things are looking pretty different. And better. "18 Miles Out" did much more with less, cutting down on ensemble participation in order to focus on a handful of characters in just two storylines. As a result, we got a more focused episode that told its micro-stories smarter. Heck, by cutting out a lot of dead weight, showrunner Glenn Mazarra was even allowed to get a little arty with Shane! How we all long to be lone zombies frolicking in the meadow, each in our own way.

There were two things going on in "18 Miles Out," blatantly divided by gender. This was okay with Lori, who continues to trigger an involuntary reaction from me wherein I slap my forehead with my palm; she declared that all women belong at home, cooking and do laundry, even during a zombie apocalypse. No exceptions! The ladies stayed back on the farm and talked about their feelings, and the men went out and punched each other in face! *grunt* *ball scratch* But both storylines tied in nicely to each other thematically, with tough decisions and humanity (duh, what else would it be in this show?) at the forefront of each.

Last week, I said "Triggerfinger" exemplified the type of show that both we and the writers want The Walking Dead to be. There was enough visceral gore, skull-cracking violence, and pee-your-pants tension to satiate our bloodlust, but there were also plenty of forward-moving talky parts that developed characters and revisited dormant plots. The only problem with "Triggerfinger" was its lopsided pacing; the intensity was all crammed in one half, the verbal drama all in the other.

Not so in "18 Miles Out." The creative choice to tell just two stories—one a brutal, high-stakes tale about past frustration bubbling up, the other an examination of the emotional toll a dying world takes on a young woman's hope, and both of them about making tough decisions—was very effective for what amounted to a standalone episode. Things are looking a lot better for The Walking Dead. I'd suspected that Frank Darabont had been part of the problem with The Walking Dead slowing down to a no-legged crawl while life on the farm was just life on the farm, and the first two episodes of the second half of Season 2 did nothing to change my mind. To be fair, Darabont meticulously put everything on a tee and Mazarra is just hitting them out, but right now the show is definitely on the upswing.

In the macho story, Shane and Rick packed up their car with a tied-up Randall in the trunk, looking to dump him in a place where he had at least some chance of survival. Rick used the adventure to man up (guys hate it when you say that) and become a badass, venting built-up frustration with a good old fashioned stern talking-to. I like to think that I'd let emotions from past hook-ups slide until the zombie apocalypse was over, but Lori's been all over Rick's case about Shane, so he had to confront Shane in order to shut her up. If I had Lori chewing my ear off at every turn to excuse her whoring ways, I'd probably want to stop it in anyway possible, too.

Shane decided Randall had to go when Randall said he knew who Maggie and Hershel were, so Shane did what Shane does: He started shooting! That started a brawl between Rick and Shane that's been a long time coming. Yeah, it's kind of stupid to be fighting each other when you've got a prisoner on your hands and zombies on the loose, but boys will be boys. And Rick is finally becoming a man! It's the Rick we've been waiting to see. Tough. Decisive. Angry. That had to be near the top of the list of things Mazarra wanted to change about the show. I can see the whiteboard now: "1) More zombies. 2) Make Rick less of a pussy. 3) Less farm. 4) Make Lori more stupid (just a personal challenge, don't think it can be done)."


One flying wrench later, there were walkers were all over the place, and Shane found himself trapped in a school bus with plenty of undead after him. With the zombies all focused on Shane, Rick did the unthinkable and bolted, leaving Shane to die. It was only later, after seeing the bodies of two zombie cops, that Rick that Rick reconsidered—perhaps he was overcome by memories of the good old days, when he and Shane wore badges and caught bad guys like best buds. Rick played cavalry and rescued Shane, but the fact that chose himself over Shane, even for just a few moments, shows how far Rick has come in just a few episodes. And that's very good.

As for Shane, well, it seems The Walking Dead is no longer interested in printing "Team Shane" T-shirts. I've always said I'd rather follow Shane than Rick, because as crazy as his decisions are, they're the ones that will help you survive. But Rick is the star of this show, and denying him the role of leader for so long has been a mistake on the writers' part. To build up Rick, they had to take away from Shane, and having him almost shoot Randall was inexcusable—thus it achieved exactly what the writers wanted. It sucks, though, because even the old Shane would have had more sense than that. But it's clearly Rick's time to Shane, and that's going to come at the expense of Shane. The telling sign that the writers have pushed Shane to the dark side was in his reflection in the broken glass just before the walkers came: He looked like a zombie, with hunched shoulders and a blank face tinted a dull grey. As Mr. Metaphor would say, Shane has officially become a monster. It's no wonder he sympathized with the lone zombie in the field TWICE in the episode. Without Lori and Carl, who've been taken away from him by Rick, Shane is alone. Sad.

This is unfortunately looking like the beginning of the end for Shane, because I don't see him all of a sudden saying, "Awww shucks, Rick. You was right. My bad!" The only thing worse than living in a zombie apocalypse is getting your heart broken in a zombie apocalypse. Most of the other fish in the sea are now more interested in eating you. Personally I'd like to see Shane do what he was always meant to do, which is leave on his own. Realistically, I think we have ourselves a big moment for the Season 2 finale.

