The Walking Dead "Four Walls and a Roof" Review: Dragging Out Nothing

The Walking Dead S05E03: "Four Walls and a Roof"


Because The Walking Dead is adapted from Robert Kirkman's comics, it has more license to experiment with structure than your average television show. I'll admit that sometimes I forget that, particularly when the series is in the middle of one of its more "uniquely paced" stretches, whether it's a string of slow-talkers or a bunch of action-packed episodes in a row. But the show's give-and-take relationship with its source material means there's no real right or wrong way for it to go about its business, and that can lead to surprising events like the ones that took place in "Four Walls and a Roof." 

The Walking Dead has been building up Gareth as Season 5's big, scary threat for months now. Rick and the group spent all of Season 4B trying to get to him (well, technically they were trying to get to Terminus, but Gareth is forever linked with the place). Then they were imprisoned by him in the Season 4 finale. And then they escaped from him in the Season 5 premiere, only to be hunted by him in Episode 2. That right there is the television formula for creating a season-long back-and-forth between two opponents, and I'm sure many viewers were hoping that Rick would end up eating Gareth in the Season 5 finale because that would be funny. 

Instead, this happened:


Yowza! That wasn't a, "Oh, Gareth is knocked unconscious and he'll untie his binds in order to escape and get back at Rick in next week's episode," that was Rick pureeing Gareth into a pile of mush with a machete and Michonne making that woman's face explode with the butt of her gun. They're dead, and I have to applaud The Walking Dead for slapping me in the face by heading in this direction. From what I understand of the comics, the Hunters arc that Gareth and his flesh-eating friends were based on was equally brief, but the TV series has been known to drag out its source material's stories for much longer than necessary (ahem, Hershel's farm), so I'm sure you can understand why I assumed this one would continue for at least a good bit longer.

Instead, The Walking Dead shocked us by killing Gareth now and defying our expectations. That's great because A) Gareth was already getting on my nerves thanks to his long-winded and dumb musings on why he took up cannibalism (while still never answering the question), and B) we watch The Walking Dead to be surprised, since there's not a whole lot else left for the show to do. The survivors can only give so many speeches about the cost of staying alive in this world before we start to tune out. They can only debate the rules of taking in strays so many times before their bickering becomes white noise. We can only watch so many sad deathbed scenes before we start to develop bed sores. And so forth. The Walking Dead's greatest weapon right now is its ability to make our jaws drop, and that's exactly what "Four Walls and a Roof" did with Gareth. Heck, Gareth (Andrew J. West) was promoted to series regular for Season 5, and now he's a pile of goop on the church floor. 


The butchering of the Terminians also kept up the brutal human-on-human violence that's been escalating in Season 5, and that's given Season 5 a little more character than The Walking Dead's past seasons. Zombies have almost become an afterthought on the show, replaced by various assholes as the main threat to the group at any given time. And as we've already seen and heard, the lesson that Season 5 is teaching is that no one can be trusted. Meanwhile, the only good people left in the world are apparently part of Rick's group, which is growing somewhat ironic since they've gotten a lot more vicious and stabby as of late (ease up there, Sasha!). The Walking Dead has tried to explore this idea before, but it's always pulled back in order to retain some of its main characters' humanity. That no longer seems to be the case as showrunner Scott Gimple stomps on the survivors' fingers as they try to not fall into a deep, dark pit of primal survival. Until now, I've never seen Rick remain so determined and confident for a prolonged stretch, and that makes me Rick a lot more than I have in the past. 

In addition to Gareth, "Four Walls and a Roof" also marked the loss of another series regular, Lawrence Gilliard Jr. as Bob. HIs death didn't resonate as big as those of other characters have, probably because I still didn't feel like I knew him all that well, but his defiant optimism right up to the very end became his most defining moment. Well, that and the fact that cannibals ate his leg after he'd been bitten by a walker. That's something I would've loved to see play out, but alas, everyone involved died before we could witness any possible consequences of eating "tainted meat." Boo! I have to assume that eating infected flesh can't be the healthiest dinner option, but I'm curious to know whether cooking it does kill the zombie virus, as Gareth insisted when he tried to reassure his fellow diners that they'd be okay.

The other big development of "Four Walls and a Roof" involved Eugene, Rosita, and Abraham moving up their trip to Washington and initiating another group split. Abraham wanted to leave immediately, but Rick wasn't going anywhere without Daryl and Carol, who were last seen chasing after the car presumed to be driven by Beth's abductors. Glenn played mediator and agreed, along with Maggie, to accompany Abraham if they could wait to leave until noon the next day. However, I'm not sure why adding Glenn and Maggie to the mix worked as leverage for Abraham. He was dead-set on leaving that night without anyone else to help, but then he suddenly decided to stay because Glenn and Maggie promised to go with him 12 hours later? Huh? And would Maggie really be so quick to take off without answers regarding what happened to her sister? I didn't get the reasoning behind any of this. 

Finally, in the last scene of the episode, Daryl returned to the church with a mystery companion whose identity wasn't revealed in order to achieve maximum cliffhangerization. It's probably not Carol since she would be the obvious person to return with Daryl, so keeping her identity a secret would be useless, and it's probably not Beth given the promos for next week's episode (unless those are all flashbacks). That leaves... I have no idea. Who do you think is in the woods? 

I was mentally prepared for a season-long battle between Gareth and Rick, but now that Gareth is out of the picture, the question we're left with is, "Where does Season 5 go from here?" There are definitely going to be some stories involving Beth's disappearance and Abraham & Co's trip to Washington D.C., but hopefully The Walking Dead will play to its strengths and continue traveling in unpredictable and dark directions. 

Next week: ALL BETH ALL THE TIME! YEAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!



NOTES

– That shot of Rick and the group exiting the frame to look for Gareth while Gareth and his group were headed into the church was nifty. That was a ballsy move on Rick's part to bait Gareth back to the church by pretending to leave, and it would have fooled me until I was bloody, fleshy floor pudding at Rick's feet. Well played, sir!

– Oooh the metaphors were strong with Gareth when he was talking to Bob. "We marked our way here so we could find our way back after. So stupid, right? Back to what?" He was talking about Terminus, but he may as well have been talking about humanity, because he was way beyond what's socially acceptable in my book! And the shots of his group eating Bob's leg while zombies freaked out on the other side of the glass signified that the division between Gareth's group and the zombies wasn't all that thick. 

– I would imagine that Gareth is right about pretty people tasting better, and I hope to one day test that hypothesis by taking a bite out of Mila Kunis.

– Yep, Gabriel was a bad, bad priest who locked his congregation out of the church during the early days of the apocalypse.

– Gabriel's flock couldn't get into the church, but Gareth's men didn't seem to have a problem!

– The red "A" on the church wasn't adultery shaming à la The Scarlet Letter, it was a reference to the train car that Rick and his group were thrown into when they arrived at Terminus in the Season 4 finale. That was Gareth's way of saying, "Hey, we're still gonna eat you." That's a nice creepy touch.

– What do you think of the season so far? I'm digging it. 


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Nov 11, 2014



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Nov 03, 2014
Am I the only one that thinks that Gareth was incredible hot and will miss that eye candy?
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Nov 04, 2014
The girl I'm seeing seemed to think so as well. She kept mentioning how he was a hotter skinnier version of her ex :P . I suppose I didn't mind so much, but yeah, comments were made :P .
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Nov 05, 2014
I´m happy I´m not the only one :-P
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Nov 01, 2014
I am totally loving this season. Sasha as a character is really growing on me. 1 she is beautiful, 2 she is full of spirit.
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Oct 31, 2014
I guess Abraham didn't want to back away from his word: he said he would leave with them once the immediate threat was dealt with. He dealt with it.

If he would've stayed to wait for Carol with Rick, then Rick would've been the one to call the shots. This way each man keep their own mission and the value of their own word.
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Oct 31, 2014
Do NOT use the 'Z' word. It is verboten.
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Oct 30, 2014
I guess Abraham reckoned his group's chances of survival would be higher if 2 more fighters would be there with them ... that's why he was tempted by Glenn's proposal. I still think that situation could have been handled better, though :-) For example, now that Gareth's threat is gone, why the rush from Abraham to split the group? ... surely they could have waited a little bit longer.
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Nov 01, 2014
I'd agree with others that Rick's priorities and will tend to lead/sway the group, and Abraham has been in the physical lead of his own band, so why get absorbed into Rick's if he's got his own mission: Eugene and killing the dead and making the world for the living. With Gareth dead, the threat is gone but so is Glenn and Maggie's incentive to stay entrenched with Rick . . . EXCEPT for Beth, the forgotten sister.
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Nov 02, 2014
Then again, for a long time last season it was only Maggie, Bob and Sasha and, for a big part of that time, Bob was the optimistic side of Maggie's quest for find Glenn/Terminus.

It was neat that Maggie would offer to avenge the imminent loss of her partner alongside Sasha, it was lovely to see she took the time to say goodbye to them too. Bob was her mission now, much like Eugene was Abraham's and Maggie was just as committed to it as Sasha was.
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Nov 07, 2014
I think people forget Glenn's value from season 1, him having a plan and then a second option to double back if the later part doesn't work out. Then there was the admiration of the Governors people on how quickly he took a zombie apart while tied to a chair and then fashioned a weapon from it's remains.

Glen is like Sun Tzu in this apocalypse, always with a winning strategy when needed. Abraham should recognize his value, he doesn't even bother with the burden of being the "alpha" everyone looking at and hassling (who murdered my girl etc. etc.).

On a side note, who else has profited so well on the depletion of mankind as well as Glen in scoring a babe corn fed and fresh off the farm? Especially since living in the ZA without laws or order must increase the survival horniness to level 11.
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Oct 30, 2014
and yes, you don't die or turn from eating infected flesh. The living are not called the walking dead for nothing. I'll spell it out, the living are carrying the virus already inside them.