Back at Lady Camp, young Beth was hurtin' in the head. She was so bummed out about her mom dying twice that she wanted to take her own life with a steak knife. Lori and Maggie were all, "Ummmm no." Andrea was all, "Well, if that's what she wants, let her go ahead." It's not a popular viewpoint to condone suicide ("Hey Andrea, will you babysit my teenage daughter?" is something she'll never hear), but Andrea believes that convincing people not to kill themselves is damn near impossible. Their value on their own life has to come from within, as she knows from personal experience.

Beth couldn't cut deep enough, and Andrea felt like that pretty much validated Andrea's point. "She wanted to live!" Andrea said. Ummm, what if she had a gun instead of a knife, girl? Wanting to end your own life is different from having the guts to cut your own wrist off. I'd say Beth is still a huge danger to herself.

But for the purposes of The Walking Dead, Beth's refusal to go all the way is a victory for humanity, I guess? I did enjoy this story, because I enjoy seeing the debate over the right to choose your own fate played out. But I still think there's more to be told, and I hope The Walking Dead doesn't end Beth's problems right where tonight's episode left them. I want to see her return next week even more messed up in the head—as long as the writers do it right. If the plan is to show us a teary-eyed Beth walking into the field to sacrifice herself to zombies, let's just end the story right here.

"18 Miles Out" was probably the most mature episode of Season 2 in terms of storytelling ability. The pacing was fantastic, there was more depth (now we can go waist-deep), and there was some attempt to further stylize the show. There's still plenty of room for improvement, but when you look at The Walking Dead's last four episodes (starting with the midseason finale), the effort is clearly there.



This Stuff Was Rad
Rick Puts a Zombie's Head to Good Use
Holy crap did you see Rick fire off three rounds through a zombie's mouth into the brains of another zombie? Can we put that on the shortlist of The Walking Dead's best zombie kills ever? The only thing preventing me from naming this scene one of the greatest things ever is that Justified's Raylan Givens did a very similar thing just a week-and-a-half ago. Also... ZOMBIE DOG PILE ON RICK!

Zombie Heads Poppin' Like Grapes
Backing a car over a zombie's head so that it bursts like ripe fruit is so cliche, yet I will never ever get tired of it. I remember the first time I saw a head get run over, exploding brains and fluids on the pavement. It wasn't even a zombie, it was just a kid. That movie was The Toxic Avenger, one of the greatest films ever.

At Least Rick and Shane Abandon People to Good Music!
If you're going to have a hood thrown over your head and earbuds taped to your earholes so you can't see or hear where you are going, you could do worse than to get a playlist involving Wooden Shjips and The Cave Singers.



I'm Not Sure This Stuff Was Rad
POV Or POVerkill?
Were the multiple point-of-view cams that filmed Rick dragging Randall around cool or not? Was The Walking Dead just trying to rip off the much better Breaking Bad? Not sure it really added anything to the story. It felt more like one of the cinematographers was bored.



Episode MVP
I want to give this one to Randall, because more people need to trash talk zombies, but for the second week in a row the title belongs to Rick. Putting his gun in a zombie's mouth in order to shoot another zombie, all while stuck under a pile of dead zombies, was sweet. Rick also left Shane for dead AND came back to save his ass? He did it all. More proof that this is Rick's time. Rick: 2, Everyone Else: 0.



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Mar 06, 2012
Gotta say I disagree with you on a lot of the "good points" you tend to give freely to Shane and the "bad points" you tend to accuse Rick of having, because really, this episode didn't give Rick anything he didn't already have. The past few episodes have been a build-up to this, and not just from Shane being Shane. We saw the other group of survivors and in that scuffle what we really saw was an ENTIRE group of Shane's. You would call them true survivalists; I would call them scavenging, bloodthirsty cowards devoid of any remaining humanity. And unlike a fat man who's helping you save the boy you wish was your own, Rick Mother Effing Grimes put those two down where they stood. It's like Andrea said; Shane's problem is presentation, but in this case, it means something entirely different. He makes all these "tough calls", but always for the wrong reasons and without enough thought behind them. It's easy to talk the talk when you're shooting zombies to make a point, but when it comes down to it, Shane's a coward, not a badass.



Also, the scene where Rick looks at those two cops... I read that less as him reminiscing and more as Rick deciding he wasn't going to pull a Shane--even when Shane DESERVED to have it done to him and left for dead. This entire episode was about Rick making a very clear POINT. No, it was not about the ending this triangle with Lori. It was about Rick Mother Effing Grimes saying "This is why I am the leader. Because those tough calls you swear up and down you made? Yeah, try making them when they really count."



Lori's... Lori, but seriously, this whole thing about calling her a whore needs to stop. You're one to quickly point out that they're in a zombie apocalypse (what better motivation for a rebound relationship, I ask you?) and when she found out Rick was alive she quickly made her choice between the two. Yes, she's using the apocalypse as a way to patch up the holes that were forming in their marriage. But she didn't cheat on Rick at all. I wasn't aware widows couldn't move on when their spouses died. Yes, Rick was alive but she didn't know that, and Shane (though understandably so) didn't try to correct that assumption.