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Nov 01, 2014
If they are already carrying the virus, why does it matter if they get bitten or scratched then?
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Nov 17, 2014
maybe some bacteria in their mouths... It's a myth anyway
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Nov 02, 2014
A bite and a scratch causes a deadly infection. They all become zombies even if they die of dehydration or a flue, but a bite or a screatch causes an infection that kills them as fast as a heart attack or an aneurysm would.
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Nov 01, 2014
I was listening to a podcast where one of the listeners theorized that the virus or infection could be explained as having two stages, A and B. A being dormant and inside us all, and mutating into B once the host dies. Being bit by a walker (significant bodily fluid transfer = bite or getting into open wound/maybe digestion) thus gives a living person the B virus, which quickly kills them/reanimates them. I liked it and seemed as plausibly as any other theory on a fiction show.
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Apr 08, 2015
http://fanlore.org/wiki/Fanwank
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Apr 10, 2015
Sorry, I don't remember the podcasters names or contact info to past the link
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Oct 30, 2014
Ah well, the splitting up of the group. The one thing TWD is consistent in is it never gives solid reasons for stupid decisions and actions! lol
ps. This season is awesome sofar!
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Oct 30, 2014
I am so glad the writer of this article mentioned how the zombies have "become an afterthought on the show". To me, TWD has never been a show about zombies, it has always been a show, picturing how even when the whole damn world is falling apart, zombies are everywhere and most of the people you knew are dead, the real monsters are the people around you. The zombie apocalypse is just an excuse for most of the people on TWD to show who they really are. The fight isn't zombies vs. people, it's people vs. people and I think that displaying is the reason this show is still on.
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Oct 30, 2014
Am I the only one here who watches this and PLL? C'mon, you all know what that A means...
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Oct 30, 2014
I thought the big bloody "A" on the church was like, "USDA grade A meat" but you could be right about the cattle car thing.
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Oct 30, 2014
LOL
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Oct 29, 2014
Rick and the gang got some sweet karmic payback!! Finally Michonne is reunited with her sword and RIP Bob!
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Oct 29, 2014
Maggie doesn't know that Daryl and Carrol went after the presumed captor of her sister, so she didn't have that as a reason to stay. Where Glenn goes she goes, and Abraham wanted them with him becauze he saw them in action and knows they are badass.


In the end Bob was likeable for me, before i didn;t care for the former drunk. Tasha sparked his positive side, and in the end he wanted to do the right thing and that was take his own life. Well except life had other plans for him, he was to be a part of the new Mcdrive.


I was also shocked (pleasently) when they butchered the terminus ppl, sweet justice, no mercy. And as Rick ofcourse promised back in terminus, i am gonna kill you with that Machete!! Well done Rick.
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Oct 30, 2014
I've always liked that optimistic streak about Bob: h edidn't mind how awful things got or how many groups he had lost before, he still had it in him to bond, to fall in love, to connect with people.

Even as he was dying, he was grateful it happened around friends rather than alone, he was concerned about those friends, he took time to say goodbye. He was so alive it made him impossible to forget.
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Oct 30, 2014
Yes all of what you said is true, but when he first met Rick's group, he was only looking for his next drink, and he was willing to point his gun at them for his bottles.

But it's unfotunate he died so quick, i liked his optmistic streak too.
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Oct 29, 2014
i weep for D' Angleo Barksdale... again...
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Oct 30, 2014
Yeah and HBOs "Boardwal Empire" just killed Omar AGAIN last week.

At least detective Carver has found god.
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Oct 30, 2014
oh yea that was omar and d'angelo how quickly we forget and yea carver is back
how good was the caliber of actors in the wire
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Oct 29, 2014
hmmm the link posted below didnt seem to work but if you google cannabalism and aristocrats you will find various references
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Oct 29, 2014
Your posted link works when you remove the ending "." from the URL.
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Oct 30, 2014
thanks for that.
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Oct 29, 2014
cannibalism is nothing new in fact next time you do some royal watching take note their ancestors enjoyed a nibble now and then. here is a link but there are various other references to it. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history/aristocracy-ate-human-flesh-2287174.html.
i seem to recall also a story from university that Australian Aborigines in northern australia preferred to the chinese gold diggers to europeans as they were less salty ( although this was a limited number of clans found in the north and most Aborigines were not cannibals) and cannibalism was practiced widely in papua new guinea. Eating the heart of your enemy gave you greater strength. In fact the practice was widespread i believe well into the 20th century until people started geeting sick. Food for thought....
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Oct 30, 2014
Cannibalism persists to this day in New Guinea, Haiti, and parts of Africa. The people in New Guinea get this sort of Mad Cow disease for people.

In Africa albinos are hunted and eaten as some sort of magical power source. Its actually a big problem there. No joke they poached like elephants and their flesh/organs are sold.

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Oct 28, 2014
I had thought the "A"marking was related to restaurant inpections. They put grade in the window to tell you how good the quality is..I thought Gareth has marked them like a restaurant!! LOL!!
Grade for this episode=A
So far S5 has been Five by Five!!
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Oct 28, 2014
I loved this episode because it dealt with the Termites and gave Bob a moving sendoff. "Nightmares end. They shouldn't end you."

Michonne got her sword back too, which is cool.

I was disgusted with Gareth and his merry band of cannibals. The scene at the beginning of the ep where they were ravenously consuming Bob's leg and foot turned me off of meat (for a while) more than anything I've ever seen in my life. I'm glad that they got theirs.

As for Gareth and his non-explanations as to why he and the other Termites became cannibals... yeah, I didn't really get it. Their people suffered horrible things, but so has Rick's, and none of them are cannibals. There was something else at work there, but I'm not sure what it was.