But yes, this episode was very good, because it points out the holes in "I wanna be the leader" Shane's stance and reinforces that "I AM the leader" Rick's position isn't so easy as to spout so-called "rules" in a survival situation, because as he so quaintly put it, "There are no rules." If Shane became the leader, we'd have a bunch of Shanes running around, slitting each other's throats with all the wrong kinds of "without hesitation." They'd be no different than Randall's former group.
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Mar 05, 2012
For a second there, I forgot this is still season 2... Feels like a whole different thing now! Glad it back to it's awesomeness.
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Mar 04, 2012
Yes! This is the show I've been waiting to see all season long!
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Mar 03, 2012
Elsewhere - I really loved this episode. Can I just say though - what a dumb idiot Rick was in this one. Firstly, you pick a place with dozens of places for walkers to hide in and that can't possibly be defended to let loose your victim? Then, you close the gate behind you? What are you - nuts?!



I just loved the reaction from Rick and Shayne when whatsisname said he knew Maggie. LOL! Ooops.



And isn't it interesting that after all that talk from Shayne about how you have to sacrifice anyone to survive and keep your family alive when push came to shove how devastated he was when he thought Rick was about to do just that? It seems that for all that he obviously believes in his theory, in the end, Shayne relies on Rick NOT to be that guy. Relies on him to be the one who will pull your butt out of the fire whether it means he might die or not.



To be honest though, I didn't think it was much of a dilemma. Taking the car and mowing down the walkers outside the bus was an obvious solution to my mind.



And, yes, as you can tell I'm not one of the Lori-haters. I don't hate any of the characters - I enjoy them all. But, I did sit there going WTF? when Lori was spouting how all the women needed to clean house now that the world ended. Sod off, Lori! If Andrea's a dab hand with a gun and wants to hang out with the boys putting down walkers instead of mopping the kitchen floor, good for her. And I think Maggie might have something to say about that little woman theory of yours, too!



Great episode all round. Can't wait for next week.
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Mar 03, 2012
You know, I can't help but find the sexist hatred of Lori amusing. She is jumped on from a huge height because with her husband dead and everything she knew descended into flames, she grabbed at a little human comfort in a world suddenly gone deadly and insane. For having the audacity to be so human, she has 'whoring ways'. Shayne, on the other hand, barely waits for his bestest buddy to be cold before jumping his widow. Everybody loves Shayne. Shayne didn nothing wrong at all. And, actually, he didn't. But neither did Lori. The fact that they both wanted to cling to something warm to assauge their loneliness, fear and despair, was nothing more than desperately human. The fact that Lori gets so much purile vitriole for it and Shayne doesn't is....telling. You'd think in this day and age calling women whores while men are 'just being boys' for the same act would be dead and gone. Sad to see it's still there.
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Mar 02, 2012
Lori is keep climbing places in my Top-100 of Most Annoying TV Characters Ever. Right about now she is #4 I think. I always "love" those characters that insist that washing clothes, baby sitting, sleeping with most males under 50 years old is equally - if not more- important than...I don't know. Maybe saving your life, Lori? Because that's what Andrea and Shane do.

Also, I think the most epic fail of Lori this week was the argument against Andrea "My husband is out there". Helloooo, it's your husband, not you. Your husband, Shane, Andrea are out there so you can sit comfortably in this cute farm doing...I dunno, what exactly do you do, Lori?
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Mar 01, 2012
Loved the zombie pile up. lol Shane and Andrea are my fave almost couple and Boondock Saint aka Judas in Gaga's music video needs more air time. lol I want Shane to give up on stupid Lori and hook up with Andrea again. They are fun together. Poor Glenn is clueless, maybe the fence leg boy can help Maggie get over him or her sister. lol soap opera but with zombies. Going to dvr Breakout Kings. Can't record Storage Wars because of AxMen still being on [recording that instead].
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Mar 01, 2012
Rick DID NOT even consider leaving Shane. The reason he grabbed Randall was so he could DRIVE THE CAR, while Rick rode shotgun.
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Mar 02, 2012
Wrong, Rick said "he brought that to himself" or something like that. It was only when he saw the two zombie-dead-cops that he was reminded of the years-long friendship with Shane and couldn't leave him behind
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Mar 06, 2012
Also wrong. Rick who just avoided having a wrench crack him in the skull looked at those two cops and remembered Shane left him for dead and decided "I'm not going to be that guy." Because really, his friendship with Shane in THAT moment, in THAT episode? Pfft. That'd have to be the last thing on his mind.
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Feb 29, 2012
Please - stop using spoiler photos on your front page! We're behind you on TWD in the UK and I've been carefully avoiding these articles till after the ep airs, to avoid spoilers. But every time I visit the home page, there's another photo - many of them fairly spoilerish. Can't you use something more bland and stick with it? You're killing me here.
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Mar 01, 2012
I'm just curious, it is a zombie against a fence with Shane and Rick there, what was a spoiler?
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Mar 03, 2012
It is now. Unfortunately, the photo keeps changing on an almost daily basis and the earlier ones used were definitely spoilers.
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Feb 29, 2012
Loved this episode. Still don't understand why people are so down on the first half of the season 2, but it is getting better and better.
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Mar 01, 2012
people were down on it for the same reason you just said that now "t is getting better and better."
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Feb 29, 2012
It's like a completely different show now - the one we've all wanted it to be from the beginning. These are the character dynamics they never should have gotten away from in the first place.
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Feb 29, 2012
God I haven't seen The Toxic Avenger in so long. Such a fantastic movie. This episode marks a big point in the show for me as a viewer because I'm finally settling in with catching it each week. I think I'm finally willing to go all the way to the end (or cancellation) of the show rather than tap out some ways in. Let's just hope it's a roller coaster ride to the end unlike how Heroes and Chuck ended up (two shows I couldn't bring myself to leave, but probably should have).
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Mar 01, 2012
Will Terry from Lost and Hawaii 5-0 pop up on Alcatraz next or POI, though would be cool on WD. lol I miss Heroes, Fast Forward, V. too