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Oct 30, 2014
It was kind of bittersweet Michonne getting her sword back. Last Ep she talked about how she didn't miss it at all and how it was a symbol of her lost humanity.
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Oct 28, 2014
I think Daryl is with Morgan and I absolutely can't wait to see Beth's story next week!
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Oct 29, 2014
Somebody pointed out on one of the other reviews that the sign we see next to Morgan is covered in more vines than when Rick wrote on it, meaning it was a shot from further into the storyline, and the markings he follows are made by the Gareth clan, so I don't think it will be Morgan with Daryl.
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Oct 28, 2014
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Oct 28, 2014
I was really glad that they didn't dragggg out the Gareth story line any longer since I was already over that character. I was really hoping that Rick would pickup a few of Gareth's fingers and cram them down his throat before he killed him though. I thought that they had already proved that the zombie virus had infected everyone and all you had to do was die to be turned. I didn't think Lori had been bitten and she turned after she died giving birth.
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Oct 28, 2014
You are correct that you will turn if you die, but if you get bitten by a walker, it infects you with a fever that has no cure, and seems to always result in death.
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Oct 28, 2014
I think I would die just from knowing I was bitten, lol. But would eating the infected person cause the fever?
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Oct 29, 2014
I reckon eating infected flesh would be like being bitten itself: the infection spreads, you die and come back.
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Oct 28, 2014
might of been nice for at least one terminus member to die from eating Bob. or if they arrive at the church sick but thinking they still had a shot since mostly the 'weaker' members of the group stayed behind.
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Oct 28, 2014
Another good episode, nice that they threw in the curve ball by killing off the Cannibal gang. I wonder if Rick and his crew will follow the other group to Washington and that will be the main story arc for this season. I think it will be Beth who comes out of the woods with Carol, one of them will be injured getting help from the other. Daryl was looking pretty proud of himself, I don't think he would be that happy if he found Morgan.
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Oct 28, 2014
Despite being a solid episode, I've got to get a long standing gripe out of the way first...ENOUGH WITH THE NINJA ZOMBIES ALREADY!!! Even if you're focused on looking through a night vision scope, there's zero excuse for Sasha to not hear two walkers literally 5 feet away from them. TWD uses this ridiculous ploy time and time and time again and it gets more absurd with every instance. They're like 80's video game soldiers...one second the coast is clear, but if you look away and then look back, they've re-materialized. Just stop it already!

"They were imprisoned by him in the Season 4 finale then they escaped from him in the Season 5 premiere, only to be hunted by him in Episode 2. That right there is the television formula for creating a season-long back-and-forth between two opponents"

It is? While Gareth could have made a great season long big bad and I'm disappointed that he's dead, given the events of the past couple of episodes, I'm not sure anybody should be surprised. Not anybody who isn't basing expectations on the comics that this show only loosely follows.

All but 5 of the Terminus folks are dead and their home destroyed, that right there doesn't make them a huge threat. They're out numbered 2 to 1 with no place from which to defend. Beth is still in the wind, Darryl and Carol are in pursuit, Morgan is lurking and team GI Joe is itching to leave (taking Glenn and Maggie with them...boo! More on that later). There's enough there to indicate that the need for a "big bad" isn't really there.

Getting the band back together and taking the show on the road would do wonders for TWD. There's only so much to be done by hanging around Georgia and by extension, all the "big bads" that might still be there.

"Well, that and the fact that cannibals ate his leg after he'd been bitten by a walker. That's something I would've loved to see play out, but alas, everyone involved died before we could witness any possible consequences of eating "tainted meat." Boo!"

TWD at the best of times has played fast and loose with it's "rules". I'm thinking they didn't let it play out since the writers have absolutely no idea what would happened either. And even if they did, they'd have a hard time fitting it into the "continuity" they've established thus far.

Everybody's infected with the virus...check. The only way to become a zombie is to be bitten or scratched...check. Those two things by themselves are in opposition, but fine. If having open wounds covered in and ingesting zombie blood and guts doesn't turn you, I'm thinking even eating Bob tar tar wouldn't do much. Sure, it would be fun to watch people freak out at the thought, but at this point, I wouldn't see why even eating a full on turned zombie would have any effect.

"However, I'm not sure why adding Glenn and Maggie to the mix worked as leverage for Abraham. He was dead-set on leaving that night without anyone else to help, but then he suddenly decided to stay because Glenn and Maggie promised to go with him 12 hours later? Huh? And would Maggie really be so quick to take off without answers regarding what happened to her sister? I didn't get the reasoning behind any of this."

This was a great episode...right up until this point. I'm thinking the production team should hire a fan of the show (not fanboy) to give each new script a quick objective read before they start filming. This whole exchange could have been corrected after the inevitable "Wait...what?!?". Even by TWD standards, this was nonsensical.

"Yep, Gabriel was a bad, bad priest who locked his congregation out of the church during the early days of the apocalypse."

"OMG! I can't believe that's his back story!"...said nobody, ever. There's got to be more to him than that for me to not be upset that he's the new Bob.

"Gabriel's flock couldn't get into the church, but Gareth's men didn't seem to have a problem!"

Shhh...TWD logic
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Oct 29, 2014
You write "Everybody's infected with the virus...check. The only way to become a zombie is to be bitten or scratched...check." But I think you've misunderstood. The only way to become a zombie is to die, and it does not matter what you die from - a bite, a scratch, a gunshot in the stomach, or the common flu. It's not that a zombie bite will transfer the zombie virus to you, it's that a zombie has so much bacteria that a bite will lead to your death. And it's death that turns you - as I said, no matter what you died from.
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Oct 29, 2014
Correct. I didn't mention flu or gunshots because the cause of death isn't the zombie virus.

And if we're going to apply the Komodo Dragon theory as to why a zombie bite or scratch is fatal, then there's A LOT to explained as to why being covered in zombie blood and guts with a near constant level of open cuts and sores isn't fatal.