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Feb 29, 2012
Finally, the series got moving from slowness!
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Feb 29, 2012
"Holy crap did you see Rick fire off three rounds through a zombie's mouth into the brains of another zombie? Can we put that on the shortlist of The Walking Dead's best zombie kills ever?"



No, but we can put Randall's up there, which you seemed to have missed. Crippling walkers>getting covered by them.

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Mar 01, 2012
lol save the bullets, what happens when they run out of blood to lure zombies to the fence or bus?
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Feb 29, 2012
Great episode. It was nice to get away from the farm and have more zombie tension. As for back at the farm, I found the suicide situation did it's job by making the viewer choose sides between Lori and Andrea.



And I'm completely expecting Beth's foreshadowing that the farm will be over-run in the season finale.
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Feb 29, 2012
This was an awesome episode and it was great to see the characters conflicts come out into the open. There was a ton of character development and some good zombie action!
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Feb 29, 2012
When Shane got on the bus I busted up laughing, thinking of "Degrassi Of the Dead".



Look it up.



"Coooooookieeeeees!"
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Feb 29, 2012
Did someone need to dispute that? I was saying that. That's the reason I said what I said. I notice you don't have too much to say against the reviewer's opinion, which basically shares mine. TWD can use it all they want, but I think the reason the reviewer stated it was because TWD hasn't really utilized POV. I personally don't remember too many (if any, I'll say it) instances where they did use it. I could be wrong.



Straw man? I'm pretty sure you're the one misrepresenting my argument. You've done it several times.



And yes, I'm replying quickly. In between jobs and bored :( Thanks for the entertainment.
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Feb 29, 2012
"A lot of what happens on this show doesn't make any sense."



I doubt most people on these boards would express agreement with these views of yours!



the reviewer praised the episode for its attempts to "further stylize" the show - im glad to see you are now in agreement! Welcome!!



I won't indulge you any further, I'm sure you'll find other boards to keep you entertained. I'll see you here in the next episode which I hope continues the awesomness of TWD. Your negative comments will be missed until then!
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Feb 29, 2012
Maybe "homage" means nothing to you. I'm kind of surprised how ready you are to jump on an idea and defend it like you birthed it.



By the way, that brings up ANOTHER thing that makes no sense. The POV was set from Randall's perspective, yet he wore a blind fold. Interesting ;-) In the end, shame on me for basically saying Breaking Bad does it better. I should be careful when voicing my opinions around Jedi Viewers.
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Feb 28, 2012
I did say I wanted it to be an homage. Considering they're both from AMC, and the POV was strikingly similar. If you want to start a crusade against all POV, that's your problem. I don't remember submitting that claim. My last statement was more-or-less fun with abbreviations -- but once again, it was constrained to AMC.
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Mar 01, 2012
POV? Sorry am lost on this abbreviation. Why were other comments zapped above?
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Feb 28, 2012
I immediately thought of Breaking Bad when the POV started in the trunk. I want to believe it's just an homage, considering the name of the episode "18 Miles Out," and the Breaking Bad episode, "4 Days Out," are also similar. It may just be a coincidence, but in the end, it doesn't matter, POV on AMC belongs to BB.
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Feb 29, 2012
Actually reminded me more of peep show, hehe
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Feb 28, 2012
To me it doesn't make any sense. Shane used his knife to kill a walker and later he used the same knife to cut his hand again when he was in the bus. Shouldn't Shane be on a fast track of becoming a walker himself? The same thing happened to T-Dog in the first episode of season 2 when he had an open wound and there was a dead (bleeding) walker on top of him. Considering how fast the infection spread, getting turned into a walker should be rather simple.
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Feb 29, 2012
I almost said, "Who's T-Dog?" Ahh, characters we never see...
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Feb 28, 2012
And how utterly unimportant was Shane cutting his own hand when:



A) He already had open wounds on his face.



B) He had to hold them off anyway, and shanked them in the face. Displaying no real advantage to cutting himself.



C) Zombies, not the most nimble of creatures, couldn't chase Shane through the bus and out the back...which we later discover, was an option.



UGH! So much! Sorry, I'm done.
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Mar 01, 2012
how did he not get scratched? lol and why cut same arm as before near the fence?
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Feb 28, 2012
A lot of what happens on this show doesn't make any sense. From the big plot questions to the little. A few that seemed to stand out for me were:



1) While Rick and Shane fought, Randall wormed his way to the knife (freedom.) Why. Dear God, WHY wouldn't you get on your feet and hop to it? Screw the "building suspense." When you milk a moment like that by sacrificing common sense, it kills it completely and takes you out of the moment.



2) In the same scene, Shane fires off a shot. A very loud...very, very loud bang. A considerable amount of time passes. The two fight. Additional grunts, hollers, and screams of pain is given. But it's not until a wrench flies through the window five feet away from the scuffle and the gun fire, that these sound-sensitive zombies get up?



3) You cut your hand to attract one zombie to the only two people within 18 miles. A zombie that already noticed you, and was en route to Bite Town. Why? What if that same cut signaled others from the underbrush? How could you know? Makes NO sense.



4) To a lesser extent, I learned that breaking a zombie's arm keeps them from using their legs, and if you're considering suicide, it's still important to put on make-up.



And I didn't even want to mention all the nonsensical female banter that happened in between. I don't know why the reviewer isn't noticing stuff like this (apart from the female addendum I made), maybe he doesn't care, but it definitely takes me out of the fiction of the story and reminds me, I'm watching a show that they want me to see...not a world where the characters are important.
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Feb 29, 2012
URGH I have so little patience for these nitpickers... I've seen some of these people with too much time on their hands on the fringe forums... anyways I know I shouldnt even bother but what the hell:



1) perhaps randall realizes he might need a WEAPON to protect himself or even make the crazy leap of logic that if he cut himself loose he would be able to run away faster than.. I dont know.. hop away?!?



2) yes the shot didnt summon the zombies but the shattered glass did "oh no I can't stand these mistakes..this show makes no sense"



3) rick was trying to exemplify what he was talking about by killing a zombie without firing a gun. zombies in the underbrush? really? oks ill take that bey and raise you "well they had scouted out the location around them and were confident there weren't any zombies around. does that sooth your worried mind?



4) ok so she had make-up on... dreadful dreadful. I can't buy into this show, it's so unrealistic oh gosh!



oks this was heavy on the irony but seriously do you have nothing better to do with your time? Enjoy the show for what it is and stop trolling these boards.



On to far more important things - do the walking dead zombies pretty much operate under the romero zombies rules? To those of you who've read the comics.. are the zombies pretty much behaving in the same ways?



Cheers and beers!
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Mar 01, 2012
Your reply to #1 implies that you misunderstood DInChild's question. He wrote, "Randall wormed his way to the knife (freedom.) Why. Dear God, WHY wouldn't you get on your feet and hop to it?" He WROTE that he was going to get the knife. Your answer worded it to say "he might need a WEAPON to protect himself or even make the crazy leap of logic that if he cut himself loose" he could run instead of hop. It was as if you thought DinChild was simply asking why the guy didn't hop away, so you replied that he wanted the knife.



DinChild meant - why didn't the guy get up and HOP to the knife, instead of the lame crawling to the knife they did for drama. I agree with that for sure.



Read more: http://www.tv.com/news/the-walking-dead-decisions-decisions-27938/#ixzz1nqAcTZBw

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Feb 29, 2012
1- I'll give you that. At the very least he could have rolled if the idea of hoping didn't come to him.
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Feb 28, 2012
If it doesnt make sense to you, dont watch it and spare us these meaningless rants!
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Feb 28, 2012
Then by all means, write your senator and ask to have the 1st amendment repealed. I don't understand people whose only argument against negative commentary, or as it's more appropriately considered in this case; criticism, is either to either not watch, or not comment on the subject. Tell me where is the logic in that? What progress can be made if you applied that narrow thinking to all aspects of society? The quick answer is none. But I welcome any argument you can make up.



I notice, also, that rather than address my concerns, you immediately wrote them off as meaningless and placed your stamp of disapproval. Not only is that self-defeating, but it's also hypocritical, in that your post couldn't be less meaningful and contributes absolutely nothing. If all you want is a comment board of self-congratulating optimism, you're more delusional than I thought. Of course, you have every right to comment in its favor. Just don't expect me to listen when you make such powerful arguments...though I must admit, that exclamation mark is intimidating.
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Feb 29, 2012
"tell me some of the shows you watch and ill post a list of plot holes that "dont make any sense".. good rant there but do explain the progress that can be made from making comments such as these 'if you're considering suicide, it's still important to put on make-up.'"



I accidentally flagged you trying to post a reply. But there's no reply function. Oh well. Ummm...I don't know where to begin with the first half of whatever it is you wrote. But I can answer the more pointed and pertinent second half:



I started that observation with "to a lesser extent." Basically nit-picking. At some point, I felt like I kept noticing silly things. One of them happened to be a woman considering suicide...and she looked gorgeous. The point is, as a film maker, you want your actors and actresses to look good in every shot. It's common knowledge. But everything I was saying took me out of the drama of the story. The make-up and lipstick didn't help. Maybe I'm just crazy!
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Feb 28, 2012
As far as 3 goes, maybe to get the walker's face right up to the fence and keeping it somewhat still so you can shank it?
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Feb 28, 2012
As much as I loved Raylan shooting Maggie Grace through Laurence Nightingale, I have to give the points to Rick, mainly for the shot of the barrel peeking out the back of the one zombie's head for a few moments after the deed was done. I also liked the POV camera shots, just because it added a visceral feel to it all. Also, I've never watched Breaking Bad, so I can't really compare, but I've enjoyed similar POV setups in other shows and movies.
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Feb 28, 2012
"Also, I've never watched Breaking Bad, so I can't really compare"



Fail.