Sorry, I'm not buying the bacterial infection notion because if that were true EVERYBODY would have died LONG ago.
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Oct 29, 2014
I agree. People should die also from zombie guts in contact with open wounds since I assume one would get just as much zombie bacteria that way as from a scratch or bite and TWD should have made sure to be more consistent there. It seems they simply haven't thought it through, which is a shame.

However, since I don't want to feel too annoyed while watching, I explain it to myself by reasoning that certain kinds of contact may transfer more bacteria or toxins than other (bites more than gut splashes); maybe some zombies have more kinds of bacteria or toxin than others (older ones are more decayed thus carry more toxins?), maybe some people's immune system is stronger than others etc., which means what might kill person A might not kill person B. It may not be a perfect theory but at least it allows me to feel less annoyed.

Maybe Eugene will be able to tell us more :-)
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Oct 29, 2014
"It seems they simply haven't thought it through, which is a shame."

It really is, because they did in the beginning. The "rules" they'd established worked well...until they decided to break them at will. The same goes here. At list point, the writers would have to sit in a locked room and painstakingly watch every episode to date and try to formulate some sort of explanation that doesn't contradict what's been established up to this point. Not only do I don't think they've got the work ethic for that (they can be pretty lazy) but I don't think they could weave a scientific theory that fits AND is believable.

It's, at the very least, why I think they avoided answering the question of whether or not eating tainted meat will turn you...because I don't think they can.

"However, since I don't want to feel too annoyed while watching, I explain it to myself..."

That's something I know I should probably do, but I've got trouble. I keep making the same mistake over and over again of holding this show to a the higher standard it sets for itself when it's at the top of it's game. It leads to frequent disappointments and you'd think I'd have learned by now. LOL
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Oct 28, 2014
I will not really miss Bob because he really wasn't much of a character. He was the new guy, then he was the new guy who was a drunk, then he was the optimist for a hot minute and then he was dinner. I loved his exit, though. Nice to finally show a bite play out like the early days of the show. Nice to see him laugh at Gareth also. TAINTED MEAT!

Another positive: Rick finally becoming the post-apoc leader that he needs to be, and this episode showed why he was avoiding that as long as he could. He was right, they should have gone to Terminus and wiped them out to keep this from even happening. And he made sure not to make that mistake again. But as Bob & Abraham alluded to... just because you have to be that person to survive now, doesn't mean you won't have to come back down one day. And I think we all know Rick won't be able to fully come back from what he's become. Is he a still a leader who can take people in, like Bob? They did take the Priest in, kinda, though reluctantly.

It seems Carl will eventually develop into the leader of the group and will take the mantle from Rick - it will be interesting to see what type of person Rick is by then, or how he goes out if that's the way the torch is passed. Won't take all that much more development before Carl is ready - he's become very likeable recently.

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Oct 28, 2014
completely new here. Been lurking on TV.com for a while. Love the reviews.

Great episode. Beware of the humans. Walkers are not scary anymore. ;-)

Rick asking Tyreese what it was like for him getting to Terminus. Tyreese: It killed me. And then Rick replying: No it didn't.

I wonder how long Tyreese can keep his 'mild' character.

BTW. English is not my native language. So please forgive any mistakes.
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Oct 28, 2014
I'm still struggling sometimes to just watch the next episode of some shows I'm following. But not with TWD: it is straightforward.
When it's on air, my family has been warned to stay away from the leaving room and leave me in peace for an hour: neither talk nor any noise is allowed close to me. Even my kids (who are forbidden to watch this show anyway) don't call me for anything during that "it's_my_moment_and_if_you_come_in_between_TWD_and_I, you'll_get_into_trouble" moment ...
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Oct 28, 2014
The terminus people eating Bob's leg actually made me feel a bit sick and I'm not an especially squeamish person, but i loved when Bob began to laugh and show them he'd been bitten. I'll miss Bob, I liked his insistence on being optimistic in the face of the end of the world.
I quite liked that Gareth said he knew there was no point in begging Rick to let him live but then a minute or so later proceeded to do so anyway. I also kind of loved Rick saying the only reason they hadn't shot them straight away was because they didn't want to waste the bullets.
I was sad when Bob died and Sasha couldn't bring herself to make sure he didn't turn but it was sweet that Tyreese was there for his sister and did it for her.
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Oct 28, 2014
Gabriel, say hello to a Godless universe where moral conduct is existentially accomplished ...
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Oct 28, 2014
i think the person coming out of the woods with Darryl is Morgan, played by Lennie James
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Oct 29, 2014
Somebody pointed out on one of the other reviews that the sign we see next to Morgan is covered in more vines than when Rick wrote on it, meaning it was a shot from further into the storyline, and the markings he follows are made by the Gareth clan, so I don't think it will be Morgan with Daryl.
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Oct 28, 2014
I really hope you're right
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Oct 28, 2014
me too !
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Oct 28, 2014
Whoever is with Darryl is not good if the look on his face is anything to go by. He's worried about something.
Also i think Abraham wanted Maggie and Glen not only so Rick will follow but to have more muscle to protect Eugene.
"Tainted meat, ya eating tainted meat" was quite amusing. And Eugene "I don't want to"..... :)
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Oct 28, 2014
If Abraham wanted more muscle to protect Eugene, he would have been willing to wait for more than 12 hrs. What difference does 12 or 24 or 36 hrs make when the payoff is that you get the muscle of Rick, Michonne and Daryl?! I would have understood if Abraham would have chosen to leave without them once it turns out they are going to go look for Beth before continuing to DC. But Abraham knew nothing of that possibility. He really decided to leave without that very, very strong group that would have provided much better protection than Glen and Maggie will be able to just to gain a few hours. I don't get it.
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Oct 28, 2014
i think he is just obsessed with his 'mission' and in a hell of a rush. Also maybe wanted to leave asap cos he was panicking over cannibals, he did get caught, prob not used to that! Ideally i think he would want them all but willing for anyone to help but he should of waited.
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Oct 28, 2014
If Abraham really wanted to make sure Rick would follow, he would've taken Carol with him: waiting for her is the only reason Rick would stay put, it stands to reason that follow her would be the only reason Rick would go.
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Oct 28, 2014
Any chance the character of Rosita can provide something meaningful to this series?

She has barely spoken a word during her whole time on the show, adds nothing and while I know her outfit is copied from the comics it's such a stupid look as is the wife beater on Abraham.

Time to move on.
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Oct 28, 2014
She will be another T Dog or Bob, some one who is on the edge of the crowd who can be killed for some dramatic impact.
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Oct 28, 2014
She is different in the Comics and a cause for a love triangle. Would the writers of the show do something about this? probably not, because they have taken many liberties from the comics so far (though the last two episodes have been closet to the comics).
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Oct 28, 2014
Supposedly they are going to show Abraham backstory this season, so that probably will include her backstory as well. Once they show that episode and give her a little screen time, then they will kill her off.
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Oct 28, 2014
Maybe. Maybe not. Will they tell the story about the "genius" Eugene? They are all tied together ;)
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Oct 29, 2014
I don't read the comics but have read/heard about some of the story. I read too many potential "spoilers" for this show, so I am trying to stop doing that--lol! I am sure that Eugene's story will come to light at some point this season. I'm not keen on his character and really don't care if something bad happens to him.
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Oct 28, 2014
I foresee her dying before they do much with the character, remember, every zombie thing needs it's fodder.
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Oct 28, 2014
I have a feeling Rosita will not last long. She really has not added anything so far. I'm sure that is frustrating for her as an actor.
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Oct 28, 2014
I think there are ppl in the woods, I think Daryl and Carole followed the car and when they save Beth they end up saving multiple people/teens. Looks like she is in an asylum or something like that.
I'd say the next ep is honing to go back and tell us what's been going on with Beth since she left Daryl and is going to end with Daryl saving her. Not sure if Carole will survive tho, feels like she's ready to sacrifice herself:( they haven't killed off an original character in a while so I think she will die even though I love her and Daryl together.

Beth is coming back into it jus as Maggie is leaving the group so I think the first half of the season is of them trying to catch up to Maggie. I'd say something will get in the way of Maggie's group and they will take a different route to Washington.

As for Abraham he weighed his options, either three of them go into the woods in the middle of the night with cannibals or wait 12 hrs and add three more to his group...

The terminus ppl have been marking the trees with those X's and Morgan is following the trail so I'd say he will show up in ep 5 after Beth comes back.
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Oct 28, 2014
Pay Attention people. Beth has been discussed at the beginning of EP#,s 1 & 2.
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Oct 28, 2014
In regards to who was with Daryle... The obvious choice for me would be Morgan but who knows?
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Oct 28, 2014
However, I'm not sure why adding Glenn and Maggie to the mix worked as leverage for Abraham. He was dead-set on leaving that night without anyone else to help, but then he suddenly decided to stay because Glenn and Maggie promised to go with him 12 hours later?

Because Abraham wants Rick. Taking members of Ricks group is a way to make sure that Rick follows them to Washington. Plus he already knew Glen and Tara, and also knew for damn sure that none of the other members of Ricks tribe were gonna follow him.
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Oct 28, 2014
Abraham wanted Glenn because they made a deal last season they would wait until Glenn would find Maggie to go to Washington. And Tara kept her end of the deal.

Once Glenn told him to wait 12 hours and they would leave. Abraham just claimed the other 2 people that were supposed to go with him anyway.
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Oct 28, 2014
I liked this episode but I am still not comfortable with killing unarmed people even when they truly deserve it. Besides, I wanted to know if they turned for eating the leg, even after cooking.
Also, the logic for women tasting better makes sense :-)
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Nov 01, 2014
I don't think you would survive a zombie apocalypse:-)
Rick was smart not to waste bullets!
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Oct 28, 2014
Good thing Garreth gang was heavily armed then.

Personally, I'm not going to justify a slaughter only because it's Rick: he crossed a line. Sasha did too. And so did Michonne & Abraham. I don't have to like it, I just have to accept it.

They did this, it happened. And I'll never forget it.
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Oct 28, 2014
Witnessing the deaths of 4 innocent men at Terminus; narrowly escaping the same fate; having a member of your family kidnapped and snacked on then having your tormentors come back for the rest of your family - that's more than enough justification for me.
Gareth and his people were broken, beyond redemption. Like the governor, like Lizzie, they needed to be put down. Yeah it was slap in the face brutal, but it had to be done to save other innocents out there.
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Oct 28, 2014
That's the point: it didn't. Rick didn't have to destroy his fingers nor put a machete through his face.

Abraham didn't have to beat the other to dead, Sasha didn't have to gut the man that Michonne wasn't butchering.

One thing is to exact revenge, but they enjoyed a slaughter.