Such. Hard. Fail.
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Feb 29, 2012
Why is that fail? Because I honestly have no interest in Breaking Bad?
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Feb 28, 2012
Really enjoyed the episode, a good mix of walkers and drama. I have never cared for Lori, but I've grown to like Andrea (maybe because I like Shane's dynamic in the group and their relationship as the outsiders, even though they both do much to protect the group or try to). Again, an ep where we see people clinging to roles and making hard decisions about their futures. It's sad you can look at Rick and Shane and see that in this world, with the group they are in, they really can't be in the same group together. It's just written.
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Feb 28, 2012
Does anyone know anything about the scratches vs bite things the guys had going about the two dead security guards ... maybe there is a new manner of infection that they have not discovered?
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Feb 29, 2012
The comics are like Land of the Dead (in the nature of turning). In that movie, the virus exists in the air, and when you die, you reanimate, it doesn't matter how you die. The only way to die and not come back is a bullet in the brain. However, the survivors don't know any of these, at least not yet, so they are trying to be as careful to exposure to walker goo as possible. (except in some cases, which actually bugs me, but whatever... I digress.)
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Feb 28, 2012
This is clearly explained in the comics... death itself triggers re-birth... dont want to give too much away as im sure they'll explain this further on in the series
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Feb 28, 2012
Yeah I was thinking about via food or water maybe. Remember the zombie in the well, and them fearing the water getting affected.



Also isnt Rick abit careless cutting his hand, then afterwards going close up splatting a zombie with the knife. Shouldn't they be more afraid of backsplash bloodspatter in general on the show, eyes, mouth etc.
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Feb 28, 2012
nah nothing to do with food or water
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Feb 28, 2012
OK, I hope I'm wrong, because I find the whole scratch'n'snuff-it way of being infected pretty stupid, but did anyone else think it wasn't a coincidence that the episode went out of its way to introduce this concept moments before we see Shane notice a couple of zombie fingers just hanging around by the bus door?



I'll be sad if Shane pocketed them with the intention of using them on someone (ie Rick or the lad in the trunk), because I'm otherwise loving where the show is going.
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Feb 28, 2012
It's funny, when reading the article and having the top picture in the article in the corner of my eye, so to speak, to me I see John Locke standing there next to rick. Hehe.
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Feb 28, 2012
My friends and I have chatted at length regarding which character Sarah Wayne Callies has played in her career that is/was more annoying, her character "Sara Tancredi" in the FOX show Prison Break (That character was DREADFUL), or" Lori Grimes". Such a tough call! Lol. I never thought it was possible to be more annoying than Sara Tancredi, but she may have topped herself with Lori. Lol
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Feb 29, 2012
Before Sara Tancredi she was Jane in "Tarzan". JANE IN TARZAN.
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Feb 29, 2012
Oh GOSH. I won't be putting that on my Netflix. Lol
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Feb 28, 2012
She's just horribly annoying whatever character she plays. Watched some movie with her and Milla Jovovovivic the other day, and she was obnoxious and annoying there as well.
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Feb 28, 2012
I loved the scene just after the flying wrench, when we can see the reflex of Shane in the broken glass. He looks like a zombie himself. And then there's a dead hand followed by the dead body taking the place of that reflex. This scene goes great with the ones when Shane watches the lone zombie in the field.
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Feb 28, 2012
Oh, also, I'm glad you mentioned it because I disliked the POV things. It really did feel like the director thought "Hey, our AMC brother is cool for doing it, let's do it too!" Unfortunately, they didn't do it nearly well enough. Seemed like the episode tried too hard to be a bit artsy.
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Feb 28, 2012
its nothing to do with being cool... it looks great and adds depth!
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Feb 28, 2012
I hate both Lori and Andrea almost equally so I enjoyed their little spat with each other. However, they were pretty stupid with their arguments. I can understand both sides, and yet at the same time, both were saying and doing shit that made me wish the kitchen would just blow up.



Shane vs Rick was fun, too. Shane cutting his hand while in the bus seemed really pointless. Brushing aside the oddity that zombies are now vampires, it seemed as if the purpose of drawing blood was to attract the zombie to him. Considering Shane already had about 10 zombies right in front of him, cutting his hand and smearing his blood a bit to the side was quite pointless.
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Feb 29, 2012
I think he was trying to get them in position one by one....
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Feb 29, 2012
Your first paragraph echoed my thoughts of that time. As did your second. I also thought Shane cutting his hand was silly, considering he just killed a walker with that knife.
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Feb 28, 2012
Would be just fair that Daryl should get some MPVs for the first half of the season....



besides, is it not like the most stupid thing to cut ur hand with the same knife you use to stab zombies' brains?
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Feb 29, 2012
I said the same thing earlier, but it isn't like there wasn't z blood all over all of them, and they had open wounds from the fight, so it could be anything. I was kind of hoping for a zombie Shane, it would be pretty cool.
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Feb 28, 2012
it is absolutely the stupidest thing shane could do. mixing bodily fluids with a zombie? i think they're going to use that to lead to his slowly going zombie... almost like going rabid, that way they'll have an excuse to kill him when he finally either loses his mind or turns.
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Feb 28, 2012
I mean, it's not like u need to rub ur own blood all over the door to lure them... they could have used their stay at the CDC to learn something. it's actually like the kind of thing one would expect from, say, Lori, lol



it's a pity, one may or may not like Shane, but he does make the show so much more interesting and unexpected...
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Feb 28, 2012
Don't get me wrong, I love this show, but I think the most consistently frustrating aspect is the lack of a strong female voice. For instance, Andrea was awesome to call out Lori, and it would of been great had the writers ended it at that. But noooo... they had to follow it up with Andrea basically convincing Beth to kill herself. Ugh. As a woman, it's just hard to relate to any of the female characters. Hopefully, with the confirmation of Michonne joining the cast in the near future, they'll learn from their past mistakes and give a strong female voice a chance. Not all women are blubbering imbeciles who prefer to do laundry and coax teenage girls to kill themselves... It's also disheartening that women write for this show and can't bring a more positive portrayal of women to this show. Where's Joss Whedon when you need him???
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Feb 28, 2012
I'm right there with you in your frustration. I really want to root for at least one female character, but they are all so whiny and insufferable and completely unable to take care of themselves that I just can't. Give a woman a gun and she'll nearly take out one of her own. Give her a car and she'll crash it. All women should just shut up and do housework because lord knows you need clean laundry when the zombies come a-callin'. Ugh.
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Feb 28, 2012
Amen girl! Can't wait for Michonne to show these bitches how to do it right.
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Feb 28, 2012
Michonne.... hell ya!
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Feb 28, 2012
i like how we saw it from randells pov. its reminded us that he is still human and feels. i hope they dont kill him. hes helpless
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Feb 28, 2012
That episode was badass all the way. One of the best of the season. Actually the second half of the season has been awesome all the way.
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Feb 28, 2012
To all the Lori haters... FEAR NOT...



Robert Kirkman always had a very special fate reserved for her ! Hopefully we'll get it to see in TV format... if the writers have the balls thats is!!!
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Feb 28, 2012
I have loved this show since day one and I am not a big zombie fan. The make up is brill for a T.V. show, it is of a very hight standard, the standard you expect in a film. The acting is of a high standard as well and the characters are now coming into their own.
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Feb 28, 2012
Another great episode, everything worked even if I wasn't nearly as invested in the suicide story as much as the Rick/Shane story. One thing I am curious about is the reason a lot of people here hate Shane (not going to bother with the oh-so-obvious reasons of Lori.) Do people hate Shane because you find his character annoying, or do people hate Shane because they genuinely think he is an evil, no good SOB? Yes it's possible he can fit both of these, but most people should know the difference. Do you hate him the wrong way in that he is annoying and you want him off your screen, or do you hate him the right way in that he is a bad man who must be stopped?



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Feb 28, 2012
I don't necessarily "hate" him, but I feel like he is not right. He might be making decisions that keep people alive, but at what cost? I know that there are arguments concerning the end of the world, but would n't that be when it makes the most sense to keep your morality? Be cautious, sure, but murdering people and leaving them to be eaten? Attempted rape? That is ungood.
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Feb 28, 2012
I am loving the second half of this season soooo much! Unlike most people, I actually like Dale and wouldn't kill him off (Lori, yes) - he's actually a pretty keen observer of human nature and I think it's important to have people like that to help keep the moral compass, otherwise you get a group of scary people without any real interpersonal conflicts. If they all agree just to be heartless badasses raping and pillaging, it's pretty uninspiring to watch.



One point of content, why do people always slice open their palms when they want to draw blood??? Apart from the bottom of your feet, it's one of the most used parts of your body. So after you've busted open your hand for no good reason (the zombies would have stuck their heads in the bus door on their own), you then have to nurse that painful wound for the next three weeks every time you heft an axe, hold a gun or go pee. Stupid.
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Feb 28, 2012
I was thinking the same thing. RIck had the right idea, he cut a finger.
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Feb 28, 2012
Awesome episode. I loved all the Shane/zombie metaphors. His reflection in the glass metaphor was even cooler than the zombies in the field. I'm still secretly rooting for Shane. I agree, I doubt Shane will suddenly start to accept Rick's leadership. I haven't read the comics so I know nothing about them but I won't be surprised if Shane decides to leave the group and go his own way. LOL yes, I don't want him dead!



I'm still debating on creating a Lori haters club or not...
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Feb 28, 2012
I will take the treasurer.
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Feb 29, 2012
*takes a note* This is gonna be awesome. :D
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Feb 28, 2012
If you do create a club, please make me the president.
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Feb 29, 2012
LOL with pleasure!
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Feb 28, 2012
Personally, I thought it was hilarious that Shane hates that Rick endagers the good of the many to save the one, except when he is the "one" who needs saved.
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Feb 28, 2012
Yes Rick was the MVP of the episode. I know some of you are thinking that Rick should have left Shane but to me he made the right decision. If he did leave Shane, it would have been the Rufus situation all over again that. Also I think Rick didn't want to end up like Shane if he ended up doing that and he still see's him as a friend. Andrea, in her own mind knows what she did was right, but seriously leaving a suicidal person alone was definitely not a good idea.
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Feb 28, 2012
it was a great episode. i wish lori would die already.
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Feb 28, 2012
I'm very much hoping Andrea and Shane go elope for a Vegas wedding and don't return unless its with a rival gang that leads to an epic show down.
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Feb 28, 2012
Zombie Elvis impersonator would be epic.
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Feb 28, 2012
Lori and Andrea both suck. Both can die. In fact I don't have a list of people who should die, but a small list of people who should live. Glenn, Maggie and Daryl are some of the people on that list.
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Feb 28, 2012
Fully agree. Didn't think I could dislike anyone more than Lori but then Andrea just took the ball and ran with it.
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Feb 28, 2012
I don't know who I despise more in the show now, Dale or Lori is it so disgusting the crap Lori is starting with Rick and Shane. I can't believe the lies she spouted in the tent to Rick. And I have to say that it was nice finally seeing Andrea step up and defend herself and defend Shane.