These weren't socipaths, their refuge was destroyed, the walkers could've finished them in the morning if they didn't want to waste any bullets, but Rick and Sasha didn't want to waste blood.

And I'm not going to to justify it just because it's them.
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Oct 29, 2014
Oh, I don't think any of them enjoyed it. Like crash posted below, Sasha's face said it all. It was one of those things that had to be done and they got busy doing it. Quicker the better, vengeance for all those innocent survivors who fell for the salvation @ Terminus ruse and became dinner.
But I digress, I'm not asking you to justify it, I'm just saying I could and I would do the exact same thing in Rick's shoes.
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Oct 28, 2014
I think that Sasha had a little turnaround at the end of their slaughter of Gareth's group. She had an "Oh god, what have I done?" look on her face.
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Oct 28, 2014
They were not armed at the moment of their deaths.
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Oct 28, 2014
As Rick explicitly stated, Gareth would have eaten other groups/families/innocent people if given the chance. He & his group were extremely dangerous people who had long lost their humanity; in a world that no longer has police and justice systems, it would have been morally irresponsible for Rick & the others to let these people go. You can be disgusted by Rick's brutality, but remember -- you're judging from the convenience of your cozy living room, in a relatively civil society. The Walking Dead world is an absolute sh!thole, and most people have become depraved animals who'll do anything to survive. Armed or not, Gareth needed to be eliminated.
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Oct 28, 2014
I am not sure what I would have done, perhaps the same. I just said I am not comfortable watching them doing it.
I think (but again, I am not sure what I would do in that situation) that perhaps I would have confronted him in a battle, not inside the church. A fair combat. It was not a matter of what they deserved (being thrown unarmed in the middle of a swarm of walkers probably) but what I would be willing to do and what example I would set.
I wouldn't forgive them, what Tyreese suggested to Sasha was just too much but killing them in cold blood is a little too much (but good for the show's sake, that is for sure).
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Oct 28, 2014
Only because they got cocky and were overran: they were heavily armed as they stepped into that church and they were going to kill somebody.

Now, that doesn't make what Rick did any better - or Sasha, or Michonne, or Abraham - but it doesn't victimize Garreth or his gang either.
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Oct 28, 2014
@Copioli Though I disagree, I take your point. But what would you have done in that situation? Knowing what they'd done, what they were clearly only too happy to carry on doing, knowing what they could do to women and children if you let them go? No redemption/mercy for them in my book.
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Oct 28, 2014
I absolutely agree.

@Copioli:
What should they have done? Wait for the police? Tie them up and leave them to die?
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Oct 28, 2014
For me, it makes a big difference, the difference between self defense and cold blooded murder actually.
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Oct 28, 2014
Rick has to be the baddest ass on tv right now or even ever. He'd give dirty harry a run for his money.....Go Rick!!
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Oct 28, 2014
Carol is.
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Oct 28, 2014
true, Carol rocks, but still wouldn't want to be on the other side of Ricks death stare!
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Oct 28, 2014
And I thought Rick was adamant for Abraham not to leave Carol because he had already left her himself last season.
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Oct 28, 2014
I thought the "A" was for grade-A meat!
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Oct 28, 2014
Man, Gareth is no George Patton or William T. Sherman is he? Watch an armed party leave the church, including most of the strongest and best fighters, leaving among others a baby and a 13 year old boy, then enter the church to intimidate those left, and don't even think about putting a rear guard at the church door, just in case, it might be a trap! Duh!
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Oct 28, 2014
Good thing Abraham is, for he remembered Glenn told him he would help after he would find Maggie last season. He found Maggie, now Abraham can claim for his help and Tara's.
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Oct 28, 2014
I'm taken aback with this show. I had lost all hopes with The Walking Dead since Season 3 (the Governor and The War That Did Not Happen) but I kept on watching it anyway (because, I must give it to them: the first and the last episodes of each season are always worth it).
Now, what a surprise, three episodes in a row with (relatively) great development. I was also expecting them to prolong this cat and mouse chase between Rick and Gareth for this whole season... but no, they told the story and they MOVED ON. Something's really changed there and I love it!
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Oct 28, 2014
I'll bet next week is a full flashback hour of Beth, yayyy!!! And we probably won't know who Daryl has with him in the woods till they cut back to the big reveal at the end of the episode.
Nice to see Michonne reunited with her katana again - she should give it a name if she hasn't by now.
Yeah, very strange that Maggie hasn't said a single thing about her missing sister.
And as he can't exactly call in advance, I would think Daryl isn't being subtle trampling through the woods 'cos he wants to let the gang know he's back.
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Oct 28, 2014
Morgan or Beth. I'm so very happy Gareth is gone, I was bored with him after episode one.
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Oct 28, 2014
I reckon it could be someone from an earlier season. Probably Morgan, but it could be someone like Morales and/or his wife. It could also be some new character but would they do all that "cliffhangerizm" just for a new character?
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Oct 28, 2014
I think it's unlikely to be Morgan. He and Daryl never met before, and given his state of mind last time we saw him, I'd be surprised if he'd survive an encounter with Daryl.
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Oct 28, 2014
Au contraire, I can see him and Daryl each getting the drop on the other and the stand off ends when Morgan tells him that he knows Rick! "Oh yeah, come with me and prove you know Rick Grimes!"
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Oct 28, 2014
Oh sure. Everyone in Georgia knows who Rick Grimes is...
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Oct 27, 2014
Does Maggie know Beth is alive at all? I can't exactly remember how their departure went last season, but maybe she just assumed Beth is dead and nobody has told her otherwise? Daryl could feel guilty and not want to bring it up. "Oh yeah, Beth totally made it out. But then she got kidnapped and could be dead for all we know." Even then, it's still weird she hasn't shown more emotion about it. Even if she doesn't know, you'd think she'd be sad that her sister is apparently dead. I honestly forgot the two were even sisters until it was brought up on here, that's how little concern she's showing.
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Oct 28, 2014
To be honest, I'm more concerned about Rick not pushing Tyreese further to reveal what happened on their way to Terminus, especially after he saw him with Judith.
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Oct 28, 2014
Ty's not ready to talk about it. I'm sure Rick senses that. No point in pushing for details. He probably expects Tyrese will talk when he's ready. Really, if anyone can relate to going through too much shit too quickly, it's Rick.
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Oct 28, 2014
Carol's gone after Rick asked her if she'll have him them, at the very least he should be curious as to whether it'll be worth waiting for her. And Tyreese is the only one who has that information.