Lori and Dale are so smug and self centered it makes me want to puke. Lori playing Shane and Rick against each other. I almost wanted to laugh when Lori had the balls to talk to Andrea like that, and Andrea was right Lori has lost nothing because the people in her life Shane and Rick have kept her and her son alive.



Shane was good enough for the group before Rick came back from the dead. Now hes supposed to give up a child that could be his and cower behind Rick because Rick says so... Yeah that won't happen. If anything all this infighting needs to stop because it's just going to get them all killed.
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Feb 28, 2012
i liked this episode, but the walking dead tv show, need to get there zombie rules straight. i read the comics and i didn't like the whole blood cutting thing. zombies are not great white sharks, or vampires, also they need to explain the zombies that sit there until people get close to then attack. In the comics they called them lurkers. Other than those two zombie rules , the show is great.
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Feb 28, 2012
I've agreed with you about Lori every episode prior to this, but for this ep I thought she was finally in her element, at least in terms of finding her place. She's wrong to say that Andrea and all the other women need to never do anything to defend the camp, but she's right in that Lori's own place is right where she was -- keeping up morale at home. Not every woman should be Lori, but not every woman can be Andrea, either. It's the same with men -- can Glenn really play Shane's role? Or Shane lead like (we all hope) Rick can?



I don't think it was about men's roles and women's roles, even though that's what Lori thinks. It seems to me more like each person finding their place in this new reality, while still trying to hold on to the recognizable vestiges of the old reality.
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Feb 28, 2012
It's starting to shape up a bit, but I rewatched the first season, as well as the first half of season 2. and honestly, I don't like anything other than the first episode, and even that was more the concept than the actual episode. And unlike most of the others, my complain isn't with "action", it's with characters worth caring about.. How can I care if zombies are trying to kill them if I don't care too much for any of the characters? Same goes with their conversations.. The only character I don't really dislike is Glenn, who does nothing bad, but nothing good either..



That said, they appear to be trying to make Rick someone with an actual personality, so there's still hope.
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Feb 28, 2012
Darryl is awesome. Glenn I like as well but he's gotten a bit annoying these past few episodes. That and its like watching paint dry whenever Maggie & Glenn try to swoon us with their love affair.
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Feb 28, 2012
first of all if they kill of shane the story kinda gets boring. so i think none of the main characters are going to die. not shane. not rick. not lori. what's with all the hate for lori. she told her husband. the one human she can totally trust. that shane scares her. i mean i understand her emotions as a female. she is scared that shane might go after rick. is that so wrong? yes i don't agree with lori with all the woman should wash clothes and cook crap. the writers are guys, no female would actually say that to another female. The ending of last week's episode was scary to me, i wasn't scared about zombies, people dying, but that shit scared me.

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Feb 28, 2012
Actually I know quite a few women that would say that to another woman. There are still lots of backward thinking people in this world - especially here in the Midwest. Women in rural areas look down on other women who don't do all the traditional womanly duties and we're not even in a Zombie apocalypse.



I do agree with not understanding all the hate for Lori on other issues. I don't remember the conversation with Rick word for word but I don't think she lied to him about anything. Shane has been acting erratic to her. Hell, he nearly raped her at the CDC. Of course she's going to be scared of Shane and what he might do to Rick. I would be too in her situation.
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Feb 28, 2012
the writers have a wealth of wondeful material in the comics... there's no need to worry about the story getting boring.. not at all !!! plus if they follow the comics... many of these so called main characters will bite the bullet! given that they've casted The Governor... im hoping we're heading in that direction
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Feb 28, 2012
I'm a woman, I would say it if it was stuff that needed to get done! Andrea used to go with the women to do the laundry. There isn't anything less noble about that. She took a job where she wasn't needed (they didn't lose anyone, she just wanted to shoot) and left a hole in the cooking and cleaning bridgade. It could have put a strain on the other women doing things. Who knows.
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Feb 28, 2012
I think you live in a delusional world. No women would ever say that to another women? why's that because you women are above and beyond us stupid men?. GIve me a break. The reason for the hate for Lori is because well first she's playing two best friends against each other.



She straight up lied to her husband last night in that tent and you know it. How many times has Lori lied to both Rick and to Shane? It was good on Andrea to tell Lori she was and is the cause for all this mess in the group. Lori is an idiot period.



I don't know who is worse at this point Lori or Dale...
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