Rick doesn't even know if Carol told him about Karen & David, the only people Tyreese talked about it were Daryl & Maggie and they have both left.

Tyreese himself doesn't talk about Lizzie & Mika, so Rick has no idea whether Carol blames him for the prison, the last time Rick ever saw those little girls.

For all he knows, Carol has no reason to go back now that Judith & Tyreese are among relatives, and Rick is waiting for a person that may never return.
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Oct 28, 2014
Rick and Carol have always had an unspoken understanding ever since the grenade scene from season 1; it's why she only had to look at him to know Lori was dead and why she only had to look at him to know Daryl stayed with Merle on season 3.

That doesn't mean she'll come back only because Rick wants it to, or that Carol expects him to want it to now that Judith is safe with him.
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Oct 28, 2014
I don't know, I think they have an unspoken understanding now. I think Carol just needs time alone because of the whole Lizzie thing. That was really hard on her because those girls were like her daughters after she lost Sophia. She's probably afraid of losing anyone else, so she wants to put some distance--both figurative and literal--between her and the people she cares about. I don't know, that's how I'm interpreting things right now.

And I don't think Daryl would just leave without saying anything. Yeah, Carol's like his number one person, but he wouldn't ditch Little Ass Kicker. At the very least, I think he'd confront Rick if he had a problem with how he handled Carol murdering Karen and David.
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Oct 28, 2014
Daryl is another thing: How can Rick tell Caroll will come back if Daryl is not with them? For all he knows Daryl didn't like what Rick did when he left Carol: they had no time to talk once the Governor hit.

Even if Daryl comes back: How can Rick tell he's reason enough for Carol to stay if Tyreese and Judith are not.

Carol may be only person left in this world that comes from the same place as Rick does, but she has no idea and he hasn't bother to tell her.
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Oct 28, 2014
I think he believes that Carol and Daryl wouldn't just leave without saying anything, and if Ty thought that Carol had just bailed, I'd hope he'd pull his head out of his ass long enough to say "Hey Rick, I don't think she's coming back because bad shit happened and she said she wanted to be on her own right before we found you."

Even then, I think Rick might wait or at the very least go searching for her. He doesn't abandon his people, and Carol is once again his people.
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Oct 28, 2014
I'm pretty sure Daryl did describe how Beth got taken at some point. I'm sure Maggie would've asked.
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Oct 27, 2014
TWD managed to keep the intensity still, proven by all the gore and suspense with a pinch of poignancy of one having half his leg eaten, then dying from being bitten and brain pierced to stop him from turning, post. The threat from a thinking scheming Gareth was probably more relevant than fending off the brain dead zombies since both will eat you alive, but way more agonising and slower with the former. Killing Gareth and his pack was definitely cathartic but now that the water is boiled, it's time to make tea and sip in the slower pace hereon. Hopefully NOT too slow. Maggie and Glenn wanting to leave for DC puzzles me. Huh? Really? And the end was abrupt but effective with Daryl announcing "someone" else. If it's not Carol, then seriously, WTF?
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Oct 27, 2014
They are not very good at sneaking stealthy-like through the woods, are they? We've seen it before, and this time, it was Daryl of all people. This guy hunts animals with a crossbow for a living, but sounds like an elefant walking on bubblewrap, when he tip-toes through the bushes.....just lol
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Nov 01, 2014
Daryl's lack of stealth would have most jumpy people attacking/shooting him before he could clearly identify himself. But then again, Michonne heading towards the noise in the blind of the wood's cover could have the same consequences for her.
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Oct 27, 2014
yett zombie do not make noise in forest and they always get suprises,... lol
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Oct 27, 2014
Ugh I loved to hate Gareth and I cheered when Rick and Co slaughtered them. This show makes me question my humanity and I love this. What a great season it's been so far.
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Oct 27, 2014
Michonne has her sword back, good times ahead!

I'm so glad that the Terminus bunch is done with. I wasn't looking forward to seeing their flashbacks. But it did surprise me because I thought, like Tim, that they were gonna stick around for a while.


"Where does season 5 go from here?" Season 5 is going to Washington!

What do you think happens if you eat "tainted meat"? I don't care because I don't intend to experiment with that and neither is anyone in the group so it's not really a topic worth exploring and I'm glad it wasn't.

Awesome episode all around.


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Oct 28, 2014
I just think its the same thing as eating infected meat: Garreth and Co. were dead anyway.
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